City Council - Regular Meeting

bank was to sell that can they are they they can lean they have to pay that ten thousand yeah so when they call us up and they ask her do you have any um assessments on this home and that's why we've told them that hey there is a special assessment on this we cannot legally you know this has to be paid for before we're going to hook up water and they also have that provided because we've had an issue with it they will build documentation they have to provide that documentation which would be a dry lock if they can't provide that thing that the house comes with water.

So we're potentially going to get that one at some time.

Yes. I mean, the house looks nice, other than he's trashed the inside. It's an all-brick home. It looks wonderful. I'm hoping, again, it's helpful that it's just a $3,000 write-off instead of a $10,000. And the others, there's a reason. Same as always. Yeah. I did good, it's not three minutes.

So the 3,000 compared to last year, we don't have that 10,000. Were we around 3,000 last year?

Yeah, we've always been pretty close. Sometimes we're high. There's been some years that we have been here, I think the highest on the slide. So we're kind of on track. I think we're a little bit better than on track. If we could just get that one cleaned up. Okay. Now start my three minutes over again. So for the next one, I know you guys are going to swallow hard, but these are all since 2021. So 6-9 of 2021 was our starting until the very last one in 2014. This is the final write-off that we put. into our system saying, okay, they've been sent to collections is 357,592.63. Now, I would say 90% of these, well, maybe 75% of these have either gone to collections, they've had a judgment. We are, to make it sound better, we are getting paid for some of these, but it's through collections. And so collections, you know, they usually take a percentage. And the problem that we had on these is we didn't have the right verbiage. So we can't get the 18% on top of it. So they're going to take 18% right off the top because we did not have the right verbiage saying that this is what you are going to be charged if you fail to pay this bill. So we've now corrected that. Gold Cross has put that on their signature form, signature line. If anything, Gold Cross sends over, then, you know, we're good at that point. But right now, just to let you know, I shouldn't say names, but one individual right here, they paid $200. We just barely sent this over about three months ago, and they're already paying, you know, $200 a month to try and get it cleaned up. So we eventually get a paid in full on all of them, the ones that have started making payments. that doesn't make that number go down very fast and it doesn't make it sound any better saying it but that's still what five years and does that include that doesn't include the medicare write-outs right and that yeah well i should say i have written off some medicare write-outs that i could not you know they they either denied them or they're such sticklers on numbers like we either had a wrong birth date or something and then because i haven't been able to get in and rebuild anybody because that went away when shari went away i just had to i just had to say i didn't think about it so and medicare only pays what 40 60 or 40 percent of of the billable bill yeah you get 250 most of the time they get build about $250. I actually put together a little repetition if you wanted to do.

I think it is what it is. And really, economically, if you really put the numbers, that's what we build, probably not what it costs us. So that number is a lot of difference.

And like I said, since 2021, and now it's not our responsibility. I mean, you know, it's a gold process. They're going to send over what they're going to send over. You know, we'll just see the report. We won't have to waste any more time, which is budgeted in the city. It's a lot.

With Gatsby, how does that get handled?

What adjustments are made? What's the entry? Well, I believe last year, I should say 26, there was already entry in there for these write-offs. It was already anticipated. So it's going to happen. We knew it was going to happen kind of thing. So right now we're given the budget. Moving forward, it is a theme, and so we have to leave that negative that's on the budget. It's because it is about a 50% write-off.

Just from my thing, you pick up somebody that's from Kokomo, Idaho, and it's not even Idaho, but you don't want to pick them up. It's like, this is a story, but you still do it. That's what you do.

$6,000 bill, and his name was kind of a, I couldn't pronounce it.

And yeah, it was just. They do it all the time. There's a lot of know-hows. The Gold Cross has helped reduce the loss, correct?

Yeah, so I have some slides I put together real fast if you guys want to just view them. There's like three slides. Cynthia, if you want to go to the Jamie folder. Oh, sorry.

First, first slide.

Yeah, so this one, this first slide is just saying that from January 25 to December 25, we did 881 trips, which is about 2.4 trips a day. And this is showing you the different insurances that are billed, Medicaid, the blue, the Medicare, veterans, private or commercial, and then self-pay. And And you can see that Medicare is about 42% of the transports that we're doing, and then private commercials, you know, started behind that. Do you want to go to the next slide? So this one is saying this is our revenue per trip, and based on how we're able to bill. I set up the slides to follow the private commercial. So on average, we're billing around $2,500 per trip. But you can see like veterans can be a little higher and whatnot. So the red is the private commercial. So that's the 2,500. Can you go to the next slide? And then here you could see, so the first box onto the left says net revenue by payer. So this is where it's that $2,500 in the red for the private commercial. And what the next box is telling us is that they're paying only 81, 82% of that. We have to write off the rest. So of that 2,500, they're paying 2,000. We have to write off 463. Now you can see if you look at Medicaid, we're able to bill 1,400, but they're only paying 50%, less than 50%. And Medicare is even worse. They're paying 27%. So they're paying a couple hundred dollars, and we have to write off the rest.

Are we allowed to comment?

Not yet. We can get it later.

I've had experience with this lately with my dad.

So then let's go to the next slide. So this is of that, what was it, 82%? 86% in the red were collecting. So of the... full amount that we can collect that we don't have to write off. We're collecting 86% of that on the private. We're doing even better on Medicaid, Medicare, and veterans. So our average net is about $1,500 per trip, even though we're billing anywhere from $1,400 to $3,500, right? And then our collections is about 50%, which is what we're seeing.

How much of the revenue is going into our revenue projections for the upcoming budget?

So basically a copy from last year, just because I'm, yeah.

But you have a line for both.

For both, yeah. So there's a big negative that's in that revenue line item list.

uh no it was more like where's our uh where's our break it was more of what claire was talking about about about yeah about where our house is so this year what's our what's our grade yeah so this year we're looking probably positive maybe 300 000 but that's just i was as i'm sitting as of today at the end of may i should say um i want to look back into that more as i said

was on that is something you know I want to work with Jeff as well I am too I am new to the ambulance business so even learning this was great you know one question that I have on that just a comment is is screaming expensive to call an ambulance

And, you know, transport is protest. My question is, people, if you don't have it in your kitty, or is there something we can do to cut that cost back? I don't know, because I don't know anything about that.

I'm just struggling. They did have a reduction of costs. you qualified for it and you guys decided to do that but 99% of the people don't know that and I don't know that you want to you know because if you have insurance you but if you don't have insurance and there's somebody that needs it that is that is available some medical facilities will offer a cash price versus that do we do that I don't I it's a form it's a form that they've had and i think you and shari had looked at some in the past when he was on the council and you know it's something that they sometimes go out and it all depends depending on their income and what they can and they can't do so you know that's something that that needs to be passed on well i think that was just deletated through gold crops now i mean and as i said i think that was the only know people come in and say well but the problem was they come in they needed to make regular payments and sometimes we would get five payments and then it puts them off and then you wouldn't get any more so then it just went right back to them the state sets that our rates and we do that and they do that it's all so it's kind of and they said it's everybody pays the same you call an ambulance

anywhere and you're paying the same rates so okay thank you i'm not going to fall through the floor if i walk out right now all right so the 2026

um so hopefully you've all had a chance to overview and i'm just going to run through the staff report and stop me if you have questions sorry building we included some reimbursement costs for the railroad we thought we were that was going to come in before the end of the year but you will also see this on the next budget year because it's right at june with Lindsay got the phone call, and so we weren't quite sure if it was going to happen in June or in July. So you'll see the expense in both years. It's not that it's happening both years. We did have the insurance proceeds of about $113,000. Those are those from the roof that way. And the expenses to go with that. And then the use of fund balance. So this is going to be something I want to just stop here for just a second. I would either, I need to explain it here or I just need to come back.

So if you, I don't know if there's a question.

Okay, so the use of fund balance. This is to ensure that the fund balance does not exceed the 35%. So it's really a plug number. It kind of suggests that we're going to use fund balance, but really it's a plug number because in all those revenue line items that we have come in, have no idea what they're really going to be we can speculate all day long but it's just easier to have a plug number saying that we're going to get more more revenues because we have to make sure that the city at the end of the year yeah we don't have to look at it monthly or anything like that it's just right at the end of the year to make sure

So I would assume at a later date we'll discuss that $1 million and where that plug number, what that number is and where we'll allocate it, correct?

Yes, I have those available to you. I don't know if you want to talk about it right now. There's so much, there's so much to go over. Okay, so in the journal sprint and the expenditure side,

at the time of putting this together we were talking about doing some audio upgrades for the council room to fix just the things we needed fixed would be like 15 000 and we said just give us the dream if we could fix everything get new equipment be up and running great that was like 50 grand was their quote for that so in like the uh like in the governor's conference room for example um and dps has it as well

there's a there's a single camera that it's connected into all the all the microphones and it's got microphones throughout the tracks and if you start talking then the camera automatically picks you up and then if lindsay starts talking in it automatically and it's centrally located so you never have to worry about about missing it and the audio that it picks up to to participate in a in an online discussion with that equipment phenomenal like you feel like you're in the room and i think for the amount of our citizens that are that are at home or on the road that are that are like hearing what we're you know and still being involved i think giving them the best the best sound and visual quality

i mean it doesn't really make a difference to us because we're sitting i'll answer the question because somebody asked that to me i'm concerned about the price tax that's it i'm just trying to we can get them in here and make sure that they're they're concerned we probably need uh there's some kind of policy that requires an rfi right

Yeah, I mean, if it goes over a certain amount, then we should get some bids from other companies and just make sure that we're comparing apples to apples. I would assume, right? I don't know what that number is.

We have a contract with CoffeeNet for, we'd have to look, but, yeah, the company we're in right now. So, yeah, just kind of a placeholder for some sort of upgrade. So YouTube's working again, and...

Because we do have quite a following on Facebook and, excuse me, on YouTube that people really enjoy watching.

And they're really annoyed that we're using that web channel. Okay. But, you know, we do it because we have it. Yeah.

But we would get more mics with this thing. Okay.

Okay. So some salary expense line adjustments in the Treasurer's

fund of 10,500. These 276,000, these were for the radios.

I believe it was in lieu of... I think it was tasers. Oh, tasers, excuse me. I said radios. Yeah, for the tasers.

I believe it was in lieu of buying vehicles. And then some other grant dollars that went along with that. And then some travel expenses increases for that kind of flow that was also funded by... um and then really the increase the salaries and benefits is just to ensure budget compliance i was a little bit nervous this is a change since i sent it out um but the first time that's why it's in red so on the benefits really quick next year i would like to see us hey it's me talking now taking my five minutes i would like to see us look at the benefits

and see if we cannot make some changes there because our benefits are.

Yes.

We're already past that point this year. I know we're past that point this year, but next year, look at that because maybe there's something else we could be doing a little bit different that we're not doing. And just stay in status quo sometimes isn't cool.

And the thing that blows my mind on that is that goes up 10, 12% a year. Inflation goes up 2%. At some point, it's got to stop. So yeah, I have some theories on that, but we'll save that.

We had to add the taser. It feels like we went through this taser thing about three times. They paid for it out of their 1054, but the money was in the capital vehicle fund.

because they didn't buy a vehicle right so we're moving the money back from the capital vehicle fund into their 1054 account okay to pay for the tasers so it's not not that they're they already bought them months ago to move the money where it needs to be so they don't overspend in there okay in the general fund so yeah it's because we got august through everything into and so to make the taser 10

purchase and point of order that because of everything that happened you know i just know that as long as the guy was spending the months after that um it was giving up that that vehicle so we're just switching that money we're not just paying for it now okay it was just they paid for it right now now we're just making it right you can't be excited okay and then to move the money where it should have been or needs to be

We did a reorganization of the building inspection department. That was the increase of the 31,000 and to close out that contract and then to bring on new employees for that department. Emergency management, there was a reduction in there that has been restored. That was- transfer to capital projects so the 1.1 million so this is the other side of that fund balance where it's a plug number that we do have to transfer that money somewhere if we do come over the 35% and it is slated to go through capital project and then a transfer to the RDA fund for a $25,000 grant for the signage. It's called a way finding signage. Thank you. It was originally received in the general fund back in 24. Did we get that money?

It was received. We did.

We got it. And then I just barely closed out the grant and got the signs ordered. But it was received into the general fund. Okay.

That's what I didn't understand. Okay. And the food pantry, this is new. Just as of yesterday afternoon, they need some generator repairs. So that's a $7,000 increase. We don't think that she would need that, but this is again to ensure that she doesn't go over budget.

And which one's that?

Recreation?

And the food pantry in 721.

She does a really good job. Yeah. Yeah, but this is just to ensure compliance. Again, in the recreation fund, we increased some of the recreation revenues, and it was just to make sure that we don't go over in those salaries, and it's a benefit line, I think, and it was $2,900.

I have a question on that. I asked in one of the previous meetings about benefits for part-time salaries for part-time employees. If you look at page 89 through 91 and look at all the different sporting events that Tremont City puts on, You have a salary and then you have benefits.

Just text.

It's just, that's all it is? Okay, what was I saying?

If it's a benefit, I was going to... We call it all. What did you say? Well, it's just, you know, you're looking at... It would be a whole lot more than that. You did a good job, bud. So it's taxes and then...

yeah we're just keeping you on your toes okay so in the roads fund we're increasing 305 800 um matching the impact fee revenues of 100 000 they've increased so that's good and then um

Increase the fund balance of 205 to cover the street lights that were purchased and some other supplies and maintenance and some engineering costs there. The wayfinding signage was removed. I'm not quite sure why it was sent there. So I took that out. Just to help balance that fund. Capital projects, just showing that 1.1 million that's coming from the general fund. And then in the capital projects, the vehicle fund, there was that new ambulance that was purchased this March that we received it. And then reducing the police vehicles to go along with that, the taser, the equipment. And that's pretty much all that there is, unless there's other questions.

I have one last question on the 1.1 that we're transferring. You did mention that you

have some insights we don't have to go into that but I am interested so okay just whenever that comes excited about because now we're on the 20 26 20 26 27 budget right yeah okay okay this one's been fun to put together Thank You Lindsay for doing most of the heavy lifting I don't know I don't know so

So I like to think of the budget document as a lending document. It can be changed at any time. It's never correct. It's never right. And we just get better as we go along. So this is not set in stone. And I really anticipate some changes coming. I don't know when I can get all of that in in the next 15 minutes about what all that is. The general fund has an overall increase of $59,735. When Lindsay put together the tentative, she put in $100,000 in growth for property tax, and it turns out that the property tax was $118,735. So that was a great estimate there. These are due to new growth, not property tax increase. I just want to make sure that I say that out loud.

You don't get new revenue.

Yes, you don't get new revenue. There was an increase to the Foxeller School District of $30,000. It was originally $135,000 and it went up to $165,000.

They're paying half of actual wages now from the past. I think they just settled on a number. I'm not sure where the 132 came from, but they're actually paying for half of both of our officers' wages and benefits. So it's increased by 30 days. So I guess that could change potentially as officers come in and out.

And I think I failed to mention, these are the changes to the 10 of it. Okay, I just wanted to make sure that I got that clear. So, okay. So we increased court fines $10,000 and that's just based on prior year revenues. The railroad maintenance reimbursement, that's that 27,000 that we talked about where we weren't sure if it was 26 or 27. Our interest earnings, that rate just keeps dropping and I'm not one, you guys, fees um it's open for a discussion but i'm not one to rely so much on interest rates because they are a little volatile and then we don't want to make that a habit um there's not an interest so i did decrease that um i believe last year this time it was it was just over four and now we're like at 225 23 i think it was so for the pta so those were the changes uh to the general fund revenues and to the general fund expenditures. And departmental, we increased the computer software 15,465. This is due to Kip Bell, our accounting software and support. They did a $5,000 increase over the last year, and that's just to maintain where we are now. We are looking at possibly adding additional services from Kip Bell, and that is to take us to web-based yes yeah to help with hardware me is completely on them they handle the security all the updates all of that is included in that $7,000 a year so are we maxing out on our subscription with gazelle I mean are people or departments using it like it's supposed to be used or we just pay an image sitting there well we paid per license so the only ones were actually paying for is mostly just us here in the office they use

the desktop version of CASEL.

Everyone else just has access online.

We don't pay for a user. We probably pay for the online service, but not for a user. So yes, the ones here that we're paying for are definitely to be used. Okay, great.

Well, I knew the ladies from the office were.

I didn't know what CASEL was. We only have 11 of these licenses. If we do move forward with the online version, they did say that

We just purchased two new license books in May, and they gave us that for free. We moved forward with that. I believe next week to go through it to see if we want to do it.

Yeah, we've gone down before.

