Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I'd like to call this meeting to uh order. Welcome to the city of Bton uh Bton Park and Recreation Commission or regular meeting. Today is Tuesday, May 27th. My name is Ben Bernett. Thank you guys for being here. And those online, appreciate you. Uh first up tonight, we have approval of our minutes from our last meeting, which was held April 22nd. I hope uh the other commissioners have had a chance to uh look at the minutes. Um I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as presented. I second. All right. All in favor of approving the minutes from April 22nd as um seen. Please say I I I All right. That will pass unanimously. Thank you. And I would move to approve the agenda presented. All right. I will second that. All of fing all of all in favor of approving tonight's agenda, please say I. I. I. I. All right. Thank you. That will pass unanimously as well. All right. Short and sweet. Through that. Uh next up, we have public comment. If uh this is the public's chance, if there's anyone here tonight that would like to address the commission, um please identify yourself and Okay. Yep. Jim Klein. I'm president of the Charleston Business District. Welcome Jim Borer, sir. And um just a couple of points. Um we really appreciate everything that uh that the parks department including the planners down on Gallow. Um and I do have a couple of questions and a couple of uh requests here. Uh the first is on the 2020 uh pros plan uh on the streets. uh where you uh support uh different areas. It doesn't list uh the Charleston business district or call and

yet we have the planners there and uh we're working on becoming a creative district. Um so I'd like to see what can be done on that. Um next um we've got we want to thank you for the uh baskets. Uh the baskets, any baskets are beautiful. And what I'd like to see next year is some additional units. Uh there's a number of of the the poles that had uh cross arms in the past. Some of those were removed. Uh in one case on Call, uh the city has a a sign in front of uh one of the brackets, so we're not using that. And uh it just really it's made a huge difference. We get uh an incredible amount of positive comments from the community on the planning that's gone on down there. The more we can do with that, the more we can create that uh atmosphere but being a street park, uh the more that makes up for the fact that we don't have a park within walking distance. So and uh the question would be um what product we can use on call to eliminate uh the grass and the weeds that grows heads of the sidewalk. We want to be environmentally sensitive. Is there any uh person that we contact in particular on that? Um I'm going to turn hopefully some of these questions over to the director and Brian here. Maybe they can. Is that anything you can speak to, Brent? On the on the weeds? It's something that we could look into. I probably to defer to streets and their vegetation management plan. Okay. Okay. Um but uh yeah, I'm not sure the best way to go about that. If each individual is out there with a backpack sprayer, I don't see that as being a good thing. So, I think that might go through

streets and public works. Okay. And then how would that be? Sorry. Okay. Would that be Ron then to connect with? Yes. Okay. Um how about the uh the planners on call that Jim was talking about? Is that is that us? Is that parks taking care of that or Yeah. So um there were some additional um large planners that were put out on the sidewalks this year. U but I think the main thing you were the the addition that you were speaking to were the hanging basket. Beautiful. Yeah. But I know that there was um two or three additional of the large planters from the Quincy Square area that we had worked with public works on uh having those moved to Callan. They said that I believe they're at their storage yard, but that would take some coordination between public works and the parks department. And um jeez, I think it was Carlos last year really helped us with uh we got the trees I donated from the Rotary. Uh but the the parks department came out and helped us fill infill the the dirt and actually helped us plant a couple of the trees to which was much appreciated. So, I don't I I don't know what where those planters have gone that were we were told we would get, but I think they're still up there uh at their shop on um on Olympus. No, not at the fairy dock, too. They're over at um Oh, Ostrich. They're the Oyster Bay. They're over at Oyster Bay. Yeah, Brian. There's a lot of them down. or this boardwalk. Yeah, there's those came off the boardwalk. Yeah, there's a bunch of them. But those are ones that I don't think we plan to use either. I'd be curious to see what the other ones Have you seen the ones that are down by the

fairy docks? Yeah. Yeah. Are they like that or are they different? The kids History Museum. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. Charleston has revitalized the area without asking for a huge big dollar expenditure. Sure. And it certainly made a huge difference. M Mr. Klein, do you think the businesses would be in favor of doing like adopt a planter or adopt a basket thing? We've already well we've done that with the the planters and uh we've we've only had one planter where the planting has not been watered. Okay. And that was a misunderstanding. But uh so they've uh we've really paid for um some of the the annual plantings that we have. Yeah. And then the Rotary donated the trees. So yeah, uh we've got that and then the merchants are taking care of the most of the watering. Yeah, it'd be nice if you had a name for a planter and because I mean our our struggle is maintenance and all. I understand we've been doing that. So yeah, that's good. Out of the 13, we have u 12 that are still doing really great. So good. Yeah. Okay. So director, do you need anything from this commission tonight on this? Do you think this is something that the city could could support? Yeah, what we can do is we can reach out to uh Carlos and then figure out who on the public works side we need to coordinate with. Um and then have you spoken with them about locations for those? Okay. So, they already know that. But it sounds like as far as the the large planters, it would just be coordinating getting them there and getting them up and going and then

they'll be taken care of. Sounds like we're ready to get somewhere. Yeah. And it's an embodied effort. appreciate. Great. And then did you check in, sir? I want to make sure that we have your name and number so that um you can get back with you. Perfect. We've I've got Jim's number all over the place. Right on. And um just a couple of other minor things. I did uh Yeah. Uh, I did get a copy of the uh, Seattle City of Seattle U director's rule for having uh, festival streets and I'd like to submit that for you for your consideration. We've been to you and thank you. Um, Seattle has a a program and we've kind of in the original and I brought this so long. This is the 287 page report that Beverton developed for the revitalization of Charleston. Uh, one of the things that we've got in progress right now is the white overl over overpass mural. It's already been painted and uh, this coming Saturday we actually are doing the painting of parts of the mural. The base coat's been painted. Yeah, it's a very striking move and thanks. I know too many papers. Um so um in creating one of the things that was recommended is that uh the section of call between sixth and 9th street become a uh festival street which could be easily closed off and is you would be used as kind of a a real draw for more community events. So we've u in in establishing some of our goals, one of

them is to have events. We've had uh Cars on Callow. Uh Doc Blackwell has had uh a free book event for kids. We have Halloween, which is the Halloween event. That brought in how many people? Oh, in our first year, it brought in a thousand people. Yes. Uh with about more than half of that being little kids. So, as you bring the community in, it's kind of a goal so that since we don't have a formalized park in the area where people can gather having that designated whether we call it a a festival street which uh Mayor Wheeler has talked about not just for Kell but also for Quincy Square um that whatever we end up calling it what we'd like to do is develop some type of a plan where the parks department can have more events and uh have that focus on uh down there uh in that area and um really make it so that it's noted as another gathering place uh for all the not just for the neighborhood which it is a district center and designated as such but really for the for people from all over and uh the last event we had uh was uh the spring fling we had people come from uh and from um there was somebody visiting from Portland who saw the signs and they actually pulled into Callow and and visited with a couple of the merchants. So, it's just how do you take the success of of downtown, how do you take what's happened uh with all of the new construction going on over here uh or what's happened down in Manette and put that down into Callum. And that's kind of where is we're just presenting a loose idea to the parks department.

We've had a really good relationship with public works and with with the city council in getting these projects moved forward. So the it's been going on forever and I don't know how the process works but down in Manette they close off a section of East 11th a couple times a year. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if it's just a permit thing or or how it works. It's a Yeah. It's really starts through community development. Okay. Um because anything basically outside of parks, that's where the permit process starts. It's a permit thing then. And we're okay with that. We've done that. We've done the permit. Okay. So, you've closed you've closed that street before. Yes, we have. And we've done that as in some of the cases. It's a combination. We're not our organization is not yet a 501c3. Yeah. We're working through that process. But we've, for an example, on the mural, we've partnered in with uh West Sound Arts Council and so we're using them and it just kind of all fits together. But the more we educate um and come together, we we're finding more and more great ideas are out there and it's all of the little individual pieces of a puzzle that says, "Wow, uh we're going to make that area of Breton be something for everybody." I think it's great. I'm just not sure since you already can close the street. What what I'm not sure what you're asking of us here. Okay. Well, what what we're looking for is it to be designated as a festival street and the information from Seattle. Okay. really does give a pretty good line guideline and that then becomes almost a banner or lumpier or whatever you want to call it that says,

