City Council - Regular Meeting

I always figure one of us gets the sickness. It's inevitable. We're going to catch it. But if you're in a school or anywhere, you guys think about it. Oh, my gosh.

When the school's kids went back, I can remember when Jake was little. My kids would bring home snot everywhere.

It's insane.

But they built up good community during that time.

It's tough when teachers, especially in our country, walk in the room and they're just sitting all the time. They don't have room. It's just...

My mom was a kindergarten teacher for 30 years, and she went to work sick a lot.

My mom was in the Seattle School District for 25 years. You know, they had such good sickly agents. They were super low. I mean, if the levees passed, you know, sometimes the levees would fail.

Well, yeah, she was down. Some schools, you know, learn a couple days a month, you know, those are the words you have to say. You know, sometimes I get a little bit of stress. Most of the districts that I worked for, you were just probably 10 days a year. So you really could use them. But some districts, you know, it's more likely to move the building. Yeah. Yeah.

It's insane that they do. It is terrible. Yeah, it is terrible.

But she loves it, yeah. Yeah, see that's the people we go into it, do a stagey boner film in this service piece of it, yeah.

All right. Are we ready to get started? We are doing a public hearing. Is there something for me to read beyond what's on the agenda? No.

That's it. Okay.

Cool. Let me know when you're ready. Oh, by the way, nail polish. I got this before.

And it still works. That's awesome.

It still looks, well, as long as you don't look at all of the space down there, it looks fine.

Yeah.

But I have to get rid of them. I can't put my earrings on. Let's get this started. All right. All right. All right. Well, we didn't know. I'll tell you what it doesn't. And we have everybody else here, in person even.

Should I call out specific names if you want to, or you can just?

Just mention who's missing. Yeah, just already called is absent. It is an excuse absent, if I understand right. So, all right. Appearance of interested citizens.

This is a little yeah.

Are you speaking in both cases, this is a very new. I was in 15 minutes will be doing the right regular budget. OK.

I don't have anybody for her.

OK. We have minutes from the June 16th and the July 21st meeting. The June 5 point police meeting has been amended. It had an incorrect date on it. So if we, I will entertain a motion to approve. So thank you. And a second? Second. All right. We have a motion for Mayor Fife. And a second from Councillor Tycrow. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Oh, I'm in favor too, so no opposed and unanimous. All right. We will now, the Urban Renewal Agency will hold a public hearing to obtain public input on the budget for fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2026, as approved by the Urban Renewal Budget Committee. Oh, do we have anybody scheduled to speak? Okay. Oh, open the, here. At 7.33. Oh, 6.33. Closing at 7.34. 6.34. 6.34, excuse me. Open at 6.33. Closed at 6.34. All right. And... I'm willing to take a motion to adjourn. So, and there's all the way that you don't get them being injured. Well, it's easy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to take a moment to read the book now.

Yeah, yeah. It was having an imaging for the administrative department.

It's called a memorandum that happened in April. Yeah, you know.

Yeah, because that's what the advertisement said.

Yes, and have sold for years, 20 years. And they're adding more. And our business beyond growing up. Because you don't have any jobs. Not just to sell wind.

Actually, in my answer to your question, I have yet to hear any place that is farming and not food or Livestock, what they're doing is putting solar panels up, buying shade for the animals. They're off-site. They're making food.

I wouldn't want to be a catalog of examples.

So are we going to get to the...

It's just... We want to be number one belief, so that's what we're doing. China used to be number one. We're number one. We're now number one. Awesome, aren't you? Yeah. We're happy. We'll get it for a little bit. Yeah. We'll get it for a little bit. Yeah. We'll get it for a little bit. Yeah. All the stars, you know, it's not urgent.

I think I've watched the document or the whole country is is all alternative. They don't want to. Oh, yeah. So that's when they are probably. Yeah. I was a professor. There's this thing I look at.

And it's always about this to not come from citizen.

on YouTube. You can find all kinds of stuff on YouTube. It's better than TV. Exactly. Well, mostly. I mean, even the little ads are shorter than regular commercials. I don't know. I don't know. Well, I wouldn't worry too much about it if she's my neighbor. Please don't worry about it. Yeah, there's some sort of extra shenanigans. Yeah. All right, we will bring this meeting to order at 6.45. And we'll slide, we already did our pledge, so we're not gonna do that again. We have a full house minus the fence. And do we have anybody signed up for public?

Yeah.

And you want to be in the public hearing for this big revenue sharing or just regular things.

Was that did you want to we have public comment for

the regular meeting or the state revenue sharing?

Would you order?

Okay, so regular, okay.

I've got a question on the college student, but that's a different story. Okay.

All right. So we'll go ahead and start with you, Hank, since I picked on you already.

Come on up, sir. I got old, but I can't hear anymore.

Come on up.

My question is, put the forming wells in.

Can I get you to state your name and address for the record?

Yeah, thank you. Thank you, sir. My question is, put the forming wells in. I noticed on our thing here, we are actually more expensive than Lafayette. We're just tied on with McMinnville, which we had an opportunity to do earlier, but we didn't because it would have been more expensive then. But at that time, they told us that McMinnville would have run the line across because we're only 1,500 feet away from there. end of their water line to the beginning of ours. Our five wells we have out there, I think we have one of them produces 100 gallons a minute. And I don't know that the other four even equal that. So why do we want to go ahead and punch a whole bunch of new wells in, considering they cost, I don't know, somebody told me $200,000 a copy.

Yeah, yeah.

So we've got that, plus one of our city managers purchased a nice private piece of property right up there just off the Lafayette-Opo Highway, the Smith part of it, whatever it is, which has water rights for over 400 gallons. Then how come we're not pursuing that? It already has the well punched in, It's only, what, 50 yards away from our water line now. Why aren't we using that? That's more water than we get off the hill and our wells, too, so.

Well, we're actually going to be discussing water tonight and those berry wells. So I don't know if you want to wait around and see how the discussion plays out. Or we can actually, I can have Jeremy give you a call and you guys can talk one-on-one and get all your answers.

Well, I know, but it's been five years that we've had that property. And we're just now trying to get it tapped into our system. And we've run into a couple of water problems. Yeah. We had a leak up on the hill or whatever. Yeah. And had that been there, it wouldn't have made a big difference anyway. So, and my other question is, how come it says the water increase we got was due to, anyway, we were increasing our rates, but when I was on city council, we had a $1 increase each year, and that was some years ago so and so it has been increasing and i see it on my bill every year it increases by a buck and bust sewer thought it was four bits but now it's a dollar or two so each year it increases by two dollars so it hasn't been underfunded it's been increasing as we go along uh and i don't know we put that pump in over there for the cross the bridge was that we had a grant to do that. And didn't we have a contract to get it in? So if we had a contract to put it in for a certain price, how come we ended up paying a whole bunch more?

That's a lot of questions to go into. And that's why I was saying maybe you should sit down with Jeremy and have a discussion so you can get those answered completely.

Because we can't understand you.

I want you to have a meeting with Jeremy. I'm going to have Jeremy give you a call so we can talk to you. OK, Hank?

All right.

Excellent. I'll be happy to. Thank you.

All right.

We're going to start. Steve, you want to do regular, right? Yes. OK. Come on up, sir.

Steve Hopper. Steve Hopper representing Dig Fire tonight. And we request every year for $2,500 to help subsidize the chicken dinner that we hold at the end of July for Old Timers Weekend on Sunday. And without those funds, it really wouldn't be worth our while because it's all volunteer labor. And the costs of it is going up, but we've done it every year as a community event. And we have a lot of good turnout, not just of old timers, but a lot of younger folks too, who like seeing things happening in our park. So I should have turned in my request paper a few weeks ago when I was here on budget committee, but I didn't. So I got it turned in today. So you will see this in a few weeks or sometime before the next meeting. But I just wanted to speak to it briefly now so that can answer any questions that you have. I know how tight the budget is. I do. And I do feel that it's worthwhile for the community. And so we're requesting as usual. $2,500 to subsidize the chicken dinner by the fire department, which, by the way, this is put on by the volunteer members of the fire department, so the funds have nothing to do with the fire district taxing. It's two different things. Any questions?

