Council - Regular Meeting

like to call the Kittyhawk Town Council meeting to order. It is October the 6, 2025, 6:00 p.m. We are in the Smith meeting room in the Kittyhawk Town Hall. We've got a great turnout tonight. Thank you all for being here. Uh I I trust that you all heard the directions being being played there and uh since we do have such a big turnout. So just make sure you're aware of the exits where the restrooms are so far. If uh if everyone is able, please stand and join us in a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance

to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you so much everybody. Can I need a motion to approve tonight's agenda please? So moved Mr. Mayor. Motion made by Dylan. Second. Second. Second made by Jeff. All in favor say I. I. I. All oppose. Thank you. We have a presentation of life saving award. Chief Palabix, you're up, sir. Good evening. Good evening, Chief.

If I could have Officer Ramirez, Becky, and Michelle, you guys come forward, please. Just come on up right over here. Um, Officer Longs from Southern Shores could not be here this evening, unfortunately. So, we will make sure we make it up to him in some way, shape, or form. Um, so, Mr. Mayor, council members, Mr. Town Manager, good evening. It's my pleasure to come to you tonight and present an award to some people that are very deserving of it. Uh on July 15th, 2025, outside the Harris ter located in the 5,400 block of North Croatan Highway, a woman suffered a medical emergency while exiting the store with her juvenile grandson. She collapsed on the concrete sidewalk and was unresponsive. Becky Pew, a Harris ter employee, immediately responded, rushing to the woman's side to assist. At the same time, Michelle Pharaoh, a customer and former Kittyhawk police officer, uh, also stepped in to help. As Miss Pew called the Dare County Emergency Communications, she noticed the woman had stopped breathing. Miss Pharaoh immediately began performing CPR, and after several cycles, Miss Pew took over to compressions. Both working tirelessly to save a life in crisis. Officer Diego RmIrez was working that day of the Kaw Police Department and was dispatched to the scene. Officer Thomas Southern Shores was working and heard the call on the radio and went ahead and responded as well. Upon arrival, Officer Ramirez uh took over CPR from Mrs. Pew and Mrs. Pharaoh while Officer Long had retrieved and deployed his AED, automated external defibrill. The officers worked in coordination to continue life-saving efforts until Dair County EMS and the Khawk Fire Department arrived and

assumed medical care. Thanks to the immediate and coordinated actions of these four individuals, the victim, though unconscious at the time, regained a pulse and began breathing. She was transported by MedFlight to Norphick for advanced treatment. Though the patient sadly passed away three days later, she did so surrounded by her family. Time made possible by the swift and selfless intervention at the scene. Today we honor Becky Pew, Michelle Pharaoh, Officer Diego RmIrez, and Officer Thomas Long of Southern Shores for their heroic actions and steadfast dedication to preserving life. Their willingness to act without hesitation and in a moment of crisis exemplifies the very best of our community. In recognation recognition of their efforts, which is I am hereby awarding them each with a life-saving award. Congratulations, [Applause] Okay. Congratulations guys and thank you very much. [Applause] Th This is great, folks. This is uh we like to see things like this. And I knew that's why the room was so full tonight. Michelle, you still got it in you, don't you?

Yes, sir. Great job. Thank y'all very much. This is wonderful.

That's good. Uh Lauren, did we have anybody signed up for public comment? We do not have anyone signed up. Okay. Is anyone here tonight would like to come speak at public comment about any topic? Anybody? All right. Thank you, Lauren. Let the record show no one chose to speak, please. Council, I need a motion to approve tonight's consent agenda, please. So moved. Motion made by Charlotte. Second. Second. Second made by Dylan. All in favor? I. All opposed. Thank you so much.

We had no items removed from the consent agenda. Item 8A, council, we need to schedule a public hearing on a text amendment, zoning text amendment. If I could have that motion, please. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to um make motion for the um public hearing for zoning text amendment section 42-74 variances updating language related to align with the state statutes. That's for no the November 3rd, 2025 meeting. Correct.

Exactly. Okay. Do we have a second? Second. Second made by Jeff. All in favor say I. I.

I. All oppose. Very good. Thank you, Sh. Next, we have a uh commercial site plan review which is just down the road from us. As you as you know, uh Rob is not here to speak, but I assume that everyone here has had a chance to look at it. And if you had any questions, now is the time to I know someone representing the applicant is is here tonight. If council would like to hear from her, I'll ask her to come up. Is that what you'd like? Come on up, Lyn. This is Miss Lyn Miles representing the uh applicant. Nice to see you tonight.

