Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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agenda no changes Mr chair okay all right commissioners we have two sets of minutes to approve it's okay let's take one at a time the approval for our regular meeting of February 6th I'll make a motion yes sir second to approve the minutes of the February 6 2025 meeting Vander Heiden second okay motion the second any discussion seeing none all in favor say I I any opposed okay and then we have the special meeting of the same date Mr chair I'd like to make that motion thank you to approve the minutes of the February 6 2025 special meeting thank you very much I have a motion second very good motion and second any discussion seeing none all in favor say I I very good thank you okay so next is our consent agenda so we have one item on our consent agenda agenda and this item will be enacted with one one motion one roll call vote of the commission there'll be no separate discussion for this one item unless a commission member or a member of the public so request um to have it removed from the agenda and then we will hear whole the pre is full presentation for that particular item and it is just that one item for all of you in the public that see it that one item is there anybody that wants to uh see that presented yes sir yes

okay so this one this one item on the major site plan for the medical office is that the one we're talking about Sir okay are we ready so we'll take that um yeah we'll take that immediately after we do the public comments thank you okay very good so we've pulled everything from the consent agenda so we'll move on to the public comments portion so this portion is for anybody from the public that would like to uh make a comment to the commission about anything but what's on our agenda when we each of the items on our agenda we'll we'll have an opportunity for the public to address um if you'd like but if there's anything else that you'd like to to comment to the uh commission please step forward and uh we'd love to hear from you okay seeing none I'll close the public comment portion and we will begin our new business section with this major site plan DSA 2400 149 for medical office building on 1 and2 acres in the monument Village planned area development who's got that one that is one of my items tonight all right all right good evening chair and public tonight I'll be presenting DSA 24149 this is the Casa Grande medical office building it is for a major site plan uh the C consider a request by David B Robbins for the major site plan DSA 24149 to construct an approximately 7,595 ft medical office building on

approximately 1.5 Acres of undeveloped land in the monument Village planned area development uh this see here's the site um we have a monument Village Circle Drive um oh you can't see that so Monument Monument Plaza Circle here um and the uh development will sit right in here on this corner lot um here is the site plan we got the building center uh situated in the center here there is a loading Bay to the north of the building they be expecting mostly medium to large uh box box trucks um but it will have the capacity to take in a fulls sizee semi um it uh has a frontage on Monument Circle Monument Plaza Circle um they will they be adding sidewalks and other rideway improvements um so the items that we look at during our review process um are here before you um tonight I want to take a look at three of them the first one being relationship of the plan elements to conditions both on and off the property uh this property is this property is located within the phase one block one area of the monument Village planned area development uh pad the section of Monument Village was planned to be Monument Plaza it was designed to be 32 lots of a half igger or larger for offices or general business uses uh the proposed use meets the intent of the land use designation for this portion of Monument Village the site is

currently undeveloped land uh there is a single family residential uh subdivision development to the west or the rear of this particular site um and the other adjacent lots are currently undeveloped um I said before the site has Frontage along West Monument Plaza Circle it is approximately 900 ft from East McMurray Boulevard in both the East and North directions um and that will come up so uh traffic statement was prepared oh this second thing I would like to discuss is the impact of the plan on the existing and anticipated traffic and parking conditions uh traffic statement was prepared for this development and accepted by the city's traffic engineer uh the traffic traffic statement estimated that the proposed CAG Grande medical office development is anticipated to generate 261 weekday trips with uh 26 trips occurring during the weekday am peak hours and 32 occurring during the weekday PM peak hours and the required parking has been reviewed by staff and is adequate in type and quantity to meet City parking requirements so this is a kidney dialysis Treatment Center so the majority of their patients will be driven in by a family member or caregiver or some service where they will be there for a few hours while they do their uh dialysis treatment and then they will leave the premises there will be no overnight care there's no um long-term stays this is uh simply uh come in get treated and head out type environment um and then uh building location and height the proposed Medical Center has a varying height roof line uh the highest building elevation is 25 ft with the majority of the building having a height between 18 and 22 feet uh these Heights are under the maximum allowed

height for the pad zone of 35 ft so they they they could be 35 ft as zoned um but like I said they've got a a decorative kind of front awning for dropping off and picking up patients um and that's got 25 fet but the majority of the building sits very between 18 and 20 feet um so public notification uh was sent out as well as posted in the newspaper a sign was required and posted at the site uh this morning staff received one email regarding questions regarding the block wall and the building setbacks um they wanted to know um if there was some plan by the developer for uh changes to the block wall and then uh what was the building setback and then later on in this afternoon I received a phone call from the silverhawk Community Association uh with General concerns about any uh negative effects that this project May have on the adjacent homes so that's the subdivision development to the West directly behind this um development um some of the uh concerns that they specifically stated were um concerns about the existing block wall um should they do some kind of landscape treatment or drainage treatment or anything that developer might do that may negatively impact the structural stability of the wall or that may raise the grade um so that the 6ot wall that provides privacy would no longer be quite six feet um and that's a the valid concern so and then the other concerns were privacy is that uh they they've got the homeowners there have a six- foot block wall if there were some kind of grade change uh that six feet could become less and they want to make sure that that does not become the case and

then uh possible new light um I believe that there's a street light going in with this plus the light from the building so this will um provide more light than what is currently there they did turn in the photometry uh plan and that was reviewed and approved uh so that meets our standards for light um but there still a concern um at this time stack staff recommend that the Planning Commission approves uh major site plan DS a 24149 to construct the approximate 7595 ft medical office building on the approximately 1 and a half acres of undeveloped land in Monument Village planned area development at this time are there any questions and I have some extra information if you need it okay Commissioners any questions for staff okay seeing none let me back up for for you all the process that we'll be carrying out is uh generally like you're seeing we'll have the staff present um the commission will um ask the staff some questions then we will ask the the uh representative the developer or their representative to come forward and hear their comments and then I will open up for public comments um during those public comments we so that everybody has an opportunity we'd like you to limit your comment to 3 minutes and if you can please don't um don't repeat the things that somebody else has already brought to our attention if if possible and so we everybody will have plenty of time so we're in the middle of that process right now is the applicant their representative here would they like to speak to us come on

up if you could give us your name and address for the record yeah my name is Dave Robbins uh address is 2929 North 44th Street okay S 350 Phoenix 85018 okay anything you'd like to add no as far as the the grades at the block wall I mean I can verify those but I can assure you that we will not raise the grade to where privacy is an issue okay anything else uh Commissioners any questions for um could you address address the uh um the neighbors uh concerns about the setbacks well yeah what were the concerns we have set it back per uh city ordinance I believe yes so they are set back 30 feet which is um adequate okay and then the 30 yeah okay does that okay just so we don't miss anything that these folks want right thank you no that's great anything else no all right thank you sir thank you appreciate it okay now I'd like to open uh open the session for public comments about this particular particular issue anybody from the public would like to address this issue please come come on up to the front give us your name and address for the record thank you Mr chairman my name is Rick Underwood I live at 1084 North Desert Willow Street kasan it's in this de silverhawk development that you see to the west side of this property thank you for the work you do I really appreciate Mr Leonard and the work that he did I spoke with him this afternoon he did a very good job what we would like to do is not this this looks like a great program a great build Etc but we would

like to be able to have the opportunity that we have not had to discuss our concerns with the developer it shouldn't be something that would be difficult to do rather than take up your meeting time because if we do the same thing as a board of for the association we're not looking to spend all night so if we would be able to speak with Mr Robbins and kind of work out whatever concerns the neighbors would have it would be wonderful and we' greatly appreciate that they have to do with we have some experience with other developments damaging our property specifically our walls uh leading to things where people's privacy is jeopardized such as with their wife and daughter out in the swimming pool in the back and people are look standing they're looking over a short fence and the fence being deteriorated because of damage and also creating violations of city code regarding the fence by the developer so we would like to avoid those problems and take care of it before they happen rather than deal with them later so that's really our request okay thank you thank you anybody else from the public like to address this issue okay seeing none I'll close the public portion of the meeting Commissioners thoughts I'm just going to ask did any I do like a little meeting ahead of time for that project at all or was no neighborhood thing or uh let me ask Sam to review with you what the public notification was with the process so Sam can you cover that with the commission please absolutely so um P city code we did post notice in the newspaper um 14 days prior um so that went out in the uh Custer gry dispatch then um in addition to that a sign the large yellow public hearing

notice sign that was posted on the site at least 10 days prior as well and then staff sent out mailers um um that same 14 10 to 14 days prior um postcards to everybody who has an address with the panal county assessor's office that is within 300 feet of the development um until this time I had not heard um any concerns so I did not schedule a a public meeting um in regards to this development gotta okay fa yes well fair enough fa chairman quick question for Sam yes yeah go ahead I was just going to ask what's the issue with the F I'm not seeing so the I believe um the the concern is that with the the structure of the concrete so the two things that either the grade will effectively make the 6ot wall less than or that if you plant too close and that it is not L sealed that the water leakage may cause structural damage to the existing fence so wouldn't they have done that to on their side of the fence too on the development side I would assume so but I think the concern is that if you don't do it on both sides then it's could be a problem is it something we I believe that this is should be standard Landscaping practice yeah um but I'm not I'm not a landscaper I can't you let me ask let me ask Sam a couple questions helped to clarify Sam uh on this project are they going to build a new black wall along their West boundary or they going to use the one for the residential subdivision that

exists as it is planned they were going to uh leave the existing block wall okay and so and the requirement is for that to be a six foot wall so that true that is correct okay so under our code if if let's say on this site for the kidney dialysis building if they filled a foot MH now that wall is a 5ft wall it's no longer a six foot wall we require measurement of to the adjacent grade on both sides so if they were if the issue is oh it's not going to be a six foot wall because they're going to do fill we would we would require them in that case to build a Sixt wall right right um so they can't adjust the grade so the wall is no longer 6 foot so that now whether or not the irrigation for this uh Landscaping that you see here has any impact on the wall I I can't tell you right um but uh I like you mentioned I'm as I look at the neighborhood on the other side I'm sure there's Landscaping on that side of the wall as well so um there may or may not be an irrigation impact with the wall but the Wall height issue the wall will be 6 feet on on both sides and I'd like to add one more thing about um privacy um on the screen I have the rear elevation of the proposed building and so on the top picture it is the South Side so this would be South away from the development um the bottom one would be the rear um and there's limited windows and the windows that there are are um below that 6t Mark so it this not as if there is a second story that will have people um peeking down and I can understand that concern we all don't want people looking over our fences um this building is not designed in such a way that from the

inside of the building um that they would be able to do that and the in the landscape plan here um they didn't provide any type of um uh visiting area or space where you would invite people to come and sit um so again I don't know that the foot traffic would be very minimal on that F side that is adjacent to the fence and then one more thing about the drainage is that um we can see that the detention area and the swes are um so this is tilted um North would be to the right um and the uh it's designed to drain Rin towards the North and towards the street as the main retention for the development is across MCM Boulevard so for them to drain properly it needs to be moving towards the street so there are a lot of things already in place that will help limit the chance of any kind of property damage okay got it and yeah I have a quick question Sam or Paul maybe you can answer this is that typical practice where you're using the existing block wall that surrounds the subdivision rather than having them reconstruct to ensure the Integrity of the wall commissioner Garo you know that's probably a um a 5050 scenario you know what we don't want is having you know no man's man land between two parallel walls right so whether or not would we could we build build could they require them to build an adjacent 6ot wall that was right next to the existing one you could does that what what does that

offer I'm not sure um no additional screening that's for sure right but uh you could require that if you wanted to um it's a cost savings for them to use the existing wall versus building a new one right um but sometimes they use the existing wall sometimes we do additional walls but typically when we do the additional wall we require that there's some kind of landscaping that's put on the outside of that wall and there's like a green area for walking trail or something like that so it doesn't make much sense to us to have two walls that are just touching each other at the same height exactly that's what I was Wonder okay anything else and where is the light going to be this light that they were talking talking about so there will be a traffic or a street light um oh and I believe it it's going to be in the front of the building okay off top my head I cannot tell you if it's on the west side or the east side of the road okay um I wasn't sure if it was in the back that so there should not be any significant at least not that I'm aware of lighting um issues um coming off the back of the building um okay we do require all our lighting fixtures to be full C cut offs and shielded and so that there's no light trespass off the boundary of the site that is one of our our lighting code requirements okay perfect thank you okay okay very good okay okay being said chair I'll make a motion thank you sir like to make a motion that the commission approv major site plan

ds-24 149 to construct the uh medical office building second okay I have a motion and a second any discussion on the motion okay soing done please call the roll member Smith I member alet I member vender Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes okay thank you good luck with the project thank you sir for your input thank you Commissioners I think it it was I think it was helpful for all of us to understand it was I think it was great thank you okay next on our agenda we'll consider and have a public hearing for a request from M kimley horn on behalf of PSC storage 4 and a half acres vacant B2 zone property on Florence Boulevard DSA 24 184 185 and 183 um okay J good evening Mr chairman and members of the Planning Commission so as you introduced this site there are three applications in front of you this evening pertaining to a proposed storage facility located on what's considered an infill site along the south side of Florence Boulevard known as PSC storage here we go the applicant is seeking approval to develop a 4.5 Acre Site for this facility a little bit more

information about it is is it will be interior accessed and climate controlled it's three stories standing at 35t tall it's a 120,000 ft building and will be providing 14 parking spaces situated in front of the building this is a snippet of the proposed building elevations I'm going to talk about this a little bit more on an upcoming slide but that top image is what would be seen from view of Florence Boulevard the middle image is what is seen from the south this site to the South is bordered by a residential subdivision and then the bottom image are the two side views the East and West elevations it's nice to have an assistant thanks yeah um so the three applications that we're going to be talking about are a conditional use permit that because the property is within the B2 Zone and Self Storage is allowed in the B2 Zone subject to planning commission's approval of a conditional use permit we're also going to talking about the major site plan which is another requirement for development within the B2 zoning that sets forth and illustrates and verifies compliance with the code and then they also have submitted a preliminary plat to combine portions of previously platted property into one parcel so I'm going to talk about the conditional use permit first when

considering conditional use permits there's four criteria that have to be evaluated and the staff report goes into these in Greater detail but the first criteria that we look at is that the site for the proposed use is adequate in size and topography to accommodate the use and and all yard spaces walls Etc to ensure that this site properly relates to other land uses within the vicinity so we're always sensitive about commercial development when next to residential development as you can see on this aerial a single family neighborhood sits to the South this area is zoned B2 which accommodates a wide variety of commercial uses from retail to Hotel uses restaurants Etc since this site sits internal and not immediate a budding Florence it does present a challenge because no one no one likes to develop retail on those lots because you can't really see it from from the street so self storage is a really good transitional use between uses found along Florence which tend to be more intense and uses further to the South which are single family residential uses this is not known to generate a lot of traffic a traffic analysis was provided and reviewed by our traffic engineer and found that it it has a low trip generation uh the properties that are more affected by the traffic are the commercial Parcels that sit between this and Florence because they will be Reliant upon this site will be Reliant

upon accessing those lots for access to Florence Boulevard however there is a recorded access easement in place allowing for that cross traffic um the other Nuance to the review criteria associated with conditional use permits for self storage is there's a unique set of criteria when it pertains to just self storage within the B2 it has a special set of setbacks it has special requirements in terms of walls and land landcaping as well as architecture so in this case it is required to have a 35 ft front setback they're providing a 160t building setback from their front property line that would be the north property line and then the setbacks from residential is required to be essentially 45 ft um they are 62 ft from the southern neighborhood meeing that requirement and then again for a 35t tall building I always look at it as as a good relationship is at least one foot of setback for every foot of Building height um our codee's even greater than that and that it requires a 45 ft setback from that area but they're they're even beyond that at 62 oh is it working now thank you um the other requirement is Landscaping is particular to Self Storage there is a requirement for their we adjacent to residential there needs to be at least a 15 ft landscape bu buffer or the height of the building

whatever is greater so from the South Boundary there is 35 ft of landscaping provided because the building is 35 ft tall and it does run the entire width of the parcel um even though the self storage facility only sits towards the Eastern you know 23s of the site staff is in agreement with the applicant and Planning Commission does have the ability to not require Landscaping where adjacent to Urban Ranch property um the area that I highlighted in pink on the west or left side of the site is adjacent to Urban Ranch zone property we didn't find that Landscaping in that area was particularly necessary because Urban Ranch is a very low density residential Zone district and it likely will not develop as an urban Ranch Zone um in fact one of my other items this evening is for a zone change um on one of those Parcels to accommodate another use so we're comfortable with um not putting in landscaping in that Western area and we we feel that the majority of the landscape focus should be in the area where it has been provided there's also some requirements for walls and really when you look through the Self Storage ordinance that's more so pertaining to self storage facilities where you have exterior access the type of storage facilities that we're used to throughout the community that are single story and have a series of um overhead doors that are access with an access