I don't have any. We love the chicken.

Yeah. Chicken prices keep going up. It gets much more expensive. We're going to have to start doing steak. I'm ready. Yeah. Let's do it. Excellent. No other questions? Anybody? All right. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

I turned to my previous. Thank you. Thank you. Excuse me. I don't think I locked my truck. Sure. I'm worried about it here.

Okay. It looks like I have quite a few people from the VFW. Do all of you want to get up or just one? Just these two. OK. Come on. And then when you're up, please state your name and address for me.

I'm assuming this is already on. I'm Rebecca Wallace and the quartermaster for the VFW. I live in Joubert, 97192.

It's been a long time since I've come in front of the city council. Some of you I do remember when I was a resident deputy here. And that there was somebody else, I don't remember, but maybe not. Well, anyway, I'm here because of the need for the flag around the park and I used to do it but then I got to another area where I left them here and then it got away from me but I'm back again because I put on the last time and I was just ashamed to put them up there because of the shape of those bike poles. We had wooden ones and we had PVC ones. And some of them were leaning either way. Take one fell off the fork and somebody had picked it up and put it against a traffic sign. And to me, living in Dayton, it hurts me a lot that just happens. So I took the initiative, what we all did at WFW, is that this is what I was proposing to do, is that the conduit, and the flag holders, and of course the new flags. I kind of painted this kind of fast, so my painting's not that good, so don't pay attention to it. But anyway, that's why I'm here, because I want to get the flag program back up online again. And like I said, I'm proud of the city. And one of the things is, this is my fed page. I bought for this flag. And I hate to see it being disgraced. It's already everywhere else. And we need to be up to date on our flight program. And we got another, to keep on going. I can walk. We also got, we're unwilling to do the, we're going to have to go. Boy Scouts here that's gonna be here, help out at work. If I can't do them, the Boy Scouts will do all, or we can do them together either way, because I feel responsible for another ton of plates of planks that have to go up on the bridge in McBendrill. I don't know how many of you guys have gone through McBendrill and the planks that are up there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many flagpoles do you need? 40. 40.

40.

Because I think I know somebody who has a bunch of conduit the eight quarters in his yard and aluminum. So if I could get him to donate those, would that be something you'd be interested in? You'll have that. Okay, go ahead.

So if they're in great shape, then we would appreciate that. We're trying to keep the costs as low as possible as much as everyone else is. And we know that teamwork makes the dream work for every kind of program that we can possibly set up. And... The flag program, when we weren't able to put flags up, it was noticed, it was called out. We got phone calls, where are the flags? And we were kind of in transition about who was gonna take that over and how are we gonna make that work? And an amazing blessing was that the newest Boy Scout troop wanted to help out with that. So it works in everyone's favor. We operate a flag program throughout Yamhill County, at least we're supposed to. We have a great flag program in Newburgh and we're sending that into Dayton, the actual flag program, before the city of Dayton contributed $400 for flags because the flags are expensive. We want to do a cotton embroidered flag, which, you know, you can say, sure, we can do this polyester nylon version all day long, but the cotton flags get to be retired at an official ceremony. And we think that's really important that we continue on with tradition. And so those flags by themselves are $39.99, the lowest price you can find the cotton and brighter flag. But that's what we're going to do. And so you're talking $1,400 in flags to replace and get a better flag program going up in Dayton because Over time, they fade. They don't look great. And we would rather have something that's quality and looks good and represents the United States versus something that's kind of drab and not really working out. So we had a good meeting with a lot of great people the other day, and it was, we're going to get 36 flags, 32 go around the park with four of them extra. We're going to have eight POW flags. Those POW flags are also very expensive. And so... With the POW flags and the 32 flags, we need 40 of those galvanized holes. That would be great. And then we talked about the possibility of working with the city on putting sleeves in the concrete. You can drill holes in the concrete, but then, you know, there could be somewhere in terror that can fall in on itself. So a sleeve inside the concrete after it's drilled would be really great because that would ensure doesn't break down, and there won't be any maintenance in the future.

And how much are those sleeves?

Well, you'd be looking at a PVC piece, six-inch PVC piece that would slide into the drilled hole. So it's just a matter of buying a big one and cutting it. Yes, yes.

Wouldn't that make more sense to use metal in there?

Not really, because in this time, a metal expands quite a bit, and you don't want to break the concrete, because you want them to fit in there kind of tightly. But then if we break the sidewalk, You know, with a sleeve that's more expensive as well. So we are coming with an ask as well because those $1,400 for flags, you know, the city used to pay $400 a year for the service of having the flags put out. And we would partner with the Boy Scouts because they need their hours and whatnot. But if a flag needs to be replaced, the VFW would be the one replacing the flag. So an initial, you know, having an investment would be helpful because the VFW, we wish we had a money tree, but we don't. The other thing is there was a program that was done in the city of Dayton before there was kind of a shakeup with the VFW at the cemeteries where wreaths would go out in the cemeteries. Well, the Boy Scouts are going to talk about, we have all the material. We have the wreath hangers. So they would take those hangers and continue the program.

Do you guys partner at all with the Daughters of American Revolution?

I mean, we partner with everyone that wants to partner with us.

I only ask that because we have some here in the community. I am too.

And I know you guys were going to be doing Wreaths of America this year. That program is kind of fully funded when someone budgets.

But I'm just thinking it might be nice in the future. That would be a good way to share costs. Yeah.

So we already have all the reef hangers. And we were going to basically work with the troops to be able to use those hangers and continue the program that basically stopped over the last year and a half, I think. Yeah. And then the... Oh, and the last program is the 9-11 program. So last year's 9-11 program wasn't so great. We didn't really know where everything was and kind of where that was at. Well, we found all of the material that was being used in the 9-11 tribute, and we're going to leave that in Dayton so that way that tribute can continue in the park the way that it did before. Oh, so again, I will be partnering with other organizations like the DAR and the Boy Scouts.

It's kind of nice when you put the flags up, people on, you know, the wave ads and stuff. And we did have one incident in McMinnville where we were putting out the flags and the people that are professional bike riders or whatever they are, one went by and he said, you know, you're in a bicycle lane. My partner, who's a little hot-headed, said, gave him the finger and yelled at him. And even along the line, he'd go, hey, you got to watch it, my buddy. He goes, well, we know we're right there, but we're all in there pretending. But I don't perceive that doing here. But if you guys want to help put up the flag, hey, good exercise.

And even Colt Wilkins and Miley Smith from the bypass, I know I read that they want to be involved in this. So if you haven't been in touch with them, please do.

Yes, I've been in touch with Miley.

So we have your contact information? Yes.

Fantastic. Is there a way for us to be on there unless for like a call or support or like hanging up in the park and things like that?

Yes, I think after we figure out what the troop wants to, they express that they want to do those placements. They get hours and badges and all the fun stuff. So we are very happy to share that with them. And then, of course, the program still is retained with the BFW, so we can kind of make sure that the flags have, you know, if the city can't help provide monetary to replace a flag, that's what we're doing. We do have a flag program where if we solicit businesses and if the business pays $50, they get a flag and a pole and it goes out with the other flags at the same time on those flag days. There's 14 days a year that that happens and that $50 helps towards the program and making sure that we get a flag and a pole and all of that. And so you can potentially have flags around the park and then also flags in front of the But it goes in the easement, and we would have to talk with the city on, you know, what that looks like. Newburgh allows it.

Or the thorns of July.

That would be great. Yeah.

From purchasing new to having retired, about how long has that been?

It's a couple of years. So we're looking at some ways to extend the life of a cotton flag because cotton flags, they're not quite as durable as a polyester or nylon flag. Say again?

Scotchgard?

Yes. But only the cotton flag can be properly retired with the fire.

It has to be a protection for material.

Because like in New Bern, we can't do a retirement ceremony with a burn barrel with a polyester or nylon flag. EPA won't let us do that. So that's why it's important to buy, spend the extra dollars and buy the cotton flag because we can't properly retire those nylon and polyester flags. The irony of that.

