Development and Zoning Review Committee - Regular Meeting

If the proposed development does proceed to the formal submission process, members of the public will have numerous opportunities to address the city's planning and zoning commission andor city council regarding it. At that time, the committee would like to thank you for your attendance at tonight's meeting. Um, so can I get a roll call of committee members, please? Council member Brost here. Council member Jaxi, Council Member Rambo here, Geritano here, and Cher Batty here. Thank you. Thank you. Um, does the Department of Planning have any opening comments? Yes, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Mr. Chair, and members of the committee. First of all, we do appreciate you making time to participate in tonight's discussion. So, thank you. As was kind of alluded to in our preliminary conversations before the meeting was called to order, the department of planning w met with Mr. Summers and two of his employees who operate a nursery plant nursery in the city of Manchester. They are interested in participating in an auction of what used to be Far Greenhouse. And Far Greenhouse is located on State Highway T St. Alburn's Road about halfway between Route 100 and the Franklin County line. More recently, it was purchased from the Bell Roses by Soloulless Agra Science and they had submitted a request to amend the zoning ordinance to accommodate research facilities in the non-urban resident district and then a conditional use permit to operate a facility at the farmer side of far greenhouse. Mr. Summers um again is

interested in the property. He has a current plant nursery in the city of Manchester which he has outgrown. And the quirk in all of this is that it's an auction. It's not just a property posted for sale where people can bid on it and then there's counter proposals, etc., etc. So, there is a bit of an urgency. Mr. Summers contacted the department and wanted some asurances that if he was successful at the auction that it could be used for a plant nursery and sales room. And those asurances I said I could not give but certainly the development and zoning review committee could at least delve into it and maybe give their impressions. So there is no formal design per se and that's why you received the aerial photography with the center five plus acre site identified. There may be a question if the auction includes the other properties or if it's just this 5 acre site and those Mr. Summers certainly can answer versus the department. It's a little unusual for the development and zoning review committee, but again from the perspective of the department, it is a format that could provide some direction or at least some impressions of a plant nursery reoccupying this particular location as was far greenhouse for decades and decades. So if there are any questions of the department, I'd certainly be glad to try to answer them at this time. And thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Vunich. Um I guess at this time uh we'll invite Mr. Summers to come forward and te um give it tell us what he plans to do with it and we'll go we'll take it from there. So Mr. Summers.

Hi. Uh, as you guys uh are aware, my name is Joe Summers. Uh, in my office with me today is my daughter, Lily Summers, who works with us here at Challe. And then I also have one of our key guys, Caleb Sadel. Um, he's just off camera. So, um, so Chile has been around 14 years and Lily has, um, put together a little slideshow, just I think five slides that show a little bit about what we've done in those 14 years. and I think she's going to share it now. Then um basically we've outgrown the Manchester location and for several years we've been uh looking actively more in the last six months and this property became on our radar. As uh Joe said the caveat here really is the timing because it is a auction. We're trying to pull as much diligence as we can. history of what was um the issues with the most recent owner and to avoid avoid any of those problems um as we make a decision. The auction is scheduled to take place on April 30th. Um so we just have a few days to really decide if we want to participate in that auction or keep looking for something else. Uh we do know that Chile is going to move in 2025. We just don't know where we're going to move to just yet. All right. Thank you. Are you able to Okay. Um I'm trying to share the screen. Travis, can she share a screen? She should be granted permission if she can. Yeah, we default they have permission to share screen. Okay. Thank you.

I don't know if it's my laptop that's not allowing it. So, in the lower corn or the lower toolbar, you're able to see a green arrow that says share. Should be right in the middle. Kaylin, do you want to see if you can hear it now? So, alternatively, if it'd be quicker to email it to me, I can have it up in just a matter of a minute or so. Okay. Yeah. So, basically what's going to tell you is a little bit is we started here in 2011. Um, we're small family operation. Started that way and still are. um we've grown over those 14 years, but this location is just physically too small. Similar to far, we grow our own plants and um different from far is all we really do is concentrate on aquatics. So, anything for the backyard pond owner. So, we do a lot of water lilies and what we categorize as shallow water plants. So things that you might be aware of would be water cannas, um, uh, water hibiscus. Um, most plants have cousins that grow in the water. So if you're familiar at all with a regular garden plant, they probably have a cousin that goes in the pond. So our typical customer will then uh, visit us once or twice a year and purchase some items for their pond, whether it could be a new pump or a new filter. Obviously we concentrate a lot on plants and then we do stock and sell fish also um koi and goldfish varieties and uh that's really what we've been doing self-sufficiently. Um but thank

