Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

Is it on? Okay. Okay. So, we're back online and we do have a motion. We have a second. Motion. We have a motion. You got a second. Second. Second. Okay. There's no other discussion. Do you want to call a roll? Commissioners York. Hi. Carlson. Nay. Garver. Hi. Peterson. Nay. Mayor Lindstöm. Hi. Motion carries.

Okay. Now we'll move on to new business and we have a reszone hearing. Thank you. Can you bring that signed waiver to the city?

Absolutely. the reszoning for the city or for 705 West Fifth Street and uh planning and zoning conducted their hearing on March 31st, 2026 for the proposed ordinance for Rodney Tim for a reszone at 705 West Fifth Street from combined zoning of general business that's lot one portion and residential for lot two portion to general business only and recommends Approval of passage planning and zoning also approved Rodney's conditional use request of mixed use which is commercial residential to allow for residential living during Rodney's ownership of the property and I will conduct a hearing now if you want to just wait a minute in case anybody has any questions for you.

Okay.

Okay. Okay. This is the time and place for the hearing of the proposed reszone for the property of owned by Rodney Tim located at 705 West Fifth Street. The hearing is now open. The purpose of this hearing is to hear public comments on the request to reszone the property located at 705 West Fifth Street from combined general business and residential to general business only. If any member of the city commission has conflict of interest with this issue, they should so state and abstain from participation in this hearing. Anyone? Okay. Rodney is requesting a reszone of this property combined zoning of general business on lot one and residential on lot two westmost garage bay to general business for the entire property. Planning and zoning approved this conditional use request for mixed use to allow for residential living at the property. And Rodney, you want to come up in case and speak on this issue

and in case any of you have any questions for him?

What would you like to know? Is it Do any of you have any questions? What's the What do you plan to use the property for? Because all we got is a reszone. We don't know. We don't we haven't heard anything about what it is that you're planning. Well, I I turned it into a living quarters in the east east part of the building because my wife had a stroke and so we're living in there. So, and the reason I went ahead and did it is because when I bought it, it was already residential and commercial. So, otherwise, I wouldn't even thought of doing it. So

when he came in when he came in for the building permit it was and looking at it the zoning for residential was on the east side of the building commercial on the west side and it was so it wasn't like you can do both and it was clearly when the line runs through the building they mean that right so we couldn't issue the building permit for where he had built the or intended to build the residential portion so it was kind of staff generated to clean it up to say let's redo the whole thing as general business with the conditional use for the residential for any other questions for Ronnie

if not um are there any proponents to this issue in the audience are there any opponents to this issue hearing nothing further the public hearing is now closed And I would now entertain a motion for a first reading on this resone. Motion. Okay. Thank you. Second. We don't need a second. The first reading.

Okay. Next on the agenda is um airport FAA grant agreement and KLJ KLJ engineering has submitted an FAA grant for a fuel project design for $56,50 that will be funded 95% through this grant with the state and local contribution covering the other 5% and it would be um cities would be 2.5 and it would be $1,475. $5 and a motion is needed to approve this grant agreement.

Yeah. Are there any I'm Eron Storm with KJ and I'm your I'm a professional engineer and I work with other airports around the uh state and region. And uh this I spoke with you guys last meeting. Um, I wasn't able to get on the agenda last meeting, but we've worked out a few things and now this time I was able to be on the agenda. And, uh, as you were saying, you know, you ran through the costs. It's a

it's for it's for a design project for the fuel system upgrade and the city share is $1,475. Are there any questions that I can answer? What is the main reason you want to do this? Um, or what are the reasons? You and I have had plenty of talks in the last Yeah, my my two-page letter outlined it really well. Um, I gave that to all the commissioners last meeting. Um, but if you'd go over it because the people on Sure. outside don't know what Sure.

Um, where should I start? um you have a really nice airport. Um your pavement conditions are um in a in a very good condition. So when the airport when the FA is looking at your uh your CIP, which means a capital improvement program, um they want to look at safety projects first. Um if there's anything wrong with uh your runway safety areas, um those have to be top of the list. you're u meeting everything at your airport. And so this is a revenue generating project that um that we had proposed many years ago and it's just moved its way up the CIP list. And um your existing capacity is undersized for the amount of aircraft that you guys are running through there with your um you have a flight school called Dakota Aviation. And they have um lots of student pilots out there that are um getting flight instruction by certified pilots. And so they're going through a lot of fuel. So, this uh upgrade, the project is for an upgrade to a 10,000gallon tank and it would also include a 247 card reader that could be accessed at any time because right now you're the system for paying for fuel is

just contact the airport manager and work with him. So, it's kind of archaic and um you can understand I mean you can sell a lot more fuel when you have credit card machine. So it will generate more fuel sales over time and pay for itself. Any other questions? Would there still be the ability to charge fuel with the system to like right now people can charge without paying? And that can can be a control that's set up um through the design and and you guys can we can discuss that as far as how to manage um to allow it or not.

Yeah. If you have members or whatever of the airport that just certain, you know, that want a invoice annually or something for their fuel. Okay. I certainly see that that's uh fine to to get their fuel sales um covered. However, the city wants to generate that that sale. Okay. We have a 2500gallon tank at this time. 2,000. Yeah. Okay. How often are we filling that now? Um probably um your airport manager could answer that a little bit uh better than I could, but I have talked to him a lot. Um and it's multiple times a year. Um three three to four roughly.

Yeah, I think it was

it'll it'll vary a little bit, but that's kind of where it's been. Even on the top of page two when uh when we took some statements from the airport manager actually it's listed here that it's you're approximately filling it every um a little over a month at a time. So says here every five weeks approximately you're trying to get they're trying to coordinate split loads from a tanker that comes from out of town up here or does come from out of town. So you're and it's hard to coordinate those split loads because a tanker truck is is an 8,000galon load. So if you had a bigger tank, then you could be able to to offload a full tanker and that would be a lot easier to to order.

Yes. But my question was how often you just said two to three times a year. Three or four is what it six to 8,000 gallons a year. It's probably more than that. That's kind of what we kind of looked at it a little bit. It's we looked at it today and go back about three years. Mhm. We didn't have exact gallons, but roughly 30 to $35,000 a year. Now, if you took say $4, I can guess is pretty dang close and divide that that's about 8 to 9,000 gallons a year. So,

now we're bringing it in at 1500 gallons. We got 2,000 gallon tank. We don't want to run empty. So, we're bringing that in at about 1,500. We just got some in last week and we'll let you finish and then because I don't want to butt in front of you. I just I think of fuel sitting in the tank. I don't know about airplane fuel. It's not anything I'm aware of. It can sit there for that long and be okay. Yep. It does have a long shot. Yeah.

But also, we're buying in at January's prices or whenever we filled it. So, let's say right now it's five something a gallon and it gets down to three. We bought 6,000 gallons, 7 8,000 gallons at five bucks a gallon. How are we charging in September a pilot? Is does it ever does the fuel ever go up and down for that pilot? Yep. um in se like in September your uh basically your fuel sales pricing can go up any month or any week you want it to go up as far as what you charge at the airfield.