"Wow, there's something special about this area." And so it's not going to be a huge deal initially, but it'll be another one of those steps that allow us to make that a true parklike gathering setting. Does that help? Yeah, I think so. Well, I'm I'm I'm sensing something that's a council action that because I don't think we have any festival streets now. So I think um the Quincy Square once I think I think maybe maybe Jim's original point is something that when we um start continue to review um the pros plan uh ties into the festival street part is the um not notification especially with today's conversations because we have a lot of streetscapes right uh call and um Charleston district aren't listed even though it's areas that we maintain. So, I think that's probably a good starting point is to create a section for Get it on the inventory. Yeah. Get it on the inventory and list it and then you know the management issues um you know that that we okay we'll talk about today just kind of in general with those and then the recommendations okay I'm guessing is a good way to kind of approach it from this group's angle. Yeah. And what I'll do is I'll pull section uh from uh the this sub area plan and forward it to uh to you and then you can see what the what the original concept was of turning that into a festival street. We don't the their the concept in the the plan says, you know, redoing the sidewalks and putting in new lighting and and uh spending capital money, realistically, um that would be great. But at the same

time, if we can do it without having to spend millions of dollars and come up with something that works, then you know, if that's five years or 10 years down the the road, at least we've set the stage for what can happen. And as we do that, the more and more things that we can give back to the community. And it's not just doing an event. It's that we have Abraham's house on one part of Call that helps people in need. We have uh people's exchange uh spread supplies is a great example of this where they sell uh not only new but used uh part supplies and um they have been recognized uh or Reema has been recognized by the county for her uh part in Earth Days uh as being an example of a business that is a good steward of uh the environment. And one of the reasons I brought Jessica along is she's working on the project of having storm drain art uh where like at Olympic College they have that and she's done this been working with the city on that. So then you educate people. So it's education, it's events, it's diversity, it's art, it's inclusive, uh it's cultural, uh and it's creative. Uh we've got everything from tattoo parlors to the uh a carpenter shop to uh you know places for coffee and and um moments a place for parties for kids. Member of illustration is doing uh a fabulous job of bringing different artists into the into the area. And of course then we're now involved with First Friday. Um, and it's like here's this asset for the community and it it's we're trying to build the story. So, the more we put all

of these things in place, uh, the more you're going to see the west side of Breton match um, downtown or waterfront or what's happening with Leo Boulevard as the example, you know. And and the mayor did say one time he said that this area was an example of where the city went in and made a capital investment and then the builders come back or the developers come back and they see that this is a great place to invest. And as you do that then you're enriching not just that area but the whole community. Does that help? Yeah. Mr. Klein, thank you for being here tonight and bringing this information to the commission and um I know the director and um we'll follow up with you uh in regards to the weeds and the uh planners. One other small request, uh I'm part of the downtown business association board and u and also I'm on the Rotary board. So, we just attended the meeting on u the blackberry festival and one of the things we looked at was uh that there's some uh costs uh involved in that for uh portaotties and I don't know uh if I haven't reviewed what the budget is for the parks and I know that everybody in the that's involved with budgeting is challenged this year and next year but if there is an opportunity to participate uh with the Blackberry Festival and maybe supply some additional uh portaotties. Uh that may help us offset some of the other expenses that we're going to face. So now you have Charleston, you have Rotary, and you have downtown Bington. So great. Thank you. Appreciate it. My pleasure. Yeah. Thank you, sir. And yeah, you're welcome to say for this meeting. We got a lot on the agenda, but thanks again for being here and presenting. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right.

Anyone anyone out there virtually director? You see that? Just the ones that we know. Okay. Right on. We are going to move along to a staff reports and updates. First up, we have uh highlights and hurdles video. Did our other audience member want to start? No, it'll [Laughter] talk. Okay. Sorry about that. Okay, so we have uh this month's video besides our individual videos, we have a highlights and hurdles video um that uh Colette put together. I'm really hoping it works. Um I came in and tried it and then had to reload it. So I'm hoping it can get all the way through is my plan. And let's see if it doesn't load. Brian, I'm really worried. Give her the kudos. So, these are all items that we've been dealing with over the past month. Yeah. Obviously, the pool was emptied. Oh, shoot. This is what it did last time. Buffer. Yeah, not buffering. So, I've downloaded them all. Like, yes, I've downloaded them all. So, then they can stream, but then this one has Can you click go ahead 30 seconds? Yeah. No, it wasn't. And it it just goes to stopping and starting over. So, it is the same spot. Shoot. Yeah. So it is Brian. It is Brian's again. Yeah. And what was this event right here? So

that was our Arbor Day tree planting. Awesome. Yeah. And then Yep. This is at the pool. The work that we had done there. That's all the new place. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shoot. So I'm sorry. What the show? We had a Yeah. Go ahead. In the overflow tank portion of things, that's where all the filtration is for the pool. And basically what it is, it's like a uh a steel square with a fiberglass liner in it. Okay. That has the uh filters in it. Okay. One of the weld supports of br uh sprung loose and we uh had a leak coming out of some of the welds. got some weak corro corroded areas. So I went in there and recut like a foot section out and rewelded it all back together. Okay. Um redid some fiberglass with the help of public works. Um that's the Yeah. Okay, cool. I'm going to try in one other program. Who's your welder that contract or variable contract? Okay. And how it turn out? We everything good? Yeah, it turned out fabulous. Great. We don't talk about it. Okay. Because then there won't be an issue. Roger that. I'm So I'm going to try to open it off of our hard drive, but it shouldn't work because it should be too large and buffer, but you never know. It might end up it might end up working. Yeah, it's a great video. We'll have to figure out what's going on with it because it won't even Yeah, it

won't even start there. Okay. Bummer. Oh. Yeah. It's going to go two seconds at a time. Okay. We'll get back to the regularly scheduled program. All right. Maybe next question. Yeah. Okay. How about uh Hen Park renovation? I think it's open. Okay. I can let uh Colette and uh Brian kind of give you updates of where we're at with those projects. Yeah, there was uh some footage in the video of the the playground continuing to be um built and um staff are working hard to we've got a lot of out of contract items to to be done to be done this uh month. Brian's been working hard to get PSC to complete their work. Um, their drop down service which will allow the irrigation contractor to complete their work and allow us to to plant trees. So, there's there's a lot to do um in a very busy time of year, but our our goal has always been to complete the project by the end of June um sooner if possible. So, we're we're running up against the wire, but um uh we'll see how we do. So, we've got new park signage, um including interpretive sign that I'm working on that will talk about the history of the park and uh Lulu Haden's, um contribution to the city, um site furniture to install, trees to install. Um so, yeah, we'll we'll be planning a ribbon cutting ceremony. My guess is it'll be in July, but that the park will be open sooner. Brian, why can't they open the park right now? The restroom I don't think is completed.

We We need them to come back and um repaint it. It wasn't painted per the specifications. Um and we don't have the electrical work done. But I mean, does the restroom have power? No. No. That's a good reason. That's the part with the I drive by it and I go, it looks done except for the fence. Same thing with the playground. Um Oh, yeah. I didn't mention the playground. Go ahead. Yeah, I think the playground's essentially done, but we don't have any fall protection in there. Okay. Because this bud this project is on such a tight budget, we're wavering to wait and see if we can have the um engineered wood fiber blown in versus hauled in and we have to wheelbarrow it. Okay. Um if we if we have enough money to have it blown in, then we'll get it done that way. But yeah, little things like that is is kind of and again it's part of like waiting for PSSE to be or PS to be done. And so that kind of tells us whether the we have money for any additional work the contractor has to do. We're saving some funds by taking a role away from the contractor because then they'll have to remobilize. Um so we're going to do we're going to do prep work for PSC's work uh prior to them being there instead of having the contractor do that to save us a little bit. What is PSC's work? So, basically what's going to happen is there's a power pole that it's off of Lafayette. Um, they're they're going to bring power and new transformer to that that pole. That pole is actually scheduled to be replaced. Um, but they're going to run wire down the pole into a a Dbox basically or a junction box and that'll tie in the Russian. the wires ready to go for the

restroom electricians just wait for the power so you can do final hookups and then once the power's in that allows the controllers to be tested and everything else for the irrigation there is manual ways to go about it but nothing short of being out there that's really depressing automated we've been waiting for PC to do the new test six yeah we've had issues too and part of the reason why we're stepping in is because there was some conflict between the contractor and PSSE and that's why we're saying we'll just do it to get it done. Thanks Jim. We'll see it. Yeah, it's been my Y finally got it scheduled but shut down by the fire department all the irrigation control between the bathrooms and ask for the restroom. Yeah, it's all Got it. It's all Mike. Yeah. And we're hoping to have that uh whole dug this week. It is a short week. Um I did call for locates today. So hopefully within the next 48 hours or so, we'll have great our answer and then we can uh try to get a piece of machinery back there and get everything pulled out of there and then uh contractor can finish up his work. We can open it for the public. All right. Any other questioners have any other questions? PS is PSSE giving us a schedule? No, that's what I'm working on right now. I like I said, we just went in a black hole. Like it's like I was so They're at our door anytime they need my signature on something right away. Okay. Yeah. It seems like everything's a panic when they need something, but I've been so Oh, yeah. For sure.

June 10th we're getting in our new transform. All right. How about uh Kids at Lake? How things going out there? Uh things are going good since the last since our last meeting. Uh the park um the the lake is open. So the the fishing pier and the the boat launch are open. Um we still have we have temporary fencing up around the this was also in the video. I don't know if we were able to see that far. Um but um we have fencing around all of the um landscape areas, hydro seated areas so that those can um get established. We also have uh site furniture to put in. Um and then that whole upland section that will be a phased approach because we'll need to uh get the irrigation installed. Um, we might we might be able to open up just the pathways, but we'll kind of need to play it by ear at that point. Playground selection will occur uh later this year. So, likely in the fall with that additional Department of Commerce money that's coming this summer. Great. Are we seeing use out there already? We see Yes. Yeah. Great. It's It's popular on days like today, and I'm sure tomorrow will be popular as well. Are we locking the gate at like dusk out there still? Okay. We're still going out there locking that gate and when we can. I mean, sometimes some people lock. You don't want to lock people in. That's a whole another trip. Understood. Yeah. Even during construction while heavy machinery and equipment were there, people were trying to Oh, really? Oh, were trying to put a hard hat on and get the No. Yeah. They were trying They were trying to unload their boats there. Yeah. Signage. What signage? Get that thing onto the wood. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Good stuff. No, very exciting. Yeah. The only other piece is Colette um made

mention the Department of Commerce. We received funding um I can't remember if we had if we knew for sure last month or not that we received funding for the playground uh in this in the state budget. We had thought we would, but we did we did get confirmation. Playground will be funded uh by 300k of commerce proposing. Okay, cool. Perfect. All right, let's move into uh new business and get into this pros plan. All right. Plazas, greenways, facilities, streetscapes. Oh my. Is that how it goes? Okay. So, we'll um and I don't know if I had mentioned Colette's uh working remotely from home joining us. She didn't want to she's she's had a cold over the weekend and uh um was in her office this morning, but she usually works from home in the afternoon and thought it would be best that she wouldn't come in here and infect anybody. Yeah. Thank you for being considerate. Unless you want to be infected, then you could go visit her. I don't think you guys want to be infected. Yeah. This is [Laughter] Okay, so we'll get going with Kitap Lake Wetlands. Let me get rid of that. the wetlands and you're all familiar with where the wetlands are located just adjacent to Katapat Park.

