Sustainability and Resiliency Task Force - Regular Meeting

Neil? Neil? Neil, if you're speaking, we can't hear you. We'll get back to Neil. Vice Chair Dave Dobler?

Hello.

Good evening. Neil, is your speaker working? I hear a noise. Neil? Again, somewhere.

Good to go.

We see you. Alrighty. Neil's here. Neil's present. Good evening, Christina. How are you? Hi. Good. How are you? Doing well. Doing well. Happy New Year, everyone. Happy New Year.

How are you doing?

Doing good. All righty. So Madam Mayor is not going to be joining us if you guys all saw. So let's move forward with approval of meeting minutes. Has everyone taken the time to review last month's meeting minutes?

I did.

Okay.

I would make a motion to approve without changes.

I second that. All righty. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Aye. All righty. Motion approved. Meeting minutes. Good to go. Old business. Update on the retail installation project at Vogel Park. I sent out a couple photos of two other projects that are being completed. for you guys to kind of get a visual on it. Christina, I need to send it over to you so you can see it as well. Sorry, I left you out of that. But now we have 100% funding for it. So privately funded and we'll be moving forward on it. That's basically my update. If you guys have any questions, things are moving forward. It's a really amazing team.

Great news on the funding.

And then the permitting we're handling with breezy permits.

You'll let us know when there's timelines?

Yeah, I'll send out a quick briefing of the timeline. That's it.

And are you guys documenting all of the processes necessary to make this a replicatable project? For example, here are the permits that need to be, you know, and here's the timelines for those permits. You know, I assume that part of the goal of this is to create a repeatable model where others can learn from the lessons, right?

Yeah, and you know what? This just came to mind. I think I'm just going to bring on the whole entire team that's behind this project. Colin, the marine contractor, Art, the perimeter. Thank you. I'm forgetting one more person, and Nick that does the manufacturing for the reed tiles. So I think it'd be good to now bring them for the task force now that we're fully funded and now things are just going to, you know, there's just no delays. Now they can go just like full force and have some insight from the task force as well to document it properly. They've done it at two other sites at private residences. I think this is going to be their biggest project so far. I don't know if it was sent out, the photos of the two prior projects that they just completed, but I could send it out a little bit later. Or let me see if I could just share my screen real quick. Hang on. Let me do this.

We may not even need to waste all of the contractors and the permitting peoples. We may or may not even need to waste all their time if we just get periodic updates or some design reviews. I'm sure Nick would love to come talk about it.

Yeah, I think all of them would. I think it's also like it brings their spirits up because it is like a tough sell for these things.

Alicia, have you been speaking to the building department or Public Works? Yeah.

I've been communicating with Frank on that just to be respectful to like management of their time. So I just send everything to Frank and then he delegates it or he manages that like with signing off on permits or applications. I don't know why I always have such a hard time sharing my screen.

My share.

Can you guys see?

Hello? There we go.

Can you guys see everything?

Yeah.

All right. So here's one project site. This is the planters that was developed by the marine contractor, Art. We had one of these fully donated from him. We'll be getting one of those at the park. And you see a little pretty mangrove in there. At this site, they installed reef arches. We would not be getting that at our site. And then here are the reef tiles that they installed at another private residence. And they did something really cool where they made it like, uh, the shape of a mangrove foliage.

Alicia, will this be, will this be installed by mid May?

I can't give you an answer on that, but I'll ask them if we can. What's the timeframe for that? Is there a reason for that?

Yeah, we're doing the Biscayne Bay Marine Health Summit on May 20th. And so if the goal, and I've spoken with Nick, so, you know, and I understand the purpose of this project. We win, you know, and he gets a good case study out of it. So this would be... an opportunity to highlight this project at the summit, right? And part of what we're going to be talking about at the summit, we're going to be having a developer's panel, specifically talking about developers' responsibility to the Bay. especially those who are building on the bay and so i've already started conversations about like different opportunities to have to make their development a net benefit to the bay right um people talk about the bay as a as a resource i talk about it as an asset that needs to be protected and there's value to protecting it for everybody. So if this were installed by May, that would be a really good topic to show off real quick, maybe even right before the developers panel.

Thank you for the reminder of that. I would really like that as well. I really just want to emphasize, I think there's a lot of new technologies coming out for seawall, eco-friendly seawalls. And I've looked at many different technologies and I'm really thinking with the advice of Colin as a marine biologist that is very passionate about Miami's corals and very versed on it. I really hope that this is something that is going to make a difference with filtering our waters and not necessarily even just promoting coral growth, but more of the bivalves and filtering the water. That's the one that really attracted me to pushing forward with these build-outs. So I'm going to get a timeframe on that and they move really fast. They're ready to go. Well, that was me getting, getting the funding for it, but now we're.

Yeah. The only, the only, the only way which this, where these projects will actually make an impact is if. if whether it's kind designs, whether it's reef arches, whether it's eco concrete, I don't know if there are, you know, which solutions are better than others. And the goal is not to promote one over the other, but to start a dialogue, because the only way in which this is actually gonna be of net benefit to the Bay is if we're doing it on a grand scale. So it has to scale. very quickly and new development and seawall construction is really a tremendous opportunity because the waterfront properties are going for ridiculous amounts of money. And so adding something like this is it's an easy decision for them. Right. And so we have to, we have to document it, show pictures, tell a story about it, and then get it in front of the people who are actually going to make the decisions. So May 20th is your, uh, is, is, is your deadline.

Sounds good. Does anybody else have any questions on this project? All righty.

This is great. I love it.

Thank you. Do we know anything about, off the top of your head, about the related group Marina project? I'm a little bit behind on some things. I've really been trying to just get the funding for this and with the Miami day and the new year and all that fun stuff, it's just been a little bit of a whirlwind trying to get people to get money.

I haven't heard of, I haven't heard of an update since it was at commission, but you know, somebody needs to get in front of related during the conversations about living seawalls and what they agreed to. I don't think that they even approached the county for the Marina. I think that was a conceptual idea on what they're gonna architect and design and then try to get permitted.

Right.

But I'm sure that all of these buildings are going to want to build docks and very specifically for large boats. You know, they're selling properties here for multimillion dollars and you don't own a multimillion dollar condo without owning a million dollar boat. And when you have a million dollar boat, you want to go on that million dollar boat. And you're going to want to park it right outside of your backyard. So my big concern is opening the floodgates to vessels that are too large and will then require dredging.

