Board of Aldermen - Regular Meeting

This is when I live on Sapper Parkway. So pulled on Sapper Parkway, realized that there were sticks, trash, all the things, right? Covering. And so I went out there and you know, I been down and I was pulling all out and this kid intentionally obviously just I mean I was soaked. I'm like I had to laugh. What else could I do? I thought I would have done the same about 10 years ago. And Kristen's laughing her ass, you know, just it was I don't think there's anybody who hasn't been in at least one, if not multiple awkward situations. You just can't help it. It's part of life. Chief, it really took you two weeks to get your pathology report back. That's going to drive me crazy. It did too. It took Carolyn that long, too. It did not take It did at least two weeks. I think she called after 2 weeks. It only took me a few days. They told me they're like, "Oh, well, um, if you don't hear anything in 2 weeks, go to our portal." Did they tell you that? I'm like, I No, I want to hear a voice. You're cutting things off my nose. Like, I want to know what's going on. They're really good about expecting payment, by the way. By the way, he said you needed to push one button and that's it. Yep. And it didn't crash, too. portals are fun. We've got one for our kids and it's like it says stop. There's a lot of stuff you want street on the south side of 14th Street that flag pole is broken. There's a in all this wind. Um I'm sure you know that the lights at 19th Street are flashing. Um yeah, all kinds of stuff. It's been amazing. Oh, we ain't

got nothing here. We need to go up north. I came through Bethany, came down through Hamilton down here. I mean, there's so much water on the street that it, it'll stop a car. It hailed here pretty good. It came down sheets up there.

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call the meeting to order. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Sundy is not here this evening. She's at a continu continuing education conference. Sheila, have you had a chance to take role? I have. Everyone is present. You have a quorum. We have two public hearings uh scheduled this evening and uh one personal appearance. The first item this evening is a public hearing to receive comments on proposed text amendment to the code of ordinances that would allow backyard chickens, specifically hens on a single family residential lot. If you wish to speak for or against the proposed text amendment change, I'll have you come forward to the podium. State your name and address for the record. The floor is open for public comment and public input. Good evening. Hi, my name is Emily Porter. Our address is 21102 Foxtail Drive. Um, we just recently moved here, so I'm kind of learning all about the regulations and rules regarding chickens. So, that's why I'm here to talk. Um, we specifically chose a larger lot that we could have a few chickens. We have little kids in our family, so I think it would just be a good little learning opportunity for them um to have that kind of pet. Um I think it's a reasonable request to allow backyard chickens with certain limitations as outlined in the zoning and planning commission meeting last week. Um at least the things that I heard I thought were great. Um regarding like four to six and certain law sizes, I think that's great. Um any responsible pet owners task to take care of their pets

appropriately, which includes keeping coops clean. Um, I know there was a concern in the planning and zoning meeting about dogs barking at the chickens and not that being a problem, but our home backs up to the walking trail. So, I can say at least for me personally, dogs are barking all the time anyways. Um, I think being able to utilize your property without worrying about a neighboring pet would be great cuz it's not a pet. Um, it also has been said that people are already keeping chickens within city limits. I don't know about that. Again, we're new. Um, but for the zoning and planning meeting last week, there was apparently one complaint about chickens in the city. Um, but it didn't include that the chickens were a nuisance. It just said that there were chickens. So, I think that that's pretty telling that if there's already chickens here, not great cuz they're not following the rules. But, um, if there's not a big nuisance with them already, then I think that's a great green light to just go ahead and let other people do that as well. Um, that's all. Thank you for your consideration and I hope to see a change in the current regulations. Great. Thank you for uh taking the time to come and share your thoughts with your elected officials. Thank you. Appreciate it. Have a good evening. Do we have anybody online that Nobody online, but I wanted to let you let the board know that we received emails. Staff received three emails in support of chickens and made copies for ideas. Great. All right. I see nobody else move. I will close the floor for public comment and input. Next item is a public works week proclamation. Sheila, if you could read the proposed proclamation, then it would be my honor to present it to uh our public works director, Shelley Daniel, and our city engineer, Lauren Snder. A proclamation recognizing National Public Works Week May 18th through 24th, 2025 in Carne, Missouri. Whereas the city of Carney's public works team plays a vital role in providing infrastructure and services essential to creating

sustainable resilient communities and ensuring public health, safety, and a high quality of life for residents and visitors alike. And whereas the dedicated employees of the city's public works department exemplify integrity, professionalism, and commitment, often working behind the scenes, around the clock, and in all weather conditions to ensure that residents and visitors can travel safely and efficiently by car, bicycle, and foot throughout Carney. Deliver safe, reliable, and continuous drinking water. and protect water quality and public health by treating the city's wastewater before safely returning it to the environment. And whereas these essential services depend on the expertise and dedication of our public works team who are responsible for building, maintaining, and improving our city's transportation, water supply, water treatment, and solid waste systems that are essential for our citizens. And whereas the theme for 2025 National Public Works Week, advancing quality of life for all, emphasizes the vital role public works staff play in building healthier, more vibrant, and resilient communities. And this year marks the 65th annual observance of National Public Works Week sponsored by the American Public Works Association. Now therefore, I, Randy Pogue, mayor, do hereby proclaim the week of May 18th through 24th, 2025 as National Public Works Week in the city of Carney. I encourage all residents to recognize and appreciate the invaluable contributions of our public works professionals who work tirelessly to protect our health, ensure our safety, and advance the quality of life in Carney. Thank you very much. If I could have Shel and Lauren meet myself and the board over here. I'll officially present you the original proclamation and we'll get a photo opportunity. But what a cool theme for

for this year's week. Um advancing quality of life for everybody. So I think our public's works team uh do just that and uh excited to show you guys some appreciation. memo. Hi. Thank you. Exactly. Next item on the agenda this evening is our open public comments. Are there any residents that live inside the city limits of Carney that would wish to address your board this evening? Move on to the next item on the agenda, the consent agenda. Does the board have any items of discussion or questions on the consent agenda this evening? Seeing none, if we can entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. So moved. Second. All in favor? I oppose. Consent agenda passes. We'll move on to ordinances. The first ordinance this evening is a motion approving bill number 26 2025 presented by Shelley Daniel, our public works director. An ordinance approving the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission cost share and surface transportation block grant agreement for the 19th Street and Route 33 intersection. Shelby, thank you, mayor and board. Um, this ordinance is to approve the MODOT funding agreement for