This is like a million dollar shot right now. school. Colette spent five days out there waiting working remote. So, this just kind of gives you a perspective of the length of that area. Sped up. Yeah. Is that all permitt? Yeah. Right along the lake. Yeah. Where's the lake? What's that? Where's the source of the water for the lake? No, for the wetlands. For the wetland area. Um, I don't know if you have a better answer. No, I actually have not actually thought about that. Um, I'm trying to think if I've seen a aerial plan of the topography of where where it's what hillside or something that it's coming off of. Yeah. Let's see. Let me get that. So, you know, just one of the things you'd want to look up at least would be upstream, right? You know, if you're talking about management, you want to look upstream. Yeah. Current um trail, boardwalk, whatever there now or So, yeah. So, there's none of as far as um the inventory. Um obviously the shoreline's there, wildlife viewing opportunities. That's essentially all that's there. Um, so if you noticed between the top item and the bottom, which is the draft

update, there's really no changes being recommended. Um, and the biggest issue with moving forward with this project would be funding. Um, these items I believe have have been on here is as far as improvement recommendations. There's still ones that we would we would like to see, but again, it's going to be really it's it's not a huge priority. Uh but it's something that we'd still like to see occur because it it is an amazing area that would be really cool to have a trail system uh within. But yeah, that one's pretty straightforward that we really don't have any new recommendations uh besides um you know looking towards funding um that can help us uh really start that development because it's really inaccessible at this point. Yeah. Mr. An comments on these are the kind of projects that when public works is doing something they need mitigation for. Look look look for this project. Yeah. Something in the wetlands usually draws good support. Yeah. Okay. So we'll move on to Stephenson Canyon. All right. another hike courtesy of Brian and Tim. So, Jennifer Chamberlain has started a um stewardship group in Stephenson Canyon. So every fourth Sunday of the month at 3:30 they go out and uh like this last Sunday they worked on ivy removal. Um this is an area that we've talked about for off leash dog area if you're

familiar with it. Yes. It's just below where our green houses are up here. So just to the left down there. Yeah. That looks pretty good over there. They were using that as like a layown area for a project at one point. Yeah. Man, when Carlos came in, he really cleaned that all up cuz it was getting to be quite a mess. So, I will mention this is one piece that we'll talk about on here, the Morrison Court entrance. Remember a few months ago, we had someone come, I believe it was here, and made mention that there was a basketball poop there. This is it. And that plaque is new then? Yeah, we don't believe we had anything to do with the plaque. Um any development that's occurred there and correct me if I'm wrong. Um Colette, but uh they've really kind of driven it. We think that they maybe even initially put in the basketball hoop. We'll replace the net every now and then if they get into that area and see it. Um, but we're not even sure those that utilize that um, basketball court originally are even in the neighborhood. I How do I How do I get to that? Is it off a libo? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You go up like you're going to get on War Bridge and then you take a left. I I have never seen that basketball hoop in my life. Yeah. That's just a road that blowing my mind. I'm pretty familiar with prep. That one's got me. I am. I will leave here and go find it. Yeah. When you're coming when you're getting onto the bridge and you look over to the left there coming off a libo, you'll see it. Okay. It's weird because I never saw it before until uh some people mentioned it and said,

"Yeah, that's there's one there." And there's an entrance to the canyon there. There's correct. Yeah. Okay. So you know 50 years ago thing the were the only two people to show up and we brought these little clippers and the ivy was big. We had to go back and get a saw and we did light two trees. You remember that, Colette? He's not gonna She's gonna deny it. Oh, there she is. Oh, you've got your Yeah, I'm sorry. I was I was muted. Yeah, I do remember that, Jim. That was that was that was fun. Beauty and Brian. Yep. We lived on Lewis Avenue then, which was had back access to that park. I used to walk through it all the time. All right. So on Stephenson Canyon inventory um on the top one thing we removed it said city greenhouse and material storage. So we've removed the material storage and so we've just decided to cross that off as far as what's noted below. Um some of our material storage is kind of between Olympus and across the street here. Um, so that's really the only deletion from up above. Um, on the draft agenda, uh, we dated the basketball hoop as 1995. Um, and then the improvement recommendations on the bottom. Uh, we talked about uh, one of the things mayor talked about to me when I came in was potential surplus of some properties. Not that we want to get rid of parkland and never get it back, but this the

basketball hoop area um on McKenzie Court um is one of those that you know it's in a little culde-sac of duplexes and the property that has the basketball hoop. If we could maintain um a rideway trail access between the properties, I think that would be prime for like a little duplex lot or something cuz we really don't know if that basketball hoop is really getting used anymore. uh from what we're so from what we know I don't know if this is true but the story was that this property was deed to the city for the Navy for park use only okay so it may be you might want to go look at the okay ownership to see I did I didn't go back on I can do that but I looked at it and that little piece is part of one one section 10 It is. Yeah. It's not separated. Yeah. So, it would be interesting because I'll see if I can um at one point the city was using the park as a dump site. Mhm. And I just asked if they'd gone through a process to do that and they hadn't to be able to, you know, kind of start using the park as a dump site. director. I see in the um where we just talked about sepia, it mentions material storage in there. I know I saw you removed it from inventory, but I still see it in the U verbiage talking about the Oh, in the in the Yeah. And then did you uh I'm thinking um on our other parks like when where we had stewardship programs, do do we have that listed in our pros plan that we have an active group that's maintaining that? It just Do you do we have that for um Forest Ridge? Yeah. Does it say that in the pros plan? I think it does. I

haven't I'd have to go back and look. I know that it's been mentioned whatever that group is. I just think that might be Yep. Yeah. Need to mention that. Definitely want to capture that. So, you know, Yeah. And one of the things once we finish going through all of these pieces that we'll need to go through again and look for consistencies uh because it'll be noted too with the um Madrona Trails. Um I think we do make mention of something in Madrona Trails. So, um, and we'll probably be more vague, like there's a desire to maintain a stewardship group as opposed to it being there because this one just started and may go away in 6 months. Who knows? Yeah. Good. Okay. How are the um, how much greenhouse in pretty good shape? Pretty good. No. Oh. early 2000s. Okay. Cuz I think they're dated on them. All right. I want to say like 2001, 2002. I could be totally wrong. I mean, you guys walk. I mean, I haven't been on those trails in a while, but I I know they get used. I mean, so how's the We get trash build up up there, people dumping. So, on occasion, and it's kind of one of those things. Yeah. We we do come across homeless folks that just want to be by themselves, you know, and sometimes we'll still bond. Yeah. Okay. A lot of the are always monitoring activities. Yeah. And that's kind of been one of the big pushes in our discussions is activating these areas, especially these forested areas. the and not that we want them to be overly used because I think we're

kind of pushing the limits a little bit with the NAD park and and the disc golf. Um uh but we want them to be utilized so there's activity occurring positive activity that's occurring. Is the gate open to like go into the greenhouse? Is that where people like the gates open where people will park during the day and then it'll get locked at night? Okay. Yeah. All right. Hey, Richard. Got anything else in the center, too? Cool. All right. All right. Next. Kitup Conference Center. Oh, yeah. Plaza. Good music choice, Colette. I think she did this after she probably had like four cups of coffee. Going to work out. She's pumping. That's just caught them right when they were getting everything set up. Not working yet, is it? They are. These ones. Yep. Okay. Is the little jump feature working too? The water would like squirt out and jump to the other one. Do not the round one. Uh on the on the stairs. I feel like there was one at the bottom that would shoot over the top. I could be wrong. No, you're right. The one that they these ones right here, that very last one to the one to the bottom. Yeah, that that feature is not working. Hey, right on. Things happen, Colette. I some jets need to be replaced. like a lot of a lot of needs to be jumping. Yes, they would jump to Yep. You got it.

