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The action in that resolution is simply to transmit this, this sales tax item. To the county elections office, and for them to include it in the November election. So tonight, you know, we won't be actually approving any kind of taxes. The action in that resolution is simply to transmit this, this sales tax.

I think just to the county trip back for the last 6 months, I guess, and we'll be discussing. So tonight we won't be actually.

We have a goal of spending a certain amount of money at a certain staffing level. However, we have not achieved that staffing level. So at the end of the year, we've actually come back and we've been even or we've been saving money overall. But in the long term, it doesn't work when we start to project out five years because our expenses are continuing to rise faster than our revenues. So that's kind of the big picture of it. In order to solve this, we've been looking at both sides of the equation. We've been looking at both the expenditure reductions and the revenue side of it. I'm kind of happy to report that over this last year, we've been working on the expenditure side, and so far we have cut north of a million dollars from our budget to try and again address some of this issue that's ongoing. Because in the future, the goal is to get back to a place where we can be full staffing, achieving all of the CIP projects that we want, and not be in a budget deficit.

That's what we're trying to achieve.

um i'm so i mentioned that there's two sides of the equation here on the revenue side of it one of the things that staff identified last late last year is that there's a potential for a three eight cent sales tax addition um currently within our cap so the state of california puts a cap on what the local sales tax amount can be so this would um be within that cap it's interesting about this that this can actually be pursued by other agencies and for example part of our current cap is being taken up by mst and they have a 0.125 sales tax that is currently paid here by um people who shop within pacific grove as well next slide So the council had the forethought going into the budget cycle last year, over two year budget, to put some goals and some focus areas within our community goals and work plan that will start to address some of this. So one of those areas was fiscal sustainability and the other one was infrastructure. And within each of these focus areas, we had several tasks that we've been working towards to try and address the issues again in the long term. Also that evening, we discussed, so I'm sorry, let me back up a second. So on the first night that we kind of came back to you and we started to work on this, if you will, it was on November 17th of 2025. And at that evening, we presented the council a five-year forecast update. So when we adopted our forecast six months earlier, it had a certain picture to it. We know what that deficits look like. We figured four or five months later after we closed the prior budget year, we came back and showed you how that adjusted some of the numbers. We also showed you the initial CIP plan. Next slide. So the table we're looking at is actually the one that you saw a few weeks ago. This was in our midterm of our two-year budget. So you approve of the changes in the budget that reflect here in this table. I think what this table is showing us a couple of things. One, it shows us that starting in 2526, because 2425 is actuals, that's how we close that year. you'll see that um our revenues again are projected to to grow slower than the expenses um the reason for the expenses going faster are just generally um just three percent a year if you're looking at all kinds of uh um appreciation that's just what it's what it comes out to so you have to put some factor to it so three percent a year is basically what we've created in that baseline The line before that shows how this deficit each year affects what is the deficit that we're projecting on that. And then at the bottom of the chart here, you can see how that affects our reserve levels. So we currently have a reserve policy that we want to achieve 25% at the minimum. um because we've had sustained years of not spending enough money not enough money but not spending what we budgeted we've ended up you know with a little bit higher level of reserves but that's also given us now more time to address what we're going through today before we have to get to a place where we think about any cuts that are detrimental to our to the services to the residents another thing though i think that is that is maybe is not apparent right away in this table but if you were to think back to what we adopted in our first two-year budget is in 25 26 when we first adopted that budget the deficit was 1.9 million as you can see here we're we're projecting at our mid mid year in march that we would close the year about 1.4 million so we picked up a half a million dollars and when we close the year we think it's going to be even less you know so we haven't we'll we'll come back to you in a few months with that information 26 27 when we first projected this was it was 2.5 million and we've cut that down to 1.6. So that's some of the headway that we've made. And the way that affects our reserve levels is when we started, our reserve levels in 25-26 were at 36%, and in 29, it went down to 5%. So you can see with the savings from the prior year and 24-25, and with some of the cuts that we've made, we've been able to extend it out further. So we're looking better on that reserve level for a longer term. Next slide. Also on the November 17th, we presented to you the first kind of initial draft of a five-year CIP program. And this is more of a spending program than all the nuts and bolts of the CIP projects themselves. But this was our starting point. So we used our facility assessment that we had finished up of all of our facilities around the city that laid out specific schedules on the work that needs to be done every year to keep those facilities in good condition. And also it's a catch up because we have also been keeping up with that. other thing we use with our pavement management plan and that also dictates how much we should be spending each year to keep up on our streets so the bottom line here showed that um the next five years we need about this is only general fund so there's 11.6 million dollars that's currently unfunded we do have other funds that come from measure x that are not included in this um and then in the future years after that another 9.4 so over the first 10 years uh we're looking at about 21 million dollars that we should be funding um and what we know today in our capital needs Next slide. Last thing we discussed on the 17th was this idea of the potential sales tax. We anticipate that based on our current trends within sales tax, that it would mean about a million dollars a year of additional revenue. And again, this is just a 3.8 cent. And again, to kind of highlight that if the City of Pacific Grove didn't pursue this and eventually acquired, it's possible that like MSD could put it on the ballot countywide and could try to acquire it. then the money would be spent elsewhere within the county perhaps some in pacific grove