Committees - Regular Meeting

Ich erkläre diese Sitzung des Ausschusses für kommunalen Wohnungsbau. Veröffnet. Danke, dass du dabei bist. Wir sind heute Abend eine kleine, aber feine Runde. Wir haben hier das Protokoll. Wollt ihr einen Blick darauf werfen? Should I submit the application? Please. I'll apply for the approval.

Everyone for it? Yes.

All right. I'll share my screen. I have a presentation for you tonight. Do it. That's all. We need analysis for living space. It's online.

We're on it.

The flyers are distributed. The survey website is live. We have up to 49 answers from the population and four from companies. Our last survey had about 150. We have to increase the numbers. Wir müssen ständig am Ball bleiben. Der beste Teilnehmer bekommt ein Steakmesser-Set. Im... Das ist meine Mission. Ich wollte nur... Wisst ihr, das sind die Flyer. Wir haben die englische und die spanische Version. Die liegen im Rathaus aus. Ich war bei einer Reihe von Geschäften. Ich habe sie vor ein paar Wochen aufgehängt. I will probably look around again this weekend to see if they are still there. I see the IG flyer is often covered.

Oh really?

And there it is very confusing. We could probably do something about it. But if you know other places where a flyer should go, you can take it here and distribute it. So that's the flyer for the citizen survey. Then we still have the one for the companies. We want to close our companies in the next two weeks. I know, Peter was busy. He said he's taking care of it now. Matt was a little out of it. I think, if I know, you have a few people on your list and I think we should go through the table in the next two weeks and And at least hand it over to someone. I know it was also about the trade chamber. People may have already seen it, but we have to encourage them to do so.

That's also on the city website.

It's online. The surveys are on our website on social housing construction. And that links to the ... So every single point is separate. You know, it's a different place, but the QR code leads you directly. there or they just click on it and get there. So, about the housing demand analysis, I think I spoke to Taylor last week. Well, the idea of going through the open door one day. Sie brauchte etwas Zeit, um die Dinge vorzubereiten. Wir dachten eigentlich an irgendwann im September, aber wissen Sie, wir sind jetzt schon fast Mitte September. Mitte September. Also hat sie mir das diese Woche zusammengestellt, oder zumindest haben wir bei dem Telefonat darüber gesprochen, aber sie hat es schriftlich festgehalten. Und sie haben alle einen Ausdruck davon. Hier ist also die Idee, lassen Sie mich wissen, ob das Datum passt. I didn't want to do it at the weekend. There is a lot going on on the Day of the Indigenous Peoples, but I think the following Saturday could be good. I have reserved the community center for this time, around noon. We could probably postpone it if we want. And I also think that we should do a kind of repetition. That would be it here. The idea is that Taylor and possibly Eve come and support us. You will have stations. You know, big boards for each of these points. The stations form a day of the open door, so that people can come and go as they want. We can all be there as long as our time plans allow. Take care of a station and talk to the people. I think the stations would be in the background of the project to show where we are. Station 2 would be the existing conditions. This includes things like demographic trends of the population, the speed of living space and the gap analysis. Station 3 is a kind of overview of the existing use of space in the site. Discussions about areas where additional living options could be appropriate. Station 4, that depends a little on whether it is an intermediate result from the citizen survey and the company survey. If we get more and you can process them, you will have diagrams or a summary of the results. How do local companies really achieve and can make a large part of it in time? You know, Taylor said it would be great to have these final results of the company survey, to have Hedo. So that you can draw conclusions from it. Station 5 would be, how can the community housing committee best support housing solutions in the city? That would be... That's what we're doing now. We can, you know, we have room to present what we're working on, the ADU Plus 1 program, the MEET program, CDLI, and you know, to get feedback and to discuss with the people what they think and what they want to see. And then station 6, I think the most important part would probably be to have a laptop or a tablet, so that we of course have paper copies, but also so that the people can fill out the survey directly on site. There are not so many questions. We can take them through, help them and have flyers that they can take with them to distribute them in the community and bring their friends to participate in it. So that's about the core of the matter. We have about a month from now to prepare for it. And the most important thing is actually to participate in the survey so far. I would also like to turn on an ad in the reporter for the community survey, just um die Umfrage bekannt zu machen, wenn wir das Datum für den Tag der offenen Tür festlegen können. Also wissen Sie das dort hineinbringen und dann eine Anzeige im Reporter für den Tag der offenen Tür schalten. Wenn wir es in der Woche davor machen, wäre es der 8. Das wäre also eine volle Woche. Wenn wir es in der Woche selbst machen, käme es an einem Donnerstag heraus und hätte nur ein paar Tage. Zeit, um veröffentlicht zu sein. Das ist also etwas, worüber wir im Zeitplan nachdenken müssen. Ja, und wissen Sie, wir müssen in den nächsten zwei Wochen wirklich diese Geschäftsumfragen bei den lokalen Unternehmen durchführen. Damit Sie Nelson Poe Forrest die Daten zusammentragen, auswerten und zusammenstellen können. Bitte.

