County Council - Regular Meeting

[Music] I'll just Where are you sitting at? I think my sitting here. No, that's your own. Okay. Excuse us while moving stairs. Okay. All set. Mr. Bricker, if you'd be so kind. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [Music] I just got it today. I'll let you know. Okay. [Music] Uh roll [Music] call. Michelle Harris here. Redstone here. Andy Vonzner here. Sims [Music] pres to approve the uh minutes for October 22nd budget hearing part one second. Have a motion to second. Everyone uh all in favor say I. I oppos same sign. First reading now. The following appropriations have been brought to you for your consideration for adjustments to the 2025 budget in the general fund. Salaries $13,37 bridge furniture fix pictures

over 100 bucks $1,500. Planning commission consultant $35,000. Storm Water Fund furniture fixtures over $100,500. Prosecutor pre-trial furniture fixtures over 100 $10,000 JDBC codes reduction of $5,000 in salary 2024 GO bond contractual additional 5,740,000 consultant 560,000 medical response core fund [Music] interfer6,365.37 health performance fund interfer 5,18853 [Music] Okay, thank you to the agenda. Make a motion. Do we move up to the real quick and not so much? We have a motion in the second. All in favor say I. I. Your honor, would you be so kind to step up? Certainly will. We make a motion to approve the 139. I have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. All oppose. Same sign. Enjoy your day. Thank you. Enjoy your evening. I hope it all goes [Music] into a little bit here. misters. Yeah, I know that [Music]

because we have uh additional 560 to 31200 consultants appropriations facilities do repair to JDC and the building courthouse and So where we at this work at the [Music] JC? So, if you take a look at what we have here, um for the JDC, there's about $3.5 million in uh work that is going to be needing to be done there. We've got that already completed that was already considered as part of the bond project being presented for that. So with with respect to that project um we've got some existing conditions that need to be corrected um with respect to the sher growth the flat roof portion um of the entryway need to get replaced drainage system um masonry columns are to be replaced systems are going to be addressed and repaired as necessary windows will be repaired the exterior brick and eus the exterior uh hollow metal doors will be addressed. Some of those are um broken and not functioning properly. Uh the which are the aluminum site. So the exterior masonry work. Um we've got a request for proposals um that was put together for the joint ceiling and for

some uh top plane work to be done. um some electrical outlets. Uh we are going to be taking a look at the uh boilers there. Um if those are going to be needing to be replaced, we're looking at probably excess of $150,000 for that. We are putting together a request for proposals for the heat pumps which was the uh largest capital item um considered as part of the budgetary process for the bond. Um we're looking at probably about $920 to $950,000 for that project in and of itself. That would include the building automation um as well um as well as a um water heat exchange uh system as well um and an energy recovery system as well. So we are taking a look at um a lot of the building systems as well as the interior um of the building which is uh worn and old. If you've ever been in a building, um, you would truly appreciate and understand that. Um, as I said, the total cost of the projects we've budgeted for was 3.5 million. Um, we do think we'll realize some savings uh, with respect to uh, many other projects. If you you all look you all uh might understand you see the for county government's assessment submitted by the board commissioners as well as the county auditor's office on page seven [Music] under there's an additional breakdown of u of uh the buildings the envelope the building system where' you say that was under facilities there is a detail a breakdown of the work that's needed to

be done. [Music] Now, my question for the I think I asked this before, but I don't remember the answer. When we do all this work, are we in good shape or we now like we were not going to do anything for 10, 15 years or still a lot? We we'll be in really good shape. Um there are some mission critical items that need to be addressed that we've already gotten um we're looking at design uh options for those um staff. Uh our staff is very happy about you know getting the work done there. They're elated um to see a lot of work, you know, started the design start to flow. So, we're very happy about that and it's probably out of the list of of buildings that we have uh that Joe provided um the work that needs to be done. This is probably in the worst shape, which is understandable that never gets a day off. Um you know, it we really haven't done much to that to this structure since it opened up in 94 95. So I mean we're going 30 years uh you know with major components of of the uh of the building uh not having been given a lot of attention over those last 30 years and you know because we have children in this building. It's the center we did this uh addressing and uh properly um the better off we're all going to be. So that was the the priority the highway the jail the JBC no surprise where you getting the numbers from tell the costs. Um so the cost some of those are based on some estimates primary estimates that

we've gotten from different vendors. Um, we did reach out to one vendor as far as the heat pump replacement and we're looking at probably budget wise probably about 950,000 just for that. So, and that's with the building automation. Um, with that we're replacing out of the 44 heat pumps, we're replacing approximately 40. So, the majority of those and we have one on on site. um those heat pumps have been causing a lot of damage to the uh ceiling tiles in that area. A lot of the repairs that uh for that specific project will be done um and won't really impact a lot of the staff or the the residents there because a lot of that's going to be done overhead. So you just piece milling this together or is that just looking at it different? Well, yeah. A lot of the work is is basically a lot of maintenance um a lot of maintenance work. It's not uh there's not a lot of construction per se um within the scope of any of these projects. So uh you know like I said it's mostly a lot of maintenance and stuff that needs to be replaced you know for life. So we're we're replacing the the existing heat pumps for instance with newer and more modern heat pumps but that will function with our existing systems. One of the things you said Joe is that uh it may be a little bit different from bedrooms. Well we're not when it comes to bidding we're trying to keep the process open and fair. We're not trying to get you know stuff that's it's we know it's in excess of $150,000. We're just going to get some consulting quotes. So, we're not paying a consultant to give us an opinion of cost. So, we're just reaching out to a vendor and asking them, well, give us an opinion on what this would cost to replace heat pumps. Um, and we

would need to reach out to um engineer to kind of put the components together for the midsp specs that would be part of the soft cost for a project. Well, that's what I mean talking about. I mean, you guys doing that inside. And I think you guys know where I'm going. I don't know. We approved this bond and had these conversations. It was started with the highway garage and then went to the jail and then it was the JDC priority and then about this room. But to me, these are large capital projects we should be tackling. And we we've had a partner in Gilman the whole time. These are estimates. You're saying you're calling a vendor and trying to get a call. I mean, who are you calling this business? I mean, yeah, we we would reach out to the same vendors that Skim would reach out to if they were looking to scope something out at this this size. Why are we why are we not deviating from, you know, Ski was not presenting originally on the JDC? Now, whether or not we can piece this together, I mean, to me, your facilities, I I don't see you guys overseeing large capital projects. Um that's my opinion that we should be making sure we're tackling this right budget getting in there and look at the scope this community was a priority and third line let's make sure we're not missing anything and I'm not undervaluing you know underestimate your value but we have a lot of buildings you know why do we throw Skillman aside let them finish they were presenting and I thought they were part of the the whole bond um they have the lenders to call. They have people, you know, and meet them in there. Let them start, you know, writing this off the scope, you know, and then start putting out whatever they do, let percentage, you know, when they start getting into it with their their engineers. Uh I don't know why we're we're changing

our process all of a sudden on this. This was supposed to be capital. Um, we're, you know, I don't want to skipping over things, missing things, coming back and saying, "I need $2 million in a year or two." You know, this was the cover of the big JDC was next. Get it. It's an old building like you said, Commissioner B. Let's get in there. Make sure that we're pulling it back and doing all the work now, not coming back. And if to me, if it takes most of this money, then it does. I move on from there. Well, if if I if I may, if you're dentistry, if I may, I'd like to answer that question. Um, I had Joe approach me and and said, "Hey, look, I believe we can do this internally and save approximately $300,000 by doing it internally." Now, I know that when the commissioners originally back in 20 2021 when we put together the facilities department when it was reveral uh was with the idea that we could eventually do projects like this internally and save a lot of money. I don't think this large this year, but I know we're going. Yeah. But I I I think that's where Jeremy, we may have a difference of opinion. And I don't consider this a large project. It's a much of it is as uh Joe has touched on is replacing elements or parts of the building that are already there. We're not designing a new wing of it. We're not putting a new roof on it. We're not, you know, uh doubling it size square footage in any way. I I don't think that this is a large project. I mean, three $3,500,000 is a lot of money, but um we don't know. Maybe that's 5 million. So, I mean, having the professionals go in there and making sure we're not missing anything. I I the maintenance. Yeah, I I I agree. We shouldn't be missing

anything, but I I have confidence in our staff that they aren't missing anything. And put yourself in in our position. If we have our facilities director coming to us, say, "We can handle this internally and save us 300,000." As a commissioner, do I say, "No, I don't believe you. I don't have enough uh you know I don't have enough trust in you to allow you to well okay if you you believe you can take it on take it on it's going to save you $300,000 what if it cost us a million in the end because they missed the opportunity well if we had a process we had a team that I thought was part of this whole thing going to the bond that's all I'm saying there was never any discussion nor do you see anything in any uh any meeting minutes of any meeting that we had discussing that bond whether it was on the board commissioner or on the console where it says skill was part of this. They were they representing the flood area. Yeah. I'm just let I'm going to say something for the record. I'm a little concerned that we're up here pedling a certain vendor for this for this work. It's been a it's been a partner since all of our facilities and I don't have a complaint I don't have a complaint with them. But when when my our facilities director Jeremy who who you help Tiger are saying we can handle this internally now why would he why would he come to me and put that obligation or that burden on him if he felt he couldn't do it we had a lot of bills I to me this was part of the best partner all of our facilities I I get all these all the bonds I can't how much have we done commissioner over the last whatever five six years. We We've had a professional alongside. Why Why now in the last $6 million are we going to deviate from that? Let's finish the work we started here. They were part of the bond process. I'm not comfortable now