Quick question. Yes, sir. Do you have any programs for residents?

It's the same as the businesses. So yes, so we have a lot of residents in Newburgh that pay the $50 and they have a flag that's put in their yard right out front by the street. And especially like Nutry Ranch, for instance, it's a manufactured home park. And that place is just littered with flags during flag days. It's beautiful. You drive through and it's like a city of flags. It's kind of nice. So anyone in the city of Dayton could participate in that.

Oh, thank you. Do we have any more questions? All right. Thank you so much.

Let's have one. Who takes care of the owl? Rocio. Rocio. Maybe it's an emergency call. Can I get with you to set that up?

Sure.

And she'll pay your money. Thank you again.

If the city would like to contribute, though, that's the other.

Thank you. All right.

That is it. Did you want to speak too, sir?

No. Okay.

Just double-checking. I didn't want to overlook.

Thank you very much. Thank you for your consideration. Thanks for doing it. Thank you. I'm George Edmundson. I'm the Senior Vice Commander of the Post-4015 BMW Vietnam Veteran. And again, thank you for your consideration of this. This is really, I think, really important, especially this year of 250th anniversary of our country. And by the way, we have just... begun a new relationship with the DAR, which recently resulted in the two of us coming together to dedicate a new memorial park in Newburgh honoring the colonial war veterans fought in the revolution. So that's a lot of fun. I was part of that. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

All right. Now we have our consent. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Most of that.

We have to settle the chapter. I'm going to move. Thank you can send you general planning with the financials. So I'm going to be able to sign your statement. Maybe for us in joint session meeting and regular session meeting unit.

So good. Excellent. I have a motion from Helper back in a second from Okay, I guess we'll just go right into this. Public hearing. Public hearing for to obtain, I'll read the little deal since nobody's on either.

No.

The city council will hold a public hearing to obtain citizen input on the budget for fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2026 as approved by the city of Dayton budget committee. So we need to open that up at 7 a.m. And we'll close at 7-11. Oh, thank you. I love there's 30 people. That's what it means. To be halfway. So you make this on it. I'm sorry, Dan.

Oh, no, you're the best in public hearing. Okay.

All right. We will close that public hearing. That's 7-11. All right. On to the second public hearing. The City Council will hold a public hearing to obtain citizen input on the proposed uses of state revenue sharing funds in the City of Dayton fiscal year 26-27 budget. A, state alcohol taxes, 46,000. B, cigarette taxes, 1,400. C, state marijuana taxes, 4,000. And D, state revenue sharing, 46,000. And we'll open that up at 7-11.

And I guess we'll just close that at 7-12. It's good to see the tobacco number kind of go, but we need more value. So a lot more people are not smoking as much.

Oh, I was wondering about that. I'm like, agreed, but also.

All right. Wonderful. All right. First action item. Recology. This is Dan Blue.

Good evening. Good evening, Mayor Frank, members of council. I think I've met most of you before last year. My name is Dan Blue. I'm the Government Relations Manager for Recology Northern Oregon. I have a very brief presentation tonight, so it'll definitely be a little bit of a repeat from what you've heard before. Perfect. We're going to switch it up a little bit, just jump right into the annual rate review this time, and then I'll cover a couple of operational highlights and some updates and a little bit about our second modernization activity and certain questions you have. Can you all hear me okay? Yeah, great. I'm a little hard of hearing too, so hopefully I'll be able to hear you. The room is very echoey, but I should be able to be okay. Let's see. So, Jumping right into it, regretfully, I am here to ask for a 3% CPI rate adjustment this year. The drivers, you can probably guess, are pretty familiar to folks. Our cost of fuel has gone up 16%. We're also seeing some wage increases. And then another big issue is Coffin Butte Landfill. They had a Coffin Butte Landfill, which is where... A little bit south. I think it's from Alice Benton. Oh, so we have to go even further. Yeah, that's where we take it. It gets consolidated in McMinnville and then reloaded and taken down there. They had hoped to get an expansion for their landfill. And through a very long process, many hours of meetings, that expansion was denied. And so... One thing we've learned from history is that when landfills are reaching sort of the end of their lifespan, they start to raise rates to make as much money as they can before they have to close. And so, unfortunately, this may be something that's going to happen in the coming years as well. So, yes.

What alternatives are you considering?

Thank you for that question. Yes, we... are looking at other options. Our North Coast operations, so Clasic County, Astoria, Warrington, Seaside, all of those cities, we reload in Warrington and take it to, I don't know, it's County, to a place called Headquarters Landfill. We also have the option to go out the gorge. That's going to have a little bit more of a transportation cost to it.

But can't they do it by rail up there by the gorge? Because my, and I ask, because... My ex-husband's father worked for the railroad and did the train wrap.

Yeah, there is a lot of solid waste railed up the gorge. I know the Portland metro area uses trucks. They just find it more efficient. You have to have a very large quantity of material to get a spot on the schedule for a rail. And we just don't generate that kind of quantity here in the valley. So I'm not sure for us.

There's round more and we can't.

Nope. So unfortunately, you know, with the consumer price index for the last 12 months is 3.5. The franchise agreement allows us to come in up to 4% without a real formal process. We are seeking a 3%, which is consistent in the Valley. It is sort of a function of the franchise agreement to do that. And what these relatively minimal adjustments do is they prevent us having to come in for something much larger if we don't make these annual adjustments. I think last year it was 2.1%. So just to, this number is incorrect. I also did Amity's rate slide deck today. So this is actually 86.82. So essentially what happens is April 1st, we submit to the city a full packet with our annual rate review report, a cover letter, which was accurate, as well as our proposed rate sheet and a third party financial review. We submit that in April. City staff takes a look at it. We come and do this annually. And within the franchise agreement, it sets a target of an 88% operating ratio and allowable range of 85 to 91. And then that 4% cap on a CPI-based adjustment, which I spoke about. So Where we are this year, if we implement this 3%, then the operating margin would get to 86.82. It's a little bit better than the target. And we don't like to go to every other city and have different percentage increases. That's why we kept it below 4% at the three, just so we can kind of level that across all of our jurisdictions, both here and at the coast. So it gets us a little bit above the operating target, But not a whole lot. And definitely within that range that's allowed by the franchise. So that's kind of the numbers. Just what that looks like for your most common customer is $1.22 a month. And then for the 32-gallon curbside customer, it's $0.73 increase. Okay. Sorry. Here's the $0.73 and here's the $1.22. So just to see what that looks like, I mean, within the context of the proposed rate sheet, which should be in your packet, There's that 32 and there's the 90 gallon customer. And one thing I do know is that your services, sorry. It's up here. You have every other week recycling, weekly garbage. You have a subscription yard debris service. I think there's about 123 customers in the city that utilize that service. You also have a yard debris sticker, so residents can get that little thing and go to the McMinnville Transfer Station and take as much yard debris as you want. And then you also have every other week class. And I'd just say you have like one of the Cadillac programs here in the Valley. I think McMinnville is the only other jurisdiction that has all those services, which is kind of great for your residents. So just wanted to share that with you. And we serve 779 residential customers and 38 commercial customers.

Yeah.

So a little bit about our service update. We're a commercial, typical to the art container. Their increase will be $8.33 a month, which is hard. So that's the annual report. It's pretty short this year on the finances. I'm happy to answer any questions or I can go through the rest of it and then do it afterwards. Yes. Sorry.

You may not even know, but is the company ever thinking about burning waste instead of shipping it everywhere?

Yeah.

Because the cost to ship it everywhere is would probably cost you the amount to build a facility that you could burn with the filter.

Yeah, that's a great question, Mayor Frank. I know Covanta, which was outside of Salem, they were taking 200,000 tons of garbage a year and incinerating it. And for a variety of reasons, they went out of business. And it's actually build a safe incinerator it's far cheaper to haul it especially east of the mountains where it's dry those landfills have 150 year lifespan on them whereas incinerators are very expensive to upkeep the pollution controls required by you know the environmental regulations are super which don't matter anymore Well, it doesn't matter yet. Sorry.

Not that I agree with that. I'm just saying.