I didn't want to interrupt you in your speech.

Oh no, just to.

So, with the film before this one, is there a possibility for some kind of input to one of these stations, or is that so fixed?

This is the design that Taylor sent me this week. And yes, any feedback is welcome. You will probably prepare a kind of infographic version of it, like a poster wall. um sie an dieser Station aufzustellen? Also ich denke, wir sollten Ihnen unser Feedback noch diese oder nächste Woche geben und während Sie diese Plakate oder Ergebnisse vorbereiten, können wir natürlich auch dazu Stellung nehmen. Also ich denke, ja, bitte.

Okay, ja, es geht eigentlich nur um Station 2, wozu ich ein paar Anmerkungen habe, die ich dir schicken kann. Okay, großartig.

What do you think of the date? I mean, we've reserved it now and I think the community center is a good place. Place? Yes, that's a good place. I don't see any problems there.

I think it's bram, my only comment on the date. I think it's okay. It's more about whether we really manage to get the business surveys in and be able to respond to them. I think that's the only question about the time. It is in about a month, maybe five weeks, I assume, to ensure that we have enough time for it. But the date seems to be in order.

Yes, I think we may not be able to finish the business survey in time and get a final version of it presented. But I think that was a bit of Taylor's wish. But the longer we leave the survey open, the next thing we have to think about is when we close the survey. You know, how long do we leave it open afterwards? I think if we do that in mid-October and leave it open until November, then that might be the end. And then they still need time for the overall report. There are a few temporary aspects that you have to think about.

Maybe that's exactly what drives people to fill out the survey. That's the way it is.

Right. Exactly.

We have a deadline, you know, that always helps.

Well, yes, the other thing I said earlier, I mean, I think A meeting on Saturday is good, but I also think we could possibly repeat it on a weekday when the people... Maybe some people... I mean, it's still postseason. A lot of people are working on Saturday and I see a lot of people who might not be able to make it there. So, you know, it doesn't have to be a big deal, but I think it's worth thinking about. Is there a second session a week later? Or so to offer?

On Wednesday evening.

Exactly. And you know, maybe Taylor and Yves don't have to include that, but so many of us could include it. We can and we will be practiced until then, because we will have already done it. So, TVA for that matter. So give me feedback on this design for the day of the open door. I'm thinking about it. We can let Taylor come in next week. I think that was it for the apartment building update. Do you know where the table with the companies is? There is a table that I have shared. I can link it to you in case you can't find it in an email. So, ADU plus one program. We're still working on it. It's still running. I have the feeling I've updated it. I think these are the right numbers, right? We didn't have a meeting with CDI last month. Casey, our main contact there, is leaving. He's going to law school. We're trying to find out how we can stay in touch with you. I got a little update today, but... I think most of these numbers are actually from July. So we've completed five ADUs. The number is slowly increasing. One is under construction and it's there. That's from July. So do you know what the limit is? That's 90% finished. This one in construction is now almost finished. One underscores the start of construction in September. Okay, so you should start now. A design start.

I just have my new planner. I just have to upload it.

And then we have, you know, this somewhat vague number of people who have been approved but have not yet signed, you know, who have not yet submitted their documents. Or for some reason have not yet fully established themselves. I know one of the people at the ZBA was approved. This week, so that's great.

