Planning Board - Regular Meeting

All right. I'd like to call this meeting of the um planning board village of Cold Spring to order. Um anyone have any uh items they'd like to add or modify for the agenda? Okay. Okay. Uh let's go on to minutes really quick. Be on the main business. We'll do uh October Abigail. We have October 10th. Yeah. Oh, she's U. And do we have the 24th as well? Um, no. October 24th. Just October 10th and Okay. All right. Let's do the 10th now. But yesterday, I don't know what happened with that with uh the ZBA. Did it not it didn't go forward? It didn't pass to the ZBA. Well, um think I think I don't

Okay. do 14th then everyone with that actually would like to make a motion to adopt I'll make a motion to adopt the uh meeting from October 10th and I'll second that in favor um I have something on the uh the 14th on the bottom. I think that Zimmerman, the homeowner, confirmed that he has no interest in a short-term. That is true. Yeah, it's a generational Yeah. Remember they asked that he said not only that it's not legally allowed, right? I don't just take a little system. The only worries me with this one is it's like two hours uh and

not a lot of details here. So I I don't honestly I can't remember all the all the things that we might have talked about. But um I remember him in one of those ones he went over a lot of help of the Do you think it was just presentation? I think a lot of it was if I remember there was one of them but he took a full presentation almost like an hour close to an hour but I don't know I don't know if it's Yeah I think we had a couple of them that were that were that were of that shape. Um yeah, I mean I I think with that correction this looks broadly correct. Um, with that modification, right, I'll I'll make a I'll make a motion to adopt the meeting minutes November 14, 2024 with the addition of um, as Denver, the homeowner of 47 confirmed that he has no interest in short-term I'll second. All in favor? I don't. All right. Um, we can move on to our main business of the evening, which is uh One Depot Square. We have uh representatives from from that here. Um, who would like to kind of be the speaker to the to the board for the at least initial part? I will. Okay, great. Um so uh just to kind of get you a sense of what are we doing? What why are we here? Uh so this is uh um kind of a it's a workshop session. allows us to understand just like the lay of the

land, the facts on the ground, what's being proposed, what what uh um and allows us to kind of identify potentially new information that would be pertinent for us to understand the project and um help um kind of provide feedback and things like that. So, uh, that those workshop sessions can they can go over the course of a of a of a couple of sessions depending on how much back and forth we do to for discovery. But the goal is to get to something where we feel like, okay, we understand the project. Uh, and um, we feel like we have enough that we can present to the public. Okay, here's what's going on. We have the public hearing. Um, again, that may go one or more sessions depending on what the feedback is and how we cover. and then um we hopefully can move to vote and and uh and move forward from there. Uh cool. So I'll hand it over to you to to lead us in. Uh I mean the project here is basically just adding an open what is essentially an open air pavilion to the one depot square being the architect. Yes. From Hudson Design. So, we're proposing to add this pavilion in what is now just an outdoor seating area where there's a gazebo just adjusting that area to fit what is needed for some additional outdoor dining. And we were referred for the parking requirements. We understand that we are two spaces under the 26 space requirement according to the square footage of the existing restaurant and the proposed seating in the new outdoor dining pavilion. So we have marked the slots which are all within the one depot square property which encompasses the entire road there. Um so we're at 24 without any adjustment and I I guess that's where we're starting from now. What could be you know done about that or if a waiver

could be granted for the two spots or what your thoughts are on that. Yeah. So a couple couple things on that. So one is as we'll we'll talk through just kind of the the parking requirements are dependent on the use. So we'll just kind of better understand what the use is going to be that will help inform the where we read the parking requirements from in the board in the sorry in the uh in the zoning code. Uh and then um if we are still where we are right now um you can request a referral to the village board for a parking waiver. Okay. uh which uh will pass along um and they'll decide what to do about that. Um alternatively, you can pursue a variance with the zoning board. I know you're having a hearing on the 22nd. Yeah. Okay. Um if you decide to go the DBA route, you should let them know as soon as possible because it'll you'll want to they'll want to have that be explicit in the in the in the agenda for that meeting. Sure. What would be the difference between going for the variance versus the village board? Um, different criteria are kind of being applied there that the zoning board is using the zoning board criteria of like uh it's you know they're trying to figure out whether or not it's reasonable to to provide a variance in your particular situation. There's there's a I think a set of five criteria that they judge that against. the village board will be taking uh less structured but more holistic approach about what you know kind of how they want to navigate that and u people do both so um it's really uh up to you cool how many of the parking spots are actually owned by the depot restaurant um all of them the property line extends actually the whole extends that from city goes like right up to the sidewalk on the other side. That that part of the village is an interesting one because it's it's a private street with a public right of