Drive um in between the buildings um in this case the structure itself serves as the walls so they are relying on the existing subdivision wall to the cell for screening um they just like the site that you heard just before this item they're not proposing a separate independent wall but there will be Landscaping that sits between that wall and the U building uh because to the east it opens onto another shopping center there wasn't necessarily a requirement for a wall there and we're not recommending a wall along the west boundary that borders the urban Ranch just simply because like I said those lots are likely to develop to a more intense use at a at a point in the future and then there are very specifics with regard to elevations for self storage facilities in the B2 subject to a conditional use permit there's a lot of um verbage in the code that talks about ensuring that you do not have long planes of of blank facades or flat um non undulated facades and so the app provided these elevations to show how the architecture is kept vibrant on all four of the elevations there was particular focus on the south elevation because that building would be seen by the residential dwellings to the South um so they've utilized a type of architecture that gives the appearance of Windows in terms of those grids without them actually being windows but it adds visual interest as opposed to seeing the blank wall um they've added a

mixture of colors to the building there are cornices above those faux window popouts as you can see um the dark that darker brown horizontal color and there's also a stack stone band on the lower portion of um all four elevations and this again just shows you what you're looking at here the front sides and back I'm moving on to the major site plan review criteria now a lot of the criteria associated with the conditional use permit overlaps with the major site plan so I'm not going to focus on anything that is redundant but I do want to talk about the conformance with the general plan as well as revisiting the traffic and parking conditions criteria so with regard to conformance with the general plan this site sits within the community Corridor category um within the community Corridor category it supports a mixture of uses from intense multifam residential development to Commercial and Retail development Self Storage is considered an appropriate use especially as a transitional use between as I was mentioning more intense uses to the north along Florence and the single family development to the South with regard to the um anticipated traffic and parking conditions as I mentioned this is determined to be a low traffic generator and the access easement that has been provided does allow two access points to get out to Florence Boulevard um I should also note that this has been reviewed by

um All City agencies including fire and that is why there is that um circular route around the building because of the size of the building it ensures that there's um full coverage in the event of an emergency or a fire the last item that you're considering associated with this project is the preliminary plat so this this site was originally part of the Granada fig Farms plat that is 97 years old as of January and um as the city has grown of course it has been portions of it has have been replanted um because obviously it doesn't look like this layout today especially along Florence Boulevard what you're seeing on the screen is a plat that was done about 15 years ago that was a three lot plat but this site actually takes up the southern lot and two of those older platted lots to the East and so that's really what is necessitating a repat and so the preliminary plat that is submitted essentially just um is used to combine not only the two Parcels as they exist today but to place this property on its own own singular platted lot and it helps us ensure that there um is appropriate Connections in terms of access not only for vehicular travel but also for utilities regarding the notification process we met that which is required by code um I have not received any comments however I do understand that there is someone who has a

presentation um this evening to speak an opposition of this um but I would be happy to answer any questions uh regarding that regarding the recommendations there's there's three that you're being asked to consider tonight the first one pertains to the conditional use permit staff is um asking for Planning Commission to approve this conditional use permit there was a typo in the in the cover sheet memo because it reference to um assisted living facility and obviously what you're being asked for here is the self storage facility and then we're also asking you to approve the major site plan um subject to a condition requiring that the final plat um for this would have to be approved by city council um and and kind of the the hook for that is that no temporary or nor nor no final certificate ocupy shall be issued until the final plat has been recorded and then we're also asking you to approve the preliminary plat and I'd be happy to answer any questions all righty thank you yes I every one um Jim regarding that elevation that you're showing on that screen right now you mentioned something about um facade on that is there it from what I'm looking at it looks like three individual stories is it are there Floors level levels on there then there are okay so and then what is the access to the top level is it all stairs the the applicant can speak to that I I do not know if there's an elevator since it's a storage facility and people have a lot of stuff I would

imagine there are that's I was kind of wondering so but there are three individual floors okay that's all okay thanks any other questions for staff oh all right in that case would the applicant or their representative please come forward give us your name and address for the record good evening Wells Stanwick uh 2404 Beach Ridge Road okay perfect um firstly I want to thank staff um for everything they've done up to date you guys have been uh first class uh so thank Jim and his team you guys have been awesome and thank you for having us here tonight and happy to answer any questions okay so to answer your question we'll have two elevators in the building so typically they're located right at those two front entrances you bring your stuff in we have the elevators there so that you can bring your stuff up to one of the three floors okay need okay anything else yes yeah I have one question in regards to the um entrances and exits he said to Florence bouevard are those particular exit exits excuse me are they gated so as of right now there's no Gates on there because we have to allow cross access through the front parking lot you you can see right there it goes right across that's how you get the cross access between the parcels on the west side and the East Side uh as of right now no proposed Gates though okay okay okay any other questions for him all right all right thank you very much appreciate it now I'd like to open the public portion of this meeting anyone that would like to address this issue please

come forward come on up [Music] give us your name and address for the record okay um good evening chairman and good evening Planning Commission my name is Antonio Cortez I live on 1634 East Crystal Street probably wondering who's this kid I am one of the lucky members to live on the street and and um be affected by this building and um see here I'm just going to overview some of my feedback um right here I don't want to get into too many details but what we know everything you've already spoken about um the max height from what I've got from the schematics that you have shared with residents that that will be 35 ft at its highest and from what I got it'll be 32 ft south of the building since there's a bit of an incline from the front to the back uh maximum length of 330 ft and these are all just estim from my end but also from schematics I've also um uh got here okay um again uh just a little bit more detail on the plan here uh the buff buffard total width is 35 ft as as you disclosed I found that it's 26 feet for the Road Again everything's all disclosed public information um with a 62t residential setback um go ahead next yeah and so what on on my end what I did is that I used Google Earth you know like what you guys do just put an overlay of the schematics just to get a general idea and um I tried to achieve accuracy with the ruler tool using the guide provided on the paper um and so and then using a 3D software I went ahead and recreated the building Southside um just to schema you know just to get a general idea of what this would look like in our area because it was just bothering me like what would it look like you know and then um so yeah go ahead next so um using Google Earth I'm able to see exactly what this would look like from a residential's point of

view um right here is a simulated view from an impacted resident's backyard and so I hope the results speak for themselves that you discussed that it is a fairly big building standing at 35 ft tall um again another vi from another impact residence backyard I only here to give feedback because I believe the building's just a little too big for uh and and obstructive for a lot of residents in the area um again here's another simulated view of the impacted residents on East Crystal Street uh this could be the view of also residents across the street as well it's again speaks for themselves um and of course here's a simulated view facing north of North Kimberly driveing East Melissa Street I found that the building could also be seen three blocks down so that was just a bit of a concern on M end um and I went ahead and simulated the street view of impacted residents uh by combining both the real street view map through Google and the simulated one provided through gal Earth and and just to get a better general idea of more realistic Outlook of what that would look like um so my main issue what I'm addressing to you guys that I just think the building's Too Tall you know um it stands at a maximum feet of maximum height of 35 ft uh 32 towards the South um and and just as a reference I went ahead and just took the 3D model and started placing around local buildings in the area such as Banner hospital and and it's just it's huge I mean I don't know what much I would really want to say 62 ft behind your house I just feel like that's just way too obstructive um and of course you guys have detailed that there will be PL a landscape buffer that will be planted by trees um and and it's just fully obstructed uh the houses behind the Dollar Tree have almost double that width compared to us and I'm just worried that there won't the trees will take forever to grow and they won't be tall enough or cluster enough to fully obstruct the three-story self storage building from residents um yeah sorry I'm going on my time um another thing just to consider I'm no expert but I just food for thought um sun and wind could impact the residents in the home uh of homes intense you know

intense sunlight during the summer could reflect off the 32t South wall into yards and houses you know glaring Sun we live in Arizona um and that could maybe theoretically raise temps as well for residents and of course strong winds brought about by monsoons could affect homes because we do have a lot of gusts that go kind of ch through North kimal Drive and I'm just wondering again food for thought that the wind might kind of have an impact there maybe like a a tunneling effect and then my last point right here is that lights might be too bright nothing was disclosed of how the building will be illuminated but I'm going to assume that it will be and I'm just worried that it might be too bright for residents many who have bedroom windows facing the south side of the building all right and um my last slide is next thank you thank you for your time all right thank you well done good presentation [Music] yeah anybody else like to address this issue okay anybody else okay seeing none I'll close the public portion and bring it back to the commission Commissioners I have a question for yes please so Jim can you explain why the buffer made why it's so large on the front and not the back is it just because of that weird chamfer parking situation with the trash enclosure for the other lot or was there a reason why they kept the buffer so large in the front so I I was wondering that too because it on one of the screens it showed that there's a 160t set back from the front property line whereas there's only a 62 ft set back from the rear um the applicant may be able to better explain it because I'm going off of my memory from earlier discussions but I think there's some

encumbrances on the front part of the lot uh where specific utilities cross because there there is a utility line that's coming from the East going from east to west and so uh or a sewer line I should say um so that that might there might have been some utility issu isues that largely um position the building okay um the the dollar stored to the east has a height of what I would have to check but it's not a it's not a three-story structure of course that's what um I can't remember I I I I I don't want to guess and be wrong it's probably because it's a big box retail it's probably 23 24 okay and how how high is Walmart a little probably the same like I I mean I can get all that information for you but is it three is it three stories high too the Walmart mm or is it two well it's I mean it's just a Flor to ceiling structure but I don't know what the I know they have I know they have pretty tall ceilings in there but yeah mhm okay okay okay could the uh could the owner representative come forward again you're not him I wasn't around when the Fig Farms were uh on this this property I'm I'm Rick Miller um address is 1559 East Brenda drive I'm representing the land owner thank you uh who is actually in escro to sell the property to this to this applicant um been advising the applicant and the land owner through this process

and I think the your planning staff has done a remarkable job on uh assisting with the design of this site to mitigate the concerns now the graphics that you've seen I applaud the young man who stood up here and you know worked really hard to share some images don't know that those images are going to necessarily look like that um from the uh you know none of those show the landscaping and the landscape buffer that will soften the appearance of the back of the building uh the applicant is not requesting any deviations from your existing zoning code uh we're at a conditional use permit allowing to to requesting a a use that that really has very low impact uh from as has been stated from a traffic standpoint you probably couldn't ask for a better neighbor in terms of the intensity of the use as James has mentioned before I will tell you that in talking to the owner he just spent $1,000 cleaning up a homeless camp that was in the back back there in the retention area this is a blighted area it's very difficult uh property because of it's as James has mentioned it is a infield property um you know you're not going to find too many uses back there that would uh that would need the exposure to uh the Florence Boulevard Frontage but you know you could have uses that that are higher or or 35 ft without a conditional use permit I think uh James mentioned before for you could potentially have a hotel or other facilities within that zoning District that would be far worse in terms of of the intensity of the use and the and the um the impact that it might have on the adjoining neighborhood I think the applicant has done a tremendous job in and working with the planning staff to minimize the visual uh look of a blank long blank wall um again a lot of that can be mitigated through through the landscaping and um you I really don't have anything more to add to the comments I think the uh the planning staff uh has done a great job

in in mitigating the concerns that that have been addressed today again I'm not sure that the images that you're looking at I mean if you were looking down on on an aerial photograph of this facility look monstrous you know compared to the neighbors that are next door um you there are other other properties like this where you you have commercial a budding residential and we do the best we can to mitigate those concerns through setbacks and their their setback is far greater than the city code requires and again they're going to put plenty of landscaping can't move the building forward because of the Cross access easements that was asked cross access access easements are there the parking is to the front all the circulation to this building is to the front there really be no access for anyone to the rear uh creating any kind of a neighborhood concern other than potentially an emergency vehicle that might need to get back there in the case of the fire uh that's why the fire lane is back there in the back happy to answer any other questions you might have yes let me ask a question to Jim but stay up there Rick just um what as far as the landscape planting requirement what size tree do they need to plant initially when they do their constru gallon okay now Planning Commission can add condition because this is a conditional use permit to require a larger size planting the preliminary landscape plan is all that we have at this time their next step should this be approved is to submit a final landscape plan where it can be fine-tuned um and I would as the reviewer of the final landscape plan have the discretion to suggest some

things that would that could augment it a little bit more even without a condition per se for example immediately to the south of the building um there may be some opportunity to add some more planting so on the other side of that fire access drive just to provide some plantings right in front of the building I don't know if that if that's being I know it looks visually like a sidewalk so um that might not be practical but I as the reviewer of that might have them add additional materials in certain places we did something similar I think with the hotel property at the prominade increasing the size of the planting requirement I can't remember if that was it but I was just thinking that would be a good compromise is planting something a little more substantial initially so we don't have to wait five years for it to grow I can speak for the applicant of the developer but I would think that if James is looking for a little larger box type tree that that would be a reasonable accommodation that could be made I that's my suggestion yeah okay um okay we'll get into that when you get to a motion when you didn't know how to how to describe it um okay any Commissioners anything [Music] else for the applicant representative all right thank you all right shair I'd like to make a motion great i' like to make a motion to approve DSA 24183 the preliminary plat request I I was going in order for the number so um the conditional use

permit would be first preferably or does it matter we we can do the plat first since he made a motion okay that'll be fine okay I have a motion second okay thank you motion to Second any more discussion on the preliminary plot hearing none please call the role member Smith I member aldret I member vender Hayden yes m member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza hi chairman Benedict yes all right chairman yes I'll make a motion to this I'm assuming this is the motion that doesn't need the planting requirement but motion to approve the conditional use permit and its Associated resolution to allow self storage facility DSA 24184 okay second if if we're wanting to do to change the Landscaping would that be major sight plan appropriate or the conditional use attorney I think you can do it at the conditional use make it a condition of the approval of the use so your motion would you like to add so what would be the way so staff what would be the way to describe a bigger I mean there's there's various sizes of trees um and there's 15 gallon which is our is what the code currently requires is the minimum but then the next size up is um 24 in and that refers to the box that it comes in and then the size up from that and it starts getting you know because it's it comes that much further

matured is 36 inch okay so 24 to 36 do we know sounds reason so okay let me you want to do you want to change your motion yes I'll amend my motion motion to approve don't amend it just change your motion motion to approve the conditional use permit and Associated resolution to allow the self storage facility DSA 24184 with the condition of the planting on the southern border be 24in box landscape second second all right okay I have a motion in a second with that condition any discussion okay seeing none please call the RO member Smith I member aldr I member Vander Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes all right we got one more chairman I'll make a motion thank you I'd like to make a motion to approve major site plan DSA 24185 subject to the following condition okay I have a motion second and there second any discussion on the motion seeing none please call the role member Smith I member ALR I member Vander Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes motion passes uh thank you appreciate your input um that's was helpful in the discussion hopefully some of the changes