I just sent you someone new today.

So you're probably another person.

To me or to?

To the AD website and I said if you have any questions or problems, you should call or write an email or whatever.

Liz and I spoke to someone last week and at the Green Expo we spoke to a number of people, a person who had left and is perfect for it. And you know, somehow interested in getting back in. And I know in your little list of, you know, new contacts, there are other names. There are still places available here. I'm not sure how many exactly, but it feels like about half. Do you know how many films are finished? We have three that are currently running. Yes, that's eight. So you know, there's still a lot of free time. If you still want to sign up for the people who have not signed up, please fill out the form. There is state money to create full-year living opportunities for people. Our big project is the rental project on Route 114 with CDLI and partners. A lot happened in the last month. We met, the city council and I met with CDLI partners and lawyers. Oh, we're getting this here. We talked to you in advance about all the The agreement and the lease agreement. They will give us feedback. This meeting will take place on the 16th, so next week. We should also have a preliminary situation plan at some point after Labor Day. To which we then comment. And on which we will work. We have to do a couple of things. One is a test fountain in 16 Menantik. I got a cost advance, which I think... They were the only ones who contacted me. I had called someone else, but they didn't answer. I could guess, but... This cost advance for the test fountain was 9,000 MW.

Test. What is the price, if we want to use it for the actual fountain?

Yes, that's the thing, to dig a real well. To be a real one. He's just not in operation.

He's only in operation when you put the pump and the power on. So it's in the well that you can rearm.

And would he be sufficiently sized for what we... So he has to be at the actual location in the back area. You want to have him at the very back? Because he's in a measurement of... You want to have him where he will be permanently housed.

Okay.

So maybe something has to be cleared up so that they can get in. Okay. Is that this, uh... bamboo forest? No. No. That's far ahead. Okay.

Would it make sense to get a kind of preliminary consent from the health office for... That's exactly what it is.

So this test well delivers you the water sample that shows the drinking water quality. Then the health office approves the location. And then you make your active well out of it, from which you know that it can be converted.

So you approve the location without having the actual location plan, which shows where your clearing pit is in relation to the neighboring properties and... Now this.

We have... the preliminary... like what Matt Sherman did.

For a while.

For a while.

So we have a preliminary location plan. And we actually know pretty much where the fountains have to be to keep the right distance to the sanitary facility in the neighborhood. Including the red stamp.

This one here is not officially stamped, but it has already been checked by the health office for... What I wanted to get out of it.

Yes.

Problems. Perfect. So it depends on what Lati presents as her final version. But yes, it is state-owned. The test fountain will ultimately be your fountain.

So these costs are effectively equivalent for all practical purposes. With the construction costs and the hard costs. Please.

I think we understand it like this, if we, and I have to, we have to approve this, make an application. So we take over these costs now, but then it will be less in the end. Someone, I make the application to approve this.

Now approve the issues. All right.

All for it? Yes. Okay, great. So let's move on. Thank you. And then we talked about the next phase of the layout during the visit. But I'm not quite sure how that will happen.

I think that should be coordinated with the engineer. That's what you said, because it's about where to place the structures and how it will work with the sanitary system and the drain. And that's why they're going to coordinate it together in order to... That's my understanding from our point of view.

And we have a kind of cost advance from Ken and the road construction department.

So these are additional costs that we'll have to approve later.

But... I think that's the main thing. The other paper you have is this... Small info-handout for the 114 project. I really just want to have it by hand. To show the people what we're doing. Because I have the feeling that there are a lot of questions about what this project is. It's been going for a while, but you know, I think we need a two-sided sheet to show it to the people and we can have that on our day of the open door for the apartment question. To arouse interest, you know. So. So I'll put it in as a proposal. I want your feedback on it. I don't want it to be too detailed. But it should contain enough information so that people... You know.

A suggestion?

Yes. Because people are always confused about the 120% of the average regional income. They constantly think that you have to earn exactly that to qualify. Mein Vorschlag ist daher, im zweiten Absatz zu erwähnen, dass die Anspruchsberechtigung für diejenigen gilt, die bis zu aber nicht mehr als 120% des mittleren Einkommens verdienen.