way. So that so that's it's connected uh but it is entirely owned privately. So um that's why you end up with the the spaces on on the other side. Okay. Um I think uh the village lawyer is interested in doing just some additional reading about exactly yeah how we count on off streetet or a private street uh just to m make sure that we're we're counting in the right way but um that's something we'll we'll do in discovery for next time. Um, okay. So, I have a couple questions. Um, do we have any um previously approved site plans for this property um that we know of? Um, not since the current owner has owned the property. I don't I don't believe. No. Okay. But maybe for previous owners, there might be some on file with the village. The village has one. Yeah. I mean, we have the existing property survey that was done a number of years ago. Okay. On the property and that's just Yeah. for the restaurant. Okay. John, is that something that we would just the clerk would kind of do research on our behalf? Yeah. So, that's something Abigail could Okay. Can you take a note to to do to see if there are any previously filed site plan with this property? Yes. Um, and do we have a copy of the deed? Yes. Is that in the package already? If not, send it in. Um, it definitely went to the zoning board, so make sure it gets to you as well. Correct. Um, so in terms of um, so you said open air. So, so, uh, is it, uh, open air like with no roof or just or no walls? Well, it has a roof and it has u walls

that can receive glass panels. So it's okay. Basically being an unconditioned I see I see space right now for for what we're planning. And then it's in terms of use which I know you asked about. We we're going off of the restaurant bar section of the code six spots per thousand square feet I think. Right. So that uh in terms of in terms of like the intent like uses can range right like especially for something like this which has at least on the appearance of it seems like it could be used as an event space. Is there plans on on using it as an event space at all? Great. You want to speak to that? That that is the plan. Yes. Okay. Okay. Great. Um so do you have a sense of like what kind of events you might be interested in hosting there? I mean, rehearsal dinners are the first things that come up. Rehearsal dinners. Rehearsal dinners. Yeah, we have to turn that down turn down turn down those a lot because we don't have the the space and capacity to handle that. But any any kind of event because there's really no big spot in town to do something like that. Yeah, 100%. I looked I looked around for a space for hosting a uh baptism party for my 16-month old. Exactly. Yeah. baby showers, wedding showers, there's there's nowhere to go. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. So, um what about music intended or No, that's not part of the I mean, there might be you might have an acoustic something, but no music was ever part of the plan. Okay. Uh will there be many trees removed? Any trees? many trees are removed. Um, one tree for sure. Uh, but I don't think any others would be, but that it's all it's all on my property also. Sure. Yeah. Most of

most of the questions we're asking are really just trying to understand. So, like as an example, um, sometimes when uh trees are removed, there's we have a lot of storm water challenges in the village. Yes. So, if there's a tree that's removed from a property, we may have concerns about storm water drainage because trees tend to soak up a lot of water. Um, so there might be some questions in the approach about like what we do with storm water mitigation, if we need to do an analysis there or not. Um, so they're just kind of questions. Okay. Right now there's a gazebo in that spot. Yeah. So it's about the new pavilion will be about 2/3 that size two an additional two two that is one of the Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. So right now it's already covered with 30%. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then it says here there's an ex there's an existing pond to be filled in. That's just um it's not being fed by anything, is it? It's just a standalone pond, right? It's a man. It's it's it's not receiving water from anywhere else, right? It's just I don't know what pond this says a pond here. I said Oh, there was there was a man-made there's a pond that Tom Rson put in. Yeah, it's just a man-made thing, right? It's not it's not anything with coming. That that is actually not where on the site at all. that that pond is on MTA property actually. Oh, okay. It just says existing pond to be filled in. I just want Well, here's also confusion because the the rock the the rock is there, right? Yeah. No, yeah, familiar with that. I did I do remember there being some little Right. I've always been a little confused about the placement of the rock as well, but that's where it is. Probably a pond, right? I'm just just because it's on