They went out of business, and it's actually one of the things that's putting more pressure on Buff and Butte Landfill is because they're now having to take those $200,000.

What I'm trying to ask is because there are other countries, and maybe they have different setups, and I don't know if you folks go visit other places, but they burn garbage for electricity and other things like that. And it just... it seems like there's got to be a better way than this traditional old trucking down the road where wheels and tires and smog and gas is continually just building up and you're going to be packing the earth with all kinds of shit. Pardon my French.

It was definitely European nations definitely have used incineration effectively, but they also focus very heavily on waste prevention and recycling before they get to that point. Which we should do as well. We should do that. And they're also more constricted in their land than we are. We seem like we're heavily populated, but we're really not. And between the three landfills that are up the Columbia River Gorge, there's probably 300 years of capacity for what ways we do send to the landfill. I used to work at Metro Regional Government. I was a systems planner. And when I was there, we did a study about rail, shipping, trucking, incineration. And at the end of that research period, we came up with that it was more environmentally friendly to put it into a truck and drive it to Arlington landfill. than it would be to do it by rail or to do it by ship. And incineration has just never, it's not been a popular option in Oregon. There's a certain group of environmental folks that just absolutely, it's hard to permit it, hard to get the land to do it on.

There's other options besides just burning it. But my point is, is diversify, not just one thing. Not just one thing.

Burning it, you've got to sort it anyway. Not everything's combustible.

To some degree, but they burn everything. Anything that's in your garbage cart that was going to Fomantic, I've been there. It burns everything. It's not great. You have to scrub the outflow with really intense cleaners to get the smoke cleaned enough to really sit in the atmosphere.

I worked at a cogent plant over in Redding. Oh, right.

Yeah, there's lots of different stuff. And every day they're invading the just more of an innovation. And I just, I get frustrated because it feels like everybody's like, it's either this or this. Diversify, do it all. Anyways, okay, I'm off my horse now.

Off this will be.

Yeah. So, good question. And this is, apologies in advance for me not knowing how this works, but what is the relationship between, like, the jurisdiction zones between human waste management? So, like, how does recology and waste management split up?

Yeah. So the franchise system is based on historical companies that existed before we did. So originally it was city sanitary, had a lot of the cities here in the Valley, and then it became Western Oregon Waste. We acquired Western Oregon Waste and that's how we acquired the franchises. The franchises are considered rolling franchises, which means that yours does this as well. Every year, there's a year added on to the term of the franchise agreement, unless the hauler is not performing well or has egregiously lied about what our finances are or something like that. Most cities find it, fine to stick with the holiday that they have. You will have the option always through the franchise agreement to make different decisions with that. And you as a council could discuss that. You know, we have We don't go after other people's service areas. That would just be not okay in our industry because we all work together in a lot of ways in terms about what's happening in Salem and the legislature or advancements in Recycling Modernization Act or other EPR laws. So we don't go after other people's business, but you all have the option to talk about whether this franchise arrangement is working for you. It's really your franchise and we are the service provider. It's a contract.

It's a great question. Rate competition, things like that. If it's a healthy debt in a way. And I just don't know how franchise agreements work in that way.

I can speak to the rates. Essentially, it's a cost plus contract. And so we report to you everything that we spend money on that's allowed for in the franchise agreement. If you find discrepancies or questions about what we're reporting financially or in terms of how we allocate costs, because we serve 11 different jurisdictions here in the Valley and we use an allocation model that's based on the number of miles the trucks run, the number of hours our labor spend servicing this community versus Amity or Lafayette down the road. And then that allocation model a guaranteed profit, but I want to make sure I clear that that profit margin or that margin also that has to cover our taxes. It has to cover significant capital investment. The garbage truck costs $500,000 now. It also sets aside some financial reserves for us to retain liquidity and banking for credit worthiness and all of that. So we basically report to you what the costs are and then we shoot for that 12% or 88% operating ratio. And so that's the cost plus. And the difference in a franchise agreement from a private business is that we have to serve every, we don't get to choose whether we pick up this person or that person, whether they paid their bill or not. Also, the efficiency of us serving the entire community, it helps keep those costs down. So instead of having like three different haulers in the city competing on price, where you have three times as many garbage trucks, three times as many recycling trucks, you get some efficiencies gained from that. And so that's kind of how it works. Cool.

So if you don't have garbage trucks,

I'm sorry.

So if you don't pay your bill, you'll still get the garbage. Well, we do have mechanisms for that.

But, you know, we do have to work with those customers. So we don't have a choice.

They just drive around the block.

And they find out they didn't pay for it. Or even can't. So one more follow-up question. Yeah. When it comes to the services provided, so, you know, the glass, I'm going to kind of circle back on that. You said that us and McMindle are going to be able to, they're doing the glass recycle at this point. I've heard. Yep. Do our rates increase with the amount of services that we offer? Yes. Okay. So like if, in a hypothetical situation, not that I'm opposing this, if we discontinued, you know, glass or garbage or something like that, the rest of the rates would lower?

They're, they're likely would be an adjustment there. Yes. Yes, because it's, you know, it's a different truck. And it's a different driver. So we have to have a different truck for each of those lines of service. So those definitely get, you know, reflected in the past that we approve. Versus another one.

Okay. And then was that the city council thing that we decided to add? Yeah. That was, that was decided. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Before I was in the test.

Switching it around. Yeah, we just, it really wasn't that much extra. Because, I mean, all in all, it's not that much. Yeah, more wine kind of.

Yeah. Okay, cool.

I assume you recall that we had a choice of adding glass or yard debris. Yeah, that's what we were talking about. And we asked the community, and they made the choice of glass with subscriptions for yard. Yeah. I happen to appreciate the glass because nobody else picks it up. People who do yard work take their debris away with them. I couldn't get anybody else to take the glass away, so I could appreciate it. But yeah, we put it up to the people. They said, we would rather have glass.

And subscription works and we probably wouldn't do that again. I know Sheridan has asked for subscription yard debris, but it is so expensive to serve 50 or 40 people. Luckily, there's a pretty reasonable number who have signed up for it here, but it's not cost effective for us to send a truck to Sheridan if we're only picking up like, you know, 15 people. So that subscription rate would be quite a bit higher now. And we were very reluctant to do that.

Are we at risk of losing it?

Are you? No, no, no. We're not looking at taking your customer response when you call.

Did you hire more people or change your?

If it's the middle of the night, we don't find it until the next morning when the first person comes on, we'll check how everything's operating. Everything else, the majority of the rest of our system has alarms that are built in. So as soon as there's a problem, we get a phone call. We know exactly where we need to go, what we're already facing before we get there. So right now we're just flying and blowing. So last year when we were having issues with McDougal 2, it was being run pretty hard, and we were having issues with a boat with water, because we were getting aeration because the water was actually cascading in the well. We had no idea what the water level was without going out and actually manually sticking a tape measure down the hole, pulling it out, seeing where we're at. So this would basically bring us back to what all the rest of our wells have currently. So we would have water levels pump on, pump off, any alarms that it's got, notification immediately if there's an issue. So kind of bring us to the point of first century. Wow. All right. Four days a week, we actually go out currently and we drop a tape down in there and take a measurement if the well is off so that we know where it's at. Okay.

So that replaced a knotted string. Oh, shit.

Well, I have a comment. Yes, please. So the 3850 is budgeted? Did you budget it? Or where are we at?

No, but there's enough slack in the water fund budget where we could take it.

Oh, thank you.

We have one more question.

Thank you. And he's going to prove them a little well telemetry replacement project for the quarter amount. If the 7,900 for me. I'm sorry. Most of the past or Peter said that that's what I wrote all those in favor.

I'm not sure. All right. We're going to move on to the authorization to submit a technical assistance financing application to Business Oregon for the water system's financial analysis and rate-setting project on page 115. Anything you want to... Yes, ma'am.