Ja, klasse.

Haben aber nicht mehr als, denn ich denke, das könnte es klatschen.

Right. And even in all the legal documents that we have created for the management, we had formulations that were much clearer, because it was called, it was called, income qualified people qualify, or whatever, or whatever. Or, or below, and you are, yes, exactly. Yes, and I just wrote in these 120%, because that's what we said before, but we'll explain that with CLI and what their financing structure will look like. So, you know, it's not quite fixed yet, but we have to finish it in a few weeks.

Because I just know that people... And it's confusing. ...think that I have to earn 120% or more to qualify as my partner.

Yes, exactly. That's a justified point.

And yes, I mean, the most important thing is the last paragraph. You can sign up here to learn more. That only leads us back to our housing board page. So I want to create something. Either a separate page or something similar.

I know.

We have to think about how to make this super clear for the people, uh... ...for them to sign up and... ...just do it. So. Uh, yeah, that's it. Let me know what you think. I think that's it for the 114th MEET project. But it's moving. That's good. The moment you've all been waiting for. Our communal housing fund.

Yes.

For August. We have with 2016, 60, 91, 50. We have 47,000. All earned. Our dividends cheated 6,100. And now we have a total of 2,196,000. That's not so bad. It's pretty good. You know, at some point these dividends will cross each other. If we don't start giving out. Yes. Well, the thing is, we have a luxury problem to reserve something for the next round of the CPF.

So we're going to put more money in there.

Oh, we still have to check that. Excellent.

Oh, you should have such problems. Um. Report of the city authorities. Mac, you are representing our city council here.

But she didn't really give me a report. We checked that in the city council. We looked at the contracts and things you worked on. So we checked them. We gave Miriam notes. So we stayed on the ball. And then we made the on-site appointments to all three objects. And that was basically everything. We haven't had a meeting since last week.

So I have nothing urgent to report.

No, it's still summer. Surprisingly, everyone is busy.

There's a lot going on. So.

Does anyone have any old topics or things to address that we haven't covered? I have a few things that I wanted to go through briefly, but we were at the Green Expo. We made a nice banger. So we can use that in other places for other things. Excellent. And hopefully it will be friendly and inviting. This is what we have for our day of the open door, in case we plan further info stands or events. At the Green Expo, we received some feedback on our survey. We also talked about the ADUs. Casey was there. And one of the things, if we do it again next year, would perhaps be a bigger presentation. Of course, we will apply what we are doing right now. But I think we should talk about the municipal housing development committee. and intelligent growth or sustainability somehow link it to the Green Expo, because I have the feeling that everyone else is concentrating on it and we will be somewhat understated in the end, but we need a better presentation. That's what I mean. Who we are. Who we are, what we do.

We are also thinking about renaming the Green Event next year and making it more of a program for community education. Since we have many different committees and not all of them have to do with sustainability, such as the senior center, we are thinking in this direction. If we take it more as one of the city-sponsored educational events, we can apply the whole thing more broadly and maybe address even more people, so that you don't have to look so specifically.

But yes, I think it's a bigger task for our group anyway. It's simple for many reasons.

Meaningful in a city like ours.

And I think we want to win as many allies as possible. And it's like in the Hudson Valley. the group I told you about, which brought together the monument protection groups and the land trust groups and the housing construction groups in order to somehow bring them to the same course and to work towards the same goal. So I think that's how we have to think. So just something we should think about for next year.

Fran, I just wanted to say I want to follow up on that. Ich finde die Idee toll und ich glaube, du hattest auch einige gute Vorschläge, als wir dort waren, um es vielleicht etwas interaktiver zu gestalten. Ich denke, es gibt Dinge, die wir tun könnten, um die Leute einzubinden. Also ja, plus eins. Und dieses Banner war wirklich großartig. Ich hatte eine Frage zu dem Banner, weil ich es so sehr liebe. So sehr. When we were at the three locations, I think we talked about whether it might be possible to hang up a banner there so that the people who pass by know that something is coming, if that's okay with us.

