Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

2026, and it's 6PM. This is the meeting of the Paradise Valley Planning Commission. Miss Fulbright, please, call the roll.

Commissioner Rose? Here. Commissioner Nasekez?

Here.

Commissioner Dickman?

Here.

Commissioner Curtis?

Here.

Commissioner Brown?

Here.

Chair Georgios? Here. Thank you, chair. We have a quorum, and I'd like to note that commissioner Covington is absent this evening. Thank you so much.

At various points in time, the planning commission may go into executive session, and we may need to confer with the town attorney for legal advice regarding any of the, listed items on the agenda. This evening, we have an approval of minutes and a study session item relating to the overview of existing general plan. And that is that's really our agenda this evening. I think unless anyone has any objection, we should just go according to the agenda. Hearing none, let's let's move along and, move to the approval or amendment of minutes.

Item 25 dash two eighty five approval of 12/02/2025 planning commission minutes.

So moved.

Thank you. Commissioner Brown?

Just a more point of discussion or a question, I think, clarification.

Second it first.

Well, let's second it first and then move along with

As long as

Thank you, commissioner Nusikis. Okay. Any discussion?

I I just wanted to clarify, page two. There's a reference to the existing law for homes would be allowed to continue with 10 residents. I I don't know why I had 11.

No. It's

it's 10. It's always been 10? Yeah. Yes. Wow.

I have some questions to the minutes. I don't think the minutes correctly reflected that when somebody shows up in a meeting and makes defamatory, intimidating, or other threatening to a sitting member of the committee. Regardless of who they are, they should be ruled out of order. If he

has to sit down, their mic should be muted.

That didn't happen. The second comment I have to the minutes is that individuals who are sitting members of the town council who show up should be very clear that they're there individually themselves, not representing the town council. Because in this case, that was very unclear when council woman Page showed up. So individual members of council after the meeting, I overheard Councilman Pace tell another member of this committee.

I don't think you need to go into what people were saying. Yeah. I mean, that's all hearsay information. Do you have any additional comments?

Well, the minutes don't reflect that. And I I was disparaged, defamed, and intimidated at the last meeting. I I'm offended by that. So that the minutes don't reflect anything that was said like that. And council woman Pey, any individual member of town council does not individually have authority over this committee. The town council as a whole does collectively. So I would ask the future that the chair note in the minutes, if somebody comes from town council, that they're here individually. They And have every right to do so and express their opinion. But they don't have a right to show up and threaten coerce or otherwise make comments to I told you how to vote. That's inappropriate.

Okay. Should we go into executive executive session session and and discuss this? No. No?

No. It's

not on the agenda.

I just want to put people on notice that I'm going to call this out of points of order. And I'm going to ask the chair to support individual members. And should I will treat everybody with respect. Anybody who comes and expresses an opinion, I will always treat them respectfully.

Thank you, commissioner Dickerson.

I expect to be treated similarly respectful.

Yeah. And so I guess keep it on the the narrow focus of the minutes. Are there amendments to the minutes that, to reflect comments that are do you want amendments to and have those brought back? Or are the amendment minutes okay to be approved to

the meeting? Think the minutes should reflect that, councilman Page made defamatory threatening comments to me.

Yeah. I I don't know that we have that we would use those kinds of terms regardless in the minutes just because that would be opinion on the the minute takers.

Well, being called stupid and being called that I didn't understand the general plan directly. When you call somebody stupid, I think that says something. And that's what was said. So you can take that however you wish.

Thank you for your time.

I don't think we should be intimidated. I don't think should be forced into some kind of decision. Nobody should be allowed to do that. And I'm going to call it out in the minutes directly when that happens because I'm not gonna be intimidated.

Thank you. I think I have heard your comments and everyone has the right to vote as they choose right now. There is a motion on

the

table. And, all in favor?

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Nay. Thank you. Motion carries.

I guess I just have another question. Commissioner Rose, you mentioned that something's not on the agenda. Therefore, we can't go into executive session. Is that how it works?

Correct.

Okay. We have a standing item on the agenda that allows you to go into executive session on anything that's on the agenda or if we agenda something specifically for the executive session. But those are the only two opportunities to go in these sessions.

And forgive the question, but given that at the last meeting, Councilman Pace told specifically said in the public forum that I didn't understand the general plan and now we have a tutorial on the general plan. Is that why this is on the agenda?

No. No. I decided that it was gonna be on the agenda. It was it was no one else's decision. We had a moment in time available to go over some items, and there are new people on the council and the commission who didn't have the opportunity to go through the process of studying the general plan.

And so I thought that it was an excellent idea to go through the general plan. It has nothing to do with you, commissioner Dickman. The the idea here is that that the general plan is the strategic plan essentially for the town of Paradise Valley. It establishes the vision, mission, and values of the town, and it is sort of the guiding force of our decision making as we go through and have items presented to us. That was my reason my reasoning behind putting this on agenda.

Of us who were not only

involved in

developing the rewriting and suggesting language, going out in the community and promoting it when it got before the vote of the public.

I understand.

It's disrespectful of time to have a remedial training class on something that we know well. So if we got new people, maybe we should do a training class for new people rather than take up everybody's time on something that is very familiar.

Well, commissioner Dickman, we regularly have trainings for everyone who are who is on the boards and commissions of the of the town. And I think this is just one of those things.

So You understand the sense the sensitivity given the comments that made directly to me at the last meeting. Correct?

Commissioner Dickman, I I have explained how this came on the agenda, and now we will proceed. So the next item is 26 dash zero two five, overview of existing general plan. Mister Michaud, the floor is all yours.

Okay, great. Thank you. So yeah, so this is an overview of the general plan and as the chair mentioned we occasionally go over a lot of various things through training. It is only for information. There are no changes or action to the general plan itself.

That happens every ten years if you look at the whole general plan. And there may be text minutes that applicants bring forward. And of course any detailed information you want to go to actually the general plan itself. You. So again the general plan is a long which has a series of goals and policies and actions. It's not an implementation document. So an implementation document is something to think of our zoning ordinance is that. It's actually code or regulation on the building code is a regulation document. When you look at our general plan we have our planning area. The planning area is the city limits.

We do have two county islands if you will. We have part of the Franciscan renewal Center that's a county island and we have Clearwater Hills up in the corner. So there are state statute requirements that require general plan for all municipalities. So every municipality in Arizona has to adopt a general plan. As I mentioned, they're updated and readopted every ten years.

So our last one was in 2022. We have had six other ones prior to that. And the zoning needs to be consistent with and conform to the general plan. And so that's why when we look at things like the Ascension Lutheran Church we made sure that they had a general plan amendment as well as their rezoning at the same time. So just looking at how our 2022 plan what process happened with that.

There was an information gathering period of about a year from October 2020 to 2021. There was a review of the documents at a staff level. The council approved a public involvement plan and then there were various surveys, workshops, events, meetings with many of you were likely involved in that helped create the draft plan and that sixty day draft plan is what's required in state statute. That draft plan is required to be reviewed and commented on by the residents as well as various agencies and other individuals. Done.