Our server's gone down. Power, whatever, has gone down. Everything Northrop did, even our wire stuff on the web page, they just run it through there.

firewalls but you know it's so that it's on somebody else i mean they they just buy them they work pay all that stuff goes through they don't do anything in their own with an online system like that too will you look at that as it lands out what kind of reporting we can get to the public and how easy that is to access that data great question okay and then also the um new ai subscription is that And we will move forward with that until we introduce and pass the AI policy which we have to have in place.

Increase to city administration of 5600. for the new finance director and the human resources for education and new computer in that department. There's that darn railroad again. That's the fourth time. Planning, we needed to add some membership dudes there so that they can be part of their great planning groups that they have through the state. The police department, This one went down $5,000, and this is just refining the budget since the tentative, and I have some more information on that on the police department we'll get to. Congregate meals, just again, refining the budget. Homes delivered meals down $5,400, and then the cemetery, increasing it from $2,000 to $10,000 for some retreat. The food pantry, just some changes there. again just removing the savings to fund balance this was because we were taking in donations and then depending on and making that uh adding to the fund balance but i didn't feel like that was appropriate for donation dollars and so i just checked that out and then just reduced the donation amount so if we get more donations great it just it just didn't feel right that we were saying hey we're going to say that we don't want to depend on donations The parks fund we increased for impact fee analysis study. There wasn't a budget in the tentative for the whole roads department. And so that's the million dollar increase that it was just adding that to the budget. Capital projects impact fee study there for the public safety. And then this year we were doing a library shed. there was $25,000 allocated for that. They're not gonna finish by June 30. And so it's 21,000 they're thinking they're anticipating what they have a lot on that 25. For the signing. Yeah, for finishing that up for this year. Capital projects, increase of that ambulance that we discussed a couple of weeks back with the chief and let's see here. capital projects for the roads the 2.3 million in road projects for the 1000 West and then the VR mountain road construction so those projects that are there and the water fund we adjusted for the water rate increase that was passed and then just adjustments through the various expense line items and then including some capital projects for secondary water lines for the federal receipts and the vital height i don't think it's okay yeah was that our previous mayor previous previous mayor previous previous mayor roger friedel The treatment plant, we are just reflecting those revenues to reflect a zero rate increase. That was in the tentative. And then just make sure those adjustments to those expenditures. The storm drain, we added a couple of projects there of the 1.9 million. And then the solid waste just increased. Trash cans. revenue line item to match the purchase trash can expense line item. So we're trying to make sure that that was a zero, you know, revenues coming in and expenditures going out. So if we're buying cans, somebody's paying for it. Straight across. And so adjust for credit card fee services. And those were the changes to

You know what I like is, we did a budget before, the temporary budget, tentative, and now this is what we're adding to it, or changing, and it makes it feel so much easier to look at this and understand it, in my opinion.

One question I have is, Vehicle budget is there a vehicle budget somewhere about this.

So we have a capital project. Yeah and 41 and 41 but yeah, that's where we and then that going to the ambulance this year We increase it the 400,000 so we didn't have other ones. It's it's actually the police vehicles that we're supposed to be purchasing from So there's other expenses that are in there. Okay, there was that one and It was only that one. And then the ambulance. Cynthia, can I get you to...

Which in the future, when we have a capital plan, those are going to be, right?

So, since we're on the topic of budget, I want to go to... I think it's presentation, but it's the police comparison. So stick with me on this one. So column C, so this is all going to be within the sort of 1054, which is the police budget. And the budget amendment of 2026 is column C and then column D is with a 3%, but not the transition we're gonna make with Garland. Okay, so this does not include those four additional employees that we're bringing on. So can you scroll down? So you can see kind of see a fiscal year where increase decreased from 26 to 27. Kind of keeps going down all the way to the bottom. Scroll up just a tiny bit. If we were to take out that 100,000, it's actually 2%. But the police fund is increasing from year to year, okay? But if we look at column I, where it says 26-27 final budget, so that's what we're saying that the final budget is, that becomes an 18% increase. That is with the Garland employees. And so overall, scroll over a little bit more, overall, it looks like the fund is increasing 23%. 18 of that is the transition we're making. So I just wanted to make sure that we point that out, that the fleet fund is only increasing. And dispatch, I don't know if that was a had to. I don't know the history of using that right now.

I don't know if that was a had to.

i um you know i don't i don't want to just pin that on oh you've increased your budget on the grants you know yeah so i think that yeah i hope that that's helpful for the sleep time to understand why that that one increased 20 so so i have just a question on that the four point six eight whatever garland's paying us is that on top of that for your budget yeah yeah so that's just everything right they're just contracting services so they pay us our tweaks like uh we had to increase the fuel um we had to increase the telephone expenses we increased peer support and training um we had to increase those budgets to for those those officers come

But without revenues to match those expenses?

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm not quite sure how the contract was written up and what numbers were included in there.

But wouldn't that be part of what they're paying you?

Yeah. We did the best we could to project costs, and we also built in a COLA based on GPI. So they're paying pretty good money, and it's going to scale with time. And then we're going to be taking that service. They showed a level of trust and commitment by allowing us to purchase all their property and assets. So we're good, I think, overall. I think it's a great deal for both cities. There's no question in my mind. But we do have those little minor adjustments and tweaks we're going to have to make over the next little bit.

So I know these these numbers look gigantic You know $34 million is not something to squawk about, right? That seems like a lot of money, but when you break it down to each individual fund, some funds are doing great, and others, it can keep you, what keeps you up at night? The general fund, they're the 3.4 million, and I need to say these fund balances are as of July 1st. These are not including what we're anticipating to end at the end of June this month. So these balances will be different in three weeks, whether they go up or down. I'm anticipating both. Some of them will go up, some of them will go down. A little side note here, where it says fund balance, column D at July 1st at 3.4 million, that's when we were at 33% right now. I'm anticipating an increase of just shy of 400,000, things stay as they are but again we don't know what self-tax numbers are going to be for for the next two months we won't know until september what they'll end all right september and then um uh just that 400 000 will take us up to the 38 so that's why we need to do those adjustments at the end of 26. i've been doing my part with all the purchases

capital projects and so here and i don't we have just a couple of uh projects there right we have the impact fee study um and then the shed and that's all that we really have slated for this fund i don't know that there's anything else other than

we have a whole bunch of other projects that are needed to be done and so this is what i said at the first meeting when i got to meet you all when i said i can't wait for for these discussions that you're having like tonight and next week and find out what the council goals are and see where you guys want to go but those numbers help tremendously so the the capital projects for rose so that one

self-explanatory but then we also have the one for kept for vehicles the 1.3 million so we get to sort through all of that and what does that what does that entail and so that's where other where the departments could come in and say you know we need this can we fill it in one question I have you have impact fees for parks on the big spreadsheet yeah there's no impact coming in and it's not the group right now that we have in the planning and zoning committee for sewer so we're going to So we are collecting those.

We are collecting those for the water, for the treatment plan. We are collecting those. However, they are in the negative. I know sun balancers because we've sent them and it's getting more collection. So that's why there is no balancer. Fair enough. But there is a balance in the parks impact fee of 802. There is that one? Yes or no? So that's three parks in one that we need to build, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I would like to know, these are some of the questions that I have, but what are we doing with the parks at 927? What are we doing with that and why is that there? Same thing with recreation. And I would like further discussion on this with the council. And I would like to talk about how we set aside 35%. That's the goal for general funds. I would like to set those goals for all of the funds. If it's 25% of operations, like in the water fund, how much are we setting aside to make those goals there?

that was, okay, here's 110 million of needs, right? And so what I'd love to see is correlated each one of these funds, those needs and wants, so we can open those discussions back up.

Great. Cynthia, there's a part, capital projects parts. I'm gonna pick on Zach since he's not here, right? So this is, I think, similar to what you're talking about. I sat down with Zach and went through that sheet, and we developed this. If you scroll down.

Am I allowed to, like, stand up here?

Oh. Oh, it feels so good to see it. So we sat down and talked about this. And so this is showing your cash balances, that 927 we just talked about. And he's looking at doing a project. the light and one of the card so I have is it the names on there that James is a genie scroll up oh no it's North Park so it's the out there light so he has one part that he cannot use like after a certain time because there's no light and then he has another part the lights at the jimmy stevens park he has that one where they need to be replaced as well and so in order to take one offline we need to make sure we have the functioning part otherwise we're going to have no functioning part so we've slated that one in this year's budget for him to fix the one at the park did he fix the one at northland oh that's right no that's for next year so then and then the impact these studies if you scroll down a little bit more keep going keep going and then oh keep going and then you can see what there's there's the impact fees where we're talking about so this can this is going to get even more complicated as we move into carl's funds which is the utility funds because this is where yes this is where we start talking about this is where we start talking about depreciation and how important depreciation is and yes because that's your telltale sign of how are we doing with the statement, and we need to get into those discussions. Again, we talked about fund balances, cash balances, how much to set aside. We also don't want to run into where we're spending all of the depreciation money because that's supposed to be for future and all those conversations.

Oh, hallelujah.

Okay.

Good job.

What else do we have? What other spreadsheets did I give you? Oh, let's go back to the presentation.

Is it sad that I almost had chills?

So let's go to yellow sheet. This is what I refer to as yellow sheets just because they're yellow titles. Again, I'm going to pick on Zach. This is just recreation. This is just examples. don't clue into these too much but what this is listing all of the accounts on the budget and it's just given us well why in fiscal year for 25 40 200 special department supplies are you spending 500 and it's going to list out well we have music like this isn't printing me and this is what they are and it'll be be a document that not only that council can use but um if we ever move forward with that budget committee or things internally when we're like oh where did we put those things where did what line item does that go to um it's just a map for us to use accounts payable when we use it it's just a communication tool across the city um and just to have available and some of them are going to be a little more complicated or a little bit longer than others i think there's I think that there's a lot more cleanup work that needs to happen. Like, I would like to condense travel and education, make that one line item. So those things, you know, make this budget document a little bit shorter. But concise, but complete. So those are some other things coming from the department.

Is that me? You made Bo's night.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. This is some good stuff. Well, it's just the context to actually make real decisions, right? It doesn't count. Any other questions?

Okay, certified tax rate.

Okay. No, this is good. The certified tax rate, I also have a... Okay, so our valuation from 25 to 26 for the whole city went up $46 million, about 4%. I think that's pretty good growth. Our property tax revenue last year before growth was the 3.1. Growth was $136,000. That's how we get to the 3.277, right? So this year our growth wasn't as high. We were only at $118,000 in growth for property tax actual revenues. So that's down about 16%. I don't know that.

I don't know what that would be. No, I don't think the growth was as strong.

Yeah?

Yeah. That sounds about right.

Okay.

It doesn't surprise me.

So our certified tax rate comes out to be that .002804, which is just a slight change. On a value of a home of 350,000 last year, property tax due was $538, and this year it's $1.35 more if the home stays at 350,000. So if the value of the home goes up, let's say that 4%, it's going to be an additional $20. So I just want to make sure that's understood. It's not going to be only $1.35 more than last year.

And tell them what the certified tax rate is. This is what the county is saying. This is what's coming.

Yeah, this is what's coming. So we said we're just going to accept what the assessor comes up with, matching their They usually hold it. I don't want to say hold it because if you hold it, you're increasing. But they include the revenue from last year and then include the growth and then that's how they calculate the service tax rate based on valuation. So there's a whole formula. It gets into personal property and some other things.

How often do they reassess properties? Every year? Every property every year?

I don't know if it's every property.

It's three or five years.

on my work first for county they actually went out and looked at homes like once every five years i think otherwise it was kind of standard across the board that was how we were county to that yeah i would imagine that they're looking at it and feeling like like do we need to read that i think that they do go through i mean because gosh there's there's probably 20 plus employees just coming up and yeah looking at it so a lot of that's worked i'm sure but

I know that, yeah.

Okay.

Anything else on that one? Nope. Fraud risk assessment. Oh, the fraud risk assessment.

You have a lot of luck to do. The fraud risk assessment is something from the state auditor's office that they make us review every year. This is for us to go through our separation of duty and go through all of our policies to make sure that they're in place and be updated or if we need new ones. Just to make sure that we are in compliance with our meeting minutes to make sure that we're reviewing those and all the trainings that are necessary by council and the employees signing ethical behavior yes ethical behavior uh form that we are reviewing that yearly with with the team those kinds of things last year our score was 355. i do believe that was the score the previous year and we haven't changed we're still at that 355 number uh we so we are at a very low rate of fraud early what are the last two having like an audit scroll up oh yeah so we don't yeah we don't have an internal audit function however I am the only thing I do but I have to look for those things and then we don't have a formal audit committee as of now is that something we would want to do I thought Curtis said we maybe have one years past and it would do a lot so I don't know We could look into it if the extra 20 points is good. If the council feels like they want to set aside some on the financial, that's good to have. As I stand right now, no. I don't know that there's a

There's a lot of eyes on the books already.

Okay, we have a couple changes on here. This is a change to the garbage cans. They were $150, and they went up to $193. So we're going to increase that and pass that along. I missed a few of these. I didn't realize we had them listed everywhere. So this is just adding that $5 fee to. So we have a square right here, and then we have a beginning right here. And then Michelle and Jamie, you and Matthew and the mayor, when we were looking at this, we were giving them the one year to step to secondary water, but Michelle said, they've already got it on the new build, why aren't we giving them a year? So this is to change that. If you buy a new home and it's already got the secondary lines at your occupations, occupancy, then you're going to be billed secondary rates as soon as it's there. So that was actually. And then what else? And then this is our cemetery. We have always had a weekend rate, but when the guys, when they leave, they really are still here for another hour or two because they have to wait until they put the body in and they put the dirt back. So you're talking quite a bit of time. So this is from our cemetery section. We suggested we charge an hourly rate on top of that, because we have had people come in one state till 6, 7 o'clock at night. It's like, if we're doing that, then we're going to charge for it. That's what this is. And then we just start with the cremations, because we charge the same rate whether it's a cremation or a full body. So it's just . And that was it for this.

next one that change on the note is already in our policy book yeah so that didn't change other than we added it to this document too so that people know that we're not very useful on christmas that time i guess that rug would tell them guys hey when you're done you got about an hour it's going to cost you another 250 bucks when they call me i tell them three 30s are cut off time if you're after that you have the after hours rate and we'll have this when they talk to her they're really good at that okay so they are aware of them absolutely so i guess you know We do not ever start at 6 o'clock.

And our code said that we would start at 6 o'clock for our work session and 7 o'clock for our policy. We're just not doing that. So we worked for Scotland and this has changed so that we are in compliance and not breaking our own code. It just says we will post it, and we will meet on the first and third Tuesdays of each month. This was his suggestion.

Start at 5 and end by midnight.

That's all that was. Thanks, folks.

We're only like 11. We're cruising. We had time.

we got through two of them now it's lindsay's turn disposal of all that 20 acres yeah this is our 20 acres over on 2000 west so the process is for our orvis and for state law we just the city council so okay sir drc looked at this first and they per our code decided whether they would classify this piece of property as insignificant or significant um they reviewed it and in order to be significant it had to have like historic value or have a water feature on it or there's very specific things so drc looked at it and said it doesn't meet this criteria so we're just going to call it insignificant real property so what this resolution is doing is the council would be accepting the drc's label classification as insignificant if you felt differently you could say it was significant but so that would agree to that classification, and then it would also allow for disposal of that property. So if we're going through this process first in order to be able to even dispose of the property, we have to formally have the council vote and say they're okay to dispose of the property. We do, per state law, have to post on the property a for sale sign so that everyone has the option or the is what i'm looking for we don't actually take it just post it yeah post it for sale um the phone number on this side will be mine i believe so they'll call me if they have if they want to put in an offer um and then yeah then those will be brought to you guys as a purity who do you want to july 7th okay

Carl, one thing that's hit my mind with some of the water things that have come up on this real property, and I guess I'm giving you some homework. But if we buy a property that has water rights and has shares, or if we trade, can we not then sell that to someone

We take on the water rights.

Or we can't sell water.

If we don't log the water rights, we have to have – they have to be specifically withheld within the committee.

We need to come up with some really good language so that we know when we start doing all this.

Well, I think the title company could do that for us probably. I hope so.

Did you talk to them about that?

That would be a great company. But, yeah, the title company, if we said we're buying both land but we are not buying the water rights, they could –

A lot of title companies now recommend just to everyone that language is included in those deeds that withhold water rights, just so things don't transfer that people didn't intend to. And then they can be transferred through a separate deed. Okay, thank you.