thinking that we won't save $300,000. The other thing I'd like to interrupt for you is that um when you last report, they that's unfortunate. They had done they had gone to more than one vendor and they had gone with the best possible vendor. They showed the savings of money. That's why I asked you, sir, Mr. Wood, how are you going to save us money in that regard? Uh he say that it's a $330,000 savings approximately or take you and that is given by hospital. That's a what? He said we save $300,000. How would we save that? Well, you have to pay skilled and funded for the service where you're not where you're not paying that less than 550,000 for consultants order. That's for consulting soft cost which would be that was in the original proposal back in August that would be for designing engineering anything that needs to be done with. Can I ask a question? Was this uh was you guys originally came up with this skill didn't present with you guys wasn't skil involved in skill for you there was presenting on the jail specifically they weren't presenting necessarily on but didn't they go through they didn't go through the facility and get a list of needs and stuff like they they went through with our staff at JDC right correct yes okay so was involved I just wanted to make sure to me and I'm saying that it's more of they were involved and have already looked it over as far as I was aware. Yeah. Just stuff. Yeah. I I just if it is a savings, I love that. Obviously though, if there's a risk, Yeah. there could be more. Well, you know, we have held several meetings with staff at JDC. We've had meetings with our staff and their staff to address their priorities, their concerns, their

major life safety issues, their mission critical issues. We have addressed all of that within the scope of the work that we're looking at doing. And and I think Jerry, you brought up, you know, having a professional staff take a look at this. I believe we do. I have that kind of confidence in our staff. Um, you know, that that qualifies them to take on a project of this size and scope. I certainly I certainly wouldn't be I certainly wouldn't be uh supporting it if I didn't think you know why would I send set our entire entire facilities department up to fail and this quite honestly and and I with all due respect this is a commissioner's decision I don't I don't entirely believe so and I'll make a motion to deny that um this addition until um Scaling comes up with further scope on this [Music] project. Scope of this project cuz there won't be a contract. I have a motion. I have a motion. Can I get a second? Motion motion that we deny the additionals until Skilman comes back with, you know, they were part of the initial scope that they've been a partner in all the bonds that we've done that they continue to finish this work on this bond. This This is the the next priority on the list that we bonded for and we need to make sure we're covering it all. Not not looking for a cost savings. That's a risk that could end up costing us more down the road. That's the way people are until there's the work on on Are you so we were just talking about JDC, but they're asking to move 5.9. So there's other that's that's not emotional. That's what I was asking. Yes. So this is only about JDC. Well, we

have a lot of left, but I mean there may not be anything left. JD may cost $6 million. It may it may cost less than what we have down here even. It ladies and gentlemen, look, Skilman is attached to the jail and they were attached to the memorial oper. Those were very large complex projects. The reason they're not attached to this is because at least two out of the three commissioners believe along with the facilities director's recommendation that we can handle this internally. Now again, this building is really important to us. It you know in in the number of buildings that we have, it ranks right up there at the top. We can't afford to keep bad madness around. We have children. We We need to get to business there. I don't know why I haven't been done already. I have a quick question. So, when you said that you were going to be going to v Sorry. When you said that you were going to vendors and vendors Skilman previously. So, those are vendors that have been working on other buildings of ours that they have been in the past. Yes. Okay. So you we have a relationship with them outside. Yes. Okay. And then you have bids on those for each of these quotes. Okay. Proposals. Yes. So then when they come back, do you go for a second if you don't like the numbers or how I mean how does that typically if we're getting quotes? We'll we'll request votes from at least three vendors or at least 100 from three vendors. If that exceeds the 150,000 on the threshold, SBA requires that they go out for good. Okay. And then so I just want to clarify that making sure that these vendors are not going to say, "Well, Skillman's not doing this. They're not part of this or we're not going to do it." Correct.

Okay? Cuz you got to remember people in construction. I'm in construction for 30 years. I'm personal friend of Scott Cherry. Say it right here. Admit it. Personal friend of Scott. Love Scott. at our Dueling School, did the jail. But I will tell you, he's not guaranteed every job we do. If this is a job, we can save $300,000, then we have to do what's best for us, they're big boys, just like I'm a big boy. When I go to something and I lose a project looking at this one, you know, the reason why he's on the jail or he was at the garage because those were ground up or the jail is a very complex project. But I I'm going to tell you, you know, boiler replacement, uh, generators, fans, this is a lot of plug-andplay type stuff, guys. I mean, if you want to pay me 150,000, I'll do it right now. Quit my job and and I'll do it. I mean, seriously, it's, you know, construction managers have their place in our industry, no doubt, for municipalities, for schools, but if we have a competent Joe, I think you're very competent seeing what you what you what you posted. Um, I am 100% fine with you, you being the facilities manager doing this. And at the end of the day, Commissioner Big said it, he's he's responsible for it. So if you guys fail, it's on you guys, right? And so we not we're the one that bonded. We we approve this and I didn't know what we're approving it was. Yeah. We'll wait out the last 6 million, you know, we may just do it in house. But isn't that good for us to save money? I mean, we we don't know if it was Stillman. Like I said, I'm personal friend with the guy, but like I I would tell him straight to his face. He was here, Scott, you know what? If I can say $300,000, sorry, buddy, you're not getting a job. He's a big boy. He understands. That's that's how business is to pay to to spend three an additional $300,000 is absolutely we're not additional. He's come up with a projection that he can save $300,000. unaware. No, but that's what I'm saying is his

his his fees to run this project would be would they be $300,000? They'd be $300,000 to be a construction manager 300 150. I don't care if they're 200,000. That's a lot of money for this project. I mean, we don't need construction managers if we have, you know, a a very good facilities manager to do these projects. If we if we don't, then quite frankly, we have the wrong facilities manager cuz these are the types of projects you should be able to do. council. Look, I I probably known Scott Cherry longer than anybody on Monday. I like Scott Cherry. I think we went to high school together this age. There's I and I like the job that Skilman has done with it. This is not about skill. This is about using our facilities department on a project where it can save the taxpayer some money. That's what this is about. There's money. We're you're you're estimating like I know we don't I mean you got 560,000 for consultants. You've got this list. You called a few people. We don't you're you're estimating that you can we have a track record of partner that has been what are we at commission on our facilities over the last 5 6 7 years that we've spent and they've been a partner on all of it. I Jeremy to be fair. To be to be fair to you, you are 100% right. But to be fair, and I'm going to say something that's probably going to get me in trouble. It is what it is. They offer very little value construction managers. At the end of the day, if you have a good general contractor, you hire a general contractor, you don't need a construction manager. That's what Indiana does. Okay? Really, they don't they're still going to ask for $500,000 for engineers. England doesn't engineer anything. They don't know. They get the bids, they prepare, and they send them out, and that's it. They overlook. they put a guy in a trailer and and you know if you have a good general contractor or a good facilities manager um I I'm very comfortable with with with doing this project without skill. Um I I I think I'm stunned by the reaction. I'm just uh

I thought that you know kudos to to the facilities department and board of commissioners for recognizing it. We're going to save the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. And I don't and I I would hope that by by now that you have a little bit more Jeremy, a little bit more confidence in the board of commissioners and the facilities department that we're not going to get ourselves pigeon holed into something that ends up blowing up in our I can say then I can say we have a partner that that has a track record that if we if we were to use then to finish what we started we could save $500,000 because we're going to get something. So we can say $500,000. We finished this the way we started. And to be fair, Skilman, listen, I did $180 million project at Dylan, okay? Skilman was our construction manager. When you start getting when you when you got into Liberty, okay, which is a 8-year-old building, 70-y old building, the stuff that they came up with, it was 30, 40, 50% over budget. So when you go into these buildings, now this being a relatively new building, 94.95, you shouldn't have those problems. But did they keep the as drawings? you know, you open up a roof, you can you can you can get into anything. So, and that's come back [Music] though, right? Is is your concern, Jeremy, that councilman Rivas, that the the detention center might not get the 3.5 like some of it might be. No, I think we're my concern is we're we're not we're going to miss something. We're we're going to try to teach people the same and we're not going to let a bigger professional that has more assets, more connections. How many facilities you got to run? How many people have you got to manage on a daily basis, Joe? You know, taking on a a $6 million construction project. No, I never thought that was what we built the apartment for, too. But we did. It was maintenance. It was because people were were screwing us for changing filters. And you remember all of it. This wasn't about construction. Um, this is about maintenance. Talk about the conversations that commissioners had. it's that we're going to miss something and come back and it's

going to cost us additional money because we when we had it open, you know, or but when we miss something, it's still going to be a cost to us whether it's not they were already on site and they are they found it and when they had something, you know, opening it, it's that's Jeremy, I think the the point is is are you are you suggesting that Skillman never even Skillman never misses anything? No. I I have a question. Just to repair the blowing back and unless I'm mistaken, work started on that already. The work on that is completed. Yes. Okay. And you had a button for that? [Music] No. They haven't done anything. Uh is there a way to do that now? No. How do you go about u getting work done without the funding? The commissioners approved it. And it was one of the mission critical components that needed to get done because it posed the danger to the employees and or the public there. Well, not necessarily the public, but definitely the staff. Well, we had a motion. Well, I got to step another question. Commissioner, you said that two of the three commissioners proposed this. Why wasn't it 3 and 0? If this was so good, you'd have to ask Commissioner Rick. Was there any conversation in that when when did it was she opposed? I mean, she's not here unfortunately, but do you remember any like when she just said no, she there was no discussion of why she agreed? She actually didn't she actually didn't bring that the attention that she brought it to Joe's attention that she you you can tell by what she was saying to him. She didn't approve it. She she wasn't supportive of I I'll second Jeremy's just to get a vote. Yeah, we have a motion and a second to deny. I still don't understand what