as well so that evening the council agreed to approve a contract with boston measures to investigate the feasibility of the sales tax idea and um we went out and we did some polling then in early in early february and then we present those results on march 18th next slide So the poll that I mentioned that we did consisted of 427 Pacific Grove residents that were randomly selected by our pollster. He asked them all the same question that you see in front of you. He went through this in three different iterations. One was initially how they felt about it. And then he asked it again after he provided some arguments in favor of why somebody might vote for it. And then he asked them again after they went through a bunch of questions and more arguments against such a measure. And next slide will show you the results of that. So the results of the initial ballot test was that 68% of the people who were surveyed favored the sales tax measure. Overall, after they put in some positive arguments and added some positiveness to it, 69% of the people were in favor. And then once they gave them a bunch of negative arguments against why somebody might not vote for this, 63% of the people still said that they voted in favor. So the outcome of that exercise was that it is a feasible effort for the city to look at. Next slide. So after the Council heard those results, you directed us to continue forward with doing some educational outreach to our citizens and doing some more public outreach. So here's some of the things we did. We developed a dedicated website with a list of FAQs. We put together a fact sheet that we've used, and we also provided another opportunity for people to do some their own feedback on a separate survey that was very unique to the original survey that was given to the 427 unique people. So we put that out there for them. We also did a whole bunch of social media posts and media releases, but mostly we had, I guess the biggest thing we did was a series of meetings. And this is a total of 19 meetings and it consists of our boards and commissions and it consists of our local kind of service organizations, such as Pacific Grove Kiwanis and Rotary. We also talked to the school district board or school district, the president, OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE SUPERINTENDENT AND SOME OF THEIR SUPPORTING STAFF WHEN WE MET WITH THEM. WE HAD A COUPLE OF WIDE OPEN COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND LISTEN AS WELL AND MOVE INTO THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT REALLY GOES INTO THE DETAILS MORE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEMONSTRATING TO THE COUNCIL THIS LAST YEAR OF THIS BUDGET SHORTFALL ISSUE. NEXT SLIDE. so following all that effort um we went back and worked with the pollster and the props and measures and um based on the the the information that we got from the poll and based on some of the feedback that we heard from people as we went out and talked to them we revised the question a bit um that has been drafted here before you tonight this is the question that would be included in the resolution that we would transmit to the county that would then go on to the ballot so This question basically describes it would be a 0.375% sales tax, general sales tax that would be used for general purpose. We think it would be about $1 million a year and it would have a sunset of 10 years on it. So in 10 years, it would stop going forward. Next slide. So to kind of I guess give you the overview of the again the sales tax measure what what there is to consider again it's a three eight cents and it would generate about a million dollars for 10 years. The remaining portion, you know, again, you know we one of the one of the interest here would be probably keeping the money within pacific grove this generating pacific growth. It is possible for other agencies to acquire that if they get to it first slide. The way this works, it is the transaction and use tax portion of the local sales tax. To give you some perspective on what 3.8 cents actually means, I gave you a couple of touch points there. So the first one is on a $10 purchase, it would cost somebody approximately 3 cents, 3.75 cents or close to 4 cents. On a $100 purchase, it would be 37.5 cents. And on a $1,000 purchase, it would be $3.75. So that would be the added portion that a 0.375 or 3.8 cent sales tax would add. Looking back at the history of Pacific Grove, when we looked at other sales tax measures, we found that in 2019, it was reported that they conducted a study or they commissioned a study, I believe, working with our sales tax consultants. And they found that about 70 percent of the people who are 70 percent of the sales tax revenue in Pacific Grove is coming from people who are who don't live in Pacific Grove. They're visitors in one way or another, tourists or neighboring communities or somebody else. But that's what they found then. we're taking a little bit more conservative just for tonight because we don't have that detailed study yet and we say probably at least 50 would be about the number of of how much people would contribute who don't live in pacific grove next slide so to prepare all these documents on the city attorney's office i've reached out to a special counsel michael color to tuano i believe is the that's a that's uh the name it will ask him to clarify that if i got it wrong sorry about that michael um but he put together all the detailed documents that we need to be able to transmit over to the county um so those documents again include a resolution and also a draft ordinance that will go along with the resolution the council's not approving that resolution now but if the voters approve it'll come back to and then you'll approve it. Next slide. So the proposal is to send this to the County Elections Department for inclusion in the November election of this year. The council, in order for them to you to transmit this to the county, it does take a forfeits vote of the full city council. So that's five affirmative votes. And that's in order for this to be, again, placed on the ballot in November. Basically, this package has to get to the county by August 7th. We do have one more city council meeting. With summer things happening, we thought that tonight might be one of your last golden opportunities, but the council always has discretion to schedule other meetings or to try and squeeze that in if you wish to. It is a general tax, so it just requires the 50% plus one to approve it by the voters. Next slide, so this is your final actions that before you tonight for the Council to consider again it's to adopt the resolution and it's to direct staff to transmit the resolution to the county elections department. And you know we're available for questions, but I also want to point out really quickly, I guess, others we have administrative services director marsh directors. i'm so deputy city manager how would be special counsel Michael call it to call it to to y'all that's a long name Michael and city attorney lurker we have Alex wanna market. We have also practiced that last name of props and measure and also Robin Garrity of props and measures is also with us. So we have quite a few people who are at your disposal, but that'll hand it over.

