City Council - Regular Meeting

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Good evening everyone. It's good to be here and I am blessed to be able to open this meeting. I'd like to share knowing a little bit about what this meeting is about. A couple of scriptures real quick and then I'll pray. But we know that in Proverbs scripture tells us that without counsel plans go ary but in the multitude of counselors they are established. And then of course we know from the book of James and chapter 1 it says if any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God who gives to all liberally and without reproach and it will be given to him. So I'd like to pray some wisdom over you all tonight and everyone who is here. Oh father, Lord in heaven, we come before you today with grateful hearts. We seek your wisdom and guidance tonight, Lord, as we gather to discuss well the future of our community. Lord, we ask you grant this council clarity of thought, unity of purpose, spirit of collaboration. Lord, help them listen with compassion, speak with integrity, and most importantly, Lord, decide with wisdom. And may every plan that is considered and every decision that is made reflects your justice, your mercy, and your truth. And so, Lord, we ask that you bless this meeting and that your will be done in all that we do. And we pray this in the mighty and powerful name of Christ Jesus. Amen.

Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you very much. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. City attorney, do we have a quorum? Yes, you do. Thank you very much. Member Nelson, approve the minutes of the council meeting on October 14th, 2025. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager.

Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and city council for special recognitions and presentations. We have one item. It's a proclamation and pallet of care month. And the mayor will present a proclamation to St. Francis Reflection Hospice Team. And I'll read the proclamation. Official proclamation city of Titus, Florida. Whereas Medicare's first proven coordinated care model, hospice, is a program that works offering person- centered, compassionate care, ensuring people dignity, choice, and quality of life. And whereas the hospital model involves an interdisciplinary team oriented approach to treatment including expert medical care, quality symptom control and comprehensive pain management as a foundation of care. And whereas beyond providing physical treatment, hospice attends the patients emotional, spiritual and family needs, provides family services like respite care and grief counseling. And whereas hospital and palative care organizations are advocates and educators about advanced care planning that help individuals make decisions about the care they want. And whereas St. Francis Hospice has cared for our community since 1977, delivering compassionate, caring, expert, and professional hospice and grief support services to patients and families at the end of life, reflecting life, love, and compassion. And whereas 48 years ago, Emily Saskco, a Titusville nurse, and a group of volunteers came together to establish the Hospice of St. Francis because they wanted their family, friends, and neighbors to have access to compassionate quality end of life care from a locally based hospice

provider. Founded in 1977, Hospice of St. Francis, now St. Francis Hospice is a nonprofit community organization of skilled professionals and dedicated volunteers who provide access to compassionate, caring, expert and professional hospice and grief support services to patients and families at the end of life. Today, St. Francis Hospice serves more than 2,800 patients annually through hospice and pallet of care, providing holistic patient centered care and comfort to patients and families throughout Bvard County. The St. Francis Hospice mission remains uplifting lives, uplifting each other, uplifting our community. Now, therefore, I, Andrew Connors, by the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Titusville, do hereby proclaim November 2025 as hospice and pallet of care month and the city of Titusville, Florida. And I encourage all citizens to learn more about hospice and pallet of care at the end of life and try to help as they can and commend the St. Francis Hospice team for their services to the people of Taiso, Florida. Signed, Andrew Connor as mayor.

[applause]

Thank you so much. Um, we from St. Francis Hospice. Oh, I'm sorry. We really appreciate this recognition. Uh, for November is uh, hospice and palative care month. We're really privileged and blessed to be able to service the community and we service all of Bard County and we've been around quite some time as a nonprofit organization. Um the care is compassionate, it's loving and it it's provided at a very delicate time in someone's life in the family and it really is a privilege always. So thank you.

Thank you so much. We appreciate you guys. Thank you. [applause]

In my studies and my previous life as a nursing home administrator, I've worked extensively with hospice uh providers. And one of the things that's typical is the the length of stay is usually less than 24 hours. Typically, families do not want to, you know, go to that hospice or palative route because they're they're they feel like they're giving up sometimes the stigma around hospice. But what I found amazing about learning about your organization is the the length of service that you guys provide to your patients, which means it's more time for you to uh provide those critical services not only to the patient but to the family. So I commend you and your team for educating the public and getting people um the services that they need ahead of time. So thank you very much.

Alrighty. Now just one housekeeping item is item 9C if I got that correct. I'm right. Yes sir. Uh 9C was advertised because it was supposed to be the second reading. Uh however it was tabled last meeting so it would not be heard tonight for a second meeting and 9D as well as that was also tabled at the last meeting and therefore it will be moved out again as this was already advertised so it's in the agenda but it will be tabled. So if I could have a motion from council to table 9 C to uh January 13th. So moved.

Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. And then uh 9D needs to be tabled to January 27th, 2026. So moved. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager,

sir. Moving on to uh item six, boards and commissions. 6A is the city appointment to the Titusville Farm TIFFA Water Resources Management Committee. And the requested action is to approve the appointment of Mr. Kevin Cook, PE assistant manager, as the city's alternate members to the TIFFA Management Committee in accordance with article six of the TIFFA operating agreement. Thank you very much, city clerk. Uh, yes sir. One card. Stan Johnston.

Stan Johnson. I I I certainly approve this appointment, but I have also something I've sent to you uh November the 22nd that involves all these items that I'm addressing. It's se it's November 22nd, 1052. I gave that to u our our clerk and I'm reading it to you. My name is Stan. I'm gonna try to read very quickly because I don't have Please stay on the topic of the TIFA.

This is a preface to all my speaks. My name is Stan Johnson by profession professional engineer licensed by the state of Florida to protect the health, safety, and welfare of the public. However, you have repeatedly ignored and illegally suppressed my findings of outrageous dishonesty and corruption and opposition to or by silent denial of my findings of city's [snorts] dishonesty and violations of our constitution, man's law, God's law, such as the golden rule and your oath of office to support our constitution. Violations of your oath of office to support our constitution include violations of one the preamble two freedom of speech three amendment number 14 take property without due stand your caution to get on topic

four this is my preface that I already sent to you and you gave no gave no um uh so please don't take my time I'm almost finished for freedom of religion and other under your jurisdiction the TPD have harassed me and threatened assaulted falsely arrested falsely jailed and destroyed numerous public records of my arrest and I understand I'm telling you um for this. Furthermore, the TPD have invaded invaded Mr. Johnson. Please have a seat. Thank you. Please have a seat. Where's the timer? Oh, the time's right here. I can see it. I don't see it. So, you you took over a minute and a half of my time. I gave you a minute and a half. That was not on topic. Please have a seat. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to sue you for freedom of speech.

Okay. Have a seat. Thank you, city clerk. Are there any other cards? Yes, sir. Thank you, city council. Member Nelson. I move to approve the appointment of Kevin Cook as the alternate member to TIPA. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion from this board? Seeing none, all those in favor say I.

Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, Mr. City Manager. So, we're moving on to 6B, the Titusville Environmental Commission. And the recommended action is to appoint three regular members to the Titusville Environmental Commission for three-year terms to expire on November 30th, 2028. And regular members Hector Delgado, resident, and Michael Bjack, resident, have expressed their willingness to continue to serve on this board as regular members for another three-year term expiring on November 30th, 2028. Regular member Michael Browning does not wish to be reappointed. Alternate member William Young does not wish to be considered as a regular member at this time. Alternate member Kevin Rosa, resident, has expressed his willingness to serve on a board as a regular member with a three-year term to expire on November 30th, 2028. There are currently two applications on file for consideration. John Nico and Stan Johnston have expressed their willingness and desire to serve on this board as regular members as well.

Thank you, city manager. City clerk.

Uh yes, sir. Three cards. Uh Tony Shippolone. shuffle of the historic Norwood House. Members Delgado and Mjac have expressed their willingness to continue. Member William Young doesn't want to change. Alternate member Kevin Rosa has expressed willingness and a desire, but he already serves as a regular member on the parks and recreation board. And on the TEC, he already has a voice as an alternate member as you will see on the next agenda item. He um made the nomination uh seconded the Anyway, you'll see Stan Johnson applicant John Nico from Keep Brevard Beautiful. A perfect match for these two. So, I would recommend that you nominate him to the full-time position. Thank you. You want to see me juggle these? I know.

Yes. I'm a professional juggler, so I don't throw my balls around lightly. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Tony. City Clerk, Michael, Jack.

Well, it seems appropriate that I should get up here and speak on my behalf. I've been here for 12, 13 years now. Quite a while. uh in this position, but I've been following our water resources ever since they came to my neighborhood, looking for why the uh surficial aquifer was showing up slight near Silver Lake. Um boy, that was in 9098, I think. And it led to us in FIFA and Wellfield 4 and as we have today, but it was the beginning of when our wellfields started souring because we had saltwater intrusion and they're still soured to this day. And that's why we're pulling some 60% or more water out of wellfield 4 and not out of two and three where we used to be completely self-sufficient. And that's what I want to see us get back to is to see us self-sufficient, to see a healthy lagoon in a healthy environment and we know the way now. We just have to figure out how to chart the course. So, if you have any questions for me, I'll be happy to answer them.

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, city clerk. Stan Johnston. Stan Johnson. I'm the same person who was just removed for what I say is a violation of freedom of speech. I I can say this is an obvious violation of speech. Uh will occur when I am required to sit down and I have not been allowed to use my allowable time or I'm re removed for a discretionary and false determination that I am not on topic. So that's what I believe just happened. False determination. Mr. Johnson, you're still not on topic.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. So So uh would you please pass out the pink card? Okay. Everybody get the pink card this time because this is a little bit different card. So the subjects for our TEC environmental commission include some things are listed on here. Let me read this to you. Question. How can anyone build a dam immediately downstream of houses already in the 100year flood plane? How can they do it? How can they do it? Does anybody have any idea? This has to do with the TEC. This has to do with what just happened flooding in the city of Tesville. Dams. And I've already sent you an email saying the dams are flooding homes. Does anyone have an answer? Understand? Is that anybody know any idea when this came about? This uh this approval of dams? 1985. 1985 freshwater management study. What do you think their answer is to the question? How can you do it? They don't answer the question. That's what you guys do the same thing. You don't answer the question. Well, that the the reason it's uh it's illegal because it it violates many laws, not compensatory storage law uh or constitutional right of taking property without due process of law. So, I want to be invited into the TEC because what you're doing, I don't say it's bad, it's really bad. It's also against your oath of office. All all of you, all of even uh Mr. Abati when he uh was uh you're in the Coast Guard, right?

Mr. Johnson, please talk about the appointments. Okay.

Okay. All right. Well, I thought I thought if he was a member of the armed forces like me and Mr. Cole, we took an oath of office to uh support the Constitution, United States, and you got to take also an oath of office and you're and you're violating it by flooding homes with these dams that are completely illegal. And you notice I just sent him sent a uh notice to FEMA regarding the same thing today and copied you. But I don't think you read my email. You probably didn't read my email that I I just said to you on the first time I was up here because that was the preface I was given. And what I read to you was what I wrote onto onto this to read to you. And I've done it. And yet what happens is that the freedom of speech is violated. So, um, thank you. All right. Byebye.

Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk. All right. City council. Member Nelson. Um, my choice would be to approve Hector Delgado, Michael, and John Nico. And I appreciate Kevin's work, but Mr. Nico has such a good resume that I don't think we can argue with it. So that would be my motion. I would second that motion and say that I do appreciate Kevin still serving as an alternate and value his input on that board.

So there's a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. City Manager.

So, moving on to item 6 C, Titusville Environmental Commission recommendation. At the November 12th, 2025 meeting, the TEC requested city council allow for two meetings a month. And this is not a budgeted item. And um by a six yes and one no vote, the motion passed. and they are requesting council consider going to TEC meetings twice a month. Thank you. City manager, city clerk. Uh yes, four cards. First is Laura Lee Thompson.

Laura Lee Thompson um Mims Florida. If you look at the city's GIS map of storm water pipes, you will see that some of them connect to wetlands. Some of them are at the end of streets. Some of them are in the middle of the block. Some of them go through people's yards. But there's all these pipes that are like going into various wetlands, little wetlands, big wetlands all throughout the city. The recent 15-in rainstorm that we had on October the 26th that caused so much flooding and so much heartache for our residents should drive home the importance of our wetlands. We use them to absorb and hold storm water. [snorts] Wetlands are valuable to our city's resilience. Yet, there are loopholes in the city's comprehensive plan in both the future land use and conservation elements. And there's no language there to protect wetlands less than 5 acres. These loopholes have been there since 2010. It's time to fix this mess. The TEC is working with the planning staff to address the issues in our comp plan language to ensure better protection for our wetlands. The TEC has made a reasonable request to hold two meetings a month to work on the wetlands language in the comp plan. And unfortunately that didn't come out in this in in the report on your agenda. But all we want is four meetings. That's it. January, February, March, and April. And the reason we want that is because we want to work on that that language because uh hopefully our legislators who have promised to fix some of the issues with Senate Bill 180 will keep their promise. And by the end of the legislative session, cities and ca and counties will be able to um resume resilience work in their communities. And we want to have our work done rather than waiting till

the end of the legislative session to start working on the um language for our comp plan. So we we feel like this is a reasonable request. We're only asking for four extra meetings. We're not asking for extra televised meetings. In fact, I don't care if you don't televise any of these meetings where we're talking about wetlands. That might be better. Um, I know it's not in the budget, but this matter is so important to our community. I will make a donation to the city to cover the staff time so that we can finally get this resolved. Thank you. Member Nelson,

I have a question. Lurley, what would happen if we added time to the regular meetings? Would that work? No, because it the we've had meetings that last till 9:30 at night and people by at at by the end of two two hours, everybody's burned out. You're you're just, you know, the longer you sit there, the more you can't think anymore. And so, that way, everybody will be fresh. But I'm I'm serious. I this is a really important matter for our city and I'll be happy to um help fund it because we we need to get this done and and having the meetings last until 9:30 10:00 at night is not it's not going to help. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you very much. I want to get through the rest of the cards before we get to discussion. Okay. I I just had a question for her. Yeah. I wanted to clarify. So after April, you guys would go back to one meeting? That's correct. I don't want I don't want to meet twice a month. Okay. We none of us do. Okay. We just we just want to get this done and um in a timely manner. Go ahead. Basic. Okay. Um my question is for both the city manager and you Laura Lee. That's not a question for Laura Lee. Well, it is because I was going to ask can we have can you have meetings have a sanctioned meeting every other week? One without staff. Um

no. No. But I mean, if it's if it's announced, they can have the meeting. We need staff. We we need their we need their input. Okay. Us meeting by ourselves, we you know, Mary knows what she's doing. We don't we we need help. Okay. Thank you, city clerk.