After that was done, we refined the plan which went through our normal sort of process which is the planning commission through work session and then finally recommendation to the council and then on to council for their recommendation and then finally their approval in February 2022 or excuse me, March 2022 and then the general plan has to be ratified by the voters and that was done on August 2022. So we'll probably in another few couple of years before we start gearing up to do the next general plan update. So the purpose of the general plan again is general. It doesn't provide

Can we ask questions a

little Go right ahead. You can interrupt.

Remind me, did we engage a consultant of sorts? We did. Yeah, we did.

And there was a lot of community involvement too.

Definitely. Definitely. Because a, it's required, but plus, you know, just as as being in Paradise Valley, we we encourage that as part of all our processes too for involvement. Again the general plan is just general guidance again precise. Michael Baker was the last one.

Great.

There's other guiding documents that we have. The main one being our visually see the headquarters plan is also a guiding document. We have some, you know, our FTP guidelines also to some degree is that because they're not implementation documents. The general plan is also sometimes called a comprehensive plan because it's comprehensive in scope. It tackles every aspect of all the different departments and divisions that are throughout the town.

So not everything applies to every single aspect. For example, we're really gearing what applies to the planning commission, for example. And it also addresses the town's future. Most people think of our land use map as that in most communities would be. And so it takes immediate concerns into consideration when you're adopting, obviously but it looks at the focus in the future and sometimes those things come to fruition, sometimes they don't, sometimes the priorities change as time goes on and sometimes they don't.

So when would you use the general plan? So specifically when is the Planning Commission going to use the general plan? You're going to use it during your legislative entitlement application so that's your intermediate major special use permit amendments so that's why you see a lot of reference to our goals and policies when you see in our reports, rezonings, any sort of general plan amendment and then text amendments. We just did a text amendment with assisted living, the essential Lutheran church where twice they came through where they removed the church and created housing that required a general plan amendment and rezoning. So those are the times that you're referencing back to our general plan.

Not very typical you'd use it on administrative entitlements. So you know your conditional use permit for a private road. These are type of that we have criteria for. If you meet them, you should approve it. But that criteria is all based on the goals and policies of the general plan.

So there's always a connection on those. So again, you wouldn't normally use them or reference them in a conditional use permit, the laws put preliminary plat. A minor special use permit amendment is technically not legislative, but that's where you might see some carryover more so because there's a mix of that in there. It did because again that was a text amendment, So you kind of look back to what does the guiding document tell you because it's a legislative decision. So mostly the things that you're recommending you're really using the general plan for because then the council is taking the legislative action on those other things.

Question. Is there an example of a general plan amendment that's occurred in the last year or so?

Yeah. The general plan amendments we've had to this current general plan, there were only two minor amendments. Those were the Ascension Lutheran Church. We've had no major amendments.

Okay. So that's what you

were saying.

I got it. Yeah.

Right. Thanks. Yeah. We don't get a lot of them. So, yeah, they're not too common, at least for this community.

And then the other main part of the general plan is the vision statement. So that reinforces the resident values that are expressed during the plan process and matches the values that are expressed also in the when you really look at the past general plans and their vision statements. There's a lot of consistency when you really go back through the the very first general plan to what the general plan we have today. You can see a lot of consistency in in the vision and values that are there. And and what they are according to this general plan, and they probably were much the same in prior, is we're primarily one acre residential community, limited government, creating a sense of community, partnerships with existing schools and resorts to enhance recreational opportunities, improving aesthetics, and preserving the natural open space.

And that's all encapsulated in the actual text that you see on the on the right. And then there's various elements. So the elements in the general plan, some of them are required by state law and then others are optional. And it all really depends on your population is how it generally works. So our land use element is a required element. In that element ours, we also have our special use permit planning and that meets the growth areas requirement. So a lot of communities, you know, they have a lot of vacant land or agricultural land that they're going to be growing in and seeing changes in growth. Ours in this town are the special use permit properties. That's where we that's where our non residential is. Then there's community character and housing.

That's an optional element, that the town has opted to to include. Mobility which is generally circulation in the state statute is a required element. Open space is a required element. Environmental planning and water resources is a required element. Sustainability is again another optional element that town decided to include. Public facilities is an optional element and then cost of development is required

element. Can

we go back one slide really quickly? So this vision statement where it states all these values, I mean, this really did come through in terms of the the process leading up to the approval of the general plan since there was, the opportunity to talk to residents and for for residents to give input. And, and a lot of this did thread through their comments, if I remember correctly. As we were reviewing comments, you did see these items sort of pop up over and over again. So that's why these are here as part of the vision statement because it is very consistent with what is important to the people of Paradise Valley.

Actually this vision remains very similar to what you saw in the last general plan. So there wasn't a lot of change or shift in the text if you will. You go back to a couple other ones, know, were much more loosey goosey but not as much text if you will to it. But this one really did mimic. There was very few changes in the vision statement. But again, all our surveys and everything that went out, we really hammered home a lot of these sort of things to make sure we're reinforcing what these statements were.

So right and we got really good input. Oh yeah, we

had multiple workshops and surveys and things of that nature.

Okay, thank you.

So then I'm just going to go over each land use element. So I don't actually have the actual goal there but I have a lot of the policies that meet the goals. It's just to try to keep it short. So there are definitely unique characteristics about Paradise Valley and certainly when you compare it to the rest of the communities that are bordering the town. So small in area compared to other Phoenix and Scottsdale that border Paradise Valley.

It's small in population definitely in comparison to what's around. Landlocked, 75% of land is low density semi rural residential. Only 6% of the land is non residential. The acquired growth areas as mentioned are the special use permit properties comprised of custom designed structures and then the mountains bordering and within the town limits. Of course, nothing new to all of you, but those are the unique things that are unique to Paradise Valley. There's different things for Phoenix and Carefree and what else?

Lincoln And 50th Street, if you were to take those commercial area, think it's a builder and something else. Is that part of this as well then?

You're talking about

At Lincoln and roughly 50th Street.

Oh, right. On the south side of the street. Yes.

Yeah. I didn't see it listed there. It's not a house of worship. It's not a medical facility. It's not a resort. But it's like a realtor's office.

Yeah. That is our only lawful nonconforming use. So it is still technically zoned R43. Yeah. But they have lawful nonconforming status, when they wanna modify their use. So when when you look at our zoning ordinance, you you talk there's a lot of use restrictions in there. They're really referencing that property. So when they wanted when they changed to allow that type of they always had some similar use. They went back to the Board of Adjustment to it's still similar, but they modified that. But it's a lawful nonconforming.

So that was residential? At one point, is that

I don't know if it ever was really residential. Think it always was I mean, at least when the town incorporated. That's why it's not conforming. When the town became a town in 'sixty one, it already had

It's been there a long time.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Probably the '50s. I

just noted that it wasn't part of your other descriptions there.

Correct. And that's because we'd want it if it ever does go away, you'd probably want it just residential is what the general plan is telling us. Thank you. So yeah.

And and another question, going back to that last slide. The population always I've heard as many as 15,000. That's a twelve five, I think. Is that done every like, along with the Census. National census?