Thank you, Matt. Thank you to everyone who's worked on this file. We appreciate all guys being here tonight. And we're gonna go ahead and take it out to the public. Do we have anyone online wishing to comment and anyone in chambers wishing to comment? Come forward if you're in chambers.

I do have one hand raised on mine, Mayor. Go ahead. You have the floor. Thank you. Well, we all know this preordained vote. This is technically preordained. I mean, it's already set up. This majority council has never not voted to get more money in some way or another and spend it. And they have wasted already $250,000 on trying to raise their, with the props and measures and the this and the that. And tonight I'm sure we're paying all those consultants again to do this. And Stafford did a survey that they'd paid for because they weren't quite happy enough with it. They wanted to do it again. We have, I think, yes. city manager a half a year has been spent and a half a year's general fund has been spent on trying to get all more money more money to miss spend so i'm having a problem with this And I'm having a problem with, oh, yes, shop local. We're going to have the highest tax measure. You know, sometimes people are just going to go out of town. And if it's only 3.375 per 100, you know what? It all adds up from garbage to utilities to other taxes to everybody wanting more, more, more. Hey, settle for less, less, less, because less is more. Thank you very much. Chris Thomas. Chris Thomas, did you want to speak?

Yes, can you hear me? Yes. So it's projected to raise $1 million a year and half of the revenue will be generated by visitors, which means our citizens will contribute half a million dollars to the annual increased revenue. If the population of Pacific Grove is 15,000 people, That's $33 per person per year, an insignificant amount. And with an amount that small per citizen, it will go a long way to helping ensure the financial sustainability of Pacific Grove. And I highly encourage the adoption of the tax increase. Thank you.

Thank you for their hands online. Mr. Mayor.