So you may not watch that. All right. compensation and classification plan okay this one is just our minimums and maximums of our pay ranges increased by cola and in the budget is anticipated a three percent cola increase cost of living adjustment so all of the minimums and maximums have been bumped up three percent i don't think i had any other changes on this tonight we got them the last week yeah it's just increasing circuits i know we're looking at this rocking and rolling thank you well and even though we got a lot of discussion if you have questions yes let's ask

I guess I do want to just raise a red flag, generally speaking, but we need to have a discussion around, and that is we're raising 3%, but you just saw the rate of increase for property tax. So as a business, revenue is staying flat, barely going up, costs are going higher. How are we anticipating to solve that? So that's just a reality. Either we have to figure out how to bring the cost down because they're gonna, at some point they inflate and they go above and we will have nothing for capital. We're kind of already there, right? So at some point we have to have the discussion around truth in taxation if we're going to adjust it or not with the COLA increases. Otherwise we're on a sinking ship. so we just it's uncomfortable but we have to have that conversation figure it out make sure that we've educated the public as to the why because i think it's a very misunderstood topic right and just what truth and taxation means we're raising taxes and that's for the uh the you know the goals and visions of the commercial development and all of those things you know i think that's where

where it comes in and are we positioning ourselves, and I know we're gonna talk about this shortly, are we positioning ourselves to be attractive to the... In my mind, the goal, especially for those that wanna see the community stay a rural community, is to bring in those businesses that attract people to come, spend their money, and turn around and go home. And so if we're focusing on that, I think that problem solves itself. But you're right. If our expectations on the development fall short, then that is the very conversation that we have to have.

I do, to your point, I do think we can solve it with economic development growth and bringing in new revenues that way. You're absolutely right. But since we just got done with the discussion on property tax and that rate, and then this going up, I just want to make sure we understand the correlation between those two.

If we don't have new revenues, that has to be addressed. The thing that was interesting, though, is our tax rate went up 1.3%. It was some number like that. The certified grade went up 1.3%. COLA's up 3%. It's not that much more to at least be bringing in what we're paying out in college. See, it's at 1.35. So we would want to get that at least to the CPI, right?

So that's the dollar amount. The difference between the properties is 0.25. Okay, so it is a little bit more.

and in a lot of cities from what i heard down in saint george the utility is that they're just by default doing treatment taxation and adjusting with inflation there's a lot of that i think i think we're kicking it down the road for the next guy if we don't i don't say we have to but But if we do economic development right, I mean, we could get to a place in a perfect world where you eliminate food tax because your products, you know, you're bringing in more than you're spending. That's in a perfect world, right?

That perfect world would be like that for a minute, and then all of a sudden, everybody looks around and will be right back.

It's pretty easy to spend when it's coming in. Okay, leaving that out of absence.

Okay, policy updates. So a lot of these policies have not been updated since we went full-time fire. So on this first page, I would point out the thought. You don't have to accept it. The state just recently passed that they were gonna start recognizing Good Friday as a state holiday. It is only a half day, so it's a close at noon. In the past, we have followed state and federal holidays. So I added it in there, That's up to you guys if you want to accept that or not. The biggest one I needed done before July 1st. So our police shift officers and our firefighters are required to work on holidays. The rest of us get the holiday off paid. They don't. So what we do is we give them a holiday leave balance. So it's like they can take the holiday off at a different date. Or if they don't use those hours, we do pay them out. So that's the policy we've had in place since before I started here anyway. But what we've done in the past is we've done that two times a year. So in January and August. It's kind of a pain logistically to do it those two times a year. We get questions all the time with people, well, if I have a vacation scheduled for August, can I use those hours yet? So to make life simpler, we're proposing that once a year we give them, so July 1, they'll get all of their hours for the year. that they can either use through the year, they can save it, and then the second pay period in June, because it needs to be paid out before July 1st, we would pay out any hours that they haven't used. So it's nothing different than we're doing, but we're doing it one time a year and then two times a year. Just to make it like the fire department's been asking for it for years because their system, he has to manually go in and add the hours. So he's wanted it this way for years and years and years.

What else?

Oh, firefighters, again, our policy used to be we do allow an employee to use up to five days of vacation and five days of sick leave ahead of, before accrual. If they don't have the leave time, they have a medical emergency, something comes up, they don't have the leave time, we have allowed that with department head approval. It wasn't spelled out for fire, which five days for them is quite a lot of time where they work 24 hour shifts. So Chief Jaro proposed, what if we just give them two days? That's what they wanted to the 4896. So two days early, give them a week off, basically.

10 days off.

Yeah, so he thought that was fair to just give them two days, not the full five days like everyone else. This is another proposal. I looked in other cities what they do. Again, firefighters are their own special kind of beast here. Where they work that 4896. We only allow other employees to carry over half of the vacation they accrue in a year. So if you're a new employee and you're only getting two weeks of vacation a year, you can carry over a week. Half of what they accrue is 50 hours, so they can really only carry forward two days to the next year. Again, I looked at other cities. This is a common thing for firefighters is allowing them to carry over 336 hours of vacation to the next year. Yeah, anything above that 336 hours we would take away out of January 1st if they have more hours than that.

Lindsay, would that be for police as well or just fire?

We didn't contemplate police where they only work 10 and 12 hour shifts, not 24 hour shifts.

Because I know that carryover and this is vacation. i know this is applicable also to law enforcement they typically carry around 300 over max i would think you want that city and we talked so we had department head meeting on thursday and we talked about there's probably other changes that need to be made in this policy

But I did need the holiday leave done for right now, as of July 1st, so that we can pay those guys out the holidays they worked so far this year and then give them their next accrual for July.

But on the $336,000, I know where I'm at, they give you so much. If you go over on a pay period, they accrue every pay period. If you don't use it, it's long gone. You can come talk to somebody. It doesn't matter.

They take away each pay period? Not like January 1st?

well like mine was i could have 400 hours okay and and you try to look at when they paid and he's like i gotta take five hours before friday well it was last friday and i just lost five hours and it doesn't matter so you have to be hard fast on that if they accrue 336 and they go over on their time they're only going to have 336. i lost 30 hours but i would think you would want that to be the whole city the only thing is you've got this you've got you're saving all that it's a problem liability well for revenues because you're you're saving that money somewhere to pay them yeah we have to carry that as a liability if everyone quit tomorrow we have to pay them out So, I mean, I would think that would be, you could do it, but I would think it would be for everybody. I mean, a lot of people aren't going to save that much, but.

Well, to your point, in our department head meeting, it was unanimous. Everybody wanted to see this happen. We just, I know she's trying to get the holiday thing in.

This will come back to you with some other. It's great for recruitment, too, for what it's worth. but yeah like you said with the whole city life that's the idea yeah um i would sorry just one point out one thing too we do allow them to carry over 720 hours of sick leave so that's always been kind of my thought and yeah more vacation would be great too it's not that we're not it's not that that's the only thing they're carrying over is their 40 hours of sick or vacation there is sick leave also they could carry over if they save their sick leave too yeah I think that's a lot of people do just PTO or whatever so combined we do still have the separate vacation so this one all the only change in this one again had to be done before July 1st so it's contemplated in our budget again um URS keeps increasing uh contributions to the retirement system which is normal but for tier two public safety so officers and firefighters They have since changed theirs to a contributory system, so the employee B is on the hook to pay into their pension plan. This was due to changes when they first started the Tier 2 system. They have to work five years longer than other officers, so they have to work 25 years. And in the beginning, they would only get 33% of their pay in retirement. Oh, is it 37? And then other officers, the Tier 1s, get 50%. So as a surprise, surprise, Not a lot of people wanted to be officers if they were a tier two. They had to work five years longer and get less money in retirement. So legislation came out a few years ago that bumped them back up to the 50%. So they still have to work 25 years, but they will get their 50% in retirement. But in order to do that, they made the employees be on the hook for part of that. So in the beginning, the city did not elect to pick up the employee portion. So employees are currently paying 2.59% into their pension. So 2.59% of their wage, they pay into the pension program. We opted last year or two years ago to pick up the increase that was proposed that year, which was 2.14%. URS has since increased that again this year. So the total amount is 5.98%. that employees are on the hook we have it in the budget contemplated that we would pick up that next increase for this year so we would be paying 3.39 percent into the retirement um holding the employee harmless kind of they'll still just be paying that 2.59 they've been paying for like five years now i think so the employees will still be paying part of that yes yeah they'll still pay the 2.59 what if they elect not to do the hybrid If they do the DC, the 401k plan, we put that 3.39 on top of the 12% into their 401k. So they're not, again, they're not getting left out for paying more for the tier ones on the hybrid. We have to pay the same amount for whether they're on the hybrid or on the 401k.

No, no, no, not the tier one, but if they elect, because in the tier two, you can go with the 25% or the 401k.

So previously, we only had to put in 12% to their 401k, but now we're having to put in 15.39% into their 401k. to cover it so they both get the increase, rather than only the hybrids getting it. So that's literally the only two changes in this policy. This one will come back to you again someday, I'm not gonna say soon, someday when we've reviewed it, but for now I needed this for July 1. So.

Okay. Carl.

No, no, no, not your turn. Yes, it is your turn. Present findings on trip hazards inspections and reports and infrastructure.

Can I connect to my laptop?

okay I will start talking about this first well so our insurance is requiring us to come up with an official policy to handle complaints related to trip and fall slip and it's not really something incredibly new. They particularly like to identify sidewalks, sidewalks addressed, and manholes, that kind of thing. And so this is the policy. I think we unplugged it and put it in the window.

I think we did it in your Windows key.

Let me talk about this for a minute so so the policy says complaints can be received through various means and

It's me now. Phone calls, emails, in person, that kind of thing. When that happens, we are to officially receive the complaint. We document the information, the date, time, nature of the concern. And then we have to have a system in place to receive that information. We use iWork, which is our work order system, and it does many amazing, cool things. There's too many pages on this thing. I told myself I had to use this button, and I forgot. Okay. Okay. So we put it into iWork. classify the complaint as low, medium, or high importance. Low is stuff that is routine. When it gets done, it gets done. Cool. High, it needs to be done immediately. That's stuff like emergency type stuff. Medium is urgent, but not to that high level. For example, a hydrant was hit yesterday. I put that into I-Works, not that it's a hazard under this policy, but just as an example, I put that as a medium classification. And so it's nice because we have office people that get calls. We get calls, but everybody's on I-Works. Everyone has access to it. And so you can go put that kind of thing in there. The insurance company wants to see not only that we have the ability to track this, but that we are keeping good records over time so that we can show that we were aware of that issue and that we did something about it. Or if we want to get in trouble, which we don't, we chose not to do something about it. Anyway, so those records is what helps with this procedure. And this policy is good. Everybody's on board with it. It also requires that we have to keep records, which is just under the Utah general record schedule. We have to keep things for three years. Here's the thing about I-Work, and I put this as a note on here. I-Work does not ever get rid of records. Once they're there, they're there. So we don't have to worry about retaining unless we go away from them. If we ever were to go away from them, we would need to back things up for the last three years, which we could do. Wouldn't be fun, but it wouldn't be that hard either. So with my last four minutes Let's play Okay, I Did a search for I just I just went to advanced search and typed in We're tight And I pulled up sidewalks let me say this as well sidewalks was not something that we were documenting until this year so documenting this has started it's starting now so i did this search i hit search it pulled this record up there's 11 records in here that um Here's an example. So this one was called in. Haley received the complaint about there's a five to six inch lip in the sidewalk on 600 North between 2534 West and 2556 West. We might've adjusted the, I'm sure she wasn't that specific. Maybe she was, but we verified that. So we've got the information in here. Her daughter tripped on it twice. this time she fell and cut her face and lips and so we responded to that we we closed it out there's still a couple of open ones yeah here's here's one several trip hazards so replace 300 feet of sidewalk throughout this block just it's easier to replace big sections if there's major parts i'm guessing that was on main street yes we didn't we didn't put an address in that one but what we might have done is gone to our map gone to our map and and I can add a point to the map so I just click on this I can click on here and it'll let me put a point on there. But I can look on this map and I can see sidewalks, there's 10 of them open. I'm not good at this without a mouse. It's too sensitive for my stubby fingers. So for example, here's a sidewalk one. We replaced sidewalk at 375 South, 600 West. Done by Rusty, it was done about two weeks ago. So we're keeping these, it was open for, It was open for five days. So, no, sorry. It was just open that day. We got on it that same day. But this is exactly what the insurance company wants to see. It's so easy to have everything tied to GIS. And we retain all that. Any questions?

so we want you to uh let us about this policy you have to have this adopted by june 30th to use this to report for the audience for the insurance for the insurance it's a program they're rolling out that we need to do this as part of a we get our full liability premiums refunded if we follow and do all these different

It's just kind of interesting how much stuff we've done along Main Street right here. It's a high visibility area and it's an old apartment town. So it probably... Jamie, do you have a comment?

Well, I'm just wondering how the insurance, they want to see that we're just mitigating, that we're not going through and replacing all of the issues, right? Because that can be a budget issue.

long as we're making notice is that what the procedure is sorry some of the procedures and make sure that we are on the list to replace yeah yeah yeah and they they specifically said we're not trying to create that financial burden for these cities we're just trying to create protection through record

How do we prioritize it?

We just said that we were going to start with Main Street and then the schools and then work outward because those are the most high traffic areas.

most likely to have an event that we don't want to have thank you okay um we're gonna keep this brief so jeremy's gonna

the entire chapter the simple reasons why staff is bringing this as a suggested amendment forward is to not have to deal with what staff perceives as the inherent issues of the PUD bringing legislative steps before the DRC to set bonus density

The inability for really anyone to be able to follow the PUD code, like I mentioned before, from A to Z, and then output and actual overlays, it's inherently confused in how it's laid out. The attorney review this and finds that the language in itself is contradictory. We, as staff, thought instead of trying to fix the tool, the PUD overlay tool, as it currently is constituted in the Tremont State Code, we looked to repeal the entire chapter and bring forth a more effective overlay type tool in the future.

And so then this item was heard at the regular meeting on June 9th, Planning Commission. Comments made from the public were actually unanimously in support of repealing the PD overlay code. There were comments and concerns from the Planning Commission expressing concern regarding the removal of the pv overlay tool and some comments included concerns over relying solely on base zoning districts rather than using secondary overlay tools to achieve planning objectives there were concerns about getting that could encourage development near the core of the city

Other members expressed support for the repeal of the overlay code citing challenges associated with larger developments in the community and noting the common public sentiment against the PDE tool as there being perceived misuse or ineffective implementation of the overlay as a development tool. At the meeting staff clarified that the PDE overlay regulations are currently difficult to administer and interpret as was previously stated and so the vote for that meeting was a three to two vote to recommend approval to this body, with members Kaye Perrin and Miller voting no to the motion to approve the item, with Chair Van Tassel voting to break the tie at its capacity as chair, with members Kaye Perrin and Ellsworth being present initially at the meeting.

Should I go on to lot splits or just? Can I just ask a couple follow-up questions there? What were the concerns that were expressed from Capner and Miller?

They're afraid of just having base zoning only. And then a tool, the beauty overlay tool that does have some history behind it, being present in our code and with some recent amendments to get it sort of a white system. They didn't want to see that go on essentially.

I think the main concern was not having something to replace it right now. That was mainly the main concern.

I think I shared that.

is there still a way for a developer to say we take that out but a developer to actually show that what what is going to do for the PUD you know we're working on that we have what we want to introduce what's called it's called the plan community zone as a zoning type that just separates the legislative and the administrative processes a little bit more so that what you see is what's going to be developed and it's a more clear way to to bring forth pretty much the same type of thing but it just needs to be defined a little bit better so that is not implemented yet but that is in the works we've been drafting it we're working on drafting it if we do if we do go ahead and um our our our thinking our logic is this is something that the deficiency in code it was a step in the right direction in the fact that the overlay process used to come and we would just accept individual overlays. And that was not a good planning principle to have that process. And so it was a step in the right direction in the fact that it standardized how a developer could get additional performance density and different things like that and made it uniform so everyone has the same thing. And so we're just wanting to get another step forward so it's easier to implement. We have a process, we have an application that people can come in and use it now, but there still is some discrepancies in it that are just a little bit confusing to administer with the way that it's written. So, did that answer your question?

So when they come in... I'm not a big fan of PUDs, but I think they're required. I think that somewhere they have that opportunity to do it, but not as a...

Yeah.

I think we're at least from where I'm in, I'm in full support of repealing it and doing something better because here's what I don't like. I don't like that. Has anybody ever told your spouse, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to start to get this and then come on to something. I don't like that an idea for a development comes before this body and we say, okay, that, yeah, we like that. And then all of a sudden something completely different goes in just because there's this this end around and i don't like that end round i think that if you're if you got a plan to do a development in the city bring what you intend to build and can we do a quick question on that point do we currently have to approve a dvd though no no legislative okay but

I was under the understanding that a PUD did have to come before the legislative body, so maybe I'm wrong.

