Development Review Committee - Regular Meeting

All right. Thank you. If you go back to the plot, I go here.

Oh, it's over there.

Well, that one's fine.

Okay.

I'll try to get, go back to the site plan, I guess.

Yes.

I was curious, why do you have two driveway accesses to the front track?

Okay. All right, sorry, I didn't realize I didn't have this on before. Hi, Paul.

So you had a question on this almost impossible to read thing? Yes, if you go to the site plan that shows the driveways, The driveways, can you switch it to the one that shows the driveways? Yeah, right there. What's the purpose of having the track B have two driveways that are entering into that house? You mean this back driveway? I guess what's that? What's the reason I have the one that's on the northeast side? That one? Yeah.

Because that's probably the more accessible one. This is on a road. that is existing, but it's not, it's unclear. It's a plotted road, but it's not plotted to the right size from way back when. So Snapper Creek Road, which also has the name Banyan Road. And interestingly enough, the city just put one of their stone markers there since we started this project that had never existed there before. So the road, the pavement of the road adjacent to this property is 16 feet. And so part of that road is actually owned by the South Florida Water Management District and is part of a South Florida Water Management District easement.

Where would that track be in France?

Where will what?

Where will track B, where is the front for track B?

The front of track B is going to be that little piece in front of, it'll require a variance from the platting, but it'll be in the front on the Arbor Lane.

So then it's a flag lot.

It's a flag lot. That is correct.

And we don't allow flag lots.

Well, you can get a variance from a flag lot, for a flag lot. There are several down in this area from Way back when days. This is. The West side is part of the.

Road that is coming from the North. There's a road away road about 500 feet North. But in our side is we are.

What do we have to talk to to figure out if that's access from here or not?

No.

What about?

Who do we talk to to figure out if we can have this access or not?

Well, this access has been existing since 1937 and I don't know at what point the apron was built in here, but it's been a dirt road because in the original, there was one driveway to both houses. So they had one driveway that came here and then split going to one and to the other house. But over here, if you look at here, this is only 16 feet, the paved driveway up.

So I guess because it has never been plotted and that north side was plotted, they dedicated their own right-of-ways. So you might have to dedicate your own and cut a piece for a right-of-way there for you to have access.

Well, there is access. I mean, it's here. It's just that you can't make it any this way because...

I know, but if you plot, then you have to make some dedications for right-of-way access.

Well, it has right-of-way. The street comes... Yeah, the street comes down here. There is a street. There comes a flag loft. Right, right. Which is to preserve the two structures, right? But I mean, coming in through here, this is a dead end. A dead end's right here. A dead end's at the end of the property. There is actually some sort of... barricade that exists right over here. So these properties, this property here, they face inside and they actually have a piece of road. This Snapper Creek Road came up two plots north, but it was before Snapper Creek Canal and Snapper Creek.

So you cannot grade a lot that does not have a street frontage.

But if it's already there to access, why don't you just keep the access there?

Right, and just make this the front of the lot? The city would be okay with that? I mean, people use it. These people can't because they back up to it and they're closed off. But the next one here? Yeah.

Chime in on this on the front. This is Herbert Brito. I'm actually a personal friend of Raphael's. Also an architectural historian. Over here, this was the original driveway into the houses right from here. The water meter is there, the mailbox is there, the trash pickup is there. That's the original. What happens if you look carefully at this, This when you walked in here, you have these pylons here and pylons there. So there was a natural fork here. So this house went to park here. That house went to park here. So this is access has always been historically. This is kind of a secondary, because this, for the longest time, was not plated. The reason this was done was to have access to the bridge that once stood right here. That was gone, I think, World War II. But there was a bridge there, so that was a quicker approach, and hence the rationale for this particular dirt driveway. Okay. So in keeping, in drawing the two plots and supposedly building sites, we were mindful that this was the original driveway to the properties, but we kept this also as well for historical reasons and perhaps a back road.

Yeah, yeah.