the 19th and Route 33 intersection improvements. The agreement includes both the cost share funds of approximately 1.25 25 million and 924,000 of the STPG funds. Um the this project is part of the larger project um of the 19th complete street um project that you guys considered at the last meeting for the funding agreement and both projects will be let in combination and treated as one project. So thank you for that report. Any questions from the board? Yeah, whenever that gets forbid it's not two separate bits. It's just all one day bid. It's one bid, but it's being designed as two projects to keep track of the different funding sources. But but will it be the same contract on both? Yeah, it just be one project, but it'll have different project numbers just to keep track of the county. Yeah, we're not two different contractors. We're always going to call the 19th Street complete street project. Perfect. There are no other questions uh from the board. If we could read the proposed ordinance on the first reading by title only, please. An ordinance approving the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission cost share and service transportation block grant agreement for the 19th Street and Route 33 intersection. Make a motion to approve on first reading. I'll second. All in favor? I oppose. Second reading by title only, please. An ordinance approving the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission cost share and surface transportation block grant agreement for the 19th Street and Route 33 intersection. Move to approve on second reading. Second. Pull the board please. Alderwoman Spencer I. Alderman King I. Alderman Leman I. Alderman Holt. I. The vote is unanimous and ordinance passes on the second reading. The next item for consideration this evening is a motion

approving bill number 27205 presented by David Pavich, our community development director, an ordinance amending chapter 205 animal regulations pertaining to the keeping of backyard hens. David? Yeah. So, uh, at a meeting a couple months ago in March, the board asked us to revisit an ordinance for back that would allow backyard chickens. Um so we pulled up an ordinance that was prepared oh about a year a year year and a half ago made some updates um and presented that to the planning and zoning commission a copy of the ordinances in your packet. So it established some criteria for the keeping of backyard chickens. Um so it would allow only hands not hens that crow no roosters basically quiet birds. Um they must be kept in a coupe at all times and there's a setback requirement from side and rear property lines. Uh so behind the house in from the the property lines. Um you've got to keep your feed, water, bedding, waste and other items associated with hens. Uh sanitary can't create a nuisance and uh not allowed to raise the hens for commercial purposes. So it's raising the eggs for you and your family to enjoy. I'm at the planning and zoning commission last week. They made u some uh comments or recommendations of the ordinance to uh add a minimum lot size of at least a quarter of an acre and then uh allow up to six hens which would be similar to a state ordinance pertaining to homeowners associations where homeowners associations can't prohibit chickens up to up to six property. So we pack it copy that ordinance for your inspiration. Alderman I think you've got a report needed. Alderman Leman our planning and zoning leaison. Do you have anything to add there? Um the only thing I'd add is

that there was a significant amount of discussion on the nuisance provision u or prevention uh part of the ordinance. Um it was brought up multiple times that we're talking about city lots um of at least a quarter of an acre and and um if your neighbor has six hands and you've got a dog that likes to bark, then uh you get turned and to the police department or animal control for a dog that continually barks, who's going to be receiving the the warning or the citation? And and it was said in public works or the uh planning and zoning commission that it would be the owner of the dog. Um and so there was a lot of discussion amongst the uh commissioners that um you know it's the dogs may or may not bark normally but with the chickens causing them to bark. Why should the owner of the uh the dog owner be pen penalized because the chickens are causing the dog to bark? Uh so there was lots of discussion on that. Uh there was some discussion. This ordinance does not uh require a permit. Uh the previous ordinance that we saw as a board had a permitting requirement on it. Um so there was there was a very lengthy discussion at the

planning zoning commission. Um and ultimately the plane zoning commission uh was split uh 42 vote to bring it to the board of alderman. So appreciate that report. Any questions from the board to staff or PNZ liaison? I do first of all um how many cats are you allowed to have? I think we allow four up to four. So, well, four or combination of dogs and cats. So, those are normal pets. So, why are we allowing six chickens? That's my question. I mean, I understand four chickens. That's coincides with our cat dog ordinance. And my other question is, you know, like I said before, I'm not really against chickens in the backyard. It's just that we got to have the right size lots and I question whether 0.25 acres is big enough lot because of like I said the dogs the different things. Um was there any talk of going to like a third of an acre or something like that a little bit bigger lots? I mean because we've got some of those over here on Prospect we've got Paddock Drive place like that. Those are great places for that. And I ain't got no problem with it all. But we get into some of these smaller ones, especially if they're in the culde-sac plots the way they are that um this could be, you know, quarter acre. You put that in as high of a culde-sac. Well, that's a little bit different than a quarter of acre of a one that's a regular lot. Um was there look at was there discussion about that thing? Absolutely there was. Okay. The pre previously when we were looking at that, the proposal would uh would have allowed chickens on acreages

of half an acre or more. And the planning and zoning commission at the time thought that that would allow it would limit so much to the number of lots that could have chickens that it was almost prohibitive. Yeah, but we got some a balance between, you know, allowing chickens on normal, you know, what size of a normalish city lot uh would would it be uh allowed to benefit more than a very limited number of people. Maybe we compromise and it's in between that half acre and the quarter acre and we go for a third of an acre. I have to say I kind of agree with that comment. That is you only have a chicken coop and a run. That's all you need. And you're talking about a space the size of a trampoline, right? Yeah. But you also got to have it so much feet from the house. So much feet from the 15t from your property. Is that the coupe or is that the run or is that the whole package? The whole package set back from the edges van run set back from the sideyard. I mean and that's just the propos you know it's a proposed ordinance the board can do some correct potential make some modifications now um it was mentioned at the planning zoning commission meeting that there should be approximately 10 square ft per uh bird and six chickens is recommended just because of if you have a family of four or more six chickens are going to be producing you enough eggs that you could have at least one or two eggs a day. If we have six chickens, then we need to have six pets because these chickens are a pet and our pet ordinance says four. That's that's my thing. Just some match with that. I mean, I'm I'm hear what you're saying. I'm just saying our pet ordinance says four. Do we change our pet ordinance to go to six? I think it's it own I mean, it's its own ordinance. I don't think chickens are really considered pets, but Well, this young lady here said that