goodness uh we have had success and it's time to expand. We we have started growing plants on an off-site location but that is 15 miles from the Manchester store and logistically it just doesn't make sense to keep doing that. Uh we also had to uh rent a small warehouse in Fenton which is I think six miles from our location. So our dream is to consolidate all of that into one location and then have some room for growth also. Thank you. Um, Mr. Chair, if I may. Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Vunich. While we're trying to work out the share screen, Mr. Summers, is the auction just for the five plus acre site, does it include anything else? That was a key question. Yeah. Uh, it should, as far as we know, it's only for I think it's 5.5 acres. Okay. So, um I know Pat Belrose lives, if you're looking from the road looking at the property, Pat would live to the right. Um I'm not sure who owns the property to the left. I assume at one point the Belrose was using it because it it looks like there's, you know, old nursery type items over there. But, uh this auction, that screenshot that was just up there, that's the only property that we're speaking of. Yeah. Thank you. Um, just out of curiosity, do you you think the five acres is enough will be enough land for what you're planning on doing? Yeah. Yeah. If you add all of the the square footage and acreage that we're using now, spread over those three locations I spoke about, we're only using, I think, one and a half acres. So, this allows us to more than double

what we're currently doing. Okay. Yeah. Um, do any does anyone on the commission have any questions at this point? Mayor Garitano. Yes. Hi. I I do have a a couple of questions, but uh first one, I'll start off with Joe Vunich. uh based on the use that was there when far greenhouse was operating and I recall when solace was proposing their use believe and this is where I'm trying to rec recollect that we had to approve that use so how does that work like with uh what we're hearing like for tonight Is that automatically always going to be required for approval? Or if the use is exactly the same as FAR, does does that continue on? As best as the department could determine, there has not been a conditional use permit granted to this property. And simply stated, it predated much of St. Louis County's zoning. And so it's always been kind of a legal non-conforming use. And so when Mr. Summers met with the department earlier on this month, we advised them that it's going to require a new conditional use permit. We'll have a public hearing. It will be posted. We'll do the mailing. But again, I think from Mr. Summer's perspective with the auction and the kind of the timeline associated with it. He was looking for just some idea of would another nursery not like Soulless, not a experimental or research facility, but just a true plant nursery with sales room still be something that would be considered by

the city. Yeah. And I think that's certainly the challenge uh is that you know we we can provide I guess so much information out of this but uh you know without going through the full process not be able to give you a final answer but uh you maybe we could be educated uh about this type of proposed use how similar uh it is to perhaps what FAR was doing there? I hear these are types of uh aquatic type plants. So, is that a different type of uh setup um you know, educate us a little bit more on, you know, is is water being used? Is water released anywhere? things that I'm trying to understand because we heard when Solace was bringing up there were a lot of concerns about uh lighting at night um and and contamination in the area um you know whether it was water or whatever liquids that they were using. So that's what I'm curious to hear more from the petitioner tonight. Yeah. Um so in general water plants um on average will use less water um less irrigation to produce them because what we'll do is fill up a tank um which is just there's just a rubber membrane like you would use on a flat roof and uh build a frame and then put that membrane in and fill that tank up and then fill um fill that tank with water and then we would add our plants. So in a normal setting like far produced a lot of uh poinsettas, they're going to irrigate those poinsettas, you know, at least two or three times a week depending on the weather and things like that. And whenever you're irrigating something like that in a in a terrestrial plant,

there is going to be water that runs out the bottom of the pot and off um to wherever the the irrigation ran. But in a water situation, water plant situation, we're going to end up using less water than them because we're going to fill that tank and that water is just going to stay there. Um, we will of course have to clean tanks. Uh, typically we do them once a year or so, get ready for the next season. Um, not all plants are grown in submerged water. So, we will still have regular plants that are irrigated whether by hand or if the like far had drip irrigation or some sort of irrigation system. I think overall our production is going to be much less and our water use is going to be much less than far um ever used. I I have no idea what solois solor how do you say it solless I think yeah solless I have no idea what they were doing so um I have no reference point for a little history on mine I I did grow poinsettas once u for a 5-year period for Missouri Botanical Garden so I I know what the pain of the butt that crop can be um they have lighting issues and it was really about keeping out light to make the poinsettas do their thing on time uh we We do not have any lights at all. Um the only time you might see a light there if we moved into that property is if I'm in the office way too late, like often happens with the any small business. But yeah, there's no lights at all on the plant material. Great. This is very helpful information. So I do have a followup because you did mention tanks. Do you have to use any kind of like air raators for these tanks? uh we have experimented in the past but we have not used areration in years um we found no benefit at all. Okay and the reason I asked this and this what greatly appreciate if you if you could share. So we we have had