we can make that we've been able to add will be helpful in uh in living together living with what's what's coming thank you all right next we will consider and have a public hearing on a request by Maxwell engineering on behalf of Riley R muen the 2 acre property west of the Terminus of East Crystal Street otherwise known as okay so there's a so zone change conditional use permit major site plan preliminary plat I think uh Jim I think that's you Jim yes well so what was nice about this is I got to use a lot of the same aerial imagery as my last presentation so this is a request to accommodate an assisted living facility otherwise known as a group home use within the city code um to develop the proposed assisted living facility there's four applications that I'll be discussing this evening the applicant is seeking approval to develop this Assisted Living facility on a 2 Acre Site and it would be for senior residents with memory challenges I'll just walk through this a little bit it's going to mirror the development that already exists to the South it's the same agency same company but they are proposing the construction of two singl story buildings that will each be just over 9,000 square ft in size there would be a total of 32 units accommodating for um the inpatient residency the buildings stand at 23 ft in height but are single story and they are proposing 36 parking

spaces as you can see this is yet another infill site that would get its access via East Crystal the existing site to the South gets its access um via gallery and this site would get its own access through Crystal however um between the North site and the South site they are identifying and proposing an access Drive behind the buildings to link the two sites together for internal circulation of the of the properties these applications um are required to consider this facility a zone change because the property is currently zoned Urban Ranch Urban Ranch Zone does not allow this type of use so the requested Zone district is R2 similar to or identical to what the property to the South is zoned within the R2 Zone group homes are still not permitted by right they're subject to a consideration of a conditional use permit so that's the other application being considered this evening and then third we have consideration of the major site plan which approves for the actual location of the buildings and parking and drainage Etc and then this site also is subject to a preliminary plat because it falls within that old Granada fig Farms subdivision so a little bit about the zone change as I said this property currently is Zone Urban Ranch as you can see um there is some existing Urban Ranch to the um West thank you I was actually

wondering if if the map is wrong and it's Urban Ranch to the north I believe I believe that is but that aside there is that that sliver of property to the West um it's not owned by these developers um but that would be the last remaining strip of urban Ranch to the West um should this zone change be approved and then you have um B2 at least to the Northeast and then you do have a single family residential Zone to the East and then it's also um encompassed by the Fiesta Grande RV Resort planned area development Zone staff is recommending two conditions of record associated with the zone change should you um opt to forward a recommendation to city council to approve this zone change and these are the same conditions that were placed on the R2 zone property that sits to the South to accommodate the existing Senior Living facility the first recommended condition is that the any principally permitted use for this property shall be limited to single family homes meeting r two zoning standards and the second condition is that conditional uses that are submitted or requested the only ones of those that are allowed on the property shall be limited to assisted living or nursing homes meeting R2 zoning standards when reviewing zone changes there's three criteria that are looked at and they're all centered around compliance with the city's General plan this property sits within the Community Corridor land use designation of the kasag Grande 2030 General plan and there

is a specific guiding principle found that states support development or vacant infill lots that can be efficiently and effectively served by Municipal services this is a great use for a lot that has some access challenges um it it is a type of development that can primarily get its access from a local street so it really wouldn't be conducive to support an intense use but as an assisted living facility that's providing um impatient residency for memory challenged individuals it's very low traffic other than deliveries to the site the staff and any guests and the architecture is very compatible with the single family residential to the east um this is an example of the of one of the two existing buildings and this site proposes similar architecture with that craftsman style it has features that um look or relate to a residential building um and it's at and it's all single story a rezoning conforms to the general plan it proposes densities and intensities within a range of identified uses of the general plan so what this section relates to is again compatibility um Community Corridor is designed to accommodate fairly high density development but this is a nice upper medium density type development the third criteria that we look at with regard to zone change is that it's necessary and proper at this time to meet the land use

needs of the residents of the city so Copper Sky assisted living is seen as providing a valuable service to Citizens with memory impairment and it accomplishes this in a tucked away setting um which provides a great use for this challenged property and like I mentioned on the previous screen it really wouldn't be appropriate for more intense use es so this is considered an ideal fit I'm moving on to the review criteria associated with the conditional use permit so conditional use permits are subject to these criteria and the staff report goes into these in Greater detail but I do want to talk about how this site relates in size to adjacent properties so they are providing a setback of 15 ft from the residential neighborhood to the East and again with it being low profile it it Blends into the surrounding area very well and most of their landscape treatment is provided in between the existing residences and these dwellings there is a condition um that we are recommending associated with this conditional use permit and it does have to do with impact on adjacent properties as a result of our public notice efforts we did receive a comment from a resident who lives on Christina street it's the street right in the middle that street does not have access to this site it's blocked off and what they observed is as traffic goes to the existing facility they get lost because

they they have the perception that all streets go through they Meander through the neighborhood they don't make it down to Valerie but what happens is they end up just parking at the end of the streets and walking to the facility they had observed that there's plenty of parking but instead of just driving on the correct Street they park at the end of it so there is a recommended condition that signage indicating local traffic only or similar verbage be placed at appropriate intersections in this neighborhood per the review of the public works department and when looking at it both Crystal and Valerie are the only two East West streets here with access to arizola so I think what the problem is some of that problem might be mitigated now that both streets will have connectivity to this development but in the event that um this traffic is taking these other roads we felt that's maybe some some Street information signage might be helpful the other recommended condition is that um the conditional uses allowed on this property shall be limited to assisted living facilities or nursing homes meeting R2 standards when reviewing major site plans I'm moving on to the the third application these are the criteria that gets evaluated um now a lot of the criteria are repetitive with what I covered on the other two applications so I'm only going to focus on the building location and the Landscaping which I already kind of touched on but here's another um rendition of the building elevations for the facility and then this is a breakdown the table below shows you how they're complying with um setbacks U as you can see the required setbacks from the East Southwest and

north um are all much smaller than the provided setbacks that are in bold there are more than meeting the um required minimum setbacks and then in the requested R2 Zone District the maximum height is 28 ft and they are coming in at 23 ft with regard to the Landscaping as I mentioned on the other side the majority of the Landscaping is being placed between the existing single dwellings in this development to add a good buffer but they are meeting the landscape code um there was a typo in my staff report where I indicated one tree and three shrubs for every three parking spaces but it's actually two trees but but based on what they're providing they do meet the required trees and plants and the minimum open space requirement is 10% and they're providing 24 the last application to be considered is the preliminary plat this also sits within that Granada fig farms and the replat will place the portions of lots 10 11 and 14 of block seven into one lot but they're also requesting an abandonment of the West half of the public right of way that adjacent to the site when the single family development to the east developed they had vacated their half portion of that ride of way and so it originally was a 40ft rideway it now sits at 20 because of the abandonment with that single family residential development this just abandons the other half and the the same was done for the development to the

South so that yellow reflects that when reviewing preliminary plats we make sure that it conforms that that the pre-at is um effectively addressing issues with zoning and adequacy of drainage accommodations and access and other infrastructure we found that this addressed all of that um there is a small technical modification that the applicant is aware of and is able to address with regard to um showing and reflecting that that public RightWay to the South has been abandoned the notification procedures met which is required by city code I do want to point out that um at the outset of this project public notification was sent not only to owners of property within 300 ft but all of the owners of property along Crystal Street since that was the street that was going to see an uptick in traffic um accessing this site and that is at that time is when we had received the one inquiry by the uh resident on Christina street so there's four recommendations that Planning Commission is being asked to consider this evening the first is staff is asking that you forward to city council a recommendation to approve this zone change with the two conditions of record that are on the screen we're also asking that you uh approve the conditional use permit subject to um these two two special conditions and of one of course is it's subject to council's approval of the zone change and then the third recommendation is with regard to the major site plan and then the fourth is the preliminary clap and I'd be happy to answer any

questions okay Commissioners any questions I have one this one yes sir um Jim they property to the West um it's going to it's going to be even more isolated than than it is right now but apparently nobody cares or nobody's spoken up to you or when when the site to the South developed we secured an access easement um across the south portion of that property so it's basically like a projection of Valerie Street okay to the southern corner of that parcel um but you're right it's a very awkward parcel it's not very wide and it's very long um but as an urban Ranch Zone it could develop into um residential lots they can't be smaller than one and A4 Acres so it would probably make more sense for Fiesta Grande to just pick that up and extend over there and yes because there's going to be an access problem coming in off from Florence to begin with right exactly all right well we'll just we'll just let her be then okay isn't that the muary yeah okay yeah we're just having a discussion about um the building North yeah the northwest of that kind of cat cor is that not the mortuary yeah Mortuary okay and then the other question um let brought up so this access on the south end of the other is it looks looks like the building encroaches on the

roadway um is is if you look at Valerie and take it over take it across there it looks like is does is I mean and this is not a problem for us this issue for this issue but it may be a problem in the future I guess so Valerie is a 44t wide rideway but the easement that was granted to the parcel to the West is much narrower it's it's just a private crost access easement okay um but it's wide enough for local traffic and fire department access got you thank you appreciate that helps my mind doesn't address this issue um and you say there's cross so we're going to do cross access on still well but between the two Lots North and South is is on the West Side Up Against the West boundary and not not one on the East Boundary correct you can kind of see it in this drawing where that if you go to the West End of the site the the drop down of a leg of asphalt connecting tying into the access drive that sits behind the southern buildings it does cause the existing retention Basin that is provided on the North End of the South site to be modified but the drainage report that was provided with this development has demonstrated that that drainage basin can be modified slightly to accommodate that drive access okay any other questions for staff would the applicant or their representative please come forward to address the

commission give us your name and address for the record hello my name is Nicholas Maxwell 238 West Bobcat court cost a grand very good I'm happy to answer any questions you have but I think Jim covered the project very well and I don't have anything in specific to add okay commissioner anything well thank you for being thank you very much okay now we will open the public portion of the meeting for this issue anybody from the public like to address this issue please come forward give us your name and address again please keep your comments to three minutes as much as you can thank you lber 1641 North Kadota Avenue pull that microphone down so we can be sure that we can hear you BL Berber 1641 North Kadota Avenue and I just have a question uh going back to the storage room it was mentioned that on the west there would be no Landscaping requirements because that adjacent area is urban Ranch but now we're proposing to change that to R2 so is there not a conflict there and that is my question no I don't think we're we're not changing that I no I can answer it's a it's a great question so it technically that application was heard first so it's it's still Urban Ranch at the time of that site's approval but even if this was currently had been zoned R2 is if you notice towards the north portion of the site of this proposed site they're proposing a landscape Basin um so that area of the site is a large open space

area that will be abutting the that's the leg of the site that abuts the storage facility um so there there still is we're okay with the fact that the storage facilities not putting in landscaping right there because it's going to abut the drainage retention area of that R2 lot okay good question very good anyone else like to address this issue great my name's alar I live on 16 go pick that up ALR 1599 East Crystal okay you have a huge piece between the memory care center and the the center the storage lot what's that going to be that little dog leg comes out and touches the two pieces because right now it's a drainage a retention Pond I see that okay so your timeing about right there yeah no go go to your to your right that's a drainage Pond right there retention Pond right it's retention on the uh storage facilities development okay so that's the storage facil but it's going to remain a retention fond yes question yeah got it all right thank you good good point okay anybody else like to address this issue

okay all right seeing none I'll close the public portion of the meeting and bring it back to the commission Mr chair I like make recommendation yes sir excuse me like to make a recommendation to approve the zone change from Ur to R2 for DSA 24135 with the uh two conditions of a record okay I have a I have a motion for the zone change I hear a second second very good motion second any discussion Mr chair that's a motion to forward a recommendation to city council to approve the zone change right thank you very much thank you okay we good motion second very good all right any discussion seeing none please call the rooll member Smith I member alret I member vanderhyden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes okay Commissioners continue on that be great move to approve the conditional use permit and forward the resolution to city council for DSA 24136 subject to to uh conditions of record there special conditions second okay had a motion in second just be clear this one doesn't go this one doesn't go to city council just a motion to approve yes sir okay I think that's what I heard Y no please please can please be be feel free to all right any discussion on the motion please call the rooll member Smith I

member ALR I member Vander Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair gsen I chairman Benedict yes all right continue on sure move to approve the major site plan DSA 24137 a positive recommendation to the council uh approval to the zone change from Ur to R2 second second okay subject to yeah good Mark you make a comment Mo to approve move to approve subject to the condition I'm reading it the way it says subject to the condition is what okay well yeah this this condition that that the city council approve the Zone this the way I heard it very good I got a motion in second I believe any discussion please call the rooll member Smith I member ALR I member vanderhyden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes all right one more we'll finish it board to city council recommendation to approve major uh the preliminary Pride DSA 2413 subject to the following text I Mr Right One we're on this last one no the last one we are approving move to approve that's that's what I thought I said somebody else make the motion that's what I thought I said I'm forwarding city council move to approve the preliminary we're not forwarding to city council what are we doing we approve it here number four move to approve that's I read it the first time okay move to approve the preliminary Prest uh DSA 241 38 with the

technical modification below very good thank you sir I got a motion in a second appreciate that any discussion seeing none please call the rooll member Smith I member alret I member Vander Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes all right thank you member Vander Hayden thank you yeah you did good appreciate you thank you for struggling through they all can be we appreciate you all right take take a break okay uh been going at this an hour and a half uh we'd like to take a five minute break and then we'll we will reconvene thank you [Music] I can [Music] [Music] see for

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distribution of hazardous materials uh the cup and major site plan request is for a new Greenfield single story pre-engineered steel building for the storage and distribution of hazardous chemicals the business operation will receive bulk chemicals and then repackage the materials for distribution to and users there will be a two-level office space for administration functions within the single height building along with a 9 Bay loading dock area most of the building will be used for chemical storage uh here is a close-up of the site um as you can see there's burs Road there's Peters Road it is currently a undeveloped vacant lot here is a really big picture of the site plan I apologize for that um and at this point I believe that they are only building building a um and that Building B is a future plan and uh you've seen this a couple times tonight conformance with city code uh here's the list of criteria I'm going to focus on these first three uh conformance with the city's General plan uh this use is in conformance with the general plan of 2030 the general plan designation for the site is manufacturing and Industry which supports both the I2 Zone and the proposed use um and you can see here that it is deep within and centralized in this uh General plan designation for uh manufacturing and Industry um and then I want to talk about the conformance to the city's zoning ordinance the proposed use is located within the I2 General industrial zoning district and requires a conditional use permit uh the plan does conform to all of the I2 zoning standards set forth within the zoning code and again this is kind of

centralized deep inside the I2 Zone um so there's not as much concern concern with um less intense um adjacent uses um it is I2 on all four sides and then some and the third thing I wanted to look at was The Pedestrian and vehicular Ingress and egress um this site is proposed to have a drive access along West Peters Road uh they will be providing a sidewalk along the Peters Road Frontage um the plan gated vehicle access along the oh there is a two planned gated axises on the north side of the development which when Center Avenue is completed then those Gates will be opened up those roads will be um finished and there will be access to Center Road in the north um along Peter's Road um they will be putting in a right turn in and right turn out um along the westbound Lane of Peter Road um so it will taper down to where they can enter on the North side here so it'll they'll come in here tapers in they can enter here and it'll be a right turn out and it will taper back into so they will be adding a new Lane along that westbound for the deceleration and then the acceleration back onto Peters Road um and that will end at the um or just before the burst Road connection there at the intersection um the conditional use permit um a conditional use permit is required per city code regarding those uses involving the storage utilization

or the manufacturer of volatile or explosive materials or products and one of the major functions of the proposed development is in fact the storage and repackaging of certain hazardous materials so it does require that conditional use permit um so there are the five requirements for conditional use permits um I'd like to focus in on uh number two for sure um as you can there is more information in the the staff report um detailing each of these criteria um and they have all been met um oh I did go into them that the site for the proposed use relates the streets highways adequate in width and pavement type to carry the quantity and the kind of traffic generated by the proposed use uh so the site is adjacent to South bur road to the west and Peters Road along the South uh both of which are adequate to carry the quantity and kind of traffic generated by this use uh both these roads are adequate to carry the expected type and quantity of traffic that will be created by this proposal um a RightWay de dedication and improvements are required for portions of both buris Road and West Peters Road so let me go into uh that the SES proposed okay I got that one the S is proposed use adequate size and topography and accommodate the use that all yard spaces walls fences parking loading and Landscaping are adequate to properly relate to the use uh with the land uses and vicinity um so if I can go back to the site plan here um it's a large site buildings are centrally located uh the building meets all of the required setbacks uh it has sufficient parking uh the grading and the drainage and all that has been reviewed and approved um