Mary Spar. Mary Spar Coco TEC has voted to ask for two meetings a month instead of one. Part of TEC's challenge with meeting just once a month is that they chose the comp plan wetlands language as a current big project, including understanding the language, spotting the loopholes that someone might try to use to their advantage, and clearing up the confusion in the language. TEC aims to send staff carefully considered recommendations for improvement to ensure that TEC's evaluation of the wetlands language is completed in a timely manner. I strongly support meeting twice a month for four months, January, February, March, and April of 2026. This really needs to happen. There's no doubt in my mind right now TEC is looking at the comp plan future land use element policies for conservation land use. Conservation land use policies basically apply to wetlands 5 acres and greater in size. I'm sure you realize how important these large wetlands are, including their capacity for flood water storage. Unfortunately, there are some ways people can get around the comp plan language and impact more acres of large wetlands than they should. TEC is starting to understand the loopholes and the confusing language and they are

starting to recommend some clarifications of the language. TEC is really dedicated and enthusiastic about their wetlands project. Please approve four months of meeting twice a month, January, February, March, and April of 2026. TEC can get their big project done before the summer with these extra meetings. Thank you. Thank you very much, city clerk. Are there any other cards?

Uh, yes, sir. Two more cards. Michael Mack. Good evening. Again, we think of wetlands as a as an issue, a singular nut, you know, something we can wrap our hands around. But, um, our wetlands are more important than I think many of us realize. And we saw a bit of it in um in the geocynch uh report, the vulnerability assessment report. This is the topology of our city. The red areas are the areas that are going to flood first. That's because they're the lowest and closest to ground to the ocean level. So these areas in between that we're talking about need a storm water place to reside simply put. And if we fill in small storm water areas then that's less groundwater being absorbed and more contributing to our lagoon. If you take a step back, it's not just the wetlands, it's the storm water. And if you take another step back, it's our resource for portable water. St. John's has already told us that by 2040, we're going to be 96 million gallons a day under our quota for what we need to service this area.

And we're part of that. And that's huge. And this is something they've been saying for a long time. I heard it back in 2005. So, storm water, sanitary sewer, portable water. It's one water. One water system. Our city has three separate managing ways of dealing with it. But it's one water for one city. And we have to rethink how we're moving storm water currently and putting it where it needs to go, which is into trees and into a reservoir for us. Both for saving our storm water from flooding and for restoring our surficial aquifers. Because the more fresh water we push into the ground, the better off we're going to be in the future. And making things like Royal Oaks into storm water parks, that's that's a no-brainer. Imagine what that's going to look like 30 years down the road with mature trees and a full wetland park and habitat. It'd be a jewel of any city in this county, this state. It would be unique. And so, it's something that we need to be thinking about how we manage these wetlands to the west and prevent them from continuing to dump under Baker subdivision and out to the lagoon. We have some serious things to fix and we have to do so with what two hours a month. That's why we need the extra time. We're asking for eight extra hours and then re-evaluate. But there's a lot more problems coming down the road. Just think about think of Mr. Jesse Wright and his leaking gas tanks.

City clerk. Thank Johnston. [snorts]

Uh I certainly support what Mike just uh shared with you uh wetlands and the storm water management plans we're having and our sustainability lack of sustainability. Let me say lack of sustainability. Not only that is I've repeatedly sent to uh uh Mr. Abati and uh Mr. uh Parish is that uh we we're not sustainable. Fun fact is is that the 2019 um report on resilient Titusville which which I have talked to about with Megan Muscoso is fraud is fraud. It's fraud and it's proven to be fraud and it's agreed to be fraud by human resources. Yet still we have sustainability issue and Mr. parish is there and and he what he has done is his he's put in a revision for the resilient Titusville to help this out because of the fraud that was committed by him Eddie and East Central Florida Regional Planning Council. He put it in and then he took it out and somebody took it out. I don't know who took it out.

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I can't imagine what in the world are you guys doing by having someone in your staff committing open and notorious fraud and then doing it twice on the same thing. Somebody did it twice. It's not been restored. So, as far as what what has this got to do with with uh TEC? The TEC is looking into all these things and we're talking about sustainability. My goodness, this is about storm water. is one of the big things that the sustainability we can't do it. We have we have set amount of water we can we can withdraw. I mean it's it it's not an an unending resource and it seems that your sustainability report relies on what a fantasy. It's a fantasy. So, you guys keep on doing it and and I don't know how you get away with it, but you do. And you're It seems like you're all joined together in this fantasy that we that we're sustainable with what we've got and uh storm water and dams and and uh uh and wetlands, it's not sustainable. We're losing it. Our butterflies, I think 90% of our our um monarch butterflies, they're gone. I don't know if they can I don't know why they don't aren't considered uh endangered species because they're on their way to that. Well, I appreciate you letting me uh share this with you and I also support just what um uh Mrs. Thompson had to share with you because uh they're working hard. They need your support. They're asking for very little and they work hard. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Clerk, is there anybody else? No, sir.

All right. Thank you very much. And uh what Laura Lee said was very spot-on about learning about what Tallahassee is going to do and what they're going to do and and uh so it would be my recommendation that we center these extra meetings around uh the legislative session when it's not in session because by the time it's in session, it's kind of too late as Sarah knows pretty well. So, I think it'd be good to do June, July, August, September, so we can see what they pass because while we're all hoping they fix SB 180, we don't know what they're going to do. And then it gives us an opportunity to dive into what they did and then we can get geared up for committee weeks in October as things begin to change. So, that would be kind of my recommendation as it seems like a lot of this centers around uh state legislation, St. John's, water management. So that was my thoughts. Member Nelson,

I was getting ready to make a motion to allow them the extra four meetings January through April 26. So that would be my motion. I'll second with discussion. There's a motion in a second. So there is discussion. U member Stokl.

Yes. Um no and I do get what you're saying. I do feel like I do have concerns that some of it might be a little too late. Um my request would be though to get started now because there already are bills that are happening and if we do grant this, my request would be to please look at the legislation. A new bill was just filed on water quality. Um and so the more that you guys can give us as a council will help at least from my perspective when I go to Tallahassee and when I'm talking to the delegation. um because the Florida League of Cities already jumped on that. They already signed up to speak in opposition of it. I I just I would value your input on some of the legislation as it's very timely. To the mayor's point, some of it could be too late. Um but I'm hopeful that maybe at least I can have some discussions where things could get amended. I do feel like there is a big push right now from Tallahassee on development and I wish that there could be more conversations about it. And every time I do have a conversation, it's everybody come to Florida. Everybody come to Florida. And the more stories that we can show of, hey, this is what's happening. Showing the pictures of the flooding and saying, no, we do want business here. We do want people here, but we need to make sure that we're not flooding our current residents and even the new people aren't going to be flooded out as well. So, I I would appreciate it if you guys are having these extra meetings is to really dive into that and give us some tangible items that we could share because really ultimately I think we're all on the same page trying to do what we can to protect our citizens. It can be challenging when we have state um preventing us from being able to do some of the things we want. And that's really where I personally feel like I need the most help right now.

Thank you, Member Stokel. Sorry, I started snickering. Herman got locked out of his computer and I just I couldn't help myself. I know, right? And again, my only con concern with the the meeting times is we're already have going to be have gone up there and come back before they even kind of get their second meeting up and running. You know what I mean? So yeah, to your point, like it'd be great to have people give us some some insights to to take up to Tallahassee, but if we're going up there in the legislative conference at the third or fourth week of January, might be a little dollar and, you know, short. So it's kind of why I was thinking, you know, look at the what happened, what they did, how we can learn from it, and how we can uh be better. Member Mscoso. Um yeah, I think it's exciting whenever we have our citizens that are so dedicated and they're asking for extra meetings. Um I think it's reasonable to ask for uh you know an additional four meetings. I I was just trying to think of all the great things TEC has done and things that we get to take. Um uh oftentimes I'll hear I heard I've heard Mayor Mayor Diesel and Mayor Connors um say we're the only city that you know has an LI ordinance or we have the tree ordinance or we have native landscaping um and now we're asking for better protections for our wetlands and all of that has generated from a lot of the members and our TEC. So I I want to keep the momentum. I think if you're asking for those meetings now, I think that there's a reason and part of what you guys do is you come up with ideas and things like that, but it also educates us. And so I think the more we can be educated at any point. Um I mean, we could delay it, but but I think it's important that we do it now. So I I would um agree with me Nelson's uh motion and I'd be happy to second it um to move forward with what was presented.

It's already it's already been second. Member Nelson. So the question what you're hoping is they can start earlier like December. I mean I don't I don't know if that's possible at this point. Is it possible? Sorry. Is it possible to start in December? We don't meet. Oh, okay. Well, that's out. Scheduling conflicts, right? It's always something. Vice Mayor Cole,

my my question I'm I'm kind of torn right now. I I I agree with the extra meetings, but uh I listened to Mayor Cares and I listened to Council Person Stokal and both made a lot of sense. And I I guess I would like to ask you which you would prefer because you're the ones that are asking for it. Mayor Carnes has said that because of the way the legislature works, it would be better to have it later in the year. And Councilwoman Stoko said that there are a lot of things that you can do in the beginning. So, I just need some help in helping me make a decision. And I don't care who answers.

I mean, it really doesn't need to be a 30-minute debate about this. I think we all support and I don't mean to dismiss any of the legislative issues because there are plentiful and many.

What we're addressing right now is our own code of ordinances and loopholes in our own code. There's that's where the problem lies right now. We started to close some loopholes and get an understanding. We had four that we wanted to attack at the last meeting. We were there for three and a half hours. We got two. And I would say the second one we just tapped on and that's when we realized the depth and the scope of what we're asking for to be done in two hours a month for the I mean when do you want to solve the problem? We need to we need to do this now. If this is number one this is what we need to be focusing on. I don't know about the legislature. I know about our city and I know what our needs are and I know how much time it's going to take us to hash this through. So if you want good work, we need the time and we need the effort.

Thank you, Mr. Magic. Does that that answer your question? Thank you, sir. Thank you. Well, and I I think there's many issues with many of codes in our book of ordinances. I mean, future land use, storm water, all that stuff. But by the way, you should dive into the taxation section of our code. It's very interesting. Member Stokel.

Yes. Um, my concern is, and I do appreciate that, is if we are making these decisions or you guys are proposing things that are just referencing our code, is if we are not doing that at the same time with seeing what's happening in Tallahassee, it could be a complete waste of time because the state is coming in and preempting so many items right now. So, if this were to go forward, we would need somebody either from TEC or staff that can address the legislative side. That is my fear. Your connection to us on TEC is through Lily on staff. So all you would need to do is make a recommendation, a question. What about this? What do you think about that? And it'll be on our agenda. Okay.

And then we'll ask for another meeting. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Well, there's a motion and there's a second on the floor of uh allowing the TC to meet twice in January, February, March, and April. Is there any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I.

All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. We're now at the petitions and request section of our meeting. Non-aggenda items. You have the floor, sir. Good evening. This is my 12th meeting regarding the disturbing very loud truck at 583 Gardinia Circle. Has anybody in this room been awakened the past 21 months 3 and a half hours early every day? Anybody? Mr. Ray, please direct your

Okay. Yeah.

To the council. Thank you. [snorts] So far, you have refused any help even though I have repeatedly cited your own codes, ordinances, statutes, and Florida law. I hear you talking about water resources, ordinance, statutes. That's wonderful. I heard the word protection of citizens. This affects my health and safety. [snorts] If if I'm not mistaken, you were voted in by citizens of Titusville, get a salary, and yet last meeting I attended, you told me to quote, "Take it to court" unquote. Why do you refuse to remedy a situation that affects my health and safety and falls within your enforcement? Is it because the truck owner has bragged to me that he is quote friends with the cops unquote? Is he related to a cop? Is this why this keeps happening? Do renters in Titusville have more rights than people paying property taxes? Do you have more rights than me? I'd bet a fortune that none of you, including Mr. Laauo, who's not here tonight, would be putting up with this as long as I have. You limit our time to three minutes, except for apparent, friends, or family from what I've seen before. Any thoughts of you limiting your responses on issues you discussed to say five minutes and allowing people at the podium to have five minutes each. Sampoint Park restrooms have been

routinely excuse me closed well prior to dusk. How will it play out for the city if someone in a wheelchair can't make it to Cumberland Farms in a timely fashion? Every year after the holidays, the mayor routinely speaks at the homeless memorial service, allegedly honoring all people who've passed on the streets in Titusville. Law enforcement officials have repeatedly been on the agenda to speak, but for years that I've gone there. They have been no shows. Thank you.