they'd be great. I I mean, I think I think people would look at them as a pet. You know what I'm saying? Um, and I would look at him as a pedophile. So, um, I don't know. I mean, these are things I'm throwing up. I'm just I mean, it's not like everyone is going to have one. It's not going to be I bet at the beginning it would be sure a lot of people start coups and runs and then within 6 months they'll be like, "This is too much work." So, the original ordinance that came to PNZ had three chickens on it, correct? Yes. And and PNZ members thought that three was not enough for a family to have enough eggs to for a family of four. And so that's why uh it came out to six that and the state state statute says six. So I'm just thinking of our of our pet orders four, you know. I mean and it is in our animal regulations section. So, um, David, what can you tell us what the other cities around us what they Yeah, a few of them. So, um, Smithville allows up to up to 10. I think it is on any lot. They require permit and they require a setback from of 50 ft from habitable structure. know neighbors houses maybe your own uh no neighbors houses liberties one that's been around a little bit longer looks like theirs is also any single family lot up to six and they have some 10-ft setbacks and then

at least 30 ft from another residential structure Kansas City allows on any residential lot up to 15 chickens they don't identify setbacks but they require at least 100 f feet from a habit habitable structure unless the neighbors uh consent to something less than that. Um Gladstone looks like Gladstone allows on properties at least 3 acres in size or you could seek a special use permit if you're less than 3 acres in size and they allow up to 25 chickens per 20,000 square ft of lot area. So, as the lot size goes down, then the number of chickens goes down. They require at least a 30ft set back. Excelsor Springs ordinance is the oldest one. It looks like they allow on properties at least one acre in size and zoned agriculture up to 15 chickens with some setbacks that apply from neighboring from property lines and from neighboring structures of 100 ft. 25 ft property line, 100 ft from a a neighboring structure. How many of those cities required from that support? Um, Smithville, I I don't know all of them. Smithville, Liberty, Excelser Springs. I don't know about Gladstone and Kansas City. I imagine Gladstone probably does if they require special use permit for less than three acres. Um, that's kind of a a permit. I don't know about when it's larger. Kansas City. I don't know about the thing that also they're not Kansas City has a limit of four pets. They don't count the chickens as pets, but a lot of HOAs do have limits on how many animals you can have and most of them are three. So, what do they classify chickens? If if they're not pets, what do they classify? I mean, eight is count them as you can have. Just like you can have grow corn

on your lot in Kansas City. It was part of that um carbon agriculture. I just thought their their own category. Any other questions from staff on the proposed ordinance? [Applause] Says ordinance or requiring a permit. The current ordinance does not require uh as presented recommended does not require a permit. I know I'm out of order here, but I didn't get I didn't read your ordinance, but what does this pertain to common area in uh subdivisions that have common ground that don't have like the villas at Marry or you know what I'm getting ready to do at Cottonwood cuz I mean they could come in and say, "Well, we've got 0.25 25 acres back here. This partially belongs to me because I'm a homeowner. So, I'm going to put some chicken. But they don't own that land, right? Homeowners do. [Music] HOA question. I think 100 ft is too much. It just depends if you own one of it, 150th of it. But some of these H, you know, some of these HOAs have a lot of land, you know, and I think you could easily come into a situation where you got it where they own a quarter of an acre or more per person. I Hey, listen. I've been doing this a long time. I've seen a lot of weird things. Okay? And that's the only reason I'm asking, but I think if you ought to make something specific in the ordinance to maintenance provided communities that have common land that's owned by the HOA. Because if you don't, believe me, they're going to come up. They're

going to say, "Well, you know, our common area here is 2 acres and we've got eight houses, so we own a quarter of an acre a piece. I want to put chickens in my backyard." My guess is that's not what the other neighbors signed on for when they were doing maintenance providing community. And like I said, it sounds stupid. I've seen dumber things. I've been I've had to defend myself on dumber things than that in the past. That's really good. The current ordinance I don't believe specifies it doesn't break down to um No, we just assume that the property you own is what you're talking about. So, yeah, here here's here's my thoughts. Um, obviously I don't vote um on any ordinances unless I'm a tiebreaking vote, but my thoughts are I don't consider chickens pets. I you know I don't think that I know all the communication I've received um from residents that are either for it or against it um the the ones for it are are talking specifically for sustainability purposes to allow them the opportunity to um have chickens to provide eggs for their family educational learning and for food purposes. is um that being said, I I do think there's been some good discussion tonight on on some requests I think from the board. Um that being said, if we could uh if there's no other questions from the board, we do need uh to vote on a

proposed ordinance. Please keep in mind after the first reading if there's any modifications or changes you'd like to the ordinance, that's a time where you could could read in any of those changes that the board could desire. Mr. Mayor, I'd actually like to make a motion to table this for legal because I'd like to get it legally where we can't get sued or something for that HOA thing because I never thought about what Mr. Porter brought up, but I thought that was a good good point. And before I feel comfortable voting on it, I'd like to have legal look at some verbiage on that. Okay. Um, my neighborhood has over 30 acres of green space. Mhm. The villas. So, we have um a motion to table by Alderman Holt. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? oppose. Well, table with was legal to look at that. Do I need to make that in the motion to We've already made a motion. That's first and seconded. So, um and we put the vote. All in favor? I oppose. All right. Bill number 272025 is continued. Next item is a motion approving bill number 28 20225 presented by David Pavlish our community development director. An ordinance approving a final plat of cottages at Cottonwood Creek final plat a subdivision in Carne, Missouri and accepting dedication of rideway and easement therein. David, it's ironic that this is up next because this I think is the property that Mr. Porter just referenced in previous case, but um so before you is an ordinance approving a final five of the cottages of Cotman Creek final flat. That's the property at the northwest quadrant of

Nation Road and Cottonwood Creek uh Avenue which uh was reszoned last month from commercial to residential for single family villas. And this plat helps to reestablish the building setbacks. There's a sewer line extension that there's a dedication of an easement for and then they are dedicating an additional utility ement through the property. Planning zoning recommended approval by the court approved unanimously. So basically one lot of Leman you have anything to add? No, there was there was very little discussion on this cuz it's pretty cut and dry. So, any questions from the board? If we could read the proposed ordinance first reading by title only, please. An ordinance approving a final plat of cottages at Cottonwood Creek Final Plat, a subdivision in Carne, Missouri, and accepting dedication of right-of-way and easements thereon. Move to approve on first reading. Second. All in favor? I oppose. Second reading by title only, please. An ordinance approving a final plat of cottages at Cottonwood Creek Final Plat, a subdivision in Carne, Missouri, and accepting dedication of rightofway and easements thereon. Motion to approve. I'll second pull the board, please. Alderman Leman, I. Alderman Holt, I. Alderwoman Spencer, I. Alderman King, I vote unanimous and ordinance passes on the second reading. Thank you. Hey, David. Thank you. I've got a copy of the CCRs here if you want. I didn't sign him, but but uh Ron said he's like one. Next item this evening is a motion approving bill number 29