No, the PUD has to come before the legislative body, but as staff, it is our job to position the applicants well enough so that when you see it, and our code should be well enough written that when a developer comes and they follow the code and they're applying the tools we want, then they should be positioned in a position where they have favorable treatment, that's what it's called.

And so we're trying to clean up the code so that when we bring something to you, it falls under, like there's been a lot of bedding before it gets to your table.

That's an entitlement.

And that can only be changed by the legislative process. And so that ordinance is suggesting.

So I have a question for you two were on part of putting it in place. There were reasons we put it in, right? Would be that we were really trying to get some of the capital improvements the city's looking for paid for by developers. That's the intention of a PUD. So I would be just more concerned about what were the things that were enticing about that PUD when we put it in place that we're going to be letting go of if we repeal the section, right?

Yeah, that's interesting because the PUD, when you read through the code, there is no mention of capital improvements. There's no mention of anything that they can do.

as far as infrastructure that's handled through the development agreement. And those are kind of separate processes. One's administrative and one's legislative. So the only thing the PUD code does is it sets building standards and architectural standards. And so what we're presenting is a way that you can have those in a new zoning type so that you can more combine them together. So then if you're wanting these capital improvements and they get the PUD, well, it can be put together versus right now the way the PUD, they're not tied together. Does that make sense?

One more clarifying question. Has the PUD ordinance been utilized at all?

Do you want to ask that? So first of all, I had to create a form for it that didn't exist until I got here. And then... So there was an application form. And so we've created a whole process for it. We have three preliminary plots that came forward wanting to get the bonus density going to the PUD. Using the PUD.

Using the PUD overlay.

had those applications been submitted administrative preliminary plots we would be vesting a subdivision layout with a block configuration that had bonus density that came out of nowhere not from the city council and so we have we're going to have a bunch of push bags well we've already we've already got the developers in the process and we thought we will be having a pv come through here and just right now

yeah even we're doing it now we're still working through them and and we've had we've had some good communications with the developers yeah yeah is there anything that sticks out from prior meetings when this was put in place that makes you hesitant no i'm not i i i don't like the way to flip the blank check thing i just don't want to push back or any litigations from some visionary some

has been and has been vetted by the attorney this whole process he he looked at this and honestly we were at risk with the pud and that's a lot of the drive widely we missed this route right but but i'm with you like the one on the hill that we're going to do the water tank and all that we gave him that and and it was a it was a zoning thing more of a pud but

We had to make them sacrifices because of that.

Yeah.

The zoning discussion with the subject doesn't have anything to do with .

So without the PUD in place, what we would be doing is reverting back to where we were, which is individual overlay.

Which is not .

What I'm saying is, though, until we get something back in place, we as a city do want to ask for a park to be developed. Like over here. No, that would be in an overlay. That's what I'm saying. A PUD is a standardized overlay. That's really what it is. So if we get rid of the PUD, we're reverting back to overlays that are individual per development. where we're going to ask for things again. How long is it going to take to replace? It's our top priority.

So maybe by the next month.

That's ideal.

The question, I have one more question. Are there things in the current PUD that you guys like? There's been a lot of work that's gone into that. Over three years or whatever.

I think some of the standardization is nice, right? Of building standardization and face fronts and all that. I think a lot of that was really nice.

Architectural standards are nice. I like that you can put architectural standards in, because the city can't regulate architectural standards without a .

So are we giving that up or are we gonna be giving flexibility to people to put things into our city that we don't like or that we don't want, that we would otherwise have the ability to enforce because of the PUD?

Personally, that's what I worry that we're getting now, is that we're getting stuff that wasn't

intended but it wasn't described is that what you're referring to because the pud standardizes some of the architectural requirements that the road offsets the different things i think that's that's the part that i'm a little bit you don't have architecture standards and so there's not been i think one adoption one successful

A through Z implementation of a PUD overlay.

A lot of them are lackluster. They have a few standards to call it, but nothing like what the PUD overlay is asking for.

We'll need to move this to the next meeting if you want to have it moved to the next meeting.

The only thing I just want to add is I'm not yet up without that because I have a few more questions. I'm not resisting it in any way. I'm just asking enough questions to make sure that we're doing it proper. And we're totally open to whatever they count for. I'll give you three minutes on this next one, or we can move it to the next one.

These ones will be fast. Lot splits.

Lot splits. Chapter 2.07 of the current city code says that you can take a parcel, use the subdivision system, and create smaller parcels. The subdivision system is where you create lots in a subdivision and it's recorded in the Office of the County Recorder. This is saying you can just take a larger parcel and divide it. That's not how the state ever intended the subdivision ordinance to be. This code says if there's any discrepancy in rolling out a lot split request, defer the subdivision ordinance anyway. And so this seems like an antiquated tool Again, staff suggests that it repeal this chapter. We're going to have to have two codes to do the same thing, and we're requesting to go to the one that the state requires us to use.

Okay.

Okay, and then we've got this rezone of parcel.

City property mayor, it's in the manufacturing area of the city.

The request is to reside from MDB, which is the Manufactured Distribution slash Business Park Zone, to the Highway Commercial Zone, which would allow for retail use in the area. The Highway Commercial Zone exists in close adjacency across the street and just south of the property zone.

And this is the one on the property we brought up earlier?

Thank you. Let's take a break and we'll start in two minutes.

Like like you like invaluations. Yeah, we'll have them ideally We are talking with them

i'm sure very regularly and and they think these contractors have dialogue with actually i mean it's in the way but they

you know you're the best yeah I'm and I'm but I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I mean, that's where we can have a concert in there and all that. I know they can't. They're not going to do anything.

The 20th. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

I just know that .

Okay, we're gonna get started with our meeting. We'd like to welcome everyone out to our city council meeting.

I think we're still waiting for one person. There he is, okay. We'll go ahead and do a roll call.

I'm gonna call roll for the July or June 16th meeting. Councilmember Lewis?

Here.

Councilmember Jax? Here. Councilmember Volcker? Here. Councilmember Westergaard? Here. We have a quorum, except Sherry is missing today.

Okay, thank you. We'll go ahead and start out. I've asked Casey Merrill to offer the invocation, and then we will have Blair do the pledge. We do offer a prayer here. If anyone is offended or doesn't want to participate in that, they are welcome to step out for a few minutes, but we'll go ahead and go to that.

our dear precious son my father we are grateful for the opportunity to gather and discuss community matters and to really gather as a community and to share ideas and thoughts and concerns and to be able to make our community better and we pray for thy spirit to be with us that we may be able to discuss these matters um with kindness and respect for each other even with difficult topics and discussions and we are grateful for our Savior Jesus Christ, and we say these things in his name, Jesus Christ, amen. Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, I would entertain a motion for the approval of tonight's agenda. I would suggest that we move the workshop discussion letter O to further discussion in our session under number nine. As I'm finished this. motion okay we have a we have a motion by Brett Jacks I'll second second by Bo Lewis all those in favor say yes yes any opposed say no okay motion passes we have do we have any declaration of conflict of interest in this in this meeting Okay, having done, we'll go ahead and move on to some presentations. We have a presentation from Riley. I thought I recognized you, thank you. Riley Yates and Oscar, they communicated with me on some affordable housing. And they did a project at school and invited me to come over and watch it. It was a wonderful project and wonderful presentation, so I asked them to come do it for us. I thought you guys would really enjoy seeing what they put together. So we'll go ahead and turn some time over to Riley and Oscar. Come on up. Come on up and have a seat right by those microphones there. Introduce yourselves and tell them a little bit about your project and then go ahead.

Start off, my name is Oscar. As you can see, started this off as a college class, but we kind of just look forward more into this after we graduate and see how it goes.

My name is and it just started out as a project and we'd like to see it move forward. So the affordability disconnect is the crisis is that the purchase To be able to purchase a median-priced home in the US, a household needs an average income of $108,000, but the actual median household earns just about $75,000. In Tremont, the average price to purchase a home in Tremont Market has climbed to $425,500. The average salary within the Tremont community remains stuck at $46,000, and the local impact is that the young adults struggle to afford homes near their workplaces, forcing them into long commutes or unstable housing conditions.

So we kind of looked into part one and part two when it came to what kind of caused this. As you can see, kind of just Utah in general, we had a lot of population surge when it comes to people moving here. And so Tremont is also experiencing this. And because of this, we're not really having enough housing I guess, availability to the people, which is what's also contributed to the increase of these homes when it comes to prices.

Another cause for this is that local city inspections for new homes have increased from 4 to 12, with the added administrative fees passed directly to buyers. The reality of the mortgage is the current interest rates create a sustainable local mortgage range of $2,200 to $28,000. And then the cost of living, the average monthly cost for basic necessities like utilities, groceries, transportation, insurance, and health care, it comes to a total of $3,295. After paying the mortgage and basic survival costs, an average young professional is going to be left facing a $9,000 annual deficit. and the infrastructure hurdles if water sewer capacities are maxed out, developers absorb the cost, which directly inflates the final home prices.

so kind of why does this matter um like when we see more younger demographics when it comes to like them having their 32 to 51 000 it's really hard to just kind of have startup and maybe down payments for homes and this workforce exclusion right like they kind of said you have to commute to other places if you want to maybe find a job that you can maybe get more money in uh if younger residents cannot stay then of course then maybe they will go to another city if not then it might be posing a risk of just losing employers. And high housing costs kind of forces the community to divert money away from other . So when you have all these mortgages and these offsets that we don't really have enough money to just go other things like healthcare and just the emergency funds and other things. the danger of the restriction. So restrictive zoning laws lead to hidden crowding where multiple families are forced to secretly cram into a single-family home out of pure necessity.

One of the solutions that we came up with was regulated ADU units. Basement apartments and backyard cottages expand housing choices without altering neighborhood aesthetics or characteristics. The permitting implementing a pre-approved architectural plan gallery to vet designs in advance holding the 12 inspection bottleneck and lowering soft costs. The financial relief gives homeowners the ability to offset a $2,500 mortgage with roughly $1,200 in rental income opening home ownership to the $46,000 income bracket. A possibility fix mandates a primary residency requirement where the owner must legally live on-site to ensure property maintenance. Overcrowding every issued ADU must provide one off-street parking space to completely eliminate street-side crowding. And we investigated more into this on how it would affect. And we've investigated into other locations in Utah where Ogden has been implementing this into theirs where they've been building more ADUs and it's been lowering the prices a little bit more and helping younger adults.

so alongside with this we also looked at other cities and other kind of things that they were making for solutions within this housing for ability crisis and we saw density bonuses primarily in salt lake one of them so um kind of the missing middle ground when we see this is that um we need developers to kind of shift from that luxurious single family home to kind of have more attainable options maybe like town homes or duplexes so the city would grant maybe about a 20 increase in allowable units per acres to the developers and the attendability cap. So the density bonus is strictly conditional. Units must be price capped specifically for this $46,000 to $51,000 income bracket, and includes the loophole. So a deed restriction permanently records the price cap on the property title for decades so that we can block out-of-state developers or people who would like to flip these homes. So we have this Forbes still on there decades later to see that we have these homes that were within that D restriction so they can still kind of be affordable in the future. and we have that impact the adjustment. So townhomes do require about 60% less road and pipeline frontage. So it generates a lot more property tax revenue per acre. So we can pay for the infrastructure upgrades and prioritize. So to reduce like city administrative fees and just entry-level projects and to just pass those direct savings onto the first time home buyers.

Preserving Tremont's future identity. The critical juncture, Tremont must transition from data audits and discussions into active zoning reforms that prioritize housing attainability. Rebalancing development, developers must live beyond single-family luxury units and commit to starter home price points. Preserving character affordability is not a threat to Tremont's small-town director. It is the only tool that can preserve it for the next generation. The stakeholder mission Residents must actively participate in local hearings to support diverse entry-level housing options before our workforce is entirely priced out.

Thank you. If you have any questions, the floor is open.

Wow, great job. Thank you.

That was a great presentation, wasn't it? That's some good information. What's really nice about it is hearing from your generation about all of this and what your perspective was on it. So thank you.

Thank you.

Well done. Okay, now we have Tina Peart here that's gonna do a presentation on Civil Air Patrol. You can sit there or you can stand up to the microphone, whichever you wish.

hello my name is Tim here I'm actually a second lieutenant with the Bear River cadet squadron I am here I would like to let the community know that we are here we meet every Thursday and in Brigham City we are at the National Guard armory there and we work with youth who are 12 to 18 years old our program helps build character we do character development we have emergency services. We also do program where we do service in the community for opportunities. They have STEM program where we build rockets. We have the aerospace also. And our cadets have the ability to rank up. They can actually get into being a major. We help them build their character and we help give them a positive thing to do it's something fun for them um we do our we do character development like i said we have rocketry we have um women we also have leadership teaching them leadership skills teaching them moral values and also the values of integrity and to be honest and do the right thing. We have a lot of programs. Our cadets just actually came back last week. Actually, Sunday, they just came back from encampment. They got the opportunity to go to Wyoming. They spend a week there on a military base. They basically do everything that they do all year long, the PT, which is the physical fitness program. They do their leadership. They do their drill. It's all packed in a week. And they get the opportunity to meet other cadets. They also get the opportunity to learn how to lead, to be a better leader for tomorrow. And they have the opportunity if they stay with the program. And when they graduate and they become 18, they decide that they want to go in military, any branch, they would go in as a three, a grading three, or grade three is what it would be. But the main focus is the kids. We're there for them to have something positive for them to do. And we have, we're teaching, right now we're working on a team building program where they work in groups. They've got a mentor above them they come up with what they're doing that week um this week is pt so we've got two cadets that are working on that and their goal is to have a little bit of fun in it so they'll do their exercise and then they're going to have them march or do drill we're actually pulling a joke on the captain um the kids learned the new cadence song at encampment And they're going to serenade him tomorrow night. He just doesn't know who did that. Don't tell him. They get the opportunity to go fly in the Cessna. They're called opportunity flights or orientation flights. They have the opportunity to do flight training. We've got cadets that find their, it could be in fiber. of security it could be in you know being a leader of some type but also doing survival training we do a lot of emergency service training especially in the summer we get to go out and we usually have a location where we'll go and we'll play with we don't play but we get to use radios and communicate and learn how to do the actual physical talking on radios on a certain channel where they're communicating with one another. But it is an awesome program, very positive program for kids. And I would like to let everyone in our community know about this. I know it is a little bit of a stretch to go to Brigham, but it only takes 20 minutes, and it's really worth it. You know, you can drop a kid off for two hours. We've got them. We just ask you to please be back at 8.30. We'll give them a dog. No. We'll have to find one first. But I do have some business cards, and I also have a couple of pamphlets here that I would like to leave so that you all can take a look at this. You can actually go on our program also. It is gocivilairpatrol.com, and it gives you a little bit more information in regards to the program. We do ask that they come three times before they decide they want to join. And then once they've done that, it's like $35 a year. You'll come back in a year you would be. And we have the opportunity, we've had several cadets with the encampment that were able to get funding. They also have other programs. It's not just encampment. there's another program coming up where they get the opportunity to go to canada um and meet with those those folks in canada and work with the squadron several squadrons there and they get the opportunity to travel to other states to do activities with other squadrons we do work together here in the valley with other squadrons. We have one in Logan, we have us in Brigham, and then there's one in Ogden. And there's some further away, but we want you to come to Brigham. But yeah, we're right there at the armory, and I'll just leave these here for you all. And if you have any questions, we do have an email here that you could reach out to us, and our information is on the website. But we would love to just get that out there, because I know that I go to Ridley's and I go to Kent's just like everybody else does in the community, and you see all the kids. They're just lollygagging around, doing things, and it's not that they're bad kids, but I know it's one night a week, and we do, in the summer, we have more activities on Saturdays, at least one or two a month, and that would give them something positive to do, you know, so that's what, I really like it, even though I wasn't planning on being this person. We wear a lot of hats. But even people who are former military adults, or any adult, if you would like to come and join us and be a volunteer, we would more than welcome you. So adults are more than welcome to come. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to listen to me. Thank you. Have a great night.

your chance actually Jason from utopia kind of a stranger to it to this land aren't you yeah I definitely know three Martin definitely grew up here apologize to somebody who made money my junior actually I gave this presentation last few years but our executive director is coming up and he unexpectedly caught a traffic he said hope you can reply to 10 minutes five to ten minutes, so you can finish them later in the program.

