City Council - Regular Meeting

Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Teresa, please take the role. Okay. Mayor Jones here. Gil here. Bowen here. Madson here. And Shilling here. All right. Do we have any additions or changes to the agenda for tonight's meeting? Motion to approve the agenda as presented. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Matson, yes. Bowen, yes. Ke, yes. Karach, yes. Chilling, you are here.

I was reading the roll call. Yes. How about uh minutes from the 114 meeting. Motion to approve the meeting. Minutes from 114. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Shilling, yes. Yes. Keel, yes. Bowen, yes. Matson, all right, the bills are in the packet. Any action on the bills? Motion to approve the bills as presented. Second. Any discussion? I don't think I seen anything that

pretty normal. All right. Hearing none, we'll vote. Matson, yes. Bowen, yes. Keel, yes. Yes. Chilling, yes. All right. Public comment. Anybody who is not on the agenda would like to come up and talk. Seeing no one, we'll move down to applications, agreements, hearings, resolutions, ordinances. First one, special event permit for 2025 hometown Christmas. Motion to approve a special event application for hometown Christmas. Second.

Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Schilling, yes. Harachek, yes. Ke, yes. Bowen, yes. Mata, yes. All right. Second one is review approve cannibus cannabis dispensary license application for Unity Road LLC. Information is in the packet. A couple of the gentlemen are here tonight if we have any questions. They are moving into the do we call it the former Unity Road building and call it the new Unity Road building. Is that make sense? They've paid their fee, their application, everything is

Yep. Yep. and got their application and all the supporting documents with it and reviewed it. They they meet all our standards and regulations. They are zoned correctly. They, like I said, have all the documentation required for our ordinance. So, more procedural question. We ask about felony convictions, but we don't have any. Is there did I miss? No. So per ordinance you do have to ask if they you know and this is another step kind of with the state you have to ask if they've had a founding they do have that one mark there um basically they have to send a statement saying that it was nonviolent and you know how many years ago y

I've got that statement from them that was non nonviolent um and it was back in I believe 78 several several several years ago so it's a and the state probably does the same thing because it's based on state I I haven't seen the state application, but I'm assuming they do. Actually, the state doesn't even go back that far. Just curious. Yeah. Yep. So, yeah, for artist though, it's we need a statement saying it's not by they provided that.

All right. Any action from the council? I would make a motion to approve the cannabis dispensary license application for Unity Road LLC. Second. Any discussion? What's your uh anticipated open date? Uh January 1st. Okay. All right. Anything else? Hearing none, we'll vote. Shelling, yes. Harach, yes. Ke, yes. Mullen, Matson,

yes. All right, that's four. We got that. Good to go. Thank you. Welcome. Welcome to Hartford again. Welcome back. All right, let me get moving on down here. Next up, we are to engineers report. Uh Justin, you'll run through the stuff and then we'll move on to the uh review of the uh drainage uh issue. Absolutely. Um you give Michael a little bit more exciting intro, so I don't know. That's Well, I only use that on Michael. You got to

That's That's his That's the one thing he gets. You don't.

All right. All right. Fair enough. Okay. Uh the engineers report this month is actually uh going to be a little short and sweet. So we're kind of getting to that time of year where all of our projects uh would say got done earlier in the year. So everything said pretty well. Water resource recovery facility I would say um we're 98% done with that project. So just some small little wrap up items here and there. Working with Craig and team as some items come up, get those addressed. Uh do have a little um commissioning on some equipment yet the sludge press. Uh but everything's tracking very well there. Western Avenue reconstruction as well. Again, um not a very exciting update other than uh roadway looks really good. Have have it open. A lot of seating restoration done. Um they're getting some of the rip wrap installed today. So getting some of those loose ends tied up. There will be a punch list period. Uh so there are some some minor items that are outstanding will be taken care of this fall into the spring as well. and restoration items will fall into the spring.

Oh, that fall that far north end where they've stopped with the rocky, that's the that's as far as it goes. Um, when I went through tonight, it was dark. I was coming back out tomorrow. Yeah, I was through there yesterday. They still got a little bit of work in there to do. Just talking with Tim. I was just curious. It looked like they kind of had it tapered off down at the north end. So, I wonder if that's as far as they go. Yep. So, getting close and getting that one dressed up there.

Okay. uh citywide water model. Uh if we look at that schedule there, we have draft modeling report early December. Um that draft is being reviewed by the internal team right now and would expect to get that over to city staff to review with Thanksgiving. Um week of Thanksgiving understanding the holiday, I mean we can realistically say they'll probably review will occur still that early December. um and probably look at adoption of that report in January presentation to council on that project as well. So that will include the full report that shows all the existing condition plus proposed condition and future growth within the city uh to really set ourselves up to understand as we get new developments what we should be sizing our water man for. Uh shared use path on this one moving forward with design through the fall here. um looking to have design wrapped up uh call it Februaryish time frame and then we'll go into DOT review HWA review on that project as well. In addition, there's a few site plans that are coming in reviewing those as they come up and observing some of the public improvements for Neielson's development out there.

Here to address any questions on our general engineering, you will get the path built next summer, right? Yes, sir. Justin will be out there with the wheelbarrow if if anything. So, okay. Hope he did he say that loud enough so we got that on tape. Mark that tomorrow. Um I see we got one pay request. You want to handle that? Yep. A pay request for wastewater treatment facility in the amount of $451,588. Uh this is largely reduction in some of that retainage. um still retaining 1% on total project uh releasing some of that retainage due to a lot of that work being done. Okay,

I see we still have a little bit left in our contingency. Motion to approve pay request number 25 to Rice Lake Construction Group for $451,588. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Matson, yes. Bowen, yes. Keel, yes. Rochic, yes. Chilly, yes. All right. You got anything else, Justin? Before we move into the drainage deal, no. I may need to just stall a little bit. I got a quick as you're doing that, a quick question on um approximately how many gallons of water do we use per day in the city?

About 260,000 roughly. I always thought and I think you and I talked about this when I got the tuber. I always thought it was in that 600,000 gallons. It can get that high summer. So that's peak. Okay. Yeah. So the summer peak water um lawn usage, irrigation, everything else those other projects that's where you'll see those commands within that report too. There will be some analysis just on repeat days looking at water trends and looking for future. One of the recommendations we'll be actually looking at, you know, next location for water storage and the volume in that too. So,

we're contracted for 2 million a day. Is that contract good for another two years with Minneapolis County? It is on hold right now until they finish their facility improvements. Okay. And then we'll we're basically Yeah. just sitting on hold until u from what they've indicated to me, they will honor our current hard track price. They won't reduce it. Okay. Thank you. Hasn't been approved by their board, but that's what they're indicating. So hopefully anything else on general engineering? I don't believe so. Anybody else got any questions for Justin? If not, we'll move on to the next deal. All right.

