Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Yes. >> And the chair is lying. That's what you're now listening. Alright, next time, I'm number seven, A, the Harding Heights by the number one, a lot to take five oil chains used by special review. and we will open the public hearing at 701. All right, those were some little ears. Good evening. Thank you for having me. We're here today and you said it's the Harding Heights take by with you. change use by special media. So this 1.375 equals to 0.75. your property is located south of the plumsway and wants to park a road. The lot was created as the support and height subdivision minor development platform in 2024. currently make it with private access drive improvements constructed. The applicant is proposing a use of special review to allow for automotive repair minor on the property and The subject property is bound by making what love to the West side and by commercial uses to the north southeast. The proposal will be for each and every person. by a wheelchair in the next year. communities on dentistry which the subject properties limited in requires a use The property was resumed in 2024 to mix use community or MC this year. to consolidate the zoning within the hardy-crits development. and can't support a mix of uses, emphasizing pedestrian friendly design and active ground activity with auto oriented uses limited and subject to use my special review for had ability evaluation. Because the proposals entirely ought it oriented and lots of different things. industry and component, staff wanted to inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the M.C. The subject property is located within the central commercial character area of the Comaster plan. The Central Commercial District encompasses the the town. Do it

central location with access to park a road this character area should on retail services, offices, lodging, restaurants, entertainment, and the design. focuses on the particular pedestrian connectivity between uses. within the central commercial character area, however, the proposed drive through oil change facility. is not consistent with the area's vision for balance, balance, pedestrian supportive and academic not be fully adaptable commercial development. While side walks are present, the drive-through only for matter. is not meaningfully contribute to multi-modal activity, community interaction or the mixed of uses encouraged by the master plan. The proposal also does not advance goals related University, Economic Vitality, or Redevelopment efforts intended to focus on oriented. uses away from the Parker Road Portal. The original zoning anticipated commercial uses such as retail services, dining, lodging, and entertainment, though activate the corridor and support the coach. be so commercial core. Although classified as a service use, the auto-wrainted nature the entire society engagement of the proposal do not contribute to the contingency, connectivity, or flexibility. and vision for the central commercial area. Based on this analysis, staff finds a request to get to the with the Parker 2030 by Masterland. The subject property is also located within the Parker Road corridor plan. This was adopted in 2019 as an of the Parker 235 Master Plan and biortyases re-investment and coordination. theatre board -- well, I believe we are getting aica's and use towards projects that strengthen pedestrian connectivity, support corridor efforts include tribute to the cohesive crucial development within the central sub-area. [INAUDIBLE] Use does not advance these objectives. As it provides no pedestrian engagement. and represents a standalone auto oriented development that is not contributing to or it will reinvestment or court-initiate

redevelopment patterns. this relationship to the property and the plans for a specific priorities. This is a request inconsistent with the Parker Road corridor plan. [BLANK_AUDIO] There are nine criteria used to evaluate the use by special review. These criteria assess compatibility with surrounding character consistency with the map. and the advocacy of services and infrastructure to support the use. Following evaluation against these criteria, staff determined that the proposal does not mean the approval standards established in the land development ordinance. It's about the following criteria as unsupported by the proposal. compatibility with the character of surrounding areas in neighborhood. the town master plan and adequate bicycle pedestrian and and circulation without undo multi-modal impacts. supporting these determinations are provided in the sapper corn. So, I have to review the proposal and has determined that all notice requirements have been signed. However, all 9 criteria cannot be satisfied and the product project is not consistent with the master plan. Therefore, staff recommends the planning mission in town council deny the hardy heights take five use by specials review. This concludes staff's presentation. I'm available to answer any questions. The commissioners may have an answer. and is an attendance as you may with a presentation and answer any questions. Any questions for Elizabeth? I just have a couple. One of the phrases you used was no coordinate and redevelopment. And you'll elucidate on that and you can use more words. So the creation of this hard and tight subdivision was established in 2024 with a approval of the hearty type subdivision originally submitted