Mr. Johnson, want me to speak now? Well, I'm assuming you would like to say something in your petitions or request.

I would like to. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, I'll read to you what I sent you in the mail November the 22nd that I was reading to you at the very beginning that I was. So, it said freedom of religion and other was excluded. Under your jurisdiction, talking about Titusville police, uh, Titusville City government, the TPD have harassed me and threatened, assaulted, falsely arrested, falsely jailed, and destroyed numerous public records of my arrest. Furthermore, [snorts] the TP TPD have invaded and violated the sanctity of my work, home, family, church, and freedom of religion. I and others do not feel safe at home. And then it says, I request that you desist your harassment and obey your oath of office, our constitution, and laws, and protect the health, safety, and welfare of the public. Then I wrote on what uh our clerk has. I wrote what I read to you before about uh uh uh suing you for freedom of speech. So that's what I had there. So um what it's important to do now is to to to think about our wisdom that we talked about in the very beginning of this meeting. And so I bring to some prayer. So our prayer my prayer to you tonight is Lord I pray for our wisdom, truth and justice in our city. Our city is one of the most foolish city cities on earth that builds dams that flood floods homes. And everyone says amen. So what I've talked to you about before was a fantasy. You guys are on a fantasy. And so what I'd request you to do is something very simple. I I'm going to read this to you. I request and challenge for our city to have any one of your many professional engineers to dispute the fact that the ti that Titusville has illegally approved the design and

construction of two dams at the senior center that flood properties and homes. Let me read that again. I'm challenging you for any any one of your professional engineers. You've got you've got over five of them come and say that Stan Johnson is wrong. And here's what I'll read again. I request and challenge the city of Titusville to have anyone of your many professional engineers to dispute the fact that Titusville has illegally approved the design and construction of two dams at the senior center that flood properties and in and homes. By the way, by the way, today I sent to to you a copy of what today I sent to FEMA that says that you guys are committing fraud and scams on this dam. That's what I sent to FEMA today and I sent it to your email and you didn't read my email apparently because I'm saying the city of Titusville is in a fantasy and you're living scams and fraud in this event of putting dams that are flooding homes on Temple Drive. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Johnson. You're welcome. Any for petitions and requests? Non-aggenda items. Seeing none, moving on. City manager Sir, moving on to consent agenda. We have eight items on the agenda for tonight. Any member of council wishes to pull a consent item for discussion. Member Nelson, I don't necessarily want to pull C, but I would like to have some clarification. For which one? C. C. I think that's Miss Andy. What clarification would you like?

What are we doing? Oh, so this um this is professional engineering service for the construction of um a project over at Morning Dove that's been going on for over five years. The project was originally supposed to only be I think two to three years and it's just extended. So it's just because we have an SRF loan, the the professional the engineering of engineer record needs to do certified payroll for the SRF loan. And even though we're not being charged by the construction company for the ongoing issues until we can get the startup, the professional engineer still needs to do that. They're what they're doing monthly. So hopefully we are going to be done soon. Okay. Thank you, Member Mscosa.

Um yeah, I did have some questions on this item if that's okay. Um there's been a big jump. Um I mean I think that's probably what you're referring to. Um it started at uh 590,000 93,000 and now we're up to 937,000 with all of these uh amendments. So we're asking for an additional 76,000 just so that everybody is it's kind of aware. So the engineering contract I mean this is just for engineering is that correct? Has doubled in how many years? Five I think the engineering started in 2017 the construction started in 2020. And did we not um project that it would cost this much?

No, that was back before public works was involved, but I can guess they didn't expect the construction to last this long. But I mean, this is only going for engineering. This isn't going I mean, if we're looking back at I think it's 8A where we talk about 1.3 million for the morning dove facility. Are those two connected? No. This was a project that was approved back in 2017 about 5 million in construction cost. So this is full design, preliminary design, bidding, permitting, construction administration assistance with securing the SRF loan. That's what Wright Pierce has got paid for on a roughly $5 million construction project.

I just don't I don't get how we're a half a million dollars off. I understand things will prices will change and perhaps there's more, but it's every year they're coming back for another 75,000. Um, so I'm just really curious about that part. And do we have other projects that the sim a similar thing is happening with and we don't know because we don't often see the whole picture. We just get it presented to us at each meeting. And so I'm just curious, this seems for me this is a big red flag. Are there other projects that uh that are coming to us as well where we're approving all these amendments, but it ends up being this big chunk of money?

No, the only other one that had extension on the SRF related project was any force main which did have to extend for additional period of time because contractor left. Yeah. Unfortunately for SRF loans, there are pieces that we don't we're not capable of doing as staff.

We don't do the Davis Bacon Act qualifications as we are not the engineer records. they have to sign off on a final certificate. So these consultants are required to continue their service because that last piece to sign off on the operation of this equipment DP staff cannot sign the engine record must sign it. So that's when the hold up on this particular project is I think they're on startup number six of this piece of equipment. The contractor is no longer getting paid to work the project, but he's still got to finish it. But the consultant is still waiting to be able to sign a final certificate of completion that the the project is done and in operation. So that's the if you see the running totals basically amendment one was adding was way back but the last two have been due to extension of time. So as they've added years to the contract they've had to we've had to pay right peers to stay on staff and they come monthly

and I mean why is it typical for a project like this to last eight years?

Uh it could be uh this one I can't answer to you the front end of because we weren't there for the front end. We've been dealing with the back end of it. By the time we got control of water resources, the project was already in startup. Uh it's taken them two years to actually get the piece of equipment into startup mode that the manufacturer will turn over. U so that's been um most of our big construction doesn't take that long being our project didn't overrun by that that that duration. Any river overran for about 18 months total once it's finally said and done. But for the most part, these big turnkey ones have not been this long duration. And I'd say in the last couple years since public works has been involved, we've asked the engineer engineers, our engineers to look at these post con these during construction, post construction services because they were doing they were they were having them fund them at the beginning of design and I think we've been reducing the cost of them significantly on a lot of the projects moving forward. This is just a legacy project that kind of has to keep going. And after the the project ends, will you do kind of an analysis of what what went well? What I mean what could change because uh I think that's important. That's half a million dollars that I don't think was budgeted. Um because we you didn't expect it to extend to this point and I know you guys weren't involved in the very beginning of it. So I'm not trying to push blame over there. I'm just trying to understand

how we can do better next time. Until this amendment, everything was within the budget of the project. uh the surf loan ended a few months ago. So we now are funding this out of a current project. Previously it was funded within the project of the surf loan and being recovered through the surf loan process. Okay. So this will be the first amendment that wasn't covered in the original project's budget. Uh and yeah, we'll be looking back to see what happened whether it was a performance bond that should have been pulled earlier. You know, the number of pieces and parts that could have been done differently. Okay. Thank you. Member Stokel.

Yes. Just to clarify off of that, that was kind of my question was so the amendments that happened prior were because of timing. So when we're talking about like it seems like it could be close to a half a million dollars over budget, that's may not be correct because it was budgeted. It was just amended because of the timing. Is would that be accurate? Up until this one, it was within SRF loan budget. Yes.

Okay. And then just a procedures question. when we sign contracts for a project, um are they locked into that pricing? So, we have some assurance that we know, okay, they cannot go over this amount that we awarded it to them because they perhaps were the lowest bidder or do they have that right to say, oh, actually, we messed up. We actually needed this or we didn't include this. What do you guys want to do?

Depends on which side. So, the construction side, they they do a low bid. They're locked to that price. doesn't mean you can't have a change order, unforeseen circumstances, uh change of materials, interpretation of plans. On the consultant side, they're locked into their rates per hour. They're not locked into a service fee and they're not bid because the person doing construction administration is the engineer record. So, this has been a a work order they had from the very beginning of this project. So, they're locked on their hourly rates actually on an old contract. They don't get to benefit from the hourly rates that have adjusted to new contracts. So they're still working off of a now expired contract at this point. They're locked to those hourly rates. Their tasks are dependent upon the contractor's work progress. So when they come on a monthly site visit, the longer the project goes, they're paid to come monthly with an SRF rep go over the site. They're going to get basically the same hours that they were going to get throughout this process.

But that's they weren't that's not a low bid. The professional service can't do a bid. You have to do it by a qualification. and they were awarded the contract many years ago. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Seeing no items being pulled, uh, city manager, you want to read them for the record, please?

Yes, sir. I'll go ahead and read the titles of the eight items for the record. 8A resolution number 21-2025 declaring its official intent to reimburse itself from future taxes up financing for capital improvements within the city's water and sewer system. 8B child car seat safety program use of restricted funds. 8C amendment number six with Wright Pierce Incorporated for the morning dove water treatment plant. 8 D, Special Event Road Closure, Titusville Christmas Parade, December 13, 2025. 8E, Victims of Crimes Act, VOCA Grant, fiscal year 2026 award. 8F Tisville Police Department 911 Center Training Funds $33,627 $33,62759 8G task order with ACOM not to exceed $150,000 for the feasibility assessment of converting 6350 Horizon Drive to the Titus Police Department TPD headquarters and the emergency operations center and 8H Florida Department of Transportation FDOT safety enhancements in the downtown Titusville.

Thank you, city manager, city clerk.

Uh, yes, sir. One card, Stan Johnston, for seven of the items. Uh, A, C, D, E, F, G, H. I begin with the preface that I I've read to you, I've sent to you on uh November the 22nd and I didn't have any comments and so I give you again the same pre preface without without reading it. So um uh what has happened? I'm not sure what you just did, but you had a discussion of of um 8C about Wright Pierce Incorporated. So why didn't I get to discuss three minutes on that when y'all discussed it?

The item was not pulled. There was just questions of staff.

Huh. Okay. Well, let let me speak a little bit about this one. Is that uh um um Mr. U Cook is u I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he does it. He took over Sean Staer's um position of uh storm water and uh water uh and sewer and water resources and at the same time was public works director. I told him I pretty much told him he was crazy. I didn't use the word crazy, but he's working himself to death. And uh I think you just saw from his what he told you about this item uh 9B, no 9 C is that uh it's it's it has been it's been bungled and he doesn't know all about it. But I want you to understand that Sean Staer, you see this right here? Sean Staer was in charge of this and I went and talked to him in 2012. He never even saw it. He never even heard about the stormwater master plan. He was in charge of it. Mr. Christopher has bungled on so many things. He's cost the city millions of dollars and he's taking his place. Mr. Cook is taking the place. I want you to give him some slack. I want you to praise him because he's doing a job that who wants it. I don't imagine how he could ever want that job. He could get much much more money working out the cake. And let me share something something else about this is that Mr. what Mr. Staler did. He's committed fraud and he committed with Mark Ryan. If you want, if somebody wants to talk to Mark Ryan about it, fraud, him, him and another engineer was the one who who approved this dam that floods people's property. I'm talking about the dam that we have right now flooding flooding uh Tipple. He approved it and it's illegal. It's a fantasy.

And I told you I opposed it when? 40 years ago. in 1985 with other people including Mayor Tom Tom Mariani and Jim Ball. They actually they didn't oppose it. They asked the questions, "What are you going to do when you put these dams? Aren't you going to flood these flood these people's property?" And guess what the answer was from staff? Silence. They never answered the question. In the last 40 years, they still haven't answered the question. And you guys still won't answer the question. And you won't even get a professional engineer to answer that question. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. That's horrible. All right. Can I have a motion to approve consent?

Move to approve consent. Agenda items A through H. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. Member Mscoso? Yes. Member Nelson? Yes. Mayor Connor? Yes. Vice Mayor Cole? Yes. Member Stole? Yes. Motion approved. Thank you very much, city manager. Sir, moving on to 9A of the ordinance is second reading and public hearing. This ordinance number 40-2025 and our code enforcement manager will read the title ordinance for the record and answer any questions.

Good evening. Ordinance number 40-2025, an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances to increase reporting on properties holding mortgages in default from annually to bianually by amending sections 13109 registration of real property mortgage holding mortgages in default providing for servability conflicting ordinances incorporation into the code in an effective date. And I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Glenn. City clerk, any cards? No, sir. Thank you very much. City council, any discussion or want to make a motion?

Move to member Nelson. Sorry. Move to approve ordinance number 40-2025 um to increase the reporting on properties holding mortgages. Second. City attorney. Was the motion good? I think so. Okay. I was just [laughter] making sure cuz you looked at him and he looked at you and I was just like, "Hey guys, Right. Sorry for Sorry. I'm just body language." Do we not have to do the public hearing? All right. I have a motion in a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. Member Nelson.

Yes. Mayor Connor. Yes. Vice Cole. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Mscoso. Yes.

Motion carries. Thank you very much. City manager. Sir. Moving on to 9B. Ordinance number 41-2025. The public zoning ordinance. This also the second reading and the final public hearing. And our community development director will read the ordinance and be available for any questions. Ordinance number 41-2025, an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances to include nonprofit and non-governmental organizations working for the public welfare to the purpose in the public public zoning district and to add permitted and limited uses in the public P zoning district by amending sections 28-238 community centers 28-239 community service 28-240 convention center 28-26 vocational school and 28-323 public p providing for grandfather provisions severability repeal of conflicting ordinances incorporation of the code and an effective date. I've given a short presentation on this zoning on this uh change to our zoning code at the last hearing. Uh there have been no changes since so I'll try and answer any questions you have.