Yeah. Because if you're buying higher regular fluctuate who's making these decisions right now when I know what's the charge Chris York is flying into Canton and he's going to get fuel. Who's deciding how much I'm paying for that fuel? Andrew or or Dave? Dave might have

May I address that question? Uh Dave Ammonson. I'm a member of the airport board. The board meets every month and whenever there is a fuel delivery, we look at that price and adjust the fuel price uh every month as needed. And what do you understand? What are you charging? What do you up your fuel?

Uh we have been upping it, I believe 25 to 30 cents somewhere in that area. are because we do check the prices of all the surrounding airports to try to be competitive with them and frequently what drives a fit of our pricing is the Lever airport who tends to be low and so

yeah and then uh just at last month's board meeting which was two days ago um there. The board is also taking action to uh to look at pricing for for other things at other area airports as well, not just fuel prices, but every uh every community that I work with that has their airport, they all have a board that meets monthly and that's when fuel sales are reviewed by the board that's in charge of that. So your your airport operates similarly to every other community that has an airport board. Dave, this might be a question for you.

I drove out to the airport. I didn't go inside. You gave it a shot. But can you explain? I'm guessing the white tank out there, which is a 2,000gallon tank, is the tank you're used. Yes. What's the two semis and what's the red tanks for? Uh would be for jet fuel for the uh agricultural aircraft that spray in the summertime.

That's in where in which is it in the red tanks or is it in one of the two semis? I you know I'm not absolutely sure but I'm guessing that what the fuel would be in the semi and that the red tanks would be you know for their what they might be spraying but I I'm not absolutely sure on that

but it would be it would be related to the agricultural spraying that occurs because the air one of the aircraft that is used uh actually two of them now are turborop aircraft and they have to have jet fuel uh which is a completely different ball game than the 100 lowled that a piston engine uh airplane requires. It's just completely separate. So does every airplane that's out there have to buy fuel through that white tank?

No. I mean, there have been a few people that have brought in fuel uh because their aircraft was certified for automobile gas and and so brought some in. But since then, we have switched or they have added a tank for automobile gas as well and that's not totally up and running yet, but they're working on it. But the majority of the airplanes require 100 lowled and are not certified for that's that's a special certification the airplane has to have.

And I would just add if you have any other questions most of these are kind of direct towards Marshall Christensen. Yeah. that would know a little bit more, but but Dave knows the majority of that those answers because as they all they all the whole board and the manager discuss fuel sales monthly. I will say that I've been a little frustrated that the airport manager has never come to the meetings even though we have consistent conversations about the airport. Um so I'm not really sure why we're not seeing him. Sure. And I was actually on the phone with him this week, a week ago tonight, and I told him to make sure he came to the meeting tonight. The uh

I would not be in favor of let me just $33,000 divided by four, you're 9,000 gallons. I'd have been in the field business for 25 years. I don't recommend. And then no farmer or construction worker or whatever until they are if they got a 10,000gallon tank and you said 8,000 now unless this 100 LL weighs more. Gas is about the big semis that they're you're saying you want are bringing me 9,300 gallons of diesel and gas weighs less than diesel. So I'm going to guess around that 10,000 gallons is a for a full semi. You're not going through 10,000 gallons in a year. And I go back to when do farmers when does it make sense for them to go from a tank wagon of like a 2500 or a 3,000galon or 4,000gallon truck? When does it make sense to make the bump up to a semi when you have at least four deliveries in a year? That'd be 40,000 gallons, roughly 40,000 gallons a year. And Dave, I'm not here to badmouth the board or anything, but I've had plenty of conversations, likely ones just in the last week. And now I I got a text today that you're looking into it. But I guess when I got on this board, I got on the board for the citizens of camp. I think the first thing we need to do is make that airport self-sufficient because I'm having a hard time with with somebody that's barely making it in this town living paycheck to paycheck and the check is usually gone two days before they get the next one. I'm having a hard time telling them people that oh by the way about five five cent or five bucks a

year paycheck is going to subsidize the airport. To me that's not right. So, what's in front of us is a study. I don't think we need to study it a whole lot. If you don't want that guy there to have to fill up your airplane or fill up Andrew's airplane, I know you can get a key system 10 to$15,000. these grants that we get that we we only have to pay $1,400 or$1475. That's only if that airport stays open for the next 20 years. If it would happen to close for any reason, they're coming back to the city of Canton for every last dollar that we Okay, because of that, I cannot be for I'm sorry.

All all your uh city boards uh are created to work together. So, if you want to voice any opinions that you have, I'm sure you could go to the open monthly um board meeting at the airport to to work out any kind of um issues that you're trying to do, you know, work on lease prices to make the proper income to have the airport, you know, a balance, you know, have a balance sheet. That can all be worked on if everybody works together as a team and the city board should all work together. They were we we did have a meeting at the city hall. Andrew, how long ago was that? It was at least a month ago, not

two, three months ago. They said they were going to take it home and get back to us. Dave, thank you for being here tonight, but you see you're the only one here. the the airport board did take action at their last month meeting to to do the study to get check the prices of all all area airports to make sure they're consistent.

Do you mind if I take a few minutes to share some thoughts that I put together because I do feel that they do represent u you know some of the feelings and thoughts of the of the airport board. Um, you know, every year the airport board puts together a budget and as a board I feel we're very fiscally conservative. Um, we've worked really hard to keep that um, from increasing significantly from year to year. In fact, it's been close to being the same, I believe, for about the last four years or so. you know more about that topic but and so each month then we review how we are doing relative to that budget and and work very hard to stay within those boundaries. But alongside that we are also having the conversation of how do we increase revenues to close that gap a bit between the revenue and the cost. And um uh the fuel system has become a part of that discussion in recent years uh because we saw that as a possible way to increase revenue. And the hope would be with the new fuel system that the revenue would go up because pilots are reluctant to stop here to refuel when they're in route somewhere uh because they can't be assured of the availability of fuel after hours. whereas a credit card reader is something they look for in their flight planning to see if they can stop and and refuel. Um, and uh, you know, the current system is manual. It's non-recording. So, the airport manager deals with occasionally somebody forgetting to fill out the paperwork and they have to track down who may have refueled and how much and

so forth. uh and that would be taken care of by a new system and um so that's one of the areas that we've looked at for increasing revenue. The other area is um the land lease rate for private hangers and we're evaluating how we might adjust that to increase revenues. At our meeting on Saturday, we made a list of 16 uh different airports uh that we wanted to pull to find out what their current lease rates are for new uh private hangers. And so, uh, Robert Molton Elely, who is a member of the airport board, uh, agreed to, uh, have one of his staff members pull those airports and, uh, you know, get some information that'll assist us in what direction we might go in that regard. Now this is going to be the pilot in me speaking uh uh where safety is such a high priority in aviation. And so to me, the question of the fueling system goes far beyond tank capacity and uh our uh uh you know the revenue side of things and the dollars in that a new system would be far safer than what we have currently. Um, for example, uh, fuel contamination is a high priority in aviation safety. Uh, there are accidents that are caused by fuel contamination. If you were to do a search online of fuel contaminated related accidents, you would be surprised like I was uh that the uh rate