by the quick trip corporation. So they took these three lots on Parker Road that originally didn't have access on the Parker Road. and at the infrastructure in place and consolidated the zoning. they read a designate from the McClentock PD, which is in the fire action. in the staff report, basically created these three developer robots. So it's a coordinated development effort of these three lots. And how does that not to be? for according to your report, how does that not support? of a USB special review. Well, for this you have to submit. to ask for. For this use by Special Review, it's due to the auto oriented usage. So the combination of those three lots in the infrastructure that was put in place along with the the Masterpin, the Parker Road corridor, plan emphasizing this area as well. pedestrian friendly. The infrastructure is in place for sidewalks and the potentially use supports but I'm sure in friendly activity but this use does not this use requested. by the use by specials review does not utilize the pedestrian infrastructure. So therefore it does not align with the... park a record on the park or master. Now I understand you point. Do we have sidewalks? that go from longs weight down to mean straight yet. So I actually... So right now. There is sidewalks that go through the quick trip on the side. could access it by going down Parker Road from Longstreet. to Marker Road down to Main Street. Yeah, that is the route that you can tell me. but we don't currently have sidewalks in front of the cemetery as I recall. fall. I'm not doing. Is there a sidewalk there? There's a sidewalk that connects. Main

Street, underneath. So we have a sidewalk connection all the way through up to one question I had. you kind of touch on it with this being auto oriented in the back then it's People are not going out of their cars for the service if they if it was more like a traditional way change where people believe their cars would not with that change stats or We did discuss the business model made with the take five operations. They don't get out of their car. There is that incompatibility with the pedestrian infrastructure. They did have a waiting room. I'm absolutely re-evaluated, but overall the use of it. the auto-wrainted use would still be against the read about benefits to relocate these from to the more light industrial zone behind Parker Road. I wrote in your journal and had a question. Currently, it's a really out of the foreclosure. have bought a related things. We've got a gas station. We've got a on a part store, we've got an actual car sales lot and another gas station. And then I think it's Twisters, is up on the North, North West Quar. How is it that? is part of this division that we're going to eventually not have as much of that auto there that eventually they'll be redeveloped in the car. side will go away and the gas station up there. That's it. Parker Rookwaterman was adopted in 2019 with that goal. online. So this is one of the first cases we've seen on Parker record in the plan for a coordinated rehabilitation effort that could hopefully send to those auto-oriented off of Parker Road. So I guess the ultimate goal with the Parker Road Quarter of less of these auto oriented uses that we're existing before the Park Road

So given that, why did staff -- recommend, quit trip when we had that put in front of us. 'cause that's another auto use. I'm sorry for the difficult. questions. I didn't get it just look at this ahead of time in order to like, you know. So I can take that. Sure. So, good quick trip. property had a series of issues. issues that have no pedestrian connectivity. You're also. and a flat in the field. And some quick trick came in. They did. A. They fixed all that. B. They built a lot of pedestrian infrastructure. associated with the site, made significant improvements to the site. And then the last thing is it's got a T with a retail component. So kind of combination of all the fixations. the death strength by somebody but that strength and that groove is to the beginning. to activity. And the fact that it does significant retail. that probably this is a language story there. Thank you. So it really is just a business model that you're not like. you're staying in the cars. So it's the auto. oriented solely auto oriented. business or abuse. Right. Yeah. There's. why we're recommending it doesn't mean because the criteria. And I'm going to jump on that too because Elizabeth kind of said it in her review is not just the business model, non-canon of the car, it's that. This use is not really part of that from recorded. Yes, we

need auto or oil change places that we're trying to read about the forward forward so that it's more of a place. Pretty more of a place that people want to come visit and start. stop and not just try by or try to kill. And so this is the first read of all but it's not just that they don't get out of their car, it's that use as a whole. It just doesn't fit with the per grid corridor plan and the master plan as well. I think that's part of our confusion is a gas station. doesn't seem to be that much different. You know, normally if there's something that staff is recommending it's. They're not being the criteria because it's too tall. You know, there's some quantifiable this is just just, you know, it doesn't have to fly. And that, like, right said, the picture kind of brought that conversion. component so it has a retail component. Quick trickles the first ones actually take them. for your properties. Build the infrastructure, raise it up 'cause it used to be a massive, So it sat down in the hole. There wasn't access to the property. and a problem that infrastructure and it started to create that something place. recommendations with a useful resource review to create onboard seeding and also gas stations. But people could go order and vote and sit outside and eat as I'm trying to create more of them place for pedestrians to enjoy as such as driving in right now. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO]