Okay. Jumping into this one. Um I'll ask if I can just have time to present. What I'm going to do for you guys is just go over some theory science between drainage aspects when we look at some of these site plans when communities develop uh look at some historical images um and just recap some of those conversations. Um I know last month's meeting there was some discussion on this. So I apologize if there's some repeat but just want to be thorough in the presentation presented to you guys today. So starting out as the city develops, as a site develops, specifically in the city of Hartford, there is an ordinance uh that requires that private development to manage their storm water runoff. So uh we see that in a lot of communities, a lot of states, it's pretty typical for that. The reason for that is as the site develops, um as we put impervious area on that site, uh there is more storm water runoff. It isn't allowed to infiltrate into the ground. So when we look at that, we look at the existing land condition compared to the proposed and that's what's setting our release rate or existing condition. So we're never going to exceed that um through management of our storm water. Um one of the practices is to create a detention basin. So what that detention basin does, it restricts the outflow of the water. So think of a burm, think of a pond. That storm water is going to go in there and it's going to be restricted at a certain rate before it leaves the site. And that rate at what it's restricted is that existing condition rate. We look at the 5-year storm and the 100-year storm. That's our minor and major storm events. We call that 100year storm event the largest storm event that we're going to see. Now, we all know there's the anomalies. You know, back in 2024 when got that eighth inches of rainfall that's hard to design for. So that's where we, you know, set it at that five and 100 year. Um, but to reiterate, that detention basin is really retaining all that storm water back. So what you'll see in this 100-year rainfall event, the designed

storm, is that rainfall will hit the site. It will be routed to that detention basin. That water level will raise as that water is being detained and only released at that existing condition rate. Um, and then it will go down as water allows. that's going to prevent downstream flooding effects on those properties. Um, when a site plan is uh developed, um, what we require is a storm water report or storm water calculations much as what's shown on the screen up here. Uh, what the design engineer is going to do is going to look at um existing drainage patterns and make sure that we're adhering to those. So, hypothetically speaking, if we got a site that's split in half, half the water goes one way, half the water goes the other way, uh, that's what's going to restrict the volume of water that can go to each one of those sites. We can't just take all the water, push it to one side because some are going to negatively affect this side over here. We likely see some positive effects over here, more negative if there's downstream waterway that's depending on that water, but that's where that checks and balance is coming in on that drainage. This is specifically a site plan for Black Tide. Um, I know it's a little small up there, so I apologize. I'm going to try to zoom in just a touch here. If you can see my cursor, this is that outlet structure for the detention basin. So, that is a culvert that restricts the water from leaving the site to existing condition runoff. This area right in here is the detention basin. So when we see that 5 to 100year stormfall rain event, water is going to decay in that area. That is all pvious area. That's grass, wetland area. So inherently there is water infiltrating at the same time while it sits in there. Um much of the other remaining parts of the site are impervious, but that's where those design kelps come in just to

make sure we have enough area to detain within that uh detention basin. Um,

water that leaves the site from Black Tide, I would say, generally goes north. It runs east along the south side of 258 until it gets to a culvert right in this area where all these labels are, and then it heads north. This point, I think it'll be easier just to flip over here. So, this is predeveloped condition. Uh right in this area is where black tie in and central states. You can see where that label is. Um where we see some of this brown area that's where the water flows. Goes on the south side. It's a culvert. Goes north. Goes into this area. It's another culvert and crosses um ultimately to the east. when we started looking at this um concern that was brought up not only looked at um our drainage report and calculation and I do want to make note jumping back here the design calculations that were provided here uh show the 5-year and 100year rainfall events and shows um that we are reducing the rate at which storm water leaves the site in both the 100year and the 5-year event. That 5-year event, it's only half a CFS. I would say that's pretty negligible, but we are still below um our allowable release rate. But for our 100-year event, um we're actually um reducing that allowable, you know, over half. So, we're see significantly less than was actually in the existing condition rate. Or to put it in other terms, if we didn't have that detention basin, um there would be twice as much water leaving the site at a quicker rate. So that was the first step that I took

in uh taking this review just to make sure that those site plans were in compliance. Again, just doing that other thorough check. Uh the other aspect that we like to utilize is just some historical image uh information. It helps give us some insight to that surrounding landscape, identify drainage patterns that were there prior to and how they changed, modified or remained the same throughout the process. So, as I was noting before, central states and black tie is generally in this area. There is a waterway here and what we can start to identify is wet areas within these fields based on the color differences. So this is July of 2010. So all the green areas is where we're getting some crap crop establishment. These brown areas are where um crops have been flooded out. Going in a little tight uh flooded out or died just due to water inundation. So I think it's important to note these areas um at this time of event before the development of these areas. Few other things to note. When we do cross um that highway with that culbert, there is some vegetation along this area that generally runs to the north. Um call it a grass waterway of such that follows that drainage pattern path to the north. And we also see a little crop uh loss in this area. I measured in earlier today. That was about an acre in area. Um before that water eventually goes out to the east for you guys. So as we pull back, we're just going to flip through years just to see those changes

or just to confirm what we're seeing. So again here this is um you know 2010 again same drainage patterns. You can start to really see the highlighted areas with that drainage swale in this image as well as some of those other natural drainage areas within the property. Flip in 2012 we can start to see states manufacturing uh start to develop. Again, we still have this area um right to the east of central states and black tie. We still have this area that goes to the north. Um and then that other wet line call it just on the west side of of the natural gas station there. Uh 2015 central states is generally fully built out. Uh still seeing some of those same drainage patterns there just by some of these dark areas. Vegetated swale going up there. some drainage patterns there as well as this area. Once we flip to 2017, uh we identify um some changes to the landscape. Um this is generally around the time when this field was tiled as well and that's where we see some of those changes occurring. So when this field was tiled, uh my assumption was that this area was dried out uh was made farmable as well as this uh vegetated soil that was running to the north. So in that some of that landscape was changed. It was turned to row crop for some of that vegetated soil. On the south side here, this is still remaining the same. Um you can see there's probably more farming in this area. May have been a little drier early on. Um, but those wet areas are still still showing up and being pretty prominent. Jumping to 2020,