Thank you very much Mr. Parish. City clerk, are there any cards on this matter? Uh yes, two cards. The first is Stan Johnston. I'd like to let her speak first. Jessica Castle. Hello.

Hi. Um, can I address this? Okay. I'm a little short. Thank you. Okay. So, um, I'm here on behalf of the the Gibson Center that this ordinance is for. Um, I mean, we do amazing work over there with local entrepreneurs and being able to give them a place to stop cooking out of their homes and come into our facility and give uh the community a healthy uh meal in the sense of, you know, we're not, you know, eating something out of grandma's kitchen and that's being sold on the side of the road, which there's several people selling food off the side of the road. We don't know where any of that food comes from. However, we're providing a clean, safe kitchen where they're learning how to uh be entrepreneurs in their business. We're teaching them uh you know, not only, hey, this is a great place to come and sell serve your food, but how do you manage your cost? Um and we're creating entrepreneurs within the city. Um and giving them that opportunity that they otherwise wouldn't have had um so they can, you know, eventually progress into owning a food truck and all those things. Not only that, but we also um let them, you know, serve the the community, serve uh the members that are in the area and the members of the facility as well. On top of that, um you know, we also are a budding place for entrepreneurs to come in and uh learn about business and have a place to go that they can come in there and you know, utilize the facility to uh bring their clients in and then it's an inexpensive uh use for them as well. I mean, there's literally nowhere on this planet that you can go and um use a facility for $40 a month. It just doesn't exist. And so, we're providing that for the community. And this is kind of our last uh roadblock in the way to being able to provide um these opportunities for members of our community. I'm done, I think.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

And Stan Johnston. Stan Stan Johnson. I've worked at soup kitchens and so forth a number throughout the city. Not a whole lot, not this one, but uh I uh uh have worked on Saturdays and so forth, breakfast at at Methodist Church. And uh I'm supporting what Jessica has to say. And uh uh I think that this this is something that we need to support. We need to support our people. and and maybe I can go have Thanksgiving over there because I don't have plans yet. But uh here's here's what I meant to say is um I meant to begin with my preface. So each time I speak is my preface. You already have the preface. I'm not repeating it. So you have my preface about what's going on and freedom of speech and so forth. So, um uh you have my support for this this um what just what Jessica needs to continue her her work. Any questions?

Sounds good to me. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Um I think it's an important uh distinction to make. I mean, they're operating a vocational school on this Pzoning district. And I think that was kind of the intent was anywhere that we have Pzoning. While it is and should be protected for the public use, I think we can be a little bit more creative in how we allow that use to transpire so that maybe there is a business incubator one day. Who knows? Vocational school is a great example. Um, member Stokal.

Yes. No. Um, I like it too. My question was for Brad if um I was looking through it and I think there were looks like there were some portions where it was limited and then others permitted. Um, are there any unintended consequences that you can think of with us passing this that we should be aware of? Drafting this ordinance, we tried to anticipate those issues. So, we feel confident with this ordinance as written. Okay. Um, I can't I can't guarantee that there may be a particular use that may come to us if it may be a question, but that's why we'll come back to you with an amendment. Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

And Brad, while you're at it, I'll take the lottery numbers. I'm assuming you don't have a crystal ball. It's so hard when I'm writing these things. Member Moscow.

Yeah. Um, thank you. Um, I see it says uh grandfather provisions. Um, but it doesn't really explain what is protected and how this applies to the nonprofits that are already there. So, is that defined? What what is going to be grandfathered into this? So basically what that's trying to address is that what is uh already existing can continue if it is found to be non-conforming later. Um if we need to address that we can come back to you an amendment to this ordinance though. But that's basically my understanding.

Would it be helpful for it to be defined? So if the non-conforming uses that we have already like for that to be laid out.

So we do have other code sections that address scenarios like that. So, if a use is considered to be um was legally permitted but found to be non-conforming as a result of a resoning or a change of the code, then it can continue on. Um but if it does lose its non-conformity forforming status, that would mainly happen as a result of the business closing or the a closing and after a certain amount of time it loses its status. that does happen sometimes and that's part of what we try to address is um where we try to find were those unintended consequences. So we didn't anticipate that when we drafted this ordinance. We didn't believe that there was going to be an issue but again there could be that one instance that may come and that's if we discover that then we'll have to come back to you for to rectify it.

Okay. Thank you Mr. Parish. How many public zoning districts do we have? Well, we have one zoning district, but there's several properties that are zoned public.

Uh, schools are zoned public. The Gibson Center is zoned public. Um, and I know there are several other public institution owned properties that are zoned public as well. Uh, but we have noticed that there have been uh like the school district allows their properties to be their school properties to be used for nonprofits. Uh whereas the zoning district right now as written states that it is supposed to be for a publiclyowned agency or entity. So it's questionable to whether even a nonprofit would be allowed there. That's not a public agency. Uh so this is supposed to rectify that. Thank you, Mr. Parish. City clerk to call the cards. Yes, sir.

All right. Thank you very much. City Council move to approve ordinance number 412025 public zoning ordinance. Second. Have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. Mayor Connors. Yes. Vice Mayor Cole. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Mscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. City manager.

Sir, we have no items under ordinances. First reading. Moving on to old business. We have one item and that is the Post [clears throat] North Boulevard economic development zone economic development strategy and we're looking for council's definitive guidance on two issues. One, the EDO governance process and also some guidance on utilizing funding sources. As you recall back on November 13th, we held a workshop to discuss this and and our economic development director gave a presentation decision was made to defer any definitive guidance until such time as we had a full council which we do now. So, uh this is the follow on to that workshop and our economic development director is here to answer any questions.

Mr. G. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, councel. Um, thank you for the opportunity to provide brief summary on the presentation that I gave on November 13th. Um, that presentation laid out a clear strategy for the city to continue managing the economic development, what we would do after the dissolution of the North Bard economic development zone. Tonight, just run through it really quick. uh give you kind of some um high level just what was covered and then I'm here to answer any questions that you may have. Uh first was the purpose of the plan um and that the responsibility for economic development now rests fully within the city of Titusville. Uh this creates an opportunity to realign the our approach so that it's entirely locally controlled um that it's transparent and that it's accountable to the priorities that are set by council. Um the strategy presented would establish a long-term but more specifically a performance-based model that ensures that every dollar invested um drives measurable results for our residents and the businesses. The uh the second thing that I went over was the the governance structure. Um on that governance structure that I I had proposed the creation of a city-based economic development organization overseen by a seven member board. Um each council member would appoint one director and two at large members would be selected by council from candidates that would be presented by the uh chamber of commerce. So minimum of five candidates provided by the chamber, two at large um selected by council. The executive director would be appointed by the city manager that would ensure alignment with the city administration and consistent oversight. Uh and that structure was all put together to preserve uh transparency. There would be quarterly reporting, independent audits. All of that would

still allow the organization to operate uh with the speed and responsive uh responsiveness that economic development requires. The programs I recommend five different uh core areas to focus. Um first one being business recruitment and marketing that would focus on attracting aerospace, defense, advanced manufacturing and logistics companies by promoting our proximity to KSC available [snorts] sites and infrastructure advantages. Second is workforce training and talent development um which would strengthen our partnerships through the schools, colleges and the employers to ensure that we were um making sure our residents are prepared for the jobs that we're working to attract. Uh next one is site readiness and infrastructure grant program and that would be used to uh make infrastructure improvements on sites to expedite the process from land right now to actually getting on the tax role. The uh the fourth one that we covered, small business and entrepreneurship support, uh offering technical assistance, access to capital resources, um and helping our local companies grow, but not only grow here, but stay here. And fifth is um catalyst redevelopment sites. So, focusing on underutilized properties uh and doing whatever necessary to get those ready for development back on the tax roll. The the next thing I cover was the the funding approach as well as the accountability measures. Um plan recommends establishing a onetime $500,000 seed fund that would launch early programs supported by annual appropriations which would be approved during the budgeting process by council. Additional tools could include um a 20-year tax increment financing district, FPL franchise fee set aides from new developments that come online, and then an aggressive pursuit of state,

federal, and private grants. Accountability is built in to all this from the start. Um the organization will report measurable outcomes, jobs created, capital investment secured, permitting efficiency, workforce placements, um and return on the investments. So those would be reported to council on a quarterly basis. And last thing that was covered was the phased implementation and the long-term vision. Strategy has three phases. first starting off as a city focused and ran organization then transitioning over to a public private EDO and in the long haul eventually ending up on a private EDO. That transition was estimated over a 10 to 20 year frame but there's key indicators that I've laid out that would show that each organization is ready for the next phase. Um no progression would be made to the next phase without approval by council. Um also without hitting those milestones. So, uh, in closing, that gives Titusville kind of a clear and responsible path forward. Um, this was really designed to have oversight with council. Um, and again, going through the process of annual budgeting. Um, I think if the metrics are there, then it makes that process a lot easier. So, that's everything I have here. I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.

Thank you, Mr. G. Vice Mayor Cole. Uh I think we discussed at the last meeting about and maybe you covered it and I missed it. The to have the qualifications for people that we would like to see on the board. I have I think it was attached on the agenda. It's in there. It's in there. The last attachment your agenda. All right. I missed it. Okay. Gotcha.

Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Member Mscoso. Um, thank you. So, would if we go with the option that you've uh recommended, would there be an audit built in? Because that was kind of my um concern with inbeds is there wasn't a city audit or a county audit and so would that be part of um this plan? Yes. Okay. Thank you,

Member Nelson. And I think my concern was I was hoping we could have a pool of applicants and that as a council we choose the five people. Sort of like when we chose the attorney we ranked them who's number one, who's number two, who's number three and proceed like that. So hopefully we get the most qualified.

Thank you, Member Nelson. Sounds like we have all different little nitpicky things that you know we we want to form up, but I think um I just want to get a general consensus if this general framework and we can work out the details u makes sense for everybody. Member Stokl.

Yes, thank you and thank you for postponing the decision till I could get back. Um I did watch the meeting and then I also met with Nick and Brad. Um I'm fine with it. I did express some of my concerns to them on a couple things. um one uh if we move forward one, you know, we would be starting out with taxpayer dollars that would so I want to be really intentional on um us having a say in what types of businesses that we are willing to give out grants to incentivize to come here. So that's that's my number one thing. If we're going to do this, um I I do want us to have oversight over that. And then two, um, I just think, and that maybe it's to member Mscos's point with the audit, just being very mindful and intentional. I don't want the funds to just sit there. I think starting out, it might need some momentum to get going. So, I do think we'll need some time, but I really want us to stay on top of it and that we don't find ourselves in a situation where we're just giving it out because we have it there and it's just going to maybe I think this is a real opportunity for us to say, you know, this is the vision, the direction that we as a city want to go in. We don't just have to accept anybody and everyone um and really have a say on what we want our city to look like. So, that that's my number one thing. And then just being mindful with the funds and as the states coming and really, you know, you have doze, you have the talk about elimination of property taxes. I do anticipate us getting cuts. I I I just feel like that will happen. So, I just want us to be very mindful of that. So, anything that we are putting out or wanting to fund um we just need to be like on top of it. But I I overall it was a great presentation. I appreciate the thoroughess. Um, and then as we move forward, and I know we talked about this, like looking toward, you know, the FPL franchise fee and then that kind of going in. So, it's being funded by those businesses that benefited from it. Um, more so.

Thank you, members. And um you know to your point I think it's important to be intentional in by giving a small grant for infrastructure to help a business come in so that therefore we don't have to necessarily give the property taxes away because um if they are cutting property taxes to homesteaded properties that basically leaves the non-homesteaded properties that we really need to capitalize on for revenue for our city. So, if we can not give away the farm with the property taxes and give it an enducement grant, um that that I think will generate a larger return on investment, so to speak. So, um I agree with that. I said having more tools in your toolkit allows you to have to mitigate having to use the one that you have. Mhm.

Um, so yeah, taxpayers of Titusville and voters of Titusville voted a resounding over 70% for the advorum property tax abatement for inducement of businesses. So instead of having to use that tool, if we can use another one, uh, that would generate revenue for our city.

Member Mscosa. Um, I would agree with members so about having a bit of oversight of what businesses we kind of got that groundwork laid for us with the um, East Central is it regional planning organization where they said like these are the kind of businesses we have and we need to attract like businesses and so I I also understand the importance of having pad ready sites and how important that is. However, I think one of the last um or one of the ones that Inbeds gave to was they made the on 50 that that site was pad ready and they gave maybe $300,000 um for the infrastructure there which was great but if you I drove by today and it's it says a Chase bank is coming. So you have a Chase bank, a truest bank and a vicear right there and that's where our funding went to. And so for me, I was in that meeting and kind of was like I mean I wasn't a voting member so I couldn't really do anything but I think it would be good to have a little bit of oversight. Although like it might clear up some blight in those areas. We need to think long term and having three banks right next to each other. I mean we hear complaints about that all the time and often we can't do anything but if we're actually actively giving away money for that I think we have to be careful.