Correct. Yeah. So the yeah. The census happens. Maricopa Association Governance or MAG, they keep a rough population estimate that every year they look at. And then the numbers you have to look at too. I mean, most of 85253, of course, is the town limits. But sometimes that population number includes other areas outside that zip code. You just or areas that are not technically within the town limits.

Okay. Great.

So when you look at the land use, this is probably the most when you really look at how the general plan structure with all the elements going from land use to the very last one, the Planning Commission is gonna heavily really look at, like, land use. The very first one is more so than the latter ones because as I said before it's a comprehensive document so other divisions and departments look at it. Really you're charged a lot of land use sort of things. So this is the most common one that you'll see referenced when a staff brings you some sort of case. So there are six goals and they have associated policies.

So to enhance the quality of life and you look at the policies which are to preserve and maintain the single family minimum one acre standard, encouraging visually open streetscapes, revitalizing existing neighborhoods, keeping codes updated, and then providing meaningful input opportunities. The second goal relates to promoting harmonious community form and design and then the policies relate to limiting floor area ratio and setbacks, encouraging design elements that promote energy and water conservation, minimizing disturbance on hillside areas, using drought tolerant native plant material, focusing on construction management to mitigate nuisances and length of time to construct, using attractive wall and fence design. So as you can see, some of these things, particularly our special use permit properties when we're looking through those. These are things that we're looking at as staff, but also you're looking at at the planning commission and ultimately the council's also looking at to make sure that all, meets these these goals and policies. So the third one in land use to support limited, targeted, and context appropriate special use permit properties, balancing the need for fiscal health, again, protecting the low density residential character, again, a very common thing that you see that we look at, at the planning commission level, achieving the quality of life through various means, through context scale and sound moderation, again all that design service standards that we start looking at when we're looking at their site plan and the elevations and how it matches with the neighboring properties.

To control community spaces by protecting wash corridors, integrating art and requiring open space and pedestrian amenities on nonresidential properties and efficient infrastructure and development by encouraging public private partnerships and infrastructure funding and financing that's coordinated with development activity and funded by the developer whenever possible. So again, the land use goals and policies are very heavy.

What was that last thing you said? Sorry. You kind of trailed off. Can't.

Oh, sorry. It's just encouraging public private partnerships and infrastructure funding and financing that's coordinated with development. And then the last one is just regarding special use permit property revitalization encouraging it and improvement within these existing geographic boundaries. It's you know, the general plan focuses on not expanding those existing, special use permit boundaries, getting community impact assessments, which really we get when you get the parking statements, all those sort of noise studies, those all happen with the, application process and evaluating the project design for compatibility with the adjacent land uses. Then so that's land use.

Again, your that's major thing that the planning commission looks at when you see our various applications. And then the next one is still community character and housing. You see that a lot, and that blends in with a lot of the stuff that we do when you do a lot of the plotting. So your preliminary plots and things of that So again, what's unique on the town? Again, it's comprised of custom designed structures.

Again, the mountains, the world class resorts, and the natural hillside washes and native landscaping. So there are five goals and associated policies in this element. The existing residential character by preserving enhancing smaller neighborhoods, encouraging development that responds to the existing physical characteristics and drainage patterns, safety streetscapes and open spaces, promoting design quality and sustainable materials and hillside development, creating distinctive and memorable design by encouraging quality design and use of materials that fit in the context of the area, seeking consistency at key entry points into the town, periodically reviewing our visually significant corridors master plan, promoting aspects of the town that differentiates it from other communities. So again these are things that you'll see in your SEP review also and sometimes the preliminary plat review will look at some of these.

That's also something that we see a lot of on Hillside as we sit on Hillside because we all do that as well. That that sort of drives you know what what's happening in those hillside.

Yes. Hillside your role is more not legislative it's more administrative because you're kind of just following the code but where did all those provisions and code requirements come from? Right. They are rooted in the general plan. Right.

Correct.

Scenic environmental design, you know protecting mountain views, applying refining the hillside development regulations which we do on a regular basis, you know mitigating impacts from lot development, balancing light levels, Definitely something you probably do in Hillside you know that's a little bit something that's you have some discretion over.

The protecting mountain views and then we do that a lot with the you know the site corridors and figuring out what the elevation should be and how high structures should be and, you know, in addition to,

you know, like lighting and and all of that. I mean that's still

a very big part of what

we do. Yeah. I mean this is helpful. Mean even though I worked on the general plan going back through this and having to create this document you kind of forget like oh yeah look at all the things that really these all really do impact a lot of the applications that go forward that you're looking at and how much they reinforce the goals and policies that are in the general plan.

Right. And like this concept of having all the underground utility lines, that's very much a Paradise Valley thing. I mean, you look around town and that doesn't really that doesn't happen in other places. So it's very much part of our character. Right.

Yep. And then there's places to connect which is maintaining Town Hall Campus as central gathering area, encouraging special use permit properties to incorporate gathering spaces which is something that's regularly done when you look through some of your resorts in particular, supporting the continued vitality of places of worships and schools which come into play a lot especially lately. Housing types and supplies by encouraging lots more than one acre which you do look at when we do see a lot of our lot splits that you get or the plenary plots that you get. Considering lots less than one acre only where they're already zoned or on SUP resorts prohibiting timeshares and fractional ownership addressing trends that undermine neighborhood safety and residential character. Then the next element is mobility.

So some unique characteristics we have very few designated collector and arterial streets. Those are the red green and blue on the lines on the map.

Could you break that down a little bit more for us in terms of what those definitions mean or which ones are collectors?

Yeah, so your highest level street is an arterial so that's Lincoln And Tatum, Scottsdale Road as well. So that's your highest number of vehicles that are traveling. Then you would have collector streets or minor arterials are your blue so that's Mockingbird, Doubletree Ranch Road. So these are roads that are through streets basically carrying a lot of traffic that people are not really stopping here. They are going from Scottsdale to Phoenix and vice versa pretty much.

And then you have your collector streets. Know, think of Palakristi, mostly probably still a lot of local individuals are using those but they're collecting from the more local streets that are in internal to that. Thank you. And this map is important when I get to what the you know when you look at what what's a major amendment to the general plan. There are you know two things we look at in the circulation system is one. So we don't have a lot of these non local streets in town limits.

Can you come back go back for a second and speak to the design preference issue?

Oh, yes. So the design preference that's another unique characteristic is that there you know for no curb sidewalks or on street bike bicycle facilities. So if you look at the local roads, you go to Phoenix or Scottsdale, you know, most of those all have all sidewalks in there. And we do have some, but, again, most of it is to try to just have rolled curb, hillside, usually no curb, just to keep that character. So that's, I would say, pretty unique to to the town.

So it feels more of the like, the rural elegance feel as opposed to a subdivision. Yep.

Correct. And one other question as it relates to the to the, quote, traffic calming, unquote, traffic calming, I guess, could be a roundabout, which I think we have at least one that I happen to traverse. Do you know, are roundabouts something that continues to be discussed by by staff? Is that as far as traffic calming, is that a preferred approach? Or is there

So it's I I think it's in here. It's one of the plans that it is an option. So when we do projects and traffic calming is, one of the goals, it's it's one option that we will consider.