uh, still seeing seeing those areas. So, on the north side here, uh, this was all farmed. Some of that tiles working, but you can really note those dark areas within this field is where a lot of that water's holding or you're seeing more water inundation. Uh in 2021, we do see there's a little bit of work uh done in that swell there as well. Um just based on some of that uh coloration changes sake of time. Just going to fast forward a little bit here. Uh now in 2022, we start to see uh black tie being able or started to develop. Again, the strange pattern is staying the same. You know, in this year, I would say there was able to be full crop put in there based on weather conditions. 2024, uh, black tie is getting a little further. Uh, this drainage pattern remains very close to the same in all these conditions that we have noted here. Um, this image does a good job in my opinion of showing where that water wants to be. So even though there is a crop in there, you can see where those lighter colors are. That's where some of that water is midating uh those crops long enough to change change that color from that dark green to a light green. Then lastly, this brings us up to current. Um this area still remaining the same, seeing some of these straight edge patterns in here. So with that being said, um based on my review and my analysis of this, um going back with, you know, our allowable, seeing what those existing drainage patterns are, how they transition to our proposed drainage areas, um from my perspective,

that site, uh the development that's occurring on the south side of the road, um is staying within check, not adding any additional water. If um from my perspective in the review, if if there was additional water going, there were some negative impacts, um I would expect to see consistent um drainage patterns all the way through until one of those development um aspects occur and then start to see a major change. So almost like how we went from the back forward and we saw some of those changes on the landscape almost if we go back um for example if this area wasn't present in some of those 2010 or earlier images uh that's where we'd start to dive into that a little bit more and try to understand what those effects are. When we look at everything on the south side too, uh this culvert is going to be, you know, an ultimate restriction on uh the volume of water that can go through at one time to really get to the land on the north. Um and when we look at this, um I know we're talking black and central states. Those are developed lots, but there's approximately 157 acres in total on that south side that drain to the north. So this is a pretty significant watershed when we are looking at one culbert one small drainage path that is going to the north there as well.

So do you think Justin that 48t drop from the 157 acres over to the 51 on the north side of the road? Does that play into this in any I would say because that's natural. What what plays more is that large drainage area too, right? we have that that natural drop in the topography that's creating that drainage area and that volume of water that that goes to the north there. Um, second question, where does that uh tile dump right to that east edge? Um, Adam, you may have to help me out here if my memory serves me correctly. Um, there's

first we put it all kept it all on our land. The one we did in 2020, the fall of 2020 that you can see on 21, we brought from the culvert along the gravel all the way up to the highway and put it in there. So everything before that is on our property going to a cur. You're saying what 21, right? The fall of 2020. You see it on the spring of 2021 right there. Yep. So this one there's an outlet right there, a tile that runs up here and I believe that's a 6 in pipe um with a smaller type inlet right there at the edge that will work.

Adam, you got anything you want to Yeah, I do. Yeah, I guess. Really?

Yep. Okay. Um, I'll just give you guys a map here. Um, it goes back and he can pull them up, too. I know the 2010. I'll show you here. So, here's the map. I highlighted them all and got your directions on there. Okay. Um, so this goes back um goes way back in there, but it hasn't changed any uh when Don Swatson had this piece of property. You can see in the middle that dark area there, that's the way the water comes right in the center of that 80 there. The water comes from the north, comes to the south right there and goes a little bit to the east. And I guess I'll refute what he said about uh when you go back, you can go back to that uh contour map you had on there, that topography map you had. Um anything on the north half of uh Winterstein's 80 there to the east. Um I'll just walk up to you. That's all right. You guys

Everything from about here, that all goes north. Everything here goes south. There's no way it can go to the north. There's a hill in there. There's no way it can go past that. If you got water going over the hill, you better bottle on it and selling it because that's magical water. All right. There's no way that's coming there. I talked to Mike Grace who farmed Don Swanson's ground after he retired. I asked him about this piece of ground. And you can go back and pull 2010 up, 2015 up, and 2017 up and you can see exactly in and Don Swanson's where the water flowed in there. And and Mike always said when he had that, he said the water went right to the center. And there used to be a drain tile in there that went to the south through there and outleted to the south down there. That's what Mike said and that's the way I believed it was too back in the day, back before all this started up. So, um, if you can go back to that, I know it's in 2010. You can see it right there. You can kind of see the spot right there in the center of it. That's the way the water flows. I guess if he wants to go with the way the water flows, shouldn't the water be flowing to the south and not to the east? I guess is my opinion. I guess if he says that's the natural way the water flows and that's why you want to design your drain uh drainage problem, it should be coming to the south and not east, I guess. And you can pull up 2015 and 17. And you can see in those pictures too, right in the center of it, how the water's drained through there before they started getting the soccer part uh the soccer soccer fields built there. Right there. You can see it there. You can see the wet spot there and the winter scenes out to the east right through the heart of it there. There's no way any of that's coming to the north. That's all going south there. Um, and both of those guys I talked to that Stford and Mike Grace and they both said they'll stop those tiles all go to the south and they know the water coming out of Swanson goes through Winterstein and goes to the south. There's no way

any of that goes to the east there. It goes south and kind of southeast anyway to get out of there is the way that water flows. Um, like I told you before back in July, do I dispute any little water coming to the east? No, I don't. There wasn't that much. There's a hill in the center of that piece. And if you guys ever drive 258 going up there, you know you're going up the hill off to that stop line going to the east. And that's the way the natural slope was. Central states, I I'm fine with them. I don't have an issue with them. I believe they're designed right. They got water coming to the west, which I I'm fine with that. They got water going to the east, and I'm fine with that because I believe that's right. Is blacktai having all that water flowing east. And the other thing he talked about too, um, the way getting good in a detention pond, um, I feel like there's so much head pressure on there, there's a lot of slope in that detention pond. I guess it to me, if you want to retain water, why do we got to have a slope on it? Why don't we just make it level and just let it trickle out of there? Why do we got to have a slope on there to speed up the flow of water coming out of coming out of there? And the other thing is there was no culvert there to begin with between the uh property between the properties. Why do we have an 18-in culvert out there right now to let water out of there? I mean right at the bottom of the ground. I don't understand that. I guess to me I'm asking for a reasonable ask is why don't we just raise it up or ways and retain some of that water and just have it like an overflow, you know, water later on. You know, when it gets up to a certain level, let it flow out of there. I guess I'm not asking for a lot. I just want it a little bit higher. I don't really care to have water all the time and getting flooded on us. You know, you know, we put drain tile in there like you said. You know, um I know I think in the report, you know, it looks like we dewatered wetlands in there. Well, we

did our we went through all the forms we need to but the FSA did our 1026 form. None of it's considered wetland. We tiled it all. Um we no tail. We don't do any tillage. So that's why all that water uh grass water lay was in there. My grandpa always did tillillage. He passed away in 2012. And when he passed away, we started doing more drain tilage and we switched to doing no tillillage. So we don't have to till ground up. We don't loosen the soil up. We keep it firm and all that so it doesn't wash. And that's the whole point of it. We don't want the soil to wash. And I guess that's my whole point is I feel like the last two years here we've had issues whereas before I can't say I've really had an issue. 18 19 Yeah, but those were two wet years. I mean I mean I can't really complain about that. But over the last I don't know what Central States been there now 10 15 years.