If I may, Paul Rodas with Public Works. So you're aware the canal right-of-way is reserved for canal, and yes, historically people have been using that roadway as an access, and they've continued to use it, but it's not reserved for that purpose. And if the canal, for some reason, has to be widened, improved, the embankments failed, the right-of-way keepers of that canal have no reason no requirement to maintain that pathway. And the city doesn't have rights to rebuild or improve that road. We may have paved it. It sounds like we put monuments on there.

Recently put a monument.

We may get told to remove it because we don't have a right to put it there.

I also put it on the west side. I believe it. We didn't request a monument, so.

I believe it. The folks that work in that part of roadway don't typically get involved in looking which right-of-way they're on. They're saying, it's a city, it's a road. It's actually not a road. It's a small maintenance path. So that's some of the things to take into consideration and why you have to select.

That is, I think there are two houses here and then it's a plot, like two plots north of us, so two subdivisions north. They actually plotted this road.

I believe they showed it as a feature.

It was one of those things that just...

Exactly. For convenience, it was used for that purpose. It's just that You could say historically, but the canal keepers don't necessarily need to maintain it. And if they order it removed, it'll be removed. But of course, it's going to impact a lot of properties. So some of the things when you're replatting now is the consideration, say, all right, you are trying to design the new lots so that they can accommodate access from an actual roadway right away.

Yes, but both of them are coming in from Arbor Lane as was originally. If you look at the plot there, the secondary dirt driveway, It's just there as a, that's fine. That's fine.

So long as it's in use, I'm sure the property owners can continue to enjoy it. But just the realization is that's, that's why I've seen you made the effort to create the lots to access Arbor. And that probably helps give some perspective for planning and zoning on their comments.

Yeah, that Arbor Lane is a cul-de-sac right there. And really, I don't think we need a variance. We're going right through the sway of public land.

No, the variance is for the shape of the lot. You need a street frontage to create a new lot, right?

That was told at Arbor Lane.

Remember, the right-of-way is more than just the paved road. The right-of-way goes to the property. Look at what they're creating.

Right. And also, but keep in mind that these are historic houses. And you sort of have a higher level, but at the same time could be a more lean level of the street. Because one of the things you don't want to lose is the sense of place, sense of time and place for these two properties.

See, this is to give you an idea. This is Snapper Creek Lake subdivision. And this is the first edition. Snapper Creek already existed, but this is the property, the subject property.

And you see these two homes. What does it say on the other end? Like on the canals on the west side, what does it say? Because this is essentially the one that goes right here, right? Because that's where they're usually placed now.

Isn't it, Dean? I can hear it.

That is dedicated, they dedicated this area when they created this plot, along with all this.

This is already dedicated. This is part of most.

The one that's dedicated, Laura.

The Snapper Creek Canal Easement D. I'm going to bet, I don't know if it was created in 1958. We know when the easement,

The one that's dedicated is the property north of that one.

North of this. So this subdivision here is the one that created and flat it's snapper.

So they dedicated something there.

Yeah. Take a look and see if you're right. Yes.

50 feet, I think it looks like.

Yeah, 50.

That's why they have this.

Yeah. And then this one, because they're not accessing it from here. This is the right of way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is this is where they're coming in. They're not accessing it there.

Right. As a matter of fact, that that corner is fenced in with the property sets this this corner. Yes.

okay but i can read it palm drive is 50 feet and that's part of the plot and then it shows apricot canal correct at 40 feet this is it was reduced it was reduced from 100 and uh from 97 to 40 feet to allow this right away to allow this um and then this shows red road but it's missing the The canal. Because this was done when? This was before the canal?

No, the canal's there. 49? Snapper Creek Canal.

Yeah. So the road that we're calling Snapper Creek Road is Palm Drive. On this plot, and this plot is right there.

Right, the road stops there. They blow it up at the dead end.

It'll be interesting to know what this easement is.

Maintenance easement. Maintenance easement for the canal.

It's a maintenance easement for the canal.

It's a maintenance easement. But right now it's going to stop? Right away, it's like 100 feet all the way across the canal.

Well, the canal's over here. So from here to here.

To the next roadway on the south.

Which is Red Road.

Right, right. Is that wrong? They just repaved it, so it's fresh paved now. And these properties down here, it's the rear of their properties. They'll have the same fences.