occurrence rate for that uh type of accident. So currently uh when the quantity in the of the fuel in our current tanks is checked uh the airport manager uses a stick that he puts in the tank to confirm the quantity that is there. And of course uh that always opens us up to the potential for contamination. I mean you try to be very very careful but it's still uh could be possible source of contamination. Also our current tank is a single filter tank and the new system would have multiple levels of uh filtering uh for for the fuel which which is very important. Um the new system would be a double tank and when I did research on that as to the benefits of a double wall tank um I I was surprised some of the information it came back with it said it's far safer than a single uh wall uh fuel tank. Uh and some of the examples it provided is that um uh it minimizes condensation in the tank because a double wall tank provides a buffering of the temperature flight fluctuations that occur from overnight to in the day which can affect the amount of condensation potential within the tank. Um the um other thing I've talked uh about is the safety in case it develops a leak uh in the in the tank in that it is contained then within the outer layer uh should

that occur. Um the buffering of the temperature that I just mentioned also minimizes the formation of uh you know things that grow on the walls of the tanks. uh I hadn't realized that potential of algae and things that can over time uh I say algae I don't there were other terms that they use for the organisms that can grow on the u on the side of the tank but but that is a possible source of uh contamination and the other would be a fire safety if that outer wall of the tank is breached by a vehicle running into it or an aircraft that has lost control um you know that there's nothing to keep that that runs out and into a containment area on the single wall tank. But again, there's a bit of an exposure there from a fire standpoint. Uh and so the the double wall tank provides uh a high element of safety uh for for the fuel tank. Um, and I can only assume that since this new system is designed by an engineer who's following the current FAA standards and it would be approved by the FAA. And at the airport conference, my head was spinning a bit when they described the 20 levels of approval that a grant like this goes through and the scrutiny that occurs both in areas of cost and safety. Um, I can't help but feel that it would reduce exposure to liability. uh knowing that the FAA had approved the system and it had been designed uh meeting their standards. Now,

this final thing that I'll mention is that one of the things that I'm concerned about is when we wanted to do the um uh fueling system several years ago, we could not because the FAA would not fund any projects that uh were gen uh revenue generating and uh so we had to put that on the back burner. But now they are willing to fund uh a fuel system project. The FAA every few years rotates what their highest priority items are. And of course taxiways and runway condition are always at the top of the list. But then then they include other things that they will fund as well. And we're in a period right now where they will fund fueling systems. And my concern is let's say we decided to do it three years from now. Um it might not be possible. that happened and I think I mentioned it in one of the sheets I provided that happened at Kuster where they did a $200,000 upgrade to their fueling system uh but could not get any FAA funds for it because they fell into that period where they were not covering that. Now, one other thing and then I'll I'll I'll be quiet. the I think it's important for us to all of us to work to expand our view of what the airport does for us. And I'm just going to throw out a couple of examples because we tend to uh focus on the benefit for those that have aircraft there and we don't go much beyond that.

But I'm going to throw out just a couple of examples. Uh it wasn't that many years ago that um uh a manufacturer in Canton was running behind on their production line and they were facing I'm sure some penalties on the delivery of their product if they were to bring a production line to a halt. So there were about for maybe I don't know a week or two week period they had four flights coming into Canton per day uh all you know during the day even in the middle of the night where they were taking parts from the production line rushing them to Molen Illinois uh to ensure that they met their obligations that manufacturer now uh there's probably a John Deere dealer somewhere or a John Deere tractor owner that has no idea that because of the Canton airport, they were able to get their tractor on time. And likewise, the same is for all of us. There are times when we benefit from a small community airport somewhere and we have no idea that we're benefiting from it. Um, and I throw out another example of there was somebody in the community that was badly injured. They were burned. Uh, I don't know how many years ago, maybe about five years ago. And medical personnel made the decision. His best hope of survival was to bypass Sou Falls and have a fixed wing airplane fly him from Canton directly to a burn center in Minneapolis. And so that is something that is always

a benefit that is there for any of us that might need it in the future is uh medical evacuation. So, uh, anyway, any questions before what you said was great. I mean, I'm not I'm not telling you not to have an airplane or an airport.

Yeah. Don't don't take words out of my mouth, but the thing we sat down on, Dave, I don't remember if you were there when we met in the city hall, but I got a sheet in front of us that Andrew had worked on that our hanger lease rates, and I know that's not the reason you're here, but Right. Yeah.

for the reason that I'm going is we are currently at 11.85% 85% per square foot. Just about 12 cents a square foot on your hanger rates. I made a call today that the T airport's at 40 and they have all agreed to it. It's time to look from 60 50 to 40 years ago and get caught up and then come back. Now, if you want a double wall tank, you can go buy a double wall tank. I'm going to guess that 2,000 gallons are going to cost about $12,000. I'm not saying you don't need it. Yeah,

I didn't look. If you had a dyke out there, the dyke will catch it. You're you're as far as the state, you're fine. But I think Sandy wants to get back to what we got here in front of us. I I'm asking you and your board to come and visit us. We've called besides last week. I've never gotten any call except for last week I got a couple. Come and see us. But let's go back to where we were at. Custer. Okay. When they put in their larger double wall tank that they had to pay for themselves, they said the tank was $75,000. It's not $75,000. I'll get the price tomorrow.

But it cheaper doesn't mean better. I mean, there are higher certifications, but

you 142 tank is the tank that you need. Okay, let's move on with this. Um, so anybody want to entertain a motion for this one or another? So there is no motion die for lack of motion. Okay, next thing on the agenda, $1,400 um $75, pardon me, $1,475 is to is to get that uh grant in

right this year. That's that's what we're turning down today. Would it um change your guys' mind if KJ chipped in and we worked out a deal? I don't think that's something we can just jump on tonight with to create a deal, you know. Well, I'm saying my word is my word. There is there there's a deadline for this grant, correct? Yes. What is it? That's why I've been here two weeks. And like we said, you know, this isn't just $1,400. This is $56,000. This is $56,000 the city of Canton is taking on as 59,000 total and then the share

breakouts is 56,000. It's not just 14. It's it's that's what would be a check written today. But that doesn't mean that that's a financing. Yeah. Right. That's not that's where you pay at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think I think what we're asking for is for the airport board to really think about they're asking the city of Canton and its citizens to keep funneling money into the airport, but this airport board is not willing to increase their rates. They are they just put it on their agenda and they they

they're take taking action. No, no, they're taking action. They just answered what you asked them to do. We've talked about this for 10 years for them to increase the rates and it was always we can't because we have contracts. We can't because we have contracts and now that we're not funneling the money now it's oh we'll look into it. You know, I feel like we haven't really gotten to the basic of like and can't just I feel like you're holding a good thing hostage into it. A different reason.

And again, we said you guys there is an avenue to go down thousands and thousands gallons. It's not like you guys are bringing in trucks every week to fill this tank because this tank is too small. You're you're bringing in four times a year. You guys are aboard and they're aboard. you guys have the right to visit with them. I have no idea what boards are. I've never seen a schedule. It's never been posted on the city website. I think all you have to do is ask. Um and and you won't then you won't hold up a good thing. I mean, what if Kale Jake fits half the bill for 1475? So, you're asking you're going to put in 800 bucks, but that's still the city of Canton taking on $59,000.