Y Okay. Yep. Look at that dog looking like that. What are you doing up there? But the water's running in there now. Yep. Yeah. Again, great features that were installed 20 years ago and now we're starting to um need to try to figure out how we maintain and keep them keep them working. Okay. Um, Kitap Conference Center. Um, only thing on the top that was removed. Um, we removed Water View. Um, again, for consistency, we don't have it listed for like Lion's Park or other areas. There's a lot of areas in town that have water views. So, that was just kind of a simple change there. Uh inventory, we added the number of tables and chairs. We have 19 chairs there. Um management concerns um under the the draft update. Fountains aging and not working as designed, music jet sensors, etc. um is starting to become an issue. Um also under management concerns, we rewarded the diseased trees and planters, trees and um planter maintenance in general. Um, so it was listed up above, but we just kind of rewarded it to to kind of consolidate a couple things. And then improvement recommendations. Um, potentially consider some sun shades up there. Uh, develop partnership with businesses to help with maintenance. I'm not sure if that was part of your comment to Jim. Jim was that you read through this and saw that as a consistent thing or you just randomly said it, but it it's definitely a theme throughout today's items that we're looking at. And not that we're trying to hand things off, but in these areas,

there's significant amount of detail, right? Um, and there's a lot of different examples out there of how businesses can partner uh with the city. um in in Lewon when I was there um downtown Lewon was very similar to how downtown Breton is maintained. Um and the majority of businesses were on a street called 21st Street that went up a hill uh that all had to maintain their own landscaping and everything else. And I think it's probably a common theme in a lot of downtowns that for some reason uh the regular routine maintenance gets turned over to the city. Uh what we did in Lewon was uh there was a an organization like um the downtown business association here um which was called beautiful downtown Lewon. They actually created an LI to tax their themselves for maintenance of and landscaping. So some development, some improvements. we had a little um stage downtown and so they they did upgrades to it but they also provided funding towards the maintenance of the streetscape. So Austin yeah which is great. Yeah, I would say all but one is a pretty good success rate and it because of confusion is the only reason why that one's not being maintained. But yeah, so that's kind of where I was coming from and my thoughts when we talked to staff in relation to um Oh, our son went away. Uh when in talking in relation to all of this maintenance, um what can we do to try to because we want it to continue to look really really good, but we don't see any staff coming our way or anyone's way in the city for a while. Um but how do we make this sustainable? Is is there a benefit or reason that we don't have this plaza just tied into the boardwalk?

I get it. I mean, it's got some neat other features and whatnot. The only thing you know on on the note of partnering that I would want to kind of explore and reason to keep it separated is this would be a great opportunity for Colombia Hospitality to partner with us who manages the uh conference center and profits from the conference center. Oh yeah. Okay. That okay that makes sense to me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And my comment earlier about the the providing some shade or some things like that was more for the performers, the great the stair wave for people to get out of the sun. I mean, you had the one part of this thing you saw with the video is like it's totally exposed to the sun, right? And when people are there, you see Well, actually, it's perfect picture right there. See where the shade is? That's where people sit. just right right along there and there will be one one shaded tent that we provide that is packed full right in front of the stage. Y but you know like I said we're wimps when it's 75 out we melt. Yeah, those um canopies are new to our events because there didn't used to be any and now there are several tanks scattered about. Yeah. Is there any interest in tracking the amount of garbage cans that we have in our facilities? That's a lot. Yeah. I don't know if we want to add that to our in, you know, we we're doing tables and chairs. I don't know about sixyear inventory, but I think I think as far as a budgeting um and asset management, it would probably would be useful. Um because yeah, I mean it's it's great

information. Again, where I was at before, we love to say, yeah, we had 94 garbage cans and and we literally had one person that emptied garbage cans all day and one person that cleaned restrooms all day. I mean, we have the same thing. We have 240 hanging planters and I love the way they look and Jim loved them, but we're already at 240. Yeah, there's got to be a limit, I think, on the street garbage. Uh, waste management picks up those, don't they? We do that under a contract with waste management. Probably the downtown. Yeah. That's not in the areas that we maintain. Yeah. Yeah. Not in the parks. So, if they're just driving right away, right? What's that? Like city. That is Yeah. I think under our contract saying, "Gee, by the way, you're going to pick up all our public garbage cans along our streetscapes." Oh, you you guys don't do like Washington Avenue, Pacific Avenue stuff, do you? Yeah. So, I think Waste Management does that. Yeah, we would we would pick them up in the plaza though, right? The conference center plaza. That would be us to the street. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, we'll relocate them along the street. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just saying there's there's cans on the streets in the downtown. Are those ones that were empty? Charleston has the blue ones. I think we Yeah, they have silver plated on the sides. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know who picks up. They probably pick up the recycle one. We have a couple of recycled ones, but they're not in the parks, right? I think it's part of our waste management contract. Great. Any commissioners have anything other anything for the kids have conference center?

Uh this is Ken. I just had a quick question. The um my camera for night to shine a special needs prom that's in the community. They moved from the uh I'm part of that committee. We moved from the kids at fairgrounds to the conference center. And the question was asked specifically around lighting and fountains. if there was like an event or a special event, does a city allow for those fountains to come on or that's just there's just a certain time throughout the year that those are operating? So, we can I can answer a couple of those things. Um, there is a time of year we do winterize those. Um, uh, how long they stay on, we we have some adjustment to that, but what you see is kind of what you get right now with kind of the aging and antiquated system that's down there. Gotcha. There needs to be some funds that need to be invested to have a little more versatility in that. Okay. But if it's like a time of day thing, I don't know what time do they if they shut off at 10 p.m. Yeah. And we could set the timer for we keep the fountain running. Yeah. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Yeah. And typically they're turned on in uh late April. Okay. I think is probably what usually happens. Yep. Okay. But the the big center one at the entrance isn't working right now. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Yeah, the big round one's not working. Appreciate it. The big the one that's in the picture. The ones that's not operating, is it? It's just for little ones. Right now, it's not operating the way it's supposed to. Okay. But it does have some It's not fully functional, but it's got the valve just turned out so it's a minimal amount of water just shooting out. Okay. It was kind of coordinated with music at one time. Yeah, it was an analog system and we're way past that age. Uh

so yeah, serious upgrades need to be invested into that to uh get it to those expectations that we're hoping to achieve. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, you bet. Okay, this is the other video that I'm hoping works. Uh that wasn't working before fully. Yeah. That's some Jedi work. If I can that only worked it if that only worked on Wednesday nights. Okay. If you if you scrub through that section that where it stopped working, will it start working again? I'm just No, it just it starts over at the beginning. Oh, bummer. Um, yeah. And if I do the 30 seconds forward, it just when I hit start, it goes back to the beginning. Oh, wow. Okay. I was able to get them all to play on my desktop when I had them downloaded to my desktop. I know. And those are the everything else worked and but except those two. And I don't know if it's if those are the longer ones if for some reason, but yeah, that's I don't know. I couldn't get it to I couldn't get either to work at my desk this afternoon. They are. They are both longer than the others. So probably why. Okay. Shoot. Was that one like were multiple inventory items roofed into that one? That video. Yes. Um I saw like gateway.

Yeah. Gateway. Yeah. Fourth Street I believe was on. Yeah, Fourth Street was on there. Um let me see what our next video is. Sheridan. Yeah. Everything up to Sheridan. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. All the streetscapes. Okay. Yep. Oh, yeah. That's quite a bit. All right. Yeah. A lot of them. Yeah. Um and what what I can do for the next meeting is um try and save it as a smaller file so at least at least we can all see it. Um he'll talk about it tonight. But yeah, I want you guys to be able to see it later. Yeah, they're neat. Yeah, that would be great. Okay. Jim's already moved on and blame me for it, so he knows how it works. Okay, so we'll start with Fourth Street Park Avenue Streetcapes. Um on the 2020 um top of the page, uh we removed replace existing pear trees. And remind me, Colette, is that because they were removed? Yes, they were removed. Okay, that's Quincy Square. Okay, perfect. Yeah. Um and then on the bottom, um again, you'll see under maintenance concerns, inability to maintain streetscape with current workforce and priorities. Um part of the concern or unknown at this point with Quincy Square is who is going to maintain it. Uh we don't know yet. Y uh for sure how that's going to pan out. Um and again under improvement recommendations, the what we added was develop partnerships with adjacent businesses to help with maintenance. Um and then I also wrote a side note about

a potential for LI for local businesses. Um I'm I don't know the business community that well down there yet to know how they would respond to that. So if that's something that they'd have interest in or two of your city council members really involved down there. Yes. So you know that right? Yep. Yep. So they would Yeah. with history museum and the Well, the Roxy. Yeah. They ought to be able to get something going, right? I would replace the picture this because I mean this isn't you will. This isn't even close now. Yeah. The clock is staying. That was always part of the project. It's not going anywhere. Clock is there. Um the fish and the fishermanmen are still there on the corner. Uh but yeah, we'll replace this will get replaced. It's all piano and by the time we get it replaced or by the time we need to have it replaced, um Quincy Square will be all done. So we can just do a brand new picture there. Yeah. That Yep. I mean way way different now. For sure. Yeah. director, when do we anticipate the decision being made on who's going to maintain Quincy Square and who makes that decision? So, I've got a meeting this week, later this week that we're talking about the activation of Quincy Square. Um, and that'll be one thing I'll be taking to them. Um, essentially it would be directive from the mayor is who would decide where where it where it lands if it becomes a contract. Um, depending on I mean the downtown business association may be charged with the event scheduling there and to me then that would mean that they could potentially because they'll be bringing some potential revenue in that they could contract somebody. So, public works already contracts as we've talked

with some of our other sites uh that we've listed that are used as parks, but um and we'll have another one next month used as a park, but they contract out the maintenance of um so I mean maybe even by the time we actually get to, you know, we go to publish this pro plan, this might not even be on the inventory. I think it still would be as a city asset that's used for recreation. Okay. Um, yeah, because we have a number of those. I I think just think it's good to note it as a as a public asset for recreation even though we may not maintain it. We may not maintain dump. Yeah. Like Yeah. Like at some point Yeah. Like Jar I mean Jared Park's a great example. Yeah. Money runs dry. We'll hand it over. Mhm. Yep. Yes. Coms. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Ready to move on? I think so. Any Anybody else got anything? Quincy Square. Did you forward me one of those emails? Sure. 11th and Pacific. Oh yeah. Um so we'll hit two here, but we'll start with 11th and Pacific. I have no no notes on the 2020, but additions for that that are um proposed um again um related to maintenance, the management concerns and ability to maintain street scapes with current workforce and priorities. And then improvement recommendations. This came from Carlos. Um, and it's fairly common