by our Engineers uh the Traffic Engineers have approved the uh Road design as it is uh that the proposed use will have no adverse effect on the abing properties of the abing properties um three of our undeveloped land at this point and the other one is also I2 so we got an I2 to the South um I believe that is the yogurt Factory oh that is tractor supped this out there um so this should not have any significant impact on those current uses it is in conformance with the general plan as we've previously discussed and that the conditions stated in the approval are deemed necessary to protect the public health safety and general welfare um and the condition being that all chemical wastes need secondary containment from the entering floor drain sanitary sewer Andor storm water no industrial process Wastewater discharges are allowed without obtaining an industrial discharge permit any Wastewater containing fog which is fats oils grease and Grit must pass through a grease Interceptor or sand oil Interceptor that is adequately sized and maintained according to the city of C Grande pre-treatment regulations uh interceptors need to have a pumping cleaning record and are subject to annual inspections so yes they are processing and handling hazardous materials but this condition um requires that they meet all safety and uh Health and Welfare requirements to handle those chemicals uh public hearing notification was sent out as is prescribed by code uh I have receed our staff has received no inquiries or comments about this proposal so at this time uh staff

recommends the Planning Commission approve the conditional use permit and Associated resolution TSA 2454 for the storage and distribution of hazardous materials in an I2 Zone district with the following conditions which I've read before and sta is is also recommending that the Planning Commission approve the major site plan DSA 2455 to construct the 50,000 foot 500 the 50564 foot pre-engineered steel frame building for the storage and distribution of chemicals any questions Commissioners questions for staff other Silence okay no questions for staff would the owner their representative please come forward and address the commission uh good evening Brian Morris 937 West Sherry Drive uh Gilbert Arizona 85233 hi I'm rich Williams um my address is uh 19820 North 7th Avenue U Phoenix Arizona I'm the owner and Brian is our uh architect I have nothing further to add myself good job um Mr lonard appreciate the efforts you put in there so open for questions just on the uh yep question on the uh Transportation stuff what kind of vehicles are we transporting uh the for for the yeah 18wheeler trucks basically not tanker type things just box type trucks no box

box trucks okay okay all right yeah no no outdoor con uh storage container right okay okay anything else from you guys okay um couple of questions do you have an idea about the uh number of employees that you'll be that you'll have yes we anticipate uh starting out with about 20 uh employees at the site and if we end up going to two shifts we could go that could double so okay up to around 40 and it's over one shift right yeah 8 to5 one shift and then um uh he mentioned about the the plan we're approving has two buildings but your initial only building one is that yeah let me let me clarify just a little bit on this image that you see here that's actually the first phase building so it's it is one building physically uh but based on on our uh occupancy types and what we're doing in there we have to separate that building with a 4our rated firewall good and that's what that's why you see the a Ab in there because it by by Cod defin it is two buildings uh in independent structures looks like one building two so there is a phase two and that's the open uh space there to the to the north okay um any idea when you'd be adding that what the employee count would be at that point just so we have a have some kind of um I know it's projections but I just yeah um the play count probably wouldn't double but it would go up maybe 25% when we added that that section the next up close to 50,000 s foot and we don't really have a plan to do that as of yet okay we just want the space to do it then um again for my identification I guess

can you this description was um um storage and redistribution re are repackaging storage and distribution understand what's so we're a semiconductor chemical supplier dist distributor and so we bring bulk products in uh truckload quantities of let's say cases or drums or totes of chemicals that are used in the semiconductor process and then add you know break those out into deliver to different clients in the Arizona so you know you bring truck loads in and you take small loads out to uh deliver to clients okay those could be anywhere from gallon bottles to Drums to totes okay then they um mentioned about the concerns about getting into to the to our drains and what any comments that you make about that that that seems to be applying um an open use type type of situation uh so there is no anticipation of of chemicals ever making it to a drain we do have secondary containment as prescribed by the building code and that's to accommodate any uh accidental spill that might occur we don't again we don't anticipate it but the code requires us to accommodate that sure yes we would like you to be ready for that absolutely lot lots of safety Provisions designed in okay and then did I read the traffic count right we're talking about 70 trucks a day does that sound right uh no I you know that'd be awesome but I don't think so I think it'll be more like around 20 and that would be like a a huge day okay all right traffic impact statement estimated 36 week a. and 39 weekday

p.m. so we're planning on you doing a whole lot more well that would be awesome well maybe okay and and they're they're being shipped out of the same in an 18wheeler yes yeah some of it will go LT all over the country and but a lot of our materials are just sold right here in Arizona so we have our own local trucks that do those usually smaller like 42f Footers um but the trucks coming in are typically like going to be the 52 53t fulls size trucks you see running around okay I think I've grilled you a little bit there appreciate you answering all my questions I'm trying to get I'm trying to get comfortable with the idea of shipping in a bunch of chemicals and fluffing them around then shipping them right back out and uh in particular you know we've got challenges and about where where our semis are driving and part of that is our you know is our fault I mean actually it's geography is a big big piece of it but it's concerning I think to us about the the kind of truck traffic and where it's going and and then I start thinking about okay here semi trucks full of chemicals and you know driving down panal and you know which is huge thorough fair for us and and so I'm I'm just trying to get you know I I generally want you to do what you need to do with your property particularly when it when it you know helps our economy but this one is concerning to me because of just I'd be happy to discuss our safety record or the U qualifications that we have as a company the audits that we go through safety audits uh you know there's there's I don't know there's probably six or seven different different companies that have to come out or don't have to but we have to hire to come out to make sure that we're

doing everything right environmentally Transportation wise storage everything so we've been in business for about 25 years now doing this I have a quick question yes so is the trucking operation done by a third party or is it done by you all uh we own our own truck Fleet uh but we also but the majority of the trucking will be uh probably outside trucks coming in so ltls and full truckloads coming in and there's no I'm assuming you don't have like a truck route that you have identified as as far as how they'll reach the interstate actually the city has asked us to direct traffic a certain way I can't think of what it is now but to th we built a nice Road for you please use it to so we're going to do our best obviously we're not in the truck with the driver but we'll do our best to direct them excellent thank you okay yeah I don't know again that's it's just a it's an ongoing Challenge and and it you know it's not his fault that we have the road the way it is but it's it's concerning you know it's concerning to us and and and we appreciate you you know appreciate you're interested in being in our community we want to meet the challenges together and any other questions I'll sh up rambling on about it okay thank you anything else you'd like to add no thank you appreciate all the help thank you thank you now I'd like to open the public portion of this for this issue and anybody from the public like to address this issue please come forward okay seeing none I'll close the public portion of the meeting not the meeting for this issue

bring it back bring it back to the commission well go ahead I'd like to make that'd be great I'd like to make a motion to the conditional use for the storage and distribution of hazardous materials in an I2 Zone district with the following conditions second got a motion to Second any discussion I'm struggling a little bit again as I had expressed I don't know where we how we get more comfortable with these kinds of issues and um anyway I'm I'm struggling glad you all are feeling okay um any other discussion well we are we are becoming the semiconductor capital of in in the country here in Arizona so we all have to play our part and be accommodating to these people that are coming in and I know we all have the concerns of traffic and safety and as as long as they're willing to abide by all of that and I'm sure they're experienced in that then you know I'm good with it yeah but well said I think you know I think we we all we all love that kind of a you know of of an idea just um I know all the chemicals are down here and the plants are up there and you know that's a well we're it's a challenge we're playing a we're playing a our part our part you're exactly right Mr Peters well well said any other comments okay where am I at do I have a motion do I have a second okay very

good so please call the role member Smith I member alret I member Vander Hayden yes member h yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza hi chairman Benedict well we we've approved it um I I appreciate Mr Peters uh comments about it and we'll vote I uh we have another one yeah we got another one not five of them but just uh one more somebody want to do it somebody do it he's rolling roll buddy I'll make a motion to approve major site plan DSA 2455 okay second do we have conditioned okay any discussion on this all right please call the rooll member Smith I member aldret I member Vander Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman denn dick yes okay that's all approved next we'll consider a Rec forward a recommendation to City Council on the Florence Boulevard design concept report from Mr Ty talk to us thank you Mr chair members of the commission so this evening we'd like to present to you the Florence Boulevard Corridor design concept report or we might refer to it as the DCR design concept report um and so the first thing I'd like to say is you what this

document is is exactly as the name implies it's a design concept it's a design concept that if approved uh will be further developed into what we'll call civil design plans the actual design for different segments of Florence Boulevard to enhance the appearance and functionality of the of the whole Corridor so the project the DCR does cover uh Florence Boulevard all the way from I 10 to Arbor doesn't quite go to panel but it goes to Arbor um and so I'm going to talk a little bit of an overview of of how we got here and some of the um stakeholder process that we've gone through and the changes we've made as a result of that process and then I'm going to hand it over to our Consultants from J2 to give you a little bit more detail on the the design details uh embedded in the design concept report in the end um after you hear the the presentation this evening uh um we're going to ask you to vote to make a recommendation to city council to approve this document uh and it is scheduled to be considered by city council at their meeting on April 7 so how did we get here what's the Genesis for this project and the Genesis actually started about I'm going to say about six years ago with uh when the city brought in uh something called the technical advisory panel from the Urban Land Institute and that panel was experts in various aspects of Urban Development and Land Development came down and looked at

our downtown area specifically uh in areas surrounding our downtown and we're making recommendations on ways to uh invigorate our downtown and uh and improve the environs of it and really three recommendations came out of that study and that process that related directly to Florence Boulevard the first is that they recommended that we that a uh we create a stronger connection between our Historic downtown in the adjacent Florence Boulevard Corridor um and I'm going to bump down to number three before I go to number two to also create an entryway feature that welcomes people to downtown Kasa Grande so the the design idea here is to link our kind of historic and uh we'll call it our um our Boutique downtown to the commercial Corridor adjacent to it in in Florence Boulevard and so we we did that uh and we started we did that initially with our general plan and in our general plan we created a downtown land use category for the first time and we expanded and we included in that downtown category not only our historic downtown but the adjacent areas of Florence Boulevard between brown and Arbor and we extended it even a block or two north of Florence uh to really tie those two together in a planning sense the Florence Boulevard design concept report tries to tie those two together our Historic downtown in the Florence bu of our Corridor in a design sense uh as well so I mentioned a little bit about the downtown land use category that we created with our general plan that uh was approved by Planning Commission

approved by city council and uh ratified by 83% of our citizens and in that uh downtown category there are various uh design um kind of intents for the downtown and you can see those uh right there and the three bullet points but there's very specific downtown design standards which is streets should be designed to accommodate pedestrian cyclists automobiles Transit autonomous vehicles and rides share Services sidewalks we should provide sidewalks with decorative payment designs uh parking Street trees and planners decorative and alternative Street Paving or ribbons benches trash artwork um so all of these design standards were in fact incorporated into one segment M uh at least of the actually all segments of the uh forign B our design concept report the general plan also had uh specific action steps that the city should take uh to implement the general plan and I'll just talk about uh action step d4.3 which is develop specific downtown Street design standards to encourage pedestrian friendly and urban scale streets in action step d4.4 which is to develop decorative and alternative Street Paving designs and plans streets should utilize alternative materials safe crosswalks and pedestrian areas should be a point of emphasis all of these design um intents are implemented and reflected in the uh forence Boulevard design concept report and then we have a city council

strategic plan uh that talks about council's strategic objectives for the city and the one and bowl there is to create an image to attract residents to visit and live in Casa Grande and specifically to develop the Florence Boulevard corridor plan which is what we have before us tonight uh we also have under Community enhancement to plan and execute City entrance sign improvements and the DCR we have an entrance Gateway sign at both the West End welcoming uh drivers and residents and visitors to downtown and on the East End welcoming uh visitors and residents who come off the interstate when we kicked off this project um our first Outreach effort for citizen input stakeholder process do it was to do a website survey asking gener citizens what kind of enhancements they'd like to see in the corridor um those are some of the uh comments we saw on the screen I've also attached for the Planning Commission I think the some of the specific comets cards that we received uh through the process we created a steering committee with representatives of the Chamber of Commerce downtown Main Street Florence Boulevard business and citizens at large we met with the steering committee is kind of a focus group to help give us some initial guidance and input into the project as well as the plan kind of was developed and we had some initial Design Concepts that we could share we held a general public open house in December of 22 uh as part of that project that process we sent notification postcards to all the property owners and all the business owners at the time in the corridor I

think we sent 600 62 postcards 65 people attended our open house and we people left comic cards and uh 52 58% were positive 30 23% were negative and 19% neutral now again this is the entire corridor from I 10 to Arbor we did uh do a little additional Focus Group in open house for property owners and businesses in our downtown uh segment which is about a half mile long it goes from brown to Arbor and uh 17 business and Property Owners attended one of those three sessions that we offered since uh We've scheduled this matter for Planning Commission consideration and for city council consideration on Monday night at a study session we have received some input from uh social media sites we sent uh notice out on what we call our CG alert uh notifying people of the hearing uh before Planning Commission this evening giving them a link that takes them directly to the plan so they could review it um we've noticed some uh some other input on various uh Facebook pages and the city Facebook um but I think uh overall what we've seen is about 50 people commenting and we've seen splits of about 6040 on various aspects of the plan I think most of it's been focused on the downtown segment and whether or not the downtown segment which is a half mile of the Six Mile Corridor should be retained its current five Lane configuration or be reconfigured to have three lanes I think a lot almost all of the commentary has been focused on that so before we talk a little bit about the downtown segment in the in the lane configuration I want to talk about

multimodal a little bit so accommodating multimodal Transportation was one of the pr one of the primary uh designs intents of the design concept report um I don't know about you but recently I've been seeing increase people using motorized wheelchairs scooters bicycles and walking within the corridor we wanted to make that kind of activity safer I think some of that activity is occurring in a non-safe uh fashion so we wanted to accommodate multimodal and make it safer um other kinds of design intents we would have we know is to widen sidewalks provide bike Lanes uh provides additional Landscaping to make a better walkable environment um and some artwork to make things interesting so as we looked at we as we delved into the design what we found is that on that freeway segment to the east from I 10 over to henis we have plenty of RightWay to uh to accommodate traffic and to provide enhanced mult multimodal space right there's 140 foot right away um so there's plenty of room for us to achieve as you might see on the screen here a separated bike lane um and wider sidewalks not a problem J2 will go into that they'll show you what the design is but it it fits when we went into the Midtown uh which goes from henis to uh to Brown the RightWay varies a little bit some of it's 140 some of it's 110 but again we can fit in multimodal we can fit in bike Lanes we can fit in wider sidewalks not to the extent that we can in the freeway one but we can fit them in there um and so that that was

worked well from a design standpoint when we got to the older section of Florence the downtown segment from from brown to Arbor we found a different store what we found is we had some U real rightaway constraints that was going to hinder our ability to provide these kinds of multimodal and other streetscape enhancements that we really wanted to within that segment so what we found was we have buildings that encroach into our RightWay there's two buildings right across the road from us that's the little sombreros building where their whole patio is in our rightaway and the building next to it which is the Inc addition building uh their whole addition in the front is in our RightWay now I can't tell you how those things got built in our RightWay that we can find no paperwork authorizing them they happened before my time uh but they're there um and they they constrained our use of that RightWay we have parking in the RightWay we have uh and we have lots of signs in our RightWay so throughout this whole downtown segment our RightWay has been constrained by encroachments private development encroachments now and many of those encroachments are are would be very disruptive to those businesses to remove them right they're kind of in on the public property uh but very disruptive to remove them so from a design standpoint we didn't we didn't create an option that says oh let's leave the five Lanes like they are and let's remove the encroachments to appr to introduce our multimodal kind of enhancements for wider bike wider sidewalks bike Lanes enhancement of landscaping Etc uh we