We'll go ahead and go to our citizen engagement portion where the public can come and spend three minutes discussing any comments that they might have. We do have a lot of things on the budget. that we will be opening up later that can be discussed individually. And so we would ask you not to come up and comment on the things that we're talking about in the strategic business. But anything else, you're welcome to come take three minutes on the microphone. Please speak with dignity. Let's treat each other like we deserve to be, and we have a great community, and I've been impressed so far with how well we all treat each other. I turn the time over to you. Will you go on an order? Did we have anybody online ahead of me?

No, you are first. Thank you for getting online and doing that. No, I didn't get online. I signed up at the door. And I appreciate that being on the door, by the way. You all know me. I'm Bill. I've never yelled at you guys, never cussed at you guys. I don't intend to start now. I want to talk about law enforcement for a minute. or for a few minutes or whatever. I hear the word is that you're looking to maybe cut the police department by one position, eliminating an officer's position. I really hope that you guys won't do that. I don't think we have enough officers to begin with. It's my understanding that shifts start at 6 a.m. and end at 6 p.m., start at 6 p.m. and end at 6 a.m., So that tells me you don't have enough bodies. 12 hour shifts is a long time for officers. They have a hard job to do and they need to be at the top of their game when they're doing it. And they've got to make critical decisions in a very short amount of time. We don't have enough command power in the police department. You look at the roads, and I know we got a lot of drugs and a lot of domestics and a lot of things to take care of. There's a lot of bad things that happen out there. Let's take a look at the roads. Okay, and I'm talking about this on the phone, right? You get on a freeway and there's a lot of road rage. Why is that? Because there's not enough officers out there policing people and their behavior and their driving. That brings over into our city. Don't think for a minute, don't. get out there on the road everybody gets in a hurry it's like a big race out there people get frustrated there's no officers out there policing people so people take the law into their own hands that's a problem we don't have enough law enforcement on the highways and we don't have enough law enforcement here and i can tell you firsthand it bleeds into this city the streets are under construction It's a pain in the butt to deal with. When I go down with them, I care about my truck and my suspension. Nobody's paying for my shocks, my suspension, my front end alignment but me. So I slow down. But the people behind me, they got to ride my ass. And if they can, they'll pass me on the right or left or whatever. They'll throw gravel. They'll throw rocks. They act like they want to drive right over the top of me. and it's not cool. So nobody likes to get a ticket, but those tickets are behavior adjustments is what they are. When people are losing money out of their pocket, it's an attitude and a behavior adjustment, and we need more of it. And now I'm going to say, I'm going to put my two cents in on housing. I oppose high-density housing. I think it's It's crap. To cram people, a lot of people in a tight space is not cool. Am I out of time?

Thanks Bill. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. With that in mind, we'll go ahead and close the closed session or the public comment section, and we'll go ahead and turn the presentation time back over to Utopia.

Apologize for that. One of the beauties of living in Tremont is you don't have to deal with coming from Salt Lake, right? Anyways, I don't know if you have a way for me to plug in HDMI. Otherwise, I can't do this. Yeah, you might have to go over there.

That would be great. Descends in. I don't know where the other.

I know that's not true. All right.

Anyways, I'm Roger Timmerman.

I'm the executive director at Utopia.

I've been here a few times.

We try to get here every year to give an update on how things are going. Jason Roberts is here with us. He's our CFO. We like bringing him because he's a local. He lives in Perry and worked for Brigham City for many years. What? Oh, grew up in Tremont. That's right. He's got a lot of connections here.

And of course, he's going to come see his parents.

Yeah, this used to come by.

I saw my dad right on the way here.

Yep. I won't do too much of the history, but it's kind of nice for some context. We had the founding members of Utopia. There was 11 cities that created Utopia from the very beginning. This was back in 2004. It was when they first bonded for projects. It was actually created in 2002, but really got real in 2004. But since then, we've had a lot of new partners come in, and I'll explain why there's a benefit to that. But that list keeps growing. this kind of timeline of things. We had a little bit of a rough start. Some of that was timing of broadband and meat, but there was also lots of challenges and a lot of craziness and difficulties. But around 2009 was a turning point when we were able to finance projects, build them, and they were profitable. It was about that time that Tremont got built out. And then we continued to build out the rest of the cities. Even before we were done with the original cities, we had some partner cities come in and get involved and partner with us on financing their projects. So there's just lots of little kind of cities coming into this timeline, especially in the more recent years. Couple accomplishments here. We are the largest open access network in the country, which is open access refers to our model of building fiber and letting different private companies come in and use that compete rather than us just being a competitor to the private sector. We like the private sector. They like us. We allow them to come to your city and offer services that they wouldn't otherwise be able to do. So anyways, that model, we're the largest of those in the U.S. There's much bigger ones than other some of the cities doing this. We have the fastest speeds in the country. I highlighted some of these things with bold, I guess. We now have 400 gig connections. Last time we presented it, 100 gig was our biggest customer, although our core was 400 gig. Now we have lots of 400 and 800 gig in our core and customers with 400 gig. Now, that's not the typical customer down the street. That's like University of Utah and customers like that. um it's the most competitive system and what we mean that is you have the most options and that number changes too uh there's nowhere else in the country where you can pick from 19 different internet providers you just don't have that many choices um a lot of these providers are local companies like uh brigham.net is one of the options and we're worried that they weren't you know they were kind of limited to their little area in brigham city uh and then when we started doing this vibe network we thought we're gonna put them out of business we said no no we're here to help you, and that enabled them to upgrade to Fiverr and compete and then also offer services in other cities. So they're able to offer services here and many other cities as a result of that partnership, as well as many other providers. We're the number one awardee from the Utah Education Network, and that's been over many, many years, the last five years or so. So we've been winning more connections from the school system. They like that. We give them the fastest speeds, good reliability. We wish they would pick us just because they like us, they pick us largely based on price so at the end of the day we're saving them money at the same time that's a good revenue stream for us so it's mutually beneficial we provide air quality sensors in our networks we do smart city things we're rated really highly at top in the state for net promoter google ratings things like that so i just like that again that model is we put in this open access fiber and all these different companies can come in here and when we do it one time from a city perspective and a lot of all these companies share it it works just on the model We build fiber in every house. Even other fiber providers aren't doing a dedicated connection. They're doing like the whole neighborhood gets a fiber, and then it's all shared down within the neighborhood. So if your neighbor is a bandwidth hog, your connection slows down. People see that. They see that on CenturyLink fiber and Google fiber and other things that are out there in the market. Not that that's available everywhere we are, but even compared to other fiber options, Utopia fiber is the very best. You get a dedicated connection. If you get a gig, it's your gig all the time, no matter what your neighbors are doing. If you get 2.5 gig, you get 10 gig. It's never impacted by the other customers. The 2.5 gig tier is somewhat new, and we have lowered the pricing of 10 gig in recent years or so. We've been improving a lot of our interfaces and reports and things. And this is enabling a lot of future things. And maybe I should take AI out of there. That's a little sensitive topic these days. But it's happening. And the good things that happen as a result need fiber. Bad things too. But that's the case with the internet generally. Fiber is enabling the future and all the things that come with that. And it needs a lot of fiber. And other technologies aren't capable of being ahead of that. So we're very future-proof by having this in place. OK. Couple of charts. We love our charts. I've drawn a line here from the last time I was here. So it tends to be relative. This was last time we were here presented was April 2, 2025. It's been just over a year. And since then we've put on over 10,000 subscribers across all of our systems. It's a lot. We're very fast growing. This is kind of by city. So it's kind of mixed in there with a lot. So you got to go pause. It's really going home. But all other providers in the market. You've got satellite services, you've got fixed wireless offerings, and yet the most popular option is still fiber, and even increasingly so. Our percent take rate is even increasing. It's definitely a leader. Availability is the term we use for where it's available. Now, we built the whole city, but the city keeps growing. We keep building more homes, and so that number goes up. Obviously, that costs us money, but we This is your subscriber growth. The bump there was the result of the door-to-door campaign. You guys wouldn't have seen it because you already had a service, right? But if you didn't have a service, you probably had someone knock your door. We don't like to do high-pressure sales type of thing, but we work closely with the people doing that to make sure it's delicate and it's more just kind of awareness. Want to make sure people are aware of that. We spend a lot of money on ads for Facebook and other things, and despite all of the marketing we do, sometimes someone shows up at the door, talks about it, and they're like, I've never heard of this Utopia thing. We're like, okay, well, it all works. Different people respond to different types of messaging, and we definitely saw an improvement in our subscriber rate when we did the Door-to-Door campaign. i will probably do some of that again this summer so if there are any complaints we want to hear every single complaint so that we can address it with that sales rep so if that does ever get to the city please let us know again it's not we don't want it to be the negative you know thoughts that come to mind when you hear somebody knocking doors we want it to be a good experience and kind of soft touch are available. It's really hard to see before and after changes. So this is, you know, year to year, just the last year, I guess. But if you look closely, there are little dots that pop up on there.

So those are customers on the system, different types of customers, the color of the flues or businesses.

But it's strong. Just for comparison here, if you were to look at this in the last year, when we grew over 100, I think it was Oh, that's right, so average of 9.75 subscribers per month, so that number times 12, so we added just over 100 customers, which is pretty good growth for a year where we didn't really, it's not brand new. It's been here available for a while. We had another 100 customers get installed on the service. We felt like it was a good year. To the overall organization, so the context was the original project was Utopia, and that's where all the people and staffing and operations are. and we kind of have a lot of different structures of how we manage those two organizations but they're they're all doing the same thing there's just when we're talking about utopia fiber it's kind of both of those but both of those together is that top line and the revenue growth you see the revenue growth has been very good um and we'll talk about what that what that does for us um and then this is just the uia side now tree mountain is not a member of uia it is a member of utopia but the success of uia is a very good thing for utopia because the revenue there helps us to pay debts and because you uia is using utopia to make everything happen it pays ui utopia so then when utopia's revenues go up that puts us in a position to be able to pay the bonds otherwise you'd say utopia is kind of stagnant because all the gross that you uia And there's no hope for these bonds, right? But because of the partnership and the two agencies and the work that's happening with both, there is a financial benefit to both. And this is kind of what it comes down to. So this is the bonds, the original bonds. So all the UIA stuff's paying for itself. So there's never, whether you are or not a city involved with UIA, there's no cost to those projects. But the upside is allowing us to pay more and more of the original Utopia bonds every year. And it's kind of working against us a little bit. Every year the payment structure on those bonds goes up 2%. So it's like we're swimming upstream a little bit where it's kind of fighting against us a little bit because it goes up by that, I don't know, about 350,000 a year or so, 327. so we're making a payment every year but it goes up every year and in the last the goals of the last year was we're going to try really hard to pay more every year so that the amount that the cities are paying stays the same and what that results in is for this fiscal year that we're wrapping up uh the payment to Tremont is 127 000 and that payment's been approved we have a letter for you and bring it though um but you'll get that payment here end of the year to reimburse you for a portion of the payments on those original bonds. Our budget for next year just got approved last week in our board meeting. And not just keeping up with that 2% increase, we went a little above and beyond, not a lot, but some, another $100,000 in total. With Tremonton's piece of that, it goes up a little bit beyond that. So you actually see the amount, the net amount that you're out next year will be less than it was this year rather than just stay flat it'll go down a little bit and we hope every year to go back and say okay can we even do a little more this year a little more and it's well it's dependent on some things right if there was a huge loss of customers right we would not be able to do that So, it's definitely in all of our best interest to continue to encourage people to be aware of this, encourage them to sign up, because as we grow our revenues, not only can we keep up with increasing bond payments, but we can actually get ahead of them a little bit and decrease the amount that's falling back on the cities. Eventually, we hope to pay the cities back. The term of the bonds is 2040. those bonds are done and then we say great if we still have lots of revenue and we're continuing hopefully even the increase in year over year then there's some pretty significant revenue that could be paid back to the cities with interest for everything that's been paid in the past that's out of ways 2040 so i wouldn't you know don't count on it too much now but you know we're i would stay alive till then But but every year we're going to continue to be pushing that hoping that you know do better every year and then also set ourselves even Really well for 2040 when when those bonds are done So just a couple like summary here Utopia and UIA are financial performance continues to improve year over year. We continue to grow our take rate revenues increase with that the payments for the original bonds are increasing every year and and even then some a little bit starting next year. That payment technically is still subject to approval by the UIA board and Utopia boards at the end of the next fiscal year, but that's what the budget has in it. And we believe strongly that we'll be able to do it, but technically that's not committed until it's approved late next fiscal year. The payments for the original refinance bonds are counted as an outstanding obligation. Again, those are the structure that is actually a loan. Most cities kind of just consider it an expense because we don't know how good of a position we'll be to pay those back. But we're being optimistic and the trends are pretty good. So again, like I said, we're going to continue pushing and marketing and signing people up and doing partnerships that bring in revenue. And then the schedule on that is June 2040 is when that's done. This is one other point I wanted to bring up here. This is kind of an economic impact of the system. We sit here and say, well, we know what people pay for service and we know what the city's paying. And it's like, it's kind of painful that the city's having to pay something, right? We wish it worked, but consider the benefits. what are those benefits well we've looked to some studies that have been done both on utopia and uh there was a bozeman fiber study and the biggest one that was out there was epb which is the chattanooga fiber system and looked at what they found is the economic benefits of these systems and the really obvious one is in general when when there's a city system in place uh the average household saves 29 dollars a month compared to a city that doesn't have it That's a lot of money. I mean, especially where so many things are getting more expensive every year. Your city can say, what we've done here is saving the residents money. It's costing the city some money, but the benefit, the financial benefit in the pocket books of your wallets of your residence is more significant than the expense of the city. So it's a pretty big deal. Now, when we add that up with the number of subscribers, that amounts, oh, sorry, I didn't change Orem. I changed the numbers. I forgot to change. I got it on the last line. Sorry about that. This is Tremonton numbers, not our numbers. But if you were to add that, you've got 1,634 residential subscribers in Tremonton. And if you were to just multiply that by that savings times 12 months, that's over half a million dollars a year you're saving your residences by having this. Now, that's actually just the residents that have the service. Technically, the study says savings a million if you use their numbers. But we're playing it conservative here, that we're saving your residents over half a million dollars a year. Tremont and businesses, again, sorry to update that, estimated it's about 100,000 or so a year. We have a bunch of business connections, obviously schools. We consider anything that's not a home a business connection. So all of the other entities in the city benefiting from the system to the tune of about $100,000 a year. Across the entire Utopia member cities, That's estimated to be a $900 million economic benefit to the cities over a 10-year period. If you were to take Tremont and slice of that and say, well, what is it just to Tremont? Your benefit over a 10-year period would be about $40 million. Well, we're already well past 10 years. I mean, we started this, like you said, in 2004. But it wasn't built out in 2004. So I would count it more towards like 2009 until now. So you've got like 17 years of benefit. We expect to have it. 20 30 50 years or more benefit i mean this this fiber network is good for multiple generations the technology has to be refreshed and we're already on the third generation of technology like when we started it was like aren't you excited about this 10 megabit service right and it was 100 meg and that was gig and now we have 10 gig so it's the equipment's been upgraded and refreshed but the fiber that's been put in the very oldest fiber is still good And it's still good for 50 plus years. And there's no reason that it's not going to be relevant. Every technology and everything and every futurist looking at things is like, this is the future. You may also have a Starlink connection when you go out on your RV and camping, whatever, but it doesn't have the capacity to replace the speeds and performance for home service effectively and the needs coming. And so it's like, it's not likely to replace it. It's likely to augment it. And then all the other services struggle in various ways and they're also more expensive, even Starbucks is more expensive. So we continue to see really strong trends and optimistic about the future. Hopefully you guys like it. The bond payments are painful, but again, we're making really great progress. And at the end of the day, the community is receiving an enormous benefit. And I think the city should be celebrated for doing that. And if you talk to cities that don't have this sort of broadband service, it's a real struggle for them. So anyways, that's what we have to share. And I'll send a copy. Do you guys keep records of these presentations? I'll send it to you. any questions for us or jason if you got hard questions or jason and if they're easy he's the finance guy he knows all the numbers so they get the numbers right on most of the stuff here hopefully all of it you you gave me the numbers i did have a problem with a thing and called and they were there the next day and fixed it like when we said that we dug one up i wasn't home it's like now what do you do if you don't have internet

We didn't know what to do. Get out of the house. Thank you. Well, thank you. Appreciate it.

We'll go ahead and move on to the next portion, public hearing. Consider amending the annual budget entitled the Tremont City Annual Implementation Budget, 25-26.

So that, are those right there? Yeah, we're amending it.

