City Council - Regular Meeting

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Welcome to the February 23rd, 2026 regular schedule city council meeting. Would you all please rise and say the pledge of allegiance with me? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Thank you. John here. John Fer. Mark here. Rosber here.

All right. That takes us to our very first public participation. You want to come up and talk to us about city stuff, please feel free to come up to the podiums, please sure and spell your leave your name and your address and you have five minutes. Anybody is welcome. That takes us to the consent agenda. Shelly. Item A. Motion to approve the minutes of the February 2nd, 2026 regular session. I will entertain a motion to pass the consent agenda. So move second. All those in favor of passing the consent agenda say I.

I. All oppose. Passes. Five in favor. Zero oppos. That takes us to appointments. Shelly. Uh I have no appointments at the time. We do still have openings on the code board of appeals and the park. All right, that takes us to our city manager report. Scott,

um so we did have the bid opening on the city hall roof repair that'll be coming to you next week. We have another meeting next week on the second. Um the fire suppression water line has been installed into the building. Um, we met with the prosecutor for municipal code issues. That went extremely well and they're figuring out how to do the ticketing and all that. So, you should see some updates on that. I'll have them come in and give an update on how how that process is going to look when we get closer. Um, I didn't want to get too detailed. They did the the fire first fire building incident. Um, the chief held a debrief

a debrief kind of a summary. um that had good participation from outside agencies. Uh let's see, MML legislative conference was last week. Shel and I attended that. And then today, the Northwest um water distribution group met with the USDA representatives. You were there, ma'am? Yeah, that was real fun. It was a kind of a coring up meeting. They're gonna push they're trying to push for closure and summary. Um shooting for June 1st. We're hoping that's gonna be the water coming before them, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is all the financing and all the closeout documents for USDA to get done.

So, they I've heard what next week we keep until next week again. When someone asks you a question all the time, you tell them next week. Yeah. So, it should be Yeah, we should be moving water here for sale shortly. DNR has all the information that they need on the elevation as well as the stated system. So the pictures have been taken and so now they can release it for sale. So So those are all the updates I have as of the package going.

Any questions for Scott? Comments? Um I I've got a question for you actually with the um building it I noticed that it said that it had to have prevailing wage. What is the difference between that as an emergency issue and the buildings that were up on third the Gina own? What do you mean? Are you Well, I thought that those didn't have to have prevailing wage because there was an emergency there. No, that was not prevailing wage because there was an an emergency or a non-emergency. That was non-p prevailing wage because the amount came in below the prevailing wage.

Well, and demolition isn't covered under prevailing wage. This unfortunately this situation does have some more besides what occurred up there that will trigger prevailing wage. Okay. It's anything over 75,000

and that is the price threshold. But demolition, he is correct. Demolition is typically excluded from prevailing wage. However, demolition, cleanup, remediation of buildings like that, especially ones with fire are not included within that. I will note though that the city's dangerous building ordinance tracks with state law and does require that 25% of the insurance proceeds be provided to the city so the city can if the property owners do not remediate the conditions the city can utilize that 25% to recoup its costs in remediation.

Okay. And on the 112 east third since it was federal dollars that takes in the prevailing wage as well. right now. Yeah, I got that part. That's the difference in between the two. Okay. All right. Um, that was it for me.

That takes us to the city hall update. So, I don't have any additional new updates. I'm We have that on there every time. I don't know if you want to keep that on there or just have progress updates when we have changes. Um I generally I would think that it would be in the manager. What is this? You always they always put it in the manager report but it's always also on the agenda and I'm not going to skip it. Sure. Sure. We can take it out. Is there any update on the engineering? That is still being discussed. We should have an update for council soon. soon meaning like within a month or so

before then. Oh, good. All right, that takes us to unfinished business. There is none. So, that moves us on to new business, Shellyley. Resolution 2026-12. Resolution 2026-12, a resolution of the city council of the city of Cameron, Missouri to enter into a contract with Axon Enterprises, Inc. for the purchase of incar cameras, body cameras, and tasers. I will say that right. Okay. I will entertain a motion to pass resolution 2026-12. So move second. Discussion,

mayor, council. Thank you. Um, so back in 2021 when we got the first set of Durango, we purchased uh body cameras, incar cameras from WatchGuard, who is a uh who was purchased by Motorola. Um, since then we have had reliability issues from the start. Um, as of right now, out of the eight body cameras that we currently have, I only have three that are working. The other six are sitting in my office broke. Um, every DVR in the car, all six DVRs had have been replaced. Um, and they're going into recovery mode. They're not capturing things. So, um, I task my staff with going out and, uh, finding a new company, a new brand that is reliable. Um, Axon Enterprise is used throughout the country. They're like the they're the number one uh, brand for body cameras and incar cameras. Uh, so we had them give us a bid on replacing all this equipment. Um, it come in at 29,826.90. Um, as we bundled the tasers into this, so our tasers that we have, we can't get cartridges anymore for them. We can't get batteries for them anymore. So, they're basically obsolete. So, we're wanting to go to the Taser 10. Um, so once they bundled all this together, uh, we got a discount of about $100,000, which took us down to the 209 82690. Um, and with the Axon system, anytime within the first five in the first five years, if anything uh goes wrong, we get

brand new equipment. Um, in two and a half years, we'll get eight new body cameras at no charge. We send the old, we send the our current ones in. If if we go with this company, we'll send those eight in that we first get and then it and then they replace it with uh eight new ones. Um at the end of that five years, they'll replace all the equipment. Uh the equipment is ours. So at the end of five years, if anything has changed, they'll replace that equipment as long as we stay with the contract with them. And after that five years, the contract will be cheaper that because we're paying for the equipment now. Um, we would I want to pay for this out of our public safety tax. Um, it's a yearly charge of 41,96538. I spoke with Carmen. Um, that's less than I make a month in sales tax for one month. So, um, we we feel that this is a a good investment for the city and for the police department, uh the citizens. We we want to show transparency. So, if we tell somebody, "Oh, well, we don't have that." You know, that's going to make us look like we're hiding something. Um, also on this new system is uh it comes with an LPR, which is a license plate readers. Every camera in the car will have a license plate reader. That license plate reader will read 900 plates a minute, whereas it takes a officer one to two minutes to do it manually over the radio. Um, the LPR will tell us if it's a stolen vehicle, if the drivers wanted, there's several things that this will tell the officer in the car that's passing by with the license plate reader. Um, so basically we're just asking that uh we approve this so we have better equipment and it will last longer than what we have now.

Um, you said the first five years then you do another contract. Is that other contract after that every five years? Is that how that works? Yes. Yes. and they'll once we stay in the contract with them the seven and a half years we'll get another new set of body cameras. So in the first five years say the incar camera changes we'll get that for free we send the old one back to them. So then in the five years, if they have something new, we'll get all brand new equipment as long as we stay under contract with them. And again, we we'll own the equipment. So we'll still have we'll still have a contract with them for uh storage and stuff like that, but it won't be that expensive.