First questions. I'm going to add this type. And you said that. the app that can tag you on the date. Okay, they can step to the podium. Please stay tuned and have a rest for the record. Please. Good. >> Good evening, Chair World Commission members. My name is Jim Gable. I'm a playcon development. I'm sorry for what you're on. What did you for your field? What did you want? appreciate the opportunity to be here and see you next year. I'll see you next year. Thank you for helping us navigate through this process, which all jurisdictions are a bit different so it's a little challenging times. So thank you, Elizabeth for your help. In our presentation, we're going to do a couple of things. We'd just like to first of all, review of take five we're talking about some of the operations taking a little bit of that take five and our project team. playcon. We're also one of the review project locations again, depending on what context. We want to review the process timeline that goes to this point for more we begin. Uh, begin our journey by getting the project under the Barcelona continent. I'm trying for my quick trip. That's purpose is parcel. And then we want to share. I'm going to commit my to staff as we demonstrate it over this process. I don't reflect any just about everything they've asked for. Do our design review? Was that a good thing? placement location, so I think we'll then choose the key points that we'd like you to consider. There's been a forward. Hopefully, what's in good biopsy, I'd say, could be better. to the United States. First of all, President T. Take by will, Jim. It's an upscale drive through all the all-chain centered on the rhythm brands. Look at the with over 1000 locations nationwide. Our stores have a 30 to 50 customers per day. low traffic impact today and we do probably be doing more. 15 to 20 people at a given time. So there's that. It is

again a lot. So we attack clean and efficient operation. We lost one environment control to deliver. the car's horsepower or change. The more I saw it, the more competing, all changed. So, just a little bit about claycon, claycon, the upgraded French as a the operating, 30-35 service centers inside. Dr. Lyon, Denver, Denver, Colorado area. We'll call it Denver Metro. that did quality construction staffing in customer service. I've gotten to 2002. 23, National French, I was either here, based on the quality growth model, operational because they're constantly regarded as a top 10 franchise even over 1000 franchisees. I'm afraid more of patients in the hospital. But with videos and content list, they build on experience, especially like some of these types of things. else. I'm going to do again, should it be possible? this is very similar to what Elizabeth had been straight to the lower alert about our site. for the new quick trip is. The surrounding languages will get into this one. Please tell me. But also the partner room. which is a thoroughfair carrying from city to 50,000. 7,000 vehicles per day. I think it's a little while to go down here. on the air state. So this round of land uses again the new quick trip with the instruction quick trip provided, which by the way even though we are to sing over one point was right at one point something anchors will our developer here is only 0.5 A-ers. That's always have to develop with. We've got the shift to the south, the cemetery. very light industrial John Deereview, the city of Plumton, the Hillier Company. those lighting industry

uses to our west and north and then again the big all motive. Barbara is our issue. You may agree. Next slide please. process in Lake Lighthouse. early last year, Blinkon contracted per-profit. And then we asked for a free application. which occurred on June 24, 2025. We're going to stay after they're recommended that we do go to this use by special redeep and that way we could concurrently run it. on our technical site plan review along with the East Las Pesian review. appreciate that. That was a serious time, making a official and get everything. I'm looking right right here actually. So all rounds are coming. and review by playing engineering and other agencies. Multiple signpostings. Mayland community meeting that no one attended except our team here. We found that our cycling reviewed. is technically going to prove utility, far more fuel. range all that has been technically approved at this point. Pending. very special to you, crew. And by the way, your tap piece of pretty expensive here $4,000 tapped into the bay once we did very well. I decided to develop to you again. I'm going to reiterate this may that each column flange that, including the rewrite project near, it quickly relive on clears that out hand. and we went back into the 2003 pipeline. and how to really tailor our response and then write it. to conform into that plan. So after that six months or two us as we would have known by the