So, Mike gives up citizen Pacific growth. I'll just make it short. Um, I don't really. No, which way this should go, but just a couple of comments. And it's pretty persuasive to say, if we don't do it, somebody else will. So let's bring money into Pacific growth. So that's a persuasive argument. A 2nd, the recent elections have shown us votes that the appetite for citizen tax increases is pretty low. And a number of measures failed across the state actually. My, my only question here and I don't know if you can answer it, maybe I missed it somewhere along the way if it does not pass that million or so million or so dollars does not come in, then what's the plan. to cut a million dollars or raise the money someplace else so that's all i wanted to say um the previous gentleman makes a good point for most of us that's not a lot of money it's kind of insignificant don't get a starbucks once a week and you could probably make up the difference so thank you for having to make these difficult decisions thank you very much

All right, go ahead and close the column on the item, bring it back to the Council for discussion. I'll go out to. Or I'm sorry, I'll just say that I, you know, I agree with. One of the callers that this is a very important for the city, and I think it is extremely persuasive. that we want to capture that tax and not allow another local agency to capture the tax um i think that so i definitely think we need to put this before the voters and the voters can choose to close that budgetary gap that we have through this mechanism or or not so you know ultimately it's going to be a vote of the people on november 3rd so i i will uh go to any of my colleagues council member

Thank you, Your Honor. And thank you for the comments from the folks that called in and were here. I tend to agree that, you know, I think the voters should decide. And if I think to answer the question, what's the plan? If we are short, then we are going to have to cut. And I think then we're going to have to make some hard decisions, whether it's going to be public safety, whether it's going to be infrastructure, whether it's going to be recreation department. And I think, unfortunately, that those cuts, if you look at how lean the city is running right now, those cuts are going to hurt a lot of people. And I think that they'll have a lot of unintended consequences to the people that need those services. I think the one thing that we've also done a very nice job of through Public Works and through Mr. Mogenson is put a plan into place to address the infrastructure neglect that we've had over these vast many years and the fact that we are moving forward to try and catch up on that i think is significant um you know i heard an old plumber once say you know it's not going to get better it's only going to get worse so you either fix it now or you fix it later and when you fix it later it's going to cost a lot more So from my perspective, I think we should let the voters weigh in. And I do hope that they see that, you know, this is just another way for us to be able to continue down that road for sidewalks for sewers for roads for stop signs, and all the other things that you know, we're trying to do here. improve our quality of life. So for me, I think we do take it out to the voters and I'll be voting yes.

Thank you very much. Council Member Garfield.

Thank you, Mayor. so this percent little bitty extra part of the cap on sales tax has been under discussion since the first time i was on council in 2016 and so at that time we didn't do anything so what's happened since then everything got more expensive Our revenues are softened and not only did things get more expensive, because the work itself and materials are more expensive, but because the work that needs to be done is more extensive, so we have some real clear examples of what happens when you kick the can down the road. and I think we could have done a better job of saying, here's the deficit, here's what we're losing by not funding the infrastructure repairs that need to be done. I mean, we can see it real clearly on the jetty at Lovers Point, what happens when you don't take care of it. But we have all sorts of examples all over the place of what's happened by not acting on this sooner. The point of another agency hosting an election that's more persuasive in some ways, like MST, it always sounds good to say, you pass this little sales tax that those people over there will pay and you'll get better roads. That's a pretty persuasive argument for somebody maybe in Greenfield or Soledad. We'll get those rich people in Pebble Beach to pay that sales tax and we'll have better roads. I think the people of Pacific Grove deserve better roads that we pay for. So I would also like to point out what the purpose of a reserve is. A reserve buys you time to make decisions that you then match to your reality. What we've done is build a surplus by not doing the things that need to be done. And that's not a savings. That's just not doing your job. So I want to remind us that that large reserve we have wasn't earned by having a really good operation in place and and saving money it was done because we didn't do the things that needed to get done i think it's time to get those things done this helps us doesn't fix it helps us um to the folks that are experts that are listening i have one question in the uh proposed wording it talks about services and i want to know what we might do to make very clear that we are not hosting this sales tax piece of the cap to provide regular services like planning or permitting or things like that, but for infrastructure needs that have been unmet. And I don't want people to be confused that we're having a structural deficit in our regular PROVISION OF WORK, BUT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE ARE FOR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. SO WOULD SOMEBODY, IS THERE SOMEONE WHO CAN COMMENT ON THAT AND WHETHER THE WORDING SERVICES DOESN'T CREATE THAT SCENARIO, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME.