So earlier this year, I believe I brought an inquiry form from the council to get the ball started on this financing request for business awarding, this would be to do more than just a rate study. Then we do a rate study going out 20 years. But it's going to do more than that. It's going to look at all of the different options that we're considering. The McLaren light tie-in. What do we do with the Lafayette joint system? How do we fund these deferred capital needs, like the 100-year-old transmission How do we start tackling these big strategic issues related to our lives? And how do we develop a logical and fair rate system so that we can pay for that? I had a conversation around this time last year with a member of this body about how it would be helpful to have an analysis show that if we do this, then this happens. If we do this, then this happens. That's what the goal is. with this project. Now, the $140,000 price tag, that was based off of a rough estimate that one firm gave me. I think that's very inservitive. If we move forward with this and if we're funded, we're going to go through a competitive process where multiple firms have an opportunity to bid on this. And we'll likely get some responses that are less than that. Regardless, I'll be bringing it to you with the full scope of proposals like we did for the architect, where you can decide who you want to bring on board. The goal would be by this time next year to have all of this study done so that we can start making these big, strategic decisions. Right now, we don't have the data. And that's why we feel stuck. We don't know where to start. I'm asking for your approval tonight for me to get this funding application started for the business board.

Well, that's a low-interest rate plan. Correct. I know we'll talk about this a little bit.

I just think this is such a necessary piece. There are so many moving parts to this project. Even to our sweet little town, it's a million moving parts and We need the expertise to come in and say, do that, don't do that, or make suggestions or like you said, the flow chart, the Venn diagram that shows you where, yeah, I'll just stop. I wholeheartedly think this is a strong, even though we're tight on the principle. Anybody else?

May I? Yes. I move to authorize the city manager to submit a technical assistance financing application of business or given the amount of $140,000 us with the water system financial analysis of great study project and to authorize the mayor to sign the application certification statement.

I have no over the staff and all those in favor. I motion pass. We're going to move on to action number five. This is approval of resolution 20-25, 26-21, approving a franchise agreement with Hunter Communications on page 137.

I got to say, Hunter Communications do a great job. And they saved me a bunch of money. I saved $75 for Anthony.

$50 a month for Fiverr.

Yeah, exactly. And it's no problems. Zero problems.

We have them too, so I can't complain.

Mayor, this was a very easy agreement. Our attorney drafted what you see. I sent it to Hunter. They said it looks fine to us. So that's what you have. There's just a slight change on page 144. It's going to be Hunter Communications LLC. And then Let's see what else she's sending. It's going to be Hunter Communications and Technologies LLC. And then on page 148. The notice is going to be It's just going to read country communications. 801 Enterprise Drive, Central Point, Oregon 97502. Those are the whole changes.

Okay. So.

I'm going to approve Resolution 2025-26-1, a resolution approving a franchise as a business.

A second. Motion passes. We will move on to action six, approval of resolution 20.5 slash 26-22 agreement, intergovernmental agreement with the Mid-Holanda Family Council of Governments, July 20.6 through June 27 on page 143. Questions? Comments, concerns, anybody? Or I would entertain a motion.

This is budgeted, too, obviously.

It is. The exact amounts will depend on how much we do so. OK.

I move to approve Resolution 2025 slash 26-22, a resolution approving a contract for land use planning services with the Mid Willamette Valley Council of Governments, July 1 to 2026 through June, very important.

So I have a motion from Councilor Peterson and the second from Councilor McBride. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. All right. We are up to action. Item seven, approval of Resolution 2025 slash 46-23, approving an intergovernmental agreement between Hampton Hill County and the State of Dayton for police services for fiscal year 206 to 207, and that is on page 173. Any questions, comments, concerns?

I move to resolution 25 slash 26 dash 23, approving an intergovernmental agreement between Yamano County and the City of Dayton for police services for fiscal year 2026 and 2027.

Something to say I moved to approve. Yeah. I sent you out.

Give me a second. I have a motion from Councilor Piper and a second from Councilor Peterson. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. All right. Action item eight, second reading of ordinance 670, amending the Dayton Municipal Code. Yes. So,

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Though to the IPA for the police versus or fiscal year 26.7 so. HAB-Masyn Moyer- What happens to the idea, but worst case scenario, obviously, but again in the room, let's have asked, but worst case scenario, if it doesn't what happens to the idea in that capacity, do we need to make up that money for the idea in different ways or the idea go away.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- It goes away, this is a one year term we just won't remove.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- All right, except. All right, second reading of ordinance 670 on page 181. May I? Yes, please.

I noticed that it said in here for searching on a couple of pages, so I'm going to go ahead and fix this. I am doing the second reading of ordinance 670. Amending a municipal code chapter 5.6 door-to-door solicitation on materials distribution.

I move to approve the second reading of Ordinance 670 of my title law. I'll second.

Okay. I have a motion from Debra Graham. And a second from Councilor Mackin. All those in favor? Aye.

This is our last meeting. I'm still going to adopt.

Next one will be a lot.

We don't really adopt. We don't adopt it tonight. Shall I?

Sure.

Okay. I'm with you to adopt ordinance 670, amending the municipal code chapter 5.6, door-to-door solicitation or materials distribution.

Second.

And a motion from Councilor MacKinnon and a second from Councilor Hobart. All those in favor? All right. All right, motion . All right, action item number nine. Returning to Yamhill Regional Water Authority discussion on page 189.

Jeremy. Thank you, Mayor. This is a follow-up on some conversation the council had at your May 1st goal-setting session. One of the top priority items was expanding our water supply. And one of the things on some of the note hands that I saw had to do with being a part of regional efforts. I have some information in your packet that talks about the history of this and when we withdrew from the regional efforts. I also have an intergovernmental agreement in here about the regional cooperatives with McMinnville, Long Island Life, City of Carleton, and the City of Lafayette. And at one time, the city said, I'm seeking direction tonight from the council. You want to get the ball started on rejoining this regional effort. There is no financial requirement to rejoin. Rejoining just gives us a seat at the table. As I mentioned in my staff report, Long-term, this regional group is looking at two options. The first is a long-term water supply or water purchasing agreement with McNamara. So that would supply a regional system. And the second one that they're looking at is a regional water treatment facility that would obtain water from the Willamette River. And that would serve a regional system. These are long-term. It's not going to happen tomorrow. It's not going to happen five years from now. It may happen 10 years from now. I'm just asking the council, do you want to have a seat at the table as we're planning to build on this?

So I would like for us to clarify a question personally with the... organizer of this. So it's come up in the past and it's been a little bit confusing on what the expectation would be of amount of water supply today as a percentage of our network by original supply. So, for example, is the expectation that we're fully replacing our infrastructure with this system or is the expectation that it's going to be a supplement to our existing system? Personally, I would be in favor if it's a supplement to our existing system because the reality is Our infrastructure will phase out over time. But I think that it will be a much more expensive rate. I mean, they're going to bill us at 1.5. You know, what mid-bills think, Bill, for example. It's a lot of money at 1.5. And so I think that the price tag, if it was a you must switch entirely, is going to be too high. I would personally be interested in a phase-in approach, so long as they're okay with us using it as a supplement in the near term. as opposed to a forward placement. So there, I would like to see from the organizing body of this, because that would make an impact on my own personal life with this.

So in my understanding of reading the materials, they're looking for people to pick up the cost of developing these treatment plants and supplies, service pipes, and that kind of thing from the Willamette, right? Yes. I thought they got their water from the reservoirs up in the above. They do.

The long-term plan, though, is this regional water treatment facility. And that was actually an idea that we had in the printouts in your packet. Regional entities. Is Salem and Kaiser

those in independence, those communities discharging waste, treating waste in the land, truly are. You know anything about that?

Yeah. There are a lot of people that it has to meet a certain standard.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of cities upstream. And I know that the studies, the deformations of the fish and those kind of things are associated with all the downscale from us, ostensibly Newburgh and down from there. Are we feeling comfortable about drinking water out of a pond?

I mean, right now we're drinking, you know, hell of a water.

Yeah, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of heavy metal running off of things and there's a lot of small chain molecules.

There's a lot of farm.