Yes, I mean, we mentioned that at the local visit with the city council and Amber seemed to be in favor of it. Well, I think I want to discuss this with CDLI and see what they say about it. But I think as soon as we start to clean up the terrain or carry out some work there, that would be a great idea. Soon available. Cool. So new agenda points. I just have a few things to note here. That came in via email this week. And I signed up for it. A lecture from the NYU Furman Center about AMI and the impact of AMI on racial justice. If I manage to take part, it's in two weeks on Thursday. But, well, you already know. Oh, great.

Yes, that's where I'm going. Yes, that's actually really a part of the work I'm doing right now.

That's why I'm very excited to listen to it. Oh, that's fantastic. I can be there. Yes, maybe I want to report on it. Uh, about that. for our next meeting. Because I think it is, you know, this is how we talk about payability, because it is really the only measure that everyone uses. But you know, I think it obviously has its limits. I will pass this on to anyone who wants to have it. That's why I sent you an email. Because I was on Block Island a few weeks ago and there's a message there. They're developing a property there. I don't know how big the actual property in Acres is. But they're building eight duplex houses there. There will be 16 units. It's modular. They're building in phases. The first ten foundations. You will make all the foundations in autumn.

You will start this autumn with the construction of the first five and the other three have to wait. That's a good idea.

You will sell these. The estimated costs are $265,000. You know, it wasn't really said whether there are two bedrooms or one, you know, but...

Uh, you know, I think it's not in this area.

So there will be a lottery for those who want to buy the units? The people are entitled to income according to the standards of the city and the state of Rhode Island. The income levels of the city of New Shoreham are allowed to exceed 120% of the median income in the state of Rhode Island. Not exceeding 100% of the requirement in the state of Rhode Island. You're calculating it for some reason, not just for Block Island. What do you know? Ice. Rhode Island is not so legal. So yeah, 100% of the AMIs in Rhode Island are $88,000. So to be eligible, you have to be in New Shoreham, so Block Island, and you have to live on Block Island for 12 months per year. However... So these are, you know, your admission requirements. Can we do that here too? I mean, it seems like it would be... You know, the thing is, it seems to be possible, right? Since we talked about it last time. I think it is possible that they finance it.

I think they finance it all themselves.

And no, maybe you and I can contact them next week or something like that and see if we can learn more about it, how they do it, you know, how they put it all on their feet. I don't know, the architecture was made pro bono. I have the feeling that the construction is somehow, I don't know, maybe... You know, it's modular, but I think...

I would like to look at the financial data for this.

I'll see what I can find.

What immediately catches my eye is the 1% tax on all seasonal rents in the city. That was really the first thing that came to mind on the page and I think we should maybe discuss that a little more closely.

This is the Black Island Housing Board. That's where I discovered this thing. Um, exactly. We have our half percent tax on transfers. You know what?

We have three or four transfers a year and we have, you know, 2,000 rents.

Yeah, we have far more than that. I mean, whatever it is. I mean, we're at two million dollars, right? But, yeah, that's kind of a different thing. You know, a different kind of financing. And I ask myself, you know, I didn't dig that deep. I ask myself, how much do you take in? I have the feeling that with this project you have a little over a $2 million warrant, which may be a grip from Rhode Island. But the way they finance it is also the reason why they build the first ten to sell them first. And then finance the next ones. And you know, it's the same thing. The country obviously belongs to the city. It's a kind of property housing situation. You would own the unit and could sell it. I'm sure that's also somehow contractually regulated. Exactly, you can't sell it for 3 million dollars, but you can sell it for a certain percentage. And the other thing that I liked about her was a really simple guide that I think we should take over. The purpose of the housing board is to create the living space that remains permanently affordable for the residents of Block Island. I think that's what we're working on. So I think you could just change it to accommodation.

Short and crisp.

I just like that. I mean, that's... exactly. And when I took over the chair or whatever, Liz said that it was one of the tasks you had to do, namely to update the management plan. We talked about it in January. We haven't made it official yet, but we should maybe think about it. So, more news. The pensions are not that interesting. That's in East Hampton. There a version of pensions was legalized. It's interesting. Maybe you should take a look.

Is that more for, let's say, staff closures?

Staff closures.