U Mr. figure out. Did you you put any parameters in there of what level of grant would needed to be made before it came before council for approval because I believe with the zone there was uh various different levels of approval depending on the dollar amount. Correct. So that that actually hasn't been determined yet. The the first step is establishing a governance structure in the board. Um once that's put together then the board would convene and we would put all that together bring back to be adopted. Thank you very much. All right. So, I'm looking for a motion to move forward. Member Nelson. So, do are you looking for a motion?

Yes. Okay. So, you want a motion to establish a post inbeds strategy. Does that do it? I I would recommend on page four or five of your packet, you'll see the recommendations. Yeah,

the first action it would be two different actions. One is the organization itself [clears throat] and the way we've laid it out in A throughE um if you concur with that we'll come back with you with more specifics on how that works minus how the members will be appointed. We'll we've heard you on how you would like to see that done. So we'll come back to you with the with the instrument that will set that up. All right. Uh member, so basically you're looking for a motion to establish an EDO governance governance and board. Correct.

We're looking for uh motion to establish the economic development organization governance and board appointment process with the following A through E. Um my you know with obviously the amendment of how the members will be appointed. Okay. So that would be my motion with the amendment to A being that we appoint them as a group. Okay. Okay. Second. City clerk. Are there any cards? H. Yes, sir. One card. He's Dan Johnston. All right. Trying to jump in.

My name is Stan Johnson. I think that the uh former organization about using these funds he's taken off uh has been uh I have not had problems with it because part of you I don't understand it. U the uh um my preface is the same as what I've began in the beginning on the email that I sent you on November 22nd. I'll just read a part of it. It talks about my findings of outrageous dishonesty and corruption. I have concerns about whether you guys are able and qualified to handle this. I really am. I mean, just tonight I had what what h has happened here is I explained to you the fraud and dishonesty of Mr. Parish, you still here? Fraud and dishonesty of of Mr. Staffer and number a number of members of your staff. And I also asked you the question about please have a professional engineer to tell me that I'm wrong about the plotting by the dam and that it's a responsibility of the city.

Mr. Johnson, please get that. This is what I'm talking about. Your your inadequacy and negligence and whether you're capa capable of doing it because you guys are living in a fantasy and what you just admitted to. You just admitted to the your guilt of flooding. Mr. Johnson, you're cautioned. We're talking about economic development board. You're cautioned about uh completely taking away my freedom of speech and you interrupt me. You take my time. I'm not pleased with it. You don't need to do that. And I will sue you and I'll win just like I've done before. Just when you understand, we just went through the Supreme Court won a decision. All right, Mr. Johnson, have a seat.

I was just talking to you. Okay, I'm going to sit down and you again. You again. What' you do? You took my freedom of speech and none of you even Muscoso never objected. All right. Thank you. All right. So, I have a motion. I have a second. Member Muscoso.

Sure. Um I I like the idea of appointing, but um if it's possible, and I think Carmen did mention um that we would do a ranking system. So, I I would agree as long as we can do a ranking system um and then make sure that we would know um you know, I know that I know that we had some really experienced people on that board. I just want to make sure that we've um let other people know so that we're kind of open. There might be other ideas out there as well. Um of course with the qualifications. So just making sure we have those dates of when we will be voting on that and the information out. Thank you.

Thank you mcco. Mr. Gao, is there estimated timeline of when we would even bring this back before us? Like it's government. So what? 6 months, 10 months, year to be determined. Thank you. Yeah, we definitely need to bring this back to through the budget process. Yeah. All right. Any other questions, discussion? All right. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. G.

The second action is is two same page. Now, funding mechanism. So, we're going to based on your last discussion, there are some things in here you did not want to consider and some things you did want to consider. So, we want to suggest to you

that your motion would state utilize the following potential funding sources or combination as desired by city council or utilize the following and then select which ones you believe we should look into and bring back to you. And what I heard from your last meeting was A, B, D, and E. That's on page four or four of your packet. City Council, if I may, I think we should look into all available funding situations and let them come back with a plethora of different so we're not just putting all of our eggs in one basket. And I think

I was just going to say we did have a a tiff set up and it's still established via ordinance. Um so I think that is something that needs to be considered and weighed as we look forward and and move forward. So member Nelson, you are next. I agree. I think we were talking about TIFF and we had questions about it and using it and if it was still in existence blah blah blah. I don't think it was we didn't want to use it. What we can

what we can do if you approve this motion that includes that we'll look at all these tools come back to you with specifics as to what we'd recommend. Right. And if the tiff is in existence, we'll tell you that. If not, we'll tell you that's not in existence. And what the hurdles would be for what process would be to establish if that is your desire. Okay, that would be my desire. Is that a motion? That can be a motion. All right. Is there a second? Second. Have a motion. I have a second. Members still. Yeah. I don't think I'm a fan of the tiff, but I'm willing to uh look into it to see what it Yeah. I mean, we're very big fans of our CRA.

All right, I'm gonna tell Sue you said that. All right, so I have a motion and I have a second for the staff to get back with different funding sources of how we can place this up. All I almost I almost said it. I almost said it. Say clerk. Oh. Uh, thank you for I just want to verify um for the motion number two, you're approving the utilization of the potential funding sources and I know A through E are specified. Which ones are your all of them? Okay. Thank you. Yeah, Mr. Johnson, did you put a card in for this?

I have not only do I have a card, but I also have a card for anything. I know. And I almost called the vote, but then I remembered right as I was saying it, and that's why I stopped.

Thank you for remembering. But the the uh my preface to this is be the same pre preface as I've had for the November the 22nd um uh saying is that u um I'm [snorts] I'm speaking for with um problems that involving the city and in corruptions and dishonesty. But on this one, I don't I I don't want to I won't take my three minutes. What I'm going to say is that uh I'm disappointed in what just happened is that my uh time was taken away. A minute and 20 seconds was taken away and I'll I'll leave soon. But um I think you're going about the wrong way and you you're the city is rewarding dishonesty and fraud. It's not I mean rewarding dishonesty and fraud here and the other one please is it's a bad choice. Bad choice. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. All right, I have a motion and I have a second. The cards have been called. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you again, Mr. Parish, Mr. G. City manager. Yes, sir. Moving on to item 12, new business. 12A is the selection of a vice mayor and the action is to nominate and select a vice mayor. Thank you very much, city clerk. Are there any cards?

Uh, yes, sir. Stan Johnston card. [snorts] Um the U selection of a of the uh of the vice mayor is is going to be a difficult situation especially considering what just happened here at this council meeting. In [snorts] other words, what happened was is if this was in court, you would have the big problem is you've just admitted guilt that all five of you have admitted by not having a professional engineer to to disagree with my findings of of flooding of properties by the dams that city approved. You you admitted of the guilt of the city of Titusville. You did it. There's no question about it. So, I will be going to uh you know, you got advice, mayor, but I'll be going to uh St. John's River Water Management District December the 9th, telling of your fraud.

You're not on topic. Well, so the people you select, what do you have to select from people who have all five of you apparently me have been completely dishonest. So, you're going to have a a difficult decision. So I don't I don't have any sympathy for you for what you're doing rewarding people with for fraud. It's not good. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Clerk, are there any other cards? Yes, sir. All right, member Nelson. So, I think our vice mayor is doing a great job and my suggestion or my motion would be that we not let him run away.

I would second that for uh Vice Mayor Cole to be nominated again. I have a motion. I have a second for Vice Mayor to Cole to remain vice mayor Cole. Discussion member MCoso. [laughter]

No, I will agree. I would just say we have some um strong women on this board. We've got a doctor. We've got a former attorney. And one day I would love to see a female uh as vice mayor, mayor. So, just saying that. But Herman, you're doing a great job. We appreciate you. Well, I appreciate the confidence that you have and I thought I was going to be changing seats in the middle of the meeting, but I guess not. Thank you guys. All right. Uh, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager.

Sir, moving on to 12B is the designation of the chair and the vice chair of the Titusville Community Redevelopment Agency. City clerk. Uh, yes sir. One card. Stan Johnston. [snorts]

U my um preface that uh our city clerk holds applies to this uh item also. And u uh I first of all I question whether this should be done with the CRA agency because you're uh exempting the vote of the two people who are also on the CRA. Is that is that a problem? Can you do that without their their participation? CRA operates under the city council.

CRA operates under the members of the CRA. They make decisions. There's two people that are here that don't make that are on the CRA that aren't making this decision. So, I'm asking that. So, so what you can do is do what you want to and you can find out later whether you're legal or not. as far as I can see is I don't think you have the legality to do that. You're you're in other words, you're excluding them from the vote. How does that make sense? They're a member of it, but they're not allowed to be chair or vice chair or vote on the chair or vice chair. Maybe you can select them as chair or vice chair, but they can't vote on it. How could that be fair? How can that make sense? They're not equal members of this of the CRA. In other words, they're like secondass citizens. I don't think that's right. But nobody's going to agree with me. Nobody here is going to agree with me. And nobody's going to have a PE defend you for uh the uh not flooding the properties. Nobody's going to do it. So I don't have any sympathy for you. Go ahead and do what you want to on this. But as far as I don't see I can see is you guys are crooked and you're living in a fantasy. Bye. Thank you.

Thank you Mr. Johnson. Meoso Stan. I I would agree. I just want to know what um what our attorney thinks about that if Oh, she's I would have to research the issue. Business is saying council will designate the uh chair and vice chair of the CRA. So, I'd have to research the code. I don't know it off the top of my head as far as um if it's uh at the C C meeting that it's uh designated or at a council meeting such as this. Okay. Thank you. Member Nelson.

Uh ordinance number 8-206 resolution says that we are supposed to do it. I'm sorry. Was it a resolution? It's a resolution. A resolution. It was written down. Any other questions, discussion? Vice Mayor, make a motion. I move that uh we designate the chair and the vice chair of the Titusville Community Redevelopment Agency uh as the mayor and the vice mayor of council.

Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion from councel? All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, city manager. Sir, moving on to 12c is to update council membership appointments to serve on outside agencies and earlier the city clerk uh handed out the current roster of uh lays on appointments and it's for council's desire to amend them as they see fit. Thank you very much, city clerk.

Uh yes, sir. One card, Stan Johnston. Uh my name is Stan Johnston. I've been here for about 54 years and I have opposed this repeatedly what you're doing. And the thing is is that is that you can't seem to handle the work that you have and you're giving these duties somehow by yourself or something like that. So if I were on council, what I would do is I'd say no to all of that because there's so many problems you're not working on. You're wasting your time and you're not working on important things like for example flooding of these families of these homes on um Temple Drive. Please be advised again. This was a subject for councils that you inherited from 1985.

Point order, Mr. Mayor. This is for us to update the list of outside agencies that we work with such as the transportation, the affordable housing. It it has nothing to do with what you're talking about. Maybe I'm wrong. You are. I could be wrong. You are. I I think because some of these like uh what Sarah Stokle works on. So maybe I'm wrong. Real quick, the mayor for our rules determines whether somebody's on topic. I do not think you're on topic. I'm going to ask you to stay on topic, which is what where we should go and who we should represent Titusville to.

Well, that's that's what I'm thinking is that is that maybe I'm I'm wrong, but I I thought there's a whole bunch of things like like uh League of Cities and so forth. Aren't those part of what's going on? you're going to uh distribute distribute uh duties to different people on different agencies and so forth. We represent Titusville for the city to the League of Cities to the Florida League of Cities, the Space Coast League of Cities, Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization, Northward Commission of Parks and Rec Economic Development Commission,

the former Northward Economic Development Zone, and the Affordable Housing Committee. Well, the thing is you guys don't really have enough time and I'm saying it appears to me to to do this because it it seems like you've been forced to do this and and the reason to do it is the government is ineffic inefficient. You don't have time to make genuine decisions but and I've done this repeatedly is that how in the world can you do all these other things and you miss the core values like that? For example, what I just explained to you. I'm against what you're doing. I am very much against it. All these these these duties that you're given. When when I ran for for council member, I would never support this kind of nonsense because you're so far behind. You've got so much problems and you're not dealing with them. You don't have you have no business going these like for example Sarah Stokal goes all these things for for different things. That sounds nice, but the thing is is that we have problems here that you're not taking care of. For example, the flooding. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Johnson. And just point of information for you going to the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization to advocate for more DOT funding for our community is a good thing. I believe roads are a part of infrastructure. I believe Mr. Johnson, you're out of order.

Sorry. Also, I think uh member Stokal representing us and getting good feedback from what our other cities are doing around the state in regards to flooding our infrastructure funding is very important. I believe representing us to the North Bard Commission on Parks and Recreation so that we have a say in our parks that are being maintained by the county is a good thing. Now, with that being said, I have kind of a a light slate to be honest with you. I know compared to everything else I do, but I did represent us on the North Road economic development zone that I don't think they're meeting anymore. Um, so I'm a little bit freed up there. And then I would also say the North Commission on Parks and Recreation since um the county board several years ago made um the executive decision to uh only allowed advisory boards to meet quarterly, it's kind of been a little bit ineffective, so to speak. Uh the board is appealing um trying to find a waiver so they can meet more often, but it's uh very very hit or miss on that board. So um other than this uh Space Coast TPO, I'm kind of freed up. But I just wanted to let you guys know what I was thinking and where my head's at. Member Nelson.

Well, it looks like Ahok is needing an alternate if you would like to volunteer. Yeah. be happy to volunteer. I'm gonna make Herman go anyway, but I don't know about everybody else. I've had these assignments for years. I'm happy with them. So, I would say if everybody's happy with the way it's laid out, we leave it as it is. Um, if I be so bold, member Stokel, do you think I could be your alternate spot on the EDC?