we're talking about discussion. The 5.6 is for JDC. It's the annex. It's these other couple things. But what is the 560 for consult? That's what it's for cost engineering architectural design stuff like that. So facilities. I'm sorry. Do we know who's doing that? It would be either probably a DLC or construction. Okay. Are they doing stuff for JDC? They're they're currently doing other work for the county. No, but is that 560 they're paying for work at JDC? Not not all JDC. That's all all. So there going to be oversight. There's going to be some oversight from whoever as well. Double checking to make sure that again I can't for stuff like that. Yeah. And I I want to point something out though just for you to consider. You know, as you know, you're I'm in the business as well. I work for architectural engineering. I might be surprised if you know that that I would safely say the majority across municipal projects that go on are not you know or or or a noticeable percentile they're managed within internally. They're not somebody like Sil is not always brought in and and again I have absolutely no problem with Sil. They wouldn't be on the sites they're on now if I didn't or the commissioners did, but we don't. I love the work that they do, but this was a way to save some money and give our facilities department an added, you know, we get an added value to them. Why not? Especially considering what we're all looking at here and we've all been talking about the last year. Things are getting tighter. So well and I've got your first scope gentle whenever it was a month or so ago and this is some of my concern too. I believe this was supposed to be capital projects. I mean you're talking about landscaping front plaza landscaping using bond money for right. So part of

that landscaping is erosion control for the JDC. So the rear rear portion of that building there's a lot of erosion in the back. So we going to hire administrative building. I'm sorry. It says administrative building. And we have similar issues here with down spouts that drain into a street that drain back into the building. To me, that seems more like maintenance, not something we would spend. Yeah. Well, $6.5 million is mostly a lot of maintenance. Absolutely. This deferred maintenance that hasn't been done. That's my concern. We're not We should be going after large capital stuff, whether it's roof, the big stuff over there. Going after big stuff. And I I believe we're addressing all of that. Landscaping doesn't seem like a good $6.5 million. Landscaping doesn't seem like good capital. This is Are you saying the landscaping should be done internally? Is that Yeah, I think a lot of this stuff maintenance. This was to me so we don't come back and get you saying $100 million cuz we miss something big because yeah, we got to replace this. This was to protect us from big bills coming back down the road. We're getting mission critical going in our priorities that we talked about. But I think, you know, and jokingly speak I didn't intend anyone, but I think one of the reasons why those sorts of items were included, but quite honestly, we're working on a budget that's in that's that's really put us in a failing state to keep up with everything that needs to be done with every single property that we have. So when we do get the opportunity to address some of it, stuff like storm water drainage and uh or or drainage on on our property that maybe undermine the foundation or Why are we in a failing state? What are you talking about? Because we're not we're not we're not we're not giving the the an adequate amount of money to address what our facil facilities need each and every year. We're just not. So stuff like that and why again maybe he should be working on that kind of stuff and we we left the professionals out there that are

finishing that have been part of the bond. I mean if you have CCD what do you have in CCD and uh you know two two we started the year with an extra $2.5 million why why is the facilities tackling this stuff? Why are we at my failing state when we've got $2.5 million in CCD fun? Well, I think that that unallocated the lion share that that money that was allocated the beginning here has been been spent in other places that's unallocated or unallocated that's unallocated right now in CCD started I I haven't seen the budget but we're we're only we're only in we're only in June that was carryover well I you know I I I don't manage my finances that way where I I take everything right up to the line. Even even though you know I got a good part of the year left here that we're in a failing state. We are in a failing state. We are we are in a failing state when it comes to our buildings. Yes. If we if we if we don't reinvest, we certainly are. And that's why quite honestly we've ended up having to bond because we haven't stuck enough money in over the years to prevent sort of these things to to get into a failed state. So I sorry I have a quick question. So, I just want to make sure because obviously um I am new to the council, but it seems like over the last however many years we have continued to bandaid things that truly needed more than banding and now we are in a state where it can no longer be bandaided, right? It means like a a reconstruction surgery. So, if we continue to bandaid everything, we're going to be in this position 5 years from now, next year, year after, year after, year after, right? So, we want to make sure that everything I think that's what you're saying, right? You want everything done correctly the first time

so we're not back in this position. Exactly. Part of part of that is is making sure that we are doing the investment so that way we're protecting our budget so that way we're not going after the CCD money. We're getting the critical issues and you are saying that this can be done in house and you're saying you have confidence in them and you feel like there should be some supervising. So, I guess that in some sort of um compromise of negotiation, we would we can maybe let them try their project and if it implodes or explodes, then we can say going forward, we're using Skillman. We trusted you. You said you could do it. It didn't work out the right way. And so, going forward, we're going to use Skilman. We appreciate that you tried, but it didn't work out. So, we tried, you failed, and that's fine. Moving forward, we're going to use Skillman. But it's not fine because then you're down the money if it didn't work out. That's the downside of that. I understand that. But they commissioners also understand it. Look, it's it's it's up to you. Do do what you would like to do. But no, I can tell you right now, hey, nobody going to force me to sign a contract with Skillman when I know we don't need to sign one. Now, we're we're either tied with money or we're not. We either we either believe in our facilities department that they can have this or we don't. It is as simple as that. But I cannot and nor would you if you were sitting my chair. I am not going to have the county council board of county dictate to me what contracts I sign. I'm just not going to allow that. Neither would you concern. Is that what you're doing with us? No. Absolutely not. We don't sign the contract what we need to do. No, I No, you were getting when we went through this with bond with going through bond council that what what these monies were going to be spent on. You're telling me you're going to hire somebody to oversee that project. I'm telling you, you're not going to do that. I I don't care, you know, all I

just keep this in mind. That's a juvenile services center. If we keep kicking this can down the road, you would you greatly enhance the opportunity of one of these [Music] kids a long time ago. Okay. [Music] You have a known factor an unknown factor in Joy. Your employee your employer and you sir as a little bit more done at this point in time. My only concern is what was done in the past. What were they done? I had asked Joe for an electrical outlet if you had time to put in the [Music] uh extension office. It took 3 weeks. I even called you sir and said uh I asked Joe to replace all this other stuff going around. That's just one of the concerns. I'm not saying he can't do it, but I'm saying not to be over his head. If he feels he can do it any show he's done some things you know it I believe the uh health department did you not saw that we did who did yeah who did the work on it was construction they were the general contractor general contractor so there are some concerns understand that that's part of where we're at the concerns that if it does not come to fruition with you doing that it will cost us more money. Okay, you're concerned with that. This is something bigger than you've ever tried before. So, you must understand that not not a stab at you. So, I said this is something bigger and you

know save us $300,000 plus. And yes, we are money. We have to know what was going to go down with SP1. That's a another story. I just want to touch on that real quick. But that is the concern more than anything else. One concern is money. The other concern is getting it done right. Okay. So we come down to this vote. Then we have the vote. Then we have a second roll. Please wait. Could you please refresh right just to make sure we're voting on the whole the whole 560 and the $5,940,000? Mer. Are they supposed to be taking this one at a time if I'm not mistaken? Yeah. They have to be taken one at a time. Well, then you need to review a motion in regards to 560. We're going to vote on make a motion for both. I make a motion to deny the $560,000 to consultants. Um, and then after that vote, I'll make another motion to deny that. Okay. So, adjusting the motion. So, can I get a second? Second. I have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? I'm sorry. Okay. If you have a question, please ask. Is this a yes? I mean, I don't think Yes. No. But we wait. Okay. Motion to deny. Motion to deny. Yes. You're agreeing to deny,000 only. Correct. Okay. Correct. My first I'm going to deny approve the denial, Mike. You're voting for the denial, Jeremy. He's got his own vote. Okay, I'm voting for that. I vote I'm not denying it. Okay, whatever that is. Yes. That would

be no against that would be you would be voting no. You're voting to give him the money. Is that correct, sir? I am. Am I correct in understanding that? voting against the motion. He's voting against the motion, right? So, that would be a no. Okay. [Music] And you say you're on this, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. Uh, yes. You're supposed to deny it. No. I introduce myself. You're not voting to deny it. Do you want to know? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. No. No. Michelle, no. Boza, no. Jeremy Rea, yes. Greg Sim, yes. 52. [Music] Motion to deny the 5.9 million. Well, we need to finish this one because we still have a motion. I got a motion on the floor to deny the 5.9 million for contraction services. Second, moderator. Well, you have I got a motion on the floor to deny the 5.9. Anyone else speak? Hold on. Hold on. I'll just move on. Okay. So, what do we need? Are you saying we have to address the 560 with an approval? Okay. No, not necessarily at all. I mean, I put a motion on the floor to finish what my original motion [Music] was. So, I made a motion. I I I think that in my legal opinion, it's appropriate for the council to vote on Jeremy's second motion. And then if

someone wants to make an additional motion after that on approving the additionals, one or both, that can be done. That's that's on the 560. Well, the 560 voting 560. Yes. What I'm saying is is I I think that legally they I'm comfortable with the council voting on Jeremy's second motion to deny the 5.9. Okay. 5.9 further, you know, understand what the true stuff is. But are you are you resending your motion? Okay. Just make sure you're okay. Okay. So, we have a motion to deny the 5.9 million. And we have a second. So, you vote. Yes, you are denying the motion. Everybody understand that one? If you're voting yes, you agree with the denial. Okay. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Yes. Okay. Roll call please. After all that yes. Redstone. No. Michelle. No. Andy. No. Jerry Rivas. Yes. [Music] Excuse me. What? You come, Mike. I don't care what you think. You count. Go ahead and vote. No. I'll make a motion to approve the I second the motion. 560,000 consultants. I

second. We have a motion. Second uh 560 consultants. Roll. Any discussion? Roll, please. Fred Stone. Yes. Michelle Harris. Yes. Andy. Yes. Jeremy Rita. No. Greg Stone. No. Mike. Yes. Andy D. M. Yeah. Andy D. Yes. Can I make a motion to approve the 5.9 to contractual service? Second. I have a motion to second. Any further discussion? [Music] Roll call, please. Michelle Harris, yes. Andy Bonner, yes. Jerry Ra, no. Greston, no. Mike Brookner, yes. Andy Basque, no. Stone, yes. [Music] So, congratulations, sir. Joe, can you give us the whole council every time that you sign a contract out of the 560 and 5.9? Can you can you send a list of, you know, that contract you sign it with? Yes. Well, I I wouldn't sign a contract. I would be commissioners. I understand that. Yes. Your request should go to the commissioners. Your request for that information should go through the commission. I'll send the request come to us. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, councel. [Music] Okay, moving right along. We're still

director. Come on now. [Music] Yeah. We have a motion to transfer $10,000 from 4500 data processing equipment to 11300 overtime transfer needed for required training for sheriff P1 software sir. Any else? So this is the replacement. this new software for the sheriff's department and the B changes it required a lot of training and I think it takes time. So just to cover all the open is this ongoing or is it already finished? It is finished. It is one sheriff name for this. Would it be 911? Oh sh No, it's a different system. It could be either way. I don't think he's why why are you here for it? [Music] I get your question and I agree with your question. Either way, it's kind of [Music] money. Yes or no? Well, depends on if the 911's coming out of the search charge or not because that's not counting. That's a search charge. Are you suggesting that maybe this could come out of there? I'm saying those are off. That's what I'm saying. Are you saying to look at that? Is that is that fun? I know we've been operating on that fund a lot more. You sort of have to talk to Andrew about it, too. 911. Can we take $10,000 from me and give it to this transfer, too?