Yes. Great. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Um I'm here and happy to answer any questions that you might have regarding our needs for additional parking at our North Campus Health Center. Um so we are excited to look at the opportunity to be able to serve additional patients there. Parking is tight right now and so uh this does offer us the opportunity to have our team members park a little bit further away from the building so that patients have easier access to the facilities.

Thank you, Lynn. Everyone is familiar that it is the lot and in directly in front of Bad Drugs, the the grown lot that is going to be cleared they want to turn into parking area. Do anybody have any questions for Lynn while she's here? [Music] All right, no question. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, council, what would you like to do? [Applause]

Mr. Mayor, I move to grant approval of the commercial site plan for 5133 Per Lane. Thank you, Jeff. We have a second. Second. Okay, we have a motion in a second. Is there any further discussion by council on the staff report? Rob mentioned the signage for the ride out. Do we need to include that condition in the approval? Yes. Yes. Okay. Should we ask the applicant if uh is that okay to include the ride out exit on putter lane? Yes. As a signage only be one way out, right? Yep.

Very good. Anything else? And to be clear, so the motion is as presented by staff. Well, Rob, correct? Correct. Okay. Yes. Correct. Correct. Pretty straightforward. Yep. All right. Council, do I have a motion? Yep. Yeah. I'll make a motion. Second. We've already got Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I. All opposed.

Okay. Go fix your parking lot. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Item nine, council. We have to make an appointment to the newly formed Dare Housing Foundation. Uh it was previously a task force. Melody and I were members and I know uh Dare County met this morning and made a decision on funding two $200,000 for two years on an annual basis. Uh they made their appointments. Each town is making an appointment. Uh, Dar County is also offering office space, I believe, too. Correct, Donna? Is that correct? Good. So, uh, I wish that we could wait until the December meeting after the elections to make this decision, but that is not an option, and I I kind of disappointed that it's not. So, I'll entertain a motion for nominations to the DARE Housing Foundation, please. And I and I before we make any motions, there are other times in the same situation who may have to make another appointment in December depending on how the elections go. We are not the only ones in that situation.

U Mr. Mayor, uh I I believe that our planner is the most qualified person to hold that position. um he knows the ordinances and all of the ins and out of of development. Um I don't know. I tend to agree. Unfortunately, Rob is not here to accept. It's not here. So, and I do believe the preference is an elected official. It is. I have. Yeah. Yes. That's what we were told. Is that correct, Donna? Miss Grief?

Yes, sir. That's the preference, but it can certainly staff person and I want to say that if the appoint

make it subject to Rob's acceptance upon return certainly can which can be done outside of public hearing because you've made the vote or if that's the way you uh it will have been public. Is that your nomination? Well, I'm I was just, you know, I think I think he'd be good for that role. I do. Uh but I mean, if anybody I I will annominate Rob for the for our representative on the board. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Sorry, Dylan.

All right. Do we have any further nominations? I'm going to nominate Charlotte Walker. Do we have a second? Okay, I do not have a second. I'll second Charlie as well. I I think I think both would be great. I mean, both be great. Rob would be great. I'm looking at your real estate past experience, too. Donna, you mind? Would you prefer a council member? That's what I would like to ask too. Yes, please do. Yeah, I want Donna to be happy. Keep me up here an hour. Okay. I've already been up at the county board meeting for an hour this morning. So,

you always bring a big crowd. So, a lot. So,

um but I do have to go to Duck for the voters thing. So, I'm glad I'm here for this. I wasn't anticipating any questions. The way that the bylaws are written, it prefers elected officials. Obvious for obvious reasons. Um the paperwork that we're filing with the federal government to get our tax exempt status is based on the premise that um government officials are involved. That gives it more standing, if you will. And so it certainly won't be um a a killing the deal if you guys don't have an elected official on there, but it is the preference. I will tell you that next head has uh Andy Garmin on there as the town manager now and I'm thinking that's probably because of the same situation that they have an election and that they just weren't sure who was going to be elected. So if you want to do Rob, Rob is certainly qualified to do that. Um but there is a preference to have an elected official. But I did check with the attorney that we're working with. So we have to put in the slate of names on the initial filing. Um when we file the first tax return, you have to put the same slate of names on there. So, if there is a change, you can reflect the change then. So, don't feel like you're bound by this. If we get into it and Rob attends several meetings and then after the election, you guys decide that you want to go with an elected official, we'll certainly accommodate that. And council, just be aware, Melody and I have on on the former task force that was under Donna. Uh Melody and I were the Kittyhawk representatives. Obviously, I would not be up for reappoint because I'm not running for reelection here. So, uh I just thought I'd throw that out there. Donna makes a very good point. We can choose someone if we have to later on choose another name.