Yeah. I know Pagani is advertising private charters with a part of their amenities.

Private charters?

Like their own private like boat, like yacht that's included with their amenities.

Like everybody gets a free boat or?

Not gets a free boat, but it's like a shared boat and like a captain. That's what I heard. Something along the lines of that. So I don't know if they've ever proposed like a marina too, but I mean, like you said, like these multimillion dollar apartments are definitely going to want to champion big boats. Yeah. um yeah okay next topic let's see if we get out of here by eight let's do it new business discussion on housing on hosting an earth day garage no sale spring cleaning giveaway

Yeah, so a couple of, this is my item. A couple of events have happened recently that I participated in that were super cool. One is in Miami Beach, they had a hazardous waste drop-off and electronics recycling. They have a service comes in, they bring in the trucks, they bring in all of the guys to separate. You pull your car up, you open up your trunk, pull your stuff out onto a wheelie cart and they move it in. I think Miami Beach does this twice a year. Coral Gables does it two times a year, maybe more. I think Key Biscayne does this as well. And so this was very valuable. There's a company that this is what they do. I guess we just pay them, we contract them. to do to set up shop and then we invite the residents to do it maybe we want to partner with city of miami beach maybe we do not i don't really know i have the all the company information um to find out and this was a topic at the uh at the waste services meeting in commission chambers last thursday um and if anybody wants to talk about that we can as well um So I think that was on the idea for Frank, and I don't know if Christina would run that. I have the contact information for the folks if we decided to do it. I then participated in the Things Lab, which was just having a grand opening, and they're all about swap. They're all about preventing good items from going into the landfill by finding new homes for them. So think of it kind of as a thrift store, but it's more about either bartering or it's a really bad business model, probably. It's not a profitable business model, I don't think. But when I participated in the initial swap, they had a thing swap and they basically said, bring 10 items and you can come take from somebody else's if you like it. And then they had their thrift store where you can buy what you value. Darren and I each brought 10 items and we put our stuff out on the table and we started talking to all of the other people that were there and we started looking at what they had and like what they were giving away and then other people came and they didn't bring anything and they just came and took. And one of the things that I really noticed was everybody was like kind of hanging out and talking and meeting each other. It was a really good community event. It wasn't just taking stuff to Goodwill. And so I was like, wow, instead of Earth Day where we're just getting nonprofits to come and table and everybody's tabling and we're all spread so thin and maybe we do a plant giveaway, maybe a tree giveaway, but like what content is there, right? Oh, we set up a bounce house. Well, what if we really focused on reducing landfill waste through swaps and even repair shops. And the idea came about to host a one day event, maybe at a park, maybe, you know, if there's an indoor space that we can have in case it's hot or clean. or, I mean, sorry, or raining. But the idea is that it's a free resident event where you're not buying anything, you're not selling anything. It's not a garage sale, but it's an opportunity for people to bring things that they don't want anymore that still have good value. Maybe you have an old vacuum cleaner. Maybe you have, you know, whatever. And then whatever is not taken by the end of the day then it is carted away and donated to a thrift store. And so it could be partnered with Goodwill, for example, or Salvation Army, where they take the whatever's left over. That was... you know that that's my latest iteration of an idea i had did have an idea about having like a community-wide garage sale where we actively encourage maybe twice a year um a garage sale where everybody you know uh uh opens it up it's a garage sale day and we promote it and you know everybody can get rid of stuff um but i'm just trying to think about how we divert good material from the landfill just because the owner doesn't want it anymore. So that was my general idea. And I think they're actually going to do it for Earth Day in Miami Beach. So over at what's the fountain? The Normandy Fountain. So they want to do this in Miami Beach, but there's no reason why we couldn't as well because it's designed to be our neighborhood, our communities.

Do you think – so let's just say for, like, bigger items, because I feel like that would be, like, the stars of the show. So let's just say people can't bring it over. Do people just take pictures and, like, printouts and, like, kind of offer it? Like, how does it usually go down when people bring stuff? Is it more of – I mean, it wasn't –

you set the guidelines about what you're actually swapping, you know, what you bring, the quantity that you bring, and it's really a space constraint. You know, maybe you could have a picture and you can like, hey, if anybody wants it, you know, there's also in other communities, there are days, there are days when people, you know, put furniture and stuff like that that's still good, they put it out on the curb. And then like maybe on, you know, Friday, they put it out on the curb and then come Monday, you know, the city comes and they then do a bulk waste collection. So like you can say, hey, anybody wants this? I'm just putting it outside. It's free, right? Somebody wants a dresser, have at it. Somebody wants, you know, and if nobody wants it, fine, then that's trash. And the city comes, picks it up. as a bulk waste. So I don't really know. It's not a specific proposal and an idea. It's more like an idea and a concept. And I think if we wanted to do this, the most effective way is to hire Susan from the Things Lab to do this. And I actually don't think it's all that expensive. You know, especially compared to when we do a Halloween party and we put a bounce house out for the kids and, you know, then we bring in the food and we bring in all of the entertainment and stuff like that. So I think that, you know, if this costs $2,500, I would think that that is on the high end. Um, but I don't really know a price yet.

Okay. Let's, um, I mean, why might as well just ask Susan what the price would be and more than likely it would be sponsored by like, you know, a council member and.

Well, I mean, I asked her, I asked her about this and she's, she's, she's had this down until, until another project. And so, I don't know that she's necessarily eager to start developing this, but I think we have to have the concept about what we would want and where we might have it and when we might have it. And if we want to do this, if we think it's a good idea, then we can approach and say, okay, how do we actually execute on this and put staff in touch with Susan. I mean, do people like this idea? Is it a mediocre idea? Is it a stellar idea? Is it a bad idea? What does everybody think?

I'm trying to think of a location of where it would happen. I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is maybe Vogel Park, but then... Then we're dealing with a lot of people that are in apartment buildings and then taking down stuff might be a little difficult for them. And then an area where the single family homes are, where we might get more bulk or bigger items. I can't think of anywhere on treasure Island that would be available for us to use the space to use unless I'm not recalling a site right now. Um,

Can I say something?

Of course. I think if that's something we were to do, it would be good to have support of someone from commission. And also, this would be our first trial, so we should get if we move forward, we should be as organized as possible for it and maybe limit the type of products that we want people to bring. Because we have to think about logistics if somebody leaves behind bulk items, because now we need to work with public works to pick it up. And then it's on the weekend, do they have the truck that day? So we may want to just tailor it I think I can definitely speak to our new community engagement director, Lily, because a lot of these things will require support from her and the Islander newsletter. So just to see, would all these things be on one day, for example, the Hazardous waste in the garage, the spring cleaning.

