Commissioners - Regular Meeting

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I take care of peace early this morning.

Okay, well, good morning to everybody. We will get started this morning with Commission review. Does anybody want to go first? Do you want me to go first?

I'll go first because I had just doctor's appointments, but we all heard the 9-11 ceremony, and I thought that was good. It's always good. And I hope it continues so we never forget. I actually worked with Bill Casper right out of high school. He was a native son from here. It's always a memory. And thank you to all our first responders, locally and everywhere. Yeah, I do have one question. Sorry. You wanted one of us to cover for you on Friday at 10 o'clock.

Yeah, it would be it'll be in the conference room here with Justin. Yeah, yeah, I'll be in at the I can do it.

I think I I can too. And actually, I was thinking that I wanted to because we were going to talk about some stuff with Fundamental health. Fundamental health.

Okay. This week is my week for a lot of meetings.

Next week is mine, but it's Friday at 10 here, right? Yes. Okay. Well, I attended the employee task force last Wednesday, and they just went over their schedule for training. And then they also talked about the surveys and how they're still collecting them and will continue to report the results to us. I think they said they felt like it's going well. And of course, the staff really likes the Friday afternoon off. EDC board meeting. I attended. We went over just the usual stuff. We did appoint another member. I said that the county still is in the process of taking applications. We're not in necessarily any hurry. We wanted to make sure we gathered some good good applicants and will be. Is it on? I couldn't find it on the website. Have we posted it? Yeah, it's on the first page. And, you know, yeah, because someone asked me, someone had asked me and on, yeah, on the first page, it's listed there. I don't know if it needs to be bigger or not. You know, some people when they.

I did it on my phone, so maybe I just couldn't see it.

But otherwise, you know, I think it went well. Sometimes you get some criticism about that. But, again, we're working to try to put together a puzzle that will work for everybody to include business people and get people on there that are positive and want to make sure that our community moves forward and not be stuck in a rut or whatever. We just want to move forward, but our plans are to get good people on there that are positive and want to move forward with our community and see good things happen. And then, again, I had the 9-1-1 wreath lane on Friday, which was a very nice event and two to celebrate. I appreciate all the responders and everything else that you rewatch all that stuff and talk to the grandkids. I guess they had it at middle school, and it's good that they show it in schools because, you know, like my grandkids, of course they've seen it. But, you know, it's just good for them to watch it and, you know, know. When I think Edison said why why did everything change you know you don't you know if you don't know what what was before you know that that was you know so that's a good question and some bit. That's really all I had.

Yeah, I attended the 911. And of course, you know, as a former officer, I was very much affected by that and I actually family there and that was in the city when that happened itself. And then one of my cousins is a pulmonologist, and he is actually one of the chief pulmonologists for the firefighters that were affected. So, yeah, it touched home for sure. I attended the military fairs meeting and talked about the veterans fair that we're going to have on the 7th of November at our municipal building. still working on things that they're going to be having there. So once it gets closer, we can get that list out. But one of the things I did want to talk to you too about was the American Defense Community Conference that is going to be the end of October. It's the October 26th. The 26th through the 28th in Tampa. in Tampa, Florida. I really feel that maybe not one of you two, but maybe one of our employees go to that because I think only Rob Wilson's going to go and then I think one person from the city, maybe two from the city are going to go in there. Basically, what they do is they break out in tons of sessions in their sessions that, you know, go over to health care, just anything that we have issues with, the IGSAs, you know, those kind of things. And so, you know, talking about the agreements that they have between the military installations and the defense communities and um what's it called the american defense community okay yeah and you've went to that before yes yes and and it's something that that somebody needs to go that's going to be on the commission or in the county to be able to continue to do those works um and so i was you know i i just wanted to see if you guys would be open that maybe talking to the Kaylin or Jeremy, you know, was the first one came. Yeah. Or maybe Troy, you know, those, you know, those three maybe would be good, you know, to to go to those because it is something that, you know, I would feel like, you know, they would get with the city and and Rob and then talk about, well, I'm going to go to this one and they're going to go to that one. And so they can cover all of that. And then Jana from Flint Hills Regional Council will be there as well. so I do think that that's something that we should look at and that if it is an employee that it come out of the our budget you know as far as to pay for that but don't we have it built in yeah it's already built in so so I don't know what you guys think of that but I do think that we need to have a county rep on that I think it's a great idea and Kaylin was the first one from a standpoint of

public works but also being a mother of a young child child care that sort of thing so but you got to find out who's flexible enough right right and it's six weeks away so anyway if you guys if you guys are okay with that I'll reach out to all three of them and see if they'd be interested

That's all I have.