No, it's not. It's a grant that you're signing and it's grant federal dollars that come through and pay for you get a the check goes right to your bank account from the state funnels from the FA to the state to you as a city. Erin, could you clarify the amount of captain's share for the two years? Because isn't it 1475 the first year and then 169 the second year. Correct. Where does the 57? We had a sheet on the six on the sixth meeting that said 79,000. I thought it was 80,000 for real estate change.

When we get done, it's supposed to be 281,000. So this is step one of step two and step three and step four. Okay. Eric, correct? You know, Aaron, sorry. You don't even know my name. Could you clarify because the FAA funding for that second year where most of the expenses are at 90% from the FAA and 5% from the state which isn't bad. This already died for lack of second. Now we need to move on to the next one. You got to move on. Yeah. Sorry. Cuz this one died for lack of a motion.

Okay. Even if you get the project for free essentially, what if KJ just Let's move on. What if you take a take my word for it that we'll pay the city share because I feel that strongly about this project. 89,000 I don't know where you're getting 89,000 from. There's there's 1475 for year one and then any other year later to pay for the construction of improvement of project improvement of the site that's 16,900 year two or three

you guys have sold it that you need it. I just don't think you sold it that you need it. H I I don't think I'm alone in thinking that. Okay, so the next one is um KLJ submitted a design task agreement. The total is 59 grand and will receive federal funding grant from the FAA and state contribution that will make the city portion $1,475. The agreement for professional services and scope of services are attached. This is still part of the same thing. Yeah, part of the same thing, but there's different things. There's three different things. You got to read it.

So, lack of motion. Lack of motion. Okay. The next one is um airport consultant selection. And that's a request for proposal for airport cons consultant selection was published in the newspaper on April 2nd with a due date of April 17th. The airport board has reviewed them at their regular meeting on April 18th and Davidson from the airport board is present to provide recommendation. He had to get going to his church meeting. But uh

he did uh yeah, I don't know what the for sure answer is, but um you actually don't need an airport consultant for this year if you're not going to take an FA grant. So what about if you're not doing what about the master planning? Well, we're already under contract. Okay. So, you don't have to renew an engineer at this time and you can bypass and just wait a year if you're going to start a project next year. And I So, they did they did review two two uh proposals, but go ahead.

And Aaron and I talked about this a little bit. We weren't going to do a project. I would still since we went through all the effort of making everybody um both KJ and the other firm uh submit proposals that we would select one for future because we have we have to do this every five years. Did you ever hear who the airport board recommended? No, I didn't. But I would assume it's KJ. Yeah, that would be him to come and hear you. want me to talk to him? I'd like to he just had to run to his church meeting. So, he just This is Dave.

Yeah, Dave. Um, they went to the next agenda item. Did you guys um when you reviewed KJ proposal versus Helms and Associates proposal, did you have a recommendation from the board? Oh, yes. Do you need me to come back right away?

I think I think they can hear you. I actually am talking to you here at the meeting still. So because Kyle I I recommended well I didn't recommend but I mean I mentioned that it's not Kale J and Helms didn't officially have to put a proposal in if you're not doing a fiscal year 26 project but Kyle thinks because the RFP went out and the process started that it we should just the city should finalize the process and and select okay would you like me to run back or It's over the phone. Okay. Over the phone. The commissioners are nodding as Okay.

Okay. Uh and I'm sorry I left uh but I had another meeting that I I'm supposed to be at in town here. Uh and that's why I needed to rush away. Uh but uh anyway, the the uh airport board did discuss on Saturday the uh choosing of the engineering firm going forward and we felt that uh both KJ and Helms were excellent companies fully qualified to handle our airport engineering needs. Uh however, we made the decision to continue with KJ because uh we've been with KJ for 22 years and felt that the history and understanding of our airport uh was an added plus in choosing uh between both capable companies. So KJ uh was the choice of the board.

Okay. Thank you, Dave. Thank you, David. Oh, you bet. Take care. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Do you want to make a motion and make a motion? Yeah. A motion toot accept the recommendation from the motion. Okay. Have a motion. Do a second. I'll second. Okay. Call roll. Commissioner Carlson. I Garbers. Hi Peterson. Hi York. Hi May Lstrom.

Hi. Okay, let's move on. Um the Catholic Church bingo. Um Amy Amy Buttonboy has submitted a raffle request for St. Dominic's Catholic Church. The church will be hosting bingo or trivia monthly for ongoing perpetuity as a fundraiser for building needs. Hey Amy's not here. Where is he? Okay. And the prices will vary, but on the average bingo cards will be $2 and trivia will be determined based on participation. And what can you tell us other than that? It's just right there. I mean, that is about it. It's just basically rather than doing it every month or whatever, doing it monthly, just forever. Yeah,

forever. We do figure we'll have to do it once a year. Yeah, we'll Yeah, but yeah, we definitely felt comfortable with somebody who who kind of knew what their schedule was going to be and their intents and everything that we could we could go for a calendar year at a time. Okay. And just OB, this is right along with the raffles and the state law. Any bingo games, raffles that take place in city limits are have to come in front by city ordinance, but by state law. So, do you want to make a motion to make a motion to do it for a year? Okay, we have a second. I'll second. You want to call roll? Commissioners Gerber. I Peterson. Hi. York. Hi. Garlson.

Hi. Mayor Lstrom. Hi. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Next in the agenda is a proposal for Kennedy Mansion. I brought my team. Lisa Hanker, Captain Chamber, in front of you. You have received a proposal. Anybody have an opportunity to look it over this proper or

Well, both. That second part was just added today. Paul, you want to tell us and everybody that's listening what your proposal was? You want to do that, Barb?

Sure. and Barb Bless. Barb Bom. Um the proposal basically is um we have a preservation preservations and he wants to buy the Kennedy mansion and he wants the city to use it. Um in concept the chamber is a reasonable alternative to that since you guys as a city have enough going on. Um, but he has a few things that are important to him. If he were to do this, um, he doesn't want un unexpected liability. Any tenant would have to carry a robust liability insurance and accept that with his LLC and him personally insured with it. Um, and then if the chamber were to lease the mansion, he's only asking them to pay a $100 lease fee per year. Um, and then the issue came up when we met with the chamber about the utilities of the mansion and just the affordability of it. And um Bob is he is willing to pay the utilities for one year till they can raise enough funds to continue on with the next year. The only way for him to do that is that he can have a tax deduction with that. And um the only way to get the tax deduction is to work with the lease with the city and then sub lease to the chamber board. Um the only other thing the last thing that he would

like is the lawn care and the snow removal. Um, and then he would like to use it once or twice a year, maybe even less for personal use.