No, it doesn't have to be. Yeah, no, they don't have to be. These are just like in general, like ideas and they can totally be on a different day. They should be on a different day probably because then you're just overtaxing everybody.

Yeah.

And you do bring up a really good point about limiting the items. Like the thing swap, there was no clothing.

At least for the first one.

Yeah, it was very specific, like no clothing, right? And it's like, it was really more like household items. So if you had a coffee pot or an espresso maker that you don't use, that you wanted to get rid of.

But then that's heavier to get rid of. And if we do have to give it away. No, no, no.

Oh, sorry. Part of the service at the end, Like this is why you hire somebody like, like, like they, they also have a truck that they are hauling it all away at the end. Right. It is, it is just as we would have a special event at Vogel park where we are paying the coordinator, the party planner, so to speak, to come set up and tear down and make sure that the places is, is, is left lickety split. It needs to be turnkey. Otherwise this is why we don't just try to organize it ourselves.

Well, it could be all hazardous waste. I mean, not hazardous waste, but all electronics. That way, if nobody wants it, there could be a hazardous waste truck to take it away. You know, just an idea.

The hazardous waste, they have trucks. that for electronics waste and hazards, they bring in a big rig and they haul everything away. There's nothing left after they're done.

Yeah, I've done a few fairs for North Miami. So I have an idea of the pricing. So I'm just wondering about the budget. But no, it's a good, we're two months out, you know, because January is over. Yeah. We have to start thinking about it seriously.

Dave, is the next two items for B and for C years as well? The discussion on hosting electronics hazardous waste drop-off event and discussion on establishing composting hub service?

Yeah, probably. I know 4A was and 4B, maybe I imagine I also talk about composting in the same breath because now composting is legal. In Miami-Dade County, they formally legalized it. If you can believe it wasn't legal to do composting large-scale composting in South Florida or in Miami. There are different models of compost services. You have compost for life, which comes and does door to door pickup, and then they swap your buckets out. And so it's very easy for you to do, and you don't have to take it anywhere. And they also do that for restaurants and commercial. Then you have Fertile Earth, which is also operating, but they are operating on a community drop model. And they're just taking over the Miami Beach compost hub in North Beach, and I think they set up one on 41st Street in Pine Tree Park. And so there's also one by the Botanical Gardens. I don't know if that's gonna still be active or what. I just don't know. But they're relatively well utilized. But people in a condo, it's easy for them because they can just walk it down. The problem that we will have just like everybody else is where do we put the compost stations, right? Do we put them at the park? Do we put them... you know, it's all sealed. So we're not really, we don't have to worry about smells or, you know, critters. Um, especially if you make, especially if you make it, uh, only, um, uh, you know, no meat or dairy. Uh, but I think that now that it is legal and I've been composting with compost for life for over a year and it's like the easiest thing. And my, my trash is basically like, uh, third of a bag a week so between composting and you know recycling and reduction we don't generate a lot of waste and that's i would love to be on the composting bandwagon here in north bay village and figure out how we make that available whether we negotiate if we want if we don't want to do the community drops then then we want home pickup maybe we can work out a deal with um you know, we can work out some kind of program with Compost for Life where, you know, everybody who applies gets a free two months, you know, composting service or something like that. And then after that they pay or whatever. The whole context of all of this, though, really was stemming from last week's solid waste conversation where they were talking about landfill and they were talking about recycling. And that's all they were talking about. And it is my belief and my perception that we need to be looking more holistically at waste, because if we lock ourselves into a contract for recycling and landfill, then we're agreeing to volumes of waste. We are agreeing to certain constraints. But if we did something on yard waste, for example, and we did something on composting, that would change the whole dynamics of the contract that we're looking to do.

If there's a community one, like at other, what was the one that does the community pickups?

That is Fertile Earth.

Fertile earth. What sites do they usually have the compost, um, drop off site?

Right now they're doing the one on, I think it's like 81st or 83rd in Miami beach. And they also stood one up at the, at pine tree park on, um, in the community garden area.

Okay.

It's probably, they're probably doing like three roll away carts.

I'm trying to think of like sites. I'm thinking like a dog park would be a good site where people wouldn't complain at all whatsoever about it. And then the newly acquired property where we had a discussion on doing like a Zen park where they're going to put a water pump station at the end of, was it West Treasure Drive? That corner lot. So that could be two locations, one on Treasure Island and then one on Harbor Island. I can't think of anywhere to put it in North Bay Island. But I think those two I think would be decent areas where we wouldn't get a lot of complaints because I think there is still like a stigma of compost of it smelling bad. But I really like the idea of composting. And then the reason why I skipped, not skipped, but I like pushed to 4B and 4C or asked about it was maybe putting together the hosting electronics and hazardous waste drop-off event with the no-sale spring cleaning giveaway. Just to have a lot of turnout and people bringing out everything like all at once, maybe.

You could, but the hazardous waste and electronics drop-off is kind of like a drive-through.

Okay.

Versus a community swap where it is, where you kind of want, it's a little bit of a party. You know, not a party, but it's a little bit of a hangout and meet your neighbors kind of thing.

Yeah, it's like a powwow. Yeah, like burger.

So it may or may not be conducive to have them on the same day. I'm not necessarily saying that's a good idea or a bad idea, but it might be too much. Okay. And maybe you did one on Saturday and then one on Sunday, or you do them at different times. But, you know, keying in around Earth Day, you know, every year we'll talk about, okay, what are we going to do for Earth Day? Right? And so this is kind of an idea that we might, this is where this kind of came from. It's like, I'm starting to get phone calls about like, Earth Day, what do you got? You guys want a table? I'm like, no.

What was them last year?

Was it Scoop the Poop was like kind of, The Rachel's event where it's pick up after your dog's poop, scoop the poop event. I think that is close to Earth Day. And I think that is usually the big event around it because it's keeping our bay clean. I don't know if we did anything specifically for Earth Day. We usually do cleanups. Rachel and I were talking about doing a cleanup. A paddle event cleanup. We already have MJ from Clean This Beach Up, who is interested as well. Dave, I know you also said last meeting to communicate that you were interested in hosting or co-hosting it as well. So we have more than enough help to host a cleanup as well, and maybe something a little bit more different rather than cleaning up the causeway, which we usually do. But In all, we get a great turnout, but it's very dangerous. And also, I don't know, it just doesn't seem very North Bay village-y, because that's managed under FDOT and it's not in our community, but doing something on the water that surrounds our community, I feel like is a little bit more inspiring. Personally, that's just my opinion. And it'd be nice to do something different. So Rachel's in communication with MJ. Dave, I could put you in that conversation too, if you still are interested in co-hosting or if you want MJ to take over.