um that if we have an area that's really over landscaped, look at modifying the landscaping to increase the lawn area to reduce some maintenance but keep some of the shrubs um but maybe uh simplify um so it's easier to maintain. And that area is irrigated though. Yeah. Any comments on 11th and Pacific? What are those red things? I mean, what do they represent? Those statue things. Says constellations. Okay. Yeah, constellation score. I mean, I don't see it, but I'm just was wondering who is there a sign there? Maybe I could go and look at it and see who is the artist. Yeah, Arts Commission did it. Yeah, I was gonna say there's got to be something notable. That is that did the guys I started to hear you but then you faded out. What did did the guy Did the uh Did the maintenance guys used to give you a hard time about that corner? Was that was that your little nicknamed corner? 11th and Pacific. For some reason um Yeah. Smitty called it Coco's Park for a while. Yeah. Thank you. That's what I was saying. I I do not take any I Yeah, that's what I was I did I did not adopt it, but So, yeah, there is there is a plaque on it though that says that the preschool um adopted the landscape and that's that's right. That's the one. Okay. It's pretty hilarious. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, Coco. Thank you. But they haven't maintained it. That's a new one. I didn't know the one. See, that's what she can get away with when there's a complete transition. She can have nicknames eliminated. That's

not fair. Not fair. [Laughter] I'll leave some cocoa on her desk for tomorrow. Okay. Um, ready to hit Breton Gateway? Let's do it. Okay. Um, under management issues in 2020, we remove tree replacement when hit by cars. Um, improvement recommendations. Let's see, what did I I highlighted modify center media and landscape treatment to reduce ongoing maintenance. And maybe that's because it didn't it didn't Yeah, we removed that. Um in the proposed bottom section with the Navy that's something Yeah. Um let's see. Oh, you're talking about down below. Yeah. So, um under the inventory. Yeah. Yeah. So, there's a project in place or in in the process right now in the development which um once we settle down a little bit in these meetings, it would be great to have them come and give a presentation because they do have a full presentation um from the Navy League on um basically developing that area as a memorial park. And Colette, is it the is it the USS Breton that they're decommissioning? Yes. And taking apart? So there'll be parts of that that are going to be incorporated into this with some walking paths, walking areas. Sounds amazing. Yeah. So they have a full design of it. Um and they're looking for funding right now. Um but that's the plan. Uh which is obviously right outside the entrance. Um be a kind of cool area.

Um kind of create some purpose for that hillside. But yeah, it's it's on my list of things I'd like to have in front of this group. And so what we may do is have like a design plan because I don't see it being something um it's going to be probably which is soon is probably two years out two three years out I think uh before they're able to start on that. I think the biggest debate right now is trying to get the Navy to not cut it into so many pieces. But I think because of weight and size, they're gonna have to cut it down, which creates more work issue on the back end. Um, but yeah. Yeah. So, that project's moving forward. That's me. Yeah. Um, again, yes. Yeah. Yes, it is. Yeah. Inability to maintain street scapes with current workforce and priorities. So, all of these uh kind of gateway and and street scapes, uh, that's going to be a ongoing concern. We've parties where they come in and help with some of that landscaping, you know, just kind of jump start it. It's a lot of work, which is great. Yeah. And I think these stewardship committees when we have set groups that are getting together is great, but otherwise, yeah, like maintenance of Ivy Green Cemetery, I mean, we'll talk about that next month, but I mean, we're lucky to have the volunteers that we do to help maintain that. Otherwise, we have a staff person that works there part-time. Um, when it should be um we don't have to staff it as much as we really should. Uh, which is good and good and bad. Um, I always hate to have a long-term plan be relying on on volunteers, but I love them when you can

get them. Um, okay. Any any comments on the gateway? We don't I was trying to think about like benches and stuff. There's nothing down there. There's really no Yeah, we'll have to look. Yeah, we don't um How about the um How about the you know that Is that something that should be added to the inventory? I don't I don't know that. Uh so that's kind of a goofy area. Public works takes care of part of it. Parks takes care of the other part. And I think that's one of those areas that collectively we just kind of tackle. Yeah. It's pretty grown in with maintenance. Yeah. Or with with plantings. Yeah. The one that initiated the lifting up of the tree so there wasn't because there was a lot of like tucking in of people that you didn't want there. And now it's all lifted up so it's more visible. That was us. Yeah. I'm glad it's done because Yeah. Open up sight lines a little bit. When it's blooming down there, it's gorgeous pulling in. It's really It's really cool. Yeah. It's great colors. I don't know if you saw any picture director before what it looked like before Gateway the entrance to Breton was drastically changed when Gateway was put in drastically changed. Okay. The city came in they came in the city came in and Welcome to the shipyard city. They bought a lot of homes. Okay. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. It's nice. Yeah. And I think there's there's a a I mean I think it's great having the green space there, but whether it's a parks or a public works. Yeah. It's kind of one of those that it's not suitable park. Yeah. I mean Yeah. You guys are having usable. There's not parking. Yeah. Yeah. You're trailering over and mowing down there. Yep. Can't

plan for that. Oh. Oh. People are hitting 50 miles an hour to town. Sure. You know. Any other commissioners have any questions, comments on Gateway? I guess I would I would just comment that while it's not a park, kind of like what you said is Ben is that it uh provides so much value to just people experiencing the green space, open green space even from their cars. I mean, just we're seeing that now with Warren Avenue Park. So many people get to benefit from the park without even getting out of their car to seeing it, you know, that nice park on the corner. Now, when you're in this park, it's a different story. Um, you know, I don't know if we've talked about the the the restroom with you guys yet, but um, yeah, it's I think that because we have so few trails as well, it provides a space to to do that. I mean, maybe it's not the most ideal location, but you know, you you have the space that you could walk a long distance on. So, it's passive. You can hang out, read a book. Yeah. Yeah. So, the um kind of what we've discovered in in trying to determine like why why does parks maintain this versus streets is that anything that's irrigated from what I can tell parks maintains because it's going to be green. it's going to need to be mowed once once a week and that's not the type of maintenance that streets typically does. So that's why it falls on on parks and um ch the challenge is we just have so much inventory a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Okay, moving along. Burwell Streetscape.

This one's pretty straightforward. Again, an area that parks uh to to Colette's point, parks normally wouldn't maintain, but there's irrigation there. Um and it's really just um lined with uh planters and street trees. Um no comments on the off of the existing plan. Um and then again, just for the draft update, potential of inability to maintain streetscape um with workforce and priorities for this type of item. Um, no improvement recommendations just because there's really, you know, it's just um, landscaping that was developed as part of the street. It does look nice. Yeah. Okay. And then the Clare Avenue cutoff. Yeah. Um on the top section um there was noted to remove planter and replace the lawn replace with lawn in southeast corner and if my notes correct Colette that was completed. Yeah, actually I think a car ran into it so it had to be removed. Yeah, it was completed. Problem solved. One way to fund it. Yeah, I noticed that it was gone today. Oh, that re that recent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Oh, okay. So, there's no more I was That always bothers me. And you've got the barricades that have been those barricades have been there since I moved here in October. Yeah. Oh, good. Um and then again, just the added inability to maintain um or struggle to maintain. And then house corner is where our video cut off.

Um no comments on the top. Um for the update, we added that there's a bench and a flag pole. Um again, um concerned with maintaining streetscapes. Um this is another one um that's noted on the 2020 but I think um you know we were talking um at the whole systemwide uh with the naval pieces that there's got to be a way that we and with the requirement of volunteerism that there's got to be a way that we can find create some long-term partnerships that really focuses on those pieces um those naval pieces pieces that are in the community and that being really kind of a consistent project that as they need to be repainted or maintained that that's something um that can be a a just kind of bulked together. Um I love people I love and people love seeing all those pieces in the community and I'd hate to see them deteriorate. a lot of need to fulfill their volunteer kind of say, "Hey, yeah, and we get a they help out a lot with the cemetery." Um, but yeah, this is one too I think would be great to kind of task them on because then it would be something that Yeah. Yeah. So, and the benefit of removing the perimeter grubs takes pruning time. Is that right? Oh my gosh. So we could turn it into mowing it. Yeah. Concept. Yeah. Yeah. Letter pick up. It's also just gets easier if you get entangled in this. Yeah. Trees get took it out.