That's fine with me because I I feel like even if um with that, we can still go as non- voting members. So, it's still possible. So, that's perfectly fine. Well, I just want to get the emails and be able to put it on my calendar and plug in when I'm able to attend because I haven't made it for one of those meetings yet. I think that's important. Nope, that is perfectly fine. I am not offended. Any other changes? All right. So, what I'm Oh, me go. Sorry. Did you say that you would be on the affordable housing advisory committee? Yeah, as an alternate. As an alternate. Okay. Yeah, it's currently not assigned unless you wanted it.

I mean, I'd be happy to take it, but if you're if you want it, it's up to you. not the end of the world for me either way. I was just letting people know that um like I said, my committee assignments are kind of I don't know, not that demanding, I guess. Sure. I'd be happy to take that one if that's okay. Thank you. So, we got member Mscoso as the alternate for the affordable housing committee. Um Mayor Connors as the alternate for the economic development commission. Any other changes? All right. City clerk, do you got the changes? Good.

Uh, yes, sir. I think I do. That was just the change up on the EDC now going with mayor as the non- voting member and then on the affordable housing committee. Um, the unassigned spot will go to member MCOs. Sounds good. All those Wait, I had a question. Um, I know there was some confusion I think at the last meeting. uh, mayor, when you came to our Space Coast League of Cities and you thought you were the alternate and it's actually Herman. So, I don't know if you guys want to keep that. I think Megan's doing a great job as being the current member, but I didn't know if you guys wanted to change who's the alternate on that one or Herman likes it or if you guys wanted to talk about that.

All right. So, um, yeah, there was some confusion. So, apparently I'm the alternate for the Florida League of Cities and I showed up and I was just like, "Hey, I'm pretty sure I'm the alternate." And that just to be clear, the Florida League of Cities, that's the annual conference where somebody we do need a voting delegate there at the August meeting at the state level, but then the Space Coast League meets monthly and if Megan can't make it, somebody does need to be there to vote and um we oftent times will ask for other people that might want to serve on an additional board and our regular members get priority and then it goes to alternate. So um the alternate is an important position. So, what you're saying, that's up to you guys. What you're saying is you want me to do it instead of Herman, right? I'm not saying that.

I didn't know. Anyways, I signed in for you, Herman, the other day. It's up to you two to decide that. Um, but I just wanted to point that out because I do think there was confusion on who was the alternate. Yeah, there definitely was. Um, yeah, I'm fine serving as the alternate. I Okay. All right. City clerk. So, Mayor Connors will be the alternate for the Space Coast League of Cities. Um, seeing no other changes, just those three. Uh, can I have a motion to approve the slate? Motion to approve. Second. Have a motion and I have a second. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager.

Yes, sir. Moving on to item 12D is the uh strategic planning uh special um meeting guidance for actually FY27. As you know the the real kickoff of the budget year is when we council or when council provides uh strategic planning guidance to staff to formulate the budget. Um in the past we've done it under various different methods. Um, most often we have a community conversation and then a follow-up uh meeting between council and and the ELT um facilitated by a third party. So, we're looking to kick off the process in January, February as part of the initial FY27 budget and we're looking for um council direction how you want to do this year strategic planning. Vice Mayor,

you know, I used to come to the meetings that we would have on Saturday before I was on council. And once I got on council and came to the meetings, I thought the meetings were pretty effective. The the Saturday morning meetings where we invited everyone and uh Christine Barky uh chaired it. I felt they were very productive. uh you know we did a survey last year and you know I'm not sure how effective our survey was. I mean we tried that but my vote would be to reinitiate our Saturday morning meeting that we have with uh someone as the facilitator.

Thank you. Vice Mayor member Stokl.

Yes, I'm leaning toward that direction as well. Um, I do feel like we should still try to utilize flash vote for supplemental information, um, if we can. And then I think the Saturday morning format or if we wanted to tweak it a little bit, um, I think it would be good, I know it's been mentioned to to hopefully have a town hall. I I would like to do something where citizens feel heard at one big event. Um, I think would be better. And then from that also once we do that portion, I kind of am thinking about us tweaking a little bit about what we do as a council um to maybe look at I know we do we had five goals, we now have shifted to six, but maybe coming up with some like clear initiatives or some measures that we want to set. Um, and I'm thinking through it seems like almost every meeting we have some type of advisability for staff. And I think that if we can as a council collectively say, you know, our top priority is going to be our wetlands and flooding or our top priority is going to be this. And I think we do say that with like the lagoon. Um, but I feel like if we attach numbers to it and we kind of hold each other accountable to say, hey, let's stay focused on this thing, I think it will help us to kind of keep those goals at the forefront. So, one, I do agree with you on the format. I really want citizen input in some type of big event um fashion and then for us to be a little bit more strategic when we kind of say what our priorities are.

Thank you, members, city manager. Um certainly we want to if council decides to go with that format with a community conversation on a Saturday morning, it would be a kickoff. We would have a executive summary of all six flash surveys to provide some background and then and of course we certainly would like some prioritization of all the different goals and and objectives because there's so many of them and you know sometimes we don't you know equal effort on them and to know which ones are the highest priority will help us allocate the resources.

Thank you city manager. Um as I was thinking about this I I kind of had the I don't know, a thought is we rarely as council get a chance to just have a dialogue like what our priorities are, how we think tactically we can get there, um what partnerships or relationships we can form to help better our city. And I was kind of envisioning the five of us sitting down there and just face to face kind of talking it out in a strategic planning workshop. I mean, think about how you guys do it as a college. you get up on a whiteboard, you write stuff down. Yeah. And uh Yeah.

Um but you know, I think you know, the public having input is definitely important, but at the end of the day, we should also be able to have that discussion as well. And uh oftentimes we're we're not able to have those conversations because of the limited amount of times that we meet. So, I mean, I'd be all for a Saturday thing, but I think it would be important for us to at least do that. um and maybe have a you know spirited conversation or debate of what is more pressing. Is it the lagoon? Is it trees? Is it flooding?

Yeah, flooding wetlands, you know, but again, we all can say these things in terms of goals, but tactically, how are we getting it done? And I feel like that's what's missed with a lot of, you know, political grandstating by politicians is we're going to do all these things like we're going to cut property taxes. And now you see them trying to figure it out and they have no idea how they're going to do it. They're proposed like 10 different laws to do it. Um, and now they feel pressured into doing something. Um, but I think it's really important that if we make priorities, we should also come up with some solutions of tactically how do we get it done and uh hopefully we can have that conversation. Member Nelson,

I agree with you guys. I like the community conversation. I sort of in my mind floated around what would happen if we did it every two years, but I think I like it every year u because it gives us a chance to hammer out what we want and maybe we can be a little more strategic and lay out number one, number two, number three because I think it helps staff. I think it'd help us. So, I'm for the community conversation.

Thank you. I think it's important to bring up uh what's our first goal? Improve quality of life with no way to measure. Yeah, member MSOS.

Yeah, I think that's a great idea. I love the idea of us all just sitting down and having that conversation and then um I think being able to support one another's like what are what are your strengths in the areas that you excel in and how can we help you with those goals and so working together as a team. I I kind of feel like these strategic goals that we have are kind of like my New Year's resolutions where I'm like I want to lose weight and uh by month two by the second week I'm done. I've given up. And so I think it would be really good and then we can all see like what areas like what are you passionate about Sarah? I think we know, but we don't ever have the time to really go into depth and then how can we support you on that and who has those connections and so I think it'd be great and I I would hope that the public would be interested in even just

I mean I don't know how to incorporate them in but having them at least listen to and I think that would help them understand us and know us a little bit better too as a council and see where where our heart is and where our passion is in the different areas of the community. Thank you, Ms. Member Stoko.

Um, actually to touch on this and I forgot about this. Um, one of my colleagues, I can't remember who, um, they do like a retreat. Um, and they do notice it and they go and I I don't know where they go exactly, and they notice it so people could show up and stuff, but they say that really helps them to bond and really work through um, some of these hard discussions kind of what you're saying there. So even if we wanted to make it some type like have food or you know make it a little bit more fun and if the public wants to sit and watch our you know what we discuss I think that's great. Um and then to member Nelson's point I do feel like it's a valid point. I appreciate how you say you know you're thinking every two years. Most strategic plans I see are like three to five years. Um we had a three-year one at the college. We just did a fiveyear and it's nice to see that over time. It's hard with elections and people changing out. So, I think it's good to keep doing an annual check-in, but I do think it's important for us to think like long term and what would be those consistent values that we see our community wanting that we can hopefully keep and then just do those check-ins.

All right. Well, we had good discussion, but any clear direction? Um, I just want to make it clear whatever motion is made, make it clear so that we can uh have discussion and tweak if necessary. member so

yes I guess my motion would be so direction moving forward that we would move forward with doing a citizen workshop on a Saturday again kind of similar to what we've done in the past um incorporating the flash votes if we can to have supplemental information and then um in terms of moving forward I think the difference would be of what we're talking about here we used to have a facilitator kind of guide us through what the report is of the citizens compon opponent, but we would like to kind of be more down here, not up here. Um, and have more time to really strategize what we want to do. And I don't know if that would include a facilitator quite frankly, um, with what I'm thinking in my head depending I don't know if that's a I know that's a long motion and it's still kind of unclear.

Uh, member Stokel. Well, first of all, is there a second? I'll second it for discussion. Yep. So personally I I don't think we should have a facilitator if we're just going to sit around and you know kind of iron out some issues and you know put together our clear vision. Question I have is what comes first the chicken or the egg with do we do the the Saturday meeting first or do we do like us as a board having those kind of conversations? I would say the Saturday meeting. I would too. Yeah. I'm just clarifying. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Do do the Saturday meeting. we'd have the survey results that gives us information and that's kind of what we did at the college. We did that and then we had all of this to kind of iron out what we want.

So, are both meetings going to be on a Saturday or just the community conversation on a Saturday? Well, I think to members Stokel's point, we could notice a meeting and maybe not do it necessarily here. we could pick a time and a date uh where we can meet together somewhere, you know, where we could, you know, spend a lion share of a day and make sure that we had plenty of time to discuss all the things that we need to discuss. Yeah, we could actually do it at the hospital, you know, if I'm not talking about going somewhere, some kind of conference room and just kind of I think doing that kind of helps you to feel a little bit more comfortable will allow us, I think, to hopefully bond more as a council. Mhm.

It might be worth trying and I'll try to get more information too from some of my colleagues on some things that they do. Is that clear? Are we clear? Are we clear? Are we clear? We'll make it happen. Okay. So, all right. Uh the motion is to have that Saturday community engagement meeting um with us to get together as a council at a notice time and location for us to have uh you know discussion our strategic plan. Um the community engagement meeting with the public will happen first and we'll work on a date after that for our retreat. Sounds good. Um so there was a motion and a second and everybody's good on it. Um city clerk. Uh yes, one card. Stan Johnston.

My name is Stan Johnston. I gave you a preface that is not very complimentary at all. But as far as strategy goes, it appears that the strategy that you have established and those types of meetings that that that she is recommending is nonsense because it doesn't get things solved. And I and I've told you this, for example, like this issue about flooding properties has been going on for 40 years, these dams. 40 years. And you've inherited and you're doing the same thing. You your strategy is is this. Your strategy is you're going to do everything you can to cover up city's cover up of cover up of coverups. You not only did it with flooding of of homes, but you did it with spraying people with with sewage.

Mr. Johnson, you're on topic. No, here's what I'm saying is, for example, I'm a professional engineer, and you've got over five professional engineers. And if you could get one professional engineer to say, for example, it's illegal, it's harmful to spray people with sewage, you would have stopped it. And it went on, Johnson, I cautioned you. Please have a seat. I'm giving you I just thought I was in Okay. So, I'm I'm being cautioned to leave because I'm talking about your seat and so I'm leaving. I've got 1 minute and 40 seconds that you took away from the clerk. Is there anybody else? I disagree with what you're doing. All right. There's a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Now we're to the point of the meeting petitions and requests from the public present non-aggenda items. Anybody like to say anything? Seeing none, now we're on to mayor and council's report. Um I just have one item I'd like to bring to your attention. Um we have a Titusville service member who was killed in combat, Private Irving Simmons. Uh he was actually awarded a congressional gold medal post I can never say that word is post. Yeah exactly. Post humorously.

Yeah. Um there is a nonprofit organization that works with uh veterans in putting together a replica replicable display of the uh service members uniform along with the medal. And as this person is from Titusville, uh I was asked to see if we could maybe do a display like that within the city hall. So I put it before you guys. I I think it'd be um pretty neat to recognize somebody who was a recipient of a congressional medal.

All right, I'm passing the gavvel. I move that um our city manager work with um this veterans nonprofit group. I'll I'll get the name for you. Um the guy's name is Jerry Bond. um who will make a replica uh display of the private Irving Simmons um uniform along with the congressional medal that he was awarded uh as a memorial to him within city hall to be displayed to be determined. That's my motion. Do we have a time limit on it? I don't really have a time limit. I mean, are you talking about for a month, for 10 years, for 20 years?