another area that uh had some kind of airrating devices that were creating a constant humming noise and so uh that became an issue for those residents and ultimately for the city. So so uh it sounds like you don't use any air raators. So then then uh is it safe to assume you would you don't have any kind of motorized uh any kind of motor running or anything like that that yeah no aeration or motors running in the plant production side of things. Now the retail side of things you know we do sell fish as I mentioned before. Now, those tanks will have a pump and um irerration for them, but it's more in line. I'm not sure what what the history was with the other place, but this would be you're thinking more for us, the application would be more in line with the aquarium. So, if you went to the aquarium store, um an aquarium and a pond are very similar um because most people are adding these things for relaxation u to get in touch with mother nature. So, our pumps are all designed to be quiet. Like, if if you had a backyard pond, the last thing you want to hear is a motorized hum all the time. Yeah. All the mechanics are much quieter. The irration is much quieter. Uh similar to an aquarium, you know, if you had that in your bedroom or in your living room, you you don't want to hear any noise. So, our equipment is really designed to to enhance the the enjoyment of the water feature, and you definitely aren't getting that side noise. Okay. and and that's what it says because what I'm referring to is probably more like in big industrial air raators uh for a fish farm. Um so uh and then that was outdoors. So what you're referring to are these all located inside the green houses like from the tanks to to like what you said or is there stuff outside? Just just try to paint the picture for

us. at our Manchester um retail location. Yeah, the fish tanks are inside and outside and it's just a space issue in the plant production area. We have no fish and no no tanks like that at all. All right, I think I I asked u most my questions. I might come back with some more, but I want to give others a chance. Thank you. Yep. And I think Lily has emailed u Travis that little slideshow we put together. Um, I also reached out just like I I'm trying to get a feel for the city's official point of view. I I want to speak to the residents. I reached out and someone else mentioned noise and so once I respond I I'll you know put those fears to rest hopefully for them too that we we just don't have those issues as a normal uh uh what the resident said was a tilapia farm. So yeah, I think it's a totally different operation. We're we're trying to enhance your life and I don't think anyone would knowingly put in a pond if they thought that it was going to be noisy or Yeah. All right. Thank you, uh, Councilman Brost. Okay, I got the mute off. Um, yeah. I mean, when mayor started asking the questions, I I had raised my hand prior, but I apologize. I saw his first. No, no, no. I I just want to reinforce the the questions that were asked, and I think we really touched on the main concerns that the residents raised, um, you know, on the on the prior application for the property for the use. So I I think this falls, you know, and I I I don't I I know it's a very scary decision to buy

something. Um the but I I think this falls within an area that I I don't feel would have that much opposition and and I think that's the guidance that that we're supposed to do at this level. Um and and I guess you know maybe for Mr. Voonage if if there was a you know some feedback maybe you could provide even after this call but I I as to the main concerns that were raised. I I I think this is a definitely a different use for the property and and it sounds like it'd be a nice addition not only for the city, you know, but for that, you know, for the the continued operation of, you know, that property. So, I um that's what I I want to say. I I mean nothing I mean the noise the light the you know possible contamination of water those are the main issues and I don't feel that that's an issue with this proposal. So yeah if I might interject I I feel like a lot of the concerns were because Soloulless was being very vague with what they wanted to do. um the like the opposition wasn't so much for far continuing. It's just that I feel like my impression is that Solless didn't provide a whole lot of information about what they wanted to do with the property and so everyone was scared. Yeah. A and the lighting, you know, it, you know, there

the type of operation or facility seemed like it potentially would have been active, you know, more on a potentially a 247 type where this will be, you know, other than working late at night. Th this would be probably much more similar to what the residents uh and all you know and what they said really what the residents enjoyed during the all those years that FAR was operating. I mean I think we've all been there. So um so I I mean I I am rotating off console. Um, so you know, like you know, I'll certainly if you if you get to a point where you're making a proposal, I you know, I live in the adjacent ward, but I would, you know, I would voice a support for it, but I, you know, as of the after the May meeting, I I won't have a vote for it. So, um, I'll be off planning and zoning and I'll be off city council, but I I I do feel that that this is a fit. So, I but but you know, you're you're uh you're in good hands with Mr. Voonage and Travis and his team. Thank you, Chair. Yes, sir. With your permission, I believe Mr. shot and Miss Henson are on the call tonight the webinar and certainly if they have concerns or questions they can email them to me and I can pass them on to Mr. Summers and Mr. Summers can answer them and then I can relay them back. So there's an opportunity if they if we've missed something or there's been something said that they'd like further