here. I just wanted to be sure that it wasn't like something that was being fixed. Well, yeah, but it doesn't sound like it. So, I don't even The only drainage problem we ever see on Depot Square is just coming down railroad that that come to that drain. That's where a lot of water funnels through. But yeah, nothing. We never have a problem right there, especially because you have the the big drainage at the end of Main Street there. Right. Right. Okay. Um, do you have an elevation of the of the new PA? Oh, not in these drawings, but we do have a smaller copy in a an older iteration. It's going to be a little bit little bit simpler than this and in this kind of style. Do we have a digital copy of this? of the elevation. I'll send it to you for that. Yeah, thanks. It's not glass. It's It's open. Well, it's like there's a glass panel glass panel that can be installed to glass that can be installed. Yeah. And is it metal or is it hard? And is this going to be four season or is it going to be three season? More like three season. Okay. This is actually what the foundry used to the the metal facades for building. This is what the foundry used to produce after they produced the cannon for the civil war. they transferred to peace time and we've lost all the examples of the village. So it' be nice to have something back. So doing like panels to

buildings in New York City and stuff with Yeah. Yeah. These are conservatories uh a lot a lot of green houses. The metal work will all be uh like an oil rub bronze. Be fairly dark. I mean not black but going forth historical have they given any feedback well uh it wasn't a no but um Al had trouble with it how good it looked I see I see too nice for the village he seriously said that. Yeah. Uh well, you know, sometimes we can't have nice things. Um yeah. Well, good luck getting uh working with them on on the aesthetic part. Um I mean, I think it does. We fixed it. Okay. It does. I mean, I think it does look we'll call them. Very very uh u very nice. Um All right. So, we've got to look at the We're going to we're going to go do our research about the parking. Um I know that it's kind of coming up against the where the bike racks are currently that are I guess are the bike racks on your property or they are they adjacent to it? They're off or is it kind of they're on the Yeah, I mean it's right there but like it's right between it. Probably sits on both. Sure. Sure. Um, but yeah, but I guess we have a 5 foot offset so we don't expect to impact those. Is that right? I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. Also, until I pulled all the weeds out of there whatever a year and a

half ago, no one could even really use them. Yeah. So, yeah. [Music] Yeah. one set of bearings it says for the rear set back. Um in addition to the um okay uh is there in addition to the elevations do you have any like landscaping uh renderings or the the surrounding area or plans? Yeah, we will. You will. Okay. It'll be great to have to have that also. Um is are the basically the only two entrances these two that are noted in the front? Yes. There's two in the back too. Okay. So there's two in the front, two in the back. Well, there's a double door in the front and double door on the side. Oh, there's double door on the side. Yeah. Where how am I missing that? I see uh two double doors on the front. That's happening because of we uh we're the redesign. Uhhuh. Oh, I see. So, there's there's going to be an update that has doors off the side. Okay. Okay. I got you. Okay. So, yeah, whenever you uh whenever you get those uh just send them away. Okay. I can't get understood. Um yeah. So, uh yeah. any details you have about the landscaping even just like broadly what you're what you're going for the kinds of majority majority of the landscaping is really in that area cutting the majority you know pushing that pushing back out yeah and this will only really en enhance that