Look, if you're talking to MJ and she wants to do a cleanup here, great. No problem. I love MJ. Whatever you want to do.

Okay. I'm waiting for, I know Rachel's been a little bit busy. So I'll follow up on that and then I'll give you an update. But does anybody else recall what we did for Earth Day last year? I think it was Rachel's Scoop the Poop event. Neil, Brenda, anybody? No?

It was.

Okay. So that was it. For the composting hub, Dave, do you have any recommendations of how we should start?

No, I mean, you know, it first starts with, like, you know, feedback from you guys if you like the idea, if you think it's a good idea. If you think it's a good idea and, you know, usually we have the mayor here who's like, okay, that's either going to work or it's not going to work, and we get feedback. You know, we kind of almost get immediate, you know, feedback and then, you know, direction. So... I don't even know if we have quorum here.

Yeah, we do.

Do we? So, you know, I don't know. It's, you know, I would make a motion to have... You know, I would make a motion to... You know, to have... I would make a motion to have...

make a proposal on this of where we would like to maybe partner with like you said with the two months for free i would like i would like i would like to hear yeah i'm sorry go ahead i'm sorry like two different proposals on um two different programs that we would like to participate in for getting composting to north bay village you know like um like having one site like over at The dog park, I think, would be really nice. And then in the near future, when we do have the park, I don't see why we can't bring a site there as well for composting for a community pickup. I do think... having a set location would really engage residents more. And I think also doing the two-month free program, I think both would be great to get residents to participate. Yeah, I mean, I'm like a nice like way for people to engage. I'm very pro on that.

What is the end result? Excuse me. What is the end result of your composted materials and who is utilizing them?

Uh, well, it becomes compost, uh, which can be used in a variety of things. I know my compost, um, I get a bag of compost for free every six months that I can use, um, for my garden, my plants, whatever. Um, that material could come back to the village for our you know for an individual um you know to plant flowers in their own home uh spread on their garden you know spread on their lawn because it's very nutrient rich it's better than fertilizer um you could uh you know give it to the city to the village um when they are doing their planting you know they can add some of this. When they dig the hole, they can add some of the compost and then plant the thing. Otherwise, they'll sell it.

Yeah, I think that's something I should probably talk to Stephen about feasibility and possible sites and cost. I'll look into it.

Thank you, Christina. If you'd like to talk with either Fertile Earth or Compost for Life, maybe this is just going to take a little bit of gut feeling from the commissioners about what their... Look, everybody has a different idea of what this village is going to become and the look that they want for it. And so maybe the idea of putting compost hubs is... is not doesn't align with that and maybe somebody has an idea like oh no no no we really we really should encourage it people just doing it on their own at their own homes and then just having somebody come picking it all up i don't really know and so maybe we want to have some input from from the commissioners about what they find palatable or attractive for them and so maybe it is sorry god no i was gonna say in the amount of nutrients we want to

keep on the island so that it doesn't leach in the bay? Because it's rich. We have a period that we're not supposed to fertilize. So how does that conflict with the Miami-Dade County fertilizer ordinance?

Well, the good news is they're not composting on site. They come pick up the material and then they take it off to farmland where they turn it into agriculture.

True, but it comes back. So that means when you get your bag back, it doesn't have to?

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It doesn't have to. As a perk of having the service, they say that I'm entitled to a free bag of compost every six months. They would much rather sell it to a farm and let them spread it out instead of fertilizer, right? But I am paying for the service. I pay $24 a month for biweekly pickups. So they come pick up my bucket once a week and they swap it out. It's not very expensive. Sorry?

That's a good phrase.

And so as a perk, they say, oh, we'll even give you some compost when we're done. But we don't have to do that. That's just some people will want it. And if some people want it, maybe they want it just for their plants or for their garden.

Do they do it for any apartment buildings?

I live in an apartment building. Yeah, they can do the entire – if you're in a condo or an apartment building, yes, you can get a service with one of the 96-gallon totes.

OK, and then what about like maybe like a community drop off, like at the base of like the building for people? Have they done anything like that or offer anything like that?

Well, they have different sizes. They have different sizes and pickup frequencies. So they have a five gallon bucket with a lid, which is what I have because we're a family of two. And then they have then they then they can do weekly pickup. I do a bi-weekly pickup. So they could, and that would be good for like a family of four. Or they have roll-away carts, which are good for multifamily or commercial enterprises. So.

Again, this is, I'm just going to throw this out there and like an ambition for like new developments. Cause you see like the one hotel you see the thing in it, like there is luxury behind sustainability now. Like it is like, Let's just call it like a little bit sexy or trendy. And I don't see why, you know, like introducing this to new or new developments of offering this, but again, it's just framing it in a way where like, it makes sense, you know, like it's not. smelly it's not dirty like and they could use the compost that they create like a nice little marketing idea to fertilize the plants that they're gonna be having on site because what I've seen is they're gonna have a lot of beautiful plants I don't know again just throwing it out there as an idea like I think that would be really cool to have for luxury buildings and you see it happening with luxury buildings that champion sustainability so if we could just maybe recommend that to Commission too, if they want to offer that too, or introduce that to developers as another initiative.

Well, there is the capitalist business model, which is they should develop a sales force. And if they can get into the community composting here, whether it is a pickup service or whatever, they can go sell it. I'm not actually looking necessarily for the village to pay for it necessarily. I'm looking to see how we can facilitate accelerating composting.

Yeah, same here. And that's what I'm just saying is like, I don't know, just trying to preach this as much as we can to get... new developments like on board, because they're spending a lot of money on this. And they're setting the concept and the precedent of like, what the community is going to be about. And you see, like with related group, like I've seen interviews where they like to be how they say symbiotic with the relief with the environments. That's how they do design. That's how they do planning, you know, verbatim from them. So

At the end of the day, the thing that's going to stop composting from happening at venues like that is if they don't have the space allocated for it. It's the same thing with recycling. If they don't build in a nice recycling area, if they don't do dual shoot recycling on a 40-story building, then it's not going to happen. It needs to be easy and needs to be accessible, and they need to build it into the design. Otherwise, it just doesn't happen.