Legalized staff closures. That's a problem we have here. The regulations don't actually allow it, but it's not really sustainable based on the definition of families in the federal state of New York. Okay. We have to adjust the regulations a little.

Now, wouldn't the health office have something to say about it?

No, the health office would be responsible for the hygienic part, but this concerns our urban regulations. It is unpleasant and somehow forbidden, but not really, but it is unclear and it can't be, it has to be corrected. Okay. They obviously worked on it.

Yes, they worked on it and it was signed. I think that came out today. Um, it's a bit strange, but it's interesting. And yes, I mean, I wonder, and this whole company survey really makes me wonder how the hotels, restaurants and larger companies on Shelter Island employ their employees. That's a big deal.

And a single structure could very well take a large part of the annual pressure to find a real stay for someone, instead of putting three or four employees in a one-room apartment, you know, and unloading it.

Basically, you rent a room from your employer on the same property, just like they do in East Hampton, on the same property as the company. There are only 25 companies that will receive this special license in the old town of East Hampton. Why only 25? I think they just want to limit it. You know, I think there are definitely some strange aspects to it, but you know...

I mean, I have slight concerns when it's a business that also offers living space, and it's... A... you know... A company city, you know, you don't really want that.

No, that's exactly what it is.

I mean, I remember, I think they still do that at Pritwin, you know, they had the quarters for boys and girls over the kitchen. These were students who came from abroad. Where else were they supposed to stay? You know, and it was purely seasonal. Um, but nowadays people come from abroad... Lisa!

It's just another matter. You just can't go back, you know. Well, yes, I mean, we actually already have that, because companies rent 8-9 houses a summer to keep their staff. And that's why I mean, it's already happening. Yes. But at least it would be better regulated here. You would have, you know, proper fire protection tests. You would know that there is a proper EWAS. You would understand that, you know, the right number of people is in the house. As you know, there are some control mechanisms that could be advantageous.

No, you raised your hand, please. Please.

Yes, I, uh, yes. I mean, I have to read into it specifically, but I just wanted to point out that a rental house, as it is described here, is something different than residential communities, which in my opinion is what most companies are currently doing on Shelter Island. What they're doing is they're taking a house and it's a residential community where, on the other hand, the Pitwin example would probably more suit the model of the rental house.

And I think there are two different things you should find out about what would work on Shelter Island and what makes the most sense in the face of the housing stock.

Sure. Yes. This is from the East Hampton Star. So I can share this link. The next thing in East Hampton was this ADU loan that we talked about earlier, but you just signed the applications. Sie haben eine Million Dollar aus dem Community Housing Fund für 10 Darlehen genommen. Es ist ein zinsloses Darlehen über 100.000 Dollar, das bei Verkauf der Immobilie zurückgezahlt wird. Es muss erschwinglich vermietet werden. Ich glaube, das ist der Fall für alle ADUs in East Hampton und South Hampton. Es gibt also eine, wissen Sie, eine Erschwinglichkeits... Und wir stapeln das auf einige der anderen Dinge, die verfügbar sind, oder? Dieses Darlehen. Wissen Sie, wenn wir diese, Sie wissen schon, CDI-Dinge haben, das ADU-Darlehen... I mean, the supply could add to that. I mean, if we wanted, if we wanted to create our own personal, you know, Shelter Island version of it. That's why I brought it into the conversation. Yes, definitely could. And the reason why we could do something like East Hampton is because maybe we should add the payability or something like that. As a prerequisite. Yes. Your application deadline ends in August. You have 23 applicants for the 10 seats. Understood. And by lottery, it is then decided who will get the loan. You also increase the number of local ADUs, because you have a top limit of 100 for the entire city. And I think you distribute these new ones based on school districts or local parts, depending on where the interest was. Is that true for the whole East Hampton township or just for the village? Village. No, the city. The city of Montauk. 23 in East Amagenz, 76 in East Hampton, 32 in Montauk, 13 in Saar-Karabach. And that's... The worry was always, I think, oh, we're afraid that if we allow too many ADUs, the schools will then be overloaded. Yes, there will be, you know, too many people in the schools, which is probably not a real worry.