student December 10 by email and personal comment. we're responding to that by the way we're not going to support this, just letting you know. And with all the respect, we were quite surprised and quite disappointed. Therefore, we said let's move the planning mission being back in the month and see if we can something else. So the question then personally, the Miss Matthews and the Stewart. and the reversion is enough to provide that. So we had that on January 15th, they also understand the position of the president. and we just kind of thought we'd do everything just the right way. That time Mr. Matthew's request is riddenry within the-- the board of plans of Harvard, the board of plans. This burning my memory. PJ 3 that plan. So that's why I'm pleased. Oh [BLANK_AUDIO] This is page A3 into the horror plan in a large scale along with this existing land uses around here. The new infrastructure to supply some of the new and the facilities that are in place. And we have a cemetery to the south, written in the environment itself. So the plan, the older expected, the plan. which pushes buildings up to the road. But we have architecture in our land background. context, it's variable down. percent of the instance. Yeah, can we get to that slide? As we as we zoom in, we'll get a little that if you go to high-intensity pedestrian oriented commercial mission just development. as to the state of several times, they could be a symbol of the core more. create a smaller one with another pot and we understood that but we had no idea that that was going to cause us not to be able to have our use. It is on the small point of the release. I do want to go on out to the... extension of the road. We're quick to business where that else is. building is with

the parking deck, and obviously that is not the infrastructure and the simple way is to replace the road placement for the extension crossing of the road. Parker, that's my exactly how it was built. And then again we're left with that little and we'll find a way to get a reparsal with all the infrastructure in place and all the surrounding things around. I don't think that John your dude's going to be wearing quick drips. be there for at least in years. They hope and we'd like to be there with we do make very of business partners and there's a really economic engine when we move on. work together. So, next slide, please. [Music] So we wanted to also be able to illustrate how we responded. to staff. Our pread meeting is what you see on the left and screen. note the building orientation, the circulation so far, like inside of walks out of the sidewalls at quick trip and put it previously. After it is all look at this, I will be the building orientation was changed. Through a couple of rounds of comments with staff. additional concrete sidewalks all around the building. We had inches. we were asked to add a table which we were certainly adding and all the outdoor gallery here. We have a bike rack, a vacation voyage more or rather bicycles. Let's work. Get a car for a ride. of significant landscaping to irrigation. require not to glance in, or expect me. You really clap for me. And then architecture. That was a big one too. built in prototype building, which was soon relapse with basically ethos that's cornerstone. and the football will tower elephant from upper science. So, After all this we went through at least three rounds of comments on our protection buildings As you can see, we had the proof down, the same bed, the same roof structure as town. We've added

transparency. We've added windows doors, the way it's getting treatment or what are they with some people call it. We might be at least three material changes. staff requests and we ended up with the custom way we were going to do this purchase custom brick because staff didn't like us the idea of how to paint that in brick. So we We contract it with our contract. We have contract, we know virus, power, or takes. to a tailor-custom delivery, all this typical site, in the staff of the corner. That's what it was. And again, just want to reiterate some key points that the surrounding way is, in the same way. and users. And today's zoning design brought to you that is that we have to follow. the infrastructure around us between the order point this out to. between the best of brothers and quick trip. That's a storm war management base. I don't know if you're that are not the next part of the original project too. So, can't really be anything in there. probably in our generation. And there's six languages. Howard was all there respect that plan with the opportunity to bring that into that corridor. It just does not feel like for my experience I'm trying to enhance that. And then again, in our part, there's only one file they There's a group surrounding relevant. There's just really. economically and physically, unfeasible to create anything on that property. I'll try to do that. [BLANK_AUDIO] There's nothing else, this higher and better use on the site than the lower all-mave. I'll be able to use in a small jetty, plus a nice work of building. I don't know how we, or it makes you, but actually, well, it has. to be held in that

standard. Well, this small property. you know, our team performed a very common and felt very positive about this as we've with this process. Again, let's thank you for your help there. And then we disagree on the shoot. But economically, this is a very rare five-league use, more than you think. We've had a group of rents and love this property. We've had a big chip for another areas of the country. extremely well our good tendency and we will drop traffic there. The service model does not let people get out of the cars, but it does bring into the property. It's possibly a cheer-other. They can all look out to these what's running here. So again thank you very much for your work. We love to be having things out of here for a great operator. And we got you the appreciate you. It's a really true. I think. answer any questions you have. If I can't answer, I'll get it to the script as a possible questions from Mr. Gail. I'm either the same developers that did the take five minutes. of North End Parker Road. No doubt that was another group. That's not true. to the steering wheel. We're just going to hit the car. All right. [BLANK_AUDIO] and staff is willing to disagree and appreciate that. Oh back to my pleasure. as far as I know. Again, if we want to work together, we're using the partner. And we can respectfully disagree on how to do it. So you put in the bike racks and the benches. And I know your model does have a anybody get out of the car. So Who do you anticipate using the bike racks and the benches and the tables and things like that? That just be for blip and play break. Yes, and as we discuss with staff that what it is. for employees