2025 presented by David Pablitch, our community development director. Okay. Uh this will be final plat for shops at Carney. First plat replat to lot 3E. Uh final plat 3E is the area on the west side of Watson Drive between Clark Car Wash to the north and holiday to the south and the proposal is to subdivide that. It's just short of 5 acres into three commercial lots. final plat there's no dedication of additional rideaways possibly some there's an easement through between one of two of those lots um again staff recommends approval planning zoning commission recommended unanimous approval of of this platform David you you just said that there was no accepting of additional rightway but our language says that in the ordinance so I just want to be clear it's standard yeah it's standard language that we have So we are or we are not accepting any additional easement or rightway. We will not be accepting additional ride ofway but they do have a utility easement between uh the lot to the south and the middle lot. Okay. What about the shared access? Isn't that it's on there? Yes, it's there's a shared access easement, sorry, between the lot to the north and the middle lot for a shared driveway. Should we consider modifying the ordinance language then? I I think if you do that, you cannot read it by title only. Okay. I think it's fine accepting dedication right away even though there's new rightway that's being dedicated. I would like us to consider modifying the

ordinance not to include that language. And I guess we have to read up the full ordinance. I and that's a lesson learned. Um because I don't know I don't agree that our ordinance language says that we're accepting dedication of rideway and easements thereon if that's not our intention. Does anybody else on the board disagree with me? Okay. I can read the ordinance in its entirety twice. Please do. And we're going to modify and take out and accepting dedication of I'm just going to take out right ofway and is that yeah so because we're accepting dedication of easements there's no rightway later on. Okay. All right. First reading uh full reading please. an ordinance approving a final plat of the shops at Carne First Plat replat of lot 3E final plat a subdivision in Carney Missouri and accepting dedication of easements thereon. Whereas Star Acquisitions LLC has proposed the shops at Carne First Plat replat of lot 3E final plat a subdivision proposing three commercial lots with dedication of easements on approximately 4.93 acres. Whereas on May 12th, 2025, the planning and zoning commission of Carne, Missouri, held a meeting relative to said final plat and recommended to the board of alderman by a unanimous 6 to zero vote that said final plat be approved with certain conditions. And whereas on May 19th, 2025, the board of aldermen of Carne, Missouri held a meeting relative to said final plat. Now therefore, be it ordained by the board of alderman of the city of Carne, Missouri as follows. Section one, the final plat of shops at Carne First Plat replat of lot 3E final plat a subdivision of land with three commercial lots within the city of Carney Klay County, Missouri will be approved after conditions of approval

have been met required public improvements have been completed and maintenance bonds and as builts have been accepted along with the following conditions as recommended by the planning and zoning commission. One, submit a revised plat if necessary. Two, city engineer approval of final plat revisions and any changes, modifications or alterations required by the same to the final plat revisions. Three, record the final plat within one year of alderman approval. Four, develop the site in compliance with all city codes, conditions, requirements, plans, and payments of fees and taxes. Section two, the dedication of street right ofway and/or easements shown on said final plat will be accepted upon recording of the final plat. Section three, the mayor is hereby authorized to sign copies of said plat upon confirmation from staff that conditions of approval have been met, required public improvements have been completed, and maintenance bonds have been accepted. Section four, the developer shall be responsible for filing all legal documents with the Klay County Recorder of Deeds Office and shall return recorded documents to the city clerk to be kept on file by the city. Section five. This ordinance shall be in full force and effect on after passage by the board of alderman and approval by the mayor. Adopted and approved by the mayor and board of alderman, city of party, Missouri, this 19th day of May, 2025. Do we have a first uh vote of approval? Section two has right away in it. Now you can do an amendment cuz I read the whole thing right away and and or easement. So if we're not accepting well easement

needs if we're not accepting a rightway then this should just say the dedication of easement an easement shown on said final plat will be accepted upon recording of the final plaque cuz we're not accepting any rightway. That's correct. So, if we could entertain now that the ordinance has been read in entirety, entertain a motion to modify section two to remove um street rideway andor to just read the dedication of easements. Um we had Dan, can we use your motion as a first for that modification? Yeah. Okay. Do we have a second? I'll second that. Can you go ahead and make one more modification? There was a typo. I read it as it was written for in section five in full force and effect and take remove on and just have it be after passage by the board of alderman and approval by the mayor. So the modification will also be to section five and remove guess a scrier's error. Um remove on after the word effect in section five. I can do that one more. I I think that'll clean up the ordinance here. Okay. So we have a first by alderman Holt modifying section two and section five seconded by Alderman Leman. All in favor? I oppose. Now for the second reading. Um, are you able to do a title only since we modified it? No, because it hasn't been on file for 24 hours. Uh, second reading, please. An ordinance approving a final plat of the shops at Carne First Plat replat of lot 3E, final plat, a subdivision in Carne, Missouri,

and accepting dedication of easements thereon. Whereas Star Acquisitions LLC has proposed the shops at Carne First Plat reclat of lot 3E final plat a subdivision proposing three commercial lots with dedication of easements on approximately 4.93 acres. Whereas on May 12th 2025 the planning and zoning commission of Carne Missouri held a meeting relative to said final plat and recommended to the board of alderman by unanimous 6 to zero vote that said final plat be approved with certain conditions. And whereas on May 19th, 2025, the board of aldermen of Carne, Missouri, held a meeting relative to said final plat. Now therefore, be it ordained by the board of alderman of the city of Carne, Missouri, as follows. Section one, the final plat of shops at Carney, first plat replat of lot 3E, final plat, a subdivision of land with three commercial lots within the city of Carne, Klay County, Missouri, will be approved after conditions of approval have been met. Required public improvements have been completed and maintenance bonds and as builts have been accepted along with the following conditions as recommended by the planning and zoning commission. One, submit a revised plat if necessary. Two, city engineer approval of final plat revisions and any changes, modifications or alterations required by the same to the final plat revisions. Three, record the final plat within one year of alderman approval. Four, develop the site in compliance with all city codes, conditions, requirements, plans, and payments of fees and taxes. Section two, the dedication of easements shown on said final plat will be accepted upon recording of the final plat. Section three, the mayor is hereby authorized to sign copies of said plat upon confirmation from staff that conditions of approval have been met. Required public improvements have been completed and maintenance bonds have been accepted. Section four, the developer shall be responsible for filing all legal documents with the Klay County Recorder of deeds office and shall return recorded documents to the city clerk to be kept on file by the city. Section five. This ordinance shall be in full force and effect after