details, I offer them that opportunity if Mr. Summers is willing to respond to them if I get anything. Oh yeah. Yep. Yeah, the my only issue is this this April 30th looming. It's just it's way too fast for me. I that's not normally how I operate, but it could be a good opportunity for us. Um so, um we know we have to move and so we we would like to explore this as best we can. Understand. Uh Councilman Rambo. Yeah. Hi folks. Um, uh, the good news is I, um, I'm a fan of a greenhouse, uh, I'm a fan of a business like yours in that place because, um, FARS has been there my entire life and I'm 70 years old and I would love to see it, um, t uh, get a new life uh, in a similar, you know, kind of situation. particularly yours, I'll be honest, because your facility in Manchester is just such a nice, lovely, appealing, homey, um, rambling kind of blooming place. And, um, it's just, uh, uh, that's, you know, um, that's the best possible, um, um, kind of a kind of a of an image that we could have on on such a um, location. And I um I'm very pleased to hear that there will be no light pollution concerns. There will be no noise pollution concerns. Um the other folks um and I I should mention that we had myself and my counterpart, Colonel Jaxi, had um a number of meetings with the residents over there with up to 30 people at a time talking about their objections. And um those were only two. Um the others

were um if there are you know a thousand gallons of runoff at a time where does it go? Does it go into the creek? Where do you where will you be draining your tanks uh and um and and so forth? And would there be any uh any um you know chemicals like uh fertilizer is a pollutant in the wrong circumstances. Certainly herbicides and pesticides and those kinds of things are pollutants. So they were rightfully I think concerned with Solace's proposal because of the potential magnitude you know of you know runoff and so we have to be you know real clear about what chemicals you use and what your plans would be for the runoff because I think it's on a septic system which might not be adequate to a um to that business but of course it was grandfathered and so I'd like to hear you talk about that a little bit. Um, but I also want to um see if you ask you if you have um looked at the infrastructure carefully because uh we gathered that the all the wiring in virtually all of the green houses was done by cousin Larry and Uncle Joe and it has bare wire, you know, twisted together and all kinds of things that just are not up to code. And so if part of your purchase um plan or vision is to, you know, utilize those green houses, I urge you to take a real hard look at them uh before you um before you place a bid and also to get some clear understanding of what cleanup might be required because there were allegations. I don't know if they were substantiated, you know, independently or not, but there were certainly comments that to the effect of, you know, chemical residues on the site and so on and so forth. And I don't think it's a super fun site by any means, but there might be uh those concerns. So, could I I rambled around a little bit,

but could you speak to both of those uh points, please? Yeah, there's definitely uh concern because it's not a a forale property. They don't have to provide us with much. you know, it's just an auction. Uh, we did we did open they did have a open house. I think it was April 2nd or something. So, we spent some time there. Um, and as you said, there's just a lot of stuff going on. And, and now that I knew it was Uncle Larry, it makes perfect sense what was going on. Um, but yeah, that that's one of those things that scares me, just the amount of stuff that we just have to clean up. um because our operation is so small compared to that space, I think we would just start zoning it out and um this zone we concentrate on getting it up and running. Um I don't know about the septic system, so I I had noticed on that visit that um it looked like all the gutters from the greenhouse all ran underground. Um, I I do value Pat. I don't know the Belrose, you know, for many years, but the green the greenhouse industry is pretty small. So, I've met Pat over the course of 20 years or so. He he probably couldn't have picked me out from the lineup or anything, but um I did speak to him on the open house and he seems like u he's, you know, wanting whoever takes over to be successful. So, I would lean on him for some some hey, what's going on here and where does this go and how does this work? Um, so I I would just lean on him to to offer me advice of why is this this way and how do we get it, you know, up to code and up to standards for going in the future. Yeah. So, so nobody wins if you guys buy this place and can't make a go of it and find all kinds of horror stories under the covers. And I just want to restate