Mr. Petty, how are you?

Fine.

How's everybody doing?

Peachy. It was a great 9-11 ceremony. It was very good.

Was that your birthday on that day?

The 10th.

Well, happy belated birthday.

Can anybody go to that conference?

I think so. I don't know.

I can find out on the website.

It's on the I'm looking at the website. Get with Rob Wilson. He'll know because I think he has to sign people up. I think he has to. So

Well, October, you know, is AUSA, too.

It is AUSA. And they only have three people from the city going to that, and none of us or nobody from the county is going.

I wasn't interested in attending again. I thought that I would prefer if it was this or that, and I would prefer, I think, I would get more benefit out of attending that, with that being said, but. Well, we've got a minute here, too. I'm going to go over. Mayor had asked me just to put a bug in everyone's ear. They're going after a grant called Block Grant for building local opportunity through a coordinated Kansas program. It's a $500,000 grant. and what it is it's pretty aggressive you've got a timeline i think of the end of september to get all your paperwork in and everything and then it will focus just on people are interested that will focus just on like a one block area and I think they're talking about 6th and 7th block up there where I believe that some people across from Magnolias in that area where the whatever the you know where the parking lot of bellows is you know the building I'm not sure what exactly it's called whatever one that's all torn down but anyway So and I guess the way that the county would be involved in it or be asked is just basically participation and being a partner, you know, in helping get done. Like she had mentioned that, you know, even for the county to put up some wayfinding signage, you know, to direct them out in the rural areas, Acorn and out there to Milford Lake and or, you know, you know, another area since, you know, if our public works is going to, These conferences with the city are trying to coordinate efforts with the city. I think this would be one of those areas that could be a conjoined effort between the two to get whatever needs to be done during a week or two week period that it all has to be done. I mean, it's pretty aggressive. Anyway, we could think about that a little bit. I think it'd be worth trying to, I mean, whatever we need to do to help them.

I don't know what they would need.

Well, and that's what we, you know, that's what I'd asked her is exactly what are you asking for from the county and, you know, to benefit the county and, you know, just again about signage maybe to direct them out to the lake or wherever. And or, you know, maybe if we could coordinate our efforts with public works, because, you know, we've got big machinery and everything, if that could help with them to expedite the process of getting things taken down. And that's something we have conversation with Jeremy about. Right.

So it's not a matching grant.

Yeah, you can.

Yes, it is a matching brand, but they can do stuff that we've already done. Yes, that we've already, that they've already put in there. So that's what she, cause she had called me this morning about it too.

Yeah. Atomic Annie and just all kinds of, yeah. Yeah. That's good.

Now, what did you say about, oh yeah. To draft them out to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And get with Rose. Maybe she, she could help.

Right. Good morning, Tiffany, are you? I'm here for Crystal.

Good morning, Tiffany Havener for Crystal Malchus from Human Resources. Just a couple of things is all we have today. I do have a department out of office notification. I also handed you a copy of the employee training schedule. I know you guys like to pop in and come and see the awards and things that's going to be held next Friday at the Senior Center. September 21st from 8 to 5. The longevity awards are going to be right after lunch at 12 40. So if you guys wanted to come for that I always like to have you guys shake their hands and stuff like that and just it's good to recognize our long-term employees.

Yeah, that is nice. They used to do it in the commission chambers. So the only opportunity otherwise that we would have is to attend that, which I don't have a problem with it.

it'd be nice to have that so that people can see you know because the only people right so people could still be recognized by the public and stuff yeah yeah um i was going to point out too at 10 15 in the morning um all of the department heads have put together a little i don't want to call it a blurb but they put together a speech about their departments and what they do trying to just um Let others, let all the employees know what each department does, I think is very important since we're all part of the same county. We should all know what is all entailed in our department. So each department head is going to speak too. So hopefully that'll be a good thing. We've never done anything like that before. And people can ask questions or just become aware of what each department does. That's good. But other than that, I think we're going to have a good day. We are going to have lunch, so definitely come. If you guys are going to come for the awards ceremony, definitely come earlier so you can grab lunch with us. Yeah, I think it'll be a good day. It's going to be kind of a, we're all going to, we're not having breakout sessions or anything this year. We're all going to be in the main area and we're all going to, Crystal has some games and stuff planned, so it ought to get people out of their comfort zone and get people to meet and learn about other people.