Remember that? I remember when they moved those guns from that's been a minute. I played on Do you know if that area is all got water too? Uh just natural. No, I think that there is some a little bit of water there. It's not a full on system. Yeah, full. Okay. Any other comments or questions from me? Okay. Pacific Avenue Streetscape under the 2020 improvement recommendations. Um remove all unused freestanding pots. Um they're no longer there. Um so that's been completed. Um and then under the draft update, um we wanted to note as an inventory that there's storm water bulbouts. Um so areas that are uh land maintained for landscaping where um they're utilized for storm water um uh retainage and then outlets in the tree wells. We wanted to make sure that we noted that that there's outlets in those locations um just because that's something that's going to have to be maintained. Um management concerns obviously the same concern moving forward with maintenance, regular maintenance, and then broken on the very bottom there. The new uh one of the new ones that we added was broken outlets due to vandalism. Um, so improvement recommendations. Um, this is where we thought this might be a good area too that we could partner

with Downtown Business Association for funding and potential management. Um, another funding potential would be to look at whether the the storm water bulbouts could qualify for storm water utility fund dollars uh to help for maintenance and um then evaluate future need for outlets um was was part of our discussion too because I think a fair amount of the outlets are no longer working. Um, but if they were working, would they get utilized or are they no longer necessary? And are they more of a hazard to have outlets there? You would have to keep them locked, though. Well, yeah. I mean, keeping them locked. But they break people, they break locks. If they want to charge their phone, they'll they'll break into anything. Um, but yeah. Um, typically you would have, especially for weather too, you'd have some sort of cover on them. I remember when we were on patrol with the police one time they thought I was coming in Manette just above the boat shed and there was a van that we're supposed to check and there's frequently people that park along there and just plug their RVs and stuff. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Any other questions got any questions or comments for Sic? Looks good. So on the bottom corner there um is an addition um it's an area that we maintain that we haven't necessarily noted um as an area that in with Bachmann, but no no. Yeah, it's it's up above it. So, so we decided to kind of make it a separate piece. Um, there's two benches, a table, irrigation there. So, we mow it. Um, no improvement recommendations. Uh, but

just thought that having it separated from from Bachmann would be would be good because it is a separate usable space. It's kind of nice overlook. It's a Yeah, it's a pretty view. Yeah. All right. Add to the inventory. Yes, why not? Um, and this is these are the same areas that if we want to have further discussion uh related to whether we feel that an area like Charleston and KO um should be on here. Um it's an area that we maintain the same way that we do some of these other streetscapes. Um that's something that we can definitely um entertain and look at creating a additional I think in the past why uh like 11th and minute um hasn't been included and call hasn't been included is because it's not our our level of maintenance is not there year round and it's really just From from my understanding, if the if the pots are being maintained by businesses, it's it's watering the the baskets. Yeah. So, at at Charleston and Callow, it's really just the pots and baskets. Yeah. So, it's seasonal. Okay. And so, the same thing with Manette, so 11th Street, Manette, right? And I we do have a flower program section in the pros plan where we talk about where where our pots are. And I think maybe um I don't know. I I I think if it's included maybe it's we reference that section. Okay. Yeah, that I'll make a note so then I know to look at that. Okay. That's a good point.

Okay. Um, so Washington Avenue, we had we haven't covered that one yet, right? Nope. We're moving to that. Okay. Yep. Um, no nothing to note removing or anything from the the 2020. Um, as far as the update we added as inventory planters and outlets and tree wells. Um so similar to the last section um in comments as well maintaining a potential inability to maintain um consider partnering with the downtown business association for funding and management of that area. But otherwise it's just it is what it is there. Yeah. Would you need anything from the commission in order to put like uh Charleston um you know on on here that I mean um looking at it as I think when we you know adding it to the inventory and you know giving concerns and if it's listed if it it's listed as part of the flower program it seems like it's it's addressed there unless I don't know if he was really asking for something else. Um I mean I his his request um my guess would be is to further try to legitimize that area as usable recreational event space and that's reason for bringing this. Yeah, I'm I'm guessing um I didn't know he was going to bring that but I'm sure he's looking for just general support too. So, if someone from the city or council reached out to you, you'd have knowledge that they're looking for um trying to create a festival district over there. But, I don't know. That would be my thought

is if it's in the flower program and that's what we do and it's different than what everything else is. That's really all you guys are doing down there. Watering. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's even trees. The trees are in pots. Yeah. Um yeah, we might have to look at that again. Yeah, just to make sure that um but again more a seasonal thing here. Okay. I don't know. We're open open to thoughts. Okay. We'll share a department. Is it very Is it video time? Let's do it. I can't remember. But there's a little bit of that. Yeah, this was an interesting one. When we were looking at it, it's kind of like how do you how do you say everything? Just list every single thing. Hey Tim, can you share? I forgot to tell you. You haven't been sharing the video screen. Oh, so it says I'm sharing right now. So, do you not see Sheridan Park Community Center? I mean, I can see it. I can No, I can't see it on the the screen that I'm seeing. What are you seeing? I'm seeing the the folder screen. The May 2025 PNR commission. Oh, that's weird. Are you able to see it? I'm seeing the same thing you're seeing. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But Ken, we're gonna have to go back to January and do this all over again. I don't live I live right off of Pine Road. I'll be right down.

Well, shoot. Okay. So, when I hit share, share that. Yeah. So, let me know what you're seeing here. Okay. Now, I'm seeing the video. Now, we can see it. Yeah. Okay, party on again. This is Colette with four coffees. Oh, yeah. Had to capture that nice paint there. Take those. Well, even just walking in that front area, you're just kind of like there's no like funue. I was like, "What was the purpose of the placement of everything?" Oh, he's he's in here again. All right. Wow. This is where 100 years of a hundred years of chairs go to die. We literally have like three sets of chairs and tables over the years. The parks guys have started or this winter started removing a lot of stuff and they do actively use the shop area.

High school. Yeah. Little basketball break. Yeah. We passed it. Yeah. Storage stuff was Yeah. All the old stuff. Yeah. And I kind of want to like slowly go through some of these. Um, so simple things that we talked about with like the front landscaping area was even just removing some of these planters, opening things up, relocating some benches. Um, so then it could, you know, who knows, maybe we could do like a yoga outdoor yoga class out there or something. Um, but have it make more sense. Um, yeah, this space. Um, I mean like I couldn't tell you who knows when the last time that bench was used sitting right there, but at least try to make the the entrance more inviting. Um, at least as long as you know the time is that we're here. Um, one item that you'll see on there, I don't know if I've got it's probably too quick where Scott is, but looking underneath the basketball hoop on the far side. Um it's sort of comical that we have these very thin Yeah. um safety boards. I mean, if you're if you're running to chew a layup and get pushed out of bounds or something, I mean, the likelihood you're going to hit a protective pad is very minimal. So, we even added things like, you know, protective padding on ends. The reason why those doors during basketball are left open, Scott said, is because he does he'd rather see someone run into the hallway than run into a door. Uh just because there's no padding there on the end. So, um it was really interesting to get like his perspective

um since he's been in the building for for a long time and um actively involved and just kind of sees these things. But again, nothing's really been kind of done because we've had other priorities. So, um, this this this is Sin's overflow storage. All right. Sin's a great person, but Sin liked to keep a lot of things. And so, there's trophies. There's a lot of trophies in there. Uh, there's really old ski poles and random stuff. But we'll you'll see on one of our proposals here is to honestly just remove this building. I'm thinking garage sale. Yeah. Thinking free. Yeah. There might be there might be some things people might find of value that if we garage sale it then we don't have to haul it. I mean that's that's a good point there. Um I don't really want to go through the basement again. Okay. Okay. Are you guys back to the main screen? Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. And so are you seeing the pros inventory when I pull that page up? Now I am. Yeah. Okay. So that was working. Okay. So going through Sheridan. Um I'll go slowly. um to just kind of walk through it. There's a lot of things that we've done. Good. Um some consolidation um on the upper part. Um the art room, we removed that. Um it's not very spec real specific. It's more of just a regular, you know, classroom area that we have available. Uh management issues.

Um the budget constraints staffing for weekend operation I removed because I just feel like this is kind of a perceived issue. My viewpoint is is if we can create revenue by bringing rentals in then then when we budget annually, we take that into account and we have staffing to cover it. Um not that we don't do weekend rentals because we don't have staff. That doesn't work for me. Um, and so trying to change some of that mentality of things that were changed even 1015 years ago that we've just stuck with because that's what we were told then. Um, so I have sat with the mayor and talk to him about if we can justify adding part-time positions or adding um expenses as long as there's revenue that at a minimum matches that then he's okay with us doing that. So um so that's why I wanted to remove that one. um improvement recommendations um improve ADA access is is kind of amended um down below. Same thing with develop interior signage. Oh, develop interior signage plan was removed because that was um created um within each of the rooms. Um replace doors was amended down below. Um, we made it more um specific to exterior building doors um because there's a lot of doors in this building. Um, install wireless internet access activity areas and and meeting rooms. that was amended um to state. Let's see where's that range to just to say improve Wi-Fi to activity

areas and meeting rooms. Um paint interior, we amended to say interior and exterior for paint. uh lighting upgrades. Um we noted uh to focus on the exterior lighting or both lighting. Um but we really feel that like the exterior safety lighting needs to be drastically improved um because it's very dull when it's at night here. Um on the bottom section uh we added as inventory basement storage uh management concerns um just diverted organization of basement storage. So we've started working on that but it's going to be a long process to um clear a lot of that stuff out. Um, another management concern we added was ability to bring in rental due to outdated facility, lack of HVAC, and poor Wi-Fi. Um, so when people are looking whether it's meeting space or um if someone wanted to utilize like this room for a birthday party in the summer, um the need for um HVAC would be extremely important. Improvement recommendations. Um let's see. I'm looking at ones that I haven't mentioned yet. Uh installing the court mats underneath hoops. Um so the improve ADA access, the amendment was to include parking. Um so we've looked at some options of um some additional um accessibility where that pull out is that looks like it's meant for a bus. Yeah. uh that's just used for parking that we would convert that to accessible parking and create um just a ramp off of there and then to be have two designated stalls there. We were looking at the front parking

originally um but we've got a drain there that's massive that just really there is a huge causes an issue with trying with trying to um figure out how to address it there and it's just a lot easier to do it on the street. Um, so that's what we would look at doing there. Um, looking at updating the mural on the backside here. Um, removing that exterior storage after the garage sale. And maybe the garage sale is just a you you see it, you like it, you take it. There you go. No questions asked. Good. No returns. If you put stuff on the sidewalk and you put a price on it, people will steal it. Uh, and then the last bullet, uh, consider long-term viability of the building. Um, and so looking at some of these management or the improvement recommendations, uh, one thing we want to just be conscious of is is setting priorities um, and getting those first, the ones that make sense that are are immediate needs for us. Um, if it's something that could be 5 10 years down the road that could wait um, to not address those at this point. Um, you know, we don't know where we'll end up in the future. The best use of this site might be for multifamily housing. Um, not the building necessarily. Um, but the Wise looking at relocating the city owns the property the Wise on. Uh, that could potentially be a rec center combined with a senior center at that site. So, there's options out there that uh that we could be um that could be could be potential for us down the road. Um, but