Yeah. They do have gates. Dead ends too, right? Dead ends right here.

Dead ends. There's another property that backs up and a dead end right there.

Just south of our property. I'm trying to figure out a way to make it into two normal rectangles.

Rectangles, right.

That's my intent here. Yeah.

Right. Right, right. Because it's not real access. Right. And you don't have, and like Paul said, it's controlled. It's not a right-of-way. It's controlled by South Florida Water Management, the division of Snapper Creek Canal.

And even if they do give some land for a right-of-way for dedication.

It's subject to.

So this issue, just north of them.

Well, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know that Snapper Creek would say.

If this was north of you, that'd be great. Right, right.

Not so yeah there's not there's not enough there's not enough room literally the back of those properties it's only like 10 to 10 to me.

And they get with a lot of payment here yeah be. Connected to this right, so the right away, we asked for a right away for our blog it should be for this law that Jason this one in order to come from right yeah I understand this property right.

Again, that's the attendance. That could be a secondary access. Yeah. Let's try to come in. Barbara Lane.

Yeah, I'm just trying to avoid variances with cats. And yeah, no, I know.

Yeah, took part of what in this year. They have a built along. So they, they have the snapper creepy Smith, but I love that.

Yeah.

Right. That Eastman's been what?

Fenced in.

Yes, it's been fenced in.

And it's been fenced in a while.

So you see here, they have a fence here. And that's where the Eastman starts. Because the canal isn't right there. I mean, the canal is.

Yeah, yeah, further away.

But this is part of their plot.

But they have 40 feet. So it must be for maintenance.

For maintenance that they can't build in that 40 feet.

That's 40 feet.

So let me ask you so I can tell the property owner. So in effect, you know, what I'm hearing is that you'd like to have to evenly shape or equally shape a rectangular lot. That being the case, what does it take for the city to approve this as the access from Banyan Drive?

It's not a real road. I don't think the city can.

So what can we do? Can we get a prescriptive easement from the canal folks?

Or can we do?

There are no house fronts that street. No, not really.

No, there's a side. There's a side like these people here, the side fronts, but not the next lot up is extremely large.

Yeah, very large. And they just basically go all the way up. They're going to read the property.

The property. You need to go to that. We need to. We have to go to the property.

There's walls in the back and there's gates and they're locked. And there's pedestrian and vehicle access.

It's three houses and then the stop sign.

So, you know, nobody runs off of that.

I mean, normally you would not want a flag lot, but this is, you know, an unusual situation because you don't have actual access. I mean, I guess the, hmm?

That it turns into something Benning Drive stops, and then it turns into something like Fred's Pack. Fred's Pack? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Oh, I think that's it. Right, right, that's it. Or it turns into a real dirt pile.

Yes, it is unpaved at that point, yeah.

It's called Fred's Pack. It's because all the other houses face closed. Yeah.

Fred Pucero was the Fred guy. Yes.

I mean, the alternative would be to not have a frontage, not create a flag lot, and then do an easement. But an ingress and egress easement for this lot to come through the, you know, the...

Right. And then there's no frontage at all.

Well, so it needs a variance A or B, either a flag lot variance or a no frontage variance. Okay.

Okay, but speaking of that, this lot here has no street frontage either.

Yeah, they would still front this.

Well, but it's not a street. Yeah, so you call it that's the frontage there. That's always been there.

Yes, that's what happened because they did not plot it back in 1939.

Because they were part of the county. They weren't part of the city. This was annexed in 96.

2007.

And now that you want to plot it, you're locked in. Yeah. Because there prohibits you from having that access there. And this really was only dedicated for these people.

Except it's dedicated as a public road. Once something's dedicated as a public road, everyone has an access to it.

But they probably did not anticipate there's something left on the Sahara.

This predates all this stuff. I know, I know. Snapper Creek, the one you're talking about, was plotted in 1958. So it's at least 20-some years after the...

So they could have asked him to be a part of it, but maybe they didn't want him.

The code language has to face a right-of-way or a street. These faces treat.

We're not right-of-way.

So maybe going back to the market, it's just gone up.