For personal use. Um, I look at this opportunity as uh um just an awesome thing from him and that the city can benefit from and not only for the chamber in some of these events in the mansion. Um they the chamber has already proven that they're creating revenue in the city and this is another opportunity to have some events at the mansion to create even more revenue. So I guess I don't know. I'm just excited about this. I hope you guys would be excited about it. It's just a minimal thing from the city that he's asking and um all the repairs. I don't know if I'm going ahead of you,

but all the repairs would be made by him. Um and he'd just like the chamber to report some of the things that let's say a broken window or the furnace isn't the boiler isn't running or the AC isn't running, that kind of thing. and report to him and it's just like a regular lease that you would have, you know, just like a rental house, you know, you just report to the landlord. Um, that cover everything. Yep. Okay. To complete the thought process. So, so then Lisa, you would move your office into the mansion, correct? So, you could be present there,

correct? And by being there, you would also make it open to the public if correct. While anytime that your office is open, the building is open for public viewing. Yes. Could I came down and seen you two on Friday? Yes. Could you explain what you all what you rattle off that you like to do

so everybody else can hear that? Some of the events that um we were looking at being able to do at the mansion to start off with would be small events um bridal showers, baby showers, graduations, family reunion, class reunions, um murder mystery dinners, um music on the front porch. Um there was also discussion about due the fact that we are so limited in our town for um rooms and that that to coordinate with both the Canton Barn and Gate City for additional rental spaces for their bridal properties. Um those are just some of the ideas we've come up with.

So you'd coordinate with them to not be in competition with them? we would help coordinate rental space um because like the barn has nothing for them to use for sleeping for a family or anybody coming in and we have seven Airbnbs in the community already that do very well and are constantly booked from my conversations with those owners. So there's a lot of ideas there that we can work on different things and and do my only concern with us being on the lease is ADA compliance

that was discussed and and Sarah hopefully you can back me up on this if I word it incorrectly but because we are not per say like a city hall where the public has to come to you, then you do have to be ADA approved or accessible where us not being something that somebody has to come to, we would not and there is accessibility for ramps in different areas that we were discussing already. That's your understanding, Sarah? Yeah. So the understanding that makes sense. I understand the distinction.

Yeah. for for ADA compliance, even if it's owned by a public corporation like your municipal corporation or um a subsidiary of it, if you are requiring the public to come there for a reason. So, if city hall were to set up there, 100% it would need to be ADA compliant because you're requiring people to come into city hall to pay the water bill, uh to pay the water bill, to make complaints, whatever. Um, if it's something that a public corporation owns, but you're not requiring anybody to be there, I mean, people would be coming on their own accord. Correct.

Then they would to be ADA compliant. You could set up ramps. You know, there's um the accessible ramps that you can put put up and take down. That could work for a couple of the entrances in there for the main floor. So, yeah. Um I'm just I just still look at the cost. It's still not free to the city. No.

And so for us to say, you know, we're wanting to save money here and we're save money here. It's just um and I understand we can try to make it work with renting out space and things like that, but there is a cost to the city, not just the $100. You know, we have the that $100 is being paid for by the chamber.

So, they have the electrical and the gas and the water and then the the employees that will have to provide to come and clean and mow and scoop snow and dust and, you know, those types of things. You know, there's there's still that cost to the city, too. So, those are also things that we really should take into consideration. full of the events. Um, you know, there can be donations made by the public that come to the events that and I guess to me, you know, looking at I'm part of the car show committee and look how much money they bring to this town. And I want to see you guys embrace this because it's such a gift. And you know, when you look at all those things as far as fees, fees, fees, how many fees have we asked for for the car show? They've raised all the money for it. They've shown that they can support something like this. And I guess I just I I I just want to see you guys embrace it. And this town needs something like this. Not only to preserve a beautiful iconic building in this town and it be part of the city. It's a city asset.

I know you said you're done with Chase the Ace after the next goound, but uh this might be a good Yeah, I've already been told I can't quit no matter what. So,

I did have I did meet with Barb and Lisa on Friday, and I do think we need to find out for sure what our insurance company's going to say for sure. for sure instead of hoping. But with that, I did because we can't and I explained it to YouTube and I'm going to explain it to the people that weren't there and that I did say go out there and find what it's roughly going to cost for lawn care and snow removal. So this sheet is here and the ones that didn't get it, the snow and lease estimation for the year is 3420. And the reason I did that because I wasn't sure if we could put our city employees on a private property to do that. So that's why I said to go out and get this.

Correct. Now, if we find out differently, we won't have to go with this. But it is there. I mean, if we end up being a part of the lease, then I think that removes some anxiety. That's why I wouldn't ask to get this. So, we I mean I know it's an estimate, but it's and I predicted 20 m or you know mowing every week May through September and then kind of estimated how many snowfalls to predict for that estimate. I mean, and I did say to you too, it's the city constantly gets everybody wants money.

Everybody wants money. So gracious Bob would if he ends up buying it from you that for the first year he would take care of the utilities. And I guess hopefully this thing takes off like you believe YouTube's heart believes it's going to I guess I'd like for you to see if you can try it for I mean we only have to speak for the first year right or what is it Barb?

There's no set lease. Um, we talked about um maybe doing a five-year lease just so they had that five years if they get it all set up and that way they don't have to worry about, you know, the next year removing everything. I guess that's where the there's no set lease yet. They just um we just need you to support um this project and then be details later. So what do you want from us from tonight?

Just to approve a lease for a sub lease for the chambers. So but um they can write off the utilities um the first year and have that insurance that's needs to be done for the events. If you're willing to do accept those, then the negotiations can take the next step on the purchase of the home. Until we know the what the commission's willing to do for us, we that can't move forward. So,

is there anybody else here who maybe has an opinion or wants to talk about it? Yes, I do. Stay quiet. Chad, you can come up. But I want to ask something real quick. When they ask of utilities, are they asking for electric, gas, and water, or just what we're control of is water? All of all of the utilities. Okay, that's all I had.

Good evening, mayor and commission. This one obviously caught my attention um when I saw the agenda on Friday. Um, being a 33-year neighbor to the mansion, it has a special uh a special extra uh part in my heart. Um, but I did I had a ton of questions because I read what was on the agenda and I but it still left a lot of questions unanswered. A lot of those questions were answered for me for for me tonight at least. Um, but I think a lot of questions remain to be answered. But what I'm going to say is this. As a Canton night or since I was seven years old, when I think one of the things I think of when I think of Canton, I think of the Kennedy mansion. What a prime jewel if we can somehow with the city and the chamber incorporate that beautiful, beautiful 100 plus year old building and make something um shine for the city of Canton. And I'm going to end with this. I was extremely discouraged by this was nothing more than a presentation and to educate the commission. But we had one commissioner who immediately was negative. Immediately asking questions, immediately saying no. Come on, let's learn about this before we just say no. You know, Cam's got a reputation for saying no all the time. I so badly wanted to get up during the airport discussions, but I kept my mouth shut. We need to we being this commission and the and the people who work for the city

of Canton and the citizens of this town, we need to get a a more positive reputation with this town. This is a great way to do it. Let's showcase one of the prime showcases that we have in this town and that's the Kennedy mansion. Thank you. Thanks, Chad.

I mean, the thing like we could make a motion. I mean, but we don't have a response. We just really don't have we really don't have enough information. I mean, we need an attorney to review these. I thought this was an opportunity for public.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see you in That's fine. No, that's fine. Tanya Iverson, live next door. Also, um I do think this is a prime thing that the city really should do. Um it's minimal and just the things that the city would have to do is minimal for and even like you were talking with JCA, if they need it, start raising more funds to help support it. That's probably something. I mean, how much do you take in normally for, you know, the Chase the Ace that if all a sudden their part comes up where they're paying utilities and stuff, I'm guaranteed that they would be able to come up with the ways to afford that part of it. And um like they were saying, there's so many things that could be done there. I mean, I don't know if there could be big weddings or not, but like you said, baby showers and all this stuff. There's a lot of details that could be worked up later, but like you were saying, this part needs to be done first. some type of commitment from the city so that they can at least go forward and start negotiating. And this man, if it's person that they were talking about, Bob, we're fortunate he's even wanted to do anything here.