That's all I have.

OK, thank you. Have a good day.

Betsy, did you want to copy this? Thank you, but we had talked about yeah, not changing because of the training day changing it to Tuesday. That was in the yeah minutes to Tuesday, but. Changing that is going to cause a kink in my schedule because I'm attending the Lane Shift conference in Bentonville, Arkansas. The mayor and I got a grant with the help of Jana Williams. for scholarships, so they pay for everything for us to attend. So we are going to go and ride bicycles all week and find out about riding, you know, bike trails in the cities, how they're planting and implementing bike paths in your city and everything else. So I thought that I hope I don't fall off the bike, but I can't. It's called Lane Shift Academy, and people from all over the United States come to this. It's a big deal. So we're going to attend, and we were going to leave on Tuesday. I was going to go in April. I think I'd mentioned before that we had the opportunity. A couple slots came open, and we thought the weather might be better now instead of cooler and wet in April. So that's why we changed that. But that being said, then I will not be here on Tuesday.

So would we want to go back to the meeting on the 21st?

I still won't be there because we have to be there like at 830 on Tuesday. So like, you know, that's five hours, I think, there. So I think we're planning on leaving sometime during the day on Monday, but we're trying to shore up those because I'm with somebody else from Manhattan. That being said, we never did really say that. Did we feel like the evening meetings were productive enough that we're utilizing county staff after hours and stuff with no one necessarily coming? Do we still want to try doing that? We've done it for eight months. We want to continue through the end of the end of the year? What are your thoughts?

Well, it started out well, but then it kind of started out well. Well, at first, one or two. One or two.

Mr. Grewal? Yeah.

I don't know what hours would ever be good for everybody, you know. nature of the beast is you do all those things and it still doesn't reap a lot of interest. So my preference would be to just stay on our Monday morning meetings. I don't have a problem with that. Next week will be on Tuesday. Okay.

We can handle it.

Okay. They said you had to fill out a questionnaire. Have you ever ridden a bike and all these and it's like, well, I don't want to go into detail. Yeah, that's nice that they provide the bicycles and everything. They're electric bikes, so I'm a little leery, but I could ride a bike. Yes, Tammy, thank you.

Good morning, Commissioners. Tammy Robinson, Finance Director. I have the monthly reports, but the first thing that I wanted to present was the documents for the court. So you saw these when they did their presentations. And now that you've approved the budget, I'm under the assumption that there will be no adjustments to the actual court's budget. And if not, I just have the documents for you to go ahead and sign. So it's not that you need to approve it. I just need your signature by the chairman for that.

So that's fine.

So there's three of them. which is the regular budget and the district budget and then the port trustee budget.

So there'll be three places to sign and to as submitted, circle as submitted and then sign your name. Chase loves Legos.

He also made me that. He's doing 3D printing, too. We got him a 3D printing. Yeah, isn't that cute?