Well, I'm going to I'm going to defer to Donna with all respect. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to retract my uh uh appointment of Rob. Uh I I'm going to go with the recommendation of of the the force the the committee. Um if that's what they recommend, then that's what I want them to have. So Okay. So you've withdrawn your name. Okay. And is your motion not for Charlotte Walker? We have the motion and the second. I think we have already the only one going to vote. Everybody good? Charlotte, would you accept? I will be happy to. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All in favor of Charlotte Walker, please signify by saying I. I. All opposed. Very good.

Thank you, Charlotte. And thank you, Donna. Thank you, Donna. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Mer. You're welcome. And uh Lauren, if we can officially send that name in tomorrow morning, please. Thank you. Okay. 9B, internet service provider. I know Melody has has sent us some good information here about the internet. Uh I I was speaking with Melody and Lauren right before the meeting. Uh this building has never had good internet service. I can't connect you on this.

And Lauren, Yep. We lose it some here during our meetings. And Lauren says her back office, she loses it a lot. So whether this is a solution or if it's the building or what but uh let's hear the presentation please.

Okay. I knew I know you had a letter in your in your packet but I know sometimes just giving the highlights in a presentation. So I I did a presentation today because I knew there had been some questions asked. So this is the proposal to bring better internet reliability to town hall, the fire department and then provide backup uh satellite service for town hall, the fire department and the police department. So the summary is uh we have regularly experienced periods of unre unreliability with both of our internet service provider and backup providers. We continually experience with trying to stream this meeting and people at home constantly say we can't get this meeting and that's because our internet speed is too slow to provide the more modern type of of of technology. Uh this occurs normal normal working hours and it also during periods of emergency management activation. Internet reliability became a primary discussion this summer during our emergency preparedness sessions. As a result, we asked Sion to provide us with available options and make some recommendations. So, we got those a couple weeks ago. So our proposal along with Shan who understands this much better than many of us do um is to have fiber internet for town hall and the fire department. The police department luckily already has fiber. um it came with fiber and that makes our IT people extremely happy and I think that they have noticed a definite difference in their speed and reliability at the police department

since moving in. Also, um we currently have a backup internet provider. So, if our internet goes down, um it's supposed to kick on to the backup. Um we would like to change that to a satellite provider. It is not your normal household satellite. It's called Starlink and it's a whole different product that's available now. And this backup would be for town hall, fire, and police. You may be wondering about public works. Um, I asked Willie if he thought he needed it. He really is the only user in his department and because of the expense, we decided not to go with him. And he has a laptop. So he can come and hook up anywhere. So I um I asked him not to feel left out and he said he was okay.

You still okay?

So the advantages of fiber is the ultra fast speed. It um has a much faster download upload than cable or DSL. symmetrical speeds, meaning it's all it's equally going up and uploading and equally downloading. It has a higher reliability. It's less affected by weather distance or interference. Right now, when spectrum goes out, we go out. Um when Bright Speed goes out, we go out. So, it's a little bit more reliable. Um it also has a low latency. I'm not exactly sure what latency means, but it is ideal for video calls and and cloud-based applications, which is what we use almost for everything. Now, the bandwidth handles many devices and heavy use, so you can ramp up your usage of your fiber. It's scalable and and ready for future internet demands. And again, it's businessfriendly. It's great for cloud services, backups, and remote work. And the advantages of the Starling satellite as backup, it's far less expensive than we thought um it was going to be. Number one. Number two, the liability is less affected by weather distance or physical damage or infrastructure. Uh satellites are closer their particular satellites are closer to earth than traditional satellites which helps reduce roundtrip signal delay. And this seems to be the the backup that a lot of people who have emergency management services are going with. So the onetime fee to do all of this is $6,400.