Have you guys ever had IFAS host any classes? Because we could also do like a compost class from them just to see how the community feels. So not just for new development, but the existing community. They do free courses on different topics. I believe they have a compost as one as well.

Yeah. I mean, I know that they, I know that there are, um, yeah, I mean, I think the first, I think the, yes, we definitely, but I think the first step would really be to figure out what, what, what, what we want. And then part of that becomes, how do we then engage the community? How do we talk to them about composting and, um, you know, what is the value of it? So I think that would probably be definitely, I think that would definitely need to be part of the program. I think it's a good point.

Yeah.

Do you want to make a motion to start on a proposal for this? And then, you know, just like a quick little... Sure.

I would like to make a motion to... Uh, have someone from the village start conversations around establishing a composting hub slash service, uh, um, consider or evaluating whether having an electronics and hazardous waste drop off event and have a, you know, community swap slash garage, no sale. don't know um you know whether they make sense or i would like for the village to explore here i'm going to rephrase that i would like i would like to make motion that the village explore waste diversion programs for hazardous waste and electronics by hosting a drop-off event divert, you know, food waste by establishing composting and repurposing of household goods through a garage no-sale or a spring cleaning giveaway.

Very well put. I second that motion.

Did somebody write that down?

Did I just add... that North Bay Village already, excuse me, North Bay Village already has a sell, swap, giveaway free website um because i've seen it on facebook where people say i have furniture and they say go to the website i don't know the particulars of that website i probably would need to get that information from the village um i do know that people have already in fact i posted last week on the north bay village website i had four i had five actually um well-made wooden stools, and I said they're for free giveaway. I had several responses almost immediately, and I gave them away within two days. So I have seen people advertise on the North Bay Village Residence site, but I think maybe if we get more hard information on the cell swap giveaway website, Maybe we could promote that more when they do the newsletters on Fridays to the community or whatever. In other words, I just think the mechanism is already in place. It just maybe needs to be publicized more. You could still have your once a year or whatever swap meet. But I'm just saying that it's already in place in the village. So maybe it just needs to be brought out more. Because I said, I don't even know the particulars, except that I do see that.

So it's a great point, Neil, what you're really talking about, um, I believe is the buy nothing group. Right. Um, and that is a, it's a, just a community, uh, hub for people who are, we want to give away stuff. Um, I, I participated in it through the face, through, uh, the Facebook groups, although I don't really go on it, uh, much anymore. Cause I don't do social media too much, uh, destroys my brain. Um, and, But in Miami Beach, it's incredibly active. And we gave away stuff all the time. So I do like the Buy Nothing group because it is ongoing. It's not once a year. It's not, let me wait for six months and then go through my spring cleaning. It's hitting people when they are doing their own cleaning. And so that's a really good idea to maybe promote the Buy Nothing Group. It's not even a nonprofit, I don't think. It's just this concept that spun up and it started up. And so maybe just promoting that as an opportunity for people to find stuff, a new home, maybe get something from a neighbor that they might be looking for. So yeah, that's a good idea. How are we thinking about moving forward on this? Is this something that we wanna organize an event and we wanna be a center hub, or do we just wanna promote the things that already exist so that we're not really having to do a lot of work, we're just promoting it?

Yeah, I think to bring, you know, I can inquire, because like I said, I don't even know, except I did see the, like you said, Buy Nothing. I just happened to post it on the North Bay Village site, but I think it's more appropriate. So I'm going to reach out and see if I can find exactly, you know, where it's organized. Is it North Bay Village or beyond? and see if I get particulars on that because I'm kind of naive at what it actually is.

Well, so your answer, Neil, is that it is a hyperlocal group that is by nothing north bay village okay they have a by nothing south beach they have a by nothing north beach and it's intended to be neighborhoods and so if you live in coral gables you cannot join the north beach the the north beach by nothing group you are supposed to be a resident in in the group that you live it's designed to build community So it's the Buy Nothing North Bay Village group. I know all about it. They have a website and a Facebook group. So right here, this is the Buy Nothing group. And this person is giving away the reusable coffee pods for a Keurig. And, you know, it's just something that's really useful and they're, but you know, you don't want to throw it away, but you want to find it.

Online events. Like if we do have it in person, then we can also kind of promote it being like an online event too, for people that cannot attend and people can participate online as well. Just post pictures and just like kind of have a very high active day.

Yeah, I just think it's to bring it out to more people, to let them know that it exists, rather than like we've seen in the past where people just, unfortunately on Treasure Island and some of the on South Coast. Avenue, Treasure Drive. We used to have the problem of people dumping all that furniture and stuff out at the curb. Because I think a lot of people just don't know that there is this group. So I don't know if it behooves us to maybe somehow bring that out, whether it's through the theater to promote it.

more people aware i just feel there's no sense to have a

Maybe we get more people into going through that format rather than like me or I've seen other people. I have moving boxes. I have babies clothes. You know, we see those weekly on our website. If we could focus everybody into that already established by nothing group and maybe start getting more, you know, recognition and use.

And by the way, Neil, that is not set up. The village has nothing to do with the Buy Nothing Group North Bay Village. That is actually started by somebody in the community. So if I look, you know, maybe your angle is to, if we can figure out who is... You know, let's see, you know, if we can find out who actually owns it, who's the group admin?

That's what I'm looking for.

Admins monitoring. So does anybody know Sherry Abramson?

Yes, we know her.

Okay. So she is the administrator for the Buy Nothing North Bay Village.

Okay, I can reach out to her. She's pretty vocal. She's educational. She's a proponent on certain things.

She's on one of the boards.

Say again?

She's on one of the boards.

Yeah, she's on, I forget which one.

I think it's Planning and Zoning or the Resident Services.

No, she's on Planning and Zoning. She's a big advocate when she's very involved with or without the community center and very vocal. I can reach out to her.

Yeah, I mean, maybe float any of these ideas with her. If she's into this idea, maybe there's opportunities. And so maybe I just need to amend my motion to... you know, have this city explore diversion, which could, you know, of electronics, hazardous waste, compost, and, you know, useful items, whether through hosting events, you know, or supporting existing organizations and really just helping to facilitate the community building.

Yeah.