Okay, okay. Oh, the one, okay. Yes, the current year we're in. All right.

and enterprise funds and special funds for the period commencing July 1st, 2025 and ending June 30th, 2026. The floor is now yours. okay seeing no comments we'll move on to the next public hearing we'll we'll close that we don't need to have a vote on that here here okay to consider adopting the annual budget entitled the tremont city annual implementation budget 2627 general fund enterprise funds and special funds for the period commencing july 1st 2026 and ending june 30th 2027. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing on that. This is a portion where we have the unfinished items. We have the PUD. I don't think that's – oh, it is on here. So we'll discuss that further in the strategic business, the PUD one. it's time now for discussion on pillar three I gave you all of the paper here so we can read them but this is on pillar three strategic discussion on connecting to the peace and security Zach's not here but if we were to go through and identify some of the challenges on peace and security I've got aging facilities domestic violence, bullying, and youth safety, scaling safety with growth, limited economic development, and workforce development. Some of the outcomes would be police, fire, and emergency preparedness capacity that stays ahead of our city growth, a multiyear plan for scaling safety services with population and regional risk. I think that's vital as we're growing that we don't just grow, but there needs to be a plan in place to take on that growth and support these safety departments. Bill brought up the fact of we need the officers here as people come in, we need to continue to provide the officers in fire and police. um peace at the neighborhood level with trust between residents and public safety this is where other departments can come in with some of their community events and help us with that neighbors who know and care for neighbors focus on that economic diversification so what are your what do you see as some of your challenges inside of public and safety connection to peace and security

So, surprise, I'm not gonna talk about public safety. It's your night. No, no. So as we talked a lot about economic development and kind of where we wanna move to as a city and kind of what citizens want. And I think there's very much a desire for us to stay a rural community but still have the things that inevitably take us to other cities to shop and do other things. And so how do we do that and still stay small? I'll jump in if I read this wrong. As we try and court those businesses and those companies that will bring in places that people will come to, spend their money, turn around, go home, there are a lot of things that go into that. The bigger, more serious companies that are helping that, one of the first things that they do, and I'm learning a lot the last six months. One of the things that they look at is how the city cares for itself. They look at the parks, they look at the streets, they look at the infrastructure of the city. it's no surprise to anybody that city hall which isn't even named city hall the fire department and the police department if you're if you're wanting to come and invest millions think about what those look like now this is this is an ai generated image okay i'm not very good at it and so it i think the closest one is is city hall in my opinion if we're gonna if we're gonna what's the right word not the word because that's something correct attract entertaining thank you these these businesses don't gotta look like we we know what we're we're doing that we have a serious um it's a serious attraction so in order to uh I just kind of ran some just some really general really general numbers uh talk to my uh my sister who is actually a I don't know what the it's an interior designer but she also does her husband's a a contractor that does like specialty projects and homes and stuff like that she does a lot with the exterior So I got some advice from From her on on consistencies to make roughly To make the three buildings look like they were intentional Right around ballpark 250 275 thousand dollars for an exterior facelift It does nothing for the interior, but from some of the people that are entertaining, bringing those types of businesses here that I've talked to, the outside impression with an understanding that with the increased revenues we would hope to be in buildings that would actually pass an inspection now my understanding is that tremont city does not own a building that would currently pass inspection that's a problem not one that we can deal with right now but we've got a it's kind of an analogy where it's You have to spend money to make money. If we want to get to that point where we get those businesses in, are we willing to put lipstick on pig? And so that's kind of what I went into this looking like. I got no bids, no anything. All I did was some very basic research and my attempt giving ai some instruction which they you know it's okay but uh we could have main street committee design committee help out too so it's all consistent with the main street project just isn't that way oh yeah i do like what you've done but well so that we're consistent across the board with what they plan on implementing downtown and in talking to uh and talking to the police chief and fire chief about you know just kind of you know in general um not not focusing on the interior but on an exterior thing you know what types of things would would you suggest would could make it look like it was an intentional complex um both chiefs told me that that their belief is that And I don't know how this falls with the ability to do it, that the employees, at least in the police department or fire department, would donate time to make this happen. I don't know if that presents a liability risk or anything like that. But that's kind of the thought. corporations are coming they can at least see the we're calling city hall city hall i don't even know what civic center is like was that has it always been city hall city hall somewhere else and this was a different building before a long time yeah i mean yeah so that's my uh that's my plug well and you know this brings a good point i mean part of these these discussions and these goals are okay

We want to have a vibrant city that we can develop ourselves economically. And these kind of things would then come forth saying, this is something that we would like to do in the next period or so to help us get towards that goal. And I think I can't disagree with your logic. We need to make it feel welcoming for others to come in. And there's other cultural things that I think need to change as well. For example, I think we can work on a little bit more beautification in our city. Well, that falls under pillar one. But now all of a sudden, departments now can start working towards, okay, what can we do to beautify this city? Because we've set these overarching strategies as a city council to help drive them and to have the citizens help us. With that in mind,

do you see any other challenges or should we scratch any of these out are there any other challenges in this pillar three that you think need to belong i really like linking the main street project with this with this pillar because but the okay we're working on sidewalks right now but we know the sidewalk fix is a bendy with the main street committee coming in and online and things that they are moving towards that's that's going to help with the safety of overall treatment especially main street another area with safety that i see and i'd like to see a podcast in on this and that is our children with electrical bikes and things like this in the neighborhoods it's getting to be an issue people are calling me right complaining about that that is a safety issue for our children and for people driving but a lot of this safety and security that we're talking about for the city cleaning it up is a huge thing but i think main street is key i really have to give them that we're going to ask people to step it up tonight i'm with you that step up our vulnerability you look at

the one that todd bought over here and we've just done that it doesn't take much like north building i mean and then the lighting i mean nowadays with the led lighting that can change colors it makes it makes a ton of difference on even on these old buildings and then main street's going to be buildings all be different i mean they all they're all be different but they're all in order to so the facade grant program we got the version

in our desks to review that would allow in order to get the money from the city there has to be standards followed through the design committee so there at least be a consistent look feel and brand down the entire mainstream and that's going to start very soon we're going to be actually doing real facades is that something that this could all play into that same. That's what I was saying. It's right here. Let's just build it all under the same standards. Let's have the design committee themselves actually do it. And the design committee is doing a good job. So let's keep it consistent.

You know, another one that comes to mind on peace and security, and I don't know if it's me, but I'm really noticing a real uptick in vandalism. in our city. Zach would attest to this in our parks and whatnot. There's a lot of this going on. So I'm concerned.

I'm concerned about that.

I think there's a tie with that to also the feedback that came in on our surveys with USU, the wellness survey, which was things for youth to do. Right have providing enough opportunities for youth was one of the highest and biggest concerns and you know, so there is a lack of things for youth. And that I think that helps with vandalism because if you're a teenager and you're bored. What do you end up doing?

Well, there's another tie-in to that on the vandalism. There are several studies on vandalism. We went through this in West Jordan, but when something's vandalized, the faster you can get it covered, then it actually lowers. If vandalism happens and it stays... it gets added to at a much higher, much higher pace. And so, I mean, that's, that's where it comes into, you know, whether it's, whether it's through to the courts with working instead of paying fines, something like that. I've got words zapped out of my head. But on a vandalism, having some of that structured and where we can get it off. But there's also a tie with it. I mean, you look at the cities that put it in skate parks. And I remember the first time that West Jordan put it in a skate park. And I thought it was the dumbest idea and the biggest waste of time in concrete. And that's back when concrete was only $60 a yard. So then it actually decreased the juvenile crimes that we had going on in the city. And it's like, I mean, it couldn't ignore the data.

Okay, we're good. So I don't know what that looks like as far as like outcomes might be some way providing more opportunities for youth to help combat that.

And which pillar that would fall under. And one other concern with this challenge is that

that I've been exposed to probably in my ecclesiastical duties was the Latino population that we have here in the city often feels segregated and profiled a little bit. And I think some of that's maybe manufactured, but there is a lot of reality to it and the fear that a lot of them live in. I'm not saying that we as a city provide solutions around immigration solutions or any of that. But what I am saying is I just want to shed light on the idea that there are a lot of people that live in massive fear every day of that, of ice or whatever it might be. But I just wanted to share that human to human, I think that's something that I'd love to have compassion on and welcome.

I think there's a lot of our Latino population who thinks police force equals ICE.

No, they do. They really do.

And so if you go to have a cultural event, a lot of them won't go because they'll think police are waiting there with ICE. And so that would be part to dismantle is that culture of feeling unsafe in our communities.

And that's getting together with the police and getting together with the city as a community. And I just, we'd be doing ourselves an injustice if we didn't include that every culture has strengths and weaknesses.

And some of the strengths of that culture are something that I just, I get emotional about. Yeah, I get that, but I also- there's still like there's still a lot of yeah I do that's why so that's that's why I'm breaking along the sanctuary city or anything like that if you're going to take that or support or support ice I've got I've got a lot of really good close friends that work for ice that are being dispatched to these cities where they're when they're being abused and I and I won't that's why I'm highlighting how can we do both If somebody's feeling that way, it's, you know, I can go out on my own. Me too. I agree.

You know, the thing we had at Schumann Park, we didn't, but the library did, kickoff. That's one thing the parents talked about was the interaction with the police department, with the public, and how well they liked that and how their children felt like the police were a friend and not a foe. And I thought that in itself, what the library did, I thought spoke volumes for the police department.

I think the police that are in the schools help do a ton. I do too.

Because they've got to build a pretty good connection, even to the bad answers or the ones that don't think they're bad answers. They're watched and I think they respect them.

There's a gentleman that I follow just on leadership podcasts. He was hired by the FBI because he was having such incredible success. And he was having gang members over for dinner. And he'd go right to the leader and welcome him in his home for dinner. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong.

It's a strategy.

But I just believe in that concept of the more we can be with our people, the better off we're going to be. so okay creating a safe environment whatever that means in a desired outcome is a safe environment for everyone to be there great anything else any other comments

Thank you. We'll put this one down and then we'll discuss pillar four in the next meeting and then we'll compile all these together and we'll give the city some direction. Some additional direction. Okay. We would like now to entertain a motion for the consent agenda. Any council member may request an item be removed for separate discussion if you wish to have it. We will be approving the minutes for June 2nd, 2026. Approval of resolutions, and I'll just read the numbers. 2634, utility write-offs. 2635, ambulance write-offs. 2638, accepting the certificate tax rate. Resolution 2639, amending fees and fines schedule. 2642 amending section 18 of the personal policy and procedures and resolution 2643 amending section 16 of personal policies and procedures Okay, we have a motion by Councilman Jax a second by Councilman Westergaard roll call, please yes yes yes okay now we're going to go into strategic business and this is where this tool is going to really come in handy we're going to start off with discussion and consideration of adopting the april and may 2026 financial statements and Each individual has up to three minutes to come up and give comments, and we can also have any point of discussion during that time. So we'll go ahead and open up strategic business letter A for public comment. about this financial statements yeah this one's just on we're just talking about the financial statements um if one of them if one of the things that we come into kind of refers to that and use that opportunity okay but yeah you'll have plenty we got like eight five of them here we're gonna go through so all right um all right we'll close uh oh no we're not gonna close anything um council have you got any further discussion or debate on this this uh on the financial statements for april or may april or and may of 2026. We have a motion by Councilman Lewis and a second by Councilwoman Volkut. Okay, those in favor of this item, please do so with a yes. Can you just restate? This one is adopting the April and May financial statements. Sorry. If you don't mind. Anybody? Yes.

Yes.

Any of you all say no? Okay. Adopted. B, discussion and consideration of adopting Resolution 2636, amending the 2025-2026 annual budget. This is open for discussion. This is the budget that we made some amendments to for this year. Okay. Council, do we have any discussion, any further discussion on this? I think it goes without saying we appreciate the effort It made it significantly easier to understand what we're voting on. So, okay, I would entertain a motion.

I make a motion that we adopt Resolution 2636, Mending that 2526 .

Okay, we have a motion by Councilman Westergaard. A second. A second by Councilman Jax. We probably ought to roll call this.

Council Member Lewis? Yes. Council Member Jinks?

Yes.

Council Member Belka? Yes. Council Member Westerberg?

Yes. Okay, the next one is discussion and consideration of adopting resolution number 2637, adopting the 2026-27 annual budget. And just remember too, we have Jamie here. And if you have any questions, this is the time. We can ask any of those questions. but we'll open it up to the public right now. Well, actually, well, do you have any questions for Jamie before we have the public? Okay, then we'll open it up to the public.

Thank you for the format and the delivery this year. That was nice.

It's just going to get stronger with capital.

So this is just for comments over this specific. Yeah, over adopting this budget. I haven't seen the budget.

Wow.

Yeah. Today. Well, I mean, is this a reference to Main Street? And what you were talking there? Could be part of the budget. I just had a couple comments on Main Street. Come on up. We're open. Say what's on my mind. Well, yeah.

No, no. Within reason. Within reason. We love to see you.

At the end of your comments, back the money. I'm going to go back to Brian Jackson's comments on lipstick on pigs. I don't like the idea of putting lipstick on a pig. If the building is really old and you've got plumbing and electrical and other issues, tear it down and build it new and make it look fresh. Renew it. Go all the way. I think if you put lipstick on a pig, you're throwing good money after bad. If it's that bad, replace it. If we're talking about Main Street, honestly, main street should be a four lane road two going this way two going that way and i don't know how you do that without tearing down buildings on main street or modifying them that would go a long ways towards making this a more attractive area and don't forget tremont street it runs right up here and if you're talking about beautifying the city you drive up down tremont street a lot of it looks like a ghetto You've got homes in there that look like junkyards that need to be cleaned up, and that needs to be addressed. There's that. And I'll leave that at that. As far as immigrants go coming in here, if they're here legally and lawfully and they're citizens and whatnot, then they have nothing to worry about. If they are here illegally, they broke the law, They need to go. And that's the way it is. So if they're not breaking the law, they have nothing to fear. The ones that are in fear have probably broken the law. And if they come across our border illegally, then they broke the law. And I'll shut up now.

Thank you.

Thank you. Any other comments on this?

any council discussion on the budget no i thought jamie did a really good job we upped our game with everybody that we've hired and even once we have hired just by spreading the uh what is it called ic stuff yeah distributing it out better a lot in all of the whole city i mean with carl everybody so you know i sat here for quite a few years in your seat right and the mayor would always sit here and say our employees are the best and

he's right you know I mean they're they're amazing and I get to see it a lot more than then I've had I've gotten to in the past and so I do appreciate what you guys yeah I know it's legit yeah it probably wasn't thought that made it so everybody can focus on other things and make it all good so i appreciate it what a compliment you guys thank you we were listening in there so we went the hall we just missed the compliment yeah with that in mind i'll entertain a motion okay here we have a motion to adopt resolution 2637 the annual budget for 2627 by Councilman Jacks and the second by Councilman Lewis, roll call.

Council Member Lewis? Yes. Council Member Jacks? Yes. Council Member Wilkirk? Yes. Council Member Westergaard? Yes. Motion passes unanimously.

Okay, next is adopting ordinance number 2604, amending chapter 3-500. Remind me.

This is just changing our start time to remove the start time

That's right, okay. Yeah, that's so we can have our meetings at five o'clock, you guys. And thank you for being able to support this. But I think we're getting some great things done for New York. Does any public want to come up and say something about our start times? No, no.

You want to start the meeting at five o'clock, you say?

We used to start in the six, or it was in our policy. We took the ordinance out so that we can start it at 5. And that allows us to have better work sessions.

The only comment I have on that, I think 5 o'clock is great. For those of us who are retired and don't have a job anymore, the earlier is better and it's not an issue. But if you're a member of the public and you want to come and participate and come at, you might not be able to make 5 o'clock. So you may go 5.30, 6 o'clock.

still do the city council meeting itself and so nothing's really changing other than we're not we weren't being legal by starting at five you were starting we were supposed to start still the same amount of people there yeah but good point on that and then part of that budget too is is um so people can see and be more involved. Okay, any questions for Cynthia on this? If not, I'd entertain a motion.

I'll make a motion that we adopt ordinance number 26-04, amend chapter 3-500.

Okay, we have a motion by Councilwoman Oka, seconded by Councilman Westergaard. yes yes yes yes okay now we have a discussion and consideration of adopting ordinance number 2605 repealing chapter 1.33 of the PUD code this is where you are welcome to continue your discussion with the planning department

Nothing to do?

I'll go after.

We're getting old.

You're not getting old. Probably.

I'm in trouble. I did.

So we doing this, are we?

or public hearing is this what we're moving forward to or are we just kind of burst we're just going to continue the discussion to see if we want to talk about that i think blair's in charge until oh yeah i'm in charge for you guys that

I'm in favor of taking it out. I just think we need to have something that if you've been talking to the developers and all that, make sure we're not in a problem where somebody's going to come in with some kind of a lawsuit that's saying, you know, we had, does it, is all the PIDs that are out there that's not started?