Most of that is social fee. Um the cost to impact the budget. Um, and this is like the monthly payments annually is $3,768 more than what we're paying. And again, that's a year. So, we're looking at starting this in January if it's approved. So, this year, we would need an additional $1,884, which is half of the 3,768. Um so again if approved we would do a budget amendment next meeting and we would ask for a transfer from the IT development capital reserve fund to put it into the general fund and cover this expense. The IT reserve fund typic already has $53,400 for this year. So, um, and as far as I know at this moment, we do not have anything else that's planned for that, but we do put money away for internet and I information technology services in case something arises.

Okay, that's all. Thank you, Melody. Uh, sounds like something that's needed, but councelor, do you have any questions for Melody or before we move further? Any questions at all? I have a couple questions. All right. When the internet went down previously, did our current backup not work as well? Well, what happens is the internet doesn't to the backup does work when the internet goes totally down like Spectrum loses service or what have you.

Um, Bright Speed is not nearly as quick as even Spectrum. So we experience very slow response at that point. Um what usually happens is spectrum loses its service but it doesn't completely go out right and so then brighteed doesn't come on as our backup because spectrum isn't technically down. So it's like an automatic transfer. Yeah. Is there any way to do a manual transfer to where you can completely shift over?

There is. And so has to do that for us. We learned that. I didn't even know that was a thing and that that was happening because I was like, we have backup. Why isn't the internet working? And we found out that sometimes the speed of the internet drops down and then even though it's not working for us, the backup doesn't come on because the initial provider is still kind of slowly working. So the yearly change that we would see would be that $3,700 a year budget for that and the next budget, right? And there's nothing bookmarked for the $53,000 IT development. Not right now. That's there for things like this. Correct.

Okay. Me, we were discussing earlier that the people are watching at home have we've heard from them every hour on the hour it kicks out right now during this meeting. Will that alleviate that? It should because fiber has a higher speed. Okay. And uploading and downloading is much easier. Okay. Thank you. Are are we hardwired for fiber here? It will be I mean that's part of this fee. Yes. Um that's part of the upfront cost. Okay.

The town hall to be completely transparent. We can get right speed fiber. The fire department cannot. So they would stay with spectrum fiber. So we would but it was less expensive to go with bright speed for us. And in in case of like say like in Asheville when they lost everything internet power all phone lines is this similar to the Starlink that they set up there that you were talking about? Okay.

And we would have it on all of our we would have it on all of our buildings. So it would be something would be going on at the police department, the town hall and the fire department and that should eliminate us like in a hurricane from having total loss of communication should help us. Yes. Okay. Willie, are you sure? Yeah. Okay. That that brings me to a question though. If if if station's going to do fiber for this Starlink, then why can't you like link into the bright link fiber that's offered on the bypass? Totally different. Well, Starlink is satellite. That's good.

So, that's our backup a satellite and fiber will be our per our primary and that will be brighteed fiber. Okay. For us spectrum fiber for the fire department. So, there's no additional cost to drill in the line if it's not in the close proximity. Okay. All right. Any more questions for Melody? Good presentation, Melanie. Okay. Council, what would you like to do here?

Mr. Mayor, I'd like to recommend approval of the installation of fiber internet service at the town hall and the fire department and authorized Starlink as a backup provider uh with associated funding adjustments outline transfer from information systems capital reserve fund. Thank you, Jeff. Do we have a second? Second. Second by David in Charlotte. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. All oppose. Okay. So, that will probably be on your consent agenda next month, the transfer. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, council. Sounds like that's something we very much needed for a long time.

All right. Old business. Ebike. Let's talk about some ebikes some more. I see Mr. Chuck is here and he's ready to hear this.

I wish I had better information for you. Um, I've done a lot of research for ebikes and I know Casey's looked into the topic as well. Um, the current North Carolina law does not address ebikes. And as a town, we cannot do anything greater than the law. Um, and ebikes are considered regular bicycles in the state of North Carolina. Um, so they define ebikes as less than 750 watt motor. You when I go on when I Googled Amazon about ebikes, I mean they were,00 you couldn't even find a 750 watt. Um, they treated they treat the bicycle as the same. No license, no registration, no insurance is required. Helmets are required only under the age of 16. And these are bicycle goals. At night, you must have a rear reflector, a white front light visible from 300 ft and either a red rear light or bright reflective clothing visible from 300 ft. So these are the current bicycle and therefore ebike laws. Um, local governments and land managers may impose additional rules as long as bicycles and ebikes are treated the same. Um, North Carolina, I'm sad to say, is very, very, very much behind other states. About 30 other states have adopted like a a tiered definition of ebikes. Um, like class one, two, and three. uh that we don't have any safety requirements except for the uh 16 year old age. Um our trail and path access rules are inconsistent across the towns, counties, and state and federal lands