Okay.

We haven't had any of those types of projects in the last couple of years. We did have a a a we did have one over here on Mockingbird that was Right. In and probably shouldn't have quite been in and that project went away, but it will come back again at some point.

Right.

It may be considered again. Sure.

Yes, it's

in the the pallet of options for street improvements.

Okay. And and one last question as it relates to traffic calming speed bumps. Is is there what's the criteria? You know, I I mean, if someone asked me if I wanted a speed bump on my street, say yes. But we we tried that, and it never we couldn't get one, I guess, with the kids that are

Some towns have Is it very specific methods of Quantitative. Of putting those in. So what what we do, we're a little more ad hoc, but it's still based on the science of of of traffic engineering. So when we get a speed complaint, we we go out and measure. Right. We can actually find out how many cars and how fast they're going. Yeah. And there is an expected range, of speed. It looks basically like a bell curve, and if that bell curve is centered relatively around the posted speed, probably we're okay. We have not had any instances in a couple years where we've been getting some, periodic complaints where we had a speed problem per se.

You know, we've we've spent quite a lot of time on Mockingbird on that one of the stretches on the map here, redesigning it a year or so ago, and the construction has yet to happen. That one did have a bit of a speed problem, and so the town the town council helped us decide the the the pallet of materials on that one. There's no roundabouts, but there are chicanes and and other things, low water crossings that will tend to lower speed. Oh, yeah. Speed bumps usually are not a great option, but it is one speed cushions they call them and there are speed tables.

There are Right.

Many options. I've been working with my engineering team to kind of see if we can provide a little bit of a policy about how we consider these things. The trickiest part we'll probably have to end up speaking to counsel about it is, how we do the public input.

Right.

Because in those cases, the the reason some towns have a very regimented plan for doing that is because they don't want to get into the neighborhood battles that invariably Yeah. Arise from these speed complaints. Yeah. Yeah. What we find is the the folks that are speeding are also neighbors, because a lot of these streets aren't through streets. They they might prefer to be able to speed. And in this town, we have unique issues as well because one of the speeders we had in one of the cases was in a very high powered sports car, would respond low speed bumps. So No. We have unique aspects here that we're working with. But Yeah. They're not for everybody. Mostly, they're kind of one offs and and and and our engineer folks work with Got it. With with residents when they have speed complaints. So we haven't had a lot of construction projects come out of

those. Right.

Okay. Are we putting in any roundabouts now? No.

We don't have any slated at the moment.

Okay. Good. Thank you.

K. Yeah. So on mobility, there are so some of these goals you'll see at the planning commission level, a lot with planning, I would think. And there are five goals, in the mobility section. So there's safe multimodal circulation by emphasizing a system that links residents to their destination in a safe and efficient manner, minimizing traffic congestion on major streets through design and traffic signal control, directing regional pass through traffic to Lincoln and Tatum, establishing relationships with other agencies to discourage cut through traffic, using a variety of means to educate persons regarding laws and safe use practices, supporting enforcement of existing codes, requiring new development to avoid direct access onto major arterial roadways where possible discouraging the installation of private roadway gates and encouraging best practices.

So the last two in particular you see a lot when you get the gate SUPs and when we look at some plotting. Roadway design by incorporating effective principles of roadway design and traffic management. There's your roundabouts. Utilizing roundabouts and traffic circles instead of stop signs where possible. Designing streets in scale and character, supporting the semi rural residential culture of the town, regional transit services by emphasizing limited and appropriate transit services, environmental systems by reducing dust, by requiring streets, driveways, and parking lots to be paved or finished with a stabilized surface incorporating noise reducing pavement materials and open to the use of proven new technology materials.

So again, something that you'd see with your plotting applications and then visual character by implementing quarterly quarters plan, developing strategies addressing landscape maintenance of public rights of way, utilizing drug tolerant native landscaping, evaluating the benefit that excess right of way on an abandonment request has for preserving the open space character and then balancing visual clutter and safety through allowing the minimum signs needed and required.

And before we move on, let's just speak a little bit to the visually significant corridors plan because that is separate and apart, but under the general plan to really to detail out a little bit more about our our major cross area across streets and our our plantings and landscape. And could you just just give us a little bit more on

that? Yeah, sure. Share that. So that quarter plan really is focused on Lincoln and Tatum. It is a guiding document but when you look when we do an SUP amendment it says we have different levels. There's good, better, best. So we look at what those are and they all relate to landscaping. They relate to maybe possibly lighting. And then we have three different zones of you talk about rural elegance. We have the resort zone that we categorize right of way quarter based on its own palette of landscaping and feel to it.

So when you get a request for an amendment to a special use permit property that are along those quarters like you just did with Smoke Tree not that long ago, we look to that plan to see well what other are their plantings do they match that resort feel and which is going be very different than if you were at 32nd Street in Lincoln. So that's what that plan is for is drilling down in mostly the landscaping but landscaping lighting and just how the streetscape and the openness feels on that on those corridors.

Thank you. I just wanted to like distinguish that a little bit because it's under this umbrella but it's just it's a different document.

It's definitely a document that you'll see.

Thank you.

So then the next element is open space. Again, what's unique here is most are private or passive like Old Memorial. We have a very active mountain trust and regulations that encourage private and public efforts to acquire, maintain and preserve that open space. And you will certainly see reference to this again as we're going down the elements. There's a lot of these that don't directly apply to some of your applications but certainly have a base in some of the stuff that you're doing.

So there are three goals in the open space section to protect open space and mountain views by encouraging gifts of land or conservation easements acquisition or other incentives, supporting the mission of the trust, limiting public access to open space, utilizing existing streets right of way to provide more public open space and mountain views, monitoring the effect of the SUP guidelines and town codes, placing a high priority on the preservation and restoration of mountain views from public rights of way during any new intermediate or major special use permit amendment applications and requiring the dedication of land or easements during those SEP amendment process. Then open space management by encouraging active resident involvement, providing consistent and effective operations, and then establishing partnerships and supporting resort tourism. And then the last goal in that element is healthy lifestyle by supporting partnerships and joint use agreements with local school districts and community organizations to provide for recreational programs and activities and facilities, providing adequate on-site recreational open space amenities in new residential and resorts, encouraging resident involvement when planning recreational amenities, minimizing impacts of recreational user parking residential neighborhoods and maintaining the linkage of open space and recreational resources.

So as you can see a lot of those do fall in when you're doing your STP amendments in particular or sometimes the plotting and then some are things that you see with Hillside but there again have a base in that.

And especially with the mountains. The mountains are just so important to the character of our town in terms of the development on Hillside and and just the the view corridors, I think that's really such such an important thing to keep in mind as we're moving forward with processes.

Excuse me. On that note, so Camelback Mountain is iconic as we consider it to be. A portion of it is is in Phoenix. Correct?

That is correct.

I remember seeing a home being built on, I guess I would call it the Southeastern part of the mountain. From a hillside perspective, it didn't look compliant. And I found out that was because it was in Phoenix.

Yeah. Yeah.

Is that what it is? Okay.