Talking with Captain Oil about it as well. Don't they have a software that also helps with the editing and the pushing out for our records? Yes.

Records. Yeah. So right now, um, our records clerk, 90 90 to 95% of her job is, uh, we're, uh, copying out videos. So from the cars and incar cameras, she has to go in and edit anything from mules because that is not releasable to the public. So most of her day consists and since everything is video, most of her day consists of uh redacting all those videos and she has to watch it frame by frame by frame. So if it's a six-hour video, she's got to sit there for six hours and watch that video. So this the software that comes with this will free up her job a little bit too. So

his new budget starts July 1. October 1. October 1st. Okay. So is this in? So this will you want this now? Yes. I I will pay for this out of my sales tax and it's it's a yearly fee of 4196538 a year. So do they cover you with training for all of this too? Yes. And their company will come in and install all the equipment. That's that's included in this. That's pretty good. And then and then you get the annual fee is the 42,000. Yes. Right. And that's to buy the equipment.

Is that going to leave me plenty in reserve? Like you don't see obviously you wouldn't be asking for it if

if uh my my goal when I took over as chief is to get my uh tax to a million dollars because everybody said in five years my tax would be gone. I'm almost to that million dollars and we have freed up dispatches overtime from coming out of the tax. We take that now out of the dispatch uh budget. So that free that's bringing up about 25 to $30,000 a month I think it is. I think we spent 250 to 300,000 a year on their overtime. So we've moved that to come out of the dispatch. So, um, a little bit of theirs comes out because it has to, they said, due to the, uh, uh, resolution that we did back in 19, but the majority of their overtime now comes out of that. So, yes, I wouldn't be asking if, like you said, I wouldn't be asking if

I just wanted it to be said. Yeah. Nope. But, uh, we're I'm almost to my goal, a million dollars in that tax. And again, that's for equipment, recruitment, retention, etc. So, is there an interest rate being charged on that 41,000 or is it I I was trying to look through I don't believe so. I I looked through the contract. I couldn't find anything but Yeah, I don't believe there is. Okay. Yeah, I couldn't find. So, you're going to get your license plate read whether you want it or not. Yep. Correct. That's correct. Is this going to decrease the population of Cameron by the capital in all these people?

It might actually increase if they'll be on the river more manageable. And most of the towns around us have this system, right? And they have the flock system which is a stationary LPR reader. All right. All those in favor of passing resolution 2026-12, say I. I. All oppose. Passes. Five in favor, zero oppos. Thank you.

That takes us to resolution 2026-13. Shelly. Resolution 2026-13. A resolution for the city of Cameron, Missouri, accepting bids for the BB Highway sewer main extension project and awarding the bid to Aay Construction. I would entertain a motion to pass resolution 2026-13. Second, discussion. Would you like me to present on the item? Yes.

So, we did receive 12 bids. Um, the low bid was a bay. They have actually previously worked here. They were um Scott Fleming, our engineer from HDR, reviewed the bids. They con consistently worked with us on the Griffith Road project, Griffin Road about five years ago. So they were they changed their name. Yeah, they basically Blue Nile. Blue Nile.

So we did receive the several bids, 12 bids, the little bid. Um, so this is a 12-in saneitary sewer line main south from the city's existing 24-in sewer main just east of the city's animal shelter. Um, it goes along the east side of the cemetery fence continuing with the four under highway BB to about 50 ft south of the rightway there on Highway B. Um, it's 1,600 linear feet and the total bid came to $679,175. Looks like we had a a homeboy put a bid in. I have What do you mean?

I have some concerns about this. One of the things is that it seems like on our bigger projects that we've had in town recently that the bottom of the bottom of the bid, bottom of the barrel bid is just not working well. Um, and I'm curious how this company can come in $111,000 cheaper than the second highest bidder. Um, they're the youngest company on there, which I I not necessarily good or bad. Um, but that is just a big uh a big variance for me. So, you know, usually on quotes, I like to take the bottom and the high out of the equation and then figure what's left. Um, what's interesting is that makes the overall average 84248. um which puts several of the contractors uh within three or $4,000 of the average. So I I don't know. I don't know. I I don't like bottom of the barrel and running off of um penalties and overages and everything else. I'm just curious.

That happened in Northland, I guess. Yeah, it's happened in a lot of lot of the projects that we've had. So, you know, you get what you pay for and I don't know that we want another headache that just that that's a that's a big sum of money to be different than the others. Well, we've worked with them before they worked with us before, right?

Yeah. The one favorable thing we have is this isn't a complicated project and it's not that much length and they have a proven track record. I I would hate I would hate to go to the public and say, you know, my gut instinct was I just wanted to pay more for this because I thought I would get better service, but I don't know in this case that that would be the same. I don't think it's equivalent. Do you have someone that you see on there that you

I don't No, I don't I don't I don't have I mean, we've got the local guy that's within $6,000 of the average if you take the high and the low out. Um, but I just, you know, I I my research did not show that AB and Blue Nile separated. Um, you know, I'm not going to argue with the experts, but they're still two totally separate companies that are still in business today. So, uh, Abeay was is four years old, and I just that's curious on prevailing wage, right, Patrick, how they can be that far off. The only thing I'll add is that HDR and they took all of the bids. They took the B the lowest three bids and they researched all of them and did references on all of them.

Yeah, Scott Scott Fleming did all of the contacts and all the reference works. So, I I don't know. Maybe they own their boring machine or there might be some reason why their bids more attainable than the others. Some of the bids were pretty high. Yeah. Yeah. And I I threw those out as well. So, anything over a million I took out just in my math, but I don't know. We've had other people recommend other companies. It didn't work out well. So,

you're going to get criticized either way you do that. Someone's always trying to itch complain and whatever. So whether it's high too low kind of a rock hard spot. Do they have a certain amount of time that this needs to be done? Yeah, this is just awarding the bid so that they can then turn around and get some of the other required documents ready.

It'll it'll come back. That's another resolution to approve. our our attorneys drafted the ST standard generalized contract which we didn't put out in this bid notice. Um so they they this is a notice of award. They usually do that on bigger projects and then we'll bring you back the contract. We we would kind of prefer to bring you everything at once but the process was set up this way and the engineers more familiar do it. Any other questions? We all know that this is for TA truck stuff, right? Okay. I know you. We knew it was going to cost a lot of money. Actually, we were told it's going to cost more than this actually.