Okay. You know, maybe the idea is that, you know, the mayors and the commissioners have an idea. They're like, oh, I really like this one. Christina, go do it. You know, go make that happen. You know, or, hey, let's get the community liaison involved. Because we do want to have community events and maybe this is an idea that they want to do as opposed to a bounce house event. Maybe they want to add this into the repertoire. Maybe the communications team wants to implement the buy nothing group. I think the general purpose is we have to start thinking broader about how we deal with the stuff we don't want anymore. Yep.

I think this would be good to have a discussion with Resident Services Advisory Board, too. I think this is up their lane as well.

Yeah.

So you speak to one of the members on there, and maybe provide, you know, what we discussed to them as well. But yeah, I mean, if you want to amend that motion into like, two different ones now or Do we just make the motion for coming up with a proposal for all the items above and having different ideas and different avenues of reaching out to the community or hosting community events?

All right. I would like for this to be a village-led initiative that, you know, the village is thinking about this kind of stuff because it's all part of our broader waste project. management strategies and we could sit here and talk about it, but you know, ultimately whatever the, you know, whatever the commission wants, whatever the mayor wants is, is, is really like those voices need to be, need to be as part of this conversation. I don't want to drive it one way or another.

Okay. So then we just make like a proposal of everything like discussed and then presented to the commission. And then, you know, they kind of take the lead on what direction they want to go in based on our, um, insight. Would that be?

Yeah, I don't want to build a proposal, though. Oh. I don't know. This is what happens at 7.30 at night. For meeting minutes, I'm going to do this.

For meeting minutes... I'm just going to kind of organize, you know, what was discussed and then we can just push it to commission so they can read it over and then they could kind of give us like a directive of what they think would be good for the, or how they would like to move forward. Does that sound?

Great. Simple. Okay. I like simple.

Awesome. 4D.

I've been working since 7 this morning, so 12-hour days, I'm saying no to a lot of stuff now.

And you gave us up until 8 o'clock, so we're aiming for that too. 4D. Presentation on stormwater parks for future law development.

Well, that's me. I'm going to share my slides.

Yay.

Let's see. How many... Can you guys see my slide?

Yep. No, I see your desktop.

Okay.

Let's do this again.

Now I see you. There we go.

I always have a tendency of showing the wrong part of the slideshow. So can you see just my presentation?

Yes. North Bay Village Future Stormwater Park.

Yes.

I'm already super excited by the title.

So as promised, I just want to explore some stormwater parks that already exist. So we have some ideas of what we're doing for that lot that we're getting from Sunbeam. So let's see. So just to go, why do we want stormwater parks? I know you guys are a very knowledgeable task force, and you guys know this already, but stormwater parks, they are recreational spaces. They help with flooding during extreme events. So they treat floodwaters, and they also can help reduce flooding. not just reduce flooding, but help improve water quality, which is very useful since we're on Biscayne Bay. So they can also help improve public health. They create green spaces for recreation. I have something in there. This is actually from FEMA, this little shot and these bullets where it says, I know we don't like to hear the word environmental justice or equity, But I think on these islands, it works in the sense that everybody has equitable access to the view and this park will create this. And I think this is an opportunity for us to really come together as a community by building this park and getting all the different departments in the city to work on this. So some typical things that you'll see in a stormwater park, you know, planter boxes, permeable pavement, bite retention areas, et cetera. So I'm just going to give you some examples. I'm just going to start with one from an international one. This is Cloudburst Boulevard in Copenhagen. And so this is an example of using public infrastructure to channel stormwater. And this is designed to safely channel stormwater away from the buildings during extreme rain events. but I'm gonna bring it back to local regional examples. We have McCoy's Creek in Jacksonville, Florida. So this was a creek, an area that was flooding for decades. And when it floods, it cut off neighborhoods, it damaged homes. But in 2018, Jacksonville restored a creek using nature-based solutions. This is a much bigger project. They removed 150 properties from the flood zone, rebuilt the wetlands, created parks for the family. There's an observation platform. So today the flooding is virtually gone. Water quality is better. They remove 780 pounds of nitrogen per year in that area. And wildlife is coming back, fish, manatees. So this is part of a trail. This was funded by NOAA. They actually claim that this helps manage 10-year storms. And we'll move on to, so this is another depiction of this park. So if you could see, I wanted you to see an actual picture as well. So this project proved its worth during Tropical Storm Debbie because restored sections prevent flooding. There used to be a routine in that area. Okay, we'll go a little closer, but west, Tampa. So this is El Prado Stormwater Park in Tampa, actually a garden. So this is a smaller project. Before we had 150 properties, this is just two residential lots that were made into gardens. stormwater, a stormwater garden. So previously it had two homes built below FEMA flood levels that were constantly flooding and the city purchased a lot and transformed them into a stormwater garden. So the design is a depressed basin planted with native species, such as Cypress. Cypress is very good at absorbing water and other native species like sable palms. So it captures the first flush of stormwater, which is the dirtiest flush, which is really useful for keeping Tampa Bay clean. So this is inspirational for us. So it was completed for quite a bit amount. It was $800,000, part of a larger $11 million funding. And another depiction of this park, just so you could see it, you could see the depressed basin, the outflow, the infiltration. So we will go to Brittany Bay Park. I don't know if you have ever been to Brittany Bay Park in Miami Beach. I actually took the team when I first started here for inspiration. It really shows how nature-based solutions can deliver multiple benefits. So there's a hybrid design. There's a living shoreline, but they also have pieces of the old seawall in there. So the living shoreline is composed of mangroves. There's also a sit wall, which I think is really cool. It's part of the seawall, so you can actually sit on the wall. And then, so this is a great, because it has a lot of trees, so it helps reduce urban heat. It improves water quality in Biscayne Bay. When I went there, the water was extremely clear. Maybe it was my timing. And you could see fish. It was pretty wonderful. They removed invasive species when they did this park. So the park now supports wildlife and strengthens the neighborhood, makes it more resilient. And this was done with a partnership with the Nature Conservancy and FP&L. So, um, just another example, you can see people sitting on the sit wall, the outlook. I highly recommend it. You go, if you haven't been yet, parking is awful. Um, and then. This may be my last one. The Good Neighbors Stormwater Park in North Miami, Florida. So this is just one site, kind of like our lot, that was repurposed into a stormwater park. So this is even more relevant. So this was a repetitive loss site that the city purchased. But now this site holds four times more water than before. Just like the other parks, there's a depressed section where water fills in. It has native plants, walking paths, a lot of signage, and it provides green space in an underserved neighborhood. I have been there a few times. I've actually done cleanups there because the invasives from the other properties have, you know, kind of created some issue over there. But every time I go, there's always someone there. So, you know, it's usually a teenager. And I have a teenager, and I know sometimes they need to leave the house and get away from us. So it really does serve the community. It was funded by BP, the Van Allen Institute. Yeah, I really recommend if you're ever in that area as well, because I think this is much more relevant to our site to go visit it. This is just another example of it. So you could see how fully grown it is. If you saw like the picture of the El Prado stormwater garden, that's how it started. And this is how it's now. Very, very lush. So this is a short presentation. So to finish off, this is the property. This is what we have. We do have a lot of work to do with this. You know, we have to confirm that we've got the deed, we've got the name of the park. I'm sure you guys have some ideas. I know the mayor has some ideas for the name. We have to incorporate different concepts, you know, design, construction, timeline, but the benefits will be wonderful. Access to the view, more places, more parks in the city. We don't have a lot of parks. But more importantly, I think, not more importantly, but as equally important is we actually needed an outfall to update, to change the conveyance, the stormwater conveyance in Treasure Island. So this was exactly what we needed. Um, so I've told you about the other parks. We can incorporate some concepts. Um, like this, are we going to do the sit wall? Are we going to maybe reuse, uh, some of the designs we already came up with? Like the, the dog park, is this going to be a dark park? Um, in the corner top right this is actually a stormwater park in Singapore where they have a medicinal garden you mentioned the zen garden before so are we going to have some elements of that it's a small property but we have loft eagles right I love how in Sunset Harbor Miami Beach they have this art grill around the pump station are we going to incorporate some of that as well are we going to make it more hours you know So these are some concepts we have to deal with. Let me know if you have any questions. I kind of, you know, played a little bit with AI to create a little version of this. Yeah, so that's it.