essentially and if we get some leader. which would have you great too, but just give them We're sitting here, out there. We get the last year, we're going to create a very nice environment. Very high quality building. as well. Again, the business model just goes down a lot. But I'll bring this up to another whole change user, which would be another high-status, in the way, and while we leave the way, we're going to go me and drown into There's no other destination. >> That's a quick trip. >> Good. >> For a pretty good. >> Yes. It's my strength as well. [BLANK_AUDIO] Okay. Another question, Jim? Okay. Yeah, how long is the process when you pull in, get your roll changed, and then we are at that point two minutes. And it depends on those service. We do very, very much service. a community change with a filter check. And that's, you know, check. I think my wife's got our control if not Vaseline. I have a lot of fun. Who's doing this? Yeah. Everything else? All right. Thanks for coming. Thank you very much. Thank you for the question. for staff? Yes. So the other thing. other other go-to-use that are on that same corner. The quick trip is going to be there for a while and it is for some people. boy is a destination for food and drink and I recognize that. on the other side. How do you anticipate those being redone? And if someone, if someone, if someone, and say a planning commissioner lived on

the east side of the parking road. and wanted to go to quick trip or twist burgers or anything else you put in that was going to be something pedestrian we go to. How would that person walking up once way. Cross their street to do that. I mean, there's no way really for someone inside Parker. to access that without being in a car. in a multi-modal sense. Is there a plan for overcoming that? but that would support denying this application. question makes sense? Yes. today and then you're aware of the two crossing. points are made free, the end or the key first cross. And plus, right, currently, it's time. the town is so in a particular quarter plan. their conversations about changes to the upper road and mainstream intersection. the town is currently in the process of doing conceptual things. work for what that design may look like in the future. I can't tell you what that'll do to the difficulty and cross. but pedestrian advice of those connections you will see a study session coming up here. We'll talk about kind of the art. options for the intersection of the south, which will have more improvements. because it's a highway, you're right, because access point insurance is right in farther. [Laughter] Do you have any kind of a risk? response that you would like to

give to the idea that the... This particular site is perhaps not as conducive. to finding a use that word. be better than the take flight. We just want to comment. So, the applicant made in his comments. I want to give you an opportunity to respond to that, to every but that if you I mean, I'm not familiar with current market conditions and those even. with the property assembly quarters so I'm not sure what sort of buyers are looking at. recording the property, but the zoning that's in place allows for a variety of uses. So there are certainly multiple things that it could be if the market is there. I just don't know the current market conditions for what buyers don't keep worth. (audience laughing) The site is small and you can kind of see there's a mess that's half So quick trip created or we're going to do this. right in and right out of Parker Road, which is a new access to the properties. just sell the logs in our section. And then there's that gap. So you kind of see the and then there's another axis that goes up to quick drive. So, is there a way to do this? to possibly read about that, so you're not just left to 0.58 of an acre and think of what they said. And I think there's users out there that are going smaller. What that is, I don't know, but I think... with the read-of-element of this. You could probably start to see vertical. development going higher. I want to see the zoning allows up to 60 feet. You can park it, but there's ways to design the problem. and look at ways to use it in other ways. That you will maximize the value. It's not an attack. [BLANK_AUDIO]