Yeah. It's a completely different look and feel depending on whether or not you're in Paradise Valley or whether you're in Phoenix as it relates

to Camelotam. Phoenix has a health their own hillside ordinance and regulations, but they are different than what the town's

Yeah.

They must be. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, because they have different plan in place.

Yep. Exactly. And the sack goes back. So then the next element, environmental planning and water resources. So again, unique characteristics with the long standing history of the town protecting its resources, the predominant large lot residential development pattern, that, you know, by itself, provides important habitat and the long standing wash preservation and maintenance, program that we've had, in the town.

And again, some of these again, you'll see again a lot so probably more when you get into plotting. And there are seven goals and associated policies. So there's natural resource conservation by conserving undeveloped natural land through protection of contiguous areas, encouraging drought tolerant native landscaping, you see that theme throughout a lot of our elements, encouraging new development and redevelopment to retain on-site, to the extent feasible native plants, encouraging the restoration of areas that have been disturbed or scarred, encouraging community volunteerism and stewardship, maintaining an active relationship with adjacent communities and government agencies. There's the tree canopy by participating in Tree City USA which we do and have for years planting new native and drought tolerant trees on town owned land, encouraging property owners and builders to dedicate surplus trees, requiring site design for nonresidential property.

Just a question. We encourage volunteerism by insulting volunteers. Is that true? No need to respond.

Then there's the visual resource preservation.

One moment please. If the commission could please keep their comments to to the general plan. Thank you.

There's protecting views from public places consistent with private property rights. There's requiring that special use permit developments not create major adverse impacts on natural landscapes and semi urban development patterns, minimizing outdoor lighting pollution through the town's lighting regulations. Then there's air and noise quality goal. Again, policies there prohibit burning refuse, evaluating the purchase of low emission vehicles for the town's fleet, continuing to be proactive in the protection of airspace, cooperating with MAG, supporting charging infrastructure within the SUP developments and at town hall facilities. And there's a goal on water supply, encouraging water service providers to regularly undertake assessments and sharing data, encouraging these providers to continually maintain adequate water pressure, working with the corporation commission, and encouraging water conservation.

So a lot of those you'll see when we get you get your water service impact study when you that's why you see these studies and things with your preliminary plans. Same with the water quality. So again, you're coordinating with the service providers and cooperating with the various agencies that deal with that, and encouraging various techniques. And then that's the same with flood control and drainage. And again, you see a lot of the various studies that you see when you see it with an amendment, and a special use permit property or plat.

Know maintaining you know town on flood control, encouraging preservation and restoration of the washes, you know requiring you know property owners maintain those areas and appropriate easements as a condition of development which you'll see a lot, adequate retention, and then designing roadway improvements that reduce storm water impact. And that is that element. So, we get into sustainability. So, there's and again as we keep going down, most of these touch less and less directly, they're more indirectly related. So sustainability, there's active resident population that's really involved in all aspects of town governance.

There's residents and design professions that use really cutting end methods on custom design structures and sites compared to a lot of other neighboring communities. There are six goals and associated policies in this section. There's community education and involvement, promoting town programs regarding sustainability, supporting local school programs, pursuing best practices related to that, again working cooperatively with other agencies. There's various building practices, you know, using the most up to date information on energy savings or designing towns buildings that demonstrate excellence, encouraging special use permit projects to utilize the minimum level of sustainability to encourage adaptive reuse and recycling and encouraging the use of materials that minimize gain in outdoor surfaces. Again, some of those you'll see when those projects come before you.

Greenhouse gas emissions is really managing civic operations when it relates to that water conservation, encouraging reduced consumption on municipal side, working with the water providers, providing the benefits to retrofit and then encouraging harvesting rainwater and graywater and things of that nature. Then there's a goal on solid waste and hazardous waste by supporting efficient and responsible method of trash collection, working with waste providers to ensure recycling is available, providing for events such as our household hazardous waste collection that we do here at town hall. And then there's a goal regarding finances, supporting reasonable operating expenditures, a five year capital improvement plan, seeking additional grant funding, and things of that nature. So a lot of those don't get directly involved at the planning commission level more so the council level or other divisions and departments in the town.

Can I ask a question? Sure.

Can you go back? Uh-huh. The encouraging the harvesting of rainwater and graywater for reuse and recycling I'm just curious, how do we do that? How do we encourage that? I haven't seen that, but I'm interested in it.

Yeah. I mean, think there's just through informational. Mean, we used have a lot of information just online where we just share information. I know, like, I'm not so much on this, but like Star does, we would just, you know, share some of their information at the counter for, you know, people who are coming in to redevelop homeowners, their homes, and things of that nature. So it's a lot of just

So when they're building a new home, do you tell them, run your gutters this way and put it into a recycling pot or something?

I mean, I think we have a direct program on that.

Isn't it true that Hillside encourages that? When I was on Hillside and rotated on, there were required cisterns that some people were using those cisterns for watering their plants.

I don't think it's required. I mean It wasn't required. Yeah. But I mean certainly Good. I know Hillside does.

I haven't seen it outside

of Hillside. Love to see that. I'd love to see more of that. Sure.

Thank you. Yeah.

Two questions.

Just one question on the water delivery program and I guess the service itself. Is is Epcor the primary delivery service that we have for for potable water in in Paradise Valley or are there other water companies that

Yeah. Have Because we have the EPCOR. We have the city of Phoenix. Have

yeah. City Of Phoenix.

Yeah. We have Scottsdale. Yeah. There's I think at least yeah, Bernal. So there's four. I believe there's four water companies.

Right. And there's still behind my home is a well. It's quite interesting. It seems from the days of flood irrigation, of which slowly but surely people are getting off of that and putting in drip.

It's a bummer.

But it's a crazy well. It's the ugliest thing you've ever seen.

You're right now at Chris Caruso's house.

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. It's just I mean, I don't know how they stay in business, to be honest with you.

The house across the street from us has a well.

Do they really? So I just wondered how groundwaters I know that in Scottsdale, at least being in the resort world I'm sure Jim knows about this because of golf courses. Mean, using groundwater is a big no no. And you've got to either depend on gray water or some other source. Well,

house originally across from us was a nineteen twenty one two story Adobe. Right. That was can you imagine 1921 with that look like? That's amazing. Anyway, since it's been torn down. Right.

So then the next element is our public facilities and cost of development. So just going off what you just said, almost all our utilities are private, except for the Paradise Valley sewer system which we jointly manage with the city of Scottsdale. So that's pretty unique. I mean most communities they have their own and manage their own utilities, and not the town. And many of the properties in town are on septic so that also is pretty unique for particularly for what's the neighboring communities.

You know, they mostly are on sewer. So then there are six goals associated with that. So there's a goal regarding public facilities, again, that emphasizes the town hall campus as the primary gathering spot, to require accessible public buildings and facilities, to design town buildings to complement showcase the character of the surrounding area. There's crime and law enforcement goal regarding maintaining sufficient police staffing, maintaining appropriate response times, working in partnership with the various applicable agencies. There's one on fire protection emergency medical services, again dealing with response times and investing in advances and things of that nature, compliance with health and safety codes, you know, getting relating to staffing, you know, conducting outreach and things of that nature.