and there's just a local patchwork of policies and and different things and it's very very um difficult to enforce. I talked to many of my town manager counterparts and a couple of police chiefs and chief as well and um it's it's just really a difficult responsibility to enforce things. Um it also doesn't cover the faster, more powerful ebikes now on the market, which are mostly all greater than the ones that they define currently. There was a Senate bill 576 that was going through the process um and it it did clarify some things and it had the three class definition and system but it did not go forward. It got left and it and it stalled in session so it did not get approved. Um someone that I spoke to said that our representative stated that we really didn't want to have more rule. North Carolina was a state that didn't want to have a lot of rules. Um, we have spoken collectively amongst my town manager counterparts and you know, we would really all like to see uh us go together and try to encourage our state representatives anyway to do something different. This is the current Kittyhawk town code and kind of just talks about motor vehicles and town bike pass and and so forth. We just kind of follow the state rule and don't really address bicycles too much. Um so as I said here takeaway encourage our

leaders to approve pending legislation perhaps for a countywide resolution. We can up down date our town policy to reiterate the state rules or our ordinance to update our our rules. Um just so that we say what the state says. Again, it's not going to be very enforcable because it's very difficult to tell what kind of bike somebody's riding and what they're doing and so forth. Um update the signs and clarify rules on multi-use paths and I think up with a communication plan and determining our signs and kind of maybe doing some Facebook and some websites and some emails, a video or something just to try to clarify our rules here in Kitty Hall. Um, so unfortunately unless we ban all bikes for multi-use paths, we can't ban ebikes just from multi. Now, golf parks are considered motorized vehicles and they should not be on the multi-use path. Uh, Willie says the only way they can get there is the station and go through. So, if somebody does see a golf cart on our multi-use path, that can be reported to the police and if they can get there and witness it, they can do what they can.

You made a comment that um we can't do more supersede state law, right? But yet, when we talk about our peers and things like that, we're superseding Camel's rules at times. So, help me understand why how we can be more restrictive in one way but not in another. I can't speak to CAM. I I don't It's still a regulatory agency. Sure. So, and I mean I appreciate you doing all that research. I know it's a lot. I know we had talked before and Mr. Chuck maybe updating some signage, clearing some brush for signage and and David, you talked about things you've seen on more shore road before. Uh I think it's a real problem,

but it's it's a problem throughout the whole state. Enforcing it would be impossible. Well, just like giving out, you know, I'm all about communication, but us spending a bunch of money on pamphlets and communication, the parents are going to listen to kids, aren't I? I think it's I think it is what it is until the state does more. I do think we can do some things that don't cost a whole lot of money. We're updating signs and things. I think maybe in our newsletter that goes to the public and Willie found a well unused money today and we talked about through NC do how we might can use that and um you know, exploring things that we can do. Okay. So,

one item too, one reason I would fully support uh Melody did great research. So, it's it reiterates exactly what I found. I mean, the lesson is

it without getting into how fast the bicycle would go, right, the ebike would go, which becomes the conundrum from the enforcement standpoint. I mean, if it's more than 20, technically it's not an ebike and you're subject to some other definition of moped or whatever, but it's almost impossible to to be able, if you will, from an enforcement standpoint to pinpoint that. So, it's not the general rule is if it's treated as an ebike, then it's treated as a bicycle pursuant to North Carolina law. But what I would say is the revisions that Melanie is proposing, one of the key reasons that I would say they need to certainly be considered by you guys is

as we currently read we say moped. Is that correct? Yes.

And moped has actually changed within our general statutes and there's been another definition given to that because otherwise outside of the 50 C motor requirement you're looking at almost the same definition as ebike. So mopeds now are 30 miles per hour or higher. So to get us back into, you know, or 30 miles per hour or less. So to get us back into, you know, conformity with state law, that makes sense as well because the way it currently reads that conflicts with state law because we say mopeds are 20 or less. So really 30 or less is the state's definition of of a moped. So I like I agree with Melany's presentation and her recommendations. And believe it or not, because I teach this, a moped has a motor. Correct.