This quick trip has a... Oh, I get this. some leases are written when they own the land, right? So they had right to say what kinds of things would going there. So, come on, Jim. I am not aware of this. I'll take up the next slide. I'll just be here and I can speak to there. They're like, so. No, no, no. We just want to wait to bother you, come up to that. Okay, any other questions for staff? I'm going to hear public comment. Okay. This is public meeting. public comment if you wish to speak to the matter before. just step to the podium and stage your name and have us for the record. We have three minutes to [BLANK_AUDIO] Good evening. I'm sure it's appreciate that. I'm here. real signature with quick report operation. I was actually responsible for the acquisition of the They're just north of the neighbor there. development for the overall learning part of the mission. to speak in favor of the support of take five. We've had our syrup and now for several months, three or four months. We're outside of the department. We've received very warm welcome. for both the city and the residents and we're excited to be part of the community. for videos to come and hopefully we're actually planning on making future investment in partners. So that's the reason that we We as quick for chose the locations because of the

auto-reporting to use. aspect of it. I would say probably 95% that person on our business is from automobile traffic. Of course, we welcome an extra traffic. We love an extra traffic, but just the mere fact of as of this Jim Pen pointed out here. This is a major thoroughfare serving partner. And so that's kind of what we, why we chose to do. this location, it's a sort of both our new needle and then also the retail world. [Laughter] Take five is we see them as a-- very compatible use ours. To touch on your question about, are there certain companies or de-districtions that we place on our property? there is. We obviously we don't want to sell to And we want to make sure we're having a a neighbor that is this, basically, can do something. to our business as well. Take five days in. Who could protect her to go on a 25-acre pit parcel? There's not many. You're looking at maybe a little cocky stand of your other doom. someone wanted to take pride. My will tell you that we do need research and coffee is a zuisel coffee. There's not a restaurant that we could really go there. is you can't put the parking there, there's not really another use that comes to my mind. Obviously I developed communities that we would be okay with putting their that could realistically be developed there. So, when take five approaches, us. We were happy to have it discussion with them in an and turn to a contract to solve a property to them. [clears throat] So, I mean, really I'm happy answer

to questions you have. We obviously have a very large investment as fast as into this property. the development, the utilities, the infrastructure, the all that's not necessarily So we really on behalf of which, we circuit out to approve this, it's too. I'm a big fan of you. (audience laughing) (door closing) (laughing) So you know for the comment we'll close the public comment. version of the meeting and further questions for staff. You put up the image of the master. plan that shows the master plan commercial, such a and how it intersects with that. of that one. I guess it's quarter or I don't want to see. [BLANK_AUDIO] Okay. [BLANK_AUDIO] So this is kind of in the bottom tail end of that, right? Red line wins. (laughing) This is the central sub-election. There's all the other, the other, the other, the other. And then the area directly south of that is the mainstream. Master Plan area correct. Okay, it is that substantial. I'm trying to recall the zoning. because that has a master zoning area correct now. Just changed all this. stuff so I got to get it straight in my brain again. [BLANK_AUDIO] So now, let's go to the slide just before this one. Thank you.

So the... The cemetery is included in the Central Commercial Zone in area. Um, this is what I'm seeing, yeah. [BLANK_AUDIO] - Yeah. - Yeah. - Shredding. That's kind of inconsistent with the master plan. And it's not something we're going to be able to change or move anytime soon. We're trying to monetize it though. [LAUGHTER] Okay. And then the purple is like desert but on your side. Then, okay. All right. I'm going to organize. Thank you. Okay, thank you. All right, we will close the bug-to-carrying pets. 740 and we've all opened up to Commissioner. discussion. All right. [INAUDIBLE] Should I start? [INAUDIBLE] Alright, I totally get what staff is saying here. that we want to redevelop and we would like to not have. that there that this is not something that's going to drop a desk treat up from Main Street. [BLANK_AUDIO] However, it's hard for me, the only time I've ever seen it. Anybody walk past that cemetery has been on Memorial Day. when we had crowds go there for services, you know, and Parker Corral's singing and the speeches by the folks and everything. [inaudible] [BLANK_AUDIO]