knew that was going to be too disruptive but we did hear a significant amount of public comments questioning the ability of the downtown segment and Florence to handle both the existing and the future traffic with a three lane configuration um um and the one of the reasons why the three-lane configuration was proposed for this half mile section uh in the downtown was to free up some space where we could introduce the the bike lane The Wider sidewalk the the areas for businesses have outdoor seating and patios artwork and Landscaping because we knew we we we had limited ability to do it with the existing F Lane configuration uh we do think that the traffic should go slower through the downtown segment as well we want we think that's Again part of the extension of the downtown we want that to be a more pleasant kind of environment through that one half mile section we did shorten the downtown segment uh used to go from tle to panel we shortened it for to re Brown to Arbor uh so um you know there's you know from from Arbor to panel we would under any option we would retain the five current five Lane condition from trle to Brown the same thing if we did in in the future decide to pursue the three-lane configuration we would transition from five to three between trle and brown and back up to five from Brown from Arbor to uh panel so we created two Street designs off for the downtown segment we have one design that says this do keep the existing F lay configuration where it like it is maybe modify it slightly to

narrow some of the lanes up a little bit um but to or to uh create a three lane configuration so there's two options option A retain the current five Lane configuration but however and that's what it would look like on the screen uh but due to the rightaway constraints a bike lane would not be included uh the sidewalk widening would would essentially not occur or very limited and we could squeez in some additional landscaping and artwork uh we'd have to reduce those but uh we don't achieve the multimodal objective uh that we really wanted to achieve uh with the five Lane just due to those RightWay constraints that I mentioned to you option b which is to modify the uh the five Lanes to become a three Lane uh configuration that that that's the option that does allow us to do those kinds make those kinds of streetscape enhancements that we talked about the multimodal The Pedestrian the artwork and the Landscaping um you do see in this design some angled parking we probably would not do angled parking even in this uh scenario we probably just do parallel uh but we would be able to provide some additional parallel parking for those businesses along the corridor the Frontage of of Florence that have uh do do not have adequate parking or to provide some additional public parking for our guest and uh and residents we also uh made a change uh to our freeway segment which is that segment that's on the far East from I 10 to henis and in that one we actually recommend going from the existing four lanes two through Lanes in each Direction and adding an additional through Lane uh to both on both sides to

create a six Lane configuration we believe that's our studies show us that that's where the heaviest traffic is on Florence and where the greatest growth in traffic is going to occur is between i1 and henis we have some vacant sites there as you might know we have like sunlife being built there right now some additional developments uh we have some other vacant sites the traffic is going to increase in that segment of uh of the corridor without doubt so we need to accommodate that um at this point I'm going to take I'm going to pause and uh hand it over to uh Jeff Vasquez from J2 and Jeff's going to talk to you a little bit more about the uh the specific design uh that's being proposed in the DCR [Music] Jeff thanks Paul chairman Benedict and members of the commission thank you for giving us this time we know you got a packed agenda and we're we're excited to give you an overview of the DCR we'll be brief and respectful of your time so the DCR intent as Paul had kind of laid out here was definitely fulfilling the council mandated 2030 General plan a really kind of transformative Corridor right from I 10 all the way to uh penel we're falling just short of that right there at Arbor but we think that um the DCR framework really sets that tone for a vision for economics for moving vehicles for pedestrians link mass transit shade water harvesting liid implementation storm water management and uh a lot of great things here for for the city looking into the future so we're looking 25 years out 50 years out being kind of visionary in terms of a 100 year out right let's uh so we have uh did this go backwards Paul okay

how about that okay so you know we have Four Mile Corridor there we have about a mile on the East which is freeway Zone we have about 2 and a half miles in the middle which is the Midtown Zone there's about a half a mile area that's the downtown zone so some of the things that you'll see in the DCR um Design Elements you know one of them is lighting energy efficient LED lighting making it a safer streetscape system all the way through the corridor and there would be roadway lighting pedestrian lighting um and V the images on the top show what it could could look like none of that's been designed yet of course these are just uh Vision DCR the lower photos show what it might look like in uh in the corridor itself pavement systems the general plan talked about you know getting U alternative pavement systems crosswalks you know we could do stamped asphalt with uh reflective coating materials to cool that temperature 20° and there's all kinds of great things you can do Ada accessible improvements uh ramp improvements uh water harvesting and that type of thing you can even stamp and seal and imprint the Middle Lane throughout the street throughout the corridor to um to enhance the look and the Aesthetics of of Florence as well art art systems really enliven communities right they enliven not only downtowns but even entire corridors such as Florence so we think that the implementation of art is important on the left you see photos of artwork that's been done throughout the state on the right you see a couple of elements even potential shade structures at Corners that might be able to be implemented in terms of an art element maybe even something like a neon sign Park kind of having kind of a neon or a fa neon element as you see on the lower right uh signage wayfinding monumentation Paul mentioned that on the left you see some different elements of signage and wayfinding and gateways on the right you see kind of a a downtown Zone that would be or downtown Monument that could go in at the Five Points area to the West coming into the panel area we also think that there should be a

monument to at the East coming in off the freeway Zone Zone into that uh that six Lane Corridor and we'll we'll go through that and show you that here in a second seating shade those are all elements that make a corridor and a downtown area great and we think that those should be implemented the top photos show some things that are typical of site amenities and uh kind of those types of implementations the lower photos show how some of the areas could be could be enhanced so as we talked about three segments freeway Midtown downtown and it's about a 4 Mile Corridor 1 mile 2 and A2 and about a half mile in the downtown Zone to go into freeway the staff is recommending that the the project would start in the freeway zone so the other element like at the Far West downtown would probably be potentially 15 20 25 years down the road so it's kind not really an immediate um element right now I think they're recommending freeway because of the growth and things that are happening on the east side of the corridor so freeway Zone henai 10 this is an example of the interpretive element of that signage Gateway Monument being on the westbound approach off the I 10 Freeway Zone this element also shows kind of the water harvesting at the the DG planting area we can take kind of dirty first flush storm water off the streets deep water some of those trees in landscape areas and we have done that in other areas it deep Waters those trees and really helps uh keep those trees healthy and conserves water of course and you get that first flush out of the street and and um this kind of just shows that that area with the monument so the freeway Zone as Paul had mentioned um you know this vision is a six Lane Corridor condition and the middle has a median that turns has left turn Lanes throughout as you see right here um I believe that is a 14t landscape median with a turn that's

built in this hasn't been designed and detailed so you know that would come with later engineering you would have those median brakes implemented with you know with public involvement and with City traffic and and Engineering implemented as well uh you see a couple items here highlighted The 10ft Pedestrian walkway on the North side you have a 10ft wide pedestrian walk on the south kind of a real Treeline Corridor so it's a shaded area and then in the green you see a separated bike lane which you get all the way through the freeway Zone that separated bike lane is safer for bicyclists to be able to use that that corridor there are enhanced midblock Crossings as you see there in the orange stamped asphalt and there is a bus stop where you can kind of implement uh enhancements to the link system and other other bus routes this is a few images of what that freeway Zone might look like with the six Lane condition middle turn Lanes water harvesting in the planting zones separated bike lane and wide sidewalks the Midtown Zone that is about 2 and a half mile it's the largest zone of the corridor so the Midtown Zone runs from brown to henis in the Midtown Zone those you can see some of the buildings on the aerial kind of start to get a little bit closer and Tighter to the RightWay so we're dealing with a little bit less um property and space to work with in real estate but this can still work with a four-lane condition two lanes in each Direction with a middle planted median that would incorporate left turn lanes and that would be engineered of course in final design at appropriate turns in and out you see the enhanced intersection there on the right side of the rendering so that could have stamped colored asphalt it would have a separated bike Ling system as you see in green throughout the corridor and those intersections would be designed specifically in detail to have that separated bike lane go into a Crossing

mode at the intersections here you have an 8ft wide walk on the North a 10ft wide walk on the south there's just kind of trade-offs that you'll have to do with the real estate that you have to work with in the middle of the Zone here's a few images of what that Midtown Zone from brown to Hennis would look like top left shows the plan bottom left shows kind of bird's eye perspective aerial and the two right images show that separated bike lane and how some of those stamped Crossings can occur there would be Ada accessible improvements at all of these intersections of course the downtown Zone as Paul said we've heard lots of input on the downtown area so the DCR presents two options both a five Lane and a three lane um so there isn't one proposed over another you have the options there in the design concept report for future reference um so in the five Lane option you have you know showing kind of the Casa Grande improved stamped asphalt intersection you have improved Ada accessible uh walkways and Corners um on the five Lane Zone you don't have the bike lane the room is really constrained but you do have the middle turn lane all the way through similar to now um you do have some landscape not as quite as much as the three lane but you do have some landscape that you can implement the downtown Zone we do feel now one thing that staff's recommending is that the first build occur East at the freeway Zone but they they do recommend that there is an entry monument at the freeway Zone but immediately there would be an entry monument at this point in the downtown Five Points area so if you did build freeway I think staff's really thinking that you do build both entry monuments as a bookend on West and East and that's what you're seeing here at the Five Points so image and character the FIV Lane option kind of before and after um you can still stamp that Middle Lane still kind of make some enhancement

there uh stamped asphalt um the Landscaping isn't quite um as robust as the three the sidewalks don't widen as much but you do have some improvements on the FIV Lane option and some before and after character images of the five [Music] Lane so you would have materials you know material change occurring for the general plan recommendation with Ada improvements the three lane option uh you've seen probably before early on and in the DC R you know it would be one lane in each Direction with a middle turn lane um it would be intersection improvements you would have the Ada accessible improvements on the three lane option you do get the separated bike lane that you do see in um in green and we'll get into some of those elements here in a sec with the road right sizing at a three lane just some of the basics of enhanced safety multimodal you do get some expanded sidewalks uh there's a local economy boost with you know wanting to be downtown and that kind OFW resilient infrastructure you do have um you know space for water harvesting and you know a robust Street tree system um it's commonly understood there's improved user experience and kind of destination environments with that and of course the imageability going back to the 2030 General plan is image and destination and uh Ambiance of course and in data on the right sizing you know collisions may be reduced City staff did uh study quite a bit of um Road right sizing project uh pedestrian activity can be increased bicycle trips and and those type of things in terms of multimodal Transportation can be enhanced as well in the DCR you'll see this um Matrix breakdown between three lane and

five Lane it kind of gives you um some of the the basics on it some of the important ones would be um really kind of intersection nodes and crosswalks on the three lane concept the crosswalks are about 35 ft of Crossing uh Which is less than chairman between you and me um on the FIV Lane concept it's about 56 so it's about a 21 foot difference in terms of somebody in a wheelchair or a walker or with a stroller there are some elements that are benefits on the crosswalk lengths you do get the bike Lanes of course you get a street tree system that's pretty robust through the three lane Zone and some character images here of a before and after on that condition and some before and after visuals using scaled kind of 3D modeling and some enhancement that might be able to be take place throughout different Corridor areas you can also build in queue you know improved queuing without things backing up into the street as well so pretty transformative project separated by lanes and planted zones so at the Five Points we do think that that's an important ad even if you do build the freeway Zone first having having this in the downtown some type of Monument that kind of speaks to the city and announces it from both sides would be important so next steps uh Paul did you want to talk about [Music] those thanks Jeff so is we've been discussing this is a design concept report so if it's approved there would be some next steps uh before I get into the implementation that this will be

formally considered by city council at their April 7th meeting um if it's approved our next step is to go ahead and work on creating design and construction plans for the first phase staff is recommending the first phase be the freeway phase at the far East um and then moving Westerly over time um that process of additional civil design will involve additional stakeholder process with businesses property owners and the general public in addition it will be uh associated with funding requests through our Capital Improvement program excuse me so phase one as we see it today the freeway Zone you can see the uh we think that uh process from design through construction it's and as Jeff mentioned it's a one mile uh segment will be from one to five years um in our current CIP we do have funding to start the Civil design work on that um that contract hasn't been let uh we don't want to do anything until we know if the design concept report is approved but if it is approved we'll start uh that design process now one of the benefits to starting on the freeway Zone uh as well as you can see all those vacant properties and if we approve this DCR as those vacant properties develop we can work with those developers and their site designs to incorporate some of the design that you seeing tonight for the freeway into their project design they can design sidewalks and Landscaping that complements what the city will add with bike lanes and travel Lanes so we think it's important to start there so we don't miss the opportunity to uh partner with private development to start implementing that

first phase but it it will this all will take time so one to five years uh for the freeway then we if we move into Midtown it's a longer uh section to an a half miles as Jeff mentioned so we think think that's another five uh years takes us out to 10 years from now uh before we get through the uh the Midtown and again that is a process that will involve of additional stakeholder process additional public meetings and input from both Property Owners businesses and the general public as to what that design should be it's a big segment two and a half miles we're not going to buet it off in one chunk it'll be you know maybe it'll be you know 3/4 of a mile half mile kind of segments that we'll design at a time and then last we'll finish up with the downtown segment Arbor uh Brown to Arbor it's a half mile segment so we think we're probably 15 years out 10 to 15 years out from now before we get to that design process and that construction one of the reasons why we we staff is recommending that we keep two options on the table for the downtown segment both the existing five Lane option and the proposed three lane configuration is because lots of things are going to change in the over the next 10 to 15 years um and so we don't have a great you Crystal Ball but we think we just need to keep those options on the table to be able to better evaluate what's the best design for that segment when we when we get there 10 to 15 years from now uh with that I'm going to conclude my my remarks uh we do have um you know as we think about this additional public input and stakeholder process our public

work staff has been working on on a on an idea that would allow us to uh use AI enhanced public engagement tools and they just want to show you a little bit about the kind of tool that they're working to implement Clark I think he's just going to run the video for you okay perfect perfect if someone else is in charge that's all the better thank you do want to take a moment to expand on uh the introduction there um there's going to be a lot of exciting things that are coming up from the community in the next years and enhanced public involvement we believe is is going to be critical in terms of communicating what the intent is schedules timing budgets um and getting the input on those designs with that in mind AI gives us an opportunity to go ahead and uh just as we think that personal public involvement is an enhanced level of communication AI gives us that on an electronic platform so with that let's go ahead and run this and then I'll take any questions after that with a few comments the body to the right is home to various content depending on what's available for each particular project the Florence Boulevard Corridor has been a Lifeline Corridor and should be celebrated here well we started off strong you know if we have a problem let's just go ahead and let it run out

of respect for everyone's time and I'll just kind of narrate the different components of it so the intent here is go ahead and yeah go ahead and run it perfect just let it keep running forcades to come the revitalization of this Urban Corridor will ensure that it continues to serve as a significant Commerce destination and entertainment environment into the future after the introduction the viewer is free to ask questions by typing in the conversation window or holding te to talk if they have a microphone conversations are stored in a database where AI can filter dialogue for review the recommendations outlined in the downloadable report to your right includes concepts for a revitalized urban Corridor that will continue to serve as a thoroughfare to a downtown destination environment for the city and region building upon Kasa Grande's history and arts community to establish a unique character for this urban renewal is a key aspect of this plan the commemoration of Casa Grande for its past and present should be a significant theme in reimagining this Landmark space revisiting the icon popup the user can easily leave a comment or ask a question and we think this part is really important part of it is being able to get comments as part of the presentation the details button presents deep description of the project budget and other pertinent information think of the details page as a website within the app there can be multiple Pages video audio and