I love all the examples that you gave. The overall idea. With any of the sites, are any of them near... like bay water or is it more near canals? The only thing I'm trying to think of when we do like plan on plants is the amount of saltwater that we get from the king tides.

Yeah, no, I don't think so. Okay.

Yeah.

Well, Brittany, Brittany Bay or Brittany Park in Miami Beach.

Oh, you're right.

Is, I mean, it's technically on the Bay. I mean, it's, you can call it canal, but it's affected. It's affected by the, by the King tides, but it's designed to, that in such a way that what's at the shore is mangrove. So it's actually a living shoreline. And so it is bringing back mangroves in a planter box very specifically to have the water coming onto this area. But then further back inland, upland, they have a seawall. And that's what Christina was talking about that you can actually sit on. Because it's like a seawall that is, you know, maybe, you know, 10 feet in. So it almost slopes into the actual park part of it.

You know if we're going to be raising the property at all? Elevating it?

Well, that's going to be part of the design. Okay.

The property is going away.

Yeah, I mean, it would make more sense for us to make some sort of depressed so that water from the neighborhood goes into the site because that's usually the best practice. We don't want to raise it. We actually want to welcome extra water.

But you want the extra water to be the stormwater that lands on the street so that instead of us having to pump it out, we have a storage mechanism in that. So that park itself would actually flood by design.

It would flood, yes, but it also would have a pump station.

That area floods heavy now. I mean, every time we've had a heavy event, ask the mayor. She can use a rowboat to come out her front door. That's the reason that pump station is going there. That whole corner of West Treasure and North Treasure just is a pond. It floods out. So I don't think you have to worry about directing water there. Well, that's a very low point in the island. That's one of the major collection points.

Yeah, and remember, the purpose of this is to actually create a place for the stormwater to go because you want the park to flood.

It's already there, Dave. That's what I'm saying. I think, Alicia, you would know because you live up the street from there. That area, when we have heavy king tides and rain, That's underwater. There's a foot of water that sits in the whole corner of those two streets intersecting. So it's not like you have to attract water there. That's why they're putting a pump station there to alleviate the nightmare that happens there every time there's heavy rain events.

That's very good to know.

You just have to see it during, you know, historically, you'll have to see it or speak to the mayor. We have video and pictures of when that's sitting there with it looks like a pond. It's got tons of water in it.

Well, you know, Neil, also remember that the idea of this. And like what they just did in Bayshore Park in Miami Beach, they created a stormwater retention pond.

But they want to get rid of the water. It's in the street. They don't want to create anything. They're trying to alleviate. That's why the pump station is going there. Correct.

I think when we do... get to the design point, we'll probably be working with our consultants and analyzing different scenarios. But that's definitely something we'll keep in consideration. I mean, we already know Treasure Island floods

Also, Christina, you may want to pull out the conceptual from the architect on what the civic park was supposed to be, because this committee, our task force, designed major elements in there. in terms of grid systems that can be planted with dirt and grow grass and things like that and it incorporated into the bioswales so a lot of the things that the civic park was supposed to have are now kind of on the back burner because that's where the other um pump station is going to go it's going to impact that park but if you look at the plans you'll see we've already um identified and the vendors or whatever the designers are already noted in the plans that could be used in a new park also. It's not like recreating the wheel again.

Yeah, that's very true with the spills especially. And then another question I have is like containing the water on that property. So it doesn't flood neighboring properties. Like maybe, I don't know if like a swale bordering a property would make the most sense or would it be, you know, like a wall? Because there is high flooding, like very, very high flooding. And if we create a basin or just like, you know, we would call it a basin or a retention pond. I could see that flooding very fast. So-

It's still very early to talk about design, but we can definitely talk about what we want to do and what we want to not see on the property.

I really like the idea of the retention pond and then having a path around it just being a zen garden, you know, not being too much or too extra or having it being like a dog park that might even be like a hazard if we're also going to be having water populate there. So I really like that idea of just having a path around it and then vegetation grow. And it's just a nice, beautiful area where people can go and appreciate the view. And I don't think there has to be like so much of a functionality to it rather than just capitalizing on what's already offered there. And that's a beautiful view.

Correct. It's a passive use.

So Dave.

Yeah, Christina, the project manager for the Miami Beach, I'll send you her contact information. Have you met Collette Satchel? She's a senior project manager over at Miami Beach Capital Improvements.

I have not.

Okay, I'm going to send your contact information. She was actually the project manager for Brittany Park and Maurice Gibb Park in the Living Shorelines. And so maybe she would like to... come take a peek at the space or she can show you around what she did and you can talk about some of the designs that they've implemented, some of the lessons that they've learned. She's super sweet. I'm sure she would love to show off her project, but I'll send you her contact information. Because she was the one who actually designed, well, I don't think she designed it, but she was involved in the design and an actual build out of it. And so she could be a very valuable resource possibly.