He's built a house here in town. He's bought some other little properties in town. He's wanted to buy some other downtown businesses in town if he could. And I know he's a historic person. He wanted to buy the old library, which I wish he would have gotten so it would look decent. um how many people have came into town and want to say we'll give you fair city we'll give you millions of dollars and who's to even say later down the road maybe he'll gift it to the city and the city and the chamber and the people in town treat them right maybe he'll even give it to the city someday you know but like I said I think it I you do get a little disappointed in that type of stuff I understand the city has obligations for everything and the city's always being asked money but have we had other people that have came in town and said here we'll give you a million dollars, do something with it or whatever the price is on the building. I don't know what it is, but not many people have. So, I mean, that's something that needs to be thought about. So, but thank you.

Thank you, Da. Okay. I'll put a manage just as concerned citizen. Why are we having a wedding and stuff there? No. I just want to say very, very, very well, check into your insurance before you say yes to it. because that's the problem why the past couple owners haven't had good luck with it is holding certain events and getting liability insurance to hold the mansion and do stuff in it. I would really like you to before you can make your commitment

and try yeah tie your hands whatever check all the boxes please because I don't want to come back and say oh I guess we got to pay more oh we got to cover this check insurance please

you go ahead and then I'll answer the insurance situation I currently live at the community mansion I'm so lucky um I just wanted to to talk about some of the events that we've held there and I think it's not just about making money, but it's about using the house for the community. We've had the Sons of Norway Christmas party every year. We've had bridal showers, had youth groups come in and and we do this murder mystery thing and it's awesome. They love it and they run through the house screaming. It's not just about making money. I mean, these opportunities are great for making money, but it's about sharing it with everybody. you know, we're kind of the caretakers that and and Dave also, you know, we talked about being the caretakers of the of the um of the house, not owning it. It really belongs to Canton, but for example, we charge $500 to use the bridal suite. Um we have a special room set up for brides to get ready. They can take pictures outside on the grounds. We have um arches and things that we that we use to facilitate that. We charge $250 for a shower or bridal shower. Kind of depends who it is. It's like if you're from Canton, it's a minimal fee, but if you're coming from outside, we charge a little bit more. Um there there just endless opportunities. And I mean, you can put picnic tables on the grounds and expand it as a park. Jack Fox Park is often busy and so it can be a backup facility for city events. I mean, there's just the possibilities are really endless. The high school is right next door. Um, you got football games and you've got elderly people walking to those football games. They could park at the Kennedy Mansion and there's a back road kind of that goes to the football field. You could have something after school mentoring for for high school people. Um, we all know that teenagers on the loose can be trouble. So why not

provide place there you can go hang out even if it's on the picnic tables outside but you know really it's it's it's it can be whatever you want to make it you know so it's it is a wonderful opportunity and um my understanding on the insurance we did get a quote on doing event insurance and it was very it was very low. Um, we did not I did not follow through on doing the wedding business because I had some health issues and so I needed to retire and so I was not able to pursue that any further. It was not to do with insurance or uh lack of interest because there was certainly I still get contacted by people but um I'm not able to do that. Any questions?

Thank you. Thanks. My immediate concern would be to go into and and disrupt Canton Barn and Gate City for their private business. I don't want to be taken from them as a city entity. So, I hope that we don't pursue, hey, the city of Canton now has a means of hosting events. I hope that's not in our I don't think we would really be in that ballpark, right? I mean, can I answer that? We when we um you have to stand up here. Sorry. It's not just us, it's other folks that want

Yeah, I'm sorry. We have a conditional use permit to have weddings, but the maximum people is 60. So, it's never really in competition with the barn because they would never you couldn't have a if you had a wedding for 60 people in Canton Burn, it looked like nobody showed up. So we um got I visited with Kelly Blackstone when we first started that and we didn't feel like we were in competition but complimented each other

because especially with like overflow we had people that wanted to stay there like um the bridal party wants to stay together so they can all party but the parents don't necessarily want to be a part of that so it gave them another place to stay that was close by you know right down the road so sorry

and weddings for us was 5 10 years down the road if the community needed it. It wasn't wedding park wasn't something that we were looking at to do immediately. We wanted to keep it to the smaller parties. In regards to the insurance, the chamber carries an a policy that is one and that covers every event I hold. And if we were to break it out, we wouldn't get as good as coverage as I have. I'm covered up to $250,000 per event.

Just one more thing from the insurance. Um, so if an event happens and we burn the mansion down,

that that's what I was going to talk about. Um, that was one of the requirements for the insurance is she she can have event insurance, but there needs to be lease insurance from the city to cover and that would be, you know, if if they did burn the house down and it was an event that, you know, they were doing, then that would be something be considered. Um, I'm not trying to break the deal. I agree with the insurance end of it and that was the one one of the requirements that he had made. Um I don't know what that cost is. Um but um nothing is set right now. It's just to consider you know you're going to be open to having a lease. Um you're not signing a lease. We're not, you know, this meeting just is like she said, um, just to approve working on a lease for the city to subleasase to the chamber in order to make those utilities work as a write off. Um, what is it? 503

501 50 501c3. He needs that to be able to write off. We are not a 501c3. Not a change. No, his LLC would be Yeah, I don't know the details on that. See, I don't think that we can make a motion to approve that. We can we can say I we agree that we can explore this some more and that we're not saying no, but I don't know that we can make a motion to say create a lease and have mayor sign because there's just a world of

well yeah and and all those details have to be done. But the point is he needs a commitment from you guys in order to purchase the mansion to lease it to you to sell those commitment that we're going to lease it. Yeah. And that we're going to there still be plenty of opportunity to turn around and say no. I mean you still not you still if you still don't have a motion to so if you made a motion I'm just talking out loud. Made a motion but an actual motion to

I remember Dylan talking to Sam which is now the city's attorney is I in his words not maybe not exact words but I don't like when people make a deal and then come to me and say hey we made a deal why don't you read this so because of that I'm open for moving forward but I do want the insurance figured out and talked about and come back with an answer and I want our city attorney to look into it. Okay. Kyle had made some preliminary calls on insurance.

I know he hasn't heard back and I want hear back and I want our city attorney to caught up and say move forward or check into this and I do know that the chamber is willing to pay for the additional insurance. That was something that we were looking at doing on top of what we have for a policy already. So, so if that's a form of a motion, I would make that a motion. Motion to continue to explore explore look into insurance and have our city attorney. We happen to have somebody that works there, so she can tell Sam.

I have a second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Is there any other questions? At this time, we'll pursue this. I'm sure there'll be more questions to be asked in the future. You want to call the roll? Uh, Commissioners Peterson. York. Hi, Carlson. I garbers. Hi, Mayor. Lstrom. Hi.