my my strong support for what I've heard so far and for a business like yours particular yours in particular because it's just a you got a great place there in Manchester and I would love been here before. I'm sorry. You've been to Chile before? Yes. Yeah. And um every time I drive by it kind of it's kind of heartwarming uh to see it. And so so uh um I'd love to see you guys be a success, but and I'm trying to help you not be a not be a failure. So you look into those things particularly the the the drainage because there will be tons of questions before you get a conditional use permit. Okay. But um you know so so again chemicals the water runoff the amount of runoff and um and uh the you know the infrastructure within each um each greenhouse. Sure. Yeah. And just for everyone on the uh committee's benefit I'm going to share my screen here. I've um I've got uh Google Earth on the left here compared to the image that was in our PAMP or packet. And so Google Earth um has a date of September of last year. So it's a little more current than what we have here. I'm mostly showing it to show that it looks like they've taken out some of the green houses behind the building. Yeah, from what I gather that that would be the Belrose property, you know, where Pat and his wife still live. I assumed Solaris didn't want them or I I don't know the history there, but yeah, I I noticed that on site and from the photos that that those um they're I guess the one on the my left as I view the screen. It kind of looks like what I visited back in early April that the the

structures are gone, but it's kind of just a mess there. Yeah, because the proper it was weird how the property line cut right across this group of green houses. So, I'm guessing that might be part of the reason those are gone now. Yeah. But, u but yeah, I just wanted to since I had the more current view up here, I just thought I would share that with everyone so for everyone's benefit. But, um does anyone else have anything? Um as I'll just concur with what everyone else has said. It's um barring any hidden issues under buried under the surface. I I think it would be a great addition, too. Um it's it's a nursery. We've got a couple of them out in rural Wildwood, and there I like having them out there when I'm doing my plant hunting each year. Mr. Chair, would you like to see their slideshow? I think Sure. share screen with it now. Mhm. I did receive uh an email, but I only got one slide. Is that correct? No, it should only be five, but uh you know, one doesn't say much. Didn't want to inter interrupt the discussion. So, so she'll resend it now. Yeah. In the coming days, I I hope to uh reach out to more residents just to get a feel for what they're thinking, too. But the last thing I want to do is is be a bad neighbor. Um the city of Manchester's always been great to us and um I think I told them back in December that it was time for us to move and um they they suggested this property and

that property and even hooked us up with the agent to uh try and find something. So, I think our history with the city of Manchester has been good. That's what I want to continue wherever we end up that I don't want to be, you know, upsetting somebody and having issues there. So, I appreciate everyone's time to help relieve some of our our initial stress and like what what went wrong and how do we avoid that. Yeah. And I I would say the biggest thing is just to be upfront and have have as much of your plans available and available for scrutiny and um yeah just yeah like you said reach out to some of the residents in the area and get talk to them tell them what you're planning and try to qual their concerns. Right. I think it's great that uh some of you have been here because you know we've been here 14 years and what we what you see is what you get with us and um we don't have any major changes just maybe some breathing room because we just pack it in here now when we when my wife and I moved in here 14 years ago. I I honestly had said to her, "Oh, we we're going to have to rent some of this space to someone else. This place is huge." But it's amazing how fast you fill it up. one season in and I was like, "Oh my gosh, some of our stuff is so big." And and as a a nerdy plant person, I if I have one water lily, that's great, but if I have 10 water lilies, that's even better. So, uh just keep adding more and more waterlies and water plants. Okay. So, I guess Travis, you'll you'll be in charge of flipping these. Yep. Just let me know when you're ready for the next one. Yeah. Yeah. So, my wife and I established our place here in spring of 2011 uh where we just wanted

to celebrate water in the garden. I uh I was a traditional plant grower uh for most of my career until I went to Missouri Botanical Garden and then I switched over to aquatics and I never really left that world. So, our our store opened here 14 years ago, and we have two children, uh, a boy Charles who's a junior in high school, and our daughter Lily, who's I think 25 this year. And so, we just combined their names and named our store Chalilly. Okay, we're ready for the next one. So, I am a horiculturalist by train uh training. I did, as I mentioned already, a a stent at Missouri Botanical Garden. My uh main claim to fame was I was able to go to the Amazon rainforest and reintroduce some of the giant water lilies that you've probably seen down at the botanical garden or even photos of people um um setting their babies or even full full grown ladies standing on those giant liies. So um all right, let's go on. Our focus is just to celebrate water in the garden. So, we sell aquatic plants, fish, water feature accessories such as um fountains and um um yard decor, things that would go in your garden. Uh I already said we're here out of space because it's 14 years old and and it's time and this this building's uh even older than than Fars. The photo in this was a house up until 1971. The folks who built the house still own the house. Um they did recently put the property up for sale. So that's why I say we're moving regardless. But that family uh built the house in I think 1920 19 26 or

