Zoning & Land Regulation Committee - Regular Meeting

Like to call the 02/24/2026 meeting of zoning and land regulation committee to order. This meeting is being held in person and virtually through the Zoom meeting app. All persons wishing to speak are required to register via the Zoom v Zoom meeting app at least thirty minutes prior to the meeting. Persons may also register in person prior to the meeting. First, I would like to introduce committee members and staff. I'm Michelle Dulen, and I represent District 28. And with me is supervisor Jerry Bali

Hello, everyone.

Who represents District 31, and Jeffrey supervisor Jeffrey Kroning, who represents District 21, and supervisor Don Posler, who represents Supervise District 29, and then supervisor Michelle Witt, who represents District 18. And staff with us tonight is, let's see, we have planning and development director, Todd Violante, zoning administrator zoning administrator, Roger Lane, assistant zoning administrator, Dan Everson, assistant zoning administrator, Rachel Holloway.

And I don't have your

name and title, Hans Hilbert.

And Thank

senior planner, Majid Allen. Is he here, or is he He is not available. Okay. Gotcha. Alright. Making sure we don't have

k. Yeah. Alright. So I have a

couple announcements prior to action items on the agenda. The first is that the ZLR committee will be meeting jointly this Thursday, February 26, with the Health and Human Needs Committee. There will be a presentation on the, NENA collective farm worker housing project. The agenda is posted online. The meeting will be held at 05:30PM in Room 351 in the City County Building, so it's just down the hall and on the right.

I would also like to make an announcement regarding fraudulent emails being sent to zoning applicants. The public should be aware that individuals submitting applications to our department have received scam emails requesting payment. Official correspondence from Dane County will always come from an email ending in Dane County dot gov. Anyone who receives suspicious message related to zoning fees is asked not to respond or make any payments. Instead, please delete the email and then contact planning and development office at (608) 266-4266 or email plan dev, that's plandev,@danecounty.gov.

So the next item on the agenda is public comment for any item not listed on the agenda. And anyone who would like to make comments for any item not listed on the agenda in the gallery or line, you could raise your hand. Is there anybody that's registered? K. Just checking. All right. The next item in the agenda is minutes of the previous meeting. So may I have a motion to approve the 02/10/2026, ZLR Committee meeting minutes?

Make a motion to approve.

Alright. We have a motion by Kronig. Is there any questions, comments, corrections to the minutes before we take a vote? All right. If not, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye. Motion passes.

Alright. The next item is public hearing. Before we begin, there are several items I need to go over with everyone. Persons wishing to speak on an agenda item. If you're online,

you must have preregistered thirty minutes in advance of the meeting. If you're here, please,

go see Todd, and he will get

you registered. All registrants will be recognized when the agenda item is called before the committee. I will be calling each petition as they appear on the agenda. Staff will provide a brief summary of the proposal and inform the committee of registrants. Any registrants wishing to speak will have five minutes to address the committee. The order of speakers for a public hearing will be as follows. People speaking in support, then people speaking in opposition. People will have five minutes to speak. If there is opposition, the applicant will have an opportunity to rebut the opposition. If there are no speakers, staff will provide a summary of the petition followed by committee discussion and action.

If there is public opposition by committee rules, the petition will be postponed to a subsequent meeting so that concerns can be analyzed. If there's no town action by committee rules, the petition will be postponed until the town has taken action. If there is no public opposition, we have town action and there are no unresolved issues by staff or committee members. The committee may take action on the petition. If the committee acts on a rezone petition, the petition will be forwarded to the 03/05/2026 county board meeting.

If the petition is controversial, you may want to attend that board meeting. Committee action on conditional use permits is final is the final action by Dane County. However, decisions may still be appealed. If the committee postpones action on a rezoning or CUP petition, it will be scheduled for a future meeting of the ZLR committee. The next committee meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, March 10.

Alright. So our first petition is rezone petition 12248, Jeg Clement and Associates LLC, in the town of Perry.

So it's kind of like Jeg Clement? Is this microphone working? No.

No. It does not look like it's hearing sound.

Okay. Nope. Oh, I don't know. Mine's working. That's weird. I don't know. I turned into that one. Nope. Lights are on, though.

Mics are always on. Says,

Mike's right here. Here's Mike. Keep

it brief. Okay. Jonathan Jeglum is proposing a rezoning here. This would be to create a residential home site, about three acres in size on a larger property. It's part of a farm estate, over 150 acres. This

would

be not creating a new lot, but it will enable a second home to be located on the farm property. The proposed rezoning meets the requirements of the RR2 zoning district. That's a rural residential district for two acre lots. This proposed location is set back away from Highway 78. This accounts for some environmental features on the property.

There's a stream that runs closer to the highway as well as some floodplain that would constrain development there. So this home would be placed uphill and far away from those environmental resource areas. This is all in line with the town's land use plan in terms of farmland preservation and the development potential allowed on the property. The county's preferred approach is typically to create require separate lots to be created for new residences by certified survey map. But in some instances, the county has approved what we call spot zones, or basically an area of zoning on the map that does not require a land division to go along with it.

Cases such as this one where there's environmental factors to consider, the town policies for citing new homes, This would comply with that, as well as the fact that it would remain in common ownership as part of a larger farm estate. So this meets all of those criteria, in fact. And the landowner has also received a highway access permit from DOT that a second home could be located on the same driveway without changes there. So staff is oh, and town board has recommended approval with no conditions. So we're recommending tonight approval subject to conditions in the staff report.

We really only need the one because we just received the highway access permit today. But condition number one would apply, which is the shared access easement be recorded to serve both homes on the property. And we have two people registered in support. We have Ken Carls and as well as Jonathan Jeglom registered and available to answer questions if you have any.

Thank you. Alright. Committee, what we have in front of us is the staff recommendation of approval subject to the owner recording the shared access easement as the permit, has been approved. So with that, would a committee member bring forth a motion?

I'll make a motion to approve with the condition that was mentioned.

Alright. We have a motion to approve by Balig with the condition. Do we have a second?

A second.

We have a second by Kroning. Any questions, comments, or discussion before the committee takes a vote? Right. If not, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Alright. Our next petition is rezone petition 12249, applicant Stephen N. N. Jan Cohen in the town of Vermont.

Switch the other way. Okay. This petition by the

Cohen's is to create two new residential lots on the property as well as one residential or residential mixed use lot for the existing farmstead. So this petition involves a four lot certified survey map. There would also be an agricultural lot located in the south end of the farm that would be rezoned. All of this land would be rezoned from FP35, a farmland preservation zoning district. The the two new lots that would be proposed as buildable sites would go to RR 4, rural residential.

The

farm has enough development potential under the farmland preservation policies of the town, And the town of Vermont has recommended approval of this. Staff notes that this would exhaust the development rights remaining on the farm if these are approved. And the comments in the staff report really focus on the environmental factors on the property because this is a unique site. It abuts Vermont Creek. It flows along the east side of the lots, which would be the rear of the proposed lots.

And along with that, there is a significant floodplain mapped in the area. There are also wetlands on-site. And so the staff report details, as well as the application that they put together, where exactly these boundaries are. And it turns out so the proposed buildable area in their survey map, which I can show on the screen here, is shown in hatching here or kind of striped area. So most of the lots, the floodplain would be covering the back end, but the development constraints really are driven by wetlands on-site, which they've had a delineation done, and Dane County requires a 75 foot setback from wetlands for any new structures.

And so based on the 75 foot setback and the wetlands, all that's left for development potential is this strip towards the front of the lots, which is located along County Highway JJ. County highways also have a higher building setback requirements, a greater distance than a town road would, so that all of these serve to create a very small buildable area. We

note

in the report that we have not received information yet on soil suitability for septic systems. Those could be located within the wetland 75 foot setback area. However, any structures would need to be outside of that. So in light of this, I guess we're requesting we've talked with the applicants, I believe Roger has, noting that we would need to see some soil suitability information to verify that it could serve septic on-site. And we're recommending a postponement at this time until that information is received so that the committee can evaluate that.

We have registered for this item. Several people I could read one at a time are all together. Nobody's asking to speak. Okay. Now we have Heidi Kopras, registered in support. Ryan Cohen, registered in support. Stephanie Belmas, registered in support. Christopher Belmus registered in support. And they've all indicated available to answer questions.

You very much, Rachel. All right. So, committee, what we have in front of us is the staff recommendation to postpone at this time to allow the applicants to provide more information in response to the concerns raised by the staff and the public. So with that, would a committee member like to bring forth a motion?

Make a motion to postpone. Alright. We have

a motion by Kronig to postpone. Do we have a second?

Bollig will second. We have

a second by Bollig. Alright. Questions, discussion, comments by the committee

before we take a vote? Right.

With that, all in favor of postponement, say aye. Aye. Aye. Right. Motion passes unanimously.

Alright. Our next petition is rezone petition twelve thousand two hundred fifty PGUV LLC in the town of Burke.

Sorry. Force of habit. This rezone position is for would be for commercial zoning, rezoning some land in the town of Burke along the Dental Service Road north of County Highway CV where it approaches Highway 51. This is to would be for GC, general commercial zoning, to allow a business that sells and services golf carts and utility vehicles. They're proposing a two lot certified survey map here to delineate the commercial lot and then separate northerly lot here that would be rezoned to NRC, Natural Resource Conservation.

That's due to wetlands. You can see on the map here, the northern area is almost completely unbuildable based on the environmental constraints. So the property is currently vacant. There are environmental things that they've worked through. They had a wetland delineation done as well, and those are identified on their site plans.

They've put together a detailed operation plan for the business, as well as site plans that outline how it would operate. I would note this would be indoor sales and service operation primarily, but they have also a companion petition that's on this agenda tonight for a conditional use that would also enable some amount of outdoor storage on-site for their equipment and vehicles. Turn this down here to the site plan. In this image, the north is over on the right side. Dental Service Road is right there.

Staff does not have concerns with the proposed lots. Those would meet ordinance requirements. Building is all fine, parking. Lighting and signage, they have provided some plans for that. Signage would be dealt with in the future. Lighting plan is largely acceptable. However, we would need a little more information on the light fixture cut sheets to because sometimes the light plans that we receive have light fixtures that could be angled, and the whole point is that they're downcast and not directing glare onto highways or adjacent properties. There are a couple of residential properties located on the west side of this property. They do account for that. There are some existing vegetation there, trees that could provide screening.

Just a moment. We got some weird technical thing here. I think that should be okay. Try sharing again. Hopefully, this works.

There it is.

Okay. Let's wrap it up, Rachel. Alright. The stormwater management, they're working with land and water resources on that to get their plans reviewed. Basically, this one, we still are waiting for some items. So the town board in town of Burke has recommended approval of the rezone. They didn't list any conditions on it. We know that they're working through the various agencies to get approval. So the other key factor so stormwater management, they're working to get green light from land and water on their preliminary plans. Sanitary waste, they're proposing in the application to connect to the village of DeForest municipal sewer.

There are some utilities in the area. Water is readily available, but my understanding is that a sanitary sewer is not, or at least it's some distance away. So it would be perhaps some expense to connect that. But it is within the urban service area, this property is, so it is ready to be connected as far as that piece of it goes. However, we're hearing that they also might be interested in pursuing a holding tank.

So that sounds like that's yet to be firmed up as far as how they would manage that. In addition, we received comments from Dane County Highway Department because this abuts County Highway CV right at this intersection of Dental Road or Dental Service Road, excuse me, and CV, they're likely to be requiring some additional right of way here. Not quite as extensive maybe as what's shown here, but we're not sure yet exactly how much they would need. Because there's also truck traffic coming from the north on here, it's a dead end road, there's other businesses on this road that are generating more truck traffic. And apparently, that's going to lead to some improvements needed to that intersection.

So all of those items, we would ask the applicants to just work with those other agencies to figure out exactly how much right of way would need to be dedicated, how they're going to manage sanitary waste, and get preliminary approval on the stormwater plan. The lighting details should be fairly easy to button up with them. But if they need to change their site plan as a result of those things, they might have to send us a a revised copy before the committee can act on it. So we're recommending postponement tonight just to allow them more time to work through those items. And I don't see anybody registered for this item. In your mail. But any questions. Oh, perfect. Thank you.

Would

we want her to register or only if we have questions?

Oh, register.

Register? Yeah. That's Okay. Yeah. If you don't mind. Yeah. Alright. So what we have in front of us is the staff recommendation of postponement at this time to allow the applicant more time to address the concerns. With that, would a committee member like to bring forth a motion?

I have a motion, but at first, I have a question.

Okay.

Have the two residences to the west been notified of this possibility?

Yes. They would have been on our they would have been on our notice list that goes 500 feet out from the property.

Okay. Alright. I just was wondering because it's pretty close. So and with that, I will make a motion to both postpone.

Alright. We have a motion by Balig to postpone. Do we have a second?

Second. Second.

We have a second by Kronig. Any other discussion, questions, or comments before the committee takes a vote? Right. If not, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye. Alright. Motion passes unanimously. Alright. Our next petition is rezone petition 12251, applicant Duncan r Campbell in the town of Burke.

So the Campbells are requesting a rezone in order to create one or excuse me, separate an existing residence from the remaining farmland. Excuse the odd document thing here on the screen. They would basically be separating this off on a two acre lot with RR2 rural residential zoning. The remaining lands here are zoned RM16. That's a rural mixed use zoning district, and that would continue to be zoned that way because the acreage matches acreage and land use matches that district.

So no changes needed there. This meets our ordinance requirements for the lot including for the existing buildings that are on-site. We don't have any concerns with that. The town has recommended approval with no conditions. There are no environmental resources or factors to make note of.

The only unique thing about this petition here is that they'd have to go through the city of Madison's review for the land division because of the town of Burke has a cooperative plan, an intergovernmental agreement with the city of Madison. For that reason, we would recommend tonight our typical deadline is ninety days from the zoning being approved for applicants to record their certified survey map. But knowing that process with the city could take a little longer, we would typically recommend either one hundred and eighty days or one year as a condition so that we that could be documented as a extended deadline in this case if you see fit to have that as a condition. And we have Duncan Campbell registered in favor of this petition in support and available for questions if you have any.

Alright. Thank you. Alright. What we have in front of us is the staff recommendation of approval subject to the CSM being recorded. You know, we might want to add that that within one hundred and eighty days

just to I'll make a motion to add that. Okay. If staff has no problem with that. No.

Okay. Okay.

Alright. So is that like so

are you gonna motion to approve upon a hundred and eighty days of?

Mhmm. Okay. Yes.

Alright. We have a motion by Balague to approve subject to the CSM being recorded in a hundred and eighty days.

Second. Anything to do?

Alright. We do need that. Okay. Second by Kronig. Any questions, comments, or discussion before the committee takes a vote? All right. If not, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

All right. Motion passes. Alright. Our next petition is CUP petition.

No. We gotta go back. That was just to add in the hundred and eighty days. Right?

Oh, was that just to add in the one hundred and eighty days?

This was my intention. And now Oh, that

was your intention to Yeah. Oh, part of the motion was to add that. Okay. Yeah. So that passed. So now it will be a rezone petition as amended. Correct. Okay. Sorry. So we couldn't do it all in a while, I

guess. The

way I recorded it was Balik made the motion to approve, and in addition to allow for the CSM to be recorded within a hundred

and eighty days seconded by Kronig.

That works Okay. For

me. Works for me.

Okay. Does that work for the committee? Right. Thank you. Okay. Alright. Now we're here. Alright. CUP petition 2693PGUVLLC in the town of Burke.

Oh, sorry. Yeah. I don't know. My papers

oh, man. I'm gonna pack light next time. Okay. So this one, I'm trying to pull up a page here that has their site plans. Okay. So this was related to the Premier Golf and Utility Vehicles Incorporated, storage. That's what this conditional use is for. As I mentioned earlier, this kind of goes with the rezoning proposal that you had earlier on the agenda. This would allow for the outdoor storage of vehicles and equipment. As outlined here, it would be within their larger lot that they would have paved as part of the business.

It would be on the west side of the building, so located behind it in terms of when you're looking from the east. It would be between the building and the residential properties to the west. However, there's a, as I mentioned, significant tree line, wooded area there that would be between this storage yard and the adjacent properties. We go through it in our staff report, the eight conditional use permit standards to see if the proposal meets those. Doesn't seem like this because it's constrained, they're very clear about where they would be storing the equipment, how much really could fit out there.

The only outstanding item we had is similar to the the rezoning and the overall site plan is wanting a little more detail on the outdoor lighting. But otherwise the proposal we feel, provides a good bit of evidence in support of the CUP standards. And it would mitigate potential concerns from the neighborhood. The town of Burke has recommended approval on this conditional use with eight conditions, which are listed in the staff report. See if I can find it on here.

Okay. Bear with me a moment here. Okay. And basically, you know, building it, operating it according to the plans submitted, outdoor lighting according to the plans that get approved, outdoor storage being screened, limited to the area described in the plans, no elevated or stacking of vehicles or carts, and no outdoor storage would be allowed on grass or pervious surfaces or along the edge of the east or south side of the property. This would also, if approved, the conditional use would expire in the event that the property is sold to a different owner.

But because the rezone petition $12,250 would need to be approved first prior to action on this conditional use. We recommend postponement tonight until such time as you can take action on the rezone petition, and we get the lighting details. And we have I'm sorry. I didn't catch your name, but you're here for this item too, I imagine. Okay.

And just one second. How would anyone propose to stack golf carts? I'm like, is this something that just making sure. Okay. So we won't do that. All right. So what we have in front of us is the staff recommendation of postponement as the rezone petition would need to be approved prior to this UP. So does anybody have any questions for the speaker that's here to answer questions before we go with motions? Okay. So would a committee member like to bring forth motion?

I'll make a motion to postpone.

Okay. We have a motion to postpone by Kronig. Do we have a second?

I'll Bollig a second.

Alright. We have a second by Bollig. Any questions, comments, or discussion about this petition before we vote? Great. If not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Alright. Motion passes. Alright. Our next petition is CUP twenty six ninety four, applicant Jake Santos in the town of Rutland.

So, mister Antos is requesting a conditional use permit. This would be for a limited family business. Land use, enables a small commercial operation to be located on a residential property in most of our zoning districts. This property is a five acre lot. It's got RR4, rural residential zoning.

A limited family business would be a good fit for this operation. It's an excavator business, and this type of land use is allowable with a conditional use permit approval. It would allow up to one employee who's a non family member, operates from existing accessory excuse me, not existing, but operates from accessory buildings on the property. And that's what's proposed here is not just to store equipment and vehicles for the business that he operates off-site. The Town Board of Rutland has recommended approval of this use with six conditions.

We did learn shortly before this meeting, though, however, that the applicants want to revisit some of those conditions, the particulars of the where the parking would be allowed outdoors. They did approve some limited amount of vehicles that could be outdoors, but it would be very minimal. But if they wanna make some changes, they really need to run it back through the town process and check that that would be okay, and the town could issue an updated recommendation for this committee. So tonight, although we didn't have a chance to update the staff report to reflect that, that just came in, kinda last minute, but, we'd like to give them some more time to work on the changes and submit that. We have Jake Antos available here in person in support of this petition if you have questions.

All right, thank you. All

right, so what we have in front of us is the staff recommendation of postponement to allow for more time for the applicant to work with the town. With that, would a committee member like to bring forth a motion?

I'll make a motion to postpone pending the further expiration of, the conditions with the town.

Alright. We have a motion to postpone by Balig. Do we have a second? Second. The second by Kronig. Do we have any questions, comments or discussion amongst the committee before we take a vote? If not, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Right. Our next petition is rezone pet or no. It's CUP twenty six ninety five. Let's see. Valerie and Joel Nijnheiss? Nijnheiss? Nijnheiss. Okay. Thank you. In the town of Cottage Grove.

Yes. These applicants are requesting this conditional use to operate, basically, a horse rescue nonprofit operation from the property. It is already set up for to have horses on-site along with the residential use, and this would enable them to have some mean, horses could be on-site, but also they have an operation that involves volunteers visiting the property. They do rehabilitation, safe housing, and training for horses that have basically been abandoned or neglected or surrendered by their owners. They also offer some community based programs that are in line with education, some healing, youth activities, and veteran or first responder support programs.

That's all part of what they do. And so they have an application that includes their hours of operation, basically being Monday through Friday, nine to 5PM. Periodic events staffed by volunteers, up to a maximum of basically 20 for larger events. So the scale of events here are pretty small, not like huge gatherings. They're also proposing to build a new 5,000 square foot indoor riding arena adjacent to the existing barn.

That's detailed in their application and site plan. We reviewed this according to the eight conditional use permit standards and found that did not have concerns with this proposal in light of the CUP standards. Certainly, if the committee has questions for the applicants, you can always explore that. We do have a recommendation from the town board of Cottage Grove. They recommended approval with six condition or excuse me.

16. Yeah. Conditioning, they're limited to six horses at a time and to be the permit to be in effect as long as the current owner owns the property so that it would expire upon sale. We recommend that the ZLR committee make findings of fact as to whether the proposal meets the conditional use standards. And if you see fit to approve it tonight, we have recommended conditions in our staff report.

It includes the 12 standard conditions for all conditional uses, but also four that are unique to this. It would expire upon sale of the property, limits it to six horses at a time, could employ no more than one or one full time equivalent employee who's not a family member, as well as prohibiting sanitary fixtures in the building, which is typical in our residential zoning districts.

So Okay.

And we have Valerie Nienhuis available in support of her petition and wishing to speak.

Okay.

Yep. Hi, there.

Alright.

You have five minutes. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Valerie Nienhuis. My family and I live at 300857 West Jargo Road, where we also run Northwinds Rescue and Healing.

I am here representing our family tonight as my husband Joel is at home with our kids, a balance that's very familiar to us as a military family. Thank you for the opportunity to speak and considering our conditional use permit application. Northwinds Rescue and Healing is operated with our residential agricultural property and is an equine rescue that offers community based programs. We provide a safe haven for horses in need and we offer programs that serve children, families, homeschool groups, veterans, and first responders. Our mission is to help both horses and people heal, grow, and build confidence through connection and education.

We are requesting a conditional use permit to operate our programs out of our accessory building and proposed indoor arena. The property has long been used for horses and agricultural purposes. The only significant change we plan to make is adding the indoor arena so that we can safely run programs year round in Wisconsin's weather. Otherwise, the character and use of the property remain consistent with its rural and farm surroundings. We understand the importance of being good neighbors.

Because of this because this rescue is also our home, maintaining a peaceful and respectful environment is very important to us. One to two volunteers per day are on-site between 08:30 and 08:30AM and 5PM to provide daily care for the horses. During this time, we clean stalls, provide food, water, meet basic care needs, and work with the horses on training and handling. The indoor arena will be used primarily to safely train and exercise horses out of the elements. Currently, extreme cold, or icy conditions prevent us from working safely with the horses and the arena will allow us to continue care and training year round.

We currently maintain no more than six horses at any given time in full compliance with town ordinances. Because of this, our programs remain intentionally small and by scheduled appointment. Our Read to the Rescue program hosts 10 events to a maximum of five children at a time for thirty minutes for thirty minute reading sessions with two sessions at either 9AM or 3PM. Homeschool Days hosts six events with a maximum of 20 children between 9AM and noon on a weekday. We host 15 veteran group sessions serving a maximum of five veterans at a time for two hour sessions between 9AM and 4PM during the week.

Healing Connection sessions are individual, one on one supervised appointments held Monday through Friday between 9AM and 5PM. It's our intention to keep the majority of our programming on weekdays, maintaining a small scale operation and limited activities to those that serve the community. The indoor space we are proposing, again, is not intended to increase group sizes, but to keep everyone involved safe and out of harsh elements like we had recently. We have not created excessive traffic, noise or disruption, and we take pride in keeping the property well maintained and in harmony with the surrounding residential and agricultural landscape. Beyond caring for rescued horses, our programs provide educational opportunities for youth, leadership development, literacy activities, and free sessions for veterans and first responders.

These services fill a real need in our community and are offered with compassion, responsibility, and professionalism. Approving this conditional use permit will allow us to continue serving the community, provide safe and structured programming, and remain a positive presence in the Cottage Grove and Deerfield. Joining the Cottage Grove Chamber of Commerce demonstrates how committed we are to working cooperatively with the town and our neighbors now and in the future. We would love to extend an invitation to come out and see what we do and how we do it. Thank you for your time, your consideration, and your support.

Thank you. Does anybody have any questions for the speaker?

I do. Sounds like a wonderful program. Yeah. How do you receive your animals? Or do you buy them? Or

Most of them are surrendered by owners at this point. So, people all over Wisconsin and The United States honestly have reached out to us and asked us to take in their horse.

Okay.

They usually surrender them. We have done a couple of kill pen pulls, but we have a waiting list of owner surrenders right now.

I don't doubt that. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

One more. So there's a lot of conditions that are placed on you?

Yes.

Are you, amenable to all those? Mhmm. Okay. Great. Thank

you very much for your time. Great. So what we have is the staff recommendation of approval of this UP or if you should you know, if findings of fact if you make findings of fact as to whether or not the proposal meets this UP standards. And there's so there's 16 conditions for unique and specific to this land use, including the town's recommendations. So would a committee member like to bring forth a motion?

Yeah. I'll make a motion based on findings of fact that it meets the condition meets the standards of the conditional use permit with the 16 conditions.

Alright. We have a motion by Kronig to approve with the 16 conditions. Do we have a second?

I will second.

The second by Balague. Is there any discussion, question, or comments about this petition before we take a vote? Right. If not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Alright. Next item is e, zoning map amendments and conditional use permits from previous meetings. Our petition is rezone petition 12242, Terry Chadwick in the town of Deerfield.

So, mister Chadwick submitted this rezone petition. This was, before the committee in January for a public hearing on the twenty seventh. And if you recall, it was postponed at the time. We were still awaiting town action on it. The town board of Deerfield has since taken action on the petition. This would basically be rearranging an existing residential lot. You can see on the screen here in brown is the existing lot zoned RR4. This would reconfigure it to be a longer, narrower lot, extending off the road here, rezoning the remaining ag land here on this side of the road to FP1. And other lands across the road would remain in FP35 zoning. We had no concerns with the proposal.

And as I mentioned, we do have town board action that has come in. So the reason for postponement has been resolved. And we're recommending approval tonight with some conditions which have been discussed with Mr. Chadwick. There is an existing house on the site, so that was one thing that we're expecting.

The plan is to remove the existing home, but they want to do that after they've got the new home constructed. So a little logistic challenge there, but this would be recommended for approval condition on the two lot certified survey map being recorded. It needs to depict slopes over 20% as unbuildable. That's according to, I believe, a town requirement. And then also be deed restricting the remaining parcels for farmland preservation purposes, just that no residential development could occur there, and a condition also that the existing home would need to be removed within sixty days of their occupying the new house. And then we have Mr. Chadwick here and wife

Is she the wife? You have very name. Karen, thank you. Available if you have questions.

All right. Thank you very much.

I have a question.

Yes.

I see there are three conditions. Is the deed restriction one of those conditions?

Yes. That's right.

Okay. And the other one the the one of the conditions would be the demo at the house.

Yes. Although, we don't really say that, do we? I don't think so.

Oh, it's It is three. No. You

got it.

Okay. Sorry.

It's alright.

Then I'll make a motion to approve this petition with the three conditions.

All right. We have a motion by Balik to approve with the three conditions.

Second.

All right. We have a second by Kroning. Any questions, comments, or discussion before the committee takes a vote? If not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Alright. Motion passes. Thank you very much. Right. We're on to item f, Platts and certified survey maps.

Yeah. Kennedy Hill, second edition. This is the third phase and or I should say a third and final phase of, subdivision Platt. This is located in the town of Cottage Grove just north of County Highway B B and, east of the village of Cottage Grove. This proposal consists of 29 lots with a one outlot, little over 30 acres.

This petition was associated or I should say this plat is associated with petition 12/1948 that changed the zoning to single family residential. The average resident, residential lot size is a little over three quarters of an acre. There are no sensitive environmental features, and the public health and the county highway department did not have any comments. With regards to the conditions of 12/1948, that was approved a little over a year ago. The deed notice has been recorded as well as the agricultural conservation easements, So that's all secured.

Number two, condition is I want out lot one to, clarify if the attention is too, dedicated to the public. It could be just a simple text. Utility easements, are to be shown. And then number four is where we get into the street names. This is where I've been working with county surveyor Dan Frick on the proposed, two road names and whether or not they're in compliance.

And Dan Frick does have two conditions with one recommendation. The road names of Homeland Drive and Farmhouse Road are to be approved with no duplication countywide. And then Conestoga Trail and Wooded Ridge Trail, on one alignment will need to change at a prominent intersection. And then Dan recommends that the town, make this intersection a three way stop to further indicate the change in road name. And then I've got condition number five, which is tied to erosion control and stormwater.

And number six is the existing structure shown on the west side of the plat, which around Lots 48 And 49 are to be removed prior to the signature and recording of the final plat. And then the final plat is to be submitted within six months from the approval date of the preliminary plat that's found in chapter 75. So staff recommends approval with those conditions.

Thank you.

Right. So staff recommends approval with the seven conditions.

I'll make a motion to approve with the seven conditions.

I'll second.

We have a motion by Kronig and a second by Balague to approve with the seven conditions. Any discussions, questions, or comments before we take a vote? If not, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye. Motion passes. All right. And next item is G Resolutions twenty twenty five Res three seventy four, Addendum to Contract 1687 between Ayers Associates and Dane County.

Oh, oh, that's right.

That's right.

Yeah. Hello, Fred.

Hello.

Alright. Tell us about this.

So every two years, Dane County Line Information undertakes an aerial photography flight. In the past, our general base level flight has been six inch. And we were planning to go forward with that again this year in 2026. It happens in the spring. However, I did reach out to a number of or two municipalities across county, and there was a great deal of interest in continuing a three inch.

We did a three inch project countywide last year or two years ago in '24, and it was met with a lot of kudos because of the better resolution. And so there were a number of communities that stepped forward and wanted to participate and help out to make this happen. And so this is, thus, the resolution to amend our base contract from going from three or six inch resolution aerial photography to three inch resolution photography. And the municipalities are putting forth approximately $84,000. And then we also are able to take advantage of an reimbursement check for our last flight from, utilities that came through WROC.

So we're putting that money towards the the balance needed to complete this project.

Nice. Is there any questions on this?

Great. Thank you. So

I suppose we have to, like, approve, or is that

I have a question.

Need to be approved, and then it would go to PNF. Mhmm.

Okay. Is this gonna be in a biannual thing? Is that what I'm hearing?

Yeah. There is a this we've been doing that since 2000. We've been doing every two years, and it is a demanded product. I think Todd or Roger or anybody in zoning can speak to it. Also, nine one one uses this imagery. There there's actually people are demanding or would ask for it every year, but that, I think, is a little bit too much.

Yeah. At that price, I can agree with you. Yeah. Given the budget short or budget problems we've been seeing coming. Right. So okay. That's that's it. Thank you.

Yeah. You're welcome.

Okay. So I do have one question. So with six inch and three inch wide res resolution color, I mean, how how is that how is how is that brought about?

So it's with digital sensors. And so the the aircraft would then it's an aircraft acquisition. It's not done through drones just because of the size of the county. It's just something that is just way, way too big. So it would be a fixed wing aircraft that has digital sensors.

And by going at from six inch to three inch resolution, the the aircraft does actually have to fly a little bit lower. And then just think of the the entire Earth tiled in three inch tiles, and every pixel has then is a piece of that earth. And so you can actually then put that together and make a make a photograph. Right? Yeah. So I I maybe I'm not answering your question, but it or is there something more specific you're answering?

No. I can picture that now. Thank you.

Yeah.

I have another question when you're done. Go for it. Yeah. Well, that additional resolution, what will that allow staff to do? I know that Well,

it just provides a lot more clarity in anything that they're looking at on the landscape. I I can speak to one of one of the applications is that for some of our communities and for nine one one, I have to locate fire hydrants in some of our communities because they don't have a way of getting us the information, and it's faster for me to use the aerial photography. And with three inch resolution, you can right away see the little red fire hydrant with the it makes a little cross with the shadow. And once you once you learn how to look for those objects, it makes it very, very easy. I would defer to Todd or Roger or anybody else to speak if if they want to share.

Speak on behalf of the mineral extraction industry. Oh god. It's absolutely beneficial to have updated aerial images just to see the activity, how it progresses. Mhmm. Because part of the reclamation program, the operator has to submit an annual report. And within that annual report is a map that we provide the operator, and the operator can show on the map how much acreage is active and how much acreage has been reclaimed. Mhmm. So having that on a biennium, basis is actually pretty helpful.

So Yes. Thank you. Look. I I got a question for Fred. How far back have we been doing this FlyDane project?

Long time.

You want me to age myself, don't you? FlyDane has been in effect since 02/2000.

Yeah.

Yeah. Nice. I think And

it was actual film photography. So it was huge spools of film, and then they had to scan the film. Mhmm. It was black and white, and it was one foot resolution. And we thought that that was a godsend because the flight we did before that in in 1995 was one meter resolution.

And

then we had to look for specs of dust and all kinds of things to clear up the imagery, and now it is all digital camera. So it makes it much more easier to acquire the we have to have to process film and all of those things, and it's also much cleaner imagery

Thank you.

And its color.

Okay. So, again, Fred, I have another question. So you can see items as small as a fire hydrant. Is that what I'm what you're telling us?

Yeah. Yeah. Fire hydrants and then manholes, drop inlets, all of those. So municipalities can it it's very useful for municipalities with the higher resolution. In the old days, back in 2000, I think there there was actually a news article about it.

The city of Verona targeted all of their drop inlets and manhole covers, and the street looked like a giant tic tac toe game was being played because they had to paint each of these with six foot crosses and big circles just so they can clearly identify. Now we don't have to paint the the objects on the on the ground. You can clearly see the drop inlets and manhole covers.

Very good.

You could count shingles on a roof.

Wow.

Yeah. Yep. You can count shingles on a roof. You can count the the where they seal coating the the cracks in the landscape in the asphalt.

Or keep your curtains closed.

No doubt.

It's straight down. Unless you have a a a glass roof, we can't see inside your home.

Okay. Well, I haven't installed one of those.

So Yeah. I have a question for Fred. Yes. Fred,

is it possible to let us know which exact date the county will be flown?

It's normally range of dates just because of weather conditions in the spring are always, kind of iffy, and they have to fly between 10AM and around 2PM. So a lot of times, they will mobilize the aircraft at sunup and just get them into an area and position and then hope that the clouds break up or check, you know, weather forecasts. So it's generally a range of dates. But, yeah, all our metadata does include the dates of of flight, but I couldn't we couldn't tell you, like, this one subdivision was flown at this time at this date. It would be generally between March 15 and the April.

Thank you. One more question.

Of course. Sure.

Fred Fred, with this kind of resolution, when when do you project, the county would have to have this service again?

Again, it would be a a '28, project every two years.

Every two years. Are you sure is there gonna I mean, is that a fact? I mean, do we definitely are we definitely gonna need that in two years, or is this too because of more construction? Or why would we do it in two years with this type of resolution?

Well, the landscape does change quite a bit, and the new new subdivisions coming in, new roads. I mean, this data is used not just just to look at. It is the base for a lot of the data that we manage on a daily basis. So our our street center lines, address points

Mhmm.

And then applications like mineral extraction and those types of efforts, land conservation. So the with the amount of change that happens in Dane County, aerial photography is is the the request by municipalities and by county departments is that, we go to two years, and and that's kind of what the LIO is responding to.

Okay. Thank you.

Alright. Are we anybody there are questions for Fred. Alright. With that, the recommendation is approval Or to recommend if wanna recommend approval, would a committee member like to bring forth a motion? I'll shove the lid out of my mouth. I'll

I'll make a recommendation. I'll a motion to approve.

Alright. We have a motion to approve by Kroning. Do we have a second?

Second.

We have

a second by Baalang. Any other discussion about this, before we take a vote? Right. If not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Alright. Motion passes.

Thank you.

That's what I'm doing right now.

Okay. Could change.

Alright. So our next, item is item j, twenty twenty five report, the review of the twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight legislative agenda.

Hello. Hello. I am not Lacey Fox. I am Todd Violante with the Dane County her. Department.

The county's government affairs director is actually across the hall in another meeting, and her item is up as well at PP and J. So I'll attempt to pinch hit and kind of cast the the subject matter, and initiate any discussion that we may have and capture whatever comments you might want to make. So I I think for most of the supervisors, you you may be familiar with what the legislative agenda is. This is the twenty twenty six to twenty twenty eight legislative agenda, and it's presented here before you as a discussion item for for feedback. It's a document that's been in place for a number of years.

In fact, long as I can remember,

I don't know

when it began, but, in my own personal recollection with the county there, we have had a legislative agenda item brought before you. And it's essentially a guidance document for, the county's lobbying activities and engagement at the state level on legislative matters. And, it's a a menu of items that, Lacey can use, among others as she tracks legislation and other, activities going through state government. So, in your, materials, you'll have the current draft legislative agenda. And the items relating to our work, particular, at the zoning and land regulation committee level and the department, is toward the end, most directly and immediately.

There are things that kind of are are across topics and relate to other areas of of county government. But if you look to the latter pages, beginning at, line number four seventy six, there is the land use, land records, and land regulation items. And for supervisors that have been, on the board for a little while, these may look familiar to you from the last iteration of the legislative agenda, which we've taken up. The there was one addition that I'll bring your to your attention. You may have seen the email from this afternoon, but there was an action last night at personnel and finance that looked to add one more item for ZLR's consideration, and it reads support fair retention of real estate transfer fees to counties.

So if you look to, the legislative agenda, if you go to the last page of that agenda, there's an item that begins on line five zero five, support for strategic programs and tools for land and data management. And it's in that subject area that if the committee wanted, it could add that item from PNF. PNF thought it might more appropriately reside in the area

of

the agenda that's under the purview of of ZLR, but it could be added to that area, of the agenda if you are amenable to that. What that relates to the fair retention of real estate transfer fees to counties, there is something called, a real estate transfer return, and there is a current law. I'll read this actually from legislative reference bureau summary about this because there's also timely state legislation. I believe it's still in a holding pattern as of the 2025, But this is helpful. It reads, current law generally requires a person who conveys an interest in real estate real property to file a real estate transfer fee return a real estate transfer return with the county register of deeds and pay a real estate transfer fee equal to 30¢ for each $100 of the value of

the

conveyance. Currently, the county retains 20% of the fees collected and transmits the remainder to the state. There was a resolution, and this was something that is referenced in what was sent to you this afternoon, the resolution that was passed in 2023 that Lacey referenced. And that was a county resolution that read, the title of that was request state to revise the current real estate transfer fees revenue sharing formula. And within that resolution, I have copies here if you're interested in it.

I could provide it for those in person. And it's also in the material that, Lacey forwarded. If you click that link, that hyperlink where it says passed as a resolution in 2023, I'll pass this around.

So that would that fee would be additional revenue to ZLR?

Not to the county.

To the company.

It would

be in your March as for the zoning committees. No. What do mean?

Would it go into your budget?

Well, it would it would go into the county coffers. Portion of it would go to, our land information function. A portion of it would would go to fund the the great work that Fred and and staff and his department do. But what that resolution from 2023 proposed to do is, support any increases in the fees at the state level that would return to the county. Fred has been very I I see Fred is still on, and I don't wanna put him on the spot, but he's been very closely involved in this work at the state level from his role in the with the Wisconsin Land Information Association.

But this is something that we have been monitoring at the county level. But that that's what this the proposal from 2023, the resolution, and the current legislation, I believe, Fred, at least I have the assembly bill version of two it's two sixteen. But that proposed increasing the fee from 20% that the county would retain to 50%, which would be a substantial increase and would benefit the county's Mhmm. Mhmm. Activities, especially relating to land information. Fred, is there anything that you'd like to add on that front?

Yeah. I mean, it is a little bit more nuanced. One of the pieces of this is that it's also reducing the fee from $3 to 2. And but the the upside for Dane County is that that it now becomes a fifty fifty split in 50% to the state, 50% to the county. Before, it was an eighty twenty split. So the state retained 80%. The county only got 20%. So it would be a net positive for the county.

Thank you, Fred. So that is right now, that is the one item that Lacey referenced that was referred to ZLR from PNF last night.

Mhmm.

And that language, is simply support fair retention of real estate transfer fees to counties. That if that's one thing that the committee would be amenable to, I don't know that there needs to be a formal motion on this since it it is a an a discussion item, but Lacey was going to be here to take notes. And Mhmm.

Do we wanna make a motion just to be safe?

Do wanna make a motion just to be safe?

I don't know that it's necessary. I would I would defer to the chair's preference or the preference of the committee, but my understanding is that we don't have it listed on the agenda as an action item.

Oh, okay. You're right. It's not on the agenda.

Yeah. So we shouldn't So

No. You can bring it back if if

It is.

But Yeah.

So this would be the resolution?

Mhmm.

Yeah. I don't see why not. In fact, I would.

More revenue is always good.

And I would be happy to cosponsor this. So

The the 2023 resolution, the two Res two fifty seven, that was already a resolution of the county board. Oh, okay. The AB two sixteen, and it may have a an SB companion

Mhmm.

As far as I know, but, that's something that this type of language addition to the legislative agenda would flag this topic for Lacey to become engaged in at the state level if it is going through a committee process where she could say register and support or or advocate in in support in this type of, in addition.

Yeah. I'm assuming it's because the county does a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to, like, the data and land data.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

There's a I mean, as per, you know, that prior discussion, that resolution relating to Fly Dane, there we could we could go on probably for hours as staff. And Yep. And you have great familiarity with many committees at the county level or above all those other committees in the work that you do with land use and how we how we harness these these tools.

Absolutely.

Well, I I I got a question for Fred, probably. So the change from in 1981, was that a change to the state statute, or was that just, something that the state, kind of just basically demanded more money here? How did that happen?

I'm not completely clear on on 1981, but it ridge but it there was a there was a change when the state started to in the, I think, in the late nineties, had some funding shortfalls, and then they made a statutory change that converted the a greater portion that goes to the state instead of splitting it with the counties, and that never was changed back. And and then it was also raised the fee to $3 per per thousand.

So that ask oh, that so we're asking the state to change the statute back to back in 1916.

We're we're exactly. The the the the state really is getting a portion of the funding and not doing anything with it. It all of the real estate transactions, whether it's a register of deeds, address updates, tax parcel mapping, aerial photography, all all of the land related issues really happen at the county level, and then we feed that back up to the state. And so the thinking is that the county should be getting a larger chunk of that because of the real estate effects that it has at the county level.

Yeah. Yeah. And I agree with that. Mhmm. Mhmm.

Yeah. No lies detected there.

There was a very lengthy debate, but why are we reducing it from $3 to 2? But that, I think, was fell fell on on party lines. One wanted to see less money coming in, and the other side was looking to provide maybe more funding to support these activities, but that's a different pay grade. Maybe maybe you can have a talk with them.

There you go.

Right.

Well, I I I

think we're all in agreement that

this would be yeah. Definitely. Oh, can we, like, verbally support that?

We can formally When

you talk to Lacey?

Make note of our strong favor. I

don't know if we it's still not an action item.

It's Well, Todd,

you have

a I think by unanimous consent, we hear the tenor of the committee's discussion, and we can convey that to to Lacey for her notes, and she could add that to the agenda. Because I believe the agenda will be going before the county board for formal action. I believe it goes to executive committee, perhaps.

Mhmm.

Maybe, And then, and then from executive committee, where it'll be formally acted upon, will go to the county board for, formal approval. So

k.

I'm sorry. I I think you all know Suraj from the county board office. Mhmm. Yep. Thank you for being here.

And we knew she wasn't a spy.

No. She smiles.

So, yeah, how do you trust that? Alright. I'd lost my agenda. I think we're on

We're we're

Are we at the the the golden hour?

I think we're there.

Okay. So if there's anything else, though, as you read this, from either as a whole, the legislative agenda or that section, relating to land use, land records, and land regulation, if there's anything that you would advocate for, something to be added, to be modified in some way, that would be the opportunity to do it. As I understand it, if there is not something included in here, it doesn't mean that Lacey could not advocate for it, but it might entail a modification to the agenda through executive committee would be the the vehicle for doing that. Okay. But this is largely to capture most of the things that we would become involved in.

And there are always things coming through at the state level that we had can't anticipate that, you know, we need to be fairly nimble in reacting to.

So And we're gonna need all the revenue we can get.

So where in the timetable are we for for when we'll actually approve on approve this?

Yeah. I believe there was, in Lacey's I don't have it up in front of me, but in her communication that was forwarded to, the committee, I believe executive committee is taking it up. Fifth. Yeah. Thank you.

Final edits. Awesome. Thank you.

Alright. I the one item that we did kick around, and I was, that's looming out there where there's state legislation kind of jockeying, pro and con is relating to data centers. So that's an issue that we know Yeah. We were nearly grappling with, with the proposal, in the town of Dunn outside of DeForest. That went its own course.

Most of you are very familiar with that. And the advisory committee on data centers has been initiated. We had the first meeting of that, earlier this month. Mhmm. But as of yet, there's no real clear direction or policy position of the county yet, so it may be premature to to have a position on that other than merely tracking it, and monitoring activities going going through the the state. So, again, it might be premature to have specific language on that until the advisory committee completes its work.

Yeah. I think that that would be fair. I mean, as long as we make sure there's no like, we have to know more about the impact on infrastructure, etcetera. Like, you know, what does it take from us to do this, you know, sort of thing. Because, what's in it for us after that? The cost benefit analysis should balance. Oh, there it is.

So a question now. So in in the proposal, is, housing addressed

at any particular spot? It is. Let's see. A good question, supervisor Croning. I remember from prior years yeah. There's a section here on housing. It is beginning on line two forty eight. There's, one bullet that's titled access to safe and affordable housing, and the other bullet is fair housing rights and regulations that take up housing.

Yeah. And this is similar language that that's been in there before, I take it.

Yeah. That that does ring a bell from prior years. But, certainly, this is if if you feel that there is something that could be enhanced or elaborated on or or more specificity, this would be the opportunity to do it. And if you need some time to digest that, maybe communicating something before the March 5 Yep. Executive committee meeting would be welcome.

I just think maybe whatever is tying our hands behind our backs for helping or for these small communities that need to do planning and development, Like, we have to have them all we're we're promoting local control except that we're creating silos, you know, like, if there was a way to bridge the gap there.

Yes. So Some of the requirements for the for the WIDA funding.

Right. Nice to And and regional transit and, you know, how much can we chew?

Actually, I believe regional transit might be referenced, if I'm remembering correctly, under a transportation section. I thought there was a I'll quote me on that, but I seem to remember that being something that was

$1.32.

Oh, thank you.

Bypass trails. Increase mass transit options.

Oh, yeah.

There you go.

Thank you.

Mhmm. Alright. Very cool.

Yeah. Regional transit authorities.

Mhmm.

That's pretty much you know? You always get raised eyebrows in Washington. What do you mean you can't do that? We can't do that. We just can't. Alright.

Is there

anything else to add to this?

You said other business first.

Oh, yeah. Other business?

Alright.

I Make a motion to adjourn. Thank you.

Alright. Unless there is an objection, I like to record that as passing unanimously.