So, let's move on to the last two items. We have um scoreboard to be surplus. Um it's recommended to declare supplement surplus on the two dcttronic models scoreboards that are their valuations have been received from three different shareholders for the city of Canton and they will hear praised at $16.67 67 cents motion is based on is based on the average in order their disposal and yeah so you motion somebody second it second okay the second call roll commissioners garbers Peterson hi

York Carlson and the same um issue with the west ball motion let me read it will you 40 balls Yep. It's a little bit more expensive. This one is appraised at $43.33 and that was based on average and um that's from West Ball Diamonds. So now we have a motion in a second. Okay. I didn't hear him either. Garbers and Peterson. All right. I haven't got the idea yet. Hold on here a minute. We calling the roll. Yes. Oh, I didn't hear you say that. Commissioners York. Hi, Carlson. Hi, Garbers. Hi,

Peterson. Hi, Mayor Lstrom. Hi. Okay, that concludes the agenda. Can we go back to one item or since I heard no, we can't talk about it one more time. Something new on something that's already died for

it's a motion. It's to revisit the uh the motion from earlier. I know I heard no from from earlier, but um I just wanted you guys to, you know, know that like Dave said, we've been your consultant for over 20 years. And um we're going to lose out on the uh the deadline of getting the grant in if we push this off till next month to come back. I I know you don't want a free money, but it is essentially a grant that you don't have to pay back and it's at 97.5%. Kalej are your consultant. I'm ask I'm telling you that we'll cover the 1475 you if you would want to revote and the city has to pay zero at the end of design phase. So, I'm donating consulting fees. Don't let any other city know about this. Okay.

Can I Can I go back and I don't I don't consulting fees, but I'm just asking that you don't miss out because Hold on. Because I like your airport and I want to become a pilot here someday. I don't want you guys to lose out on deals. Agree. And and the city government should should listen to, you know, my concern is that this was brought to me I have had zero time to look at this and it's an extremely important conversation. I came to the board I came to the board last meeting to to talk and I came I came last fall.

You want my vote? I would hold on a second. Let me visit with you. If you want my support in this, I'm going to support you if you let me. I came with the pre-application last fall. So, I feel like I was already um presenting this project last fall. So that's where I'm coming at. I'm just I'm sorry. Go ahead. So the current rate is 11 cents a square foot for for hangers and then the target rate is 35 cents a square foot. This is uh I'm the agenda item is for an FA I understand that it's just project design. That's for free because I'm going to donate my consulting fees. We already

it died for lack of motion. But I just want you to know this this being brought forward to me land a minute before the meeting is is no way to I was never informed of

of any of this besides the last meeting. I don't get I don't get shown these numbers till I show up. So how am I supposed to make an actual vote and and a educated vote for that matter when it's given to me at 659? I can't do that. So, I'm forced to table it. And then here's my my second question to you is when did you know that this this uh grant was going to be due? And when were you given the information? Because if you gave us this at the last meeting of April 6th and told us it has to be in by the end of April, I want more time than that as well. I I need more than 25 days to decide on $60,000.

200 something,000. Okay. I I I need those four months that you might have had.

Yeah. Well, your city um uh I I guess your city has an airport CIP that that is discussed annually. And so it's only I've I've been with you I guess I've been working with you guys um for a number of years and it's always been shown on that CIP. So, it's always been a project in uh coming down the line for a line item five years and then this year the pre-application was due in fall. The FA needs that by then. I came to the commission meeting then said you don't owe any money but it's this is the pre-application. next spring. Now, we're going to I'm going to come back and uh I'm going to have a little bit more pre-esign done. I'm going to have I have some uh some time to to get my estimates in place to set up this project. And then I said last fall that I was going to be coming to present this project. So,

so we need better communication from the airport board to us, which we've asked for. Am I wrong? I'm I'm representing the airport bark because I meet with them as as their guest and consultant. So, I thought I was communicating properly about this project. Can I just ask a question? I guess I'm just up here.

I just been confused listening to it. I mean, so is what he's saying um the grant money will pay for all of it. I guess you guys are saying it's not and he's saying it is. I guess I'm just confused on that part. Anytime you take FAA grant funds, you are guaranteeing the airport to be open for 20 years. So if at some point the airport were to close, not saying it ever happened, have to be paid back. Okay. Then the FA would say, where I was I'm like, where are you guys saying this? Yeah. Stuff. So it's not technically free. We're still on the right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's just what I want.

And we work with every airport that has the same grant asurances that you guys are offer. Yeah, everybody signs their grant assurances. I've never heard of anybody that doesn't want their airport to be safe and have their grant assurances keep them operating. So, you're just basically kind of giving a wink that you're trying to not keep the airport going for the next number of years.

I don't think we're saying we don't want the airport to go for the next 20 years. I'd love to see the airport bigger and better and keep going, but just because it's a line item, I've I have been part of a board that so disability rights South Dakota, we are the legal um free legal services for all peoples with disabilities in the state of South Dakota. We have a laundry list of things we'd like to do. Um, but we run on federal money and as we know, federal money is always in flux. Um, sometimes there's money, sometimes there's not, right? Sometimes you have to act when it's there.

So, so let me talk. Okay. Okay. Um, because we have a lot a list of things that we'd like to do.

Okay. We knocked off one, two, and three. Now we're down to four. But maybe four. We look at four and we're like, that is something we'd like to do. doesn't seem like really is the necessary thing that we're looking at right now. Maybe number six and seven are what we'd like to bump up and do instead. And I'm saying this because and and it's it's not that I don't appreciate the board, airport board, not that I don't appreciate the airport. Has nothing to do with any of that. It's just hearing how much gas they're bringing in, the size of tank you have, how much you're selling, what's sitting around, how it's functioning. I'm just not hearing, wowza, this is going to make a billion dollar difference. Like to me, I did I wasn't sold. It would make it'd be great. It'd be helpful. That's what I heard. And I think that's Yeah. I apologize for holding the meeting up, but I was just trying to bring um a sweetened deal because

u airport or engineering consultant fees aren't always free, but I'm actually saying I've already put in so much time and I would actually just it up for you one more time. That leads us to another step that costs more money that leads us to another step that costs more. It's like the city. It's like some other people saying the city won't Yeah, I'm not coming to you asking for money. I I just said that. But you will be when this next step goes through.

And then but I want to work with you guys to if you guys say you only need a $5,000 $5,000 tank. I mean, if you can find one out there, I will I will have a meeting with you and say, "Yeah, let's get that one. I want the lowest project design." So, I will have any number of design meetings with you guys. you guys can find me a deal on uh construction equipment. Off the top of your head, what do you think the cost savings are in having the size of the tank? If you dropped it from 12,000 to 5,000 gall, is there a lot wrapped up in the cost of the tank or is it sorry the 10,000 to 5,000?

Well, we're talking about um old electrical equipment. You have to come from the vault with a new electrical line. So, it is some of the cost in construction is the site improvements, but we could try to scale back everywhere we could. And I'm I'm working for you. I I would meet with you and we could scale back the construction costs at any point. That's what the design phase is for, is to give you guys plans to move forward. then that's all I'm doing as a consultant giving you plans to find the best uh project. So, I'm not saying the project costs 280,000, but that's that's my that's my first take on what you guys what could benefit you at your airport. But we could scale that back in any way. So, we we could scale that down to to $20,000 instead of $200,000. you know, it's just a design meeting. This is the scope that we want. I've already I've already talked to the FA and they agree to the larger scope and funding it. Funding their share, which is

90 and then 5% from the state. So, your guys' share is 5% of the project. So, I feel like I'm maybe getting somewhere with you, Sarah, but I mean, like I'm I've never been against any of it. I just um I just have to keep in mind that we've asked the airport board to look at their rent and they are they just did two days ago. I was on the commission eight years ago and we asked them to do it then and they didn't. Okay. I mean, I've literally 10 years. 10 years we've been asking them to and they was always a hard no. We have contracts. Hard no.