15 years. And I mean I can't have I don't have an issue with them, you know. And now all of a sudden black ties there. And here I got an issue now of getting flooded out. Um yeah, he showed those acres. We got flooded out last year. We got flooded out this year. When we got flooded out this year, it was just a 2 in rain. I guess how is this compatible for 100 year flood? I guess you know I'm getting flooded out after a 2in rain. Can I ask a question? I just want to point that out. So are you getting flooded out? So here or so where the see the pointer? My god. Yeah. So down here. So you got the retention pond right here. Flows through there

with an 18inch cover. Goes down the ditch, crosses right here to an 18in coper.

Washes all the way down through there. There's no way, you know, we put a 6 in uh tile inlet in there. Um because we really shouldn't be collecting that much water. Really, we should be just getting what Sophurn's farm off the winter schemes. That should be really all the water we should be getting off of, you know, to be collecting. into that. I don't feel like we're getting, you know, an 18inch culver coming out of that detention pond that's plum full. I mean, you guys should have seen the water coming out of there. It was pretty impressive. I've never seen that much head pressure pushing water out. And then coming through the collar underneath the highway. I mean, it I mean, you just see in front of it, you would have been blown away. I mean, it's like a fire hose on you. I mean, it's And uh an acre there. I think he's pretty pretty lax on that. Yeah. It might be an acre or two, but you you've affected about four or five, six acres that you've also stunted or drowned out because I mean not completely drowned out, but you've stunted them by having so much water down there. You know, an acre, you know, I figured I measured central or uh lactite on Google Earth for where their property is for what they have. Um roughly about 10 acres there that can't be infiltrated into the ground when it rains. you know, you get 2 in of rain, that's 550,000 gallons of water coming. So, um, yeah, might not seem like a lot, but when you add up the way they have everything designed, it gets to be a lot of water coming in a hurry on you. And that's my biggest complaint, you know, to me. I just I'm just asking for a simple ask of let's just raise that culvert up and put a smaller one in there and raise it up 3 4 feet, you know, and actually let the pond do its job of retaining water and keeping it there. I guess my my thought is that you guys want businesses to develop. You want development and all that. To me, it's kind of your guys' water. To me, I feel like it's the price

of doing business. You know, it's your guys' water to retain. And why why do I get forced with it? Why do I get a financial hit on it, you know, for your guys' gain, I guess, is what I'm looking at. So, I don't know. Anything else? I I got to ask a couple questions here. Hold on. Okay. So Dustin, where can you pull up a map that shows uh Black Tai's retention pond? Do you have anything that shows their pond? Okay. So that was their proposed building. Where is their

Their pond is generally Do you have a measurement on that number that day? We looked at it how big it was? So their pond is generally this area here. Do they own that? Is that county land? What's the that's their property? They own that all the way down. Yes.

And how how big is that spot? You have a is that is that similar in size to what it was previous to the black tie uh development? Because when we shaped and flattened that area, we we had u retention on the east side and the north side. If I remember correctly, don't property. Yeah. Yeah. There's a detention around the back side of the on the south side of the that wraps around on the south side that wraps around the east. Yep.

And then what did we have on the north prior to blacktai? East and North, wasn't it? On the north side. I think just on the east side. I think it's just on the east. Just on the east side and not the southeast side. There was some on the northeast corner too, wasn't there? So are central states north corner to west. North corner. Yeah. So do central states and black dye they tie together both run into that retain retention pond? No. No. Correct. Central States has it where you see where all the vehicles are on the south side of it. That's banked up and it all goes to the west right there. It heads west. Yeah.

And then does it is there a culvert up there Justin on the other end there somewhere or how does that what are you saying? So out of the right that actually goes to the east. This is part of our tie. So this goes to the east. No where those vehicles they're asking about. He's talking about central state. I'm I'm asking about central state got it. That all funnels to the west. You're saying this area right here. Yeah. Where's the central states? Who's is that? This This is Black T. That's Black Ties. Okay. Central States starts where? Central States is all up in here, but just basically to the north of that

goes to the Is there There's a culvert that runs across up there. It goes to the west. Yeah, there's a culvert in the corner that comes out of that retention pond, whatever. Wherever it's at. I think it's right right here, right? I believe. And there's a culvert there. You can see it when it comes out. Run straight north or runs west. It goes to the west and then it goes across the highway to the north there. And then there's another retention pond right here in Central Stage right here. And that one comes out of the ditch. And that one goes in the ditch. And that one does come over. It will it will get to me eventually. Yes, it will. Okay.

But that one is not I mean I've seen the water come out of that. That one's not very impressive at all. I mean there's not that much water there to to get me too excited about that one. Well, so now I'm going to ask the question that's going to probably start getting everybody wound up. So they own the retention pond. I'm assuming, right? If there's a change that needs made to that, is that something the city I mean that that would be that would be on the site. But um you know, I think from an engineering perspective, they're going to say they're good.

There there doesn't there doesn't warrant a change. If you start modifying this to to detain more water longer and then you're releasing that at a different time period, you're starting to delay that runoff that's actually going onto that land and then you may potentially have more negative effects, right? Because if you're taking that water and you're detaining it longer and say you're pushing it through the system 24 48 hours after that main flush of rain that comes through, you have the opportunity to inidate your crops longer, right? I think the golden rule um you know, you want to try to once that crop gets inundated for 48 hours, you can correct me if I'm wrong, Adam, that's generally when you start to see some of that production loss. I don't, but it's hard to get rid of them. You know, when you got a foot and a half of water standing in your field, it's hard to get rid of that. And that's what I don't disagree with that. But if if you if you continue to delay it and prolong it as you're lowering the water there, you're adding more to it, right? So, that's where we have those design standards where we look at reducing that runoff to existing condition rate. I'm just saying why can't we just raise the just put a smaller put an 8 in pipe in there raise it up 3 foot and just have it use it like a sink overflow you know when your sink gets full it hits the overflow up there and drains out of there can't do something like that

right that's right who put the culbert in and how long's the culver been in contractor would have put it in whatever they built the road right no when they put the retention bond in the culvert was put in under the The one? No, not the road. He's talking the one. I'm talking about the comp. The county when they redid the highway back. We don't have the right to change anything. We can't change that 30 years ago or whatever when they did that. You're not talking that color. You're talking the color that comes out of the retention. I'm talking come out of the retention. So now my next All the numbers support that.

Right. My next question is their engineers say it's good. You guys checked it. It's good. So what do we say to Adam? It's not the city's problem. So then we have to send him to black tie. Is that what is that our ultimate answer? Becomes a civil problem. Oh, and I know what they're going to do. So I know what they're going to say. You know what they're going to say to me. So I'm I'm just saying that. Can we go together and talk to them about this or not? I don't know. Can we, Tom? What's uh Well, I mean, they're going to say the city approved the plans and the and the city engineers and and design engineers all I know that's what they're going to tell me, right?