we obviously need to make sure that this facility works for us in the meantime. We have had it for very long time since the 40s. Uh, I got two improvement recommendations that I would like to throw out there. A new scoreboard for the gym. That one is extremely outdated. Nothing fancy, but just love to see a new basic one in there. And then I'd like to see anything in particular you're looking into for for work? just uh updated digital. Just an updated one digitally. Uh yeah, like that one's like it's like bulbs. It's like light bulbs. I feel they're like old school bulbs. Mhm. Um yeah, nothing fancy. Just like a home and away and score and quarter really, you know. Um and then the Clare Avenue side has that that uh an old park sign. I'd love to see an updated sign on that Clare Avenue side or just remove it. I mean, we have this newer, you know, the nice one out front here, the newer one when Lebo got done, but I don't just match uh, you know, match the rest of our inventory with the signs. That was all I got. Okay. Any commissioners have anything? No. Sharon Park, I Yeah, different approach. I would take all all the bullets but the last one and delete them. Consider we were almost there. Tear down. honestly like I I I do I think you know and I think we really seriously ought to consider floating a park spot to get rid of the senior center this this building. I mean they're not they're not functional buildings and you're going to spend a ton of money and you're still going to have a building that's going to fall down during the next big earthquake, you know. And so that's my concern. you know, it's either consider long-term viability or pray for an earthquake when nobody's here, you know, for demo. Um

because man, this facility, I just don't want to put any money into it other than keeping the lights, you know, I mean, it's a different perspective than No, I No, I agree. Um, but I think we could do so much more if we can combine with the senior center. And like I said, the YMCA thing is a definitely something to consider, but but we I don't know what's the process for us getting a parks bond. I mean, need to have I was just going to ask that. I don't know. Is that a city council thing or have to re like they recommend it? Like how I don't But we'd have to have some dollar numbers. Yeah, we would have to have we would have to have actor a plan in Yeah, a plan in place. I mean, it' be a year or two to develop a plan. But maybe that's what should be on here is, you know, a plan for replacement instead of Well, that's the long-term viability. I guess that's what I'd like replacement of this. It's it's going to fall down at some point, you know, whether we fix up the sport or not. I I remember a proposal. This could have been 20 years ago. It was like replacing this building and they were going to do like a walkway over to the to the other buildings over here and like that was going to be the senior center. This could have been 20 30 years ago though that I don't think it ever went anywhere. Yeah. If there was a study done we probably have it. Yeah. No, I appreciate that comment. Um, yeah, I think I think the big thing um, Ben, with with floating a a bond would be is how what what's the revenue from the bond coming? What type of bond is it? Yeah. Be a tax supported. Yeah. But there's Yeah. Is would it is it something that would be fully supported

by property tax or is there a separate revenue source the city's receiving such as like ELTAC or something just to name one or if we created one you know if there's a if there was something else that was created that was utilized as the revenue for that bond. Yeah. Um, but I'd like to see some planning for that. Anyway, yeah, part of our going forward here with And that's probably something we should address in the 20-year capital. Yeah, it's Yeah, that Yeah, that was included in the 20-year capital in the last update was a forgot how it was worded, but basically a building assessment for both the senior center and Sheran and looking at a long-term plan to combine them. And I think something we can do too within this plan too is the commission can decide on priorities. Yeah. as well is identify in the 2026 plan what are the top what is the top priority or what are the top three or five priorities and that can definitely be one of them. Well, I think that'd be a big a big deal. I mean it's you know the last new thing got built was the Marvin which was great and that took a lot of effort but big big asset for the west side. Yeah. Did the city fund some of it? I don't know. I don't know if it's the city funding that at all. It might not have been. Look, it got done. That's the thing, right? You know, it's like, wow. Okay. You ready to move on? Yep. Go to the senior center. Let's do it. See, did I close that window I needed? I remember come out of his pocket at the last minute. I think you got to donate like a million dollars. Make it happen. Yeah.

Chicken feed for Oh, something like that. Okay. So, on the note of Sheridan Park Community Center, we got backtoback the senior center. Yeah. Can you guys see the video? Colette. Whoops. I was muted. Um, I'm seeing the folder, not the video. Sorry. Okay, this is okay. Don't Don't say it like it's your fault. I think I figured out how to I just need I think I need to delete the media player to tell me if you're seeing the senior center. Not seeing it. still seeing the folder. Yeah. So weird. Okay. Media player. Yep. Yep. Okay. Have any of you gone into the senior center during the day? Man, this place is hopping. And there's some massive pool sharks in there, too. I thought this was cool there. So, this is the the pingpong instructor. Uh, but they've created these cardboard foldable uh to keep the balls separated from the different playing areas. smart. But yeah, the amount of the way these spaces get turned over. Um,

so we need to sell more quilts. Yeah, really. Just every corner is utilized except the Brian and I did some ballet in there. There you go. That's pretty good. Very very small and that's sort of kitchen slash custodial which is all done inhouse. I mean the amount of volunteers that are utilized to maintain this building and the programs is is crazy. So, we have a corner there that slopes. Um, and you can see it in here where it's separated. I guess I should point up there. Sums is a big help for this for a lot of the projects that go on in that building. Um, it's been a great facility. Again, something that's been well utilized. It's constantly busy, but it's bursting at the seams. Um, and is needing more space and safer space. Um, yeah, this whole parking lot's built on a slope. And um there isn't a time that I'm there that I don't see an access bus dropping somebody off cuz that's the other thing I'd love to talk with transit about is there's got to be a more a least a less expensive way for them to um shuttle people there with the amount of trips that they're making to the senior center. It's great that they're providing that for us, but um are they pulling them right up front there? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're in an access bus and they're dropping them off at a on a slope like this. I

mean, the steepest part of the parking lot. Um Yeah. So, this is another good one, the the senior center. You know, what what can we do or what I mean, ultimately, it's again, it's one of those that we should we should be looking at future planning on this one. Sure. Um so, I'll just kind of run through the comments we have first. um management issues on the upper section. Um just noted that inadequate parking is there, but we modified that to say inadequate sloped parking. Um just to make sure it's known that it's not a a flat grade there. Um on the bottom section, Colette, I kind of wanted to I meant to run this by you ahead of time. Uh but under inventory, we have a couple bullets that we didn't um let's see, we added stage. Um but we didn't note small meeting rooms and staff offices on the bottom section on the 20. Yeah, I see that there's a blank bullet. So maybe we started to and then Okay. So what? Yeah, we might. It just might have been um small meeting rooms and staff offices. I'm not sure what the small meeting rooms meant um if that was referring to the dance room, but I don't think there's really any space for small meetings. Yeah, I don't know what that would have or maybe Yeah, but maybe staff maybe the bullet is just meant for staff offices then. Okay. I tried to rent a space there and they said that there was no room to rent. Did you? Yeah. Okay. Is the net that's on the outside of that building still there? I know that net

was there in order to protect it. We had a we had a back stop at that lower part of the net. I feel like that net got removed. Um are you talking about against where this building is? That's a that's pretty tall. Oh, really? on the uh still there then? Huh? Well, not against the building along the soccer field. It was It's on It's in the picture. You can see the net in in the picture. It was there to like protect it from balls. It's not there now. I thought it got I thought it got taken down. I don't think I've ever seen that. I think that got all removed when the net got redone. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll need to Yeah. just pick. Yeah. Okay. And then management concerns. We added added substandard HVAC. Um there's been some modifications of that building over time and the HVAC system was never really modified to meet those needs. So you've got small vents trying to uh work hard to help out larger areas and it's just it's just insufficient. They've recently added some fans which have helped um at least circulate air, but um too many bodies generate heat. Yeah, too many bodies. Um um added substandard kitchen. The kitchen does look nice, but I also come from I've I've run um the past 25 years senior nutrition programs, and it's something I'd love to be able to see. So on Thursdays and Fridays we do have we partner with Meals on Wheels to bring meals in. But there's enough um popularity of this building that I think could warrant us to have our own program, our own in-house lunch program. and whether it's three days a week um or

more um I just feel like it's something that would be extremely useful and utilized cuz the days that we do have meals they're they're more special event type stuff but they're very busy um and they're they sell out all the spots for those. So, I just think with the amount of flow and traffic that we have, um, you know, this the senior center has a lot of great things going for it. Usually with the senior nutrition program, you build programs around it, so then people stick around and it's for socialization, but a lot of that's already happening. But I think I just think if we have a meal a regular meal program there, that would be something that would be extremely useful and helpful. Um, but we can't really do it. I mean, we can we can prepare smaller meals. Um, and and maybe we'll try to get figure out when coming up. I'd love to have you guys be guests and and be able to come and interact and see. Um, and maybe they'll start calling you by name when I like when I walk in now. But yeah, it's just just to yeah, just yeah, just to see be able to see um see the space and the potential that we could create. Um so improvement recommendations obviously improve HVAC and we need to replace the water heater. Um that's something that's that's um been needed. And then again we do have listed there evaluate feasibility and replace of a replacement facility uh to serve an increased need because I don't see um the popularity of it decreasing and and really as far as um our pricing structure goes. We probably need to look at a little bit of a different rate for resident versus non-resident. We do serve a lot of non-residents um in this facility which is great. Um,