Really? That wasn't given. I think he should have said yes. No, this didn't. Okay. But to be clear that you've been working on the system for 911 in the sheriff's department. Correct. I'll make a motion to approve it. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Is there not another fun? Probably 911. Yeah. I mean the couple. Well, the sheriff has multiple fun, but this is up to you guys. I mean you if you could pre table it until you well we got a motion out with you guys. I mean it's it's fine. I'm just I feel like if we take it out of the sheriff's department I feel like come to us with something else. Okay we we have a motion and a second. Any further [Music] discussion hearing? None. All in favor say I. I. All oppose sign. No one. No. Motion carries. Thank [Music] you. Storm water and chairs. [Music] Fixtures over $100. I made a motion to approve the $1,500 additional boarding chairs. I can't I'm sorry, Andy. I couldn't hear. I made a motion to approve additional appropriation for new chairs for staff conference moral chair. There's no leads or you know remote buttons on [Music] the curiosity which was the old chairs.

Uh I think one came from the old courthouse used to be a jury chair secretary. I have pictures. [Music] Yes. I think that's randomly sat here or something. George Washington. George Washington. Okay. So we have to approve $1,500. I hear further [Music] discussion. Roll call. Andy. Yes. Stone. Yes. Michelle Harris. Yes. And yes, Jeremy Ra. Yes. Yes. [Music] We have an additional 35,000 to the 31200 consultant appropriation need to cover professional services for the remainder of the year. Is that money for the data center? No, not exactly. find out exactly sir. So this year we have a lot of initiatives we're doing. One is the update of the UDO has had I believe 39 amendments since its adoption in 2007. I think a couple of them made it in there as an amendment. So what the public and developers and everybody has to do they go to our website they see it's in it current form since 2007. Then they got to go to another page that's got a bunch of amendments. It makes the thing very confusing for even the more experienced people to go through. So the person I hired is a contract employee of his name. He used to be the planner in the city of for many years. He's retired. And so I brought him in as a contract employee to number one do that. Number two, we're preparing new amendments for the UV the new rage out there called Minions as well as personal solar. personal

stroller will be rolled out to the planning commission for their first premiums this next meeting this week and then we'll take the planning commission next month to get a resolution and send commissioners to add it to it. Second, in addition to anything to do with the data center, we are also looking at quite large subsidies that exceed 500 lots. And so having this person on board is uh is is helpful to get through that cuz we're dealing with these dayto-day things with people who subdivisions and other things like that. And yes, the data center does take a lot of time to review those documents. As we all know, it's a process. We have to look at the amendment that the petitioner has offered to us. we make comments to it. Right now, we're dealing with a 66 page document that they're proposing as an ordinance, an example. So, this staff member, I assigned to him. He leads the charge. He creates the sheet. We make our comments. So, to answer your question, pretty much what I just said is what this particular lobby is doing for us. We also have another person, Rich Hudson. A lot of you know, he's been here many years, so he's also a contract employee. He's a registered planner. We use him a lot of time to do due diligence on visual descriptions and the like. So in a nutshell very briefly that's what we have these two contract in place. I don't foresee taking careers this year because we're making this big cut this year and I do want to give you all straight. I think I think everybody deserves to have that. Just to make this uh particularly clear to everyone in the audience who are in the uh council if the this amount of 35,000 is approved in no way is this council approving or disapproving the data center. Correct. Correct. Okay. That's just for our due diligence. This is our due diligence part of the process.

Correct. This is not the move for but it's to set [Music] up ultimately it's the commissioners. I just wanted to make sure that we weren't voting to move [Music] together and I would also like to add all my requisitions or appropriations I'm requesting tonight are coming not one of the ones coming from. Thank you. [Music] Okay. I get a motion to approve the initial 35,000. I'll make a motion. Second. We have a motion in a second. Any discernment? Roll call, please. Michelle Harris. Yes. Andy, yes. Jeremy, yes. Greg, yes. Mike, yes. Andy, yes. Redstone. Yes. 7. 70 carries. Thank you. Transfer 15,000 from 11200 hourly to 31200 consultants trans professional services for the remainder of the year. Are we paying these consultants as an ad needed basis or are they getting flat fee each 25,000? What's every 2 weeks they turn in a itemized invoice shows every hour of work every day. They get paid by the hour. So they changed by the hour. Why are we taking an hourly consultants? There's certain limitations. I don't know the they're probably on a W. They maybe are they on maybe? Yeah. Well, for paying hourly well hourly I think comes with other things. They've only worked so many hours a year and stuff like that. It was far easier to do comparing. I'm not asking to change it.

No motion to approve. I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose same sign. Motion carries. Transfer $1,500 from 11,200 to 44 44 furniture exteriors over $100. More chairs. We are taking the chairs the total money sent a memo today. I'm sorry, but $1,500 from bridge, $1,500 from plan commission and 1,500 from storm water. 4500 was 12 years. Okay. Wait, what? They don't have water coming. No, they don't. That's extra. That's extra. Thank you for being diligent in that spending extra. How much that chair? We got to do the math on that. That's crazy. About 350 about 325 350 the chair. And they have a little hydraulic uh unfortunately those guys are and they got last 20 years apparently. So 375 thanks to it. 375 a tear. That's a lot of money. Can you give the I'll second my motion. We have a motion and a second to approve 1500. All in favor discussion. I'm sorry. Yeah. The only thing I'd like to say is that and I've talked to you about this is um as a council with the hourly I know it's your own fund. I get it. But there's certain things that I guess I can't wrap my head around yet in government why we spend things out of hourly. Like I understand consultants because you know they're going out. They're go it's it's a payment going out but when we're talking about permanent

raises or when we're talking about you know um furniture or you know stuff like that. I just I don't understand how hourly becomes part of the equation. I guess you know I think they p their so they can do this. No but I mean think think about this. Um, at the last meeting we approved the rates. Okay. Out of hourly. Fine. I listen. I want people to make money. I get that. But are we going to at budget time replenish his hourly? Yes, probably. I mean, I'm going to vote no. I'm going to think about it. I already wrote it down. And I guess what I'm saying is so can he his department give a raise to one his employee got his apartment permanent rights going forward. It's going to keep going forward. I just it some some of this stuff just kind of I just have another pocket. It it just it just bothers me sometimes how we look at housing and buy furniture, get permanent raises and do things and if that's you know statute I must say we probably can't do that. It just I think as a council it it just it it bother bothers me that we do that. I certainly can take a look at that. The legal um ramifications of that I think it is permissible, but if you want to check that out, you could I and like I said, I'm sure if you have money to put it, like I said, out of any other account, there's probably lots of money somewhere to take it out of, but it's just one of the things where I look at hourly. Hourly should be used for, you know, uh consultants, uh part-time employees to save us money on the benefits. And it just I think everybody looks at well it's my pot of money I get to do you know spend it how we want and I don't I just that kind of kind of can we pull up the plan commission budget see what we we budgeted for hourly see what they I mean just

yeah the only person we spent is paying D minutes but see I'm just saying going forward when we budget money and I think the council has to be we have to look into how How much are we giving each department hourly? Because like I was saying before the meeting, listen, if we're going to name just if we're just going to rename a slush fund, I'd have no problem with that. If I said, "Okay, we're going to take out a slush fund money, fine. You want you want you know, you want to uh buy chairs?" I have no problem with that. But when we when we look at hourly, it just to me that it it I always thought the intent was to hire part-time, use consultants, use it for stuff like that, and not just permanently. And I might respond to a couple of number one I'm not enhancing anyone's salary I know that Mike this is going back so I understand second you know it was this time last year when I put the budget together when I was here a year in 3 4 months so I kind of went a process that was done before second I think the hour is important in our case we just made a management decision to hire contractors instead of hiring a person which I agree because of the task we had at hand It was just a command decision in January and made after the budget was approved months before. So it was dealt with a hand I think managerally we made the best decision possible to do the way we did it. No and I and I agree with your statement that you said right now just I think come budget time I just want to get in that mindset if we're going to keep raising hourly that it's not going for So did you see that? I'm sorry I didn't want you back out of the three funds they pulled up. [Music] You got very good eyesight close budgeted 330,000.