Yeah.

So why would the marker go off?

It's probably just somebody at Polyworks just put it down.

And then they were like, oh, this is missing.

Maybe the fire department.

Earlier on, like up higher, because you do come in through Banyan Trail, but at some point it ends, right? And then it continues and someone has continued to pave it, but it's not a road after here. It's not a road after Palm Vista.

Well, this is there.

No, it's there, but it's not a legal route. It's not a right of way that the city can say, as Paul said, South Florida Water Management. How do they get bail?

Right here. At the mailbox. Both properties, the mailbox.

At the mailing address. Correct. Snapper Creek Road. And they get the lease. Yeah.

You can go either way.

I'm like, they're getting mailed through Arbor.

Yeah, how do the police get there for response?

They're getting mailed through Arbor Lane with an address that says San Francisco Road.

Right. Well, how do they get there, fire, if they call someone for help?

You wouldn't go through there, right? You'd go through here. Right.

Then we go through the water treatment road. Right. I mean, that's the thing right now that's at any point snapper Creek, the South Florida water management can say we need to control water and stuff. We're going to do the canal, we're gonna wipe the canal.

So you can't build a road where it's part of their easement. Is it because they because now that I'm sorry, they did it.

That's why they did it gave that part of their land to be right away.

And do it because you have to get everybody in the back to dedicate the

And yeah, because they already know.

Yeah. So it sounds like we need either a variance for frontage. Obviously, the intent is, either way, we need to get the RV lane, this is going to be secondary access. So we're gonna need a variance for frontage. Reduction is decreasing in the nonconformity. That's how you want to interpret it. Any ideas to give them each a driveway? There are other options to get rid of this. Just do this, but then we don't have frontage at all. So this way, you at least got frontage.

Yeah, it just looks awkward.

It's a unique situation because it's been around since the 1930s. You know, this developed, and you know, if somebody... Obviously, there was no homes here. So the homes were over here, so they never thought, well, let's just make the right-of-way come over here. They never thought about that.

Based off of the way that the land, and it's not, like, it seems like it's always been used.

Yeah, because they never thought about, if there would have been a home here, they would have probably put this roadway, the Arbor Lane would have probably, this house had been done in addition this way.

Right.

Well, we're losing sight that this was not, Coral Gate was where the houses were built. This was way out in the building.

Yeah, right.

And, you know, very eccentric couple. The son was a violin maker. He was an ironmonger, and he was one of the first employees of the Pan Am tournament. So it was kind of a renaissance. You know.

I know. Where'd you find this guy?

This is how he does. A historian. An architectural historian.

The parents were very good friends of a girl that she encouraged them to buy that frog.

So there's iron working on it?

Yeah, the original, the original, the ground floor was used as the iron work. So now it's a hard work.

Before you weren't allowed to work from home. Now you're not.

No, we're preemptive factors.

What's the... Well, back to this.

This driveway has served... So the idea was to try to split the driveway. No, it wouldn't get to the property and then split.

One car has to go through the other property down to get... I mean, it's a matter of...

Would you do 25 feet or 60 feet?

So the question is, what do you avoid the most? I don't know. Various, right? 75?

No, I think everything I think was.

early on it was the father and the son right but i think more so that it was yeah it wasn't right that's what i'm saying

But where does this property start? It's this dimension right here. No, it's not. Oh, there are lots ends here? Yeah.

Yeah, see, there are a lot ends like this.

The house is way back here. There's a lot of land. But that's why I think this particular drawing you end up pretty much with this . These are the walls are historic?

This is the Madison wall right here. It goes all the way to .

Why in that though, right?

Yeah, well, the whole idea is already down. There are two pylons.

How wide is this and this and here?

Probably about 100 feet. A whole lot is 425.

Yeah, but there's opening that they have for the access lane.

This is actually the opening. Actually, this is the opening. And right here, there are two pylons. And there was an old gate that the son had designed, iron gate that's still hanging there.

So that's the existing opening.

And so in doing that double access, I use exactly that what I'm saying to touch the Madison wall.

But mine is the frontage on the street bar line, the lot itself, not just the driveway.