I know they are. I mean, that's why I can't go talk to them. I have no authority. Well, I mean, the city is go court with them probably, right? That's probably it. But I mean, that's why I'm asking the I'm not trying I'm not trying to be be smart. I don't want to I mean I know I don't want to go to court. I want to do this before. I mean nobody wants to go to court. I mean it's a waste of time and money but you know that's what's going to come down to

I would say having been in your shoes and currently at I'm in your shoes just on a parcel in Sou Falls. Um talking to that property owner didn't help. talking to the city didn't help and yeah, so my next step is would be a civil lawsuit. So I I can empathize with you.

Yeah. I mean, I don't want to I want to do it before. I mean, we don't need to go spend all that money on it. I mean I mean I'll probably still lose on it, but still. But I don't know the owners of black tie, but I would think that they would maybe entertain a conversation and at least come out there with you during a rain event potentially and look at it. I mean, that seems like a reasonable thing. We can't really do anything in November. We have no I mean, we don't have any footage of all the rain, you know. I mean, we have nothing. Not that not that your word isn't any good, but we have nothing

to really reference. Did you want to say something? And just I mean the the city engineering plans and design standards were all met. Yeah. I mean that that makes it very difficult for the city to come in and say you need to change this. We approved four years ago. But even though the way the water flows, natural flow should be to the south. Even though I mean that doesn't make a difference or not. You change the the route of the water. The route of the water is according to the south and you change the water flowing east. Now I don't that's probably more I think we could talk about that till we're blowing the pace tonight. So, I would prefer that

there's a high point. There's a high point somewhere in there because there was it would it would pond south of it would pond at approximately the north, if I'm looking at this right, the northeast corner of our of our northeast ball diamond. It would it would collect there and then that's where it goes. Yeah. On this, it looks like it splits right in the middle of the parcel. Yes, it's about right at the I'd say right at the 40 line. The north and south 40 lines is where I would have all the parcel and you split it in the middle. Yeah. And you go high on that side.

This should all come to the south, shouldn't it? Cuz that's the way the natural flow look goes on according to those maps and even back in on those maps of 2010 and 15 and 17, they're all wet into the center there. So, it shows the water is flowing to the south. But there's about four spots where it's wet to the north, too. Where? Can you? I'm sorry. I'm trying. No, that's not what we're talking about. Well, this this is obviously a public record now. It's something that we can continue to monitor and address, but we just have those do come to the north. We just have no

But those aren't coming off a black tie. We have no authority. Well, yeah, that one is, but the other two aren't. And those two really aren't an issue. They usually farm through them every year anyway. And this is no big deal. I mean, go ahead and say stay with Yeah. I mean, I mean, obviously, we have no authority. I mean, this is on public record. It's something it's an issue that we can obviously continue to monitor. We'll we'll obviously want to be out getting some I'm I'm looking forward to a dry spring, relatively speaking, without a lot of rain. But part of me wants to see a a moist spring, too, so we can really address what's going on here.

Well, I think the question is though, what are we going to do? We can't we have we have no authority other than to say yay or nay what Adam's saying is true or, you know, false or just observe it with our own eyes because we have nothing but your word, unfortunately. and and not that that again like that I'm not saying that's not good but we've got the engineers report we've got previous you know Google photos um we don't have from you is a drain tile layout or any other historicals really you know for your parcel unfortunately like want me to show you where the drain tiles out of there or I can show you exactly where it's out of there

but I I I think Tra I think Travis is right I I think until we get we're pro now that it is we've talked about it. We that's why we asked you to come back for a meeting to talk about this. But I hope you understand our hands are tied. We set the standards. They've met the standards. And really we have to say now it's down to you guys, you and them. And I I get it what you're saying, but you don't know what's going to happen. You know what though? I I've always heard this saying, the answer is always no if you don't ask. So, I think my encouragement out of this would be to at least have a conversation. And

you know, I think that would be a good direction to go. Have a conversation. And you never know. I would ask you this. If you do that, Adam, have a conversation. Please let us know. Either let Justin know, let uh Teresa know. Just let us know. We're keep us apprised of what happens. All right. Okay. For future, be careful how you're doing drainage. I mean, it's I mean, it affects a lot of people. It's It's not fun. I mean, we put all the drain tile in there so we don't have surface drainage. So, we don't have to worry about all the surface water on top of the ground. That's why we have drain tile out there.

Um, that's what I mean, I'm getting. And that's what really frustrating when you spend all the money to put drain tile in and you're still getting dumped on to have surface water. I mean, that's the frustrating part about it, right? Yeah. I mean, I I've seen an 80 that my mom owns that got drain tiled two years ago. Now they're farming at fence with it. It's you make a huge investment and you expect an ROI there to be a crop. Yeah, I get it. But is there anything that says your drain tile is still 100% like it hasn't been compromised? No, nothing could have changed that.

No, I mean I like the last two summers in the center up there, you know, where you said it was drying out. I can't get rid of all that water. I mean, it takes forever when you got how many how many thousands of gallons of s water sitting on there that's, you know, 2 and 1/2t deep, you know, 2 foot deep out there. It takes a while to get rid of that water to drain, you know. So, I know it hasn't been I mean, I've checked all my I check tiles. I've put drain tile in. I check I I know what we're doing for tiles. So, yeah. We're dumping down there by the township. Is that culvert been compromised or is that open? No, it's open. I make sure it's old back. I make sure there's nothing blocking it at all.

There's nothing on the backside on the east side that's tilted in or anything like that. Old water back. I make sure of it. I think Michael had picture of that, right? Yeah. Michael went took a picture of that culbert. I think we seen that last. I make sure there's nothing in there. Yeah, cuz I want water gone. I don't like it. Raccoons. Okay. Well, all right. I guess that's it then for now. for now. Like Sean said, you know, he's a master salesman. Listen, do I always know unless you start start conversation? Yep. Thanks, Adam. When is this photo from, Adam?

Yeah, I think that when is this photo from the '60s? They didn't have a sat This photo is from the 1960s. They had satellite imagery back then. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Wow. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Next up, we have the fire department report. Uh the chief is not here this month. He is uh sent his report in. It's in the packet. All right. Next up, building inspector code enforcement report. Kyle, what do you got? Anything exciting you want to add? No, I think I got everything in the report. You have any questions? Let me know.