It's like I don't know how much you spend out of there. There's storm water 10,000 spent 120 storm usually storm water and bridge we hire um interns college interns summer internation generally not we use that for special cases and stuff 180 yeah [Music] 1180 careful right you got to find out money hey I listen I'm just saying on budget. We need to really start looking at hourly. We need to start looking at a lot of different things and there's just things I've been up here for 2 years that get get well we norally in the past previous auditor they had pulled up the allow system that showed you when we were going through the budget what was left in that line item. Um so maybe when we're going through the budget we want to ask them to do it might be a lot of work. I don't know if they can still do it as long as they used to but it would show like if he's moved behind the budget 100,000 for next year and he still has 60,000 left in the account 70,000. Now we question it, right? Why do you need this? Right. Right. And I don't know how easy that is for you guys. Ontario cuz I think it happened before the L system came in. It was always up front. We'll make it happen. Thank you. Okay. I think we had a motion. Now we're going to second 1500. The last one transfer. Okay. Transfer. So any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose the same sign. Motion carries. Make a motion to approve the last 1500 additional chair and staff. I have motion to approve the additional 1500 for the other chairs. Second have a motion to second. Any discussions hearing? None. Roll call,

please. Uh, yes. Jeremy, no. No. Mike, yes. Andy, yes. Redstone, yes. Harris, yes. Greg, it depends on what kind of quality you're getting. I mean, some of those chairs at 200 bucks, they break off in a year. Hey, I don't know if anybody chair then. I used to buy my chairs at Costco for my for my office for 200 225 230. Can you guys have expensive? Okay, council mention down here. Yeah, was online. [Music] Hi. Hello. Hi. I'm just living the dream. What about you? We have request for additional 10,000. So that's scary. Oh, that's our death. Yeah, that's good news. Okay, you got news for us. A reduction. You are my new best friend. Reduction of 130 only 37 to 11 salary for salary detention manager. Can I get a motion? I'll make a motion. Can I just I just wanted to give you a heads up some

things overview just so you know where I'm coming from because this is just one step in um another step that's going to come next month you guys in regards to just the reconfiguring of my staff. So this is step number one in regards to our detention manager. So there is going to be the reduction in salary under the general fund um by the 13,000 and then also saving money out of our post fee. Um, and then next month I'm going to be coming back in front of you in regards to um making some changes in regards to um some some management positions which will increase a little bit but decrease in other places but the total savings to the general fund will be about $10,000 still. So I'll thank you. Can I get I get a I'll make a second. We I got a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Roll call, please. Jeremy Rio, yes. Greg Smith, yes. Mike Fner, yes. Andy Bachelor, yes. Redstone, yes. Michelle Harris, yes. [Music] Motion carries. Motion uh let's say form 14467,537 to 54500 for retention manager reduction of salary for retention manager this part of that process we're talking about I'll make a motion second and a second any dispatch hearing none please Yes. Candy. Yes. Redstone. Yes. Michelle. Yes. Candy. Yes. Terry Rivas. Yes. Yes.

We have another deduction for $5,000 1100 salary, 1100 salary for salary for retention manager. Part of the process. Once again motion to approve. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? carrying on roll call. Mike, yes. Andy Maz, yes. Stone, yes. Michelle Harris, yes. Andy, yes. Jeremy, yes. Yes. We have also an additional 5,000 to zero for detention managers. I have a motion. Second. A motion in two seconds. Any discussion? Roll call, please. Stone. Yes. Michelle Har. Yes. Andy, yes. Jerry, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And before you leave, I don't have yet to hear anybody about the plans. So, let me know what you We put up the chicken wire today. Okay. In the garden. And so, we can put that up. So, we are about ready to rock and roll at the garden. Will you send me the list of what you need and I will will you really good. So I'm going to write that down right now. Okay. Cuz I will forget. So will I. [Music] Thank you. Thank you. Arts and recreation program superintendent boy. I make a motion to approve the 10,000 second. We have a second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. All oppose say I hear motion car. Wait, is there a ribbon coming cutting ceremony coming up you want to tell us?

Yes. So I can uh give a little information on the dedication. [Music] So we are doing the uh river cutting for the new amphitheater on June 28th. So we had new um have a food truck out there. We're going to get some entertainment out there. Uh we're going to get some seating out there. This message I said with the work. Are you working with Sam with her food truck? The one that's what is that blue truck? Uh press start. Best time just [Music] about we'll find out soon. [Music] money. [Music] Okay. 5.37 to be specific. I don't know if you're able. Can we get an answer from our absolutely gave an answer? I did. I did. Oh, okay. Yeah, I did. I I thought I could help everyone. So, what I what I had heard is from the political subdivision that it came from and Carrie I think shot back, hey, look, I'm a team player. I mean, I'll do what I have to do. But I thought she looked at where it was trying to where it originally came from. And one of them, the other one, one of them, the other we didn't know. She didn't know. That's what I did know.

Well, I maybe I should if if Mr. President, if I may just comment uh the in in in doing the research to determine, you know, whether and where those dormant kinds of funds can go, um my research landed me just to either the rainy day fund or to the general fund. um unless you could uh precisely pinpoint uh the ordinance that it came from and and if it was not I don't want to go too too far down the rabbit hole but essentially the the the statute says it's either to go to for a dormant fund the general fund or to the rainy day fund and all of the commentary from the SOA says exactly the same thing. it goes to the the general fund. As much as I I mean I certainly I I don't have any opinion one way or the other. I mean I I you know I I think the health department's done wonderful and I you know if it goes to them that's great but legally uh my uh interpretation is it goes to the general fund and that's fine. We just were keeping it on the it was tabled and so I'd like to withdraw my table. I would like to make a motion to move that 26 35737 to the general. I withdraw my second. I I I will second your motion. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? I have a question. Sorry. Do you know how far this appropriate design? So, it is my understanding that this went back to when the county operated the hospital. Yes. And that's why it went dormant because in order to have medical response for their volunteers um from the public. So it's a nationwide FEMA

ask for money um that puts locally volunteer individuals who respond in the sense of a public health emergency. And so we have the fund but when the hospital was full it's my understanding because I actually come across today where they were trying to revitalize the core again but you have to carry medical liability insurance and all volunteers. It was my understanding that was the hospital and that wasn't something exactly. So that's what happened. [Music] Yeah. [Music] Real fast. So you said it has to either go to the one of those two buttons if that's your Well, but the the SBA's guidance was it on in in every instance uh it would go to either the rainy day fund or to the general fund. uh you when you read the statute that they base that on uh this particular fund uh may you you could make the argument that it it wouldn't necessarily have to go to the general fund but I think when you read in total the statute plus SBOA guidance I think that's the clearest answer uh to that question whether to the rainy day fund or to the general fund. I'm just thinking because what she said um as money since we used to own the hospital that this might be good money to the am contract coming up

kind of tied to it. So yeah, as long as we remember that I was saying we get to where we was just a thought maybe we should just keep our mind. Another thought is through ways and measures is going to come in front of us for a new ban for $60,000. Um, reference trade, you know, what Listen, I'm fine with it. I I I I have no problem with the healthcare, but I know we have some other things coming up and, you know, maybe we help some measures out cuz that's not in their budget. It's like a 20-year-old. It's a specialized van where he has to go out and check all the um gas pumps. It's it's it's needed and he's going to be coming up in front of he's scared. I mean, like I said, I don't think that guy asked for anything since I've been here. So, um I know we're going to need that just put on everybody's radar. So, that would go no exactly [Music] this chair is going [Music] to chair. No problem. So we have a motion and a second to move to the general [Music] fund. Any further discussion? Hearing none approval, please. Jeremy Ramos, yes. Yes. Mike, yes. Andy, yes. Redstone, yes. Shar, yes. Andy, yes. Thank you. [Music] Thank you for all. We have an additional 51853 to6100 is your fund transfer. Same thing Norman fund for state board of town. Make a motion to the general fund. I'll second motion and a second. Further discussion hearing none. Roll call. Yes. Mike, yes. Andy, yes. Yes.

Michelle, yes. Ramos, yes. two. No more. We have a clarification. Yes. So, this is a few months ago we came um before the council and we have a joint part-time position that we share with the coalition. Um she goes into the schools and she has vaping prevention, things like that. Uh so that grant does end June 30th and at that time we moved that position into an hourly position in the health first Indiana fund but she does lots of risk production education for us. She works in our school leaison. So the 144 and the job description are just for an education program coordinator I think is what it's called. I just wanted to clarify that not just tobacco. So just that she does other things in conjunction with um ourselves um the hub coalition the task force be together. So it's just clarification. I don't know if you guys need to do any kind of voting just for um advertising. I just wanted to clarify that um in tobacco education that she does she does education. When is when does the grant the grant ends June 30th? She works for us. Our part of her job is like 14 hours a week and she's already been moved over to uh it will take effect July 1st. I mean it's already approved. Okay. So we just clear I know. So you just want thumbs up from all the clarification? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're all clear now. Okay. Okay. glass clearly from the other things we had to deal with today. Great. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you guys.