passage by the board of aldermen and approval by the mayor. All right. Make a motion on second reading. Hold the board, please. Alderman Holt. Hi. Alderwoman Spencer. Hi. Alderman King. I. Alderman Leeman. Hi. Vote is unanimous and the ordinance passes modified on the second reading. Next item is a motion approving bill number 30, 2025 presented by David Pavlage, our community development director, an ordinance approving the shops at Carne First Plat 3G site plan as submitted by Les Schwab Tire Center. David? Yeah. So this application is related to the previous final plat. Less Schwab Tire Center proposes to a little over 9800 square ft. So 9 9,872,000 square foot building and parking lot improvements on middle lot 3G from the previous plat. Um planning and zoning commission recommend unanimous approval. Um we Dan McGee is in the audience today representing the applicant. So, Lush Log Tire Center. They do tires and other minor automobile repairs. Uh, moving into the Kansas City area. They're northakota. They're in Oregon, California, and they're coming to Kansas City area. And we're one of a handful of uh different locations that they're proposing. Thank you for that report. Any questions from the board on the proposed ordinance? Right. If we can read the proposed ordinance first reading by title, please. An ordinance approving the shops at Carne First Plat 3G site

plan as submitted by Les Schwab Tire Center. Move to approve on the first reading. I'll second that. All in favor? I oppose. Second reading by title only, please. An ordinance approving the shops at Carne First Plat 3G site plan as submitted by Les Schwab Tire Center. Motion on a second. I'll second. Pull the board, please. Alderwoman Spencer, I. Alderman King, hi. Alderman Leman, I. Alderman Holtz, hi. The vote is unanimous and ordinance passes on the second reading. Thank you, Dan. It was uh usually you're working with us direct but glad to see uh you helping out Lew Schwab and uh welcome to the community. We'll move on to resolutions. We have one resolution this evening. A motion approving resolution 392025 presented by David Pavich community development director. a resolution adopting the 2025 multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan for Cass, Clay, Jackson, Platt, and Ray counties. David, yes. So, M American Regional Council goes through a regional hazard mitigation uh plan process. Um it helps all the communities in the five county area. Um so if something were to happen uh hazard uh natural hazard lies um everybody in the in that regional area is uh uh can you know seek funding or uh seek hazard mitigation funding uh through SEMA FEMA and the like. Uh there have been about 12. So there's a list of different communities. I think we're about 12 that have approved the plan so

far. There's another handful of others that are like us uh coming in a few weeks later than they are. Um staff recommends approve. We went through this process. They do it every 5 years. So 2020 2015 board members might. Any questions from the board on the proposed resolution? We can entertain a motion approving resolution 392025, a resolution adopting the 2025 multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan for Cass, Clay, Jackson, Plat, and Ray counties. I make a motion to approve. I'll second. All in favor? I oppose. Resolution passes. Next item on the agenda this evening, items for review and presentation. Uh we have a bid recommendation our pathways gaps and crossing project presented by Shelley Daniel our public works director. Shelley. So on May 7th um the city received a open bids for our pathways gaps and project um crossings project. Um the like I have reviewed the bid and so has Olen who was our designer and um we only received one bidder Megan KC and that bid came in at like $765,725 and exceeded the engineers's estimate of $327,375 by about 234%. And then also significantly over the budget we have allocated for the project. Um and we didn't get any competitive bids um since we haven't got the sole bid. Based on these factors um I recommend um rejecting this bid in the interest of being fiscally responsible and is to preserve the integrity of the procurement process. I'd also recommend the board um have the staff engage with

the um other prospective contractors to gather feedback on why we had low participation and whether it was our scope, the timing of our bid, or the market conditions that affected their interest. And then also consider having us revise and revertise the bid if we deem that appropriate to encourage a broader competition and more cost-effective proposals. and also to explore phase implementation strategies, maybe breaking the project up into different projects. Um, I also have other ideas and a lot of our work is on 19th Street, which is right in the middle of our complete street project. So, it makes sense for us to possibly pull that work out, add it to that future project, and take advantage of the grant funding. So, with that, I just um make that recommendation for you to consider. And on the agenda, I do have a sample motion. Um I don't know if I'm supposed to read that. No, just have it here for um the board to consider. Yeah, thank you for that report, Shelly. Um, it's not often we run into these challenges, I I'll say, but um I I don't know if it's because it's a small project or or or what, but I appreciate you and staff being willing to to look into it and seeing what we can do here. Um to hopefully get better results. Uh I I do appreciate the sample motion. Um I don't have any concerns or issues with the motion, but if we could enter somebody could entertain the motion. Um, I'll read the sample motion. A motion to reject the sole bid submitted by Mega Casey for the Pathways, Gaps, and Crossings project and direct city staff to consult with contractors regarding the limited bid response. Consider revising and readvertising the project if appropriate and explore phased implementation

strategies. So moved. A second. All in favor? I I oppose. I think that gives you the orders you're looking for. Thank you so much for that report. Uh next item, uh also presented by Shelley Daniel, our public works director. Um an update on the 162nd and Nation Road TEAP study. And before I gave you the floor there, Shelley, I will say the first email that I received as mayor on this intersection was from then county resident Mark Thomas um sharing some concerns about the safety and lack of visibility and all the things at this intersection. Chief, and I think I am persistent, sir. at at that time. I I can't remember if you were still an employee of the highway patrol or where, but um I reminded him that things do not move fast in government, even in small local government. So, as you can see, we we we've been working on it almost 8 years later, but we're still working on it. So, Shelley, you got the floor. The city of Carne and Klay County had received multiple um citizen concerns about the safety of the 162nd and Nation Road intersection. So the city in partnership with the county was successful successful in obtaining a traffic engineering assistant program grant from the Missouri Department of Transportation. The study focused on the T intersection of Nation Road and 162nd Street in the city of Carney that is also owned and maintained by both the city and the county. Olsson Incorporated was selected to perform the intersection safety and operational analysis and Jeremy Stratz from their traffic group leader for the Kansas City area is here to present the findings and