Everything's going good. Slowing down for the year, I imagine. Adam, I'm going to circle back with you for a minute. This shows part T, so this can't be from the '60s. What's that? This I see part on this picture so this can't be from the 60s. I don't think Yeah, it's right here. Part two is right here. And that wasn't built till Oh, that wasn't I mean it it dumps right into Nap's front driveway. I mean, I can see it. I live right there. Yeah. So, maybe from the early 1990s. 90s. Yeah. Early 90s. Okay. All right. Anybody got any questions for Kyle? No.

All right. Thank you, Kyle. Uh, next up, Craig.

Just a couple of things to add to my report. Uh, county said they're going to try to get out Thursday or Friday and put those anchors in for us so we can get that radar signed up. Um, they're they're going to use their mini on it, but it's been tied up on another project, so they're hoping to get it freed up toward the end of the week here. Um, October DMRs are finished and completed. Everything went well with them. Um we are close to finishing up discharging ponds two and three and we are working on uh one our irriation pond A. So we're getting that one pumped down. Um we'll just keep working on as long as the weather holds we can still move water. So um parks um we did pick up the lumber today for the pickball bathroom. So we will be getting started on that. The rafters won't be in until about December, first part of December. So, we're just going to keep working on it throughout the time till we hopefully have it all wrapped up in the middle of December, at least get plumbing and stuff done. So, so we'll keep plugging away that. Um, and the concrete at the sports complex should be finished up tomorrow or Thursday. And that's all I got new in my report. Anybody has anything for me? Do

you have a new hire this week? Yep. Started Monday. Thanks. You may have said that, but my mind was also Thanks. Sorry. And he's your builder. He's going to be belammer and say go. I got him going on. He had to bring his own hammer. Oh, he did have to bring his own tape measure. Okay. We're a little short and stuff. All right. Anybody got any questions for Craig? Thanks, Craig. Karen, my report's in the packet. really have anything to add unless someone has questions.

Want me to see the pending for taxes lower than last year? The tax revenue. Yeah, we're we're down a little bit. Total cash is significantly up though. Yeah. Who knows why? Seems like we're spending a lot of money. Yeah. I don't think that's it. We probably paid a big bill last October probably. All right, any questions for Karen? Probably a million bucks for a waste water. Yeah, there we go.

That's when we started signing million dollar checks. All right, we'll move on to Teresa. What do you have to add to your fine report? I don't really have anything more to add than what I have on there. All right, you have questions about that. Nobody's signed up yet to be our snow removal guy. Apps for snow removal. Yeah. Such an exciting job. Jadron have a CD out? Yes, he does. And he is aware that he

assign other duties as assigned. He already knows that. Next week or two, we're going to be getting him in trucks and driving and we're going to get him around those duties as a sign. Hey, did they get a spot? Have they moved? Uh, not yet. He's still toing back and forth. Okay. All right. Any uh Oh, and you want to go over your uh flyer deal?

Yeah. So also in your packet on my add it in my report we had talked about you know doing the flyer I got that 100,000 58 and 50 or you know budgeted in the general fund and in the third penny fund for economic development uh for 2026. last time or a couple times ago, we talked about um doing a little flyer to kind of advertise it out there so you know various groups or whoever's got a good idea for economic development can come to the city. When we talked about that, we says, "Okay, when they do come to the city, what's going to be our criteria? What's going to be, you know, we think it qualifies or whatnot." So, I did put together did a little googling on the internet of different um criteria and put together this second sheet that's in um your packet. At this point, I'm just looking for input thoughts. Is it good? Is it not? Are we missing something? Are you just kind of looking at your input so you know when 2026 does come around and if somebody does come to the city, we've got something to go off of. Um, on number three, vision of the governing board. Is should that be council? Should that be city plan? Who's I who's the governing board?

To me, it'd be like, well, what kind of project is it? Is it a a parks project? Because maybe that should go to the park or something. Is it, you know, who should it go to? Because that may be whoever. I mean, ultimately everything's going to get to you guys. never name. But maybe for starters, but it might start somewhere else. Give it to PNZ, give it to parking rack. Maybe just change it to body more generic. Yep. Small small letters. And then on number eight on funding, um I think that's a good question. Is it secured? But I think we should ask what other funding is available for the project.

Right. Exactly. You know, what is your time frame? Do you have any other funding secured? Is this going to do you have enough funding on top of if you get this can you get this completed and you know is it a viable project that way? So, and I think I'm a little bit not necessarily confused, but because we haven't had a lot of discussion on this and I know we've talked about it a little bit at first time. Well, no, we talked about it probably a month or two ago just briefly though. That might have been the reason when we suggested when we saw the poster we talked. So,

I guess and I think Travis, you kind of thought of this. I know I was gone in August. What I I'm trying to wrap my mind. So, this is a what what are we trying to accomplish here as a council with with this? I mean, so it's open to a whole host of things. It could be somebody, hey, I want to start up a company and I've got this great idea and it could be Yep. we want to build this project or build an off. I mean, it could just be I mean, the floor is open. Is that kind of the idea behind this thing or spur thoughts? Okay. Right. Yeah. No, I'm just trying to catch up on this thing with a plan behind it with actual a business. Yeah, they actually got to give us some information.

They can't just be like, I want to come in and I want it for blah blah blah. I mean, it has to be very specific, like very detailed personal opinion here, but I mean, I can't all of a sudden decide I'm going to open a new business. I'm going to get this $100,000 and open my business. I mean, it would need to be more than a personal benefit. Yes, there's sales tax maybe, but like but how does that fit in? Yeah, and that's kind of where I'm going though. Like what is it that we leadership development? Yeah, you know, maybe for Hartford uh leadership development

program could be maybe someone has another donor or potential grant for some type of recreational facility that we could match or help with. Okay. I don't think we know until we start to see them, but I don't think it's meant to give 100 grand to someone for a new business, right? Well, it came out of a budget meeting and it was meant not to um so the economic development foundation had their ask, you know, and it wasn't it was there was a motion made for less than their ask was and so this I felt was some sort of a compromise

to not only allow them the opportunity to come back with an ask in the future if they felt the need to, but also opened up other opportunities for other um bodies in the other entities in the in the community. Okay,

those are my only comments. I think it's a good start. Yeah, we split it between third penny and uh general general fund. So that gives us even more flexibility. Okay. Well, if you think of anything, we're going to really kick this off in 2026, right? Yeah. Yeah. I know some of them, but if you think of anything as you're looking through this again, just by all means shoot Theresa a note and we'll get a final draft and we'll probably approve a final draft sometime. And I say maybe in January look at this again if the school brought in some kind of a training program or you know we could a work work training program through the school or something.