So nothing that you probably directly see here but definitely things that we deal with within the town.

Yeah. But our public facilities, issue here is it it does dovetail in with what's been happening in the last year or so with our with our post office. Right? Right. I mean, it's a it's a really important element of town hall, and so keeping it in place has been has been wonderful in terms of dovetailing with this this portion of the general plan.

Yeah. Yeah.

Just another question is it circles back to, I don't know if they call it building code. But I've seen that as houses are demolished and rebuilt, the old branch houses is there's still a lot of them around have septic. But I've been told that if you start over again, you're required to hook up to the sewer system. If

you can, it's all real base our code spells out. It's based on cost. It's generally if it costs 10% or less of what the project costs to connect, you'd have to connect. Well,

I think

that makes sense.

Bigger issue there is if you're trying to get if you're trying to get sewer up on one of the mountains, right, that's where it starts getting really, really expensive because and because of distances and and the engineering to do that. But it's also, you know, more it's just more difficult to do the the excavation or and whatever. And it may not be possible.

And you may have a sewer line right near you, but you can't access it because of how it sits in your topography. Yeah. So that's why that 10% cost you know, you'll see some homes that are still on septic, you know, because the cost is just so high. Some individuals will still, even if it's beyond that, will still do it. Yeah.

Injector pumps. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. I've got one of those too. Yeah.

Then that

same as a sump pump? No. No. Okay. It handles different Oh, great. Okay. Can be expensive. I guess it sounds expensive. Yeah.

So they continue on with this element. Again, there's just other facilities and services. Again, talking again about levels of service and involvement of that nature. There's the cost of development which relates to impact fees and a lot of funding that the council deals with directly. And that's the element. So then the general plan talks about implementation. And so the implementation section has 35 actions and I would say nine of those 35 is what I kind of touched the planning commission in some ways and so the ones I pulled out. The actions are either identified as some one time effort or some sort of continuous effort. Again, these actions are recommendations. It's still a general plan.

As I mentioned at the very start, you know, over time, this is a ten year plan. So over time, sometimes priorities shift or timing shifts or things in the world shifts and things shift, you know. So things may not happen the way it was spelled out. That's why you do look at the general plan every ten years or sooner to make some changes. Just something I

have a question on implementation. Is there a body within the town that evaluates how we're doing operationally against the general plan? I mean, an example would be mobility. The the traffic at Scottsdale and Lincoln, you know, that's I understand that's a that stoplight there, that left hand turn light is Scottsdale. And so is there a body that evaluates how we're how we're doing?

Because, you know, the Ritz and Smoke Tree aren't even open yet. And I'm just wondering, do we do we work with Scottsdale on how that light works? Because sometimes during the day, you'd have a better chance of driving in Cairo than you would at that intersection. And I'm and it I haven't been

to Cairo. I agree

with that. So The the thought just comes in my mind. Is there some is there a body that looks at all what's in the general plan and how we're

You mean like an audit?

Yeah. Like an audit. How we're living up to the the items in the general plan?

Mister Weaver, it looks like you wanna take this one.

Well, so there there's kinda two there. So I can talk specifically about traffic in that intersection. You're you correctly identified that it's a Scottsdale intersection. We do work with them.

Yeah.

They're not quite as forthcoming as we would always like, but we're building that relationship. There's not a lot that could be done. There there will be evaluation as, of course, as soon as those two resorts, either of them opens, that will impact the other project we talked about before to a Mockingbird. There's a lot of things in that area we'll have to to monitor. I'll do a callback.

Actually, there is one roundabout, I think, on the plans in the North Side Of Ritz that will happen at some point someday. But the general question about, you know, who's kind of keeping score, it's not anyone's job per se. This group can raise issues. I mean, the fact that we're here now because you wanted to kind of go over it again is a is a good opportunity to raise issues, send the staff back to report back on. Council, obviously, is empowered to raise those issues as well. There isn't any one group that necessarily goes through and audits it per se.

Yeah. You may

have a comment.

No. Think

you you did want your concern about that intersection the way. It's right by the house.

Yeah. And it's not an indictment on the operation of the town. I just wondered if you have a general plan, you know, in in any business or Right. Any operation, you'd you'd audit it from time to time just to see how, you know, you're doing against what you said you wanted to do.

Sure. You know?

One of the reasons that the state requires that the the general plans to be updated and and revoted on is for that purpose.

Yeah. Right.

The the the downside of not requiring that is they can set pretty static on the shelf. So so the way Arizona requires Townsend City Street consider them tends to to help. I I wasn't here the last I I assume that that was some of the discussions that happened when reformulating this latest general plan is, okay. Let's look back at the last one. Start there. Build forward. What worked?

What didn't? What do we

need to tweak change?

So Yeah. And I think the the planning commission and the town council try their very best when they're when they're looking at projects Right. To make sure that they're operationally Feasible. Feasible and and can be taken into, you know, consideration that it's either good or it's bad. So I I think both those bodies do a pretty good job of that.

I think that's correct. I think that, in addition to that, though, we do have the the reassessment every ten years. But but also as we look at each and every one of these projects, there are things that will bubble up, like you said. So so I think that is that is a time when when we can sort of keep keep note as to whether or not we think at least on the land use piece of it if if we're moving in the direction that we wanna be moving. But fundamentally, it's not just ours. It's gotta be approved by what they what the constituency wants as well. Mister Michel.

And I was just gonna add, chair and commissioner, Rose. You know, the staff of the different divisions and departments, you know, for example, for planning, I mean, we look at these. So the visually significant quarters plan, that was an action from the last general plan. I mean, we made sure, okay, we need to put this in. It didn't happen when we thought it was gonna happen, but it eventually did happen. We we keep an eye on those sort of things. So I'd keep an eye, for example, from the planning sort of things, but then finance will keep on their eye. So it's it's a document that all different departments look at, not just every ten years. When there's a lot of capital improvement program stuff in here sometimes, so those come in. You know? So it is looked at at a regular basis. But probably not just one entity as I think. Right.

To your point, Jim, we only do that prospectively. We don't have a back lens on stuff. I think that hasn't been in scope for us, don't think, to go back and see.

Most governments don't. What size of businesses do, the governments typically don't.

Right. But your point is a good point.

But if I think at the end of the day, the checks and balances happen with our citizens. And not that that's the way to do it, but I guess, is there a process of a citizen has a concern about anything from a traffic light to the way someone's property is being maintained, is there someone specifically I should tell them to

call? There Nobody calls Victor. What's that? You can call me if you like. It sort of depends. So traffic complaints usually go to Shar Johnson, the town engineer. Right. Code complaints, like neighbors, trash, refuse, something like that is, yeah, is Victor who's our code compliance, officer. If you get them to the department, generally, most of that stuff is us. If it's private property rules and regulations and things that we enforce, Obviously, engineering, building, drainage, code compliance.

If it's a town property related thing, then it goes to public works. But in any case, we're a small enough staff across the town that we all generally know how to get that to the proper person because frequently we get it and send it to them and vice versa.