And now it's the airport is is floundering a little bit. They're going to increase their they want 45%. They're going to increase it over three years. This is what the city wants. That's that was city hall spinning in numbers. Yeah. This is not what the airport board has approved. This not what they've approved. No. Okay. But but that doesn't that's an unrelated topic. You understand? Right. Yes. It seems like when I get presented something like this, it seems like they're squandering going, "Yeah, we can raise all this. We can raise all these fees to to pay for things." And I'm going, you do it in a systematic way. You look at what the surrounding area is charging and you try to be competitive. You try to be competitive in the landscape that you operate in.

Huh? You don't want my donation. Do you want Does anybody want to entertain a motion for this? Remember, you're you're this airport is under lock for 20 more years every time you do it. But you people are make running on the premise that this airport is going to close in 20 years or less. I'm not running. I'm not running that. Well, it sounds like it. No. No. All I'm asking is you're showing me that you're using 2,000 gallons of fuel and you're asking for a 10,000galon um and it's never been proposed to the fire department and their feelings on 10,000 gallons of air.

Well, it doesn't have to be a 10,000gallon tank. It can, like I said, we can work in the scoping meeting. I can as your consultant, I can create the project to be however big we want it to be. But this is just this design phase.

I'm I'm asking for a for a free project to get the design phase done and then next year you can go with whatever size project you want after we bid it. So it just it's a free consulting fee deal. But I mean, I could try to come back next month if you want if you want more time, you know, to consider my proposal, which I talked about last meeting. I was just given new information this week, which is what I didn't know didn't come from you. It came from the city and I had no idea. Yeah, it didn't come from I've been telling everybody

that's my numbers in front. I've been telling everybody that the that the lease rates are being worked on because it went through their board action and you can look at their minutes. They're they're a board that has minutes. They did say they were going to do a lease plan lease study. Do we have access to them? I don't think they're on the website. Yeah. No, I don't go ahead and ask for it then for any of that stuff. All you have to do is reach out. They're they do have an agenda and they have minutes. I need the report. So, sounds like we need to have a meeting with the report board before we do anything. Fact, fact. Fast because But you might lose out on your your When is your What is your deadline?

May one. May one. I mean, we could special meeting. You could have a special meeting if we if we we lay down some real solid information. like to talk to the airport manager. Yeah, the normal deadline is May one. I mean, I could try to get an extension. So, I can I can get an extension because the airport manager did not come to this meeting. Yeah. Didn't think he needed to. Must not have felt it last meeting. I'm not sure. Told Paul he was going to be here. Yeah. I I'm I'm here representing to be. He didn't tell me. He's a nice guy. He He's busy though. We are with him. I know. And that's why

hold this up at all. I'm just trying to get We'll set up a meeting. I get Thank you. Quickly. Okay. Um dialogue. Huh? Yeah. Is there a dialogue, Chris?

Yeah. My my dialogue is going to be this, right? I'm just going to give you guys my business card. I get a hold. My dialogue is going to be based off of this poor airport situation that's been brought in front of me. The current rate is astounding 11 thou 11 cents a square foot. So, an airplane hanger, just for the folks that are listening, is 11 cents a square foot. And we are looking to raise it all at once or over the next three years up to that. And again, that was me playing with numbers to how to get to

I'm I when you present this to me, I'm looking at it and I'm going, these guys are paying 11 cents a square foot and a a cumulative number of 7,200 bucks a year. Blows my mind that you have an airplane and keep it you're paying 300 bucks a year rent and you have an airplane. Keep in mind that is just for land. They own the hangers. They built the hangers. They own the hangers. This is just for the dirt underneath it. Thank you. Flot rent. Yes. Flot. And they do pay property taxes then which is over here.

Yep. I just these numbers have got to be brought in front of us when we're making decisions on line items so we can bring this up to a market value because Yeah. Why wouldn't they have a airplane? Maybe I do I have to store an airplane in there? No. 11 cents a square foot. Tom Rutton has got to be more than that.

And what what I found out too, I mean, and it's your dialogue, but some airports go that okay, you want a hanger, you build a hanger and it's yours for 30 years. In 30 years that hanger becomes ours and you start paying rent on your hanger. That way it gives you 30 years to write that building off. But after that it came it becomes the cities or whoever you're talking about if it was T if it was in T it would become the city's hanger and then you would start paying lease on the hanger after 30 years. Right now, our leases are set up to the opposite where the lease ends. If we didn't renew, we could tell somebody to take their building and be

okay. It makes more sense to switch to a system like what Paul's talking about, though. Also, I want to mention with the warming up temperatures, uh, the electric scooters, electric bikes are out. H um I don't believe we've went any further with our legislation in that whole regard of wearing helmets and such. I think we were working on it. Nothing's been brought to us. Correct. Okay. It is a problem. I watched a Easter Sunday. I watched three kids fly through the stop sign down right by my house.

So, I'm gonna say this. It's it's 65 70 degrees outside. Parents, please tell your kids and teenagers, please drive as if I don't see how you can drive 20 miles an hour in this town anyways. But the kids that do and zip through town, someone is going to get picked up by Chad and it's not going to be good. So, I don't want to hear that someone got smucked. Remind PD about this too. Their bike rode is about two May 13th. Yeah, their bike rodeo bike coming up and they just did something at the school last week because my son brought home some little flyer thing about that at the school. So

yeah, that's where the school is working on. Current dialogue. Can a kid get a ticket? If we made that they have to stop for stop signs and they didn't, could they get picked up and give a ticket? Ideally, I think so. I think ideally they can because they're on a motor vehicle. They're on the roadways. They're on the street. Buying it as a motorized vehicle. They have to follow um road signs just like bicycles are supposed to. Yes. But only if we we died right there. We didn't get anything done with it in 2025. So if we made it that they would have to Yep. start of the stop signs.

Make it everybody because literally yesterday I saw an adult riding a scooter and blew through a stop sign. Same same. Probably the same adult. Um they do the same thing in the in the golf carts. Golf carts aren't supposed to be on city streets. So yeah, I see. I I think I think that's all I have. But I'm just going to emphasize, please be aware of, you know, like the motorcycle signs, be aware of electric scooters. They're fast. They are. There's tons of them in my neighborhood. So Sarah, you got anything?

Uh, yes. So, um, citywide clean or citywide, uh, their cleanup at Shitaka Park is on Saturday. That's the Big Sue River. That's the Vix River cleanup with um the fishing event that's also going on. Pool pass registration opened today. So you can find that on the app or on the website to um sign up for pool passes again this year. Um and if anybody's looking for anything to do the state special Olympics um area for running field events, whatever, you know, running and things of that sort, they're looking for help. So, you can call Special Olympic South Dakota if you have some time this Saturday to assist with