Yeah. I mean, I mentioned it to our daycare at Grace Lutheran and said, "Look, you guys directly have an impact on economic development in this community if you can enhance your child care program." Yep. So, I know of another organization. They have a great idea. They're working I'm working with them. Not one that I'm a part of. It'll be kind of interesting to see what that you're not. There is there is some I'm not a part of. So I mean there's a lot and I think that you know and whether someone comes and asks for a portion I mean it could be multiple right

it could be multiple as something divided out between multiple organizations within the city I don't think it's meant to like be the sole funding source I guess that's not how I envision it might be something to battle out when we get some ideas but it's meant to like make it feasible It would be awesome if we had two or three or four come rolling in. That'd really be awesome. We really had to that amount. That'd be that'd be very encouraging. All right. Anything else on that? Yeah. So, if you think of anything or any tweaks to it,

let me know and we'll look at this at the beginning of the year and be able to roll it out then. All right. Good enough.

All right. We'll move over to new business. First one ahartford area development foundation funding request Mr. Eric Bartman that is me. Good evening council. I would like to respectfully request the release of last year's allocated funds in the amount of 55590. As you know, these funds were designated to support the foundation's ongoing work in strengthening economic development, improving local infrastructure, and promoting the long-term viability of Parker. This year, the foundation is facing a significant financial obligation related to the street assessment bill issued by the city of Hartford. Applying the previous allocated 5590 toward the assessment will allow us to meet this obligation. responsibly and avoid depleting the limited funds we rely on to support our mission and operations throughout the year. Access to these funds will allow us to remain financially sound while continually continuing to support projects that benefit residents, businesses, and broader Hartford region. We appreciate the partnership we have with the city of Hartford and we thank you for your consideration of this request. Your support enables us to keep moving forward. also like to add with our development up there, we have two projects currently under construction or one that's actually moved into be my my building, the one next door to my my building. There's a lot sold to the west. We have three and a half acres that are also under contract and another really warm lead of anywhere from 20 to 40 acres. All of those projects have been brought under contract without

a realtor without without a real. All that work has been done as the board or any direction without a realtor. Yes. So, Bender signs up there, but you're not using Bender. Well, they probably probably, you know, all those made without having to lead these come through us. Our We don't have to. So, you got two other So, you got obviously got the two projects and then um one sold and or

we have the we have a purchase agreement for three and a half acres north of my building, north of your building, one south, and the lot that is directly west of me. I had a question on the um the street and I was thinking about this today. So when did the do you remember when the board became aware of the street assessment? Was that recently? Me personally, yes. Okay.

I mean I was not aware of it back when and I think that's probably when there was probably a breach in communication or lack of communication of when Amy was still a employee here versus an employee of us. So, I think there was some communication breach there, but it it did kind of become a surprise to me. Um, and it's obviously surprised to business owners, myself and R&D next door too that we're doing those assessments as well. Um, but I guess back to you guys' conversation on your flyer prior to, you know, you guys want a specific ask for what we're going to use those funds for economic development. I guess for us as a board, if we're were to come to you guys outside of this ask, but let's say for next year for this 100,000, um essentially we would like that money for our to pay for our salary of our development director. There is no way this stuff that is funneled through the development foundation can be done without a full-time position. There's everybody that's on that board are business leaders and volunteers and there's absolutely no way we would follow those leads and get the work that we are getting done without a full time. There's just no way.

I think I'm not trying to cut it off, but I think we should like focus on your requests tonight and then focus on your next request. Yeah, there's tie them together. That is my That is my next request. I was just wanting to comment, right? I mean, it's sometimes with economic development, it's tough to be specific. It takes time. What is the What are the funds for the street assessment due and payable? What? What's that? When are the funds when for the street assessment due and payable to the county?

October of 2026. that they have till October 1st of 2026 to pay the city when they can pay all of it, a portion of it or whatnot. Whatever is unpaid by October 1st of 2026 will get sent to the county. Okay. And balance if any. Got it. Okay. And that this year time frame, none of that accures any interest or anything, you know, with the city. If it does go to the county, not a payment plan with interest on it, right?

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, I think the question for the council is that we have this money budgeted budget. I did, you know, we did our budget in 2024. They're asking for in 2025. That's the reality. We had money in 2025 as well. No, I don't. No, we the budget in they asked for it in 24 for the 2025 year year. So we in this year's budget. Yes. Right. Right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. We budgeted this we budgeted that 5590. Yes.

But we did not budget for 26. Correct. I think no that's that 100,000 for me. The the issue I can't wrap my head around is um why you would pay that street assessment early. You know, why would you ask for these funds for the street assessment? It's not due for a year. And you're sharing with us all of the potential um revenue that you're going to be generating on, you know, business development up there.

Well, even the potential revenue that we're generating, we also have 147 acres across the road that's going to need to be be developed. I mean, we can't continue to plead those funds either have nothing to you know to to go across the road and what is it4 million dollars or bore underneath underneath that road to get water and sewer over there. So I mean it's not like you know it's not like that money is going to I mean yeah it's a pot of revenue that we use to continue to develop the city. Yes. The reason why we're asking for this is so we don't delete our I think because it's so specific though I have that's the problem I have with it.

That's what you guys are wanting. You guys are wanting something specific. But it seems but it's a it's on a a bill that's not due for a year and it sets a precedent that at one point we might as well not charge a a street assessment if we're just going to if we're just going to fund the money. 55 590 to so we can pay for our full-time economic before it goes too much further sideways. Can I make Well, it's not I don't know if it's sideways. It's it's headed there. Yeah.

Um I think when we talked about it at the last meeting, you know, the initial request and you happen to be in a far nicer place than South Dakota in November. We talked about, you know, I think there was a request in recognition of the development the purpose of the HIDF if we could wave that assessment. And I think our answer to that was no.

No. Right. And so that I think then the next question was well what if the funds that we had planned to use because of the shared purpose um for HADF would be used basically for that assessment and that would be the purpose you know that I think we had asked for previously. So that's kind of how we got here to this PL. Yeah. You know, to where we, you know, from one pocket to the other. Um, right.

Do we want a, you know, a gesture with with those budget funds to help HADF with those assessment fees for only HADF, but that the assessments would go out as planned. So that was kind of how we got at least my version of how we got to this discussion. Yeah. Right. Sure. I mean the assessment has to be paid no matter what. We establish that now. Yeah. That's what would the assessment be again? 28 54 $100,000 $1,100 $54,000 towards the Thank you.