So Yeah. Okay. Got it. So if if someone calls the the main number here and talks to, call it the receptionist.

How do you know what

the main number is? We don't have a one with well, a main number per se. We have no receptionist any longer. There used

to be one.

We don't to the

Yeah.

We don't list of departments.

I'm sorry.

We don't have an actual secretary or receptionist. However, it does come to the front counter staff

Yeah, the counter staff.

Since we typically see people as they walk in. So there is a I think it's town infoparadisvalleyaz dot gov. That's a general email. It comes to, I think, four or five of us. And we always mhmm. We can always get those out to the appropriate people. There's also a general information line, and that's (480) 348-3692. And I can send you an email with all this info too so you can share it in the future.

And they're really good. I've used it before. They're really good

about getting back. Yeah. That's great. Thank you. Thank

you. Mister Michel? Yep.

Sure. So, so the actions that we have. So action number one is to update the SUP guidelines as necessary. And I think we would look maybe start looking at that. It's something we've had on our list for quite a while because we last updated those maybe fifteen years ago or so. It's been a bit of time. As you know, we're doing the zoning reorganization, so that's actually gonna be coming, to it's going to council, and then it's coming to you for your recommendation this fall. So probably March, April, you'll be seeing that. But, again, that's that's coming up and that's something there to require community impact assessments on, SUP projects. And that's really an ongoing thing and that's what you see when each separate application comes in case by case and we get those sort of things.

So that's an ongoing sort of thing. Then there's action number three, which is to monitor land use and development conditions to ensure regulations addressing and or mitigating identified issues of community concern. This, again, is really more ongoing. It's reflected in various recent code updates. We are always looking at different code updates, we've taken, I think, a harder look at looking with our state statute requirements and other stuff, and that's part of the reorganization code update that you're gonna be seeing soon.

Action number five is to enforce and refine the hillside development regulations through periodic code updates. There are no current updates. The last update was a pretty major one in 2018, but we've constantly always refined that. There's always little things here and there. So, again, if there's something that needs to happen on that, we'll we'll move forward, but there's nothing currently, to use the visually significant quarters master plan which we talked about today. Again, that was a pretty new plan, so we don't have any updates on the horizon. But if we need to, we'll certainly look at those again and might do one of these sessions on that. You know? So action number 10 is to routinely evaluate and amend the lighting regulations. Again, the last update was in 2017.

I know in a while past, we really did a massive change to the lighting in the hillside regulations. At the time, we were trying for those who maybe were still here. We were trying to also do the flatland lighting regulations, but they're very complicated. So we kinda tabled that. So that might be something in the future to look at.

Action number 11 was to continue efforts to increase opportunities for telecommunications and broadband services in suitable locations, and we just did in 2024, we amended, remember, our our regulations to allow managerial process for certain sites and and the council is always interested in that. And we still do a lot of outreach from a staff perspective to try to get providers to to come to the town. So that's some recent activity on that. Action, 12 is to create a town engineering standards manual, and our town engineering division is doing just that. So that's something that's happening this year. Then there's action 23 was to evaluate and amend as necessary the landscape design guidelines and consider adding key provisions to the zoning, ordinance. And again, that's something

I should comment on that. I I actually think that needs a lot of work because what's happening with us is there's no restrictions on putting hedges up along the, you know, fronting the road or whatever. So what you have around us is it's not open land anymore. You just have these houses that you can't even it's just big tall 16 foot hedges that are right up against the roadway. And it kind of destroys the look of the community. I could give you addresses. Could drive Some of them are the sports people who want the privacy. But it doesn't lead to an open view or whatever.

Is that there were setback requirements that we one time I

don't think there is for landscaping.

The only landscaping we have, you're probably recalling we have in our we changed for walls and fences. We did combo view fences in the front yard only at a 20 foot setback versus 40. Right. In that instance, we don't really look at the landscape plan, but they sign a hedge maintenance agreement that they would not put a hedge up there. I don't know how many we have now. Not not as many as you probably think. I mean, there's probably existing ones that exist prior to that ordinance. Right. It's it's definitely a maintenance or a regulation sort of headache to try to avoid it.

But House is not here anymore. Chris Paul's house is not here anymore.

Restrictions we do are only in relation to the walls. It's just a hard to get involved.

Correct. Right? And they have done it.

I'm saying it really isn't. Because we don't have any code requirements on landscaping.

That was my point about '23.

We should think about that.

I mean, at the end of the day, the hedge becomes the wall. It is. Have any hardscape.

Yeah. It just

so would that feed into the next plan update?

Well, it'd either be, you know, looking at the land our landscape design guidelines. So we did the visually significant quarters plan kinda has some of that embedded in some of that, but that's really, as I mentioned before, just germane to the quarter. So it's just germane to Lincoln and Tatum. So there's some really good recent stuff in that. Our the landscape by means we still have an effect. I think it's 1996. So they're pretty old.

So those houses that are building the hedges, they really don't have front doors. You couldn't even tell where the front

door Yeah. Yeah. So as of today, unless it was They have

a gate.

They had a wall in the front yard at a 20 foot setback instead of the 40 that was over three foot tall and they had a hedge maintenance agreement, we can't anything really about them. So they can yeah. And you'd have to figure out what you're doing because the guideline is just a guideline. Right? Right. I mean, if you don't put in the code, we can't still enforce it. You know? So just remember that. But that is a it is an action and something that, you know, we do wanna get back into and looking back at. So action 24 is to update the zoning ordinance to be consistent with the town, state, and federal regulations. So something I think that we've been definitely dealing with of late.

Was that the group homes too?

That was part of that too, all of that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And that's all. Those are the actions that are applicable there. There's other actions in there, but they don't directly deal with a lot of the Planning Commission stuff.

But that was the genesis of it. As I recall, that was how it came about.

Yep. Yep. So then the last section of the general plan is just what's a major amendment. So a major amendment is gonna be subject to the same review requirements as when the plan was adopted except you don't have to ratify it by the voters. So the required process steps, would be an approval of a citizen review plan, and that plan does go to counsel when these things happen. We the last one didn't come to fruition. It's the, I want to call it the town triangle. It's, what is that called? That subdivision is over there. Scottsdale Road and, yeah, Scottsdale Road and, whatever it is.

Can't think about it. In any event, they they had originally gone through a major general plan amendment, but that they changed it. So then it became a cluster plan, so that didn't happen. But they started that process, and this was many years ago. But they got a citizen review plan. So that's just their outreach plan. So what kind of neighborhood meetings are they doing? Council gets to look at those particularly on a major amendment because we really don't have a lot more outreach than what our, code requires. And then we also have to do adjacent municipality and agency notice that's required, in a major general plan amendment process, planning commission recommendation of public hearing as you would expect, and then there's town council action. And there was a timing provision.

It has to be within twelve months after the filing and then an affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the council members on those things. Very different than what you saw with the sentient looser, and that was a minor amendment. So that just follows kinda like a regular special use per amendment process. And then there's, as I mentioned, no major amendments in the in the in 20 into this plan.

So as it relates to major amendments, is it fair to define those as legislative?

Oh, yeah. They're definitely legislative. Yes.