recommendations. Jeremy has 15 years of traffic engineering experience and is a registered professional traffic operations engineer and a roadway safety professional. So, I'm going to turn the floor over to Jeremy to go through um this presentation. All right. Well, thank you and thanks for having me out here. Um control. Okay. Um well, we can go ahead and go to the next one. and we'll just show a little outline of Shelley did a great job of outlining what the project entailed and where the funds came from and where the request came from I guess basically. Um so really just kind of a road map of what we're going to talk a little about today is just the uh existing conditions that we found out there. Um what was conducted as part of the TE process was called a road safety audit. Um so we'll get into that a little bit. Um, we'll also look at what some proven safety countermeasures are that are available to us to to review and assess maybe some safety and other improvements that are out there that we could look at to address these conditions that were found at the intersection and then a summary and and maybe some next steps to get that. Um yeah, uh it kind of as outlined the intersections uh 16 and nation road city and county maintained facility. Uh it's kind of the northwest side of Carney and uh you can see from the slide kind of a an overview top down view of the existing conditions and kind of the signing that's present at the intersection as well as some um approach slopes and grades that are at the intersections. Uh it's a T intersection uh where Nation Road comes into a T at 162nd Street. There is a horizontal change in 162nd Street. As you're

traveling east and west, the road kind of shifts um to the south if you're headed eastbound or to the north if you're going westbound. Um speeds on that facility are 45 miles an hour, but they are uh signed with advisory speed conditions for um a couple of different um with a couple of different warning signs to supplement those advisory speed conditions. Uh as you can see, the eastbound direction has a uh a curve warning sign with a 20 mph plaque. And apologies the image is a little bit small and grainy, but but that's kind of as you approach the intersection from the west and are heading eastbound, you see that sign. Uh the next sign you see is an intersection warning sign. Um as you're going down a steep grade and kind of uh assessing that horizontal curve, kind of moving through that that reverse curve. Uh from the west, you see a couple of different signs as well. um none of which address the reverse curve, but there are a couple of signs associated with a hill that blocks the view. Um and a bus stop as well as an intersection warning sign. Um as you go westbound through the intersection, you again have to navigate that reverse curve as well as go um down the hill and back up a steep grade on the west side of the intersection of Nation Road. Uh northbound Nation Road. Um the city has added advanced stop signs um that aren't shown on the image, but the speed is 35 mph approaching the intersection and the stop signs located at the intersection there. Uh as part of a review, some data was collected. This uh critical data included um reviewing some crash history at the intersection as well as collecting speed data. Um the speed data

was collected about a thousand foot west of Nation Road along 162nd Street to assess uh the speed of drivers that are coming into that intersection particularly from the west as that was noted as a location of concern. um as well as some vehicle count information was included with that speed data, but also some vehicle count information was taken at the intersection itself um as part of a previous project the city had done and that was provided to us to to review operations. Uh you can see from the crash history this is 10 years worth of crash history from 2015 to I think 2024 was the last uh available data input from MODOT's crash uh history website. Um summary of that data is you know there were three northbound angle crashes that occurred. Uh the the three that you see there um resulted in property damage only. Uh but they were northbound vehicles uh aiming to turn left and go west on 162nd Street. Uh there were also six uh six crashes after we were getting into some of the crash reports and seeing the crash summaries that were associated with out of control vehicles um which can sometimes be attributed to to speeds. So again, uh looking then at that next step of the speed data information that was collected on the west side of the intersection. Um a typical metric for traffic engineering is to look at the 85th percentile speeds. That's often what times uh we look at uh that speed threshold to set a posted speed limit or assess whether the drivers are um conforming to that posted speed condition. Um what that really

shows is that 85% of the drivers are comfortable driving at that speed um of 49 and a half mph uh as as they're headed uh eastbound towards the intersection on the west side of the intersection. Um so again not not showing much um regard for the posted speed limits approaching the intersection um operations which aren't shown. We did analyze the stop control condition at the intersection to assess whether vehicles um are experiencing undue delay due to traffic volumes at the intersection. Uh that wasn't found to be an issue. Uh, operationally, vehicles are waiting less than 15 seconds to make a turning movement off of that intersection. Uh, off of Nation Road to turn on to 162nd Street. That would be a driver's level of acceptance. Um, like we typically assign that to a letter grade level service A great, you wait less than 10 seconds at any location. This would be associated with level service B, which is pretty u pretty easy to navigate intersection. Um once you can get there go ahead and go to the next slide. Uh the next piece again so after having all the the data that we uh collected and kind of compiling that um we conducted a road safety audit. This is really just a a new terminology coined uh to kind of associate with um a group of multiddisciplinary individuals coming together to assess the safety and operational conditions at an intersection. So we sit down in a room, we um gathered uh PD staff, um city staff, county staff, as well as some residents to go um talk through the summary of findings from the data

collection effort. um gather their feedback on what they see at the intersection on a daily basis. Um and then go out to the intersection to actually conduct some additional data collection. Um reviewing site distance, um making sure that we got the approach signing correct and um gathering information on the geometrics of the conditions themselves. Um the key findings of that road safety audit were again um people um agreed with the the speed data results that we were seeing. You know, excessive speed was a consistent um brought up as a concern at the intersection um particularly along 162nd Street. Uh and then sight distance constraints which if you go to the next slide I think um are illustrated a little bit better here. Um the location of the stop sign actually exacerbates the the uh limiting sight conditions that are associated with vehicles stopping on Nation Road trying to assess whether there's a gap in traffic along 162nd Street. Uh and what you can see is that there's uh the vegetation in that um southwest quadrant of the intersection contributes to limiting side conditions at the intersection and um having vehicles having a difficult time seeing eastbound vehicles as they approach the intersection. Um this in conjunction with the uh geometry of the roadway and the downgrades as they approach the intersection um contributes to to the intersection site distance ultimately not being met at the intersection. Um, even if you were to stop pretty close to the edge of roadway, 14 and a half foot back from the edge of Travelway along 162nd Street, um, you find that vegetation does limit your ability to see eastbound vehicles approaching the intersection.