So there's another $1,100 change over that would essentially square us almost right up to 55. I think to your point, Travis, what the word I've used is optics. We're billing the other the businesses and we're really right right pocket left pocket in this money and I'm just I'm curious how that looks. That's my and not that we want to tell you what to do. It'd be easier if it if it said for operating expense blah blah blah blah blah and call it whatever. That's my only two cents because

I think it's, you know, I would look at it as continuing to support the development of that particular piece of found. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, property. Yeah. I mean, they they they can still holds those lots. So, All right. I mean, essentially, if we didn't have,

luckily, we have a three and a half acre parcel that's still we're going to be closing out hopefully after the first year. And that would continue to help us, you know, to operate to pay our fulltime director. Um, like I said, we're doing that without a without a realer. We're doing getting these sales done without paying a 6% commission. So, and I like to think everybody on that board is looking in the right direction for Artford to bring the right businesses to that development. We're not looking to bring storage sheds. We're not looking to bring stuff that is not bringing jobs. We're looking and we're turn we're turning away things that have that are not attractive. we're just not even looking at. So, I feel like we're looking at the businesses there and but without anybody in a full-time seat there,

you can't operate. You can't operate. You don't have the time to do that. Nobody has the time to somebody. And I think the further I mean this is I think the further conversation here and like I said, I'm not going to go but I think this all plays into it. I mean, obviously there's been miscommun I'm not going to say miscommunication, but I think there's been I don't think the city has been as close to the HADF as in the past. Is that a fair way of saying that? Probably. Um hopefully we can fix that,

right? Yeah. So, I mean I I think um I guess my my hope would be um you know, is to bridge that gap, whatever that looks like. I think if the city and the HADF are growing in the same direction even better than what we're doing now would be a benefit to both entities. I mean city said it right earlier. I mean it's leadership development. I mean I think there is even if it can come from the HAF somehow leadership development needs start community because nobody wants to step up and sit at this table or sit at our table.

Yeah. And you look at the average age that was average age of people that were in our strategic planning meeting. It was almost 50 years old. So, you know, we That's because I brought it up. You wanted to say it. I know you wanted to say it. But we need that leadership development community to get the younger. Oh, Darl brought it up higher. The younger generation. If you notice this, everything's about our Oh, MAN. Holy smokes. I think the youngest one in that room was 38 years old, right? Probably that was Teresa. Yeah, I think I was on the high.

Well, I think you know, communication, clarity, and transparency goes a long way. Um, what's your role as a at the HADF? I'm vice president as af. Okay. When does that first year? Okay. President. That sounds good. I just the there's a nice article in the paper today and it references Justin IKEA as the president. So I was just clarifying you know who was interrup transitions.

I I don't have a problem with the ask. I have a problem with the use of the funds. That's my that's my concern. Why would you why would you pay that street assessment early? I I certainly would. How else? So it it seems like the ask is for something that you think we would potentially approve, but from a business mindset, I'm not going to I mean discussion. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean I think that's just my opinion from a business mindset. You would you wouldn't pay that early.

I pay the day of not a year early. We don't pay to the electrician early. Yeah. Make sure you write your check out correctly. It will bump. It will come back. Yeah. Anything else? If not, we need a motion. And uh I'll make a motion to approve the funding request for HADF in the amount of $55,590. Do we have a second? I will second it. Any more discussion

hearing? None. We'll vote. Matzah, yes. Bowen, yes. Gee, absent. Harachek, yes. Shelling, no. So that's three and abstain. So that fails. And I don't get a say, do I? No. All right. So, what's our next step? It dies. We either put it back on the agenda for another Can we do that? We put on agenda every single meeting if you want to, but

I would just like to see it at our next meeting with a different uh verbiage. same with different verbiage. You literally can't make a motion now to do it though. You can't make a motion now. Well, we can't really change your can't change the paperwork the topic of the Yeah. of what's on the agenda. Yeah. Unfortunately, what's on the agenda is the prove the funding request. Um I would love to make clear. You don't have to come back third. You can send Amy. You could just submit it to Teresa. We understand why you need the funds. I just can't look at the taxpayers and tell them it's for your street assessment.

Okay. Well, next we get to I'll have a proposal to appoint Keith Carlson to the Ward One seat. Travis, I'll let you kind of steer uh this because you were the one that uh went and solicited. Would that be a good word? Solicited. Keith,

I I asked Keith if he felt any obligation to perform any kind of civic duty. No, I did not. But he did say that in his message which he sent to me which I thought was really great. Rarely do we have people say I feel that it's within my civic duty to step up and do this. And I think I told you that today we have very few people do that Keith is my neighbor. Keith's lived in Hartford for seven years. Seven years now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great to hear. Yeah. I was looking up you up in my system and you weren't in there. So it means it's been more than four because we changed our system um in for Travis Electric stuff

data over man. Well, you got to cut it off at some point, right? Like you know 10,000 customer stuff, you know, that don't import. Well, but um Keith uh has likes hockey. Uh Keith lives on parti likes golf. Uh sounds like Duncan. Do you know Duncan? I actually convinced Duncan to come here. Really? Yeah. And there's that connection. So you're who to blame. No, I'm going to stay. He's a great guy. There's that connection as well. And I was surprised he was a friend of a friend. And uh and then we he asked about South Dakota and um and I gave him the whole spiel about why he should why he should move here. Took him to a Stampede game if I remember. Right. At a coffee shop and said,

"This is what we did." And they just I gave him a whole probably six, seven sheets of I had handwritten stuff, but what we like about So yeah. And he's a big hockey nut. You took him to a hockey game, I think he told me. Yeah. Or you hooked him up a little. Yeah. He's done a little of everything. But yeah, he's a hockey nut. And so knowing that, I knew uh Keith's heart was in Hartford. I mean, you know, really felt I didn't how passionately he felt about the community. obviously, you know, felt passionately enough to talk Duncan into coming here without, you know, necessarily selling him on it. Just say, "Hey, this is this is what it is."

And so, uh, gosh, we had, uh, not, um, there had been some debate to start and I about, you know, several different folks in Ward One and just on a whim called Keith and um, asked if he or his wife, you know, would would be willing to fill a one-year commitment on city council and you you agreed and so thank you. Well, thank you. That was it was a shock, but it was a I was honored. I was surprised, but yeah, I think that's awesome. Thank you. All right. Do you want to make that motion?

Yes. Love to love to make the motion to appoint Keith Carlson to Ward One Council. Second. Any other discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Matson, yes. Bowen, yes. Keel, yes. Parach, yes. Shill, yes. Welcome aboard. We will swear you in at the next meeting at the beginning and then you'll take a spot and you'll take a spot and Cindy will be gone only. I'm only on one week now. Yeah. So, so she'll be gone only one meeting. Okay. And I gave Teresa your phone number today, so she will be in touch.

Okay. And if you and I need to talk in the next couple weeks before if you feel anything you need, you have my number now that since I called you and uh we can sure get together and talk and these guys are all on the website if you need to talk to any of them and you talk to Travis on a regular basis. So from usually from across the How's it going? So all right do we have anything for exec? I do not. I do not. Do you got anything? Anybody got anything for exec? I don't think so. Tom, you got anything you want to yell at us? I'm not going to yell at you tonight. That's rare. You've been well behaved. All right. I call for a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjourn.

All in second. All in favor?