911 director Deb or second command. We're flexible. Additional 247500 for maintenance agreement appropri motor administrator administration for CAD provision need I'd like to open it up with a motion to deny we have a motion to deny second we have a second well any discussion discussion my motion was going to be I'd like to table because I would like to hear from Debbie um no offense but um she started the conversation so I know on vacation. So it' be kind of unfortunate for us to get this conversation right now, but I don't think anybody's approving. No, we're not we're not going to. But my stay is not have her come back if she wants or something else. That's another conversation. True. $247,000. It's not It's not going to happen. No, you're right. It's not going to happen. I'm just saying if you want to hear from No, I I listen for a second, you know. Um, no problem. Can we get a second? We have a second. Oh, we have a second. This was for what? You asked her to look into I asked her to get a quote from Motorola for how much it cost to catch up the cars. Instead, we got a quote, which I thought would be 10 to 20 grand. We got a quote for $247,000 for an ongoing contractor that we would pay for however as opposed to the stipen that you guys denied last meeting which was like $13,000 I think for two people and then one person would drop off. This is for a full-time person from Motorola issue is that that that stipen doesn't fix the problem. So I I was like really ready to speak on this tonight. Okay. The issue was not just with the cab program. The issue is also with the transfer of records. And if the person from Motor V Motorola, they've already

proven that they're struggling to transfer the records over with the system not being purchased. If this person is not going to write code to transfer the records appropriately, then this amount of money doesn't make any sense. So that's my question to you. Is this a person that's just doing CAT? Are they fixing the whole system? This would not be someone to address the records issues in terms of econom employee on site for the next year. Um that doesn't have provisions that doesn't address the record which is a huge problem. Yes, I'm sure. I mean I'm preaching in the flyer but so I used to work in an industry that did two-way radio and microwave trunking systems for power utility companies. Like this is what I did. So to have in or to have a system that was installed in quarter 4 2020 that is still not operating fully functional 5 years later is so beyond my scope of understanding. I mean we're doing major projects for you know electric companies for state and they went up in a year. So to have an organization like Motorola and I know I know I'm preaching to the choir. I know you guys are in meetings and it's big it's been a big mess but to have an organization that has not been able to trans appropriately transfer our records or appropriately write code for any of the mistakes that are happening in the transfer because that's what they should be doing and that should have been taken. I mean that's like a six-month process. So, I'm not really sure why we would pay more money to Motorola when they've in fact not done what they should have done in the initial transfer of of system. I agree. Makes it a broken system. Um, we would much rather uh do this kind of cash revision in house, right? But I mean you that doesn't that still doesn't fix the errors in the system, the record issue. No, right? So, we we need a fully function. There are multiple issues need addressed. What we in the dispatch have to address is CAD provisioning. This is

what gives us the CAD recommendations to make sure that the appropriate resources are being sent to an emergency. Right? That's the issue that we're trying to address here. I can't really speak to the records RMS records stuff. That's not really 911 area. I can't really technology. That's super important information. I mean, especially for dispatch I mean especially for dispatchers and people going on, right? Well, like like I said, dispatch doesn't deal in the records environment much. We deal with CAD dispatching and then once it gets dispatched to an officer and the officer goes on scene and writes report, that's where records management takes over. So, I have very little experience with record management. Can you do it a little bit in terms of looking up history of individuals and locations, but it's very cursory knowledge of records management? So my bigger question I guess is there someone currently in the department that has enough time on their hands to do what this what needs to be done and is it truly going to take a year? We're talking about cat provisioning. Yes, we have one person in house who has been doing the catitioning. Um he's very knowledgeable. Um but he's a shift supervisor. is not really in his just job duties as a ship supervisor. So, um he's been doing a great job. Like I said, we wouldn't much prefer to address the have in house person. Well, I guess that's what I'm asking is is this person does this person have enough time during said shift every day to address these issues and will it take a year? [Music] So I don't know how long it will take. Hopefully less than a year. Um idea is to get him the appropriate uh address his his need for appropriately we compensate him for the duties he's doing as well as train another person have him train another

person in our department to do it. for the cab. Yeah. So, I want to make sure you do last month they came in front of us and they asked for two statements, one statements for two different employees and now they're talking about one employee, but I think Debbie still wants two [Music] employ for for the initial. We would like two because of all the things that need to be corrected and fixed. after the until the end of the year, uh, we can revisit it and see if we still need the two. Um, I think we'll still need the one just to maintain the system. So, you permanently need a CA person for this for this system to work appropriately going forward. This is a permanent person. Yes. And it would be a full-time position that in in technically speaking for for them to do the technical work and continue updating whatever needs to be done with CAT this is a full-time position going forward for the foreseeable future. I think the ultimate not the big thing just to maintain I think the ultimate goal is to have a full-time position strictly just like a CAD administrator. I think what we like to do down the road right now um he is able to do it uh on ship as much as we can. [Music] Um I feel because I can't imagine the frustration level that you guys are feeling with a system that's 5 years old and still not functioning appropriately. And obviously it is a huge issue for our county because it is the safety of the county when it is not working appropriately. And then when officers are going and they can't pull up records, when they're going on, that's also a safety issue. I mean, there's just so many layers of issues with this system. So, I mean, I want you to know like I feel for you because that is that is serious frustration. I know how frustrated I feel when my grading system is at work and it's one day at school and I'm trying to get stuff done. So,

like you guys are dealing with this every day. I just want to make sure that I'm understanding that realistically speaking, you really need someone full-time tag for the foreseeable future to deal with the maintenance and the continual process of visiting. Yes, that's what she was told. Debbie is looking she does need someone working at it full-time, but that's not their only duty. That she would still be a shift supervisor. He would still be doing other Yes. But I'm just telling you Debbie had given me different information than he just Well, that's why I'm clarifying. But the guy who's there doing it is what 8 hours 10 hours. What is the shift time? 12 hours. 12 hours. So during this 12 hours, he's doing training plus calip when he's doing he's working for 12 hours. What does it matter if I'm working a little bit with this subject or that subject in the same time frame? as we're on TV because the additional duties of a cab administrator, they're very technical. They're not in the job duties. But it's not taking up his other time. I mean, he's still working the same amount of 12 hours. He's working he's working some overtime as well to address. So now she did say that mandatory. Well, and I think also theoretically speaking, it sounds like and I'm just saying what I'm hearing is that at some point the ideal I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just saying the ideal would be that you have someone full-time with CAD administrator experience right serious CAD experience which would be a higher pay scale coming in because it is a different technical problem. Is that what I need? No. I mean, all we were going to do is give a stipen and I said, "Hey, how about we just do it through the end of the year? Let's reassess

her ide." And then come budget time if Debbie wants to say, "Hey, I need a a full-time position. This much money put in her budget. We fight about it. We talk about what she's right now. He's asking for a Motorola contract for somebody to actually do this. So that's why I was asking because this looks like a more permanent situation than a segment. That's why I was asking a question because this is not a segment, right? This is a much longer situation than a segment. I This was my understanding was put on there because Andy made the comment, well, how much would it cost if somebody earlier this came back? Christmas for Christ. But I was told that it would just be two people with a sip for the rest of the year and then their hope would be that it would one person next year. I never had a conversation about a full-time person dedicated. But you guys not [Music] fulltime if you going to be a fulltime person then it would come up in budget. So why why is that not on the agenda? I was just the the 250,000 from Motorola, but I can't speak to that. Um cuz I believe we denied the statement. So we denied the what had happened. There was a vote on the statement, right? And it got denied. What had happened? She wasn't clear the siphon become more chair. She's not here. So I believe the motion was to table. No deny you. No. Okay. So, we have a motion to be a second. Yes. Okay. We have a motion to any further discussion hearing that roll, please. No.

do not want to deny it. Just yes. Redstone. Yes. Michelle, yes. Andy, yes. Jeremy Rea, yes. So, she needs to come back. Yeah. I made suggestions to her to come back with something like she had talked to several of us about uh to have a [Music] stipul to drop one off and then in her budget for next year to figure out what process I'm going to do this job. Okay, that that'll be a very strong suggestion. So just so I'm clear what I need to do or care director done. Um is is it possible to reintroduce the site issue that have to be voted on again or is that yes we can do that? Yes we can. All right I will make sure. Thank you. Okay. Oh good. There we go. Thank you sir. [Music] The following adjustments has been made here tonight for the 2025 budget year and the general fund of reduction in salaries of $13,37 pictures over 100 bucks, 1,500 bucks. Plan commission consultant 35 grand storm water furniture fix pictures fix pictures fixtures over 11500 uh JDC code reduction salaries $5,000 2024 go bond fractional 5,940,000 consultant 516,000 medical response 4 interfer

126,3557 performance fund [Music] interfer853 secondary Motion to approve. Get a motion to approve. Second. Motion in a second. Roll call, please. I'm sorry. Discussion. No discussion. Roll call, please. Greg, yes. Mike, yes. Andy, yes. Stone, yes. Michelle Harris, yes. Andy, yes. Jeremy, no. Do you need to sign? 61. No, that's motion carries. Okay. Attorney report. Nothing other than uh what we've already talked about. And the only thing I wanted to uh just point out was the I I don't know if everyone saw the email today from uh the director of communications for the RDA about the um appointment that the county council has to make to the northwest. Yeah, it is pretty professional sports development commission. They they're having their first meeting on August 6th. So, we would uh need to vote by July the latest. Yeah. And so, I I just wanted to get that on everyone's radar in terms of, you know, when we might want to have that. What exactly is this condition? I I don't I'm not that familiar with it other than you're they're considering I I think they're trying to tell you this is something cool professional sports professional. No, I was saying Reebas or me or even Red I mean Revas that is Revas's baby bringing sports and stuff to uh you had a baby's not Yeah, he's 12t tall. Yeah. Yeah, he's got to make an

appointment. the county every county council within I think it's like lake quarter and I think it's the court as well has to by um the recent statute uh appoint one member from the council to that commission yeah I will especially if we wrestle late county gets everything from the state a motion that's fine and we can do that tonight or I just want to make sure that everyone We have a motion and a second to have Jerry be the [Music] represent Indiana program. Um on that um all in favor say I. I oppose say I no good sir. Okay. any other uh information or anything else. Okay, there we go. So, is someone going to respond to them? Let him know. [Music] Yeah, we'll have Joy call Wellman and let him know. Okay. And I'll set up a form. Yep. I'll set up a form where Andy can sign it and he'll be perfect before the council like Mr. President. I had some I'd like to talk about for discussion. Okay, sir. Go ahead. Um, you know, department is bringing on additional personnel or any type of raises. specific at this time any the council the department any department bringing um forth any additional personnel or raises um I would like to make a motion that um we put like a hiring increase and no raises