I don't know if it's because I don't have the vision that you all do. But I don't see that. I see that laying empty. and unused for a very long time if we deny this. application. And I'm not sure the dance. putting that kind of land into use as a better thing than having I mean, it just laid without any use of. [laughter] a newer constructed item, something that would drop people into that. area and then to put something else but if that's also The other thing is a D restriction so we can't have, so we're not going to have any coffee shops. That can't go in there. We can't put in a restaurant because they sell food. like quick trips and so on. So we're talking about would be a... an office building of some sort, which people don't walk to. that often a retail shop, I'm not sure. What kind of a retail shop we want to go into that space? So when I think about highest best use and I break it now, and as we're trying to change that overall corridor look, and we're putting in the fleet. We allow this death we go on with. If we don't deny it and it gets built we're going to be stuck with something there. that you know is going to be there for 20 30 years before it would be very ready for redeveloping again, possibly. [BLANK_AUDIO] So You guys make really good points, but I'm just not convinced. So, I'm interested to hear what my other fellow commissioners

say. about this, what their thoughts are. I agree with Rude Tans. Oh my gosh, it's like we're right there. Yeah on the edge just like what is that one thing that we need to hear because I agree with. with your family, you don't want to let us set big at like, you know, and they make really good points that it's It's really small and it's what's gonna go in there. It's a hard to say. position for Sherby because staff makes excellent points too. We have this vision for the to be a walkable town and I get it, you know, I want that too. But I, yeah, I'm looking for that link. Still to the bullet, but I don't. You know what, love you know what to do. So yeah, I would love to hear at the rest of you have to say. I think what's difficult here is that you have such on-and-motive uses already. that area to say that it's not a harmony with another audio use. I understand the desire to change the whole landscape along the corridor. have it be a more walkable, but as it stands today, and frequently for the New Year. with the quick quick trip there. I just don't envision like other something else being there and this is how hard and harmony with what currently exists now. I've got a great evening. and have all four of the partner portalers, you know, a quality. retail and all that good fun stuff is gonna draw people to more of a destiny destination experience, whether it's a gift shop or a coffee shop. players or whatever but given the size of that and the limitations. of what can be built there including the Covenants'. I think it's a you know you guys are part of the quick trip and you know and other So I think it does count on them. It's certainly there. But that's why they call this use my special.

or use this one special little tea parcel. You know, I'm not setting out what have to say. about process for a new media larger parcel that had more versatility. that same hoard work. But for that little parcel right next to Quitra. I think one thing. to make it so hard is our respect for them and keeps things staff and they's in staff. And it's all of you, right? You have forgotten more about it. this kind of stuff and we will ever know. So in tar for us when we know you are getting something to say. way where is the conflict with our own feelings coming from? I do agree though, if I can't finish my fellow commissioners here, that I just don't see. where the conflict is here other than just subjective of just preference at this point of, you know, what is it? I mean, I'm in favor of that, but there. Yeah. I agree with everything that was said. I also love water ability. I had one of their thought with the sight. We talked about economic engine. with quick trip. I think if people are going to the and a lot of people don't want to go sit in a waiting room for an hour for change if it is that quick. It could bring people there. It's about location and then they will go to quick trip and I can't tell you the number of times I blew by a gift shop driving down Parker robe and oh I missed the turn. I'm going to stop today. So someone stops at this location and sees. the gift shop it might also drive them to stop

next door. because they can plan ahead. So, I struggled with it. little bit like everybody else but can't say I'm on their there so go against it. I have been and had the good. for the last time. As long as I've been on planning. mission to try to redevelop. change park road. I don't know. don't have the background. You won't have in that, but it is. So we quite long while I go on. There's parts of that should be redeveloped. And if that road is kind of-- people's first picture are done and not to say that quicker and This oil chain place are not there. or far more practically than some of the other shafts that are up and down. But it's just like we're kicking the can down the road. say well next time and somebody said up here 20 30 years for next time. Yeah, none of us will be around, but we just keep We make a play and then we say, well, we're gonna and not do this time. But we'll give it next time. And I got a really I don't know with the restricted governments. So again, somebody that's more familiar with the economics. So I can see Elizabeth and... you may have the very clear delination of the master plan out bits. [BLANK_AUDIO]