images and as the use of this tool expands and it can also sense the um mood if you will of the questioner um and it can adapt uh in terms of its responses um so it is a a living growing uh as our own experiences in life uh this tool will also grow in it experiences and enhance the feedback that we feel that we will get uh with with the use of this type of tool any questions that I can bring back to the team or suggestions for further development that's good doesn't look like it thank you y so uh all of our questions are for Paul yeah all for Paul yeah poor Paul so Commissioners um so we don't they're the applicant so do we have questions for staff and the applicant um go for it girl okay so so I'm I I love that you provided a little history of how we got here right and I'm I guess I'm a little disappointed that the city's focus on the freeway section versus the downtown section the intent of the 2018 Workshop was surrounding the downtown we need to revitalize downtown however we want to start where there's new development undevelopment so talk to me so as I mentioned you know one of the benefits of starting on the freeway side is to allow some of those pending future private developments to help us

implement the plan without using you know all CIP money right um and that's that's a huge benefit in my opinion you kind of get to you know set the stage uh out there um the other reason is you know this is a transformative project for the community um and changes hard and so I think people need to see what it really can look like to understand you know what benefit they think it's making to the community uh so we think that's a the opportunity to do that is best at the freeway segment I disagree okay yeah I completely disagree I think we need to Value the folks that have spent all of their time here implementing businesses and this should be the priority in my opinion so so one of you know you know look the Planning Commission is going to make a recommendation to council and your recommendation can be to change the phasing right I mean that's your prerogative so give option if that's what you really think then you should make that recommendation there you go girl but Paul don't you think that the um the majority of the people are more interested in the downtown section as opposed to the freeway section they're probably just going to get more pissed off about the traffic congestions during construction on the freeway end of it where it's just going to interrupt them going back and forth to the mall and to the auto dealerships that are out there now as opposed to trying to do like Gilbert did do like Chandler did I mean I built a house in Chandler in 1997 and there wasn't anything downtown except an old abandoned bank and some guy had a

brainstorm to got the bank and put a SanTan Brewery in there and that was right that was the start of Chandler Downtown Chandler and Gilbert same thing Joe Johnson out there has a they had a a market and from that market he built a restaurant to had had barbecue and then and look at Gilbert now and it didn't take that long you know we're looking at downtown Casa Grande being the same as it is now for the next 15 20 years you know it's like 10 to 15 not 15 to 20 10 to 15 yes I agree with you 10 to 15 folks I don't have that much time like myself but I'm thinking for everybody else else but you know commissioner Peters I totally understand your comments and um one thing that that strikes me though is that on the freeway that's where we have the ability to impact visitors right and set kind of the image and character of Kasa Grande in their mind um we that's where we make a first impression a lot of times uh so I think it's important right to put your best foot forward and uh and and create a nice impression at the entryway I totally understand though the downtown comments um as well we do have people I would coming in from the other direction would be more so inviting go hitting Florence myself I mean I normally go down panal before I would even hit the I 10 to Florence so I think we should be going the opposite direction good we are we are recommending as our first phase the downtown entryway sign that so that is in the first phase we're

going to try to bookend the entryway signs on both both ends so we are that that would be phase one okay to that point I I I like what you're showing as far as really enhancing Florence but when you're talking downtown you should be looking at the entire area about a five six seven block area not just Florence as far as developing the area and I and I know funding is an issue I get that and and and I know that's a that's a problem but similar to Chandler and also Gilbert as well what really made those areas grow were the actual businesses that they were able to attract actually downtown by attracting those businesses that that freed up and brought in more money and to actually expand their downtown so I I'm in agreement that downtown should be the focus personally and I'm biased Garrett and I are going back and forth on that I like the the five Lane you know having work every day in Tucson I see the mistakes and I know about the history of doing that with Campbell Avenue going into Grand and then all of a sudden now jumps to two lanes and a traffic nightmare I think if we're building for growth we have to build for growth and money is always cheaper now than it will be in the future maybe I guess since I was invoked I'll I'll speak a little bit um yeah I mean I I'm fully in support of you know starting on the downtown as side as well um I would understand all the reasons why we would start on the freeway side I guess the one issue if we do start on the freeway side uh again speaking to Tucson they did their Grant Road widening project and

now they're coming towards a point of well where are we going to find money to make up the little bit that it's increased to even build this in the time that we started this uh so that would be my concern is if we start at the freeway side how far do we get before we say okay well this is now going to be so much more money than we started 10 years ago to finish this out where are we going to find that money uh so if we did start anywhere I I do think starting in the downtown section to at least get that portion of it uh built before we come to the to the realization that we won't have the money to finish out the project uh that that would be my preference as well but again I totally understand why we start the freeway in uh I I can support it either way uh that's that's not really my big issue I think my big issue comes down to what exactly we want our downtown to be and creating a place and that's what I see with a three Ling concept is creating a place that allows us for us to extend our downtown to on the other the the north side of of Florence Boulevard where it's kind of disconnected right now from the rest of the downtown uh we have new business owners coming in on the north side of Florence Boulevard If You Think Costa Collective you know those are all businesses that are happening near Florence Boulevard but they're not necessarily in the downtown area and so this three-lane concept kind of helps bridge that Gap from the South Side in our actual downtown to that north side where it has been transitioning into more of those other downtown uses um that are kind of reclaiming some of the older homes and things like that U for offices or whatever they may be uh which is a typical thing you see in downtowns and the other thing with the three-lane concept uh Brett you mentioned earlier in the meeting about how how you know you you're struggling with whether we we uh allow for for hazardous materials and chemicals and and things like that and then uh with Peter's comment as to you know we're

playing our part our part currently is heavily on the industrial side well how do we kind of increase our economic base where do we how do we get more people who want to live here but may have a highp paying job that is in a high-tech industry and maybe we don't have any Tech Parks here right now a lot of the tech parks are located around our universities like U have a tech park down uh near Vale and then the uh I forget the ASU one that just got a big thing from the governor but you know those those areas how do we try to create some of those areas within our town uh so that we have a greater range of economic um a greater range of salaries and and jobs that we can offer to people uh a greater economic base and so with a three-lane concept you start to entice those types of businesses that are highp paying jobs that are looking for communities that are investing in their infrastructure for their residents so that when they locate there their employees are able to take part in that community and are able to take part in all of the good things that are going on uh through placemaking through that investment in infrastructure through creating walkable spaces that are enjoyable to be in and so that's that's how I see us going to that next step of trying to entice other businesses to locate in Cass Grand uh not just those indust Industrial sectors um so more of the office more of the high-tech uh paying jobs as far as you know lawyers how many lawyers do you see zay's law on like the Billboards and everything but they're all located either in Phoenix or Tucson why wouldn't you have an office here in C a grand if it's supported uh and your employees can have the access to to the different amenities that we could could provide uh so that's that's really my reason for for wanting a three lane is because of the opportunities it provides uh for the city and and the

future it can create for us and just the economic value that it can come from a three lane um and then also just rethinking of whose streets you know right now our streets are are very autod dominated um obviously that's part of culture it's something that's happened over the last hundred years is the automobile has become a thing uh but streets have not always been for automobiles streets and grid plans they've been around since the Romans uh you know timad in North Africa one of the best preserved grid plans of Roman grid plans and that was before cars existed so streets existed for people uh so that's where I think the three lane concept really gets it back to creating that balance between Automobiles and people and so if we can still support automobile traffic which it sounds like all the engineering does say it will support that capacity then we can at least take some of that back for people and create a more inviting space I'll get off my Soap Box okay okay who else I just had a question on when we um changed McMurray many many years ago from four lanes to the three lane concept was that done for the bike pass is that why we did that all the way from panal to Hennis you know I I don't know the answer that right uh Clark do you any idea about that McMurray is now a a collector right and so we have two cross-sections for collectors one is a through Lane in each Direction with a middle turn lane and the others two through Lanes with no turn lane right um both both in our cross-sections that they have a bike path but we might have had to convert it to get the bike path that that that's logical a long time ago so the three the three lane looks real

nice when on McMurray because there's not a lot of folks driving on McMurray but I'm not sure how the three lane I'm not sure how the three lane would work on the Florence stretch yeah you got the conversion was also partially for safety um four lane concept you had to take a left turn out of the left lane correct uh and block traffic so you got traffic moving back and forth between lanes so partially safety thank you thank you anything else okay I've got a couple questions um okay but talking about the bike Lanes um this plan on both have bike Lanes on both sides of the road is that down you know you know I can well the whole the whole strip has the green had that green strip is bik Lanes on both sides is that I mean it does hit bike Lanes on both sides in the freeway and Midtown section yes okay it help me understand why that's important are you a bicy side one side seems to me like do you do you ride bicycles are you a bicyclist I'm a I'm a bicyclist I ride a lot and I ride a lot in the road uh but you you're supposed to ride with traffic right I mean you're supposed to ride the same direction as traffic that's how that's the reason for okay thank youe helping me the safe way to ride a bicycle yes great um any idea oh Jeff Jeff's telling me we could put them together on one side if we wanted to with the well it' be the same space yeah then that's okay whichever is fine um um oh the the what did you call it stamp and seal asphalt um you know really

pretty and and you know that's really cool what what's the life of that treatment yeah I know city of Mesa right now has been doing that on a lot of well all of their crosswalk intersections they actually stamp it imprint it and it's a it's a temperature reducing coating they put on it it lowers unbelievably about 20° which I was a skeptic until I put my hand out there in July yeah and it was like 20° of cooler um a lot of cities are doing it all over the place um it's been you know it's probably about a six-year life on it it's a little more than standard asphalt because it has two sealers on it okay so um if you do like an intersection like what you're looking at there that intersection will last several years longer than a a standard black top um some cities around the country are actually doing their their local streets in a in a black top with a coating on it now amazingly to try to refle it's it's similar to the asphalt same when we got to redo the asphalt which yeah it lasts slightly longer than a standard okay great yes sir um what might happen is the color will fade so the striping and all the maintenance will become the issue potentially sooner you know it won't look all fresh and new for you know 10 years yeah you have to retouch and then power wash yep yeah yes that was my challenge thank you so yes I appreciate that thank you I appreciate that um yeah there some other little details that when when we start doing the real plan for the details we get in dive into the details Paul I have a I have a question what was the reason that the project didn't take in consideration panel why didn't go all the way to panel

well the first reason is it's a state highway oh that's not an excuse we don't have control over panel but I can tell you that you know on our future list is to do a CCR for panel okay and you would catch that little corner when you do p yes yes there is an interest in city council to enhance panel uh as well eventually yeah sure okay yes I know a lot of the conversation on social media has to do with the three and the five Lanes has any traffic simulation traffic modeling provided to the public so they can understand the impact or the not impact because it's very helpful to hear that or see that versus just saying we're going to narrow it right so we did hire a traffic engineering firm Green Lake traffic engineering I believe to model it right both with and is the model we have the model you we have the model that we could show you tonight if you wanted to we didn't take your time to do that but we have modeled it and we have shown it to city council at a work session uh that shows that it does work um with both today's traffic levels and the traffic levels into the foreseeable future oh excellent so we have modeled it okay I want to see it oh I don't I know I'm up all night so it doesn't matter me I'm just trying to help just those those things if they were um put on a website somewhere that way you can always Direct yeah we can definitely do that absolutely I can say that most people are kind of skeptical when they see those they think we're just making that stuff up and and again and again what

we're what we're being asked to make a recommendation on has the options two options so we're not deciding you know we're not recommending I should say deciding we're certainly not deciding right but we're not recommending well what's before us is not you know we we can say that in our recommendation if that's what we want to say oh no but but what what's before us to to be presented has both of them as an option that will you know that decision will be made at the point when we get into to the specifics as he pointed out this is a report it's a general plan I guess a design concept reort design concept that's what it is right yes as as a director said we can reverse boy the starting points too at this session too we can we can recommend that strictly a recommendation okay we have any more no is anybody burning you're burning over there Vander height no no okay you done with me you're done with if it's okay I would like to get to the public portion these folks have been very patient waiting for all this time and I'm sure that's a lot of them are here I'd like to open the public portion of the meeting um to have your comments as you come forward please give us your name and address and please try to keep your comments down to the 3 minutes and please try to reduce the amount of repeating of what somebody else has already said we we sure want to hear from you yes sir my name is Conelly clampet I'm the author of The U latest thing on CG chat that might have brought some of these people here um address is 594 West rine Loop Costa Grande SK Ranch um if any of you read the conversation

that I had on CG chat I am against making going from five to three lanes that being said somebody said that they were an 83% approval rate of doing these things if the question had been would we like to see Florence Boulevard look nicer I would be part of the 83% but what was displayed here two years ago with all the easel of of you know what the changes are going to be that turned me against it especially that part of the the road I think there should not be any parking on uh Florence Boulevard from one end to the other we have enough parking lots um for the businesses with the few exceptions of the ones that are down in the part that they want to narrow down but uh no parking on Florence at all um trees I have a company in California that they had trees out in front of our strip mall um several of my fellow tenants we on an evening went down and cut those trees down because we could not be seen from the street um putting in short flowery uh bushes I think is a fine idea to beautify it but uh to put in the bike Lanes how many bikes have you seen who how many people in this Auditorium ride a bike Jo hands there you go okay I don't think spending the thousands if not tens of

thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars to put bike Lanes in is worth it um also as far as walking this is a very hot Community I drive to the stores I want to go to or if I don't know where they are I can see them and say oh there's a new Five Below right next to the office supply that's great I can see those businesses I'm trying to get to or see a one that I have never knew was there before but in any event uh I think the five Lane to three lanes I think is a bad idea I think starting from the freeway is a very good idea I like seeing the welcome that there thank you thank you appreciate it appreciate your comments anybody else Y come on sat in front for a purpose I made a little talk and it's too late and too long to give to you but I do want to say can we get get your name and address please for the record I'm sorry Mike Henderson 1343 East kingom place in Grande I'll give it to you um I think it's a great idea I don't care where we start I will say when we first started looking at this several years ago I started driving that that downtown portion of Florence every chance I got just to see and I have never ever run into a traffic JY on that half mile section just hasn't happened so I think there's something to be thought of there other than that it seems to me like we're a city in the process of growing up and I want to save what we have that we came for and grow up gracefully so U I think

this can be a great part of it thank you right thank you somebody else name is Diane Collins I live on 1113 North Kadota um I have been on a bicycle standpoint and I have also an H2 Hummer so I know the challenges of driving on Thorn and pulling over and driving on a bicycle as well and the only problems I really had riding on a bicycle is if you're not following the traffic laws so when you come up to the intersections the lights the crosswalks things like that you have to use common sense and slow down beforehand I mean it works it's fine I've drove it plenty of times and I've been in the H I've been had more issues in my Hummer than I did on the bicycle and to shorten it down to three lanes is that mean that no longer we're going to have the parade there anymore because that was the one thing that made me feel like home here is when they had the parades go down Florence and all the lights lit up up down the street and you could see all the symbols all the way down Florence that really made me feel like home so if there's an island in the middle or whatever you guys put or a bike lane so that kind of rolls out the parade right wasn't that the Christmas parade you know what I'm talking about yeah I don't I just find it extremely frustrating that they want to change it down and I don't know where they're getting traffic statistics from I pull out with my kids in the morning and like any normal time when it's busy it's pretty dang busy pulling out in Florence now at like school times and it's just a crazy thing to think that they're going to change all that and they're right downtown needs to be changed first because it's so tight-knit there it's ridiculous and if you put bushes nobody's going to be able to see pedestrians over there especially a little kid with a bush like somebody walking you're not going to be able to see them the only time actually in a bike that has problems with people being able to see pedestrians is right in

front of this building like you cross the road and go on the park side if you're going to be on bicycle because it's so narrow but to change all this for bicycle lane is just crazy they should be upgrading for accommodating people coming in or like fixing potholes or the traffic lanes because or the crosswalks for instance the ones that light up like on front a Safeway that's nice but it only goes in One Direction really to light up this crosswalk right here people always wait there and cars stop for them before they actually go so having like buttons that say crosswalk would be way better than doing a a colored crosswalk on the ground I don't know that's my opinion thank you thank you appreciate it Julie Julie Michaelson 809 North Lumberg uh my first question is in the past 50 years how many times have we revitalized our downtown and since when did we name Florence Boulevard downtown that's not downtown Florence Street and saone are downtown I've lived at 809 North Lumberg or it's been in my family for over 50 years I've watched the town grow I've watched the traffic in our neighborhood I'm now hearing about traffic issues in our friends neighborhoods the areas that you want to reduce the lanes from 5 to three it's very frustrating to watch our town do things that aren't good for our town and that's not one beautify it add trees do whatever you want stamp the concrete but don't reduce the lanes because it's going to affect Arbor it's going to affect Brown it already affects Kadota and Lumberg like it's it doesn't make sense please make a good decision for our community thank you