until um budget times we have to find out what our budget is going to be you know get a get a grip on something can they uh uh if somebody leaves can be in place if I have no problem with that I just do traditional traditional people and I guess it bothers I've always said this it bothers beyond a budget that people come different ways and if you want to fight for your people fight during budget time and talk about it and I understand there's grants or different things so there's things that you know come up in front of us and I have no problem with that but um right now where we're at I just think we you know with the hiring freeze and um I don't believe anybody should come up in front of us for Um, council may may I clarify that that does not include legion uh director back with a stipen request. The stipen's already in her budget. Okay. As far as just clarify that that that request I believe she has eight spots. I think it's eight. She's using six. Um, so I would have no no problem that new personel handle free. so big and it's time for the wave to get raises then I'm looking for I just don't want a department head coming up for additional people and or raises until we get the budget when we get the budget we talk about it and then I mean from from January February and March our meeting should be easy nobody really should be looking for more people or more or more raises I mean guys that's our job we put in the work to set these budgets we should we should abide by now when there's grant opportunities. For example, like Sheriff Balon gets a grant to pay for half a cop. I have no problem with that because, you know, we're getting half paid for. That's great. We can add a person. But, you know, I just think the the the times with SB1, what we're facing right now, I I just I don't want to see requests come

in front of you, quite frankly. I really don't. And we can hammer this out during budget. But if you make that and then you allow someone um our department to do that where they're moving their money around and giving raises that's why that's why we have the president put a motion to do it because we have the president put out to the department heads we're not entertaining raise or any additional um personnel the yeah on our next meeting we are so I wouldn't be coming up in front of us if you put out a memo that says we are not entertaining new hires not entertaining Um many any raises you don't put it on the agenda control right it's controlled by this control by it should not be coming up so it's entertained right now so I agree ahead that look good for the hiring I have a problem with outside public safety is Again, if they need and you know, couple cops leave, I have no problem replacing cops, you know, in the police [Music] officer doing it for anybody. I'm just talking about anybody, new hires, new positions, accept acceptable, places are acceptable, or if there's grant money that comes in in the middle of the year, you know, look at it. Yeah, go right ahead. I need a motion. Let's talk about it. Turn it on. Who do you want to hire, sir? You need more chairs. Um, just a point of clarification. Yes, sir. Uh, I'm losing a person this year. No.

So, would be replacing that person? I heard you address that. But in the budget last year, I do have a budget for two positions. I yet that was approved last year. So, could there be a clarification if I don't have it in the budget? My main intention, honestly, Mike, was I know you had two positions, but you know what sticks out in my mind? God, I hate doing this, but when airport was in front of us, and I'll never forget this. It's like, well, hey, how many positions you have? Uh, six. How many you filled? Two. How long have you tried filling them for? um I think 2007. I swear to God I'm like, "Wait a minute. Why we're putting positions and we're not filling them." And it's just to me this is just not how my brain works. I mean, if you need somebody, you know, we get people. Personally, I think the people you have, I think you can honestly um work with them till the end of the year till your budget. I mean, I already have you through these positions. You're you're you're right. I I I get that. But I think there's a time that you know it's it's just one of these things where it's like what what this council has coming up in front of us. I understand every department that wants to hire somebody and you had in your budget. I I think your earlier thing when you were talking about taking money from our you know to buy something else right you know if you have that money there are you asking if you wanted to fill these two positions at this time. Is that what you're asking? Well, the way I heard the motion lining up is hiring new positions. No new positions unless you have them already staffed right now. That's that's just pretty that simple. I mean, so are his two Okay. So, were his two positions They're not staff now. He couldn't hire. That's what So, they're not staffed now. So, they're not staffed now. Were they staffed last year? No, they they're not staffed period. Got it. If you if council remembers I did come to budget time we had chief engineer Mike Noatne and all that I decided we're going to do this whole office

reorganiz part of that was two assistants one for the highway engineer one for the storm water engineer. We've been trying to hire, but by the time the budget was, you got to make motion. You got to hire these people, especially graduates, you got to make offers in December and January. We've been unsuccessful. We're not going to find them now. Probably find them later in the year. But the way you're wording your motion is, I can't fill those positions if I have to come before you. Cuz the reason why I don't want to fill the positions quite frankly is because if, god forbid, we have to cut, we have to have money to cut. I'm just being honest with you. So if if if we need if we need money to cut, you don't want to hire them and then why even hire them and then say, "Okay, well, hey guys, find 10 15%." I mean, it it and I'm not saying they're not needed, Mike. Everybody's needed, right? Everybody Everybody's department comes in front of us and says, "I need I need I need. But I think this year, and I hope I'm wrong, I think we're going to have to say, do we really need it?" Like, do we really need an assistant? Can we get by? That's where we're at, guys. I mean, that is that is where we're at this year. Um, I'm just going to it's just a comment. Um, I hear what uh what Brett is saying, but I think that if it's already budgeted, you know, I would kind of segue off of what you're saying. You know, that we encourage or somehow let me know we're going to have to underspend by 10%. Underspend your budget by 10% and he can cut wherever he wants. hypothetically if we were to do something like that. Um, so we could still hire his people part-time or wherever he is, it's in the budget, but if we were to say, you know what, you got to understand why 10% because of the challenges we have, then he would go back. I don't know where he's going to find it, but that's up to each department to do that. I mean, that's just I'm just kind of throwing it

out. I don't question. I just was saying you're saying that it may not necessarily be salary. If you go back to him and he decides 10 handwriting everything and printing everything and they can cut by 10% that's fine. Personnel is big is usually where people find it. But you know what they can find whatever the percentage is if we were to even do that. But I think it's going to kind of segue with the challenges we're going to be faced with and then he can decide if it were happen where he would find that. And I guess where I'm going with this is a lot of times when I see it just things irk me where you know we need we need we need and then a position goes and then they split the positions money up against every you know with for everybody else. It's like just stuff like that. It's like if you need the people I have no problem. Let's get the people. But somebody leaves and they say well we're going to reorganize. We're going to take that position and and divide your money up you know by 10 people that are there. It just it just doesn't feel right to me. We should be doing a lot of this stuff during budget and if if you need the people then we hire the people strategically and I have no problem with that. But to to kind of play these games I just I don't like the games really. I be honest I don't like the games. Shouldn't matter where the budget where the money comes into like if it's in his budget it's not part of the general fund. Should that not matter? I mean because now he's it's not hurting our general fund or anything else. And I know you always get mad at me for saying this Greg but I will tell you any whether So I know but whether it's a fee, whether it's whether it's a storm water fee, whether it's a tax, it's the tax, it's the people pay. So um the general fund versus non- general fund really never care. I've never I don't care about that. I care about all the tax dollars spending them wisely as wise as wisely as we can. That's just how my brain works. Okay? I don't differentiate

between, you know, well, you raise your own fees. Well, the people are paying the fees. So I agree with what you're saying 100% but you know in response to your comment you know about mid year I I took your advice last year I came a budget time to get these positions filled so I feel we went through the process you're asking us to do and they are there they are open spots we just can't hire you know hiring engineers right now is so I have a question for you sir let's say [Music] that motion is worked to the point where in particular the case where it's budgeted to have people and the people aren't there already budgeted. What is the likelihood that you would fill those positions before the end of the year? I think greater than 5050 probably more like 75%. Why do you think you have not hired him up to this point? Because we have to find that individual. To get the right individual, you got to find the person that's working somewhere that's happy, but they could be happier somewhere else. That's my philosophy. And I don't really have a lot of people. It's tough. You're not going to get a college graduate coming out to do the expertise we want to do. We do have one person we are actively interviewing this month. Um, that's for the one position. Chelsea's on the train right now. So, that one's unfolding. So, you know, you get the best people. We're not just hiring just a warm body. We're hiring someone specific man or woman that's got maybe seven years experience that ground up. It was set up that way purposely. So, with that information, council stone, would you like to proceed with your motion to keep it in or Well, I I just think we get caught in this, you know, and I and I agree with Mike 100%. you know, well, if it's in their budget, um, you know, but then we have the

people that have it in their budget and, you know, they come out in front of us and I'll be honest with you. I mean, I think you've been doing a great job. If you don't hire the next two people till till till next budget session, you know, it it is what it is for me. I would vote no. I I you know how I feel about all this. So, um, it just not a surprise to you. Um, I just I I think there's things that we have to kind of, you know, put our foot down and say that this is not the time to be be hiring more people cuz we we technically will be hiring more people, you know. So, that's that's where I stand on it. Right. So, we have a motion not to hire any new additional people or raises, sir. Correct. I have a motion. Can I get a second? I'll if you want to amend it. Think it's better. Hey, I'm I don't want to be on that. I just want to bruise the rules and take a second for discussion and just have discussion. It's I mean I know what you're doing. I appreciate what you're doing. The great pops to say, "Yeah, I don't I don't know why we even schedule a meeting until June, you know, and after we set the budgets, you know, for that reason we said earlier um we set the budgets, they should work within the budgets." But um and I know you're trying to do that. I think SB1, you know, I can't wait to have Baker up in front of us and have that discussion, but Thompson Sims, you know, made a good point about I I think SP1 didn't happen to be on the the property tax fund, the general fund. You know, I don't all all his funds are, you know, it's a bridge fund, but is a rate fund that is a rate. So, that does kind of indirectly affect our fun. Um, but [Music] sciented by SB1, but I'm just trying to think and appreciate where you're going to let's slow things down here until we get a a better understanding of what