I mean, it seemed to be more kind of permanent in nature. I mean, we're recognizing somebody who's already gone. Uh, but um I don't think congressional metal people happen just every day. Yeah. And so, I think this is kind of something unique and special. Um, I mean, I don't think we're going to have like a hundred of them um, lining our halls. That'd be pretty amazing if we did, but um, I thought it was a pretty cool idea. And so, again, I I don't make any promises. I just say I'll bring it before the board like I would with any citizen uh, with an idea or suggestion or concern. So, member Muscoso, I'm sorry, Herman has the

Gosso. Oh, thank you.

No, I don't. I think it's a great idea. Um I I feel like we discussed moving away from doing motions that weren't on the agenda. And so I would just love to have perhaps we can um vote on it next time and just have the information sent to us because I think you brought up a good uh it's a good question. How long and um you know is the next council going to approve other thing like I don't I think there's just something maybe we can just spend a little bit of time thinking through the logistics and perhaps our staff can do that for us and help us with that because they might have some questions about things. Um, so I think it's a great idea. I think we should we should honor this individual, but if we could just have a little bit more information because it's a we just don't have much to go on.

Are you going to call on me? Uh, yeah. But since I've got the gavl, I'm going to say something. If this guy got the Congressional Medal of Honor, which is the highest medal that's given in the military, we're not going to have a hundred guys getting the Congressional Medal of Honor. And some that very few get it that are still alive. So just think along those lines. If we come up with a procedure, we ought to decide is it going to be a permanent thing? Is it going to be up for a month or two months? is going to but the Congressional Medal of Honor is a big deal. Very big deal.

Uh comments. Thank you. Um again, I just brought it before the board. Herman said pass the gavl and make the motion. So I did. Uh but with that being said, I believe what I said was is ask staff to work with this individual to to figure it out. Right? I didn't say I had all the answers. It was just about uh them working and and finding those details out and I'm sure they can bring it back before us. Okay. We have a second. Well, do we Sorry. Do we even need to vote if we're just asking staff to do that for advisability? Yes, we do need to vote on that. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely.

So, I got a question. I know. So, are you you amending your motion to ask for advisability? I'm not making a motion. Or are you I'm sorry. [laughter] I asked staff to, you know, work it out and bring it back before us is Okay. But that I would second, you have your light on. Were you? Yeah. I guess I I don't even know if we need to ask staff more so than like I feel like that's something that they could make that decision and say, "Oh, this is and they that doesn't even really need to come before us potentially, I guess." So, the more I'm thinking about it, regardless, I think it's a great idea and I'm sure that it would be something that we'd be interested in doing as a city.

Yeah. Okay. We have a Any other questions? We have a motion on the floor. We had a first and second. Oh, you don't forget to call on cards. I'm sorry. Cards. Uh, one card. Stan Johnston.

Thank you. [snorts] Stan Johnston, the uh son of a Navy veteran and also I am a Navy veteran and uh veterans are there to protect the Constitution and you guys haven't been doing it. So I would like you to show some some respect for veterans. You spit on me. You spit on the Constitution. You've done it repeatedly. You've done it tonight and I don't appreciate it. All five of you. 95 of you. You spit on me repeatedly and you spit on the Constitution. Yeah. You want to say something to me? You want to say thank you or what do you want to say? I don't want to say thank you. Uh can we All in favor say I.

I. Opposes. So moved. All right. again. Next time I'll just ask somebody else to make the motion. [laughter] [sighs] All right. Thank you very much, council. I I thought it was a great way to honor one of our veterans here in in Titusville that did something pretty special. Uh with that being said, Vice Mayor Cole.

Okay. in my report. I want to apologize because I let something slip by that I didn't mean to slip by and I was going to ask questions on it on our task order for the $150,000 feasibility. I I I just have some thoughts on that. Uh, what I think we should do is get a letter of intent to them because this property is for sale and I would hate for us to go out on a contract for $150,000 and somebody else buys it. I think it's for sale for about $15.5 million or something like that. So, if we could get some kind of letter of intent so we can do due diligence and basically they can't sell it for the 90-day period or however long. Uh, we would need to complete that because I would hate for us to go do a due diligence and spend that money and and somebody else buys it. Thoughts? [laughter]

State manager? Sir, I I've been in contact constantly with the owners and also the realtor and they've assured me that we will have the first right of refusal regarding the acquisition of the property. And you know, my intent is call them tomorrow and tell them that, you know, I have the authorization to proceed with due diligence, give them an expected timeline and get assurances. You know, I don't know legally if we should send a letter. I think we have a letter of intent. Uh, city attorney, don't you think we should have some something binding because we can have a handshake,

but if somebody offers them $20 million, all of a sudden we've spent 150 and we have nothing. It would be a council's uh preference as to how um legally is that would that be an appropriate document? There is there is a legal uh letter of intent there. that is a legal tool to use. Now, again, it depends on what our intent or the council's intent is. Um, are you wanting to um, you know, what are you wanting to do? My intent would be to not to waste $150,

not to waste $150,000. And I don't I can't foresee drafting in a letter of intent saying that to No, a letter of intent that we would buy it after we've done our due diligence. And this contract would be a part of our due diligence. I would think a letter of intent would have to be more substantive in order to be effective, which is what you're wanting the seller to not sell or not to be.

That's exactly what I want. Again, uh that would be something that would have to be um you know, thoroughly thought out as and I don't know what the seller would want to receive. Say a letter saying, "Hey, we don't want to waste $150,000 may not be persuasive uh to a seller. I would imagine there would be more uh to be, you know, offered or provided to to allow a seller not to look around or to take any other offers or to to just go about being a regular. We need protection.

Yeah. I think what he's getting at is typically when you like go to buy a house, there's a contract. So before you go and spend money on inspections and different things, you have the seller is like bound by that and you have a period of time where you can back out. Is there something like that that we can do? Again, it would be uh something I would imagine to be discussed between us, the city, as well as what the uh seller is wanting to in order to uh not to um you know, keep the property open to anyone else. suppose I make can I can I

um just an effectiveness of time is you know I think we've made our opinions very very clear and hopefully our city manager can work and they can come up with something and uh hopefully we can give uh the the city manager the authority to act on the city's best interest to make sure that we're protecting our tax dollars. If if I may

interject again, this is something that I understand we're wanting, but it's it's another party is involved. The seller is involved. So, in order for for us to um have the seller not be open to other offers, which is what I'm hearing, uh it would be dependent on what their their level of reassurances that they want. And again, I'm hearing that we're saying we don't want to spend $150, you know, uh, without having other asurances from the seller. And I don't know if that would be enough. It's just something that would have to be negotiated or talked between the city uh, and the uh, seller as to what that level of assurance would be.

City manager, when are appraisals going to be completed? We have the first appraisal u price. I don't think we've gotten the second bid yet. No, we just turned the appraisals loose today. We ordered it today. So, we ordered the appraisal today. So, um how long would it take? They said after after the holidays after holidays. So,

and I think to the city attorney's point, you know, they also have to have, you know, asurances too, right? They can't just they're not well at least they shouldn't sign a letter saying I promise not to sell them to anybody until you guys make up your mind. unless we are concrete and offering them something. And I don't think at this point in time we are at that junction because we don't even know what the property's appraised at. City manager.

Yeah. I I will call the realtor and the owner tomorrow and and you inform him of our situation and and get his expectations as far as what he would require in order to allow us to continue with the our due diligence and not get you know bought out by another entity and I can report back on that but okay but you know there's several steps we get the appraisal do the due diligence with the contract then come back with the PFM would come back with some financing options and then you would have the go no-go decision. So I think that could be done hopefully with the next few months after the first of the year. Um that's my goal. Obviously the my understanding is the police hall of fame is is anxious to divest that property and get out from under that. Um so we would have to move with you know pretty good speed and that would be my intent but I will contact the owner um tomorrow and and find out his expectations and to ensure him that we are moving as quickly as we can.

Okay. The second thing that I just wanted to comment on was that the community engagement that we had last Wednesday. I believe we had 60 people there and police department put on a great presentation and it was wellreceived and I just no one's here but from the police department but just please pass on that it was it was wellreceived and when you think that was the first one we've done and they had 60 people there I think that's that's excellent. So thank them for me. Okay. Thank you, Vice Mayor, Council, Member Stokel.

Um, yeah, I had a few comments and some questions. One, I know we got um emails based on the concrete plant. Um, and I was wondering if we could get an update on what's happening with that.

Obviously, we've had numerous complaints over the last six months. Um, we've had Glenn's not here, but we've had code enforcement out several times. Um we are in the process of strengthening the ordinances and and drafting some regulations for council consideration to ensure that uh their operations don't continue to uh you know further pollute the uh the river and and and surrounding area. Kevin, do you want to comment on some of the issues with that?

Yeah. So, so both us and DOT have an MPDS permit which regulates any pollution entering a stormwater system. So, Sandy inspected the area saw that as the source of what was reported. So, two parts of that we'll work with Glenn for us. We also can turn it into DOT. It impacts their system too. That's what feeds it to the river. It's not our piping. It's actually DOT. So they have their own separate permit for their infrastructure that they also can come back and assess the property or take steps to protect their infrastructure. But but we'll we can work with them. Uh they'll bring out their inspectors. They'll handle their side of it which they have a little more teeth than than even our code enforcement has if it's impacting their infrastructure.

Do we know what we can do to make sure they don't do it? So what happens if like they keep doing this? Like what recourse do we have? Well, that's where Glenn and and his group would have to come in as far as citing fines and pot like potentially getting shut down. Uh I imagine DOT can come forth with that impacting both their roadway if you've been by that gets a lot of silica sand on it gets a lot of dust and debris and impacting their storm water system. They can probably pull their access management permits and so forth. Um, they also are carrying DP permitting that I believe Glenn is working with them and their site uh their site staff to try to upgrade what they have going on at their site both from land and air.

Okay. And um I don't know if you guys were on council yet when that got approved, but it was a I remember when we voted on the approval and it was a very controversial item and those that of us that were on council were assured it would be fined, it would be contained. And so when I saw that, I was very angry. Um, and it it does make me concerned when we do approve projects and people reassure us. How do we know that they're going to do what they're saying? So I yeah, it's just it's making me nervous about approving items and seeing that happen. Like it was just horrible to see. Um, so thank you for the update and I guess yeah, we'll keep following up. Um, the second one has to do with I know we had directed staff to start looking at different policies that we might need to strengthen in terms of development. And so I wanted to speak specifically on the development that we denied last meeting. I had some concerns on how staff approved that or recommended approval based on some of the things that we saw where water didn't appear to be flowing in the direction that was being presented. I had also concern on the traffic person saying it's actually will be less traffic and we all know it wouldn't be less traffic but he was basing it on his land use change not the reasonzoning. So I to me I don't know how other members felt to me it was a clear denial based on what was presented. I have concerns with staff presenting that as we think it's fine. So, I don't know what policies we need to look at to make sure that staff says, "Actually, this is intense. Based on what we're seeing, we probably wouldn't recommend approval." Does that I know that's a lot, but it means Okay. So, obviously based So, staff reviews things based on our current code that we set as council. So, they're they're doing their job based on

what we set. I feel like there's things that need to be strengthened to say actually, you know, this based on what water flow, this is clearly going to be flooding. But that's whatever policies we have in place are saying otherwise. That's kind of what I'm looking at is what can we as council kind of review or look at to say making sure that things are okay. Again, I'll give Brookshshire's another example. We approved Brookshshire. We were assured staff approved it. We approved it. It's clearly flooded and has issues. So something needs to change within our code for us to be able I think to make informed decisions and I don't know what they are. It's hard to answer your question because the development that was recommended for approval was a zoning question. It wasn't a site plan. So we did not have engineered plans. We had was primarily a maybe 30% of their plans concept.

Okay. So they couldn't prove that they were going to cause an issue. They are required and they illustrate demonstrated in the presentation to you that they would have to actually retain more than what is actually flowing off that property as a result of their development. They can't create an adverse impact and the only way to do that is to adhere to the code here to the standards with engineering studies with the draw the con you know the engineering drawings. basically they have to prove and demonstrate that and if they can demonstrate that on paper and on the reports uh we're obligated administratively to approve it. So what we had though was a reasoning. So you evaluated that particular question that particular application based on the land use whether it's consistent with the comprehensive plan and whether the zoning was appropriate.

If that was approved we would have to come back and look at it from an administrative level the engineering level which doesn't come to you. So, I'm not sure if there's something specific about that particular process that you would like to evaluate. Um, if you want So, I guess maybe you said you guys looked at like probably 30% of it. Did you Did they present to you like storm water management where the water would remain on site that met our current code?

Well, it it's it's not proving it at the engineering level because they hadn't gone to the site plan level yet. So it is a master plan to illustrate whether it meets the criteria described in the code against the comprehensive plan and the zoning is the zoning is the what they're proposing appropriate um zoning more looking at the surrounding areas. Okay. So you're not looking more so at this is conservation and wetlands can depending on how much pvious pavement will be there. Well, they they at that particular case, they proposed to us um preserving the existing u wetlands by putting them in increasing the area of what was conservation.

So, they're actually reducing the footprint of what was low density residential as far as that land use category. So, we saw that as a smaller footprint of the land use. It was actually a a less intense use. But then underneath that particular land use, they wanted to utilize the existing tool that was available to them, which is the plan development zoning,

which allows you to negotiate with them specific conditions and layout of how that project would should be on that property. Otherwise, if it was if it was a straightforward reasoning to one of our standard single family zoning districts or multif family, they would just have to it would just be you're just approving it or evaluating it based on the highest intense use potentially on that zoning. and then they go through the resoning or the the site plan with us. But in that particular case, they were pretty much showing you their hand. This is what we want to develop and we're going to build it according to this and we believe we can prove it. Okay. And if you agreed with that, then they would have to go to the next step which is a site plan. So I guess for you guys to recommend approval, you're looking at the surrounding areas. Concurrency, I would assume.