All right. All those in favor of passing resolution 2026-13, say I. I. All oppose. Yay. Passes. Four in favor, one opposed. That was Yes. That was a yay or a nay? Nay. No. All you got to do is say abstain and she goes she automatically makes it a no. All right. That takes us to our discussion with true VIP communication system.

Sure. So I thought was No worries. So um we started looking into uh the uh voice phone systems for the whole city. Um we started this what Ryan a few months ago. Yeah.

And uh so we uh contacted Ryan and Lyall with uh True Boy. They came over to give us a uh demonstration and it's on you. We came back last week and did a walk through of all the city buildings. Pretty much have everything as far as we need that way. Anybody has any questions as far as the implementation would go.

I just want to add that that they did get oral quotes from several companies and Screw Boy came back and was highly recommended and was was um the the most economical. So with the Bright Speed fire, we still city hall uh fire department, we still don't have our our phone our phones here are being rerouted through something else through Bright Speed. And I don't know if y'all seen my post the other day, but our phones were out here. So we had to go back to the uh um temporary lines that they given us. Um and I helped out in dispatch on Saturday. Um, I helped cover the radio Saturday for a 12-h hour shift. And between myself and the other dispatcher, I think we took about 80 rooc calls. I would pick it up, hello, nobody's there. I'd hang it up and ring right back. Between us in 12 hours, I think we got 80 robocalls. This phone system here that we're looking at should stop 99.9% of this, right?

It does. Okay. So that's that frees up our phone system for actual people that need us or need city hall or whatever. So how do you how does the technology stop the rooc calls because go ahead. So we have there's a couple different ways we can go about it. I mean we talked about doing auto attendant correct that robocalls don't get um so that's one way. Another way is you would have access to a portal and any number that you saw. You can add it to a block color list. Okay, that's what I was wondering is

so we we like the auto attendant because that should just that should knock it off right there because they're not going to press one or whatever. So, um that's that's what I would recommend. Shelley, I don't know, Scott. I don't know what you guys would recommend or fill, but uh we we wouldn't use an auto attendant here at the police department. Are any of the robocalls on the 911 line? No, 911 is totally it's it's not even connected to the outside world. Um so they it all just comes through on our desktop. Yes. Good. Yeah, we've getting a lot of them in our office.

Yes. It's it's just crazy. It's ridiculous. I will say that that Phil um managed two conversions of VO with his previous employer. So we were really happy to have his knowledge and experience and ask questions but we didn't know to ask about lines and so you like the system. Um yes I like the idea of having phones that we can use. Well, Bryceby came to my house to sell me their their internet. Their internet. Yeah. And he laughed like this 30 minutes later after I lectured him about whatever. He had no idea. He was none of the city. Yeah.

So, so we're not using voicemail. We can't, you know, really can't transfer calls. We have cordless phones that we toss across the room to each other. They'll call in to the city hall number and you can hear them, but they can't hear the staff. Um, and Brian, correct me if I'm wrong. Um, the one of the concerns was when city hall moves, um, this is basically plug and play, right? So, when they come back to city hall, all they got to do is unplug the phone, plug it in here, and they're up and going. So, is there a phone or something? You know, it's all internet, right? All internet. So, if the internet goes down, then they're not going to have phone service either.

Correct. True. That's when you start using your own cell phon. But there is a there is a backup plan for that. So with each extension they can people can download mobile app to their cell phone which you're using your cell phone but if you were to make a call on it shows coming from your office number. And how many times have you had that happen? Not very well it doesn't happen often but it could unless you're using price. I don't use price, but they they do have some stuff in place for that. When could this be functional?

I think I mean, Phil and I will have a few things to discuss as far as programming and stuff like that. We we're currently collecting the number that the stuff you asked for. Yes. So, I would say two to three weeks. Was that Was that fair? Yeah, that's that's great. And did it's been a minute since we talked numbers on this, but didn't you say that it was cheaper in the long run than Bryce? Yeah. Cheaper. It's cheaper a month than what we're paying right a month. It's $1,1200. Yeah.

And I'm not sure our so our service or like our tech support is included in that. So if you guys have to have us come out to do stuff or name changes, things like that, there's an initial outlay for equipment, but then the month of month charges are significantly. So I guess what what we're asking here is we bring a resolution back to the next meeting for to go with the the VO system with True Void. And I apologize. I was told that they were going to be here to speak tonight, but they just completely left it off. That's why they

No worries. What's our internet speed that we have that we're paying for? The last document I saw on it, it talked like the city hall had a 75 megabit and there was a suggestion of going up to a faster speed, which with the BIP phones, it would probably make sense for us to be working into that as well. Um, but that document I think was also written prior to their introduction to their temporary location. So I I do not know what the current speed is the office location. Be something to find out. We're with United Fiber. I have no idea. You've got there's lots of different plans to go with and several of them were at a lower level plan than what could be gone to. So there's room to grow that. If we have to grow in our room, we can do that.

But typically I did not notice that there was much need from my prior experience to have a higher speed. it unless you had thousands of people calling, we're not going to have that. So, right. Is that about right? Correct. But we would have a lot of people utilizing internet. Yeah. Every time you're pulling anybody, it's going to it's going to drop it a little bit. Um, we do have to be more mindful of the types of traffic. And if there's ways for us to segregate phone traffic on our networks versus the data, we would we will try to.

Okay. If we can't do that, then we will we'll figure those out. But I didn't really notice that being much of an issue um out at Cameron Mutual when we hadund and some odd people that were using the system. So, okay. Plus data. So, right. Okay. Okay. No, just something I was thinking about and it's not going to be costwise. It's not going to be much different if you're I think we wanted a gig and I think it's only like 100 bucks or something. Sure. It's a little different for city and and businesses, but it's not much different. I know the PD and fire our our bill is like

I think our bill is like 69 bucks a month for United or so. Yeah, that's if we have to bump our we can that's not a big issue. So we do I just was I was just curious though that making sure someone had looked at it to make sure someone with servicing. Okay. Any other questions?

All right. A resolution. Are you guys good with us bringing a resolution back next meeting? Okay. Thank you.

All right. That takes us to the discussion of fire department storage facility. Okay. Um start out I have at this point our department um in our bays we we are real short of space. We are crammed in the back uh really hard. Um and I keep all my equipment inside. I don't my trailers and everything I keep inside. uh it's just better on it what's inside it. It keeps it more of a constant temperature than out in the sun or out in the cold. So, and the police department has some of their things stored in the back also. So, we share the facility. Uh we've always done that. We do a good job of that. Um taking care of each other. Uh we also share in the winter time I share space for puts inside if I possibly can to keep snowing pretty outside. Um so I I started looking thinking about what can I do to expand the facility and as you know I've expanded this facility twice already. Um, I expanded uh storage and bay space and I expanded a a office and pretty much taken up every piece of property that's around around it. So, I got to thinking what can we do and Dan and I talked some some and uh looking and and I'm going to tell you right up front our our both of our goals would be in the future. Um, we would love to have something bigger and better

and new somewhere, but we know that can't happen right now. But we need we need some way to um have a space to put our excess uh that we don't use on a daily basis. And another I've got another truck coming so it's going to be really tight back there. my business is increasing. I've got I I'm on a lot more calls. There's a lot more call for different equipment and that type of thing. So, that's one thing that's that's taking a lot of a lot of the space. So, as I got to looking um looking at building basically a storage building and storage building would be a 100 foot long by 60 foot wide um basically a pole barn uh used for storage. It would just be a a big barn with with overhead doors in it with concrete floor. uh would have some heat insulated electricity, just kind of the necessities that you need and move the equipment that we don't use on the daily basis to that facility and um and keep our everyday usage out of this building here. So, as I got to looking at that and where can I might I locate it or I wanted to locate it close to where we're at right here on this block. So, I'm looking at the parking lot across the street. Um, and there's different varieties as I've talked to all the staff. I talked to everyone at staff level different

all at the same time. I also talked to the public safety committee a week ago about this same project. Um, moving it across the street, I have in my mind uh two basically kind of the same location just turn in a different way. uh one probably being a little easier than the other because I would really love to face the doors to the south on the second street. However, the street the way it is designed at the present time is really not conducive to that. And if it ever if that street ever got put in again, it's going to change kind of considerable because the way it's all rolled down the curbs and things is just not it's just not there. It's just not for today. So I'd probably like to locate the building on a north south basis right in the southwest corner. Um it will take up it'll go about 34 of the way uh from the street to the alley. uh 60 foot wide with a 30 foot apron on the front of it. Um, I've already did some preliminary uh I sent out for some just some estimates on cost on just the building a building overhead doors um concrete insulation uh just the basic and got I had I sent out for three uh quotes. I got back two. Uh both of those quotes was within uh just a short just real close to each other. Um I sent out to King said lumber uh Bill Wright and Clary.

Um Clary did not respond. The other two did. My quotes come back really close. The that is that won't be like that. We're looking at somewhere around on that particular building around $235 $240,000 just for the building. However, I don't have electricity triggered into that and heating and that kind of thing. My kind of estimate of total cost somewhere in the 325 to $350,000 range. I think I'm going to come in close. I' I've reached out to contractors. Uh, I want to do a turnkey. I don't want to do a peace meal. I reached out to one of the one of the biders that does do a turnkey. Uh, and they're going to get me some estimates on what it would cost to put in extras, the concrete, the heating, and electricity. So, the money for that come out of my sales tax fund. Um, I I do have enough money to do that and still be real secure on on money saved for future. Um, I'm just like the police department and my sales tax brings in about $480,000 a year. At 350,000, it doesn't even take a year. That's what the sales tax pay for. So I guess is what I'm asking for tonight is before I move any further to go for bids uh on it is to the council okay to move forward for bids. The question came up I think at our committee meeting you know uh how much

you going to go for. I I I have a number in my head that I could I can only spend so much. Okay? I mean, I had I have trucks out there that's million half dollar trucks and if something goes down, I got to be able to I got to be able to replace that. Also, my sales taxes, sunsets, is a 20 year sunset. I'm 10 years into my sunset. So I have I have basically eight years I have 10 years but I have eight good years uh of revenue coming in. Uh so I have to have money put back in case something happens. New equipment and be comfortable with what I have. So going to an excessive amount of money is I can guarantee you for me it's not going to happen. Um but I don't expect it to be that. I don't honestly don't expect it to go over that $350,000 which I'm very comfortable with at that like Dan said with his sales tax. I mean I have a good cash reserve and I see to it that I keep that cash reserve. the building's for the community. If for some reason somehow in the future day when I'm sure I'm gone that a new facility is built, that building will be a city building to be used for storage or whatever. It won't be wasted. I guess it can always be used by the city again just basically bought by the fire department sales tax. So that's kind of where I'm at is just see getting my feelings if if you think I this this won't work and I can move forward and put it out for bid and bring it back. Of course the council will have to approve that bid of course

and everything that goes with it. But I'm trying to keep it as low as I can. I know every time I get you know the more things you you know you have to bond this or I don't even know that I haven't even asked about prevailing wage and that's a that's a that's what he tells me you know whether I put in there or not but um anyway I try to keep the cost as low as I possibly can and it's no thrill building basically so that's

Can you uh let the rest council. No, I I asked the question about the community center. Um, you know, could we do something and fix it up in the back so that you could do it?

Yeah, I I like to I like it where it's right here. Um, even though even though there'll be equipment in there that you aren't going to use on a daily basis, I like all my stuff close. Okay, number one. Number two, security. Um if I mean those trailers that I have back there in the back and some of that equipment is very very expensive and you you put it out in a location that there's no one around right here. I mean we actually have cameras on the building and on that parking lot today. Uh, so it's not that something can't happen over there, but the chances are a whole lot slimmer than if it's quite a ways away and it's more convenient for us right here. Close. Thanks. So, how long would it be before the two of you come to us for a new public safety building? I know that's a conversation in the future, but it does apply to this today.

Yeah. You know, I I'm not I'm not being smart about this, but I can come with you tomorrow and ask for that. But but I know and Dan knows I'm I'm pretty sure we know that that can't happen. That I mean, we're looking at a public safety building with the police department and dispatch and everything. We're we're looking in the millions of dollars, right? Tens of millions,

you know, 325,000 350,000. Um I mean being realistic both of us know that and both of us know that we can't afford it on our budget and we don't feel like that or I don't I shouldn't speak for Dan but I don't feel like that the council can approve things like that because you can't afford it either as the city at this point and I understand that and we understand that but but also I just want you to understand that we we and I'm going to include Dan in the police department. We are always looking into the future. We're we're looking at what we need to do to provide a service for our community in the best interest of the community. That's our goal. And the people we serve is who we're actually answering to, you know, in the end. And so we want to we want to do the best we possibly can and have the best equipment, the best services that we can possibly provide for our community. So well, it's easy for us to consider these things in a positive way because of the respect that we have for the two of you and the long track record and what you've done for the community. And you know, if you came to me and said, "I'd like to do this and I can pay for it." I have no qualms about it because I know that you'd always be asking there. I think both of you. So that's that makes it easier for me.

Does the city own that lot now? Who owns that? The city owns that lot. Yes. Okay.

I I have this I have the survey on the lot so I know what the size is over there. Um and in some of the questions that asked came to me and we spoke about this the other night. um you know, you're going to take up some of the parking lot. Uh what about parking and that type of thing? Well, what about like boating, for example? Well, that's not a building with equipment in it that you're going to take out of there every day. The chances of needing something out of there at the same time people are voting can happen, but pretty slim. It's not like having a fire and taking the fire truck out. Okay? It can happen but not not really. So you can use you can park in front of it that type of thing. I mean it's it's come and go like boating is come and go and that kind of thing. Um I don't see it being an issue on that. Uh for using it as as downtown parking or I mean right now we don't have any apartment parking back there. um there won't be as many cars parked back there and we don't want them parking in front of the bay doors, you know, for that part. But, uh at least stay away from it far enough that we can get in and get out. Okay. The other thing that and and I met Dan. Yeah, Dan and I think Ryan and Scott, we all met here and and Paul. Um, and one of the things that Scott actually uh had mentioned was whether it meets with the downtown district and and the buildings down there. And we discussed that at at the meeting the other night. Um I personally back here in the back where behind all

the buildings I mean we're looking at the downtown buildings uh you know if everything's new down there that's facing the center of the center street and the back's the back. Okay. And this is the back. We also have we have city hall and we have all the public works buildings over across the street all that too. So it kind of fits in with decor. And the building won't look I mean it'll be kind of like this. It'll be a pole barn but in metal on the outside and a metal roof but yet it'll it'll be attractive. It's not going to be something that's not attractive either. So I think it's fine that you want that. I'm sure you need it. I'm really just I think it's a great idea. Location. No. No. No. But we're No. To me as I I just think it messes with the downtown district. I think it does. I You can go like John said just down there on the other right across from the city hall. That's it's all it's it's not that close to to that. I mean the voting is important. And also the fact that that is the we want the downtown to grow and it won't with that if that just that crosses the street. Keep it on the street. We've got a parking lot down there parking lot. Do it down there. It's just a little bit farther for you. That's my opinion. That's it. Just I've been thinking about it since the meeting and I can't I can't see a big pole building over there. It just doesn't work with what we're wanting to do and what what the city wants to do with the downtown. I just think it puts a big old thumb thumb in it. That's just my opinion.

And and I I'm I'm not going to go against what you just said, but I I would never put it down there. Not for my cause, but because I'm not going to take up your parking spaces for city hall, but you'll take it up for the

I mean, you have your parking for city hall and all everything. And I I would not do that. Um I I just I just wouldn't do that. I just don't think that's the right thing to do. I mean right now there's nothing down there because you don't have city hall there, but when you fill that lot up with employees and everything. So that's just my opinion on that. and a space around here just any any place else close.

I agree with Mike as far as putting it here. I don't even see that there's an association between this street and downtown. And when we're looking at the downtown, we're seeing the back side, the ogly side of the downtown and and it's not attractive and it's not something that's going to be developed or improved or anything like that. Um I I I see this is a logical and perfect place. And not only that, it's only 6,000 square feet is all it takes up, which isn't that big of a space. And I don't see a problem with people, handicapped people or whatever, walking to vote. And um this is pretty full sometimes during voting, but how often do we vote? And there's a lot of times when I go to vote and there's hardly anybody there. So I I don't see that that that would interfere much there. And it looks like that's the most attractive place to build one. You're keeping with the same type of architecture on this street. And um it's all going to blend together and it's going to look very professional and and just the utility of it will be really good in that place. But as Becky said, I would like to develop the downtown. I would like to see that where those buildings were torn down. I'd like to see new buildings built there in the same style and you know blend in with all of it and so we'd have the best of both worlds in in that respect. Mike, you said something about the uh

the parking, not worry too much about the parking during voting and stuff, but it made me think so I know sometimes even when it's snowing that are police officers have to get out and go around and tell people, hey, you can't park there, so on and so forth. I'm sitting there thinking, what about the folks from like stuff like that that park that might park in front of the building so you don't have access um or or the apartments whenever that comes back. I I don't know. I'm just curious if there's going to be a way to block take a little extra and and block them from being able to get in there. something. I just don't want you want you all to end up needing something and then it's like locked in

and you know that could always happen and I get that the chance of that is is really sl it is the way I see it. I mean, I'm down here all the time and I mean, if you go over there right now and for months as you look over there, there is stuff parked on that parking lot over there that is dead and hasn't been moved for months.

Okay, that's taken up the same space that this building would take up. And then if you look towards the center, there's normally not a whole lot. there's days over there or special advance that maybe mccorals have that that the parking lot will be full and I understand that but I can't honestly foresee it being a real issue at all. Okay. I I know that when I when I was thinking about this it's just like on the north side of the building. Let's just take the north side of the building which is 60 foot wide. I'm I'm gonna have I would have ballers put along that side so people can

sure you know to protect it but I I can't foresee it. It's not it's not that that equipment's taken out of there on a regular basis. Right. No, no, no. I just I just was it just made me think of that. I just wanted to make sure that

it wasn't going to be an issue. And that's why if the building could east along Second Street, it would take all that out, all all of that, because the doors would be on the south side. You just come right out onto the street. But if you go out there and look, because I've looked and looked and looked, and if the street was in better shape than what it is, you could do that pretty easily. But it's not. I mean, and I'm I'm not I don't have the kind of money it takes to rebuild that street right now. So, um, I wish we could, okay,

but that's just what I see. And I might change my mind, too, you know, as as time goes on because I actually have somebody coming to look at that space over there and see what they what they can do. And it might be they say, "Yeah, we can do this. We could run this building east west, which will be great, and still make it contoured into the into the street that's there today, and and get it and not get a real uh big pitch on it because my trailers won't come in and out of that. It's got to be fairly flat, right? You know, so you can see where I'm at.

And that would take the the parking thing and parking in front of doors completely out of the equation. Okay. Thanks. And that's where I'm not 100% for sure about location. That's that's what I'm just I'm struggling with that just a little bit because I know what I want, but I don't know that I could really make it happen. Any other questions?

I'm glad somebody Ever since the previous city manager left heard I hear these voices then just like today this gentleman here's a new IT guy. I didn't know that would happen. I sit up here as a lay person in this chair and I heard voices that to keep the 18 person Cameron Police Department going, we needed to bring bring up the starting salary about five or six grand comparable to the Missouri Highway Patrol. Then I heard these other voices out here. I didn't know if it's true or what or getting part information that we need to go over here and build a 35 to $50 million new public safety bill. I've had to implement other people's policy from 10 years ago and it's not a lot of fun. I'm just questioning the difference between needs and wants. And u I think I'm going to let somebody else do this one. It's not going to be me. I know you're not supposed to say no to the police department or the fire department, but uh there's got to be a reasonleness here even with this sales tax. All right. brought that discussion.

Well, I think Mike needs a consensus on whether he can go out for bids or not because he doesn't want to waste the time to announce. I I'll guarantee you I'm not going to waste the time. I've already spent enough time and my time is just as valuable as anybody else's time. And if it's a if it's positive, then I'll do my due diligence to to do the right thing. But it's not. I'm gonna I'll stop at this point.

Well, like I said the other night, I I think it's worth looking. Let's see what the the final value or what the final cost is going to be. Um, you know, like you've said, you're not going to blow the bank on it. So, you may not even get back to us, you know, if if it does that. But I don't have a problem with that. I The other thing I'd like to see is somehow uh some sort of a a scale like where you could show us the building and and put it on, you know, something few years back. Um one of the guys did it for the park board when they were trying to figure out how to get the

Oh, you do? Awesome. Because the vid I'm I'm a more visual person. Hearing it doesn't do me any good. Do it like spire with card. I I have it and and you can actually if you have it on the computer, you can you can change it and it'll configure and you can see the interior. You can see the exterior and the size and it schemes it around. Okay. That Yeah, I could that would help me because I'm a visual. I can show you a picture of the outside. I got I have that. She might want to see that. I don't have that hard.

So, do we need to vote on it to see We're not supposed to We're not voting on a contract though. We'd like to know what the consensus is. So, I mean, there could be a motion and vote just to make it clear or you guys could voice a consensus that is easily identifiable. I think right now nobody really knows what the consensus is and that's kind of necessary for for Mike to see what he wants to do.

You're consensus. Can I I I can't put my at this point given your prior position. I don't think that there would be a massive issue and I don't think there would be a legal conflict with you having a role in this because you are not going to receive any sort of material benefit and you're not going to be provided with anything over and above what other members of the Cameron Fire Department could be. So you could play a role in this, but obviously that is up to you as to whether or not you still want to avoid appearance of a conflict. Chief, you care?

Chief, do you care one way or the other if I do or don't? It's not a vote. He's just giving an opinion. Yeah, it's probably not a vote. Yeah, there's nothing coming out of tonight, right? Let's just get a consensus and you know, I'll say yes. Yeah, no. All right. So, you got three. You got three.

I'll I'll proceed. It's what I'll probably do. I'm I'm gonna wait till my dirt person gets here and we'll look at the site and we'll I'll give you my two ideas and see what it says and then I'll kind of report to you and we'll I'll be working on it along the way and uh at least it gives you an idea of the location and how it might face. If it if it's facing this way, it'll take up less space going back to the north, right? And uh and you won't have to worry about the parking either. So, I'll I'll follow that up. It'll be a couple weeks.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. That takes us to our public participation. anyone to speak and miscellaneous comments from staff. Scott,

um I just want to welcome Phil and I don't know if you met Phil Bill, he's our new um he started out as our part-time IT help and he's going fulltime with us and he's been getting into service contracts and money savings issues. I'm just real happy with this uh this innovative way of getting into things and being very proactive. So, and and it's I've just really been enjoying my time here working with all the staff and departments and thank you for the opportunity. Well, hello.

Well, hello. It's good to meet you all. I mean, yeah, like like you said, I've been doing part-time work with them here for this last month, just kind of getting a a feel for what it is that they have in place and what they might need to improve upon to be a little bit more flexible perhaps in some of how their systems function and well or let's just say functional in some of the systems when it comes to the phones and all that. So, um a lot of the stuff that they have that they need to be working on, I've had experience in working with in the past. So, it's um not too foreign to me one way or the other. Hopefully we can get some stuff to where we can kind of make more sense of some of the contracts that we've had in place. See if we still need to have those contracts or if it's stuff that we can kind of take care of our own and kind of just shape stuff up a little bit more and make it easier to shift back into the other building one day or wherever we need to try to go. So that's kind of the goal right now. Just what do they got? What do they need? And how can we keep it running? So

thank you. Nothing. I'm back. Yeah. So, where's off tonight? Um, I said a whole bunch of them or Yeah. So, I' I've been trying to corral them because on Fridays everybody's gone and I, you know, if they don't have items on the agenda, I have them not come. Like tonight, I presented for Mark and um it adds up all the two or three hours. Oh, yeah. I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does. Well, that's fine. Makes sense. You

Yeah, I'm back doing the same things that I doing before I left. So, D and Z. Okay. So, I'm up. You are.

So, I want to bring the attention to the rest of the council. John made a comment about raising the PD salary. Um, just so you know, I'm I'm six dispatchers short. I lost four employees this month. Um, I have one dispatcher out on medical that I'm helping cover the radio. I get it Saturday, I'm doing it tomorrow, and then I'm doing it Friday and Saturday. And I'm also three officers for I have zero applications for police officers. Um, we did uh have interviews for dispatch. We offered three conditional offers, but it depended on their background. So we we are very we are very very short staff. So that's I just wanted to uh make a comment on that since uh he was saying something about our raising our pay. And second of all uh we're hosting coffee with the cop March 6th from 7 to 9 at Kingdom Coffee and you guys are more than welcome to come down.

All right. Thank you. But not more than two people at a time. Not more than two people at a time. Well, two count to count. Right. Two people. Just let me know when it's safe. When it's safe, call me. All right, Chief.

Okay. Um, this this year has has actually started out to be a very busy year. We're way over 60 calls already. First two months of the year. uh major calls in there. Um I want to I want to say just briefly on on the fire downtown and we did have an afteraction like Scott mentioned with with not only the fire departments that that was our neighbors that came and helped us with the police department uh EMS um was all there. That went very well. Uh I made phone calls to all the chiefs that of of the departments that was here. Um honestly the first comment that that that basically they they stated to me was that they was very impressed with how everybody worked together so well to accomplish the task. Um they they was they was impressed with that and I have worked super hard over the years to bring that to the plate um of all of us working together and knowing what to do. Um I we we went that or the guys did I unfortunately I was out of town that day. I didn't get back to 11 o'clock that night. I was here all night and uh and back the next day, but um no one got hurt. Uh no one even had a sprained ankle or or anything of that nature.

They left without her shoes. What's that? The part the lady that had the the fire start in her apartment. She didn't take her purse or her shoes. She ran because it was coming out of her bathroom is what she said. Yeah. So she told

but no one got hurt off of that. Um and uh everybody worked together very well and and I thought the meeting that we had the other night went very well too. We had some comments. We're always looking at ways to improve uh that type of thing. Um so I had some issues with um with some facilities around town. Uh, another call we had, we did have a fire in the nursing home um this just last week um which turned out fine in the end and we had a major gas leak just right across the street. So, we've dealt with several major things in this town over the last few months u as long as as well as mutual aid calls with with our partners around us. So, it has been very busy and of course when you're busy like that, you have breakdowns, you lose equipment. Um, and and that's just that's just the way it is. You you come back, fix it, put it back together, and go again. So, um, and and I want to thank the city staff that helped because I know there was a lot of city staff there the day of the downtown fire. Uh, and I do have the car's cooler out back that he's going to take home tonight that he brought water and stuff down. Um, but we we had all a lot of the staff that was down downtown helping. We had a tremendous amount of business uh businesses that donated food and and just made phone calls to say, "Are you okay?" Uh, so, um, it all turned out well and it's just just part of life. You just pick up and you move on again. So, that's about what I have.

All right. Thank you.

Oh, waste water. We've been busy cleaning up lift stations for the last three weeks. Uh we've got basins at our largest stations are 8, 1, 4, and two. Uh tomorrow we'll be out on the golf course cleaning up the basin at those station four. Cleaning it out, getting all the uh leaves, sticks, or anything out of that basin for the rainy season. We just got done with two. It took a day and a half to clean up that basin. It was so full it just hadn't been cleaned out. So that's basically what we're doing. And then we're getting ready for UV to start in two weeks. It has to be running by April 1st. So I will start it up in two weeks. Have it running full by then.

Good. All right. Thank you so much. So, um like Scott said, we went to the legislative conference with MML and um our our legislators were all in agreement that they did not support the decommissioning of the police district. So that would be

Oh, good. There's um there's a lot of different legislation right now dealing with revenues. Um reforming property tax and maybe eliminating personal property tax. There's talk about um eliminating the local sales tax on food. The state has already removed the state sales tax on food and people on SNAP benefits don't pay sales tax. So, they're looking at removing our sales tax on food, which could be um a million and a half dollars a year lost revenues across the different um sales taxes that we have in place. And I did explain that we have several debt service that is payments and obligations that are based on those projected sales tax revenues and if they cut those significant significantly like they are one of the legislation is proposing I don't know how we'll make our debt service teams on the park in the pool in street projects. So it's it's a concern. They're also looking at getting rid of the income tax which provides the state 70% of the revenues each year and they've run out of their ARA funding which provided them with balanced budgets since 2021. So I don't I don't know what they can do everything because they won't they won't have any money. So they've got to to think of some ways to replace any of the revenues that they they get rid of. So it's a it's concerning. They were they talked about if they get rid of the income tax making the state

portion of sales tax a flat 7%. which I don't I don't know that that really helps the people that are in the most need of the benefit of not having to pay some of the sales tax. It's 4.225 now. Yeah. And they said it would be class 7% and then add the county and the local onto that it would be an astronom. Yeah. It would be way up there. So

I I don't know. I don't know what the solution is. Anyway, there's there's a lot of stuff going on and I will forward you guys the updates from in the bill and from the legislator as it as they come out so that you can keep track of what's going on.

Is there any idea when they're going to tear down the west in third street buildings? Those that's up to the insurance. I mean, I do know that the insurance company was here and spoke with my detectives division. Um, he went up with the pictures. He didn't go in either, just like the fire marshall's office didn't go in there due to safety. It's all on the insurance company. So, when it's a safety concern, it is. Yeah. I could collapse at any time. They have now they're working on it.

Oh, they are cleaning up the sidewalk so people can walk close to it. That's not what they're doing. So anyway, then the other one is um so when are we going to get the barricade away from where Dean's building was? Any because the what I'm getting at is I really want downtown to look better and I and especially now because there are people thinking about investing in some of these lots and building on those lots. This is really the time to make it attractive to get it sold. So, if they wanted to build,

the only reason we left the barricades there is due to that northeast corner where the loose bricks are. We not saying they don't need to be there. They they did move the barricades off the street onto the sidewalk that I we can take them off tomorrow. somebody gets hit in the head, then the liability is going to look well. The final solution is they say is is shoring up that wall. Well, at least doing some type of of grouting those bricks up top into place. Has that been resolved? Who's paying for that? It's it's we we met with the

Yeah, we met with them and and we followed the direction of the council. Yes. which was not our problem,

right? Not our problem. But then the next step is is to impose the repairs on those building owners. So it gets done because this is holding up progress in the town. And it I mean we drive through towns and we see old buildings that have collapsed and we think well that's reflective of the town and and it's really not. And I know you don't like seeing it up there but I I don't mind stepping on toes if it's eventually you're going to have to do that. So are you talking about like kind of a time limit time frame?

Yeah. Yeah. There should be that we can't we can't do that forever because because one property owner is causing another property owner to have property dysfunctional is they can't really sell it. They can't really use it. That that property with the bricks falling out makes the other one. Well, they can't sell it anyway because we've got a lean against it. Well, we'd like to sell it. Yeah, we'd love to sell what we got into it. You know, we really love to sell what we've got in We love to sell it and get get on with it and and so the Yeah, we I mean it we have to check and see where he is on paying his taxes,

but it's still his until Yeah. And I I'm not I don't want to own anything that we don't have to own. I just want to make it to where we can make it safe, get rid of those barricades, and if somebody wants to buy that, then then do that. Um Okie dokie.

And just and by the way, commercial property in Cameron is really going at a premium. And and a a comp on that is beside my dental office on the north side. That lot is is up for 350,000 to sell that lot. And it's not a great lot. Mike knows this. And then they'll probably have to do a phase one and phase two environmental on it because it's had a gas station there. Yeah. And so, and I remember the Sinclair station when they did that, it cost like 160,000 or something to get all those tanks out of the ground and get that cleaned up.

You can ask what you want, but it's still Well, well, you can have, but that's what I mean is that is you have to start somewhere. Yeah. And um but nobody once you weigh through the environmental issues then that that makes it really a difficult lot to buy and sell but that's asking price even with that incumbence on it. So it makes those third street buildings look pretty cheap, you know, when you can buy them for less than half that and you don't have to do that environmental on it if it fit the need of the people doing it there.

So I don't think you buy food truck that's all I had. I'd like it though. It'd be fun. New Mr. IT person. Yes sir. Your predecessor. When we put that in the budget, we were told like everything else that you practically pay for yourself this subscription going away or that subscription going away. Leave it to your task. Good luck. I'll look it over as best I can.

I knew you. Thank you.

Yeah. Um, I just wanted to echo what Chief said about the fire. Uh, I was up there for a good portion of that evening and Scott was there too and it was really cool to see u all the different departments come together and uh the community um how they stepped up and even for the next week, you know, volunteering um any access and space and and stuff and you know, apartments and that kind of thing. So, it was really cool. Um, you know, that's the that's kind of the nice thing about um mutual aid agreements uh that chief has worked really hard for is that, you know, it even when the bigger departments show up, everybody's, you know, there to complete the task and they're like, "We're here. How can we help?" And so that was that was really nice. And it was the same um sentiment echoed by town, you know, we're here. How how can we help? How can we get better? So, good job to everyone. Thank you.

Um, okay. I'm gonna start out with something that's not so good. So, Scott, one thing that I really want um as a council member is communication. I had no idea we had an IT guy. Brand new. Come in here, I find out we have an IT guy. Um, last I knew we didn't have an IT guy. This is not on you. Um, this is poor communication and I don't like poor communication. That's why we got rid of, well, part of one of the reasons why we got rid of the last guy was because of poor communication. So, anyway, that's out of the way. Number two, um I'd like to figure out do can we do some sort of an official resolution of appreciation something for some of the other fire departments that came over and helped? Is that something that's normal? I mean, I'm sure we had EMT, police, fire, whatever. I'm just wondering I think it'd be kind of neat to get a list to be able to to at least maybe have you read as a appreciation for their help in that

in the deli tray. I just want to do what they um I don't want to I don't want to trade. I just want to um but official I just think it need some service official. Yeah, let's do an official proclamation on it. And and I just think it'd be a nice gesture for their health and keeping it from spreading because it could have certainly gotten a lot worse. Um, no, the fire. Hey, John, we'll take a couple minutes.

That's on her. She's paying for the here. She's already decided she's paying cookies. I know. I think we should. Seriously, take it to the Yeah. Seriously. Anyhow, they have it in their town. Call order. Okay. I'd like to finish.

Um I also would like to put forth um a resolution at some point. I I'm tired of the water. the I want a water refund for the people of Cameron. I'm tired of it. We either stop it until we get the water or else. Nine freaking months. We've waited nine months. I've been promised over and over and over again. Scott even made light of it. We'll just tell him next week. Well, good God. It's been since May of last year. You talking about the water pipeline?

Yes. Okay. The water increase. that that we've been sitting there and and we're filling up something with nine months of water revenue. Um so at this point, why don't we stop at least stop it in the short term and let's catch up with it. Make a resolution to default on over $40 million worth of municipal bond. Well, and like I've said before, we shouldn't have had that either. Let's vote on it. Let's make a resolution to default on 40. I've said from the very beginning, we should have done the bankruptcy on that. Okay. And it's not 40. It's going to end up being

whatever it is, let's let's default on it. It'll be over 50. It's all said and done.

But the council did discuss that. and and I wasn't on the council then, but I was here when you all discussed whether we should go ahead and and charge this and you did discuss you did vote on you did pass it and the and as I remember the basis for doing that was was to uh to recoup some funds to pay for the project and start it at that point in time and then carry on. I know it's so close now. If you if you stopped it and then started it again, it'd be really confusing, especially as water usage increased in the summer. So that would

Well, we did vote on it. You're right. And that was when we were told it was coming in on May 1st. I hear you. We were told on February the interest clock started. Period.

That's what we were told. And we voted to pay the interest on over $40 million worth of municipal bonds that were passed 10 years ago. Yeah. People didn't get to vote for it or voted it down, but then the Missouri legislature changed the rules that a council could pass it and it was passed. So the voters didn't get to vote for it. The legislators changed it. various councils change. They passed it. So, we've got one of two options. Stripe and complain about it or do something and let's default on the bonds that I said.

Let's default on it. Put a motion up, John, to default on these bonds. See if you get a second. Just because you're not getting nine months worth of funding. Well, what what's it gonna I'm just I'm tired of the people getting the short end of the stick. I hear you. It's constant. And John, I agree with you that that's been hard to hear and and it's really tough people talking about their water bills doubling and that sort of thing. But but I respect that. But I think at this point in time, you just have to go forward and try to be more frugal with other people's money.

Since we weren't supposed to pay on it until we received the water, have have we been paying towards it and not receive the water? Is that money somewhere being ready to get sent when we get the water or I'm on the Ginwick side of it just as the chairman and so the money has been collected. We will have a large debt as a city of Cambridge going back to Jinwick whenever everything gets up and rolling. This act by collecting this money now you make sure that we have money in the piggy bank to pay our first payment for water. So we have

because it because right now we know how much it's going to cost us to get the water from Missouri American but on& and M and the debt service that John was talking about has still got to be part of the

out today. Yeah, we had a meeting with USDA rural development and Gilmore and Bell and Da Davidson and CDM Smith the engineer and Matias he was he was on the phone too and so we've got we're coming up with the N number and the N number is one of the things that we have to get done so we can get the new loan um that's part of the USDA funding but not overage the the extra that we have the increase that we have been paying is been save back

into that's for go for the first as of right now we know what payment one's going to be the options that were basically given to the city were either don't do anything and then wait for this first one to hit and we would have to do a massive immediate increase for one year to smooth over that payment,

right? Or instead apply the payment at X date so that we could begin collecting so that nobody would feel that immediate initial significant increase to make just that first payment. So right now that money has been charged and collected and it is with the city and it'll go to Genwick as soon for the payment for that initial customer. The city is a customer of a member. A member, excuse me.

So then yes, we are just as frustrated as you are, John, that we were told it was in May and yeah, it wasn't. And that was discussed today about that same issue. Um, so and I don't know what else to tell anybody next week. Yeah. Well, in our, you know, you guys started this in 2005. Yeah. That's when the first meeting started. In just the two months I've been here, you're now substantial completion. Final punch lists are told that they're finished. We just That's what we were told today. And so the

Yeah, BRB's punch list is done, but there's another issue. We were literally told this week or next week, water would be flowing that we could pay for. And at and at some point, the the refinance and when the debt is is reestablished and completed, the payback it's going to be really important when there is a water shortage in the region in this part of the state that as an owning member, you can charge, you know, x amount above what the cost is and recuperate. But I think the amenity is is we will have water. when we have capacity now

when others probably won't. It's it's really hard to build a future with no water and this part of the country has no water. Well, I was told that we couldn't sell it because I've been trying to do I I have suggested options on this since I found out that they were going to go ahead and do this. And I was told we don't really own any more of the water. We're just required to pay. Cameron for Cameron can't sell anything, right? Jenwick can as an entity can sell some. So, do we get money back from Genwick? No. It would

that do it so that you're not having to raise rates to pay for more on&m because trust me, we're Genwick's not the only wholesale commission I work with,

right? We just finished one up or should hopefully, cross your fingers, finish something up in another one up in Northwest Missouri that's going to in end up making it so that the members, the four original members basically no longer have to pay for the operation and maintenance of their own facility, which then you don't can't really decrease debt service because USDA would lose their minds if you tried to decrease that number because it's in the bond docks. But what you do is you can then smooth out those payments and provide what I'll call a relief valve which Cameron would be 90%. So it could receive 90% of excess revenues not utilized by CH.

Did you get that? Yeah, that's fine. Let's just move on because it's same old crap. I don't want to thank you all for coming and I will entertain a motion to adjourn to executive surn communications real estate negotiated. Second. Becky Curtis. Yes. John. Yes.

Now we're done with guys. Yeah. And if if you senior that they