What's that? A moped has a motor. Correct. And that's where the like I said, outside of that, it is not a motor vehicle, but it's it's got its own classification. It's a vehicle. It's got its own thing. All right. Any any questions from me? I agree. Melody, you did a great job here. Uh can we can we maybe keep looking at this to see what we can do and report back at the next meeting? We can bring back some proposed language just clarifying the state's definitions and it might take us a little longer to come up with a recommended communication plan than next month but we can work on that and see what we can come up with. Sure. Council any more suggestions or

is the the root cause I feel like that this was brought was going fast along the bike path. Is that still the case? That's the That seems to be the issue we see sharing pedestrians and strollers and I think I feel like if we concentrated on the education on on going slow next to pedestrians now whether that works or not I don't know but if that's the problem then I'd like I think that attacking the addressing the problem to me seems instead I it doesn't seem like there's much with just defining the bike doesn't do a whole lot for us. Um, just educating. If we're going to educate, let's educate on going slower next to pedestrians. I think that's a good start. I agree.

I agree. And I think the signage, you know, I I spoke with Willie. I think he told me that there was three three or four Willie. Correct. Three. One beginning, middle, and the end. And and so you know um if the speed limit's 20 I mean if we could say you know if we could kind of like uh when we did the connector trail we put anformational sign that just explained please go under 20 miles an hour da da da da da. We could we could list some of our rules you know for that by please be courteous. Uh, no golf carts allowed. And that way instead of calling the police, you can say, "Well, it was right there on the sign."

I think 20's too much on this on those windy paths. I can't even ride my cannon that fast. If I do, I'd try to stop them and hit somebody. I mean, on on certain, but I don't think we can adjust the speed that you know. I think it Aren't you saying that that's pretty much we can, right? No. Well, it's like this from all bikes. Well, it's like correct. you would if it's effective as the bicycles then yes you could but then it kind of goes back to

how fast do you know when you're you know unless you have an app pulled up on your phone or something it's totally different anybody I haven't seen one that doesn't have the speedometer at least some digital reading of it but yeah that the only issue I would see with that Dave is just the the enforcement but also the the the knowledge as to what it ever whatever it is that a true bike rider traditional bike rider is actually doing. I guess what I'm trying to say is if it's if you're going to talk about a posted speed, why not say 10? It's not about a clocking you with a a radar. It's it's a mindset that 10 is not 20 is all I'm trying to point out. You know,

you get a child in at 20 miles an hour on a bicycle, that child's in a lot of trouble. Yeah. No. Well, and that there was a case in Wilmington that that's what spawned the original House bill that kind of died. There was where a child got hurt severely on a multi-use path because an ebike was going excessive speed, right? I mean, that but now this ebike wasn't this ebike was one of those that'll suit up to like 40. So, this was one of those really powerful ebikes that should have been honestly licensed and registered with, you know, with the state, but um that's what prompted it. And again, it died. It made it to the labor commission. I think it died.

Well, I again I I'm not talking about a radar type shooting of a a bicycle. I just think if we're going to speak about a posted speed limit, it should be very low just from a psychological. Right. Right. And I mean, I do think I I've not seen anything that says as long as we don't impose it on bicycles as well that it's disallowed. I guess it just comes down to what you guys think is most practical. And maybe for more shore road we use a much bigger sign that's out there now. A bigger yellow like in your face kind of sign cuz it's so windy and that grass grows up so much. You can't see here to that corner.

Maybe even I'll just toss this out there, but Jeff is from what I was hearing from Jeff, it's almost not even a posted speed limit sign like you would see on a town or a state street. It's really more informative based, which if you put up there, if we put on theformational sign that any ebike, you know, an ebike is one that does not exceed 20 miles per hour. I mean, you're not discriminating against bicycles. You're just defining what the state says an ebike is, which gives them notice that I'm not supposed to be going over 20 miles per hour. But I get what you're saying, too, about the,

you know, the the idea of it it being too fast. And for me, it's not just about Morsore Road, though. It's about all of Kittyhawk. I've seen people going down the beach road flying on those things. Um, that's totally out of our jurisdiction, unfortunately. That's the state. I understand. But it's in Kittyhawk in general killed all the hills. And yeah, now I watch the ebike, you know, run into the back of a car at a crosswalk. So, I mean, it's just it's just as much for their protection as it is for the person riding the bike as it is for the person that could get hit in my mind. Yeah. Oh, I agree. Yeah. So, I take issue with the fact that the definition of a bike and an ebike are the same.