Right, exactly what I was going to say. Every time you see those guys going over there, it's random grass fields and all the rest. That's a small chain molecule. It migrates through our soils very rapidly and into our aquifers. And then it goes to the drainage and the laminate. I'm just saying, it's to think of it, and the idea of phasing in, it's something that, I mean, it's like having something in your pocket in case the official wells didn't really work out very well. We found ourselves below capacity for our needs in the city, and I like it in that respect, but I don't like the cost, the full cost, just jumping in and full cost.

Well, let me just add to that. Because I used to go to these meetings back in the day. And we decided not to go through with it because of the cost it was going to cost each individual city. I don't know what the cost would be now. You know, I don't know who's running the whole program now. Are we obligated?

Or can we opt out when there is a problem?

Well, that's why we're no longer in it.

It was an overabundant amount. It was way more than we put forward. And it was going to cost more than trying to rehabilitate wells. And that's the reason we opt out. The other reason is there was a slight feeling of We're going to lose our autonomy to our city. Like they're going to use the water to control the city.

So you can come up with some information regarding how much it's going to cost. What are we talking about in terms of cost and that kind of is what we're proposing. We take a peek at it to see what we're talking about. Expected cost to us is dated. Could we have, what's this button come from?

McMillan top.

Oh, yeah. I mean, it sounds like we have all have a lot of questions.

All right. Maybe. Yeah. The thing is, is this this these regional issues are so far out. Okay.

It's just a discussion right now.

Right.

I kind of feel that we should get back in the room. And I don't, I don't, I don't, maybe I'm naive, but I don't feel like we're going to be writing any checks anytime soon. No, no. I think, but being at the table, discussing what's happening in our region, being a team player, I think is, is a step that we should take right now. And that's where we're going to learn what's going on, even drive some of what's going on. Project we're working on or what they're aiming for. So it feels like we should be part of that commission.

And to your point, you're like, this is the future. We don't know how far down the road it is necessarily, but like our infrastructure is not, our water infrastructure as it is is not going to be around 200. But that infrastructure will be, you know, so to your point, having a seat at the table. No, I mean, that watch, that's good for centrons. You know, I mean, it can... Well, yeah, the spring's up there. It'll be around for a long time. Yeah, yeah. So, to your point, I see at the table now... Like, I'm definitely not opposed to having a seat at the table.

I think it's a good idea to have a seat at the table. That way you can know what's going on and you get a clue of how and if you're going to be able to play in the game. Yeah.

So before you give me direction on this, I am more than happy to ask their director to come to a council meeting and answer any more questions. Please.

Please, please, please. I would like for him to come.

Maybe it should be a special meeting because I know Drew's going to have a meeting.

Oh, I'm going to have a stone meeting.

I'm going to have a stone meeting. Bring coffee.

I'm going to bring some snacks and popcorn.

Yeah, we all have like a weird kind of things that we both talk about. I love talking about water. It's like a structure out.

Right place, right time. Yeah, I guess I'm interested in you starting to prepare a resolution so that we can, well, it's giving information is always good too.

I used to, I used to like talking about those. Hey, don't worry. Yeah. Okay. So, um,

Is this the indication that we would like to get our butts at the table again?

At least to hear about what the deal is.

And that's all you need from us for that, huh, Jeremy? Right. We'll go on to council comments and concerns, and we're going to start down here at council.

Thank you. The only thing I've got is just general life in my city. So I'll be probably a couple of threats with you, Jeremy. It's just, I just think that we're sort of shabby on 3rd Street, especially when there's some areas that look seedy. That's pretty bleak. But the other thing I want to say just briefly is that, um, You know, I was thinking about our library, right? And not funding the new system and all that jazz, which is a good thing. I mean, it's the budget and all that stuff. I'm glad we discussed it and all that. And I know that I was pretty strongly boarded, outspoken about it. But, you know, I was thinking about grants passed, because there would be grants passed in 2008 when they had the big depression, recession, whatever it was down there. And first they needed to shut down the library, completely the whole, Josephine County shut down the entire library.

But the library stores did not close.

because people got together and volunteered. There was only one paid position in that whole system. And between the years of 2007, when that was finally, when it was shut down, and the year 2017, the library system stayed open through volunteers, through fundraising. And the community, I was part of that Friends of the West Pass, Yosemite County Library. And you know, there was a real community sense of people pulling together in this. And so, With that, thinking about that, it sort of morphed me into a little more proactive process. And I don't know what it would take to get, I'm sure there is a Friends of the Library in Yangon County. I know McMinnville is a nice library, but our library is funded through Yangon County.

We had a Friends of the Library.

Or is it funded privately through each city?

We did.

Our library is funded through Yangon County. So in Grants Pass, or just the county, that whole library system was funded through the county. Well, yeah, we should have a friends at the library here. We should have one again. Right. We can fundraise to do fun things.

We want to go down to three members and one of them went to work and wasn't available anymore. It was just to be in the librarian. But yeah, we have Cindy now. She's We're starting library program going to have any kids come from the grade school. We used to have them come and I would go to the grade school and talk to those who couldn't come. She didn't think it was very smart. Maybe we can get them to volunteer, basically.

Maybe I'll go. Maybe I'll touch base with her and talk about some of the programs we used to do as friends with library grads fast. Because there were all manner of things we did. There were like chili cook-offs. There were They had four or five times a year, they had events where people would come and sell their stuff. And when they did a cut of it, they were petitioning people. He didn't exist. It's a vicious.

Yeah.

I mean, but they're funding completely. For over 10 years, they were funding it entirely, probably, which was something that had never been done before from this political. from accounting like that.

Well, I do think it's possible, and I think we just need to put our heads together and make it happen.

I think there are people in the community who would love to see the library stay open or even have a bigger role in the community. Libraries are something that the loss of a library, and I realize this is me personally, feels like a loss of society. It feels like a loss of civilization when we start to discount our libraries and want to change other books and want to rewrite history. That, to me, is an abomination.

Yeah, well, the library is a great resource for a lot of people. It's great for young people. It's great for people who need a place to fill out an application, pick up tax papers. We should all follow you. The Spanish, English-Spanish language program is through there.

Can you remember, Hermiston?

Yes.

Social infrastructure, having libraries and things like that really helps communities get through COVID.

It also helps build the community and people's willingness to step up.

And help people be smarter and think more. And we need more figures in this world. Oh, God.

How much was the yearly cost for this position? So I'm going to give you the full and lower. I was going to say it was 20 plus. I think it was 22 soft hands on it.

So right now, she's at 15 hours a week. Last year, she was at 20 hours a week. At 15 hours a week, the fully loaded cost is $21,570. One more time? $21,570. You might as well just say $22,000. Okay. Oh, I'll wait till the circle.

Well, one comment is about the space. How nice to have AC, new floors. You know, some of the work that we did on this community center, we are enjoying. And I want to say I appreciate it. I mean, just the remodel that did happen was great. So thank you for that. Um, this is a odd sort of topic, but I'm going to say it out loud on the record because I'm not completely I don't like people being here on zoom unless there's a real need for I do is an awesome thing. And I know it got us through COVID. But the people are counselors, counselors, I guess mostly is what I'm talking about. The interpersonal body language, fourth dimension stuff that we get to do together in the room is a lot different. And doesn't, flat out does not happen when you're out there. So, and I know that there have been extenuating circumstances and maybe, you know, maybe I'll be in that situation sometime where I can't get home from Seattle or something, but I just, I'm not comfortable with it. And maybe, maybe there are reasons for that to be happening at times and I'm just not privy to it. And so I guess, maybe I need that to be explained to me why I'm not, but I want to put that on the table, I don't like that to just be an option for us as Council, I think we should be. When at all, and we can discuss and i'm a reasonable person, but I just wanted to post something.

Is that there, but is there a couple of rules for this. Yes, so it's. HAB-Masyn Moyer- So it's not something that we can decide in a moment it's like it's written in like, yes, this is a privilege that counselor provided.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- We read the whole Council rule thing last year, and that was part of that's just where we're getting to you know not not to discredit.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- know that's where we, I think, as individuals have to be a little terrible because it's like i'm all full like a risk or whatever reason, and probably. HAB-Masyn Moyer- it's like I don't know. Like you, you should have the right to do that. And I think actually you do have the right to that for the council. So I, I, I hear it. I'm just, and I don't think I'm wearing my, my words very well. I just, right now it's a right. And I think we have to be careful, like imposing our, like, will on each other. Does that make sense? And I don't think that's the right way.