It was not built, it was promulgated. I mean, wiring and so on.

Because we are plotting it now.

Right, but why did it? historic house, it's grandfathered into not having street trucks. So, historic and grandparents is so, you know. Yeah, they can do that. I mean, the intent was to put both houses under the same ownership. To preserve the compound. Instead of having someone build the McMansion.

So that was the intent. You know, obviously you don't want to impact this wall. So whatever that dimension is, that's 30 or whatever, you know, and the frontage is required 50. So it's a variance of 20 foot per frontage.

So is these three houses gonna be one single family home?

One kitchen? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is this remaining?

Is that a historic home?

Yes, that wall is a very old wall, but all the pylons will remain. And these are right here. And so what we're doing is actually creating You know, the passageway through the forest. And then you see the out of the house. That's where, you know, it takes place.

And now? I'm reacting to the walls going, with the property line going right through the wall.

No, no, there's no wall here. It's two layers of brick. It's not a wall. I don't know. It's not a wall. It's a car stop. What is it? You know, maybe it shows like not an area.

Wow.

Okay, correct. I did this. Yeah, it was my stop.

Yeah, that's fine.

So just trying to get this resolved. So go for a variance. And basically, this will be the front edge.

Oh, yeah.

And so, 50 is the frontage or whatever this dimension is. So if it's a 20 foot variance or 25 foot variance, then keep the configuration of this lot. You okay with that? And then this is obviously a secondary .

I thought there is no variance allowed for lot configuration.

Plants allow, I mean, the planting and sowing can grant variances for plants.

There's nothing in the code about a flat lot, so I do a search. I think it's an Article 1.

That's why, like, when we're talking about, like, building sites and stuff, they can't apply for any variances. I just have...

There are already two static building sites.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. So this one is not establishing a building site. This is reconfiguration of the building sites. Right?

A lot of times. A lot. Right, of course. Reconfiguration of the lots. That's why we're doing an anti-flat and eventually a para-flat. And the point that it's a historical, it doesn't require the salvage.

I mean, obviously, it's a unique plot.

Yes, right.

I mean, in terms of the lots, there's no weather in the general geographic area that are that 445 feet in length.

Yeah, and also, there's very, very few Florida vernacular land right properties in Paul Gable.

You have to determine where this lot ends.

Right here. Right there? Yeah, right there.

And then from there to your opening, like what that is.

Yeah. This is the dimension right here. This is clear.

No, it's about .

This represents, OK, it's right there. That's where it is. That's where it is. The property, we have about five, six between the pylon to the property. So let me ask you this.

What if we OK with, again, I'm just throwing this out here, going down here and then giving it 50 feet, whatever this point is to when we get to 50 feet, you're OK with that? In other words, we extend this.

I want to go ahead.

I think we're losing track.

This is to 425. So it's to 12.

Yeah, this is about 50 feet. So then we have 50 feet for 50 foot front. We don't need to go for a variance.

But why are we doing the 50-foot frontage? It was never here. It doesn't matter.

Whatever we're on a platform, we call it another burnable. There's no grandfathering.

Well, there is. You can actually look at the historical background. And what's important to maintain a sense of time and place. We're obliterating that. And I know at the National Register, they would actually bend over backward for something like this. So the goal is to keep the two houses, historical houses, and we have a known, who is very sensitive, who has owned several coral rock houses in the city, has gotten awards for them, and has Oman toured, and they want to go ahead and preserve that.

I mean, I think the other thing, too, is that when we had initially met a while back, was that because it was never platted, there was a discussion that it would need to be platted, right? So even if you platted it in the current conditions, they would still need a variance, right? Yes.

But rigid on the variance.

Yes, because unfortunately, you need to still follow the zoning process for those things.

And historic preservation.

So that's why we have a variant process with historic to be able to address some of these issues. But what I'm saying is that some of those conditions are already, they're not ones that are being created. They're ones that already exist. Even if they weren't replanting or reconfiguring the shapes of the lots, it would still require a variance.

Sure.

So I don't really know. I don't think we're going to be able to avoid a variance either way at the end of the day. how we make it so that it works out for public safety and everything else.