Yeah. And you or treated the same. Let's put it that way. And that's and that was a whole idea behind that House bill that or Senate bill. I can't remember if it was Senate bill. Senate bill that Melody was talked 576. It was to create the ability to distinguish and regulate the two differently. Right. That was the whole idea behind it. Well, they'll be back in session in the fall. So, it might come back up. We'll have to wait and see. Maybe, but right now, this is unfortunately we're stuck with the regulation of ebikes can't exceed whatever we or however we regulate a bicycle. All right, guys. Everybody good with letting me do a little more research maybe and report back at a future date. Okay.

Agree with everybody? Thank you for what you've done. Hard work. I've learned a lot. Okay. Uh, mayor, I have to scoot out here. A little emergency. Do you have any I did not. Nobody was going to report that. I don't have anything on my agenda. Thank you. I'll continue to keep you guys updated on white street as well. This is what we want to hear. Thank you.

Time manager report. Melody. Well, um so we are re- roofing the medical side of um the police department building at 5200 North Croton Highway and actually is almost near completion and Lily said it is the best nail cleanup job that he has ever ever seen. So kudos to our contractor.

Um we had a lot of events in October. October is a very busy month for everyone. Um, this Saturday we have Keep It Clean Kittyhawk will take place um at 10:00 here at Town Hall. It's rain or shine, I'm told. There's still some time to sign up to be a volunteer. And at noon, lunch will be provided to all to everyone. Uh, this year we have the privilege of having 40 students from East Carolina University who are doing their community project and they're all signed up to participate. So, um, please come out. It's not too late. Also, on Saturday, the Kittyhawk PD will be at the Bath House Beach Access for Faith and Blue Sand Sculpture Contest. And I think that's very interesting. So, if you have time to go out on the beach, uh, that would be great.

What's the time on that? Uh, two. 2 PM starts at two. Okay.

Thank you. Mhm. Uh on October 13th starts our vegetative debris collection with public works. Please have everything out in the rightway by October 12th. Lily says that if you don't have it out when the collection begins, it will not be picked up. So you can refer to our website about what is you able to be put out there and the sizes and everything. Uh on October 14th at 7 PM, the League of Women Voters will be hosting the Kittyhawk Municipal Election Candidate Forum at 7 o'clock p.m. here at Town Hall. Uh October 23rd is one of our most popular events. It's the outdoor movie night at 6 PM here at Town Hall. The feature film will be Halloween Town. Uh the bath house is set to close on October 27th. The portaotties at all of the other beach accesses will also be removed around the same time. And finally, on October 30th at 1000 p.m. 10:00 a.m., excuse me, the Outer Banks health coach will be here to provide free flu shots and health screens. So,

what was that? October 30th, 10 a.m. Do we have a time for the movie? Movie is 6 pm. Okay. Thank you. Oh, sorry. I'm being told it's 6:30. 6:30. We have to let it get dark. Okay. Got it. Got it. That it. That's enough. That is it. I've been talking too much. Thank you, Melody. Uh, Casey is gone. Time council. David, you want to start? Nothing. Thanks. You want anything? Dylan,

I just want to echo job well done to Miss Pew, Miss Pharaoh, officers RmIrez, and officers Long on the life-saving efforts. It's what a great thing to hear about. That's all I have. Thank you, Jeff.

Uh, yes. I'd uh also like to I know Diego RmIrez is was mentioned earlier with the life saving award, but uh recently um there was a string of breakins in Kittyhawk and uh Officer Ramirez was the one handling it and has done a fine job of of locating or or finding out who it was and the residents of that area are extremely happy with the the job that he did. That's all I have. Thank you, Dean.

I would also like to echo what Dylan said about our life saving awards that were given out tonight. And um I'm pretty good.

Okay. Again, that was wonderful. The life-saving award. That's great work. Uh Chief, thank you for all your your work on that matter. Thank you very much. Uh, I'm going to say this in my in my motion, but I want to make sure the public knows our next meeting the 3rd, 2025 will be at 5:00 p.m., not 6, be 5:00 p.m. because the election is the next day and we uh started that practice a few years ago to give the election workers time to set up for the next day. Any further discussion from council? If not, I'm going to make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Tonight's meeting is November 23rd. November, excuse me, November 3rd, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. Do I have a second?

Second. Second. All in favor say I. I. We are ajourned. Thank you everybody for coming. Okay,

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