Uh, the stopping site distance, which is a critical metric from the highway design manual, uh, and the Astro Green Book, uh, is met across here. So vehicles, even if a northbound vehicle were to uh inadvertently uh pull out into the intersection, um there is enough sight distance that vehicles traveling along 162nd Street at the posted speed limit of 40 mph to assess that condition, hit their brakes, and decelerate at a comfortable rate um stopping before they would impact a vehicle uh pulling out of Nation Road. Uh but again that intersection tight distance is typically considered a critical component of intersection. Um would would the same be true at the 85th or 95th percentile speed? Uh those speeds are a little bit above what that threshold would be. That number was um I think right at I'd have to look but it would be uh a little bit diff more difficult for that to be met. Um I don't have off top of my head whether that does mean or not but Okay. Yeah, I just I think that would be good to know if we're talking 85% of the vehicles for there exceed the post and speed limit. I don't care what the speed limit is. If if there's enough distance for the speed limit, I want to know. Yeah, I think that tells us that's an important uh factor we need to know. Yeah. Um the next slide. Uh so we have kind of the facts laid out in front of us and and some of the issues again prevailing speed. um and limiting sight condition uh site distance. Um what are some of the tools that we would use to um improve safety and operations at this intersection? Uh FHWA, the Federal Highway Association puts out some documentation um for similar types of facilities. Um, some of these lowcost

countermeasures can include uh making signage improvements and striping improvements along both the through lanes as or the uh non-stop uh condition as well as on the stop condition. Um, so you can see some of those things listed there. Um, you know, things like oversized signing, flashing beacons, um, retroreflective sheeting on the posts. Um all these things are used to draw drivers attention to the conditions at the intersection. Um that there's an intersection approach and that there's a advisory speed condition that drivers should um adhere to as well as um improved pavement markings. Um properly located stop bars. Uh the trimming of vegetation and uh warning signing at the the T intersection can sometimes help those uh run off the road crashes. um in their experience with applying these safety counter measures, they've seen reductions in up to 10% of fatal and injury crashes. They've seen a reduction of that um as well as 15% reduction in nighttime crashes. We did see a significant contribution of nighttime crashes because this intersection actually does have a a street light at the southeast quadrant of the intersection. A lot of these intersections similar to these don't have lighting and sometimes that can be a recommended countermeasure. You see a high prevalence of nighttime crashes. Um and then um you know an average cost uh benefit of 12:1 basically. Um so moving on to the next slide. Uh some of these things that jumped out to us to again uh as high priority and medium priority uh high priority ones maybe showing up in that orange highlight of like adding some oversized advanced warning signs at the intersection to warn drivers that there is an intersection um consistently from both directions of traffic as well as

providing flashing beacons to make sure that um that signing is catching their eye. uh especially the um supplemental warning signs for the posted speed limit or the advisory speed condition. Um retroreflective sheeting again another element that's used to to enhance visibility of those sign structures. Um and then improving pavement markings to delineate those road edges. Um that's more of a critical component um from uh one of the other pieces of information that we gathered that while we were out there on the road safety audit is um the driver's stop sign is placed about 60 ft back from the edge of pavement. Again I mentioned the maximum visibility for drivers is located you know 14 1/2 ft back from the edge of travelway. that's where they would anticipate a driver to stop to get the best v visibility of vehicles traveling along 162nd Street. Um so we need to do something to move that stop sign and that stop location up. Um one piece of that would be to enhance the pavement markings to delineate the roadway. Um and then yeah on the stop approach again placing the stop bar appropriately um removing vegetation and obstructions that limit line of sight. Uh and then adding some warning sign on on the uh stem of the T intersection uh to let drivers know that they have to make a turning movement at this T intersection once they get up to the intersection to reduce some of those runoff road crashes. Um next slide kind of shows some of those recommendations on practice and laid out on the u on the on an intersection aerial itself. Um, you can see some of the advanced warning signs along 162nd Street would indicate that there are two conditions that drivers actually need to be aware of. One of them is the reverse curve uh as you're traveling through that intersection. The second one being the

intersection itself that uh is centered along that reverse curve. um providing some consistent uh advisory warning signs that drivers may be more um um convinced to to follow, I guess, if it's a little bit closer to their 85th percentile speed, but also um provides a a an uh safety improvement for drivers that are trying to get into the traffic stream from Nation Road. Uh and then really uh better defining the intersection with some pavement markings and potentially removing that unnecessary pavement along the southeast quadrant of the intersection. Um that's really what's causing the stop sign to be located so far uh south of the intersection is there's there's nowhere to put the stop signing without it being kind of floating in the sea of pavement that's at the intersection. Um, so either doing that by creating this more defined intersection through striping and pulling that stop sign and stop bar up to the appropriate location where drivers can get the visibility that they need um are some of those things. Some things that aren't shown are u trimming the vegetation along that southwest quadrant. Um, I think the city has already um coordinated with the property owner that's there to um make some of those uh adjustments to the vegetation. And I think that they've made significant improvements to the line of sight of the intersection if if you've been out um since that's been done. Um but some of that still remains maybe outside of their rideway which is more difficult to uh have control over. Uh, and then some some additional steps or or things that aren't shown in this image that could be kind of a next step is um chevron signing again further

delineating the reverse curvature of 162nd Street um through the intersection and you can add um dual signs to further enhance the visibility of the warning signs. Um, at this point we're just recommending some oversized signs with um flashing beacons as a a starting point. Um, and and with those things in mind, I think that that's um that would that would help address some of the safety concerns at the intersection. Next time it's just questions if you want would rather look at the actual summary recommendations but thank you for that report. Uh does anybody on the board have any questions uh on the report presented this evening? So this was just a factf finding. There's no recommendation as far as correct corrective action is correct. They actually they had several recommendations at the end and um compared it to like the cost benefit like a crash they have. So would you go back? I I think what Alderman Leman's referring to this evening is there's no official or uh recommendation. There's nothing to us in approval form to make any of these safety improvements. Is that what you're referring to? That and and funding obviously is an issue here too. So please this um this grant was is for engineering assistance for like just going and trying to see if you have a project and if we want to keep pursuing this um we would have to have a separate project and there's some things like in like the signs like you look at that intersection um Klay County maintains everything west of 160 of Nation Road and Carne does east and we did Nation Road and over the years it wasn't really