We just figured that Paul just helped with the way of putting the 50 and then just for a piece, that piece that's this way for the turn is on the plot, but there could be no fence for that dimension.

So I'm going to extend this a lot. At which point we reach 50 foot here. Whatever that is here. His concern is there's a He doesn't want a wall here. So what we'll do is we'll do an easement, five foot, saying you can't, I don't know, can't do anything on there. No construction.

But he can't put a wall in between the properties.

He said he's okay with an easement prohibiting. That way it's clear they can't put any obstructions.

And it's not a prohibiting property.

Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever that, whatever that is. So that's not a strike that's 50 foot. And then... Another suggestion is, because this is only 20 foot wide, we might need to go to 25 on this for the radius.

Yeah, that's a little bit. Yeah, that's definitely a good question.

Yeah, so 25 and basically, so you satisfy the 50, you get the 25, don't have the radius, but he's happy. No variance at all, though?

No, you'd still have the variance for no further.

No, we would have 50.

We would try to get to 50.

you know at this point where the road right away occurs and whatever that so it'd still be for a flag law so you might there might be a portion of the little wall that may need to be moved and moved over you know so that what is it the map is that wall it's it's actually pearl rock and it's been partially stuccoed over oh that's manipulated yeah it's it's but it's only if we know we have

well there's parts of it that are still where you can tell inside yeah yeah take her yeah go right now picnic the only other option is so let me ask you is 50 feet the minimum absolute minimum street frontage nothing less unfortunately yes 50 feet oh

So you're okay with that? Go to 25, move this down to 50. Remove a little portion of this wall here. We don't need to go for any variance.

Does that change a lot of their plan? Right. I'm saying it's got to make sense for both people, right? The idea was that they were going to remain the same.

If it's 25, they still have 75.

And his additions going this way.

This addition on this slide is going to be larger, a little larger. Right.

So then does that mean that's going to be their front? So when they develop this lot, how does that work?

Hold on, hold on.

Think about when you develop this lot.

So there's seven. This will be the front. This is the way you design it was in front anyway, right?

This, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, is I think 18 feet. So if the other driveway is here, that means we're going to end up with two kind of rhombus lots like that.

No, they're going to notch it.

They're okay with a notch like this.

It's keeping this 25 down. In here. 50 here.

Whatever that is, that's the front. And then we're going to do 25 feet. So that way satisfies.

So the question is, do you want to make this a little bit more to make up? Yeah, yeah.

I think there should be.

So we're going to move this over. Yeah, to make them so they're still. Right, right, right. Yeah.

And one of the things that we can do with the Madison wall is actually the pie. And the wall can continue where there's no wall. We can put a portion of it back there.

And we'll put some limitation saying that there's no structures on the radius.

On the radius so that they can't fence the radius because the public works just wants to make sure. But now that the radius is five more blocks, that makes a difference.

So now where will the house face? The house face here? The new construction. Arbor Lane.

Arbor Lane. Both face Arbor Lane. Which was the intent?

Right, because that's not really a road.

You cannot have a driveway on that west. Where's the complete?

There's another one in the other track.

Or give me that little one, that little mini one right there.

There it is. So that's what I'm saying, that this house.

You don't have to show.

You cannot have a driveway that does not lead to a garage either.

Right.

So that is the garage. The way the way this was designed, the double garage, right? Yeah, it takes a lot to use that.

But I mean, this is not it's not a real I mean, it hasn't been designed, but it was meant so you could put carport here and you can do that. But this is not like, going to be, you know,

I mean, there are two pylons here and here as well with the name of the property, Sunlight Home and Camping.

It's going to be funky when you have three setbacks. I have a picture of that.

Yeah, but he actually designed it. This is a tentative design. That means all the setbacks.

That's with the setback being this front. This is the front. Yeah.

And so the only thing that you do have is this particular house with the 10 foot 8 is not conforming to the front setback.

That's an existing condition. It's another variance.

So then you would line up your house onto where this ends, 25?

Yeah, the house can be, I mean, yeah. That house would be, however.

This is just theoretical, so just to see how much you get.