but we could make a little make a little bit off of them. Mr. Z, any questions or comments on little senior center? And I like where you add I see you add building date info in there. I always like that, too. Oh, yeah. I'd be interested to Oh, yeah. That building could have been built in the 40s 50. Yeah. This is That's what I was just looking at. When was it built? Yeah, because it was a school at one point. But um yeah, and these are all things that would that'll be great for our asset management system. We got some really fun ones we're doing right in a row. Okay, so I've got it fig. So, I doubt it. But are you seeing Glenn Jarstead? Sorry. No, I'm not seeing it. Okay, just pretend. It's on the ZM there down there. That's what you were playing off of. Um, let's see. No, because I'm I should be able to go to share again and then I should be able to click on the particular one, but it's not. It was that media player one. Yeah, because the media is not there now because I just deleted it. And so now it'll probably play it. I don't remember having to do this or I don't know how I figured out before. It's now do the stop share now and then go back into Oh, and then hit the media from

there. Yeah, there we go. Okay, now it popped up ZM right there. Now it's up. Okay, there's September. There's the tank. Ryan, that that piece I see right there was uh was that original? Do you think that was original when the pool was put in? Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So, this is everything that was replaced. Wow. Um that's a big piece. That's a job. Yeah. Yeah. You see this other parts are Yeah. starting to fail. I mean, shoot. It's almost 15 years old. Brian's saying a lot of smart things right there. Yeah. Yeah. This is what amazes me. Um that they're using like garden hoses. It was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. They're doing some lighting upgrades and when the pool was closed, um, they took the opportunity to basically kind of do their semiannual shutdown and get some stuff taken care of. Yeah. Oh, no. There's some roof leaking and as we repair the leak just moves to somewhere else. 1979.

And this is something too that is the wise looking at expanding or or building elsewhere. um you know meeting the community's pool need is something that we'll obviously be in conversations with and whether this facility continues and you know if we did go for a like a parks bond um even to renovate um and improve this facility if this is the direction we'd want to go uh we'd want to make sure we know you know obviously what the Y is doing and it's a huge asset to the Y obviously um because they can charge for a pool. They're trying to see if there's enough interest to build a facility in Pal or North, right? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. North. Yeah. Yeah. So, one thing that I see real quick is in the description it says uh it talks about the um one free pass a quarter. That is now four. So, I think you could Oh, sorry. It's a month. It's a Oh, it's a monthly thing. It's a month. Okay. So, it's like 12. So say, however you want to word that. Yeah. Yeah. I thought we had looked at that or we at least discussed it because Yeah, it's changed. It used updated it in the Yeah, we updated it in the version I'm looking at right now under improvement recommendation or increased resident awareness. The pool could be used monthly at no cost. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I think he's saying within the paragraph. Yeah, within the description it just says one free pass. Oh, I see. I see. That needs to be updated. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, but you are right. It is four per quarter. Yeah, four a quarter. Yeah. Or monthly. Yeah. Or 12 a year. Sure. There you go. Whichever you choose. Whichever.

Yeah. Whichever you choose to use. You get three You get three choices. Yeah. How would you like it broken out? Okay. Uh, so I had no um notes on the top section. Um, the bottom section added under management concerns aging deteriorating building circuit 1979. Improvement recommendations evaluate long-term viability of aquatic facility. Um, and I just added following facility assessment. So, we'll receive that uh facility assessment this year. Hopefully, we'll get that taken care of and that'll help us at least figure out what's what are our most immediate needs and and what are potential costs long-term investments needed for the pool. Um, did anything need to get repaired on the pool when it was drained? The pool itself generator will take advantage of it and get some sort of deep cleaning in as well. They they they reg they do that as part of their maintenance. Great. Yeah. Great. Mr. Got any questions or comments on Glen Charstead? 79 is a new pool to me by the way. 1942 and 69 were the pools that I had. And one was updated, the mechanical system was updated in the early 90s using land and water conservation fund dollars which then Wow. which restricted that facility to be a pool in perpetuity. Yeah. The 1942 building and unless you converted its use, which meant you had to think if you could tie this to firefighting water, you might Exactly. firefight fire reservoir

East Park Reservoir. Okay, so that takes us to the last three items which um for good behavior we'll do next month. Y uh we were hoping to um be able to take care of them um prior to the meeting, but we're going to go out this Thursday. Um so these will be carryovers till next month. Uh, Ivy Green Cemetery, Jarstead Park, and then Gold Mountain Golf Course. Um, we're we're a little bit off our regular our our planned schedule, but plans are always great in January when you first make them. Sure. And then you just kind of adjust and modify as you go forward. I don't think we are in any critical stage of not being able to get some things completed. Um, so going can you see the schedule, Colette? Lost. No, I cannot see. Just see the folder again. Yeah. Okay. So, maybe let's see. I lost my mouse and couldn't find it. Which one are you seeing? Media said on the left. Yeah, that's what I was on. Are you seeing my folder? Not now. I don't I don't think you're sharing a screen. Okay. Okay. Now I can see the schedule. Okay. Um, so this is what we had originally looked at. So we've taken care of regional community parks, neighborhood parks, natural areas, plaza, streetscapes, greenways. Um, this month we were to talk about survey results, which we can get into a little bit. Um and then next month goals and objectives, but we'll we'll cover a little bit more of surve the survey

results is something we'll um we need to kind of analyze a little bit more to kind of summarize some things for you. I did print off the 50 pages in case you didn't want to do that at home. Um or look through it. Um, I'm also taking um Survey Monkey doesn't do a great job of summarizing comments uh because there's a number of questions that have comments. So, I'm just doing that manually on the side. Um, and so I'll plan to get that to you this next month. Um, but you can see I think in here that notes um especially where there's um requests for comments, it'll tell you how many comments are in there. um which there's quite a few uh which is great. Um and again their comments anywhere from middle school kids uh we went and talked to classes to um you'll you'll definitely tell who um are members of our senior center because they're very senior center focused. Um so no it's it's been fun going through all of that. Um okay. Yeah. So, next month we'll kind of do a little bit about some survey results, but then we'll start getting into the goals and objectives after finishing these last three. Uh, so we'll kind of hit a few different things next month. And then hopefully July will kind of get back on track. Um, probably talk more about goals and objectives and the needs analysis um, in July. Sounds like a good plan. Mhm. So, I didn't know if anybody had had a chance to take a look at this um and wanted to talk at all about it. Um Brian, did you have a chance to kind of look through some things? There's some good information here. Haven't fully digested it all yet, but yeah, there is some good feedback.

I think I said we had 900 responses. Yeah. Yeah. We had to kind of force to push it to 900. I found out there was a couple staff members in the office that hadn't filled one out, but not naming name. Won't name names. You know, I really like question two. That was the first one I got when you asked me to take a look at it. I was dirty on question two. I'm like, I like Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it could be totally different than that. It could have been 60% of people feel that parks and recck system is important or less than 50%. But to have at least basically 97% of the people that filled this out, which sometimes the people that like to fill out surveys tend to be more critical of government and uh Oh, that was that's a great one to see. It just shows importance here. Yeah. I think one thing that um I guess it shock it was surprising me a little bit but didn't shock me that I mean I think there was a lot of um comments related to trail systems. So people valuing trails uh which is good and natural areas. So, unless any other commissioners have any specific questions on the results, I know we'll talk about that again next Monday. I know another one that kind of jumped out was just free access to places to be able to just go recreate, enjoy, sit down in the green space, read a book, have Yeah. Do whatever. I saw a lot of free in there too or low cost things like that. That's understandable. Yeah.

Okay. Well, let's move into Commissioner B item. Commissioner Riley, we'll start with you. Got anything for us? Kim, you doing? All right. We'll see you next month, buddy. We'll go back to him. Commissioner Wagman. I'm good. All right. I don't have anything else. I got two things. One's a little short tree story. We got a free short tree from Peninsula Subaru. They were giving them away as our Earth Day event. All right. We went and my son lives just off Trenton by Silvin near LA State Park. So, we picked it up and it's like it was only this big, you know? So, we planted in his front yard, which is just solid flat grass. says, "I'll just be culture." And we went, you know, we bought a water selfwatering bag. So, we were gone over at our cabin. We come back and apparently the deer love black tupelo trees. There's like three leaves left on the a lot of deer in that area. Oh. So, we said, "Okay, maybe we should go buy some fence posts and do that." And we're going and some bucks fence that tree. Yeah. For this pretty tree. And then finally we said, you know, we said that's going to look bad. So we went out and bought a 6 and 1/2t tree and planted that. And now the deer are just eating the lower leaves. Good job. The other thing I have is and I I I think it's probably in a way of an apology. Um, I talked about doing some cherry trees down in Evergreen Park and I thought I brought it up during the pros discussion. I kind of thought we

had some like this might be a good idea and I talked to somebody from Breton Rotary about it and they were just like jumped all over it. They thought it was a great idea and and I said, "Well, I just want to make sure the parks department's on board." And I kind of got a timeout thing, which is probably appropriate. So, they um I apologize for getting the card out in front of the horse for you guys, but um at least they said we're going to set up a meeting and go down and and walk the space. I still think it's a great idea and they were super enthusiastic about it and um but I know there's some concerns, too. So, I'm anxious that when we guys have time to meet down there to to walk the space and talk about it. So, so I do apologize for getting ahead of that. Commissioner Riley, you there? All good. Got anything, bud? Come back. There you go. Sorry, I was trying to come on mute. No, nothing. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, meeting adjourned. Have a good night. Bye. Thank you.