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NEW SPEAKER THROUGH THE MAYOR IF I MIGHT. Oh, there he is. Michael, did you just turn my camera on? Yeah, I got the question. I didn't turn my camera on because it's hogging my bandwidth. In order for this to be a general tax approved by 50% of your voters, it has to be informed a general fund revenue that the council can spend for any lawful purpose of the city. So we could not make legally binding a promise to use it only for infrastructure. But that doesn't mean that you can't communicate clearly to your public that your intent to use this money is for such infrastructure. You could adopt a proposed budget to be implemented only if the measure passes to tell people concretely, if it passes, here's the appropriation. And you can message consistently about how... You went away.

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The other side of that coin is if we did. Talk about a specific like that, then you're looking at special tax, which is subject to the higher approval rating.

but his ideas about you can pass a budget contingent upon it noting that what gets taken out of the budget are all infrastructure items that's right so you can do that and of course messaging and and um presentations and things like that okay thank you that that um those are some constructive ideas thank you very much thank you thank you guys um yeah um sorry nichols was first joe and then we'll go to you councilmember mormon thank you very much mr mayor um so quick question for staff i wanted to understand um

For the 2% cap, so for the other county organizations that have access to that remaining amount, do you know of any other ones that are currently considering this as an option? I'm just wondering like for timing wise, and then how long does it typically take? For the question is, can any other organizations sneak in? Because we're about five months until this would be voted and all of that. How does that typically work? If you know of anyone that are currently out there talking about it and then can they sneak in now that we've potentially started our conversations about?

Council Member Moreland, so in terms of other organizations, I might ask a couple of people who sit on those boards if they've heard anything, but they would have to comply with the same deadlines as us, which is getting to the county elections office by the 7th of August. I don't know that those things are actively in process. I know that MST is looking at renewing its contracts existing sales tax at 1.125. They also have a budget deficit, so perhaps next year they look at a special tax or a special election or something. I don't know, you know, but perhaps some of the different council members know.

uh yeah mayor yes um uh i represent mst obviously and um uh they're talking about renewing the what they have now um but um their deficit spending is um appears to be a lot worse in five years so uh but that they have a measure that's been approved last time they're just going to re-up it is what's going to be i don't know if it'll be on this november election yet so um the other thing i was going to mention was i don't know if i answered that question right but there's 13 members here i mean at mst uh from different cities and stuff so uh what i heard last time i heard the budget deficit it was major but they're talking about a lot at mst but it's they're just going to re-up that i want to say don't quote me on this i think it's measure q uh what they have they're going to re-up it again but i don't know if it's going to go into the november uh we haven't talked about that if it's going to be on this section but i was going to mention i don't know if that answered your question or not

I believe it was Council Member Moreland. Oh, I'm sorry.

It was just MST. Is there a likelihood this will be a competing tax with another organization going for the same amount of a ballot? Is that unlikely?

I think the answer to that is no, not this year. No, not this year, no.

I don't see, oh, you have?

Oh, yeah, thank you. Go ahead and continue. Okay, thank you. You know, I've been on the council for, uh 18 say it about close to seven years now and uh this is the worst i've seen our budget uh and uh when i when we started we had in the constant 35 percent reserve constantly it was always there and uh we tend to be swimming you know the expenditures are going to continue in pacific grove that's what's going to continue in city of pacific grove and it's important that we i'm i'm pro on this, I think this is very important, and as what gasoline raw said. Let the voters decide I, I think this is a no brainer because I look at it as if it and not. threatening anybody, but if it doesn't pass then future Councils who's ever on board in the next three or four years, you're going to have to make some serious. Serious cuts and i'm going to say it plainly like that, and this is what i've seen and i'm all for this new tax, thank you, Councilman Donna.

Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, and I think that the important distinction, like the city manager Muguntham pointed out, is that we're not enacting anything here. We are putting it out to the voters. We've identified. One of the things I appreciate is this council has said some very important goals for us are fiscal sustainability and infrastructure. And so that led to what is a five year and a 10 year projection, which we normally haven't had in the past. And so I think that it's easy to say it's been irresponsible spending. We're going to have this deficit in the future. This is just if we go on what's been happening. And so we're really looking at where can we make a difference that really helps the community that we represent. So our goal is to represent the community in a way that best provides for the service and the infrastructure. We recognize that infrastructure is really at that state where if we don't do something soon, it could become even more, it would be a different scale of becoming more expensive than it may have been to this point. And so for, and I really appreciate the caller who pointed out and in the slides too, that for $33 per person in the community, that's a pretty small price to play where collectively we can actually make a huge difference in really maintaining the community for our current citizens and those to come. So I just wanted to point out that it is because we're looking at how to have that financial sustainability. And part of the idea of the survey, it wasn't just about, can we tax people? It was about what is important to people. And if these things are important to our community, would you support a tax to do that? Because if not, we'll have to make other choices. So this is really putting everything in the hands of the voters. So I see this as a really positive thing. We're not making decisions here for anyone. we are just bringing the opportunity for the citizens to decide do you want to do to contribute this small amount to make a really huge impact on kind of the the health if you want to call it of the city and our infrastructure so um i see that as very a positive step where we really are looking to the future and seeing what we can best do to serve our community so obviously i will support putting it on the ballot and the citizens will decide if it's something that they want to do it does give us a chance to keep these funds local we don't know if somebody will come to take that small percentage but the nice thing is is we we guarantee we keep it local if we do it now but again up to the citizens to decide and i think it's very important for us as a council to vote to put it out to the public for them to make that decision

Thank you.

I'd like to make a motion. 3A is a resolution of the City Council of the City of Pennsylvania submitting a transaction and use tax to the city's voters at the election to be held on November 3rd, 2026. I'll make a motion to adopt. i'll make recommendation one and two uh i'll ask mr walker do i i could make that yeah okay rather than saying okay second any further discussion yes discussion go ahead do any of the experts listening in have any further commentary for us to consider we've we've had them arrayed and

Mr. Colentino answered a very good question. I'm wondering if anybody else, if they're seeing anything we're not asking, we're not thinking of that we should consider.

We can ask, but the paper's there and this is what we got tonight. But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Mr. Colentino has nothing. It's the exact question.

I think it's Michael, but...

What is the exact question that you're wondering about?

I guess I don't have a question, but they've listened to our deliberations. They are experts in this. And I would not want to miss a consideration in our discussions that they are expert in.

Well, I mean, that would be outside of the recommendations. It would be like a. Something else, I guess. Right.

I don't necessarily. Yeah, I don't think she's talking about changing the recommendation. I think she's saying, are there any pitfalls, any considerations that we haven't thought about that we need to? Do we need any other piece of information as we move forward with this, perhaps?

Okay.

It might be no.

But knowing no would be information. Yep.

Mr Mayor, if I if I could maybe start this and then I'll I will ask if. Perhaps Alex can can help out with the timing we discussed but. we've talked about doing an informational mailer that's one of them, one of the pieces that we'd be left with if should the Council send this forward so and probably i'm actually don't remember exactly the timing, maybe. Alex can help with that when the best time is but this will be a piece that would just educate people further on the issue we can't after today we have to be careful any kind of advocacy um so this would be vetted by the attorneys and stuff but Alex do you have a

yeah hi um I just wanted to first to answer your question and to give some commentary and working with the city staff you've done the outreach you can see from the Community meetings that have been held and going out and speaking to folks that you've gone out there and you've gathered the feedback and that's all part of this process. as you go out and talk to residents and you consider putting something on the ballot. So just kudos for doing that and being able to ask people their opinions and take that feedback. So I think that was really key part of this process. And yes, the city manager mentioned that kind of, if you were to place the measure on the ballot tonight, then you have the August 7th deadline. There is an opportunity to send out an informational mailer That highlights that the council has taken action, giving more information to residents about what's happened in the city, give some more information on your budgetary issues and kind of what you've done and highlight anything like that. So there's potential for that. And we've been working with the city manager and city attorney to see if that's an option. But I just wanted to highlight that, you know, you've

taken the right steps in doing this and you've uh gotten to a place where you should feel good about um you know taking it up as a council as a whole tonight on our panel have any final parting thoughts because actually that was i like that was very nice thoughts thank you alex so there's a panel that would like to uh make a comment I don't know who else is online. I can't see them all. Okay. All right. Anybody? No, good question. Good question. All right. I guess we will take any further discussion. Okay. Let's take a voice vote on this. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, this is 6-0 vote. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you to everyone online for coming tonight. um the motion passes thank you everyone here tonight after the holiday here everyone's here just had our fourth of july weekend so any event i appreciate everyone coming thank you so much for the input by the community on this item and by our and thank you for all the deliberation and uh meetings adjourned okay all right okay