I mean, my question is, Do I need to just suck it up, or do I need to know why someone's about to pick her?

Do I just need to accept that, well, the universe has allowed that? If you want to know why they're not here, ask prior to the meeting starting or not. Okay, ask me. Yes, sir.

Can I say something? It sounds like you're just wanting people to do the right thing. The right thing to be in the city, in the council chambers, as a council member, interacting, there are times when we're not able to do that. Now, I'm retired, so I'm here every time. And sometimes we're busy doing other stuff, working and things like that, and we have to. But the right thing is to be here interacting with our colleagues in a thoughtful and present way. And what I hear you saying is we would like to see all of us be there and go right there. For those of us who are not.

Yeah, I guess. Thank you. OK, if I may. Yes. It is different zooming, separate but equal. You don't have the full experience. I am grateful because there are times when it's just, I've been good so far. I haven't needed to zoom except when it was really, really cold that one time.

Yeah, that makes sense to me.

I was, to me, it's kind of like encouraging people to actually show up at meetings. And the best we could do maybe is to encourage people to be here in person. Maybe support when they are here. Hey, it's good to see you in person here.

We could just be a little more goofy, and that might make them happy to come. Well, I can always .

I think we need to be careful about trying to push people in person because it could kind of go against me. I'm going to go there.

Yeah. No, no. And I think, okay. I think it's always more fun and better to be in person. You gain more. However, there are instances where that's just not possible where, you know, our lives get busy. I have surgery, you're sick or, you know, whatever. And we need that opportunity. But I think for the majority of our council, we're usually here. I mean, there's maybe one person that's not always, but, you know, people are all different and we unfortunately sometimes have to love it.

We've had some excellent attendance records so far this year. It really hasn't been too bad. It really hasn't been too bad. Yeah. I've been watching and I've noticed lots and lots of absences from a few people. And how do you convince them, hey, we really need you to show up? You said you wanted to do this. Come on.

Well, I'm not going to be a mean girl. Well. Thank you.

Being diplomatic is a little bit harder work.

It is. But sometimes just saying something straight out is just as good.

Yeah.

We missed you last week or last month. And I do. I also want to say on the record that I appreciate it when someone has an illness or surgery or whatever or can't get here and makes the effort to arrive on Zoom. So I get that.

But... She's just saying she really likes it when we're here because we gain so much. And it feels like we're connecting. And we're a team, right? All right, Miss Kitty, would you like to make your comments? I know that I am due to write something about Bolivia and get it in.

Now, Scott, you've already done something.

Yeah, I did. Yeah, Jeremy reminded me, and Rocio, and I was like, what? I never, and then it was like, what? I can't remember that now. So I had to throw something together.

Would you share what you wrote so I can get an idea maybe what not to write about?

I wrote an experiential piece about the levees failing down at Grants Pass in Josephine County, which were traumatically entire to the community. And then I finished it with a strongly worded recommendation and everybody vote for it. And I was told I couldn't do that. So we had to strike that, which is okay. So you can't make a recommendation, but really my experience was, and I think I've already shared this with you on a couple of occasions that, and this is what I said is that I always took law enforcement for granted until it wasn't there anymore. And people were, there was a prostitution ring working in a park across the street. There were needles all over the place. There were people going through my backyard that I finally had to put up a gate and a Smith and Wesson sign. I mean, it was acting. And people, scary stuff was happening all the time. Home invasions were just insane. And people were getting murdered. It was nuts. And there was no law enforcement.

Luckily, we didn't get that crazy here when that happened. I mean, we did have the drug thing, especially when we had the old newspaper recycle thing over there. Everybody went over there to that thing. Well, super...

So anyway, that's what I heard.

So I'm thinking see something, say something, and maybe focus on the cost of vandalism.

How about we have a town hall again with the sheriff's department, but it'll be in the park. Yes, okay.

For National Night Out.

And we can encourage people then. And maybe we can come up with some search wires or something. I don't know.

Just write what's in your heart.

Okay. It's been time to talk to everybody at that point in time when we're having National Night Out. It's also a good time to help people realize that they do have some control over their own lives, like turn off porch lights, lock doors, don't leave a computer. I shouldn't have. Those standards. Yeah.

OK. I think that's it. Oh, I was going to ask about PO-1. Is there no U.S. bank in McMinnville?

There is one in McMinnville. I mean, it's on Durham Street.

That's the only one. Oh, OK. And I don't think that's on us. I don't know if it's going to be there that October.

I don't know if it's going to be there that October. I've got to say two thousand bucks.

Weren't there two other people like Kathy Cartman and Lori Flores who were on the sign-in with you? It was just you and me. No, I wasn't on the sign-in. I'm not a signer because I was the executive professor. I think it was just me.

Kathy never was part of it and Lori was, yeah.

Well, so I guess get a counter check And I don't know why it's so hard to get this money out of the bank. But it would be good if you could get going on that.

If you want, we can meet during one of my lunch hours. I can come up to U.S. Bank and we can do it.

Okay. They won't talk to me. I'm not on the account. I'll be there to keep you company, but you're going to have to do all the talking. Oh, you know, I got that. Can I say something about that?

I asked them if there was a way we could get it done without having to go into the branch and they're being very slow getting back to me. It's a good try.

I emailed them a while ago because I was a signer on another thing and they never even got

I think that's just fine. Okay. So. And you do.

Uh, sure. I've got three things. Um, this past Saturday was the. So it was another success. Uh, they had a lot more people registered than actually showed this year. So the park was a little fewer than it was last year. But they had a lot more registration.

It was so fun to see them come and roll by my house.

It was a blast.

I saw them come by just as I was getting ready to go into Portland.

Yeah. So they got away from the house by that time. Yeah. So Cheryl Walsh and Savannah Fultz, they're the ones that do that. They did a good job. They're doing a great job. It was a lot of fun. I highly recommend everybody attend it next year.

Yeah. There were men, overweight, I don't mean this in a mean way, but like family men, overweight men, they're like, I got to get out of here with the kids. And they were watching. It was so good to see. Sorry.

Okay. The next one I've got is the Dayton Farmers Market Summer Preview Event. We got those flyers. We're going to get those printed out hopefully this week. And we'll get that going. We've already got I'd say at least 10 confirmed vendors with several others that we're going to be reaching out to here tomorrow. Fantastic. So that's exciting. Again, that's just going to be the last Sunday of each month, starting in June, July, August, and September. And then we'll do surveys. So next year we can do a full load. My last one is to kind of touch on the VFW when they came in. Uh, so I was, it was brought to my attention that there was the flags and there was concerns about flags being put around the park for Memorial weekend. Uh, did some research, found Juan had the flags, um, put a meeting together because the, uh, troop expressed interest in possibly helping put the flags out. And they talked about the cemetery as well. Um, so we met at the park on Friday, I believe is when it was. um and we sat down we talked becky was there as well uh we discussed you know the new flags uh holes so i'd have to talk with you guys in the city um i do have access to a concrete guy that can drill the holes and i am 95 certain that he'll look great so there'll be no cost on that um yeah so but that is a discussion that we'll have to have um They also, they being the VFW and the troop, really hit it off. They're partnering up, like she was saying. There is a shed here that VFW has. They offered to share half of it to the troop for the kids to store their stuff. That's awesome. So it was a great meeting. And yeah, a lot of cool things should be coming from it. That's awesome. Thank you.

It feels like that, you know, the VFW, we were sort of at loggerheads with it because of this place. It feels like a reunion. When they were talking about the scouts and everything and it was soft and buzzy, I was like, yeah.

The meeting started out a little rough, but by the end of the meeting, it was a fantastic meeting. That's the stuff we really need. That was good. That's what I got. Excellent.

Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Sorry. Okay. So I got, I got a couple of questions before I jump into this. So Jeremy, for the requests earlier today are either, I mean, obviously the VFW one wouldn't have been built into the budget because this is the first time that we're hearing about it, but was the 2,500 for the fire department built into the budget that we just passed?