we're about ready to, you know, walk into 2026. Is there is there a way to maybe slur ourselves into this and see like just maybe the rest point of the motion is just any any new hires in the general fund outside of public safety. We kind of leave the the fee based funds and we can wrap this up next meeting. No, listen I'm anyone I want to get the conversation started. I appreciate any input any input. I I truly do and I would have no problem with that. But just and I again where I come from whether it's feebased fund or not makes no difference in my head coming you know I haven't been in government that long where I'm like wow feebased versus not feebased it's all a fund right I mean if they double storm water fee that's yeah money that's coming out my ramp it up you know maybe we start with nonpublic safety in the general fund which is going to be the fund that is most impacted by SP1 you know we just start getting the message out don't fill any positions in the general fund you outside public safety until further notice. We based funds, you know, you're going to be looked at in the near future here. So, start at your desk. You know, maybe we can address and of you down the road. I'm just I I appreciate where you're going with it and I support it. trying to figure out and you know just from a legal perspective my only concern um I I think we need to if we're going to vote as you had suggested um we may want to think that I I would be a little more comfortable having some time to kind of think that through in terms of the implications of that we don't want to back ourselves into a corner and it may be um you know something as simple as uh you know sort of a resolution uh to all department heads that we are not going

to look favorably upon, you know, a a request like that. Um yeah. Yeah. I just I and and I I totally I mean I mean my my opinion on that political question doesn't matter because I'm not elected, but I do agree with what you're saying. Absolutely. It's just I worry a little bit about uh making a uh a blanket uh uh having a blanket vote on something like that without having some more time to kind of think through, you know, is is it appropriated? Is it budgeted? Are we going to get into a fight with a department head over something that's already been, you know, budgeted, you know, previously? I and again I and I appreciate that that that sentiment, but I look at it as and this I'm not rehashing this, so pretty please don't get on me about this, but if we weren't going to appropriate $6 million to build a building while we have a bond, then I think I can tell the department, hey, look, we're not we're not doing any more hires, which I have no problem with that. That's your right. Good for you. I have no problem with that. But if we have that right to do that, then we definitely have that right to say no more hires, no more raises. I don't care if it's in your budget or out of your budget. I I no I I we either do have the authority to do it or or we don't. We would do that by a vote, not all. And if you guys want to do a strongly worded resolution, I have no problem with that. If Mr. Basquez wants to, you know, tell the department that, hey, I'm I'm not going to entertain that. I'm not agenda. It's not I'm not putting on the agenda. You have that right. And I I would exercise that right if I was president. If I was you, I'm sorry. You're not getting put on the agenda. and that may be the way to get exactly what you're driving at without running into any uh prematurely running into any legal issues. Uh but I I I think that's maybe a resolution that hey, you know what we want to see on the it's not

going to get put on the put on the agenda or or or Jeremy's suggestion as well. I I mean I'm I don't want to take a a I'm not going to die. Yeah. on that one cuz it's but I just wanted to make sure that we don't um without thinking through exactly how we want to phrase that word that what we're going to be voting on particularly when we're talking about monies that may have already been budgeted. I mean, and I'm not and I think we're going to put a lot of work towards this year's budget session. You know, Thursday meetings, meeting with department heads, and I think we did a lot with last year's budget. Some of the things with juvenile detention that I learned, we got it done for them. I mean, so I think as a council, we did we did a lot of good things with those budget, you know, listening to the department heads. But so, I just want to mention something and I'm just playing devil's advocate. This is kind of what I thought. So if we're asking the departments to stick to their budgets, then I feel like we need to keep our word on this year's budget. That's my only like internal conflict is that is that if we're asking them to adhere to a budget, then I feel we as the council have to adhere to the budget we approve I was approved. Does that make sense? Like cuz then it's like, okay, we're adhering to what we said was given and you're adhering to what you said you needed and we are both accountable for what was said. But see, but with like devil's advocate, I I get that. But the thing about it is is there's some things that need attention, some things don't. Um, things change so much and things change so much in government. You know, you might get a grant the next month that today you hire two people. I I have no problem doing that. You know, it's going to be paid 3/4%. Um it's just I I just think we have to have a resolution where, you know, during budget, I want this to get fought out during budget and

I think if we do our job as a council department has do their job. I, you know, January, February, March should be easy. Should be easy months. They should Well, then something else that needs to be mentioned in long overtime. If somebody is is lacking an individual, they might use overtime to get some extra work done, which again is decreasing our budget. So maybe along with people, it's no overtime. I'm just But I can't see it throwing. But again, that can be a cost effective because like with Debbie Gun, she is paying overtime and didn't hire like two or three people. So, and we said, "Yeah, we'd rather have you do that than than hire two or three additional people because you have the benefits. You have the, you know, health insurance costs." So, paying the extra overtime on on some things is is actually, you know, maybe heard that in this process. Again, I appreciate where you're going. I agree. There's a resolution that that the council passes that says, you know, it, you know, in light of Sing one, you know, we're going to we're going to really look at any request to get on the agenda. You know, I think that's going to come back. What if I get a motion and then I say I have Harold write something on. Okay. You don't have resolutions that like Exactly. as a specific case here. We go with no hires, no raises. However, he can come. He hire somebody that's in his budget and we don't say I mean let's face it that's our there's nothing to stop him from hiring. He can he doesn't have to come in front of us and start saying it's already budgeted. So he right now resolution we would have to change the budget. Am I correct? Well, that's that's the concern I have is I I control the

top. I agree. Right now, I have no problem with that. I I would be a happy camper. If we say that nobody can hire the county right now, the fiscal body and whatever pass the vote resolution, however, and then hire the budget, but I think that would be flying in our face and we could just we could do a reduction next week, get rid of the positions, right? We have that authority, right? That would be really hard to do though with someone that's just kid out don't hire and they go around and hire. They're I mean yeah we have that authority. Yes. How long have you got at this point? Let me just ask you that. I mean it's a strain on some of the managers on there. Is it possible to use that money for the employees that you get to hire as overtime money? The people that are being burned by the people that don't get over time. Uh, okay. I think it's all in your hand, J. Well, thank you. Also, by you all the time. Who's the vice president? Um, that's I've had plenty of conversations with people that called me and I said that I don't think it's a good idea for you to bring that up. Absolutely not. So, I I I I have no problem doing that when people call me. And Mike, I had this discussion with you. You know, you know how I feel about this. I told you face to face, right? Exactly. And you brought it in front of me. So, and I agree with that and no new hires or no no raises. The only concern I have is that he if he's running you don't want to burn your people out. That's that's all there is to it. Okay?

That's how we lose people. Okay? So that if I if I might as some clarity when again I've only done this one year but when I feel warm up it's by position with a annual salary you approve that but that's when I came to your degree organization so those positions so in general on one hand I feel as a manager of the department who gave me the budget I get to operate within these parameters and say specifically this person at this salary But if I want to change that, I think that's really where a lot of your hard work is and I don't have to change those. So I'm not asking so additional people or raises outside of your budget. Yes, that's fine. Move forward. Yeah, moving forward. I have no problem with that. Good. Are there any questions? Any discussion? No, it's been discussion. It's just we have to let everybody know. We're not sure what's coming down with you know [Music] SB1 that have now so then the resolution will be that there will be no additional hires or let me ask why do we need to do that? Why do we need a resolution to just like Andy could just say no. Just we don't need a resolution. And you can send an email. We're just putting the word out to the department when we put out the first anyway. Um heads unless you have it in your budget know the people who raises. Thank you very hopefully not get the rush of hey we better hire these people make sure and spend all our budget budget money they're going to be responsible

no I know that's I agree [Music] was there was there was there discussion again. Uh, thank you. Uh, our session of all the comments we stand on today on [Music] today, I use the endorment fund. However, we have $131,563 that we had no idea we had. How long can we have this money just sitting around? I mean if that is from the health department what other departments do we have issue and I mean unfortunately he got up but at the time they left really $13153 what we have is basically car the new administrators um we have another one in the sheriff department of absorb for about 12 years or something like that when I heard that I had so many fun department that's so nobody [Music] talking to going. So the shovel business

unfortunately got that issue this year. Now we are saying look for every fun. I can't prior to 2025 but I can tell you. So we found two so far so [Music] far. We've had many many years there's [Music] always one funds created also for ramp. So sometime a grant was going into a specific account or a specific fund and then the grant stopped. So then that account kind of like disappeared but it was only made for grant. So an idea that was one of the ones they evaluated from the health department or maybe that was a sheriff one where it was a specific sheriff. It was a sheriff but it was specifically for a grant and right no longer existed. So I think that that's why like this is the sheriff. Yeah. So I mean those funds are generally I think created for a purpose that might be temporary or to serve a practical function at that time but yes I know that auditors obviously it just convenient to me as we pulled some of their funding and all of a I got 31,000. I bought it. Thank you. Thank you. Any further comment? Public comment on anything you spoke tonight. My name is Mike County over high school. I came about the data center just in the recording. [Music] So thank you for clarifying that for consulting in reality that that's why I said that I think I stipulated in the

very beginning of this whole data center concern is that we the council we don't make that decision that's a commission decision. So that's why it was stated tonight that by approving his money, it was in no way, shape or form saying that we have [Music] proced of the island. The other thing I add was I've come to a couple of these meetings. I heard Mr. Stone say about SB1 and I'm wondering how that's going to affect we know he's talking about budget. I'm thinking they're going to get less money. They're thinking they don't know what that budget's going to be. and how that's going to affect the taxpayers as far as us, you know, having to pay our taxes next year. I thought it was a tax credit that we were going to be getting, you know, credit for, but I was wondering tax credit up to $300. It's a 365 page bill that I got to about 25 pages and said I'm not doing it. So that's why the council I believe at our next meeting is going to have bank. So if you want to really learn because I think they're going to really get into the details of who, what, where, when, and why, and we'll kind of understand the impact of what that's going to talk about. Yeah. So what happens is the people down the state say, "Hey, we're going to cut your taxes by $300." The local municipality, cities, states, you know, counties, um, they put it on us to say, "Well, if you don't have it, rate, you raise the taxes." So really, all they're doing is shifting the burden on us for us to be the bad guy. And that's just how that's how it works. [Music] Thank you very

comments. Second call. Any other comments? Third call. Any other comments? Hearing none motion second.