Concurrency. Yes, we have to look at for concurrency. Okay. And then um whether it's more intense or less intense. Would that be fair? Yeah, that's compatibility. Okay. Anything else? Well, we did. So, if we see things that are that are potentially problematic, such as they're proposing to build in a flood plane, we may want to consider that. They didn't show that here in this that particular case. Okay.

Uh there were some previous examples where they, you know, we had a PD or a plan development master plan that were proposing to do that. we recommended some additional conditions. We could we felt comfortable proposing that to you. Um in that particular case that was brought to you from the last meeting that you denied, we just did not from a staff level, we just did not see anything in our toolbox that would allow us to negotiate further than what was already proposed.

Okay. No, that makes sense. I think what gets me is and looking at those areas are important. I guess what I start getting nervous about is at what point do we say like we need to stop building on wetland area conservation like we we don't have enough green space to do it and I feel like when we do these at like one particular point in time we say okay based on the surrounding area there are you know residents around it there's but at what point do we say actually we need x percentage of green space within a certain parameter and we don't have that like do we do can we do anything like that? Yes. I mean, that would just mean adopting an ordinance. Um, okay.

It's strengthening your regulations. Um, there are several tools inside the zoning codes right now that, um, applicants can use. Uh, there's a conservation subdivision design. There is a cluster subdivision design. Uh, a PD is something they a lot of applicants like to use because that's a tailor made zoning district. They can propose what they would like to see there. Okay. Yeah. So, there's several other tools that could be utilized. If you want to limit the use of the of the PD for subdivisions, that's something you could consider as well. Just be mindful of anything any new regulation is going to conflict potentially with Senate Bill 180.

Well, that's my other thing and I think that's why I'm like very passionate. This is probably the biggest thing I'm passionate about is because I want to us to try to do whatever we can as soon as possible because I do feel like the state is going to start um I don't know what they're going to start passing and anything that we can do to try to make sure that we protect our citizens. I do not want to see water in anybody's home ever again. Like I don't want to see that. And my fear is if we do not become a lot more proactive and address some of this stuff, I I don't know. And I do think we're going to be potentially limited by what the state does. And so I'm trying to see what would be a good compromise where Go ahead.

I'm just going to respond that the last few meetings you've discussed the three things I heard wetlands, drainage, and storm. Yeah. And so you said that as a priority and we've took that. We understand that. So we are trying to figure out a way to respond to that and we uh I believe we are working you know at this level to figure out how to uh come back to you with what we understood as part of your discussion. Okay. And see what um with some ideas of how you'd like to go forward with that. But okay is I think you had several discussions about wetlands storm water drainage and I think it all what I heard in the last few meetings was related to public infrastructure and to private development. Okay. Uh so it's very broad. Okay.

So we're going to come back to you with our understanding of what we heard and uh see if we can narrow down the conversation. Okay. Um and then um this I I didn't get a chance to I had heard that we're supposed to hear the Royal Oak Project on the 9th, I believe, but then I also heard that might be getting pushed back and that is I know that mailers went out. Do we pay for that? Does the developer pay for that? And then are there going to be additional mailers that are sent out to correct the date? So the applicant submits to us a fee for the application to process an application which includes what we believe is the you know the average cost of processing their application including mailers.

There is embedded in that application fee the advertisement as well and this the time for staff to review their application. Um, so yes, mailers were sent out and then we received the request to table this. We tried hard to see if we can keep the dates as is, at least allow the public to have an opportunity to speak on this. Um, they in are going to insist and request at your meeting that it'll be continued to the January dates at this time as far as I understand. Okay. And if that does, are new mailers sent out and then will they pay another fee for that or

the No, they will. According to our code, there is an additional fee. Um, we will ask them to pay for the advertisement of the hearing because I believe it will have to be readvertised based on the dates they're requesting, which is outside of a 30-day range.

Okay. Um All right. And and then um just for updates, just be watching um legislation at the state level. There was a committee meeting on property taxes last week. If you have the time, the Florida channel, watch it. Um, it's very interesting. I feel like there's a lot of we want to eliminate them. Um, and then now there's, you know, exemptions for people say that, but then there's exemptions for schools, so people would still be paying it for that. They talk about law enforcement. Well, we still want to fund law enforcement. There was a fire chief there. Well, what about fire? and they're realizing um but still I feel like there's pressure to submit something and then you have that going on with I think there were six to eight proposals and then um it was clear that they were going to pass them. We knew that they were going to pass them and then still if you watch the governor does not like any of them. So um just please be on the lookout for that. Um also I think that we just got an email about one of our grants being denied. I do feel like that might be a trend as well as you know that I think that the state's really pushing you know cutting funding um which I I do get to a certain extent but I think we need to as a council be mindful of that and what does that mean for us and our budget um as we move forward and then I mentioned it briefly earlier if you get time also look up the bill that was filed regarding us not being able to regulate water quality um so I'm hoping that the TC will look at that as well the league did already sign up and saw it as soon as it did to speak in opposition of it. So, I will keep you guys posted. Um, but of I think I'm going on my 10th year now. This is the most like intense time when it comes to the state and what's happening. I think especially now as we're going into election season. Um, so if you can try to um be informed on that, I'll do my best to keep you informed and then even at our council meetings because we can't talk outside of this, you know, just bring up questions or things that we should look at. I feel like to me personally this is

a top priority because we can have a lot of great ideas but if the state doesn't let us do them good good luck. So [snorts] that's all that I have right now. Thank you member Stokel. Member Mosao.

Sure. Um and legislative days is coming up in um January and so I think that we would need approval to go to that. So I sent it to um Mr. Bate and hopefully next um our next meeting we can get it on there and then whoever wants to go we can get it approved. So, um, and then I kind of want to piggyback off of, um, since we have just a few minutes, it'll just take a second off of what member Stokal was saying. I think we we kind of brought this up before, but, um, you know, I think sometimes we do see things that the staff has approved for various reasons that maybe we wouldn't agree with. Um my question is what happens whenever something is administratively approved and and we discussed this and what recourse do residents have because honestly I think the residents they they got together for this last one and they they showed us the evidence of listen this is false what they're showing you is is different than the way like just a simple example was the way the water was flowing and so they were able to bring that up but what happens when something is administratively approved the [snorts] residents really don't have recourse force. Right now, my understanding is they can go to the BAA and have that appealed. And we know then the BAA who is not elected, they decide yes or no. And if not, that's it. And so, I think we discussed it before about possibly having counsel overseeing certain um issues. If the BAA says, and that's what they did with one of the issues, we don't want to do this. Could you look at it? And we decided not to. So, I would like to um to possibly discuss that again. I know I was close to the issue and so um I no longer live on that street so I'm not close I'm not as close to the issue anymore. Um but I think it would be something for us uh to to look at because there are things that I think get approved that maybe if it came before us we might push back a little bit more ask more questions and that's nothing against the staff. They're they're trained to look at a

certain thing where we're also going to be taking in a lot of the input of the residents. And so, um, that's just something I'd like to look at in the future. Um, I don't know how we go about doing that, but does that conclude your report?

All right. Um, do you want to do your report? I just want to say happy Thanksgiving and uh hope everybody eats way too much turkey and pumpkin pie. But I did want to add to what member Stokal said and right now we're planning for a hundredyear floods and we're having a whole lot of hundredyear floods and so is there something we can do to tighten that up where we're not planning for hundredyear floods. We're planning for something that's happening on a regular basis.

You know what I'm saying? From a development standpoint or from from a development standpoint that would be a new regulation. So that if that's the city council's desire. Um what we heard from your last few conversations was somewhat related to that. So I think that I think what I heard was storm water drainage and the protection and use of wetlands in some fashion is of high priority of the city council. And so it sounded to me like you were looking for some kind of regulation to mitigate um new development to regulate mitigate the impacts of new

Yeah. impacts of new development. Yeah. the impacts of climate change um so that we don't have the flooding. I mean I think you know we have that storm water plan or the the basin plan looking at flooding and the flow of the water and I think that will help but I think it's the whole town and not just the St. John's Basin. So, I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I'm like, uh, this hundredyear storm is happening every year.

Yeah. And so, it just seems like we need to tighten it up. Thank you, member Nelson. And I think we've given staff the direction we mean. It's just they haven't had the storm water master plan come back with us. That's going to be a big undertaking and we'll be doing that in the upcoming fiscal year. Yeah, I think that may address some of your concerns. That would be great. The idea that we're playing with a football playbook from 1966. Yeah,

as a football coach might say. But all righty. Um, one [clears throat] last thing I forgot to mention in my report. Uh thank you uh to council city uh when I say city staff, I mean uh city manager and city attorney for stopping out at the Titusville turkey giveaway. Uh we had a great time. Gave out over 300 birds and it was a well-received event. So, uh, thank you to North Broad Charities Unity within the community, everybody coming together, everybody doing just a little bit. And it was amazing how many turkeys, uh, got delivered to me or people told me I got 50 turkeys for you. And I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do with them. Uh, but we made sure they got to the right place. So, thank you again. Uh, city manager, your report. Just have two items. The first, I just uh, uh, for your information, basically a letter from uh, Mr. writes, uh, the, uh, owner and developer of TRD, uh, Tyel Resorts and Destinations. He again is asking for renewed council support for his ongoing issue with, uh, one of his tenants, Cumberland Farms. And, um, he's asking for city to intervene with state and county agencies. And again, you've you've had uh you've encountered this issue in the past and and the result was to just defer on it. So again, I'm just for your information passing that letter along along from his attorney. Uh the second item is uh anformational item. Um early on um several months ago, I indicated that we'd be doing a top tobottom review of all city functions, staffing, resources, delivery of services. And now that I have uh a very competent assistant city manager, he is taking the tail, the tiger by the tail. And he's going to start in January. And our our goal is to find some areas to we

can always look for areas we can do things better and more cost-effective and incorporate them into the city's manager's budget and also provide you with a presentation of our findings. So that's uh coming attractions. I just wanted to provide you for your information the charter that outlines what we're going to be doing at a staff level. That's that's my report.

Thank you very much, city manager. Just one question for you. On your report, uh you listed special meetings and event red, white, and boom, July 4th, Sanpoint Park 6 to 10. I believe council gave direction during the the budget hearing process that we would like to see a parade for next year for the 250th anniversary of our country. Um is that being scheduled? I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. Okay. So, during our budget process, we talked about doing a parade for the 4th of July. Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm on that. Okay. I did not see Yes. I don't have

Thank you. I I was just again noting on your report that it just had red, white, and boom specifically with the times. So, I just wanted to make sure it was on the radar and we didn't drop the ball. We'll put that on there. Thank you very much. Any other questions for the city manager? Seeing none, city attorney.

Yes, I actually have something tonight. Um I just wanted to as council is aware under the charter the council appoints the assistant city attorney and um we have an agreement that's been reached between the city depending subject to council's approval of course uh between the city and an attorney. His name is David Molo. Uh as background information, uh the city posted the position for assistant city attorney in September with a closing date of October uh 27th. We had seven applicants, five of which were eligible. After an interview process, uh we decided to choose the best ca candidate, the best fit for the city. And um Mr. Molo was the uh successful candidate. He has a extensive background in internship and and legal research and and just public service uh in local government and I'm very excited about him. He went to uh UF undergrad. He did his mers and he's a he has his mers as an urban planner as well as he went to FSU law school. Uh we're excited to welcome David again upon approval of his contract, employment contract uh by council. And so the request is for council to approve his employment contract at this time.

Thank you very much. City attorney, city clerk. Uh yes, sir. One card, Stan Johnston.

My name is Stan Johnston and I've been around here for a while. I'm 79 years old and I have worked for Bvard County. I worked for the city of Titusville and I've been a veteran and I've got uh all kinds of qualifications as far as engineering surveying and so forth. When I worked for Bvard County, there were some people who uh who were fired. There are people who did the wrong thing. People that you wouldn't expect to be unethical. And the question is, what do you call unethical when you're working for the city of Titusville? Do you do things to cover up their their errors and mistakes and their other cover-ups, or do you do that for working for the people, the public? That is the question that should be on your mind if you're an employee of the city or county or government. Are you working for the government or are you working for the public? And there's a big difference. We [snorts] had previous attorney who worked for for the the city very different than what Dwight Severs did. We and we hired Chelsea. We have big problems because they worked. They didn't work for the public. They worked for the city. That's a big difference. I was taught that when I worked for Bvard County. There's a big difference. right now is we have five commissioners in front of us and we're still going to decide to flood properties and houses on on Temple Drive. You've said that to me tonight,

Mr. Johnson, you're cautioned. In what way is this time? You spit on me as a as a veteran. You spit on the Constitution. You've done just about everything. If you'd like me to leave, I will do it. I'll leave. All right. I'm not going to say anything else. I would like to say something as a sailor, but it's not allowed to be put said in public. Thank you. Thank you, city council. Member Nelson. This guy sounds like a great fit. So, I would move to approve and accept the employment agreement for the assistant city attorney. Second.

I have a motion. I have a second. Any discussion from council? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. With that being said, member Nelson, please make your favorite motion. My favorite motion. Motion to adjourn. We're Thank you.