It is not. We cut out the community grant program. Eric, we're, However, the final page, if you all want to turn the page 50 in your packets, state resident sharing client is on a miscellaneous expense. $7,000 budgeted.

It's currently unallocated.

Correct. And if you turn to page 48, you have $32,976 cash balance. That's going to go down $5,000 because we HAB-Masyn Moyer- Hello water phone and we have to pay that back so that'll bring that down. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Like $27,000 cash.

HAB-Jacques Juilland- Okay, so reason I asked. HAB-Jacques Juilland- You know, I have this interview, you got to be really helpful on this and I apologize, I haven't been present a lot of part of it, but. HAB-Jacques Juilland- You know I have nothing but admiration wonderful things. to say about, you know, specifications and marketing and contracts, you know, at that $31,000 a year, you know, I think about a lot of the things that we've cut, positions that we've had to cut. I look at, you know, things that we maybe can't do. And that $31,000 as a flex becomes to me a question of what, That serves our community. You know, I look at, so I run marketing for the company that I manage and $2,600 a month is a pretty significant market cost month to month. I mean, and I look at, you know, I look at things on here as scope of services and, you know, like if I'm paying about $2,000 a month, I'm wanting, you know, three social media posts a week. I'm wanting, you know, things that are very, very relevant. We get one month. I just looked. And like a wire run wasn't in anything that we put forward on Discover Dayton. You know, I think that our marketing arm is very important. But I also think that without the tech position, you know, intact, I don't think that we're getting the most out of this contract. You know, and I think about that money. And I think about what could we do for our community with that equivalent money. You know, Treva's position was $22,000. $2,500 for the, you know, fire department chicken dinner. $1,400 for VFW. All of that together is, you know, $25,500. And that still leaves, you know, $6,000 in flex if we cut this contract. You know, I think about the things that our community wants and needs now. You know, and, and marketing it's, it's a, it's a long-term goal. It's a long bill. It's very important, but short-term what our community needs. I'm not sure if this contract is providing in my opinion, what the, what the community needs and wants now. You know, I think that we can circle back to something like this, but like a Discover Data website, I think it's beautiful. I think it's gorgeous. Honestly, I don't know why we have two websites. are the discover Dayton website should just be the city website it's a much better site it's better bills, I would I would advocate spending a little bit of that delta money. And doing a migration from the doctor website or just even incorporating that bill that Miller for the discovery insight into the website and then making it so that. It's just one location. I don't think there's a lot of people that are going to the Discover Dating site right now because to me, if I didn't know, I would think that that's our sitting site or vice versa. I don't think that we necessarily need to have two separate websites that serve different purposes when you can have them potentially, I don't know the .gov restrictions, but when you can potentially integrate them together as a long-term website solution where you can have it all under one umbrella. The marketing side of this, I think, is really important. But I think that we need to be a bit more maybe strategic with it long-term, medium, and short-term. I don't like that one of the big things on this is social media management. And the last post was from May 17th. I don't think that we're getting $2,600 worth a month. when the library assistant position is tangible and it's measurable and it's usable by our community. Same thing can be said for the VFW flag. Same thing can be said for the chicken dinner. Same thing can be said for whatever we choose to use the other $6,000 on. It would be the remainder. I just, I don't know if I'm, I was really hesitant to vote yay on this renewal. And I just, and I don't get the terms and conditions because of the time. It's not like we're locked into a year. But I think we're cutting very important things. And this contract, while important, I don't think we're getting our minds worked out of it. And I would wonder if it's conversation where we should cut this and then move that money to things that are tangible, measurable, and impact the day-to-day life of the community in very, very positive ways. And that's coming from a guy like, I love marketing. I think it's very important. I just wouldn't have titled budget we have right now. I just, I'm just really, I'm not feeling good about this right now. Um, and it's, you know, maybe we circle back on the next year, but like reducing the library's hours, reducing what we can do when like, if you take this away and fund that, I mean, am I missing something here, Jeremy? Are they different funds? Yes. Okay. Can we do a loan from one fund to another fund? No. Okay. So we're paying for this contract out of the transient lodging tax.

And those are statutorily reserved for specific things like this. Now, you do bring up a good point. Are we getting the biggest bang for our buck? And one area where you could use TLT monies is in marketing for tourism. But you can also use it for tourist infrastructure. And this is a point that I alluded to in our first budget community of saving these monies, accumulating them for something like digital training for these big tourist infrastructure goals. So if you're going to make way a trade-off, I think that would be important.

What about, this is a really big thing, we have a lot of kids in high school that are in do tremendous stuff on the computer. What if we could get a kid to do our marketing for a little while? It's easier said than done. No, but I think it's possible. I think it's very possible that we could possibly find somebody to interview for a while or do something like that.

Wouldn't we have a better luck with a college student?

Why are you guys so afraid of the high school kids?

Because I was looking for this when we were looking at hiring a marketing contractor. Brand image is important. And brand image is defined oftentimes by the person doing that work for you.

And who better to represent data than our young people?

Right. But you also have to look at longevity of their tenure in doing that, but also experience. I hear you 100%. I hear you. That would be part of the point is that they get to learn and we get free.

But there's a professionalism aspect to that too. Our high school kids are becoming professionals, but they're not. And if we decide to employ them under that, it's like I was listening to or read an article today about they had to turn a flight around that had left for Spain because there's a high school student on there that had a Bluetooth that said bomb. That's what his name is. So nobody could find a Bluetooth. He wouldn't own the fact that the Bluetooth was a bomb. So they turned the airplane around four hours out of Newark, flew back again, pulled everybody out on the tarmac, and that finally revealed that it's those kinds of judgment issues that really make me question using high school. I mean, as a college person, you're a professional programmer looking to go out into the world and do this. And who knows? There may be that that's actually something that might be doing.

Well, maybe not. New colleges around us that are... Yeah, lots of them.

It's kind of a sweatshop thing, too. It almost feels like... No, but it's a good experience.

And then, I mean, if it's somebody new, that's something they can put on the resume. They can have a portfolio of the, you know, what they've done.

Having a student do it, I'm not against that at all. I'm just saying, but I just thought it might be a good idea.

Let's get creepy. Let's do a college and add the high schooler and they can work together.

Right. It could be actually a program in the high school to a pre-college point. It could be.

I'm just saying it's an opportunity that we can provide to the kids that gives them some sort of professional skill that they can learn.

Yes, ma'am. I really appreciate your comments, Drew, and your perspective and your knowledge about it. I think your comments about the combining of two websites is thought. I think we should explore that knowing nothing about websites, but having two children that are brilliant about it and in the marketing field. I think having professionals do marketing is important. And, you know, maybe having an intern is an okay idea, having, but again, turning it over to untrained people I think is bad. No, I don't mean that. But, but, I really appreciate your perspective and wonder if we can get more bang for our buck on this contract. It does sound extravagant, just in terms of what we're getting done. We'll evaluate that. I don't know if they have an evaluation system for us to say, hey, I don't know any of that relationship with the city council.

Would it just be a matter of looking at whatever people have to offer and then canceling contracts?

I think I want to know exactly what this council wants. What is our marketing strategy? What are our marketing goals? I don't think we've asked those questions. Yeah, I agree.

Not as a city, we haven't.

And paying. I think Dave was really locked in on that. credit to him, but I think that we, in his absence, I don't think that we have an alignment follow-up to that right now. I think that paying that amount of money when we're out of alignment I think just hurts us. I do have a question though, Jeremy, if I may. So when we talk about the TLT funding and the general fund relationship, so you just said the TLT funding marketing or marketing infrastructure.

Tourism. Tourism has a very specific definition.

What is that definition?

That definition is somebody who travels 50 or more miles away or is an overnight person who stays overnight.

Okay. And when we talk about, like, infrastructure, are we talking about physical infrastructure or are we talking, can it be, like, what is the tourism infrastructure? So, like, the fireworks show, for example. Like, I see the tourism piece of that being applicable here. Is that something that could be adjusted over to the TLT fund?