I'm G Phillips 1736 North Desert Willow Street if you have a traffic steady that says it's okay at to dump it down why don't we try that just set up roadblocks out there block off two lanes or whatever you want to do let us see how it's going to work that way let you see how it's going to work that way I don't think it's going to work I'm against the three three lanes thank you thank you Mark Mark benedetto 815 West Soro Street uh shutting down uh Florence Boulevard to three lanes that's that's a bad thing it's a disservice to to our uh residences a disservice to our businesses along Florence Boulevard uh the traffic would just stand still you you you need two or three stop lights to get through one stoplight uh if you uh want an example uh whenever they're doing work on on Florence Boulevard and shut down one lane uh drive through there and see how long it takes you to get through there three lanes is a bad deal I wouldn't do it all right thank you thank you it's getting past my bedtime I'm dallis 124 little Drive I own a business here in town on Florence Boulevard um

watched it grow love my community don't get me wrong don't love downtown never have been there maybe in my lifetime been here since 1989 I've never seen really what I would call an improvement in downtown they've done all the roads in there why they've ignored the rest of Florence Boulevard I love the concept of being able to have a wider Corridor down into our community uh I love the fact that we could have more bike Lanes but I have the advantage of being right on uh right on a pot of bomb right by the Lowe's right across fromont I watched this last week a five car pilot because people don't pay attention we have a median there I've watched when they came in I watched cars go over the median I watch emergency traffic get backed up and have to go down the wrong lane to get to the hospital because we have medians uh I've watched medians in Chandler Gilbert and I'll go in and come down because of those problems I honestly think that the concept of widen widening is going to take in my front of my store they're talking about taking a pretty major Chunk in front of my store and across the street for a bus stop from the last time we looked at it uh I've already got a drainage ditch in front of mine that the city required me to have so I'm going to lose even more property it's already contain fortunately I bought property behind me so I can expand but the downtown I've driven there A lot of times it's going to be congested no matter how we want to do it y'all are going to do decide what we want to do I like the idea of having some turn lanes and some bike Lanes I watch people ride on the bike their bikes and their motorized bicycles on forence boulevards on the sidewalks all the time running people off that are walking that's unfortunate people in wheelchairs are on there people don't pay attentions and then I watch people on bicycles that run on the traffic with that and cut in an out of traffic and

like Julie was talking just a minute ago uh you you have to watch them cuz they don't stop when you got a turn L you know they're on the side so you have to stop and watch them they're not paying attention they don't follow the rules like we have to on so and and this is going to also cause problems on McMurray and Cottonwood if you've ever gone to Cottonwood during school time it is a nightmare from Colorado to to tle Road both directions so that's going to cause congestions CU people are already starting to do that right now cuz it's already congested on Florence Boulevard I know when we built our building in 1995 we did a traffic study and they said 25,000 cars I think we're there right now so I honestly think we need to look at it I like the idea coming from the interstate because that's the inter and that's the eyes of our community and our community needs to have that look of growth and and going ahead of the game we need to bring those people in cuz with our beautification people will come and stay with us permanently like I did thank you very much for your time thank you short one sorry my name is Lynn cook I live at 1361 East Jordan Drive cast The Grand some of my concerns were um I'm not sure where all this storm reclaimed storm water's coming from doesn't rain here like that um number two you go from four lanes to two it's a bottleneck no matter what okay and if you take it two lanes with all our regrowth going in we're going to have more traffic so there may be a chance that later on

you're going to have to widen that road again keeping it at five five Lane whatever that plan is makes a lot more sense sense and the other thing is all those businesses that are in that small half mile area who's going to pay for their redo of their fronts their Frontage is that going to be them or is the city or the planner whoever is that who's going to pay for that so that's another expense for those people and your pictures are pretty um I don't see that many bikes driving around I don't know why you need an eight or 10t sidewalk anyway those businesses on that small area they all have their own parking areas I don't think you need street parking and if somebody's going to park and you have one lane and someone's parallel parking now I don't parallel park I'm really crappy at it but I can just imagine people in out and holding up traffic that's going while they're trying to parallel park thank you thank you anyone else good evening chairman Benedict commission members City staff and fellow citizens I am Corine Henderson and I live at 1343 East Kingman Place in Cagan thank you for giving me time tonight to speak about the Florence Boulevard project while contemplating the corridor that's anchored by

Florence remember the image goal that the Strategic plan warrants the design concept report is written in accordance with achieving this goal and honoring the general plan importance configuring streetscapes for multimodal transportation with sidewalks and bike lanes and Southwest vegetation maintaining residents and tourists as part of the calculation will certainly impact the downtown revitalization we need to improve traffic retail parking and dining these for enhancements Merit priority designing and though there may have to be some minor refining this concept report has progress and our future aligning the downtown Zone an identified puzzle will assess Lanes later for fewer traffic struggles but please keep both five and three lanes in the concept then one option is double I've studied and digested the design concept report and I'm here to tell you that although my remarks were not short this project for Florence has my solid support I hope each of you will agree to forward a recommendation to city council

to approve the design concept report and proceed with this project thanks for your time and your attention thank you [Music] I'm Lou Berber 1641 North Kota Avenue here in C Grande uh first I'd like to just bring up a few points uh on Paul is it Paul's presentation that he did he pointed out some things that I thought uh were rather biased such as pointing to Facebook group called kasag Grande info and perspectives which is highly supportive of the three lane uh uh rendition I I I suppose uh well we have many other groups in in including CD chat who that has over 55,000 members none of them were mentioned none of their percentages or or numbers so I found it that presentation somewhat biased um one thing is I some Renditions uh of the the three Lane uh presentation that took land from uh businesses on the southern side of Florence Boulevard but I see nothing on the North side so how much of the city hall is going to be taken up by the by that I didn't see any of that what I did notice is that all of that that uh block where the Summers have their businesses and many other businesses there goes all their parking all of it you know and that is a concern for me uh

as as a as a fellow business owner and I support those businesses as well um when we do make that a modeling available for the citizenry I would like uh details of how that modeling was achieved uh such as what resources were used I I'd like I'd like like everything every piece of information in who were there Engineers involved were the citizenry involved who was involved in that modeling and um so in closing this this is not a good idea for for us in reducing the three lanes it is not yes we are growing and um that is going to become even more congesting congested as we grow if we really want to revitalize downtown hey let's start on Second Street let's do Second Street saone uh Florence Street Marshall all the way down to the tracks I think they would like some beautification and let's leave our Florence Boulevard alone for now at least by the time if it started out on the east side by the time it gets to this section I will probably be dead and but I will have um enclosing children and grandchild that will call this home and that's not what I want for them thank [Applause] you anyway the other thing I was going to say was and now she made me forget what I was um um oh I would rather see

them do off of panal or whatever some kind of a I don't know how to do it because I'm not a engineer but go down to Florence Street and make that like your destination not Florence Boulevard but Florence Street it's a much nice I'd walk up and down it make it so I don't know just more appetizing or appealing to people in that area thank you how you doing I'm Bill hon I live at 515 Brown I just don't see where that's going to work like that I mean I've been around town for a lot of times and this just doesn't seem like a very good idea if you want to live get rid of some of the traffic you need to put some side streets like take henis continue it South take some of this traffic off of Florence cuz this is ridiculous the way the traffic is or take everybody should drive up and down at five times during the day and then they think about stuff different it's getting late okay anybody else want to address this issue all right seeing none I'll close the public portion of the meeting and bring it back to the commission chairman I have one more question for staff all right I Paul I noticed on one of the comic cards he had someone from your

downtown staff make a comment about the signage that that signage should say Historic downtown CAG Grand because we are nationally recognized as a historic Community should those be changed on maybe the downtown side so we do have our Historic downtown um I like to call it our Boutique downtown but uh many people as they enter our Florence Boulevard corridor from like panel to Brown they think of it as downtown as well right and so the the idea is to kind of expand Historic downtown into the Florence Boulevard Corridor uh and you know and to really make that connection so you know those are semantics you know we I mean there are many historic buildings in that downtown segment this is one of them right um so whether we call it Historic downtown or downtown I think that's semantics we're not deciding tonight no like we're not deciding on the three versus five Lanes tonight that's either yeah this is a concept report thank you yes okay thank you you're welcome I like that one okay Commissioners I think it's uh back to you somebody's I would like to make a motion Mr chairman would you I would like to forward a recommendation to the city council on the adoption of the Florence Boulevard concept report DCR ds-22 as

00266 there is there no nothing I would like to amend yeah can we amend it like amend it can I please amend that motion this how it works Mark you can make a motion to amend right so so do you want to vote two or three times or do you want to withdraw your motion and let her make it if you're not going to change the phasing that's what I want to do yeah I was gonna say are are you I mean are you and you can keep you can keep your Motion in place that's fine no I I suspect she's gonna add the the suggestion to change and I agree with her so I'm gonna resend my motion and hand it over or you could just say the phasing in your motion no okay never mind he's done what he wants to do so oh let let me pull it back up where were we all right chairman I'll make a motion that we consider forwarding a recommendation to city council for the adoption of the Florence DCR DSA 22266 with the condition that the implementation of the downtown be the first phase of the project okay I second that okay Mark is is that a term okay to be a condition for I guess it's a condition for our recommendation so that's fine yeah or you can call it a recommendation is to switch the either way on the you're all right you're all right with that wording we're good let's we'll move on then okay okay have a motion and a uh second any discussion on the motion not sure I agree we beat this to death already we

have beat this particularly for a preliminary report that's pretty would probably just recommend instead of saying condition say a recommendation to make the downtown first okay so approve it with a recommendation change absolutely change that are you okay second yes second was very good Okay so we've replaced we replaced recomend we replaced condition with recommendation okay that clear clear as mud clear clear particularly for Mill of night all right we good let's vote okay please call the RO member Smith I member alderette I member vender Hayden yes member hubard yes member Peters I Vice chair Garza I chairman Benedict yes job good job y okay really Paul is this you what's wrong Paul is this next thing you what we're ready I wouldn't say I was ready but back door that way what are you doing there Sam thanks yeah no we need to we do don't I just anybody bring we start Mr chair I think you can start sir okay

so I've been working uh for a little bit on some zoning code Tex amendments um that are and um and I have them about 95% done but I wanted to present them to you tonight um to get some of your input before I put the final touches and bring them back to your April meeting for a recommendation to city council um and I'm not going to go through all the details I but I I just want to give you a sense of what we're doing and just hit the highlighted areas uh where I think I would like to get your input so um what I've done here is I've written a brand new chapter to the code called citizen review process we're going to talk about that a little bit formalizes how we take citizen input uh Revis chapter 1768 which is all of our administrative procedures and how we process various applications and I've tweaked some of the uh conditional uses in our commercial and Industrial zones in tweaked some of the permitted and conditional uses in our residential business and Industrial zones none of this is really what I'm going to call significant changes but all the changes should improve the processes see give me a second here see if I get this to work beautiful so is whenever I'm writing new code uh regulations it you know I keep in mind what I'm trying to do and in this case we're trying to I was trying to enhance public engagement trying to increase the efficiency and effectiveness of our development review process achieve a code that's concise easily understood and internally consistent and improved customer service what I'm going to what I'm going to review with you tonight and those code changes that I've written I

think uh do a pretty good job of implementing all of these objectives so citizen review process so uh today in our code we have processes for uh public notification if you will public engagement and they're associated with like the zone changes and major site plans and conditional uses but each one of those sections just sort of talk about how you how what the public engagement looks like associated with that application what I've done is taken all of that out of those sections put it in one section called uh citizen review process so whenever in our code we talk about here's the public notification process with whatever application we're talking about it's just going to refer back to this chapter okay so we're not going to duplicate the language like we do today so we're going to make it more concise um what it does it formalizes and expands the public notice process to include CommunityWide meetings neighborhood meetings mailed notices to owners of surrounding properties City website posting site posting and newspaper notices but what do we really do so what we really did is we said look at our pre-application process we may uh and we have pre we have pre-application meetings and uh and sometimes they involve neighborhood meetings at the preap before even anything submitted but it says the planner gets to make the optional call whether or not to hold a neighborhood meeting send notices any kind of public engagement at the preap stage right because some things don't need notice at prea um but some do right some it's uh

beneficial I'm G I'm going to digress for just one second here and tell you that the fundamental premise here is that including citizen engagement stakeholder citizen input into the development review process makes things work better right um it improves the process it improves the product so we believe it's a good thing we think it's a good thing to listen to what the public has to say about development applications for applicants to hear it for the city staff to hear it and to take it to heart and try to address those issues and concerns in the actual design of the project internal review internal review means you submitted an application to my staff and we start reviewing it right well as far as long it's the same time that all the various City departments are reviewing the application it's going to be mandatory to send notices to surrounding property owners that we are reviewing internally reviewing an application and tell us if you have any concerns questions uh or input right it's mandatory now tonight you heard two applications where that did not occur that did not occur on Sam's medical office building he he noticed it at the public hearing stage and it did not occur on James's uh Self Storage right now if we had done that and we had heard those neighborhood concerns at internal review it would have given staff an opportunity to meet with those concerns neighbors maybe set a meeting with the neighbors and the applicant to talk about what the issues are and what

the the solutions to addressing those issues are what we don't want to do what we don't believe is we don't believe that your public hearing is the best time to hear neighborhood concerns all right it's not the best time to try to find solutions to their concerns for you to negotiate at the at your dis on what to do you did it tonight and you did it well by making bigger trees right but but uh and and those will help right realistically they will help but really that's the kind of thing that really should happen at a staff level before we even get it to you um so we're going to formalize and make it mandatory that we send notices to surrounding Property Owners at the internal review today it's kind of optional uh I want to we're going to make it mandatory obviously we always do notice at public hearings that's not changing uh what would really change is the pre-public hearing stuff and I'm going to tell you that the things I'm telling you tonight about these codes is this particular code has been vetted by the city attorney's office but the other codes I'm going to talk about Mark just got the copies this evening so he hasn't so he may he may tell me that I can't do some of the things I'm going to talk to you about tonight eventually but I I don't think so I think we should vote to a pram tonight sorry excuse me for interrupting please continue Paul on our mail notices we're increasing the minimum distance to notify to 300 feet today our code says 200 feet uh by practice a lot of times we do do 300 but this makes 300 the minimum but even beyond that it talks about that we that staff might increase the distance to 500 to 1,000 whatever is appropriate when deemed necessary for those developments they have a high

potential for adverse impact upon surrounding properties I'm going to give you example of where that actually was done this evening James actually did it and it was on the U on the assisted living facility at the end of Crystal James notified people normally 300 feet around but he went all the way down Crystal he said all these people are going to see the traffic coming to that facility I'm going to notify everyone on crystal that was a good call that's exactly what this says we should be doing right it just formalizes it in the code to say the staff has the authority to do that there is so some discretion on when we do it how far we do it but it formalizes your meeting will automatically end in a few moments please press any key to continue the meeting what are we doing there Sam there okay all right so you hear that that's going to end I heard can you give me slide down it's not moving here for some reason see is it move hang on see oh hang on is it not moving say your meeting will automatically end in a few moments please press any key to continue the meeting oh God as soon as it lets me talk I'll get I'll keep on going so sign posting we did modify the the size and codify the size of posting for zoning cases big signs 4 by eight zoning got to be able to see your meeting will automatically end in a few moments please press any key to continue the meeting Sam I think you have to leave because you're the only par what do you have to do there Sam can you just goodbye all right good night all right so um thanks Sam no problem so for zoning 4 by eight signs