I'm as the rest of my fellow commissioners are just struggling. I think I'm more on I'm sure that take five will look very nice. I don't doubt that one minute is the order. Just stick to your word and the town will hold you to it. It's just that. Because we'll get them next time. And that's that's the struggle. So We're at the point, we have to figure out which motion we're going to use. I'm trying to remember we have had one of these rubber. the staff has been very good about giving us many choices here. I'll get that. I just need to ask Bryce a point of clarification here because I have a remember the last time we did this. Do we have to do the recommended motion first, no. So it's not one you have to do that in the boat Just pick the remaining. Well, then I guess we have that. It kind of sounded to me and I'm just gonna summarize here if I'm wrong. I do have a question the ultimate Russian version. The first of the alternative Russian version. proposed has condition on. Could you explain to me what that condition is? So the condition is so That is the approval for the use by social review option. It is. always have a condition that the episomeetic consumption is a plan. What is this? And so, it's a very important thing. So what you're approving is what they're presenting to you tonight. So if you decided to make a recommendation for approval, you're approving what they're presenting to you. Not to go make drastic changes. the whole use methods for review changes from what you approve. So that's really what that

condition is. It's bad. space that reviews a pretty sub-doubt conceptual cycle. So that's different than the next one listed that just as a proof. - It has no conditions. I'm just gonna lie all guys. Okay. [BLANK_AUDIO] So if I am again, any more questions with him? Now I think I think we'll get this first. Okay. Let me summarize, I think. I think I heard from comments that people are leaning towards. the alternative motion to... and kick the can down road, at least as far as Tom Cancel. [LAUGHTER] If we make the motion in second it we can also have other Roberts rules we can have it. short period of discussion following that is correct. That's correct. Alright. of the Planning Commission recommend town council improve the tick-five oil change use you. Such you to the following conditions. They use by special review materials submitted. the Community Development Department. On August 25, 2025, do you specify special review materials? I will second that. I'll second. Maybe? It's half a second. All right. So I just- Okay. Now okay. - We'll go low too. - Yeah, we'll go low too. - Just we'll go, we'll not, yeah. - We'll get talked about right now. Yeah, there's a motion on the floor and we can discuss said motion. So one of the concerns about this motion is that it's kicking the can't down the road. terms of development as well. And to that end. I think what we need to recall is the incredible

progress we made on the development moving from the mountain man warehouse some down, wabble of rape and the difference. difficult to get in another space to having something that is a lot more accessible. And I think it's also going to be more accessible for all those light industrial uses that that we've got to the west of it. So they can bring in there, their vehicles. the place could bring their vehicles in and that sort of thing and the other thing that I like about this is that there's very little cross traffic that's going to interrupt or impede or put pedestrians or likes and dangers are using the sign for their multi-modal transportation. Just one of the reasons why I think it works. and it's new to build and it dresses it up and so it makes It will make the east side of the street look horrific and compares. And that's where we start to get movement on fixing that. So it is not the ideal solution, but this is what we're talking about. I have made the motion and I speak in favor of it. I'm just going to say I remember it was the laundry room. I've been around that long. (laughing) Alright, we had a moment. by both Eric and Brett, the plan. Commission recommend our Council Pro, I'll take my world change use, by special review. So, you're going to be a good one. to the following conditions. Number one, use my special VL material submitted to the community The program is on August 20, 2025. She'll be approved, used by a special reason. materials. And I will call a question.

Nick. Bye. Brett. Yes. And. - Hi. - Hi. - Do you remember them? - Hi. Eric, are Jenny? Yes. Chiris, no. Okay, that passes. 61. All right. [MUSIC PLAYING] Next item, any items from staff. I guess. Okay. So I'd like to congratulate the voters. for going to the first press and create your own. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a tough one. Yeah. We. We. [LAUGHTER] [BLANK_AUDIO] We're doing that. Also, we have our newest members. Here, cast them on the plate. [BLANK_AUDIO] That project we're working on that year will learn more about here soon. is the town's coordinating with Douglas County to spend the Douglas County. link on the main. Which now serves low and tree and island bridge. to expand that to the east-ear proportions of Parker. So we're gonna come on that, but looking at a spring start. And that's all right. What I am just on the question. I would like to have it on the record and publicly thank you. for being the driving force to get water out to meet with us and turn it out with Council as well. And we talked that it's one of the better studying. kind of presentations that we've seen in a long while. So thank you for kind of grabbing that bus. Well, I think

Bryce did. all the work all I did was dabbing. [laughter] [LAUGHTER] All right, I'd better ask you something. I'd really like to hear appreciate that. - All right, then we will... It's all in favor of the journey and say hi. All right. All those bows. Didn't hear one. Okay. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbe