City Council - Regular Meeting

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We have two two scheduled and want to add on uh request today and appreciate that. I will make a comment because this is a kind of a sore subject with me is the two that are on the agenda or for work that's already been done. We usually like to get permits before the work gets done. So, I might be a little seem to be a little bit gruff about such things, but I get way too many phone calls about work going on and Jeremy gets phone calls from me asking to get stop orders put in and such. So, uh bear with us. That doesn't mean we won't we're not going to give them a fair look at all this. I don't know where I put my pool

pool at 1 412 South Beach Boulevard. Yes, you the one uh Miss Sha uh Connell at 412 South Beach. Uh there's a request to install a 12T x 28T ingground on one piece pool, fiberglass pool obviously with a 4ft concrete deck behind the house. It appears that pool is already installed. No, it is not. Okay. I'm sorry.

Um this is the first time. See that way? I talk so loud. I talk loud no more. It's the first time we've ever had to do this and I've built about 20 pools in the historic district.

Um, we've been allowed before. The pool has not gone any farther than any inspection. It's been okayed before by the building official to proceed and we are at a point right now where we would get our first inspection. The only reason I went December sec December 2nd to get my contractor's license renewed and that process has been an act of Congress and I've been licensed since 2016 which it it went through again and I have a state license in Louisiana and um yes I did think we've done it before. It met setbacks. It's not a historic home. It is a historic district. Did you get a building permit?

Uh, that's in the process. We stopped and then all of a sudden um because it was time for an inspection, but Ricky has allowed us to in the past go start before we have the permit. There's nothing under the ground. There's nothing. You're looking at the person that told Ricky, "No, it needs to come to his store." What? I am the person that told Ricky, "No, I get that. But I but I've I've been 20 pulls at least." Well, you got lucky. Well, I think everybody else needs to be too because as far as I'm after researching, I've been We've only been able to find that there's one other pool that was. Uh, and I have one right here.

I can assure you that Mr. Josh Salvo, who runs the other pool company in town, has had to come in front of us a number of times. Okay. Well, that's like I said, that's must be something new. We were not informed of it. I get it. But it just hasn't been done in the past. Okay. Um, but it it did it occurred due to the fact that we were um we were being whatever targeted for our license that we've been doing, knowing that others aren't licensed. I'm just going to make that put that on the record. Okay. But the pool has not been the pool is is in the ground. There's nothing. Okay. So, it is in the ground. It's in the ground. It is to where it goes through its first inspection. There's no concrete or anything on the pool.

Yeah. But you can see it from uh Keller. I mean, it's very obvious from the parking lot from St. But it's not any farther than the the fence from the other home. It's the placement is fine. But to say that it's not visible. Oh, you didn't say it's not from the house. He just means behind that, right? I would never but it is quite visible from Stannis Law parking lot and was that Keller Street or that's not their problem. No, no, no. From the parking lot. Yes. Regardless, it is visible. Now,

uh you got to put a fence around. And that usually is where we get very involved because the fence does have to come to us for sure. We know that the homeowner. So, because they're fences, I don't do fences. She's she's she'll pull a permit for her fence. Okay. No, you come on. All right. So well let's tell you what let's talk about. Is there any reason why we have objections to this pool being installed there?

Well, Jeremy, what's the rule on minimum height? Four feet, right? Four foot. Yeah. And just in the backyard, they can have a foot. It could be a could be a metal fence. It could be talk about Yeah, I have a I have a pool on St on Carol and Second Street. That is a historic a registered historic house at the Bentons that I never went before. The pool is on the side of the house and they have a 4 foot and I never that was last year. I never went. This is where I get my first comments that I get tired of getting phone calls of work going on without

I promise you this is the first time I've ever done it and I knew that I would be doubled on my permit. I didn't do anything to miss inspections or anything. That's fine. Thank you very much. You're welcome. U all right. So, we have no problem with pool. We do need to look at what kind of fence is going to go around it and uh and I guess and this is obviously typically privacy is never good. And this is just clarification. Typically that aluminum fence I don't know what you're doing actually. Yeah. The row iron looking Yeah. Yeah. It's aluminum, but it is it's made to look like an old raw iron fence.

Yeah. And then and I'll just tell you swimming pools to me before 1950 in what we some of us think would be historic, people didn't have swimming pools in their yard. They're not. There's truly they're not historically appropriate, but we allow them. But that's why we want to see what you're putting in. So, so what kind of fence you going to put in, young lady? Um, a canal. I'm the homeowner. I would be happy to put in any fence that Do you have something in mind? We were going to do a black aluminum fence that looked like the broad eye. That's that was very acceptable.

And We're going to do it over four feet. We wanted We're going to do it five. We wanted to make sure that it's not even high. Okay. Do Do you We can As long as you meet the ordinance. The ordinance is that you can't get over six feet. Yeah. Between four and six. We will basically we'll approve is a fence that meets aluminum row iron style fence between four and six foot tall around the around the pool. You need to be wood too any district. We have guidelines in this. Well, let's let's we got to give her something specific. So,

you say you're really to do willing to do the aluminum rod iron style? Okay. Aluminum rod iron fence.

The six black So my question looking at the layout you got a seven seven foot from the property line are you putting the fence on the property going to be onrete which is

because we have that we can't put it on property line. Okay. That's not my No, I just want It's my property, but they have the right to use it. So, it's just not shown

from what I understand. We're going to put the fence between the pool and the drive on my regular property line. It's not

I just wanted an

but it's not because it's going to put you

somewhere between there Okay. So, the fence won't be up in the air. I think that's I think it's fine. I move accepted as presented. All right. Further discussion. I have I have a We're going to make it go up. Yes.

Okay. This this is I'll I'll read I have a motion by Mr. Dave Wessing and I will read what I understand Dave is request to install a 12x 28 foot inground one piece pool 4 foot concrete cement deck behind the house. The pool currently is in the ground and is ready for inspection. a a aluminum row iron style fence between 4 foot and six foot tall of black anodized aluminum fence will be placed around the pool uh between the pool and the ement to approve

yesoot aluminum six feet in case we're saying between four and six foot tall because she's already said she wants five feet. Yeah, I'm with height because her insurance agent could tell her, "Hey, the six feet is better." So, but you you're going to be approved up to a sixoot fence. You got to go at least four. So, we we're we're saying between a 4 foot and six foot aluminum wateron style fence. All right. That was a motion by Yeah, that was a motion by Dave. Have a second by Mr. Let me let me take my notes, guys. Just so we don't remove.

I'd like to vote motion, John. I I All right. I know there's a lot of back and forth. You know, we we had people come up and say, "Well, y'all just need to approve it." I said, "We need to know what we're approving." We have actually had people come up with they want us to approve it, but they can't tell us what they're going to do. I'm I'm kind of big on documentation. All right. So, we have approved that and uh you can let Ricky know now. He can do his inspection and move on with

engineer. What? Drainage. Oh yeah. Oh yes. You got lucky. Yeah, they put one in across. Well, see that that was one of the ones that went in on Yeah,

no, they are. But but that's what I say. I I I get phone calls. You know they're doing this here. You know they're doing that here. That's why I said the first two agenda items are after the fact kind of thing. Oh yeah. A lot of in the rear of a house. No, I'm just saying like a lot of people's sheds, they don't see what they're doing.

All right. Second we have on the agenda is uh Simino. Thank you. CNO at 116 Washington Street. Uh you guys remember 116 Washington Street. You guys have been building and then revert and change and build and revert and change. I think this is the fourth or fifth time. Uh and there again I got phone calls. I actually had phone calls from uh contractor who said that's not us. So uh they're The request right now is to construct the the the little brick

step you might uh little bitty short dwarf wall brick dwarf wall dwarf garden wall okay it's a shark brick wall. Yeah, I I heard about it at meeting was that saying they had called it in anyway more of a plant

it no planter wall would be very small short yeah foot tall and I've talked to at least a couple of you guys and you know like I say it it just I have heartburn when things are done without a permit but as stated in the letter we had no clue that that because part of the landscaping needed a permit and while we're here are we going to need our landscaping plan approved

I I know at one point in time I was digging a drainage swale and this is 15 years ago and you had to get a permit to dig a drainage Yes, I suspect that you have to have a land disturbance permit to do landscaping. I don't ask from your house to your neighbor. Would it be approved? Landscaping causes water to run to your neighbor. What's that? If it's not a landscaping water to run to your neighbor. Oh, no. We know Ricky went over all that with that. That's what the main concern. No, no. Ricky, no. But what I'm asking historical approval for the landscaping. No, no. Not unless you're doing something really odd.

Wall. Yeah. Now, I I do want to ask on your drawing it shows and there is construction going on on the back fence. The pool is We approved that already. Yeah. Yeah, we approved the pool. Okay, I got I got a I got I think the only thing y'all didn't approve and we decided I'm done. I'm not building anything anymore and as long as I live I don't think Pope submitted we were going to uh request for a boat storage like a boat garage. I thought he did request that. Did he bring that though?

I know we discussed it. I don't remember. if he had all the details and we told him we would concept I think we conceptually approved it but we didn't have a cabana no cabana what I have a public patio but it's attached to the house nothing okay I wasn't aware

you're as far out of character. only my opinion certainly not

not the character not the character of this neighborhood you can level the any kind of open

and so from my standpoint as far as the district But when it's not like it stand I'm just every every person that walks past it which we get for 50 people a day just compliment how good it looked.

It's obviously personal it takes I didn't want what everybody else had. I mean that's that's how I operate. I just don't like But it's not

Well, you you're entitled to that opinion. I disagree because I think it is. I think we you know, we have the brick columns that were improve approved between the house and the garage. I think ties everything together and it certainly does not obstruct any type of view. Um, and then plus we had the issue with the land dipping in uh two areas and we're fanatics about our yard. We I don't want a front yard that does this comes up and goes and in order to maintain it. That's why we came up with this idea. You got the uh you got the uh guidelines. That's what you look for.

What? Guidelines. Look for the guidelines. That's what I'm looking

the guidelines. The guidelines regarding you know the what what our ordinance. It's not a fence. That's the question

is what it I tend to agree. because you don't have to walk over from sidewalk to the top of brick one foot tall. You know, you concrete pave the entire front yard. We wouldn't approve that either. It'd be level

and trust me, we wouldn't ask to do that. I think our guideline talk about Yeah, there is up Washington. There's someone that has a brick columns and metal fence in between the columns. And that was actually built before the historic commission existed. That house been there a long time.

I have comments. Please, please, Steve. Steve. Uh, a retaining wall is a structure designed to hold back soil where the ground level on one side's higher than the other side of the ground. It's a retaining wall is what? And I don't know what that definition is in our ordinance. you know what it is, but it's designed to to the sidewalk is lower. Your sidewalk goes down and your your landscape's level and your sidewalk goes down, your soil issue is going to be there.

So, a retaining wall is is something that that is part of that process of making sure that the integrity of your your soil in your property and that you can have a level yard instead of This is but if we put a level yard without the the the little dwarf thing we have we're going to have two spots in our yard will be the grass will be this higher more than the concrete correct and that's the point that's the point of of need your yard needs a retaining wall well

you have a retaining wall that you built but your yard needs one because it flows the flow of the the city's infrastructure goes up to your property in an unlevel manner and it's forced you to have to uh make a retaining wall so that your yard can be a level yard and not one where you walk out trip and fall or where water pools stuff like that. So the city caused the original thing by this is a very wide well you know it's not the city that well somebody did the previous structures there probably I'm only guessing I'm going to go from memory I think those were driveways to the old houses but you had William

there was a drive driveway accesses the city wouldn't have done that without allowing the homeowner to drive over the sidewalk but it's the hurdle they're facing in their yard I see that They need to retain page 36 of our guide.

I would pick vertical board stockade and ornamental iron fences are found in historic district. Fences along street front and near buildings should be refined or ornamental to allow views of the yard and build that chart. Fences for rear side yards may be more opaque. Split rail fences, chain link fences, plastic fences not appropriate except on rear areas of lots. Fences along the rear lot line may be may be constructed of rub board plank or welded wire fabric which I know we have changed that uh fences shall allow ventilation and flood water to pass through the fence material. very few instances solid cement blocks may be used in the historic districts which were badly damaged and hurt. No, I don't don't know that this is a

I think it's a the brick structure, the retaining wall forming the great separation between the private sidewalk that you can put

and then you could put that as a footing for your fence and I don't think they built the I think they built the retaining wall. Everything they've said is that their land's unlevel. The city's infrastructure goes up to their property unle a wall there to make their yard level so that they don't have y'all don't plan on back filling or anything on either side. I think that's picked. I mean, we're waiting because we want to put grass. So, you pull that. We had done anything in a week quickly. But you you had this big side. Yeah, I got a phone call. My question is this. Where the dips are, are you going to add dirt and put it up against that wall?

Yeah, it's a then it's a retaining wall. That's what it is exactly. Everything they're saying to me says one of the pictures shows that we So that's what it's acting as a retaining wall on those low spots. It's only a foot high everywhere else, which is more of a a planter height height, I call it, because your plants are going to be right behind that wall, right? You're going to have landscaping right behind the wall. Have landscaping against No landscaping. I think I'm going to put Sure, I'll sit I'll walk my dogs. I'll sit on

when they get tired. They're going to sit on you have enough space there. I just got I just got I don't think you meet the definition of offense my point because of everything like the picture their testimony everything says which is by definition not and I don't think they're trying to get around the fence thing. I think they're

Can you ask about landscaping? landscaping generally when thinking of plants and you know beds and such when landscaping includes construction of something then yeah we do look at it but you know you I I assumed you were referring to beds and plants and such this was part of the landscaping plan that's why I didn't know

retaining structure at the low. But to make it level, you have to do it a little lower than that. lower than the plane of our

I just got one burning thing all been before us at least four times more than that Lee and and and Tommy M Mc Mor is this it don't know if there's Anything you can think of that you might want to put in the future. You're talking if you

Yeah, I believe you got columns go in the back. What What kind of fence is it going to go? I mean, it's going to be privacy. You know where I'm coming from, huh? One side

and in between. Well, we don't know if we're going to put columns on that side yet or not because how can we We're not going to go on the property. Um I think we will only put two three inches from the property line to be safe. How do you construct a fence by not stepping onto your neighbor's property? Were your neighbor that much of a stickler? Terrible. It's been

Well, then it's kind of like way you build a barn. You you build it and you sand it up from the inside or you have have clips and you set it down. I was just going to say there's anything in the future that you might think you might put on that dwarf wall like a fence. I want to know. Listen, you're never going to put a fence on You're barred from doing it. This right here, I was I have beautiful

outdoor pots. Okay. And it's a planter wall. Then it's a planter wall. It's not really It is part of the landscape. This house has more

been a nightmare. I have not in fact

we only had one but the subcontractor new. It was new. It was totally gutted. It had stuff. Yeah, but they had we had when we gutted we had we had to build outside wall inside to pull up structure and re redo the outside wall and take the wall down. Wine bottles. I found there's some now 40 wine bottles. Big jugs like yellow wine. You want some?

This one had some yellow. Oh, I never met we did it. I think I want to say she the original builder. And it was built after training, right? Yes. And then she took it on trying to fix it. They turn around.

I'm looking under General. I'm sorry, General. uh page 34, general landscaping, and it says, "When introducing additional landscaping features, keep the location style consistent with similar elements in the historic district." So, I I I defer to what Dave has said, and I think we can discuss this for a long time, but I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we my motion will be that this wall is inconsistent with the uh how do they say that? with the style and similar elements particularly in that area and that this wall is not approved. And I have a second write this down and then we'll vote the motion. And gentlemen, before we even vote, I'm going to tell you if if y'all disagree with our decision, you can appeal it to city council. You can go to city council and and say we built this wall. We thought it was just fine and they they very likely will overturn us. We already know that. But our ordinance for historic pres there are no provisions for a variance. There is no provision. We we read it the way it's written, interpret it the best we can, and there are no provisions for variances. I make I had the motion to disapprove this wall as been second by Mr. Dave Wessing

and your motion is classifying it as a wall. Well, we we get it down. Okay. Well, this is where I said landscaping feature. Yeah. Even though it's a landscape Yeah. Even even as a retaining wall, we add we introduced additional landscaping feature and what was put in was inconsistent with similar elements in the historic district. And as Dave said, had it been brought to us early on when we had looked at it, I I don't know that we would have approved what's there. We may have approved a like you say

an alternative or a picket fence or something of that nature. Uh but e even in in where it talk about that it's supposed to be able to allow water flow and this obviously is to not allow water flow. So it it it it's hard for me to see where when you talk about water flow we we tried to drain to the front right to the street. We told that we had to pay to have drainage. The drainage, there's no drainage on our property. The drain is on the other side of the street and the water pulls up.

And we were told we got a letter from the uh gentleman, I'm I'm sorry, but after it rains, I can drive you all over Bay St. Louis and show you every all kinds of places that have water pool up. I have a twoacre yard. I got several little ponds. You go down Third Street, there are right there by Kerry Court, there's a there's a pond. Every time it rains. This is the bulk of the city of Bay St. Louis is in a flood zone. Water pooling up is a fact of life. It's kind of like we have we are a the primary economic driver in this town aboards. Like it or not, that's what we have.

Well, I'm not talking about tooling. I'm talking about drainage. We were told that everything has to drain to the past for who? Honestly, Ricky. Yeah, I think Ricky said he's the one that should that he took James and I think Y'all can y'all can disagree and say I'm agreeing with you.

Uh the the um I'm sorry. The motion is to disapprove this

either even if we classify it as a I know you stepped out as a retaining wall. Uh se page 34 on the general landscaping you know if we look at it as Steve's brought up as a retaining wall. We talked in the fencing section where it's supposed to allow water flow. This obviously does not. And then on the general landscaping says introducing additional landscape features to keep the location and style consistent with similar elements in the historic district. And as Dave and I have both noted this is this is the only thing there that looks like that. Now I have informed them that they can appeal this to city council.

So the motion is to deny to disapprove it. I have one vote as a John Zoo is a yes. Yes. No. And a no by Steve Hos and a yes and a yes. And two blocks away. I know of a whole block of street. There's one on Union Street. You may want to have your drainage plan available and ask the city. They're on the city council. But what

I without looking at your drainage, I don't understand why because where you're at, the water would tend to flow towards the beach, towards the street. You know, the way your house is built up, it should drain away from the house in all four directions. Y'all built up just a little bit. No, we didn't. We didn't build at all. We slab existing. Okay. Yeah, we just But I would just advocate you go to the city council and they say nobody has we took pictures of others and I appreciate that block away.

Had I known that I had to make my house look like everybody else before I bought it, you would have moved. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to live in a community where everybody's got the same thing. Well, you definitely need to look at the new

basically tell if it was picket fence and I don't want a pick. My house doesn't say ticket, but I wasn't a picket fence before. Yeah. There was a picket fence before. Yeah, it was a weird looking fence. Yeah, it had to come down. at the gate. What you call at an arbor with that bird. All right. So, my my suggestion I don't know when next city council meeting is.

I'm taking notes also that our discussion included that this was a retaining wall water uh drainage device I guess or structure. No, no, I wouldn't classify that. was so that our yard wouldn't wash into the street during a heavy rain because of the dips and we are not holding water and you want he can drill holes but we're not holding water because there's no sides and it's open in the middle. We're not closing it in in the middle. The sidewalk in the driveway.

The sidewalk is in the middle of Okay. saying the flow of y'all's that is the natural all the lots over there to the I would bring it to the city something don't add up wash out into the street water flows to the rear all drains to the rear

you know excuse me I said to the bank It's draining to all the lots are are draining to that corner. That's

I tell you what land probably about rain all the way up to probably the railroad track. Oh yeah. And you can see it you drive down the beach and you're between citizen and Valentine and you see a lot of in the street after the rain.

That's water draining through our property and our neighbors property onto the beach and our neighbors put a retaining wall because of that. And in 1969 sometimes you can see water coming up through our yard. The other part of the drainage is go

we catch several blocks of drainage and I imagine they do over there. They're a lot higher but somehow they probably have a lot of natural and we don't have infrastructure in this town for drainage. One of our weaknesses I don't think ever going to get it.

But what if our house at the grade it is we what if that went let's say 10 ft from the rear propert how how would you drain it if you didn't go to the bathroom? I mean you have to drain it to the back. That's the natural you'd have.

There's no way other than building a retaining really that drainage structure below the ground. Put self-service drainage. A lot of people do under behind our house. I know. But they they could drain it. Does Washington Street have storm drain system? The answer is no.

All of it's on the other side of the street. Water runs into the street, goes across the street. You would have had to bore on the street go onto the street. We asked the city to to do that. No, we have to pay for you. You can do it, but you got to pay for it. You got to pay for it on your property. Drainage, that's all on you. But coming out to the property line, I mean, you can dump all the water you want on the street. That's right. There's no house in town is not allowed that doesn't yard. I mean, the street is

the properties on each side of us. You can clearly see it drains the back. It's a natural. The street behind us street, the street may be at one elevation and the all the property dropping at least three feet, maybe four feet. And go by the big house you said was real big. Like a speck house. between Valentine on second street whatever street that is

he had to put in some drainage infrastructure but it wasn't connected to the city that's right now with us and the only What we've said okay remedy for that for you only reme they're way more easy to deal um I'm that was another thing I did not know I had to get approval of what

they got I was looking at it but Okay. Do we have I tell you what, we can reapprove the fence in the backyard. There's no question if indeed it is an approved well that came here one time. Yeah. Well, we want the plans call for a retaining in the back. In the back. Oh, okay.

Plans call for that. And um but then Brick told us the other day that we can't put a tank because we have to let the water float. Who told you? It has to float the back of your property onto this Porno's property. Yeah, that's what they do. And they make and they make us sign a no rise letter saying you cannot drain onto another person's property. When I was a kid, I used to swim in my neighbor's yard. I know, but you don't. Well, that that's a that's that's a you're not supposed to drain on your neighbor. That's anything else. But what these this is this plan?

No, that's their site plan. It's they've been having it. But this is the fence that they're building trying to build back. the bricks with the top. Yeah. Okay.

Let us for the record that's going to be they're going to put the fence and put a wall there retaining wall that gets out of our and everything. But if they going to put if they're going to level up the back and put a fence, then it's going to by the fact that you're putting unless you put holes in it and go to the which is where it should be anyway. I mean in my

agree amount of water everybody on the street running water on that guy. He's going to have a river back. He's very low. And then all the all the people on the other side which is what citizen That's right. They are all draining to him too. Yeah. Because it's very deep there. And I I know that the option is what Dave talked about when you put in the retaining wall. They can put 4 in sleeves for drains.

And and I tell you who an expert is on doing that is Mr. Ben. He did it one block over where he's building right now between Valentine and Citizen. That's what he's had to put in a whole infrastructure there. Underground drainage. Yeah. Underground drainage. So you know, but where where does the water go? Goes to not the new ones. The new ones go to citizens.

I mean to to hand they drain the hand. They might even drain their house. They be seen retrospect. If you get into a situation, it's very

Yeah, I would I would be careful. I got started with that. I don't know. Right now you can't say that.

Okay. Has the brick uh wing walls on the top to in between the backyard. Get through the backyard. That's been house. where they have fences. Okay, there's the old boat. That's what

Oh, right. I understand. So, that's your backyard, right? That's porno's and you want to put a fence back there. Look like this, right? I don't see why not. You're showing a retaining wall. You just showed showing the above. No, it's I modified it because I was told that you couldn't put a retainer. Put a retaining wall. You could put a drip there. The grass won't grow on their fence. I don't know why you would put a retaining wall just retaining wall. It's ridiculous to put a mow strip.

Yes, you can mow your grass while having grass on your planet. Let the water from yard not drain. You know the mo strip is, huh? About that wide. So you can mow your grass up against the fence so that you can grow under your fence, right? Little concrete mo strip about that thick. Make it level or whatever across the back of your fence and then put your put your That's what military Mo invented it.

It's a called a mo strip. That's what they do on the government government uh you know on the fences. a little concrete strip all the way down and they let you let you mow your grass without grass growing in the fence. [snorts] Yeah. Just move right up against it's flat water.

I mean the all these this I wouldn't bring it up the house if you already had Yeah, it's already been approved, I believe. I just want to make sure. It's right here. It's going to go right here. It's going to go right here. Right. Right here. Oh, no. That's built here. It's this. It's a little access. That's a little This side. This side. You've already got this. No, that's being built. Well, it's already been approved. But we're not approval. The only Yeah. No, no, you already got that. It says 24 by 28 brick columns right here and right here. That's what you want to build, right? That's your wing.

They already got so by us. There's other department. I'm just saying I mean you you could have come in from the property line back here a couple inches, right? Yeah. I'm not going to dare put anything. Okay. What we're discussing now is is more drainage and things and we need we have another gentleman that's patiently waiting. You go go to the bathroom. Yeah, we can hear your your application. I mean

I mean you can make you can make you can make a six inch strip. This gentleman is uh these guys are helpful. We Yeah, we're going on to the next guy. We got Thanks, guys. Good luck. If you see me sitting on your your retaining wall. All right, we got a kick him off. I already done that one. This one.

Look, it's already it's already Well, we got my neighbors.

It's like a dam at the end of the gentlemen. We got to get We got to get moving again. All right. uh at 311 dematzel an add-on. Thank you for coming. We're not trying to be obre uh construction of a picket fence in the front yard. This is the location that he's showing. This is the style of fence that he is proposing. And this is a little bitty one. Uh it's a picket style It meets our criteria.

I want to make sure you don't think that that's fine. And I move that we accepted. Okay. I second that. Okay. I have a motion. Oh yeah. Motion to approve as presented. I second. And then he said I I Okay. It would pass 4. Okay. You approve. See how easy it was. Well, we do that while you were, you know, in the bathroom. All right. We had I We had a motion to approve as presented by Mr. Steve Hos. We have a second by second.

Second by David Wesinger. Vote. The motion was four uh four four to I move that we all I have a motion to adjourn by Mr. Dave Westinger. I have a second by Mr. Dave H. Passes four to zero. We want to check on this. We don't want to be here anyway.