for all other applications 4x4 signs okay so we we're standardizing the signs just so you know we did have some zoning applications where we did smaller ones and there was some criticism and rightly so so we're going to make sure that we get the zoning signs the rezoning signs large this is what our application of notice and and review looks like then we mail it out you know we give people kind of good information we try to give good information on what we're considering you know where it is James even does uh a QR code over here where you can access it and get more information we give information on the project contact who the planner is so you can reach out and get more information we're really are trying to solicit public input into projects so again uh this will go out with every application that we receive so that's it now before I move on are there any comments about the public comment part the P citizen review process chapter are we on the right track do want us to do more do less no I like it too yeah okay good all right it's funny is yesterday at the mayor's state of the city I learned that we were kicking off a engage Casa Grande uh process right to en encourage citizen engagement in with City you know with all parts of the city so this fits in perfectly with that so that's that was great I didn't know we were doing that but um I'm happy what I'm I'm on the same uh wavelength okay let's talk uh the changes to administrative procedures and um so major site plan so for major site plan um the new code says you have to do a

major site plan if you're going to build three uh or more dwellings on a lot uh the change there is today it says four or more uh so it says three but the code also says you that you don't do a major site plan if you're doing a single family or a duplex well we have no idea what you do if you do a Triplex okay it's whole in the system so we're closing the hole if you do a Triplex you're doing a major site plan okay all right um for nonresidential uh major site plan is new construction of 15,000 square F feet uh on a lot or parcel so you're doing a major site plan if you're doing 15 any site plan not meeting the criteria for a major is to be classified as a minor minor site plans are subject to the same development standards as major site plans except they can be reviewed and approved administratively Co goes on to say even though we're reviewing them administratively if they get too complex too controversial uh staff can say we're punting the Planning Commission we we feel this needs a full hearing by Planning Commission and it goes on to say that the administrative decision as staff can be appealed to Planning Commission so what's what's the change here tonight the medical office that you saw was a major site plan this says it could be a minor site plan and done administratively you wouldn't have even seen it we wouldn't have scheduled that that building 8,000 square feet for your consideration we would only schedule major site plans site plans for you that are 15,000 square F feet or larger so question I'm going to ask you if you're comfortable with that now that's right here we go okay now just is the public process still in place for a minor site it is it's the same exact public process except for the public

hearing okay and all the development standards are the same and then the next question on that would be on on the appeal can the appeal do you want the appeal to just be by the applicant right it's not happy or should can the appeal be by anyone who like has standing right any impacted property owner an adjacent property owner staff approves it they don't like it can they file the appeal that that occurs in conditional use permits today and it can occur here um today our major site plans and our minor site plans can only be appealed uh by the applicant so do you want to expand the appeal rights to disgruntled uh ajining Property Owners kind of thing a whole new can of worms that is a whole new can of worms well so those are two kind of policy questions do you yeah but I think well so I guess in the appeal it's if somebody appeals then we're going through the same process that we go through today today that's right right yeah so I don't think we're overburdening anybody depending on what we what it takes to make the appeal right right I mean so I can tell you what the code says to make the appe be that much it's not be a lot it's not be substantially more work for us or or staff they've got to do I mean I'm assuming they we going to have to do the same a similar review to approve it administratively no but they could approve it though without it coming to us right but if somebody objected it's going to come to us then

it comes to us like it would have if we didn't make this change yeah but don't you think it would be multiplied by a lot one person all of a sudden doesn't doesn't like what's going on over there they're within what 300 ft or something like that but I think right now we would hear it anyway we would hear anyway yeah so let me let me just tell you how the conditional use appeal is written and if we do this we probably would structure it like the the existing conditional use and here's what it says says an appeal by the can be made by the applicant or any person firm Corporation group or Association owning real property within 300 ft of the property subject to the conditional use that's a change for that lawsuit Mark um who are aggrieved or affected by the decision okay and then it goes on to say the appeal shall specifically State the grounds wherein the per where the staff failed to conform to the requirements of these regulations um appell has otherwise been grieved or affected by the actions so they have to have a basis for the appeal right it's got to be a legitimate basis that the decision was an error because uh or they were uh adversely impacted by the decision but it could be the applicant or basically anyone within 300 feet of the site could file the appeal of the staff decision to approve the minor site plan and it would come to place a commission and we would see it in new business or we would see it as a separate no you'd see it as new business oh okay yeah

yeah I'm that's fine that's fine then I feel like it's a way to we know what you're processing the public should be happy with right right yeah yeah we're good with it the reason we want to push it down to the administrative level is a they're typically are are on consent they're not or they could be right uh B it's it's faster right they don't have to wait to get scheduled for this hearing it's less staff work we don't have to write a staff report we don't have to do minutes right so it's less staff time it's more efficient for us to do it so there's benefits but the downside can be you want to give people the opportunity to have you hear a project if they don't agree with staff's decision it just it feels a little like a large building to just you know over 15,000 square feet yeah is that okay we feel good about that everybody's good okay so good like and look I mean there's nothing I mean you could do any size building you wanted under this right I'm going to tell you that the prior City I work for every major site plan was reviewed at staff level unless it was associated with a zone change or conditional use regardless of the size so it works as long as you have a good public process a notification process where you're notifying people and you're engaging right I mean um putting all the faith in you yes it could be 5,000 square feet it could be 10 it could be 15 it could be 50 right now I'm telling you 15 because that's in the code today and I tell you where it's in the code today the code says this it's weird but it says any addition of up to 15,000 square ft of floor area can be a minor site plan says that it's

like oh can already be a minor miners are done administratively but then it goes on to say in another section but any new construction of a building on any lot is a major so it's like okay what do I really have here so what we do in practice is if you have a building and you're adding a second building or you're adding an addition it's under 15,000 we do it as a minor if it's a vacant lot and you're adding a building of any size it's a major which is why Sam scheduled the medical office is a major this evening right but if that that medical office had existed and they wanted to do another medical office right next door to what 15,000 we would have done it as a minor it it doesn't make any sense I get it it's not logical that's why I wanted to make the code change to clarify that now look if it's 15,000 and you get a lot of appeals and it's just not working you can revise the code to to pull it back right okay okay so I'll leave it like it is for now the the associated decision on this is your decisions on major site plans when you make a when you when you make a decision on a major the only person who can appeal your decision to counsel is the applicant do you want to broaden it to say that it's the applicant or any party AG reeved who like owns property within 300 feet of the development site can also file an appeal of your decision to City Council on a major site plan chair can I yes please I think keeping it as only the applicant is the best way forward mainly for the fact when we're reviewing major site plans there's pretty strict criteria as

to what they have to meet and so if they aren't meeting that then our decision up here is pretty simple to make and so if they are meeting that and we make the right decision but it becomes appealed by not the applicant but somebody else that appeal will stretch on a project that maybe not needed but then it also opens it up for potential issues further down the line that I don't want to say would allow for somebody like an applicant who maybe feels that a decision was made wrongly and that they meet all the criteria and because of that they decide that they will have a lawsuit against the city because of that that would be my concern if we start opening it up to anybody couldn't appeal and how does that bogg down the the process and what does that end up doing in the future if you know all obviously all of us here are on terms council members Mayors on terms so these people will change out over time somebody who may not have that same thought and they may make decisions that go against what we know to be true as far as determining whether a major site plan is should be approved or not um that that's just my concern yeah and I think that's fine because I the reason for the other appeal is because we don't see it at all right right so we don't have it you know we don't know what's happening in the background that's right at least with the major site plan there's a hearing we know we you know okay yeah so I'll unless there's any dissent I'll leave the major site plan appeal like it is today only by the applicant who has the right to ask for a council it's an appeal or review of your decision I can't remember which it is but we'll figure it out yeah I guess I

struggle with the definition of a grieved it you know obviously it it makes me mad you know okay well I know it's subjective it is subjective yeah so that's why okay I I'll shut up we'll leave it alone I'll leave it alone I understand okay so Dam I got see this is going down hang on see if this works ah beautiful speaking of a review criteria okay um we did change one of the review criteria that kind of doesn't make any sense to just reord it to say look the plan has got to be found compatible with the surrounding land uses kind of a simple logical review criteria that you should be applying right is it compatible not only does it meet all the rules we heard tonight met all the rules for the um for the um self storage building but was it compatible that was a compatibility argument the neighbor was making right and so you we did you did things to try to make it more compatible right um you could have reduced the height of the building to make it more compatible I mean you have the authority to do those kinds of things within this compatibility review criteria it's a little more discretionary if you will but it's a good criteria used in thousands of cities throughout the US I guarantee you it's a review criteria Garrett can back me up on that yes um okay we already talked about the appeal process so we're not going to talk about that anymore um duration today once in a major site plan's approved it's good for one year I'm going to tell you that about maybe half if we're lucky of the major site plans that are approved go to building permit with one year right it's

just too short of a period of time time right it needs to be longer so this says we're going to make it valid for three years give them three years to apply for a building permit um with a one-year extension that could be granted by the planning director with a finding of good calls you got a good argument for why you can't get it done in three years um site plans with multiple buildings you know you might have uh an apartment complex or industrial complex whatever with multiple buildings it extends it out to five years if the building permit is not issued prior to the expiration new site plan approval is required so um I don't have any concerns with these kinds of time frames these are time frames that I've used in other communities um one year is is kind of way too short um for someone to get a plan and then get the financing in place and all the other things that need for construction so are you okay with this lot of that pardon we've seen a lot of that where they go through the approval process and then come back see nothing don't see anything right or sometimes you you don't see it behind the scenes but they're like they their plan expired and we have to get a have a process to reapproved so we use the minor amendment process where myself in the chair kind of reauthorizes it for another year because nothing's changed but it's just a waste of of time right yeah but they do have ex extenuating circumstances I'm what's holding them up yes you know valid reasons too so the the downside for this is if you approve it and then you change a code a development standard then their approval is still grandfathered under the old development standard for three years right you don't get to I don't get to say oh your approval is no good because your development standard changed right

that's the downside um um so um but you know I think that's a a slight risk I don't think that's a big risk any thoughts on this idea I think that's fine I think um what are subdivision residential time frames in terms of what the the expiration they don't expire once they're recorded oh wow see those are the ones that concern me these final plants final plats never expire once they're recorded yeah those are the ones where the dynamic of the transportation piece can change throughout the years that they're encumbered yeah preliminary plats expire but not final plats okay once they're recorded they're locked in yeah okay well I'll move forward with this you again you guys will see the actual code and have change of opportunity to to modify I just want to get you up to speed okay so in the code today um like in the B2 code let's say in B2 it says Auto Repair is allowed as a conditional use and then it might say Auto Repair is allowed and the B3 is conditional use but they they repeat the standards for that auto repair in each of those Zone districts so every one of these conditional uses you see that are all allowed I'm not changing necessarily where they're allowed um but I'm taking the standards for that conditional use and just moving them to one location right and say that that auto repair is allowed in the B1 subject to the development standards in X section of code so just referring uh the reader to one section of code where they can find the standards so they they're just all in one

place the one thing that is a change is convenience food with drive-thru so what I've done is I'm going to I'm recommending that a convenience food store with drive-thru is a conditional use but a convenience store convenience food without drive-thru is not it's a permitted use so what's the difference what's a convenience food here's a convenience food subway ice cream store uh Chipotle uh Papa Murphy's all of those are convenience food by definition and need conditional uses from you right you've you've seen them right uh baros pizza right every one of those is a convenience food there's no reason why they shouldn't just be permitted uses they're just restaurants that serve food a little differently the kind of restaurant that has impact potentially as impact are ones with drive-throughs right Starbucks Dutch Brothers Burger King right so those who drive-thru would continue to be uh conven conditional uses but convenience food that don't have dry food just because they what we call Quick Serve in the business today right where you walk up to a counter you order your food you get the end you get it and you go sit down and eat it but you might take it out right but you're not driving through I'm proposing that those convenience food be made permitted uses and the only conditional uses are the ones with drive throughs are you fundamentally okay with that concept okay good see we're we're making some enhancements here right all right here's a few other things we're going to recom to do Model Homes model home complexes today which again you see as conditional uses uh and you have to have a hearing on them because you can't put them on consent because they're a conditional use

right they're also in the code as a temporary use I don't know one section of code says it can do them is a temporary use administratively and one says it's a conditional use so it's like take them out as conditional use they're piece of cake they're just like new single family homes that are being built with a temporary parking lot and some porta-potties and and so there's no reason why we can't just do those administratively as a temporary use don't need to waste your time schools state law has changed to say schools and public and charter schools are totally exempt from local zoning that's state law today so our code though says no no got to have conditional use so there's a conflict between our code and state law our attorneys are going to look at that to make sure we should be taking them out but my my thinking is let's not conflict with state law let's align oursel so because the public could be like oh I got the right to for a hearing on a conditional use for this charter school no say loss as you don't right okay uh home occupations uh that's real technical just says the code says they're assess permitted assessory uses which is true but they're subject to standards like these are homebased businesses which are allowed with limited standards and you need a home occupation permit delete church and replace with a religious institution just trying to expand in our residential zones that it's not just a church it could be a church could be a synagogue could be a temple could be you know any kind of recognized religious institution not just a church so just kind of redefining that language anguage um now we are proposing to remove churches it's actually religious

institutions now uh as conditional uses and allow them as permitted uses in all those Zone districts and the reason we're recommending that is there's a a a law and Supreme Court rulings it's called a Rupa religious land use institutions persons act whatever but anyway BAS basically says this hey you have to you can't treat a church different from other assembly type uses that you allowed in your Zone District so if we allow a movie theater in the B2 or the B3 we as a permitted use we can't say a church is a conditional right they're both assembly uses got to treat them equally just neutralizing that coming in conformance with Rupa and the Supreme Court cases to say they are permitted uses with all when there's other an equivalent assembly use in the same Zone we just talked about convenience food restaurant with no drive-thru we don't to cover that again uh one another one's a technical one where it says restaurant of not more than 3500 a small restaurant excluding convenience food is allowed in certain Zone districts so just going to delete the excluding convenience food uh commercial Recreation we've kind of broken out into two categories commercial recreation with outside activity that might be let's say Top Golf um mini golf right um and uh could even outdoor oh outdoor soccer we had outdoor soccer right the other day that's commercial recreation with outside activity that continues to be a conditional use but if it's indoor if it's indoor um batting cages indoors um

could be axe throwing right uh we have one of those those can be indoor Recreation which are permitted uses because they don't really have impacts outside the uh the four walls um and then lastly to modify bowling alley as a permitted use within the B2 and B3 you know we have a bowling alley that had a roof problem they're going to rebuild it Havens I mean a B2 Zone that doesn't even allow bowling alleys so I can't even let them rebuild it there this change will allow the bowling alley to be a permitted use in their Zone District which it should be right don't I don't know why it's an industrial zone is where they're allowed so but this kind of brings it up to reasonable current standards you know what that's it oh oh my God okay so those are the the main changes the main changes that I'm going to bring to you at your next meeting um any any input questions you caught us too late in the night we are ready to you should have had his boat on him because we just whatever but the professor and his team are lurking in yeah so so I was about to stop you um I don't think we can go another hour hour and a half they waited all I know we can do it see 30 minutes do it okay yeah get exactly those question I've been out voted haven't I Mark's over here laughing at me do you need to take a five minute break yes I'm going to take a break uh yeah so uh director director um if it's okay we can read what yes I'm did the coun did the council go against us on anything no not

okay good we're good we reports um uh without any objections we're adjourned see in five minutes okay all right Sam I fix