Anything new? And any application we have subject, they fill out a form, pay a fee, submit the required documentation. They have a vested application. They have a right to come before this body and have a review prior. Though they'd be grandfathered in, they would still follow chapter 1.33 as it is adopted today.

OK. So today, if someone were to use the PAD, Do they not have to bring a development agreement before the legislative body?

Under Chapter 1.33, yes.

Yes, they do. So it is still a legislative issue? Yes. Okay. So I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out is do we need to rush to get or repeal the entire thing if we could just make adjustments to it? if they still have to bring a development agreement to the legislative body?

The development agreement requirement would persist, as was stated in the work session. The PUD tool does have some issues where, again, it purports that an applicant could submit a preliminary plot, take it to the DRC, and get bonus density.

That is a tool that should go away immediately.

And that's what our company looked at and thought that that was a big flaw.

The review process and the application process kind of contradict each other. The application process defines it as a legislative process and the review process defines it as an administrative process. And so those two are kind of contradictory in the code and of itself.

perhaps better to not waste any time trying to fix the tool. And we are working hard to bring back a better tool that puts the legislative powers back into the hands of the people and the people they've represented. They've elected, I should say.

You know, and if the attorney, I know you've been in long discussions with the attorney with this. If he feels like this is something we should do, I support you 100%. PUD is self-advocacy. been a troublesome tool I think it's been overused and abused so this way we're going to get a clean slate get back on a good standing and move forward in the right direction I think it's great and the right direction not a book would entail a

We're working hard to work on a new ordinance, but the proto version of that would be an outline of what the new tool would entail, and we could rule that out quickly. I would say within the next few weeks or months. That way, we're not just shiplap bringing forward a different tool just for the sake of something different. We want to have our attorney review the entire new chapter and all of its sections to look at it from a liability standpoint and make sure we're doing a good job. That takes time.

And I appreciate what you're doing. We have drafted an outline. And I had thought of bringing it to present tonight, but it's a really long meeting and you have a lot to go over. So we felt like it would be best not to. The issue was repealing the PUD. The issue wasn't the time to present that yet. That's all. But we do have an outline already.

so so my my only reservation is that with just not knowing the direction we're headed to and i just haven't had a lot of time to research it right so just with the information i have i love the concept i super support it but i would almost be inclined to table how we can see that personally but if if you guys are comfortable moving forward um i'm not far away from it And I love the direction of, the intention of why we're heading where we're headed.

If you don't mind me sharing my opinion on this. We'd love it, yeah. City and city council, we had several subdivisions that came before us. And they were presented at a certain density, okay? And we debated with the city, we talked, we went through all everything we needed to, and we decided, okay, let's move forward with this. After that, the PUD was applied, and density was added, and now, all of a sudden, they're coming back expecting this density to be given to them, but we never applied it. Correct, but the problem is on the DRC, they can start to let them use this density, We need to come in right from the beginning as a legislative body and say, here's the density you can use, now you can move forward from there on. And then we're not hit with any surprises. And so they come to us with all this information, then they come to us with, and we can also at that time go ahead and say, we also would like to see a water tank, and we would like to see this, and we'd like to see this, and we can do that on our level.

So the surprises being the things that are in, But we have laid out that PUD saying these are things that we would agree to. We would give you density if, and that's what you guys are saying, I don't like the things that we've put in the PUD.

I don't like the power that was given to the DRC to make those decisions. Think about what happened just a couple of months ago. right and i'm trying to remember the name of the of the development where the there was a sudden workaround and a an agreement made between the city and the developer that did not come before this body and it was this loophole that that was that that was used in that we were gonna pull away the pud in it and so a side contract was heard and pushed through and signed to, and that did not come before this body. And so for me, if repealing it and it sits out a month, even to send a message that that's not how we're doing business. Like I said in the work group, if you've got an idea for a development, I'm all about it. But come and lay it on the table and develop what you said you were gonna develop. And develop what you told the public you were gonna develop and not just sleight of hand and that's what i i feel the current pud does is it gives the opportunity for that sleight of hand and so i i'm going to go in favor of scrapping it how many of us with charlie gone how many of us have to vote yeah we have to have three three

And by all means public can come and comment if you want to make any comments You're sure welcome to it this time. Can I ask?

Mayor and City Council if I could preface the public comment really quickly There was a survey from the NPI that made its way as an exhibit into your staff reports. That was in preparation for the planning commission meeting. What you have before you right now, and what this gentleman is going to clarify on is that this is another round of survey.

Okay.

Well, my name is Lane Wilding. I'm part of the NPI. And I'm trying to do the due diligence here. You know, you've asked us to provide you with comments. Relative to things that are important to the NPI, this happens to be one of the items that residents are very passionate about. And so we put a survey together and sent it out to the Tremont West NPI. I have 75 people that are part of this distribution list that I sent this survey to. I had 15 respond. A week ago when we showed this data to the Planning Commission, we only had five people respond. So we had 10 additional responses. and i want to share with you what we learned now my understanding relative to the mpi and what the process is that you guys are looking for us to do this and you're looking for us to provide input so you're going to get input from this source from the city which came to you we're adding to that based off of what they got additional data So we're trying to keep you up to speed with what we know. So based off of this, I had one person who said no. They're not in favor of making the change. 93, 14% of the 14 people said yes. Is that a good representation of the group? I don't know. When I send out the survey, I do not ask for them to put their emails or it does not respond with the email. So these are totally anonymous to me. I have no idea who's responded or so on. I don't want to have and judge anybody in my group in this area. I want it to be totally anonymous. And they can state their opinion, whatever it is. And I have no idea who it is. And that way, I can't prejudge them and treat them differently as an individual, as my neighbor. so when i'm doing this it's totally anonymous the inputs they feed back to me i have no idea who they gave these responses so i'm just going to read through the comments i got several of them one is i am excuse me i'm of the opinion that Tremonton should be allowing developers to build to the zoning of the master plan that will be very interesting to see what Tremonton has got planned for the future process for developers to follow i would hope that we the residents will get to have some input into the future process I will add my own personal comment. I very much would like to see that involvement. And I know Christine has been talking and indicating that when they're ready to share that with us, they're planning to do so. Next comment. I think the repeal would give more time for thoughtful consideration on how this might affect the infrastructure and other factors. Next comment. It seems PUDs can be used for too many different purposes. The fourth one, the PUD only for large-scale projects. So this is a suggestion from somebody, one of our residents, that said they must include a minimum land size requirement of 100 acres or some number, separate entrances for every housing type, at least 10% acres must be developed for public use, recreation, trails, parks, schools, and so on. So this is a suggestion from one of our residents. And the last one is, PUD is a nice way of saying high density housing with new space to appease the city council and put money into the developer's pocket and the citizens get left with a mess and community problems. Get rid of the PUDs. Let's ask what really does it fit for development and add true value to our community. so again the idea here is to provide feedback this is the feedback that i have received you know i wanted to clarify that now i have one other question or comment and that is representing the mpi if i had a separate and want to give separate comments my own personal ones would i get another three minutes I'm just asking the question. I don't know the answer.

This is the MPI input that you've requested. We would be interested to hear your personal opinion on this subject, this project.

Okay, thank you. My personal opinion on this is I believe that the PUDs have been a real sore spot with a lot of residents. As we've had our MPI meetings, they have been very, very vocal about the use of PUDs and are not at all happy with it. I'm kind of in the same opinion. I'm living in the county knowing that the property behind my house will be annexed before too long, which I can expect. I'm very interested in how it's going to be zoned and what that process is going to be relative to that and PUDs may play a role in how it gets zoned. Again, I have no idea that So I personally would like to be involved in this process of developing whatever it is we're going to go forward with in the future. And I believe, again, for my MPI group, I believe that there are going to be several who are going to be very interested and want to participate in that as well. So we look forward for that opportunity to do this. I don't know about the other MPIs and how they're responding and doing things, but at least I'm trying.

Thank you. Thank you. A question I have.

I think this is where Beau was going.

If we repeal this PUD and a new subdivision comes in and they want to move forward at a decent pace, would they still be able to do that?

Can I give you an example? Yeah. We have on the planning commission a subdivision that's coming in, and he wants to do a mixture of housing types. He wants the strict zoning because he wants to have clear guidelines and setbacks on setbacks and different things. So he is applying for an RM8, which would allow him to do single family and townhouses as well. So he can use the strict zoning to create that flexibility within his project and he's moving forward and it's actually a faster process for him because the PEV application is an intense, you have to have landscape, there's a lot of different requirements So the developers can come in and they still can use our base zoning for their projects if they would like. So thanks.

What changes if they need to change the, if there was a zoning change, right?

Well, they're applying for a hard zoning change. That's what it is. And so then it would be zoned back for whatever they request.

And so then I imagine, not putting words in your mouth, but I imagine when it came to the city council that they would know this is exactly the concept and how many units and density and everything in here are some of the things that they're asking for, right? And then is it up to the council to, I mean, I'm wondering, I'm just curious, I'm asking questions right now, but let's say for instance, we feel like, oh, we need more sidewalks in that area or we need better infrastructure or this, Would that be the time for the discussion with the city council?

Yes, but what we would do as a staff is we would say with this zoning, this is what they're allowed to do. And when you do the zoning type, there isn't as much flexibility as a PED would give you to negotiate, if that's what you're saying. But we would be very clear with this zoning, these are the things you can expect for that. Regardless of what the concept plan is, we would say this is what they can do with this zoning type that they're entitled to. and then it would be up to you you as a council to decide if that fits the general land use plan if that fits the area and we would hope to represent that in our staff report as well and then there would be excuse me there would be a development agreement that the final say all of it okay yes we'll move forward with this or we won't or we'll negotiate it right reviewed by the county attorney yes city attorney

my biggest concerns is just in general the understanding of what the role of the PDO is, right? You guys wouldn't have voted for the PDO and adopted it as a council if it wasn't doing something to benefit the city. And that's what I'm trying to be cautious of. When I see comments like this, and I appreciate whoever put it on here, because in some ways I do agree with it. It's a nice way of saying high-density housing with green space to appease the city council. I think that's just a general misunderstanding of what a PUD does. What a PUD is trying to do, and I think the intention of originally, I wasn't in the meetings, is the city has limited resources. We have to put in parks. We have limited budget. And so it's a formal way of negotiation with the developer. If they have a right to a property, they can do whatever they, as long as they're within that, they can do that. They can develop. What we're saying back to them is, and you campaigned a lot on this, that we need to get out of developers. A PUD actually isn't handing them more. It's actually us as a city formalizing what we get in return in a structured way. So a PUD that, as we have it, we might not like the density clauses. We might not like some of the things that are in the PUD. And I think that's at the root cause of what we're struggling with is the actual technicalities of the PUD itself, not the general idea of it. Because the alternative option is to do individual overlays like we did at River's Edge, where individually with that developer, we said, okay, park and this and that, and then we did it. We voted on that. Where a PUD still has to have a development agreement that comes in to back up what we're voting on. It checks the boxes. So, I mean, what I'm hearing everybody say is that the PUD itself has flaws. Not that the entire thing is garbage. although that's what we're voting on.

Here's one on that, and it's kind of that...

So all I'm saying is I would rather us go fix the specific ones rather than refill the entire thing, but I'm not against, you know, the direction we're heading, and I hear what's being said about the PUD.

But if we can come up with a better process, I think that's what we need to move towards because the PUD has been blocked. it's been abused, it's been flawed. If they, and I know they've come up with some ideas for a better process, I think we need to explore that rather than staying back here in the mud. And especially if the city attorney is saying, I take his advice.

And here's where I look at it, is that it's kind of that analogy of potter's clay, right? You know, at some point you just have to, you have to, scrap the mud down and and rebuild it rather than trying to to think through it i don't know where the where these individual loopholes that have caused us so many problems in the city i don't know where each one of them lie and so for me that's why i i it's not that i hate the idea of it or that the prior council did something wrong by instituting it There were several flaws found in it and the implementation of it is what really has me really has me upset, to be quite honest with you, was that it was, those loopholes were found, and rather than point it out and saying, hey, you know what, this is presenting a problem, it had, whether intentional or not, it had the appearance of being exploited, and to the detriment of the city as a whole. Well, they actually killed the PUD, right? So they actually, they decided not to use the PUD because...

We have never had a complete application for a PUD overlay submitted. So I'm not sure which one you're referencing that with tractors. We've not had one. The one over by River Valley. I think he was going to the PUD.

that's why I'm saying it I mean they've got it they've got some momentum going is there do we do we expect a development to come in the next 30 days that we couldn't work around as a legislative body to hit with the taste. Individually producing that, I say scrap it and put in intentionally what we want and more importantly, what the public wants. I haven't heard a single member of the public that wasn't a developer that said that they liked PEDs or how the development was going. That's not to say that they understood PEDs any better than I did when I first came in. I'm still learning on them. But I think we got a clear showing that the expectation is that what was in place before is not That's not what we want or should be using. Go ahead.

Can I give one additional comment, at least my perspective? The thing that irritates me the most about the PUD process is we, the public, at least I feel like we've been left in the dark. They say we want to have additional, we want to have parks and trails and this and that, whatever else. And now we want to put townhouses and condominiums and everything else up there in the property because we want this park. We want these white trails. And everybody's going, yeah, that's what we want, but at the cost of this, but nobody tells us what the trade-offs are. We have no clue what the trade-off is. Yes, we understand that you guys need the infrastructure and you need help there, but at the same point, we're looking at going like, hey, I really don't need to have that light rail. I prefer to have the lower density. I really don't need to have that park. I would prefer to have lower density. But yet, that trade-off is never really discussed. It is, here's what's going to happen. This is open for this density. We all agree to it. It's in the master plan. And now we have the PUD that comes in and says, now we're going to give, now we want, we'll get into this, we're going to do this, we're going to do this, and by the way, now we're going to scrunch all the houses together and make a high density. There's no discussion and no Education as to what the human tank is and what you know if the majority of the people say yeah We want to have the park great the majority of people say no we don't want the park Scrap scrap a high density, and that's why I think just on the on the the optics of the optics of the PD and and how was just the optics alone i think provide the basis for scrapping it anyway but i say this to me is the pud process has been a total blindside from what i have experienced because this is on this and now we get a total blindside by saying oh we're going to put green space we're going to do this we're going to put water towers yeah and now housing as a result. And I'm going like, wait just a minute here. How did we get to that spot? How did we agree to that? Who talked to us? All of a sudden it shows up in a meeting.

We have this thing with these kids that showed up this affordable housing on that. Somewhere there's a given. I agree. Because it can't be just up there where somebody don't want it or where I live or whatever. That's what's frustrating on our end is we get They got to have some of that. We got to have more. What?

I've seen the governor's whole thing. They had that.

We got to have more houses.

Oh, I agree.

And we got to bring the prices down. And that's what's hard. Up there, up on the hill with the water thing was a big deal because everybody's already complained about secondary doesn't work. Water pressures are low.

sure we don't have that that money so if we get somebody else to pay for it again has that never been explained to us yeah i think the pud had good intent and i think that it could have done some great things but there's some there were a whole bunch of missing pieces this being one of them there's a there's these all need to be brought together into a better process

and it's not to say that the whole pud process is going to be profit it's going to be built we're going to have one it doesn't look different yeah it'll be the same thing okay jeremy's going to give a quick run now with your permission okay it's called the planned community zone it is a zoning type

So the PUD overlay is a hybrid of the administrative and legislative processes. What the PC zone would report to do is to bring elements from the plot process in conceptual form, like the PUD overlay does now. But what it would do is it would be a completely legislative process. So we would ask for, we would ask for, a robust narrative that includes the setbacks that they're asking for the building height the architectural standards it goes through all of that it's there it's the applicant of a property property owner it's them shooting their shot but it's reviewed by staff um initially but the true review lies with the council themselves that's what i'm the most comfortable with and then and then the agreement that is yielded by the legislative process guides the administrative process they're drawing plans according to what was agreed upon built into this zoning type would be major or minor amendments so of course when you get into the ground and you just have a conceptual plan that maybe shows where the lots could go when you're in plat you you're spending real money on engineering you know what's in the ground and then you have to make some adjustments and minor adjustments to that could be reviewed by the zoning administrator and not have to waste the council's time but when a major amendment to maybe add or take away lots or whatever would come back to the council because you're changing the initial agreements

um and so that's the elevator pitch for that tool and you would see the process of what the major and minor agreements amendments would be as we present the code to you so then we can define what do you want to see at here and what do you want the administration to take care of the pud right now kind of blends those two things together so it's it's harder to know what is what is the administrative process and what is the legislative? This would have a very more clear define. It would do what the PUD was wanting to do, but in a way that gives you guys the full legislative ability to decide.