And you also said in the same article that this is the current upper limit and you are open to increasing it. The last point is the Lease to Locals program, which I talked about a few months ago.

We have planned it for next month, so she will talk to us. So, I will maybe talk to one of the people there next week to vote for me again. And maybe they will hold a presentation for us. I may have already shared the deck with you. She sent me something.

But she will explain how it works.

You know, it also happens in other places and it's a kind of... You know, that's a use for a municipal housing fund or another source of funding. You would ... ... subsidize the owners of the house so that they can rent out residents and people who work and live here all year round. So there are different ways to determine the right numbers for a location.

So the rents are covered and they do the same through a kind of ... I forgot if you sent the deck around or if I went to the website when I read it, but I remember seeing her model. It was an interesting concept.

So yes, let's leave that. I think that should also be on the calendar for the next time. That's it from my side. That's really a lot.

A question, because the sign just reminded me of when all these things are hung up. The one thing, because I remember how I ran around and hung up a lot of them. And I noticed a few things. But first of all, I don't think we have anywhere else but our own areas for it. But the flyers, I mean, flyer, flyer, and you know, you can go to stores. And it's just a rumble. Unless you stand there for ten minutes and wait for your order. It's just a rumble. I've never seen anyone in the entrance area of the I.G. or at the exit who looks at anything. It's still a wall full of... So I'm just asking about...

I have to say, I've seen a lot of things there.

And sailboats and stuff. I don't have to go to the I.G. Certainly. Yes. But now, what should we do? We should hang the sailboat for sale and hang the QR code. But are there other places? My point is, I don't know what restrictions there are, like at the post offices, to which every shelter-insulaner has to go.

Federal building?

No. I once tried to stand in front of the post office and got annoyed.

Oh, you just have to stand on the walking path. Okay, so they are taboo. There are recycling centers, like places where everyone has to go.

Recyclinghof. Dort kann man Sachen aufhängen. Will ich einfach mitkennen. Meistens habe ich Glück mit der Bibliothek.

In der Bibliothek.

Ja, sie sind offensichtlich im Umbruch, aber sie sind normalerweise ein guter Ort zum Aushängen. Das Seniorenzentrum. Die Kirchen.

Andere Orte.

Ja, ich habe Stars und die Fähren abgeklappert. Die Fähren sind von Ellies, Icelander, Marias und Spanish.

I also did God Hill. I think that's what I gave him. But whatever.

It's a senior center. So yes, I mean...

I think these places that are just so impregnated are unfortunately probably the least effective, because... I mean, it's just noise again.

I guess the other thing we could think about, and I think I've already mentioned that, is just to set up a table somewhere, just... And We have an invitation to Kars from which I don't know the date anymore, but it's like...

It's not there. It's outside, Andrea.

Okay, we can check that. It's in the middle of the day on a Tuesday. Depending on my work plan, I might be able to do it or not.

But... Or, if IGA would allow us to set up a pin wall only for the city, so that it doesn't... within... uh... how... there...

They only have a very limited space. And I mean, they're nice, they sit at a table outside and talk to people. Definitely.

Because the Lion's Club also does this for the duck race and everyone does this for donations. So, if someone wants to do this or that weekend, we can, you know, we can just stay there for one or two hours. Because we would see a lot of people there. Or I don't know where else you could stand in the city.

Good idea.

I haven't been there in a long time, so... Yeah, I'll put it on my list.

Yeah, that's actually a very good place to think about.

Ja, wenn euch noch etwas einfällt, nehmt euch einfach ein paar Flyer mit und habt sie im Auto. Ihr wisst schon, während ihr herumfahrt. Wenn ihr einen Ort seht, an dem keiner hängt, dann hängt einfach einen auf. Fragt sie, ob ihr einen aufhängt. Okay. Ähm, Julie, Pam, habt ihr noch Fragen an uns? Ich nicht. Danke. Danke, Julie.

Nothing from me either, Brian. Sounds like they would work on a lot of things at the same time and make progress.

Thank you. Thanks. All right. Then I would ask for a request, uh... Request for, uh... Oh, yes. What?

Request for application.

All for it? Yes, yes. All right. Thanks.

It just solves all applications.