And then in order to make sure that it'd be a moving house, people will get away with using the route.

But that's not really the problem.

They won't get through the gate. This way.

That's one of them.

So now that you're going to have all these three structures, those need to be unified as just one. Right.

That's exactly it.

But even if they weren't going to be unified, we could do a variance for that.

This is actually the garage down here, caretakers apartment.

and then this is a new pavilion which would be living area on the bottom new pool this becomes a guest house and the forge stays as a gallery these are second floor hyphens to the original entrances it's not real so that way you're going to go under those you know you have and it's set in the back so you still have the relationship of the two houses

Gbeke O' But that has to have a separate process as Gbeke O' Yeah, so Gbeke O' Yeah, so we get through this.

So what you're saying is you find out where that point is Gbeke O' And then go and do

And extra five feet for the turning radius.

And then pick up whatever it is we lost. And you said 25 feet here.

Yes. And where is 50 here? Wherever that ends up being. So wherever this point is right here. Now, wherever this point is that right away goes away from.

Go 50.

Go 50 foot. Wherever that point is right there. Okay. We got it.

Are you sure you can find the driveway for this guy?

Yeah, yeah, this is all correct.

I should ignore the little...

Yeah, that's, again, that's actually the wheel stops too. I just, they're cute because they're like that.

So no, why do you say track A and track B? Why not lot one and lot two? Well, we're going to do that.

That's fine.

Lot one and lot two. Because before they're divided. Ten years from now, I didn't. Lot one and lot two.

I know, right? Lot one, that's easier. It'll come back. Lot one and lot two. Okay, so you're okay with all that?

Do you want us to resubmit it so you can look at it? Oh, of course. Okay. Come back to your seat or just. No, no, no. Okay.

Okay. But I just want to make sure we're all right.

The idea is not that this lot.

Right.

We just have to find a way for them to access. Yeah.

I mean, we'll come up with, obviously we're not going to present something. And if there's any issues, if we're going through the developer, we'll get with you in advance. But, and then the idea is no variances then. Well, these are pre-existing. No, they don't. They have to be French now. The front side doesn't say anything.

It's legally not conforming. As is this one. So they both are legally not conforming because when they have the property line. Now that one actually meets the rear, believe it or not.

And so Paul said he's okay. He said he was the one that made the suggestion about, you know, something preventing any type of destruction on this. raise, but we might not need to do that. So it seems to seem to be okay with it as well.

So is there a way that this line can be perpendicular to this line? It has to be an angle?

No, it can be perpendicular.

This is going to be straight.

It's just going to move over more.

Maybe another 10 feet.

Whatever to make up for the difference. To maintain that. We have five and 81.

So we have to make up 500 feet.

Yeah.

Our 75. So yeah. 7.5 feet. Back down west. Right.

So it'll be perpendicular. Yeah. And then we got it.

Okay. Thank you very much. You got a good time and advice.

Yeah. All different. Do you want to go through the cover?

I appreciate it.

It's called you have police. Yeah. any mature trees that we're gonna be oh yeah yeah they're flagged already yeah yeah they're

Yeah, we're trying to maintain that. They do fall. I mean, the other day, Royal Palm fell. I don't know. Yeah, there's Royal Palm. That's just tall grass. The oak trees are very important. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

What's your false comment? Yeah.

I already commented.

You already commented. Right.

It's a little bit more along to there. And the smoke got darker. Yeah. Do you have comments?

We left you out. We did some readjustment of the turning radius and at the end they have comments on how they're accessing their stuff.

They readjusted that. They're not going to stop there. They won't enter the property.

Yes, yes, you don't want it to get it at the end.

Yeah.

Well, I told him to assume that he can have a firetruck go down snapper three because that's not.

No, no, no. A firetruck. Oh, sure.

A Berlin. Yeah, yeah. That's what makes sure he understands that it's not a right way.

You all.

Yeah, yeah. It's Frank.

All right.

Well, that was fun, guys, for our session.

Yeah. Well, thank you. I think that's it.

Adjourned.

Yeah, you sent me once that, okay, good, I'm gonna go, and then, you know, I'll do zero.