clear on who took care of the signs. It was just like the pavement and so now we're just doing the whole roadway and they're doing the whole roadway. So they're doing the signs too. So I think there's a little clearer understanding of who takes care of what now. I um the board's desire I I would like to see staff continue to have discussions with Klay County and see if we can get some recommendations uh and potential cost on on you know what it would cost Carney taxpayers to improve this intersection uh with some of the recommendations uh counter measures here. Um, I think it'd be worthwhile and and something we should still spend some time on. I do have a question. If we remove the unnecessary pavement on the um southeast corner there. Yeah, I was trying to get my directions there. Would that then allow that stop sign to be moved up closer to the stop bar? That's correct. Okay. That's what I was thinking with like a little pork chop. Yeah. something so that we can get it up closer to I was thinking that too. Yeah. Rather than the stop sign being way back here and it's not up there, but I'm no traffic engineer, but somebody that's driven that intersection hundreds of times. I do think that's the root cause of the northbound accidents going to eastbound is because they have to stop so far back. so far back and then they think, "Oh, I've stopped. I can't see anything and go." And then boom, because of both the grade and beam. But if we could take this out and move the stop sign up so

that we've got better visibility both sides. That that would be to me that would be a lot of cars that get it don't stop at a stop sign. They'll stop stop bar. Some of them don't stop anyway. But um so if you want us uh look at like what it would take to implement what's being shown on that picture, I could leave with that action. Yeah, I would if if the board has the same desire I do. I I would like to see the cost estimates of of kind of and maybe if we could even total and break it out per recommendation here. Yeah. And perhaps since Klay County exactly does some of this I think they need to be a part of this conversation and a part of yeah this solution they have been at the table they paid um half of the local match on this study and um however if you look at the intersection the only thing on that that they would be responsible for is the one sign on the west side one sign well because I mean most of this would be pretty simple for us to do except removing some pavement. So, I don't I mean, it's not really Okay, I'll tell you, Alderman Spencer, I um you may or may not remember that you we do a lot of things here, but I I did go to a county meeting with our city administrator and presented kind of our concerns here and uh presiding commissioner Noli and his associate commissioners were very gracious and and I think uh listened to us well and I think their staff has worked well our staff to this point.

So, very well, sir. Thank you so much for your time and efforts, and we appreciate you being here this evening. Absolutely. Thank you so much. We'll move on to mayor's communications. A couple things I want to mention this evening is uh I want to share some appreciation to one of our street department employees, Mr. Zack Cauldron. Um he was I think it was Mother's Day actually. Uh he was I noticed a Facebook social media post from W Bash Barbecue. Uh in Excelser Springs unfortunately uh had a fire in their smokehouse while he was there. Uh Zach happens to be a volunteer firefighter in Le where he lives and took it upon himself to uh provide his services and um Mr. Mcola and the owners of Waw Bash uh shared that with me. So, um we've got a lot of great employees working for the city of Carney. Um but it's so I wasn't surprised to hear that one of our own on on their own time uh stepped in and helped out, but um appreciate Zach and and his efforts there. Um this evening on the way home, I don't know if you guys noticed, but we got like 2 and 12 ines of rain in no time. So, we we need the rain. Um, not all at once, but I will tell you, uh, Chief, I think it was Detective Westerfield, he was all bundled up in a raincoat. Um, but if not, it was whoever was driving his cruiser. Um, at there is a drain that is notorious for getting clogged up with leaves, brush, all that, all the things on, I guess, northbound 33 right before South Park Parkway. and he was out there in the rain clearing that drain because there was probably two inches of standing water over 33 highway there. So, um once again, we we've got great employees staffed here at the city of Carney and he could have

driven on by and not cared, but he he took the time to to to solve that issue. So, I appreciate that as well. That concludes my mayor's communications this evening. We'll move on to the city administrator's report. The only thing I have is just a reminder that our next board meeting will be Monday, June 2nd at 6:30 p.m. We'll move on to alderman discussion. Alderman King, I don't have anything. Alderman Spencer, I would just like to say a huge congratulations to all our Carney graduates. Um, I wish them all the best. I believe they have a bright future ahead of them. I know school is school year is already winding down. I can't believe it. Gosh. Does that conclude your report? Does Alderman Leman? Um, I just wanted [Music] to just a quick kudos to city and city staff. It's it's great to see businesses like Le Schwab um especially when they're coming from way out of state um consider Carney little town of Carney to be uh something that they're interested in and in expanding in the Midwest and it shows that Carney's on the map. Um, and uh we're we're open for business and we're open for uh new businesses. We've got uh new apartment building coming. Uh so it's exciting to see the growth that that we've um that we want to see both in our downtown area and and new businesses. Um, so and to piggyback off of um the mayor's comments, I was actually over at Wabash this weekend. Uh they didn't have

what I usually get because of the the fire in the smoke house, but um I've known the owner for a considerable amount of time and he uh he came over and expressed his sincere appreciation for Zach and how Zach grabbed the fire extinguisher and and and went out there and and kept the fire at bay as much as he could with the fire extinguisher until the fire department got there. So, um it it's nice to see our our city employees doing good things um when they're there eating with their family. So, makes makes us proud. So, that's all I have. Um I want to thank our police department for our vandalism in incident at the park. Um, but also that was put on Facebook and the response that we got from our community about taking care of our parks was really great. I was glad to see that uh I we we take pride in our parks and we think it's it's great. But to hear citizens who live here talk about how proud they are of our parks um really shows that we spent our money wisely, did what we need to do for our community, and it it was appreciated. Um, it's always bad to hear that you get a youth or somebody to, you know, they think it's fun to tear something up. Um, and it does 3:30 in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. I I like what, you know, one person said, "This is why we can't have nice things." Um, but I thought it was nice that we had so many of our our citizens come out and really brag on the city and for the police that they wanted them to take make, you know, so that this won't happen again. Um, so kudos to you. Thank you for posting that. And um,

I I was just real proud of our citizens. I just wanted to share that. Great. That concludes alderman discussion and our uh posted agenda items this evening. So with that, if we can entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved. Second. All in favor? Post. Thank you for being here and everybody have a good evening. Thank you. But strangely, I usually get smoked turkey. I didn't have it. Crispy turkey, but no smoked turkey. put back my yard real close. See, that's a little bigger than I did, too. I was wondering if he's going to bang his gavvel. I know. I don't because he has [Music] anyway. Oh yeah. [Music]