Mhmm. Sometimes I get caught up between administrative and legislative. And Yeah.

But yeah. Okay. Makes sense. Yep. So there's two criteria that determine if it's a major amendment. And the the main one that you number one, we don't really don't see a lot of these amendments. Number one, certainly major, we very rarely see. It's if there's a higher density change on our land use maps, we look at this table that's on the left hand chart. And this is where we're looking at this table why Ascension Lutheran was a minor because it went from a the an use to a single family residential low density residential use. That's a lesser classification.

So it didn't reach a a major amendment criteria process. The second criteria would be, as I mentioned earlier in my presentation, regarding our circulation map and the nonresidential streets. You know, arterial there. It's a change to a higher capacity street class. So, for example, say they want you wanted to change Doubletree Ranch Road.

You thought it should change, you know, in classification at least, you know, to a, major arterial, then that would be a that would be a major general plan amendment process. So I don't think we've ever had one of these, but this this this is where the place would be if we did one. And then minor amendments, as I mentioned, they're pretty much anything that's not a major amendment and it really just follows our our normal process. So we do have a citizen review session like we do with our intermediate or major SUP amendment. That process is actually detailed out in the town code and so applicants just follow that process.

And there's no required, you know, adjacent municipality or agency notice. There's no restriction on timing. You could have, you know, 100 of these in in a in a year, and there's no affirmative vote that's required, on those. And then that's your general plan. So

Wow. Nice picture.

Thank you, mister Michaud. I really appreciate all the work that went into putting this together and and giving us an opportunity to walk through it and ask our questions. Is there anything else that anybody wants to ask at this point, or have we addressed all the questions as we've moved through? I I think every time we look at these things, it's an opportunity to learn something new, and I appreciate that.

Just to note, Paul, despite my protestations at the beginning, you did a lot of work on this. It was well done. So thank

you. Yeah. Like I said, it was useful going back. I mean, even though I touch it probably more than you touch it, you don't touch it in some communities every day. And so it's helpful to go back and like, oh, yeah, Okay, that's where that comes from. Oh, yeah, Okay. Oh, this action. I forgot about this. Yeah.

Well, I for one felt like I needed it. And I haven't been around on this committee as long as you have. But I felt like I needed it. So I appreciate it coming up on the agenda. And I think for me it was time well spent.

So I really appreciate it. Mean, I did work on the the general plan and and I appreciated going through it and and just, like, you know, having having the input from everyone at the table was also was very, very nice because I think there are a few times that we get to get together and and talk about issues as they arise and how the general plan affects us. And I thought this was a I appreciated everybody's cooperation.

Yeah. And, Sher, we don't really do you know, when we have individual training sessions when people onboard, we don't do a deep dive like this in the general plan. We say there's a general plan, there's goals and policies. Good luck. Look at it. Bye. Thank you. We may we may hit a couple high points because you just don't really have the time in an hour or forty five minutes to really go over this level of detail on that.

Some people were very involved. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And so on.

Speaking of which, because I know you were involved with short term rental, is there I don't think there's anything in the general plan that references, even abstractly, short term rental. And I know it was such a big issue for you know better than I can be served on the committee.

Should I think the reference would be to single family housing and a bias to that and one acre

But then then again, we the the town by way of the state has to it's legal to do that. But there you guys put in some some checks and balances that I think there's someone on staff, that helps manage the Yes.

We have balances We do.

For short term

For short term area. Mhmm. Yeah. That's Christie.

We were the town that got the state law amended and Right. Passed the first regulations. A lot of other towns emulated.

Right. I guess you were in the process of doing that when this plan was being put together, so maybe it will be in a future plan. But it is interesting because if you're in the hotel business, you understand how to manage the hotel and everything from safety to, at the end of the day, noise. Security. Right. Yeah. But I think that was our challenge, was these individual homes that were rented out helter skelter weren't getting checked and balanced at this point.

And for the neighbors, they didn't bargain for living next door to a resort that had a wedding every other weekend.

That happens.

I always tease our former mayor that he scared half the short term rentals out of town because some professional people said they were leaving because we were too hostile to deal with. So I always tease Jerry Van Wylmer about that.

You can say that. Think it's a price increase forced amount. They sold and made a bundle.

Well, that's true too.

Well, did anyone have any other questions or comments? Or thank you so much, mister Michaud, once again. Okay. That's that's our overview of the existing general plan. So item six, public hearings legislative items. There are none. Action items. Are there any no action items this evening. Staff reports.

I don't believe there are any staff reports. We'll have future agenda and I'll discuss it in a bit.

I did have just a bit of informational news.

Well, that one that can be under public body reports.

Oh, is that okay? I'm still learning.

That's Okay. Been years. Commissioner Nisikas, you have a report.

I'm always so anxious to get the word out. But no, I had a conversation with the Walton Group the architects for Smoke Tree. They say they're getting in the ground this month, February, probably closer to the end of the month. And there have been some other particular issues that they've faced from an underwriting perspective and whatnot. They've got a big nut to cover.

But they're still full speed ahead. And if you talk to Bill, some of you know, we all met him because he was at our meetings. The head of the company, he's still committed to doing the very best that I mean, looking they're at getting rates that will probably exceed the Ritz.

Just If you over under, they'll open before the Ritz.

I think Walton's taken some bets. They're going to open before. That's what I said. Anyway, that's

Yeah. Their permit should be ready pretty they're they've gone through a couple rounds of reviews, but they're should be ready this couple weeks, I would imagine. Planning approved everything. So Yeah.

That's

Yeah. They've they've been actively involved with the staff and Right. So, they're definitely moving ahead and pretty much on schedule. So

Okay. Thank you. Any other public body reports? No. Thank you, Commissioner Nasekez. Okay. Future agenda items.

So yes. Your next scheduled meeting, it's February 17, but we don't have any items so that is going to be canceled. Your next meeting after that is March 3. There might be a meeting there, but you will definitely have a meeting on March 17. The the two items that you will see, one I mentioned already, it's the reorganization of the, zoning ordinance, which we hired Michael Baker. So that's moving forward. It's gonna be going to council first for a little bit, then it's come gonna come to you. You also have, Phoenix, Country Day School. They have their, health building next to their baseball field that they're redoing. That's an intermediate, special use permit amendment.

That is going, for statement or statement of direction work session at the next, council meeting and then the meeting after that, council should hopefully give you direction, and then that comes to you. So that will definitely come to you in March.

Yeah. That's March 17? So

That definitely will be March. Yeah. I believe that will fall March 17 and how I think the calendar rolls out on that. But for sure, no meeting on the February 17. We'll see in the March 3 if something pops up, but could be a no. But I would expect that you'll have your second meeting in March, and you'll have your April meetings, and you'll have your May meetings. And we'll at least have, for sure, two things. We have four other things kinda cooking, but the applicants need to kinda move them forward along before we can move them along to you. So

Thank you. K. Great. Do I hear a motion to adjourn?

I'll I'll make a motion to adjourn.

Thank you, commissioner. Second. Thank you, commissioner Rose for seconding. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. Have a good evening. See you at the next meeting.