Because what's missing from the discussion is negotiation. They go to the DRC and they utilize a point system in the PUD overlay, and they purport to build a part. It's not really debated in the council of what that park is or how big it is or what kind of equipment it has or how much it costs or anything like that. The negotiation power, I feel, is taken away from the city. In a zoning type, and it's all legislated, it's all up front, then you can say, as a council, you can say a pocket park's not good enough. Why don't you bring forth a pool or a bigger park or trails or whatever you want to do, and you have that negotiating power, and I feel it would be restored to this body.

And one thing that I think a PUD has to its advantages is it does set strong standards, architectural standards. And those would be built into this code that you're talking about, right? So in other words, when the developer comes in and says, Well, I want to build in this area. They will have some documentation that says, but here is our Tremont City standards.

There's different zoning types within the PC. There's like a village. And in the village, these are the standards for the village. There's a mixed use. These are the standards for these things. And so there's different they can apply for. They can pitch, oh, I want to have. And if they have a large track within the PUT, the pc zone they will have this is where the village standards are going to be this is where the commercial standards are going to be and they can actually take and mix it together so that when we bring it to bring it all together like if you're talking like when this will be master planned communities that we're wanting that that we were able to handle at the legislative level level so that does that answer your question there is there urgency in tonight passing this i think so

I think why not have some? Just because I have a lot of questions and I don't want to rush into repealing something that's, there's been a lot of work going. I'm going to vote to repeal. And I would propose tabling it to ask more questions, otherwise I'll have to say no, but not because I'm against moving forward in this direction. Does that make sense? It's just because I have more questions.

I'm going to say this, and I know we're on different sides of this. I am going to vote to repeal it, but I would ask that the urgency continue in getting something in place that we don't waste any time.

and any any concerns and things that we want to see in it that we communicate that to them in the building of this so we can get it back on back online in the in the way that i think it was originally intended i just wanted to express my appreciation of the mpi i think that's really helped bring to light what's going on in the city and getting people more empowerment more understanding And your staff has been fabulous. I don't think you've had a better staff in planning ever that I've known of. But I was on a commission before with you. I think you should take the recommendation. I think you should take the recommendation of the planning commission. They recommended that table this thing. I've got faith that they'll come up with something better. I know they will.

I mean, you guys have the same debate we have.

My opinion, too, is it's just not working. It might have had a good vision. It's not what we had when I was on there. It formed after that. It took me a bit to catch up with it, but I don't think it works at all. I think, you know, throw a trash can and get something better. That's my opinion. Thank you.

With that in mind, we can either take a motion to table or we can take a motion to move forward.

I motion that we adopt ordinance number 26-05, repealing the chapter 133 PUD.

I'll second that. We have a motion by Councilwoman Bocut and a second by Councilman Jax. Roll call, please.

Councilmember Lewis.

again i know only because i have a lot of questions would love to have tabled it but i love the direction and keep going and i trust you guys i really do it's just like just with without being able to answer some of the core questions that i have i can't i can't say yes so council member jacks yes council member bill kirk yes council member westerberg yes

And this is the advantage of this new system of ours of being able to debate and talk and I would get involved and I've appreciated it Okay, next is a letter after discussion and consideration of adopting ordinance number 2606 of any more questions for this fine team on lots of it this is the one that we want to go to what the state regulation is thank you you're doing a very good job i appreciate it

Like I said, maybe we're starting a new process, a new standard. I don't know, but we're trying. Tremont and West NPI. Again, we thought this was one of the things that we wanted to have the survey on, and so we got the response here. I have eight people that said no. We agreed. Two people said no, and five people were undecided. And most of the reason people are undecided is because we don't understand. And I think one thing that would be helpful in the future on things like this is to put in why we're doing this and why we're making this change. The comments are, there is no explanation why Tremont wants to delete this section of the code. Does that duplicate somewhere else in the code? We don't know. It was not explained clearly in the paperwork that was sent to us. can you split your own lot and still be within the zoning requirements of that lot i believe you should be able to do that and the last one is what would be the procedure if no one wanted to split their own lot with this chapter being removed again showing lack of understanding and having additional details with the information that was sent to us probably

i don't have personally other comments on this one so thank you mayor can i address that um we do have a staff report and that was uh not sent to them in a in a timely manner and in the future they will get the staff report so they understand the mpi yeah so that information will be getting out so that they understand these processes better.

The staff report being a document that contains staff's findings, contains exhibits of what's being shown, and different things like that. There's just different beats that it hits. So a document that would address the concerns.

Yeah. And the only documentation that they had was a public notice, and there wasn't a lot of information on the public notice. So that is our oversight.

Well, and one thing that I'm noticing, like, Jamie, you put yours together in the staff report, and you're doing the same. i love the pattern the information is wonderful and and i and i know we've talked in those staff reports as we move forward with subdivisions and we move forward with all this are going to be pretty intense and there's going to be a lot of information for you to read but you should be coming very well prepared and on that last the the discussion normally i would have

We're prepared. I was at the camp with no cell service. I just didn't have time to come ask you the questions prior.

This would be the first city council meeting with staff reports in a long time.

May I make a clarifying statement? With the coming time, we had a fast turnover. We had the planning commission, and then the next day, we got the staff reports. In the future, when there are bigger issues, we will need more time for the staff reports, so there will be more time from the time it gets to the Planning Commission to you, because it won't be to the very next week, it will be to the next, it will be bumped out to the next council meeting, if that makes sense.

To piggyback off that, you have a summary from the Planning Commission built into the staff report that can only happen after the Planning Commission meeting, and then you have six days, that's your deadline is six days.

Yeah, so we will hopefully get you more time so that if you're in the, have no cell phone service, you still have to put in.

And I do appreciate that you sent those out. That's awesome. Okay, I'll entertain a motion on this one.

I make a motion that we accept the Ordinance 26-06. I'll second.

Okay, we have a motion by Council Member Whiskard and a second by Council Member Lewis.

Council Member Lewis?

Yes.

Council Member Jess? Yes. Council Member Volker? Yes. Council Member Whiskard? Yes. Okay.

Last strategic business item, number G, discussion and consideration of adopting ordinance number 26-07, rezone from NDB to CH.

Correct.

The city is following its own procedure.

another survey is awesome i love it well it's in my history it affects us survey adults um for the property that you want to change the zoning on again 15 people responded 10 10 said yes five were undecided again not knowing the process we had nobody that said not to do it comments are one I agree that Tremont really needs to have more retail businesses that will be able to support the projected growth over the next few years which is going to be great next comment I would like to know what the specific plans for the property are and I understand that's probably confidential because whoever's going to be buying that property would not want to disclose it just yet would the developers be sapping or slapping down more townhomes that would eventually turn into slums matches that question or would they be developing something more productive and beneficial for the people of our community with the business for retail business and the next one better check with warm key and company i don't know who they are at this lab i try to screen these as best i can but again i have no idea who this person is or what that is but they were concerned about there being weeds in the place and hopefully that the new owner whoever buys it will clean the weeds up and do something productive and i thought the last two were actually very productive comments that probably should be addressed at some point in time there is going to be increased traffic on that road and if you ever get off 2000 on the main street that sometimes gets to be a real challenge especially if you're making a left-hand turn on that road and so that uh maybe looking at putting a light or something there that that could be a real concern as as we go forward and we get more businesses built into that area Again, just a just a comment of it is something that the citizens are concerned about is the traffic flow and the increased traffic That's what you have in there. I personally have no other comments on this.

I think is a great idea Let's move forward with it And in the attitude of respect I am thankful that Sean and company bought this property and put it aside because I it was a good piece of land to get hold of and so i'm glad that they did that and it said now afforded us the opportunity to do what we want to do with it and um so i'm kind of excited about that and it's it will be bringing a benefit to the city for sure yeah ben greener i just want to make a comment this councilman was brought it up about three weeks ago i was having a lot of pressure about the healing of secondary water

I had this problem before, naturally, before there was no water in the day. But this time I text Carl and said, hey, 40 psi or 20 psi very good through the day and he uh a few hours later he technically said can i come up and look he came up they drained the line just if there was any trash in it he looked at my filter and it was clean he said let me scratch my head and i go down and see what i can do an hour later he called me said check your pressure i had 80 psi i had a 3 psi for years And I've had 80 PSI since. I don't know. I don't care. I've had 80 PSI, and I've had it. I still wouldn't work the way I designed it. So I just wanted to mention that I want to bring it to your attention. Carl is a great guy. He's a picture. Every time I've had something, I've seen something wrong or something broken downtown, if I text him, he gets pissed. You're right. All right. I just want to bring that up since you mentioned it. Thank you. I had a lot of pressure. I had success with it, so thank you. Okay. What discussion do you have on this?

The only other discussion that I would have is would there be any interest?

I've had multiple developers reach out. about this property already, hearing that it was being potentially going to come to market.

There's a lot of interest in flex space, retail flex space on the property, but then also with a residence above. Is there any appetite for entertaining that so that you could also get short-term Airbnb rental above flex space, kind of like Gateway? um for that property because the whole goal of that property is sales tax revenue generation and also providing the things for that area but it would require a potential residential zoning i don't know what the zoning would look like but i've been past that and so i just want to get everybody's opinion quickly since we're talking about that

Council Member Lewis-Mayer. The flex units are really, really hot in the market right now. It's a hybrid of commercial with office space generally is its layout. I saw a play place used as a flex unit. It used the whole height of the building and the kids were kind of like monkeys up and down the whole structure. And so, yeah, I've seen different implementations of this kind of general flex use. Typically it has a larger garage area. It might have an office with like a half or a three quarter bath. and then it can include a living component, I don't think our code is equipped to allow that use.

We currently don't have a short-term rental code that's on our list of code updates.

That too. Yeah. Are we going to entertain that? I guess there's interest for that.

This would put a market up higher on our to-do list too.

Okay. I even received... a full rendering of mock-ups of what they would build, trying to tell us why they deserve the property, and that happened already, so.

Yeah, to be clear, those spikes on that gateway style, I look at much differently than I do I'd really like to hear what the public has to say about it.

I don't see how it would impact anybody. You're impacting the commercial already, so I don't know that individuals would be impacted. They even suggested building the pickleball courts that our city has been asking for into the complex as part of the project.

looking into i mean especially if we know someone's willing to or interested in doing that type of development but they have a business in the bottom yes around like all of it and they have some quarters on top living quarters on top aired short-term airbnb rental style for if there's you know a short-term two-week a vendor that's going out to the data centers approved or you know, it'd be a lot of transit right off the freeway right there. There's a lot of people that come in for baseball tournaments on the weekend that hotels are full and they go to Brigham City. Instead, they would stay here, stay in that Airbnb and pay us a transient tax, which we get extra additional revenue from.

So that's just the idea, the concept.

Fair time would be a big draw. Make sure you're heard, Greg. Get up here.

you know with something like that just to clarify something easier for a family to accommodate an Airbnb than it is a couple of hotel rooms we just want to make sure the state really regulates the whole short-term rental stuff and we want to make sure we're playing by those code

into that further and I get that for you but the state currently last I checked it's kind of you know place pretty tough for that for us to regulate against doing short-term rentals or you know specific to the Airbnb stuff so we do want to make sure that we're aware of that so this is owned MDB to CH commercial the CH probably doesn't support this idea would we want to

table this and have you look into a little bit different definitely wouldn't find it in mdb you wouldn't find an mdb it'd be more it'd be more um if you don't mind i would recommend continuing the rezone and then we were just discussing uh updates to the table that we could make to include some of the things that you're learning So that would probably be the easiest course forward.

We would invite a director from the committee to do that.

Yes. Would you like it? Yeah.

Would you like us to- To make updates and look at the table so that we can- With the location of the property, it's an economic development initiative that we're doing all of this for. And that is to generate one of our biggest issues is revenue in our city. And so we're trying to take and meet demand with revenue generation. And I think that's what makes sense on that front. and the area in there. So what's below the rentals?

Flex space. Flex space, meaning retail space for people. That garage space, Mayor? Okay.

Truly flexible space.

Okay, because, you know, you would like to see car dealers and all these people come in and really have a lot of sales revenue.

That would be... That would be great if we could get another.

So it'd be nice if that could generate the sales revenue and then also that on top of it.

Mayor, I've taken these types all the way to allow them.

May I address the council? Yeah. So in the code, there'll be two ways we can do this. If we approve it in the table or we update the table and bring it towards you, then it would be allowed in all commercial uses, not just this one. So we could do a permitted or conditional use. So depending on what you guys would prefer, we would love any guidance on that that you would want.

But we can bring a draft forward.

Yeah, and tell you the pros and cons.

Just gets it out into the open.

So are you saying that we adopt this rezone right now and then we can't add on to it or make changes, right?

To the zone itself. To the zone itself, yes.

And that will not hinder anything that may or may not come.

No. And this is the zone, what you're changing the zone to right now is what would fit most appropriately into the code.

Okay, I'm good with that. Thank you.

We'll make a motion to the zone.

Okay, we have a motion.

I'll second it.

to adopt ordinance number 2607 by Councilman Jaxx and a second by Councilwoman Bogut. Yes.

Councilmember Jaxx.

Yes.

Councilmember Bogut. Yes. Councilmember Westergaard. Yes.

My biggest fear is I'm going to say Councilwoman Bogut. Just say the person on the end. So if you see me struggling here, that's what that struggle is, okay? Yes, don't say councilwoman. Okay.

I said don't say councilwoman.

All right, Cedar City Leadership Report. Just quickly, because we're going short on time.

The CAB department had a meeting last Thursday. It went very well. We brought those policies to the table. We had a good open discussion. There are more changes that people wanted to see, but I was on kind of a short deadline here to get those . So you'll see those again, but that went very well. We talked about the org chart and communicating better. I feel like I've lost control a little. And departments are just doing whatever. And I find out about it from or whoever. So he has communications on communicating with me and just letting me know what's going on so I don't And then I did turn in one last grant that we had out there that needed to be finished. I turned that in yesterday, and it would come with, we only got the 90% so far, so it would be the other 10% they owe us, which would be another $110,000. We're coming our way for Carl's Equalization Basin Project and the ASR.

So, yeah. Any headway on the fire money replacement from Ellen?

We haven't heard a word. But the contracts are also, they expire December 24th, I think it was. So I passed those on to Chief Jaro to ask him to update and make sure they still want those contracts. They have to provide something, right?

So it's, you know, it's kind of crazy.

I haven't heard a word.

But you know, residents are paying for it.

They're just not giving it to us. Interesting.

I've reached out twice and never heard a word from them at all.

But they still owe us from before.

Yeah, they still owe us from before.

I mean, if you want, I can call Lee Perry and find out why.

That might be good, because, yeah, their fire marshal shot me down real right quick.

Kevin? I'll call him, too.

I'm going to try to explain, like, okay, I understand, because we didn't get you bills for 2014.

It doesn't matter. In my opinion.

But, yeah. i'm like hey you oh yeah they forgot so we're getting out of it yeah any bugs you'd like to put in people's ears would be great i haven't really been hosted by elwood i haven't heard a word i can't build them until i know how many building permits they've had to know how many houses to build for so the county the county i got that information so i could send them the bills and they responded and not none of them being last year or 24. and 25 now i'm glad you're on our team today yeah you take care of that yeah but then i didn't know what leg we have to stand on with it agreements were not active anymore so go fire go anyway i responded back to kevin at the county and explained to him and i haven't heard a word back from him either i was hoping i would just see a check but as far as i know unless they got it and i

they should know which deal the county goes and i'll have to check maybe they maybe they said we can go back and get the fire we went on and do a five thousand dollar bill for every fire yeah if we don't have it i think the contract says that yeah that yeah yeah it's not some way to get bills like fire is just going to over today transportation okay let's look at our calendar really quick

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when are you guys playing you're going to be so sick of me because yeah i'm playing saturday with them and then i'm playing with the cat brothers out there at your paydays and so we get to see the drummer boys you guys really did throw that stuff in yeah you can draw it i don't know thank you for letting me do the mushroom i'm going to stick to the rules and make sure to perform it he's really appreciative of you guys for allowing me okay okay i got my car called cleaned up

didn't make it and thank you for putting these mpi meetings on their third grade but central one is next next week from wednesday america's 250th celebration including the community dinner at schumann park you bring some canned food for including the entry there also be summer concerts from six to eight opie's alumni band and community dinner are you guys can i get a copy of that huh take a picture okay i'll do that so that thing got canceled unfortunately the band it was