No, yes, please. I actually did a tour with, but it was with the resilience office. So this is more like, it's not the same. Yeah. It's not the project management. Um, but I did ask for some contacts. Uh, so that would be welcome.

Yeah. Call it, call it, call it. It's the one, um, her boss, David Martinez is, is, is head of capital improvement and they've, they've really gotten into this stuff because they recognize that, um, if they don't want to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars trying to clean water, that retention is really the easiest and least expensive way to get water off the streets and direct it into storage. The second thing I would recommend, Christina, is these things called tree cells.

Yeah.

You're familiar with them?

Yeah.

Okay. For the rest of everybody else, basically what they are is they are structures designed to allow the roots to really grow without being compressed. And so it allows the trees to thrive, but also allows water to go down so that the trees can absorb the water.

So the container is buried with the trees in it?

It's not a container like a pot. It is more like a support structure of the street that prevents the weight of a car or the compacting, which ends up killing trees or stunting their growth. But it acts to allow, as part of a pervious surface, or directing stormwater from the street into these tree cells so that it can better retain water. So it's really just like a frame. If you think of like a frame for, let me see if I can even find one.

And if I can just add to that, because some cities have, you know, made this mandatory. So this is really good for an area where you don't have a lot of soil or you have a lot of concrete. So it kind of contains the root and allows the tree to thrive because then the tree wouldn't have any space to live if you didn't have the tree cells. So it's really good in Pompano for places where you don't have a lot of area to plant. So all the roots are basically hiding underground and the tree just pops up.

I can actually show you a little bit. This is a variation of the concept. Imagine this. So this is a soil cell, which is designed very specifically to create underwater storage, underground storage. So instead of packing it tight with dirt and compressing it, you're actually creating a channel underneath where the stormwater can go in and then it sits underground as it percolates down the tree cell is similar in that you do put some soil into it but it creates those gaps where it's not like super compact where the tree roots would not be able to expand yeah so if you haven't responded to the trees but you're concerned about the trees roots hitting the foundation

This would be a solution, for example.

Like under a bonsai. This is so cool.

This is one. But, oh, a silva cell. You basically plant the tree in it, right? Surrounded by frames. And so I guess what they're showing here is this section here is where you would plant the tree.

Mm-hmm.

And when I was talking about these different techniques, these different technologies, this is the way in which we avoid having to pump water out to the bay. But it's a very different way of thinking about how we live with water. Um, and if we can just put it, if we raised road, like in Miami beach, they raised the roads two feet, but that would have been two feet of water storage. And that would have been a whole lot less water that we would have needed to pump, uh, pump out to the bay. So I would love for us to be exploring these type of concepts. Um, Christina, have you met, um, uh, have you met, uh, Jessica Brusco with Ferguson. They are a distributor of a wide variety of these type of technologies and permeable payments.

Yeah, I think I have her card.

She you know, has a wide variety of different options that are very clever and, you know, might be worth a conversation and maybe even a presentation to this board about some of the innovations that other cities are doing. I like what you're doing, Christina. You're looking at models of things that other people have already done. right we don't need to we're not we don't need to start from zero we need to start from a different mindset and then look and see what other folks have done and that's what you're doing and i really appreciate that cleverness that creativity about thinking about how we can do something in 2025 ways not 1960 ways

Yeah. The silver cells will be great here in Treasure Island. You have these tiny little bulb outs. But anyhow, I'm sure we'll get there soon.

Okay. Well, I'll provide you Jessica's contact information already as well as Colette's. I'll send you an email with both those information.

Sounds good.

Awesome. Great. What else do we have, Madam Chair?

That's about it. Any public comments? Any staff commission liaison updates? We are missing Madam Mayor. I don't think we have anybody else. Christine, do you have any updates for us? Or I think... All right, good. I really want to continue on this project. And that what you just showed us, Dave, was amazing. Christina, thank you again. My pleasure. Would anybody like...

um kind of a presentation on some of these you know just a a litany of you know of different technologies that exist not maybe a specific manufacturer but like you know permeable payment uh and then the next you know the next slide would be the silva cells the next slide would be you know water channels the next slide could be the jellyfish like Would we like to hear all of the variety of new technologies that are improving water quality for a future meeting?

I would like that list and I can participate in generating that list. I think maybe all of us should participate in making a list, send it in, and then we all put it together of different technologies and more of just like maybe like a punch list of things. And also reviewing what we had, like Neil said, at Civic Park of what was already proposed to us before. I don't know if you were with us, Dave, when we had a consultant basically design a whole entire park for us.

Yeah, that's Patrick Shearer, right?

Yeah, Patrick.

Yeah, I know Patrick going way back.

Yeah, yeah. So we definitely have a park with some very interesting technologies. you know, um, that we could get from there as well. But what was your idea of it? You know, like, again, I know we just want to keep things simple and we just want to make sure that we're getting like, at least.

Well, yeah. I mean, I, I think that like, you know, we can go and explore all this stuff, but like, There's people who dedicate their careers to addressing stormwater pollution, right? There's manufacturers like Emilio and SOP who they have their one product. It's the same thing with reef arches. They have their product that they go and they promote. And then you have these distributors who sell 50 different solutions, right? And so I used to work at one of these distributors when I was in IT security, and they have a broader view of what other communities are successfully doing, what's working, what doesn't work in our geo. And so I might just suggest that I can ask Jessica to put together a list of some of the the technologies that I don't want to call bleeding edge, but, you know, like innovations that are being looked at, that are being implemented in other areas, like the Silva cells, right? As just as an example, they're being used all over. And then maybe we're just kind of spurring this idea of what already exists. But I can just have a professional who, you know, does this every day to put that together for us.

I would love for you to ask of that.

Okay. Would you like it for next meeting? Let me find out from Jessica, if it's something she can do and if so, what her, you know, what her timeline, uh, what her timeline would be.

Awesome. I just really want to keep the momentum that Christina started on this. And I mean, this is a really great opportunity that we have something else that's completely dedicated and We don't want what happened with Civic Park to happen. So let's just keep this going.

It all has to be tied to stormwater.

Yes, sir.

Awesome.

Alrighty. So no public comments. Everything's good to go. Motion to adjourn meeting?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, everyone. Have a nice evening. Bye.