198 I forget. I think the building's 102 years old, something like that. Um, and so, uh, I think that was before Uncle Larry was doing any wiring. So, it it's, from what I understand, it's going to become a, uh, um, coffee shop. So, um, this building plus the neighboring building will be raised and a drive-thru coffee place is coming. So, no more water features here on Oh, I forgot there was another slide. So, we're just wanting to put our our final roots down. My wife and I are my wife is a uh kindergarten teacher in Wildwood, actually at Hope Monasuri. She's been there 30 years. So, we're just ready to put our roots down business-wise with enough space to continue to grow. Is that the last slide? Yes, I believe so. Okay. All right. Well, thank you for that. I gota think Lily. Uh I might be in charge, but definitely the uh the brains of the computer operation is Lily and Caleb here. So yeah. Um and you kind of touched on before, but the fish tanks, are those going to be primarily inside or outside? Um, here at at the Manchester location, we started with I think it was 10 tanks inside in a makeshift garage and over the years we just had more demand for fish. So, we added I think we have seven or eight something like that tank. I'd have to count them, but we have uh tanks outside too. What they are is they're blue tubs that are 4 foot across and about two foot high. That's what we're using. out that that doesn't mean you know that they won't change in the future if they start making them in black or you know who knows what what the manufacturers to do but that's the

way it is right now. So we started out inside but now we have some inside and some outside. What would your plans be for Wildwood or are you far enough along to even think about that? No. No. One of the issues there at Wildwood is we have uh the that house that you saw in the photo, we jam it packed with um pumps and filters and you know fly traps for your um um the living fly traps. So there's lots of things inside. Um and what FAR doesn't offer right now is a real retail setting. Um, I don't know if I was ever there as a retail customer, so I don't know where they put things like u um trolls for sale and guard accessories that people would need soil. I have no concept of where they did that. So, that's one of the things we would have to um figure out where are all these things going to physically go. Um because of the frontage, I would assume we would put stuff in that first set of green houses kind of like where they had their cashier station. That that would be gut reaction that it would all end up in some similar spot. So, if I can interject, that's all they had. They didn't they didn't sell a lot of, you know, garden accessories and okay, books and gardening gloves and t-shirts and everything like you see at the botanical garden. It was just you come in, you buy your tomato sets or your poinsettias or you know whatever the heck you want and mums in the fall and uh and that was it. Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Their accessories were basically dirt, maybe mulch. Yeah, right. So yeah, but pre I yeah, I was there several times and but pretty much every time it was just in that main building at on the northern end of the property close to one close to Highway T.

Sure. Yeah. I don't think we're far enough along to start actually would go or where that was will go. Okay. Um well, go ahead, Mr. Vich. Just a a word of caution to Mr. Summers. I don't know how much wildlife the city of Manchester has. But out here there's fox, there's coyotes, there's all kinds of things that would love fish. So just a word, you know, surprisingly on Manchester Road on 141 is mink. And uh I don't know if you guys are familiar with mink, but they they eat fish. So, it's it's a problem. Yep. I was wondering if I was going to ask about water birds like egrets and herand stuff. Um because they'll come in and clean out a a a koi pond in a day. Yeah. Yeah. That's good for business um our time. So, we we support them 100%. But when uh when we when we leave at night, uh you know, we talked about those little 4 foot blue tanks. Every night they they have a little net that goes over them. So, we don't really have a big issue. Now, the mink, every once in a while, um when they when they're really hungry or brave, they'll come up and get in those tanks, but uh for the most part, it's more of the display pond that they would get into during the winter. So, yeah. All right. Um, well, does anyone else on the committee have any questions? Mr. Chair, I'm sorry again, but to M Mr. Shot, Miss Henson, and Miss Clark, if you have any questions you'd like to forward to Mr. Summers, please send them to me and I'll be glad to forward them to him. And we if we miss something or if you have a question, we'd be glad to send it on so Mr. Summers has as much

information as possible. So, thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Vunich. And with that, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Make a motion. All right. Motion by Councilman Bro, second by uh Councilman Rambo. Uh all those in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Any abstain? All right, we are ajourned. Thank you, Mr. Summers. Appreciate it. Good luck. Good luck. Thanks everyone.