whole area of property it's not really used for anything other than that that almost falling down gazebo yeah the benches that are there I pick up all the trash that all the people leave here. Yeah, I've tried to pick up when I walk my dog over there. I appreciate that. People just sit there and eat lunch and just leave it. I'm like, "Oh, it's fine. I'll go I'll get it." No big deal. Yeah. Um I'm wondering if there's any world in which um we can use any of this space in here as even theoretical parking like staff parking or something like parallel in or Oh, the whole staff parks in that parking lot. So, if you want to count that apart, yeah, I didn't I didn't know that we could, but yeah, sorry. What are we talking about? I know. I mean, I know I know I parking for staff as part of our camp. Oh, yeah. For sure. Like 12 cars in there. And you're you're sailing. Okay. Yeah. The the thing we're going to have to just double check is that there's there's like certain minimum dimensions for parking spaces just to figure out exactly how many get us more than the two. Yeah. Want to be safe, you know, with that. Yeah, I think that's probably right. Should be good. Yeah, very easily you get five, six cars in there. I said we jam 12 in on Saturday. So may So maybe on the on the on the next version if you could just show those those there. Yeah. And then um if even just you know lookbook doesn't have to be like don't get into too much trouble but a lookbook of like what the lighting will look like. Yeah. Yeah. Will will it be lighting for the for it like lighting like lighting up? No. We'll have there will be no up lighting. No. Okay. No. Okay. We'll have dark have a dark sky light uh design. Okay. Okay. you're you're concerned about the dark sky.

Mo mostly just like us like usability like like we've had people uh you know open shops that open in the back of a dark alley with no lighting to get there and then are open after dark. We're just like okay, you know, this seems like potentially, you know, a hazard. Um, so it's it's really just kind of basic sanity checks about okay are the you know we do care about the dark sky stuff for sure. Um, and that is something we'll check but for the most part anybody who involves an architect is already thinking about that kind of stuff. So um, and you're relocating the lampost we'll be relocating anything that interferes with where's the lampost? the the only other one at the flag pole got talked about in historic but oh are you talking about the the sign? Yeah, I think it's the sign that's spring sign says lamp post to be relocated. Oh, I'm sorry. That's the flag pole. Yes, that is the Oh, I see flag pole. Okay. Um, yeah. What's the What is the plan with the that kind of plaque and monument thing? Well, I thought we could probably just donate it back to the village, put it somewhere else. I don't remember. I mean, certainly could be moved somewhere on the property, be seen from there as well. But, yeah, whatever the village wants to do with that is fine. Okay. A spot at the foot of Main Street that uh Yeah. Yeah, the very bottom. Yeah, that's not our choice, but it's good that you would be willing to let the village put it where

um what was that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like sword and the stone as you can lift it. You become George Washington. Yeah. Uh let's see little um is there any signage associated with it? Like you're going to have like a Riverview something or other like kind of Yeah, I mean the only we have we have a sign now. Um something like that probably stay. Yeah. Sorry. It's all right. This part why I'm trying to do all this stuff because it's been a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so you're adding the side doors. Will that make it more I guess that'll make it easier to serve from the restaurant or is there It's only It's only for um safely used as a DJ. Interest. Yeah. The front. Oh, I see. The door space and the patio will be for service. I see. So So we have the event space. Do we expect like on, you know, Friday afternoons in the summer that you're going to that you're going to serve meals in there to regular patrons or probably not? Probably not. Okay. So, it'll be almost exclusively for those events based or spill over the weekends possibly. We don't have an event, but sure events. Okay. Um, and is the um I think I can answer from the elevations here, but it's basically uh there's no there's no height to it like the the it's going to be on a slab basically. Slab. Okay. And it right now it runs right around 16 ft. Um, this has somewhat of an element to it, but there is a little piece of uh I think it comes with it still. Um, it's

a decorative uh like a comb, a cox comb on top of it. Uhhuh. Um, on the lighting, just to be clear, can we get a just at least some um annotations about where the lighting is is is to be Yeah. And just on what you were saying on the lighting about easy clear access to the building, part of the reason why we located it in this spot too is to orient it so that it lines up with the existing restaurant and it's clear to people from the sidewalk that you know they're associated and um the entrance to the main entrance to will be at the uh at the end closest to the the restaurant. Now that's how you'll you'll enter exit. The main entrance will be the end of the building like the from the patio. From the patio. I got you. Okay. Okay. Where the current like um welcoming station is there, but that'll that'll remain the same, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. We want to set it up so you couldn't just walk in off the side. Yeah. Purposely walk over there, right? Right. Do you want to crash somebody's rehearsal? Yeah. Yeah. Um okay so sorry capacity how many people um I'm sure that's based on what the um village engineer calculates but how many what's the full capacity what's available we know yeah it's 12 um 1250 square feet and what is that 15 square feet a person so about about a little under 100 But they're max of course. Yeah. Yeah. Um and in terms of like uh

the you're saying that this is kind of like part of part of a a broader investment in uh the depot and and kind of thinking about its use in in future. Do you have other related plans that you're that you're moving forward for that are related to this project? Yes, we're we're working on we're plans to completely renovate the depot. Oh, cool. Um and will that be uh like will that also change the square footage of the depot or just like primarily just make it you know just kind of redo just kind of redo the end? Just redo and the biggest thing is tearing down the kitchen and rebuilding that. Um and then yeah fixing up totally renovating the inside. Okay. So when do you expect to do that? Open sometime next year. Um okay. So, we're going it's part of a broader plan for that and and I guess like that will basically just be making the existing use as a restaurant enhanced essentially. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Uh you going to keep the uh you think you're going to keep the big fireplace or no? That's probably going to have to go. Like we're still going to figure out a way to get a fireplace in there, but the I'm sure if you've been in there, it it gets tight if you're trying to create more space. It's like that thing takes up a lot of space and it generates so much heat. Yes, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. But yeah, we'll definitely have a fireplace one way or the other. Okay, cool. Um, does anyone else have any other questions? Um, Jonathan, is there anything we have forgotten to cover? No, I don't think so. Okay. Um, great. I mean, this seems really like a really cool project. Um and uh

um it seems like it'll be a great a functional addition to the village. So um I'm excited to get some of these details down and talk more about it um next time. So, I think probably what the plan should be is if you can get us all these documents um I'm going to say at least let's say a week before our next meeting. Uh we'll have a chance to review them in advance. We'll come we'll give comments, make sure there's nothing else that we need. Um if we feel like we got everything we need, we'll go ahead and schedule a public hearing at that point. So, um any questions or concerns? Can I just read back what we have? Um uh landscaping plans uh show the plans for circulation in the site. Count staff parking towards the total number of spaces and and with with kind of noting the the the spaces on on Yeah. Um show uh sight lining for pathways and then show u egress and doors. Did you get landscaping? I was guessing. Okay. Sorry. uh my lack of sleep with the 16-month-old has Swiss cheese in my memory. Would you uh would you want to see pictures of those the lighting pictures? I mean, we're never going to say no to more detail like show you the type. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think it would be great. Um Yeah. Um just double check if you could um just have something that does note the um the trees that are going to be removed just so that we kind of know the scope of that. Um so you're really asking for all of these documents by next week. Yeah. Isn't

isn't it meaning by monthly? It's yes by monthly. for it's 2 and uh 4th uh Thursday. Okay. So, our next meeting is July the 10th. That sounds right. If that's the second Yeah. Um so, yeah. Uh so, if we're asking for a week in advance, Yeah. Yeah. July the before 4th of July. If you need more time, of course. Yeah. We could do it together. Yeah. Yeah. the the main the main reason is that sometimes for reasons like what you just described if people are only able to give us plans like right before the board doesn't have a chance to actually like digest and react to them appropriately. So if it you know I would prefer it be a week in advance if it's like by the Monday before that's okay. Uh but anything closer than that we may it we just may not be able to to put it on the agenda. That's all. We should be able to have it within I probably get it 10 seven to 10 days. Yeah. And it sounds like you got to go to the planning board. I mean to the uh historic review board and do some other stuff there. So we might Yeah. So we might not be the biggest hold up that you guys as far as getting documents too. I think it's a really exciting project and I really appreciate your your uh you know capacity to to make this capital investment. Well, that's that's good. Thank you. I do appreciate that. Yeah. As long as I'm not sure. Some sure it's a I think it's really cool. Yeah. But a lot a lot of the, you know, a lot of this stuff is is challenging because it's like we want to we we're here to basically be the arbiter between the the property rights of of a property owner and what they're trying to do and what the village as a whole wants for itself.

And so it's it can be a hard thing, but I think at the end of the day, we're we all want uh something that gives everybody what they what they need from the from the process, right? Right. And uh so that's that's our that's our motivation here is just to understand and then um you know if we have small notes about things that we think you might think about um I did have one other question actually I realized I I forgotten to ask for the do you imagine that the the um the hours of operation for the event space are going to be the same as the depot or will they likely be longer for it would probably be a little bit longer. I mean, right now, weekdays, we close at 8:00, so it will be later than that, but no, I don't anticipate this being a I certainly want nothing to do with a late night kind of deal. I don't want anything to do with that. Little kids, too. But yeah, not my not what I'm looking for. Okay. So, you think like 11? 11 certainly is that might go. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think we have to drop in a village code on that. Yeah. like noise and stuff. Yeah. Um, great. Anyone else? If you do have any influence over just to We have no influence over anybody. Well, we had three we could voters that night and u there was no vote but u the the other two members were favorable. Yeah. How many members are on the store? I think it's five. It's five. See? Yeah, we're missing two. Okay. Well, and two two of the three were That's one of the That's one of the tricky things about quorum. Sometimes you want to wait until you have four people showing up just so you have more diversity of opinion, but uh yeah. Um we're we're missing one one

of our members for for this evening. So, we have we have we also have a five member board. Um, yeah. I mean, I think, uh, you know, if anyone feels so moved, we can always write an opinion and send it over to HDRB. So, I think it's it's up it's up to the board if anyone wants to do that. I'm happy if you want to do that. I'm not gonna I'm not going to volunteer, but if anyone would like to write that up. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I can write it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Um, okay. Okay. Well, I really appreciate uh you guys coming tonight and giving us uh the full info and um yeah, we'll uh wait for uh the updates and um Oh, yeah. And making sure you have generally the updated plans for whatever the most recent version is, including the the elevations. Um but yeah, we'll see you um hopefully on uh July 10, you said. Okay. All right. Great. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. All right. Do we have anyone online? Yeah, let's find out. Okay. Uh, yeah. Well, what's funny is a lot of them watch it after the fact. I I went to a party uh where um a a couple already knew me because they apparently watch all of the Oh, no. village board meetings, including ours. Yeah. No. And they had just suffered through the horrible recording of us uh when we were over at Butterfield Library, but you could I could barely hear you remotely. And uh yeah, so we do have an audience.

Thank you for tuning in everybody. Increasing those YouTube views views up to like 12. Um, all right. Um, I don't think we have any public here to give comments. So, I think we can move on from that. And, uh, anyone like to make a motion to adjourn, we can go. No, you wanted to go over your Oh, sorry. I, uh, I think I missed it. That was You should have You should have reminded me to add or should have added that to I thought it was old business. It is. It is old business, but it was not on the agenda that I sent around. So, well, we can wait until next year. No, it's it's fine. We're here. We can go ahead and do it. Um, so I mean, unless I mean, yeah, we should go over review it, but obviously Henry's not here, so yeah, we might as well. Would like to make a motion to add this to the to the agenda? Motion. I'll second this. All right. All in favor? I I All right. Great. Now it's officially on the agenda. Um you said Jonathan provided some feedback on this. I asked you as Yeah. So I did um I did mark it up a little bit. So um if we want to go I don't have back any comments, but if we want to go line by line, that's fine. Um so on the let's see is the fourth line where it starts um or sorry yeah the fourth button yes submit the application with all required and I just crossed out the word conditions I don't know if that's the the right term in this context where are we it's the third sentence on page too.

And then on the line below that, um, rather than representative should attend the next available planning board meeting, maybe just something to the effect of the next meeting once you have received confirmation that you're on the agenda or something to that effect just so people don't think they can show up at the next. Right. Right. How would I say that? Um, a representative should attend um, uh, the next planning board meeting that they have been added to the agenda. Okay. Yeah. Of always great to end the sentence with a preposition, right? And then moving on to the line that starts after the hearing. Um I just added on to the end of that uh once all conditions of approval have been met. It's probably a little bit uh redundant, but just so people know because that I know that's sometimes an issue. Yeah. After the hearing. I'm sorry. Was after basically at the end of that line. Oh. Uh saying um we'll sign resolution for approval uh once all conditions of the resolution have been met. Abigail knows I'm a stickler for those conditions. Since you're going through here, could I just make comment and hit item? I I wouldn't just put again at the beginning. I would just say the planning board typically needs um And then the last section uh that starts completion of an application is also

based upon obtaining necessary approvals. I just crossed that out. Um I think it's a little bit ambiguous and might raise more questions than provide answers for applicants because in some cases uh they may not have to get any of these kind of approvals especially if it's a change of use. Okay, that was that was the the sentence that we added from the last meeting. So, I'm happy to Okay. Yeah, it doesn't have to go for No, necessarily. No, like with the accessory apartment they did because um there were some issues there, but uh like for the usual change of use, they don't have to to go before the building inspector for that kind of stuff. Yeah. Theoretically, the building inspector has already kind of in the in evaluating for referral, I think is supposed to kind of like say, okay, your broad your plan is street legal kind of thing, right? And then we're and then we're kind of hopefully we don't suggest any changes that make to make it illegal, but uh that's if we do, it's Jonathan's fault. And then so that was all the the changes I had. Um the um line about the EAF. Um yes, even though most of the time we don't need it, I think just as a matter of practice, it's good for all applicants to submit one. And I would add to that um to be completed using the DEEC mapper tool. Okay. Wait a minute. The DC mapper tool um allows you to just

uh pull up a map and click on the parcel and then it automatically populates the EAF. Well, that might be a helpful um link. I was going to say yeah maybe want to put that in the reference resources this last one. Yeah, really. Unless you're an engineer, it's pretty tough to know that you're accurately filling out an EF. Yeah. And so for that, you could even again, thank you for doing this. This is very detailed. I think it's a long way from where we started. Yeah. And it's going to be extremely helpful to move. I hope so. It help it it will have a revolution process happen. Well, as long as people read it, right? Yeah. This is this is like if they want to get this up in a timely fashion, we we then we could say I know I just it's like you could refer to this to this 100%. I just like I'm thinking about all the applications we've had where it would have been helpful. Well, that even with our handholding and explicit requests that we still had trouble getting the things we asked for, right? But maybe maybe you then bake it into the protocol request. Yeah. as as people are applying that this automatically goes out like please you know like in like you know please make sure you read this document and understand it let us know if there any questions for it goes out and they can I mean if people didn't choose not to they can come back three or four times until uh but that again it's a waste of our time too so it would really be helpful that's that's what I like is that I think that it'll streamline what we have deal with, right? It helps us as well, right? Um,

yeah, sorry, I was thinking about the ecos thing. Um, or for or the like changes to non-permanentable services. Is that something like is that this is not non-trivial here where we we have we're going from permeable to non-permeable with the slab. Yeah. Is that uh would we get the villages village engineer to do an analysis or would ask them to do an analysis and then send it to the village to review? I think I would send it to to Will the engineer and um say, "Hey, is you know, is this something you would even look into or is it too small to even uh warrant engineering review?" Okay. Um so I can just do that. I can just send send them an email. Okay. I'll I'll do that for this. That way we have it's going to be a hot it's about being a hot roof. That's the main purpose and concrete slate slab. Yeah. How do you how do you like what do they handle that with a storm water? Yeah. Yeah. Um 1,250 ft is significant significant runoff. You got to make sure it doesn't right onto the tracks. Half on the tracks, half on the sideline. Yeah, it seems like they get proper drainage as there is now. But you, as I know when I pave my driveway, it does change things. So they they might find they might find that they really will have a different flow with the rain water. Yeah. Well, and and I wasn't kidding about how much water trees suck out of the ground. It's non-trivial. Yep. Um Okay, I'll follow up a little on that. Anything else?

Make a motion that we uh close the meeting for tonight which is I don't even know the date, the 26th of June. Adjourn adjourn the meeting for uh tonight which is June 26, 2025. I'll second it. All in favor? I thank everybody. Thank you. He stopped recording.