Thank you. As we move through, you'll see some of these types of documents that will come from the appropriation entities where you sign off saying that you're going to give them the amount you approved for next year in 27. So as they come in, I'll bring them into you to get back to them. So with that, I'm going to go ahead and start on May-August. financial statements. This first one in front of you on the screen is the treasurer's statement. It shows you that the total cash at the end of August was $37,081,177.48. And then we'll look at the comp of cash, and that is the cash inside CIC. Again, the $37,081,177.48. And then the last report on the cash is the fund status report. Again, that same amount as the ending cash. And this is the general ledger inside CIC. So you can see the cash is balanced for August. And then with that, we will look at the CIP cash flow analysis. As of the end of August, we were 66.67% into the year. You can see we had interest income of $7,412.90. That was transferred in there from the general checking. And on the left-hand side, bottom, you'll see the cash reconciliation box. It shows you what the unencumbered cash was at the beginning of the year, our revenue, our expenses. including what has been approved projects, the estimated cost for those. And then when we take out that reserved fund box, those caches, we have $2,647,645 to use towards additional new projects. We've spent 9.82% of our budget at this point in time. And then the second page is your details expenditure list and this shows you what has been completed as the ones marked in blue and clearer to the right hand side it does tell you if they came in over or under or exactly what was estimated or approved. Are there any questions on the the IP. No. Okay, the next one is a facility cash flow again 66.67% into the year revenue deposited was 10,648 that was some insurance money that came in on the courthouse growth and a little bit of a reimbursement for some services that were provided from Johnson controls. Then in expenditures we spent 74,052 dollars And when you follow the cash reconciliation box on the lower left-hand side, you can see that we have $407,322 left for remaining projects. We've spent almost 50% of our budget. And all the revenue that we expected to come in has come in. So anything else is you're going to look at reimbursements. So any questions on the facility fund? Okay, the next one is your sales tax. Again, 66.67% into the year. You can see in August, the county sales tax came in $1,568 less than we received in 2025 at this point in time. And also on the hospital dedicated tax, it was $1,198 short from what we received last year in August. So it was closer than the last month, but still a little bit under what we would have expected to see. Overall, for the year, we're still favorable, being 52,109 up from last year in the general fund and 24,140 up in the hospital tax. We've received 87.25% of that tax in the general fund and 71.83% in the hospital debt fund. Any questions on the sales tax? All right, this next one is your year-to-date expenditure activity. Again, 66.67% into the year. The ones in blue are the ones that have exceeded that percentage. So you can see the library and economic development are the two that we're looking at. We've been looking at this for the last several months, and we've noted that those are due to the timing of the expenditures going out based on distributions in and distributions that go out. Are there any questions on those two or any others? Towards the end of the year, they should balance out to the end. It should be. pretty much 100 well it will be 100 on the uh library and then economic development we expected to have around 7 000 left at the end of the year so good question um this is the second page there were no blue on this side are there any questions on any of the funds Okay, the next one is a general fund by department. Again, the one in blue are the ones that exceeded that 66.67%. And just wanted to give you a little bit of data on those. On the county clerk, she had 10,900 going out for the R&R letters, which pushed her above just a little bit. So that will again even out or we would expect it to even out. The district court In August, they had a large amount go for off panel costs. I don't know if they held off paying those for a little bit and just pushed them all through in one month or what, but there was 31,000 that was paid out to them and that's a much higher average than we normally see for that. And then GIS planning, they had the pictometry costs. And then also keep in mind, because they're not a whole lot over, but they also have three payrolls in January and July. Their work comp is a little bit higher. So there are some expenditures for them that they do earlier in the year.

And as we move through the year, again, we should see that even out.

Election, while they did have an election, they didn't have a lot of high overtime costs for election this time. But they do have annual support where they are paying for election equipment, support on their election equipment. And that was $37,000 in this month. So that, again, pushed them up a little higher than you would normally expect. But as we flow through the end of the year, we should be good.

What about the general election coming up November? Will that affect it?

I mean, it could. I mean, I can't really answer that until we get there. I would expect since it won't be a big one, it shouldn't be detrimental. Like I said, their overtime was not extremely high here on the primary. But it could push them over a little bit. You can see they're just over 1% above where you would expect to see. So with two payrolls having already had three pay periods go out of them, that's a large part of all of us, especially when you're top heavy on the payroll side. So any other questions? And then this is just by month. And so you can kind of see as you're going through here, like the general services appropriation transfer, you can see in January we had 3 million go out. And then our numbers dramatically decrease until we get to July. And then we had 2 million go out. And those are when you have your appropriations go out, you have your insurance go out, a lot of those costs that are due right at the first of the year. So you see a lot of those types of things happen in all of our departments. But as you're reviewing these, and if you see any that you're just wondering what it makes up, come by. We'll go through. We can look it up specifically, and I can let you know. Any questions? All right, then this last report is on the revenue. Again, 66.67% into the year. And I don't have too much to say about the revenue other than I'll just note that at this point in time, the general fund has received 89.08% of what we expected based on our budget. And a lot of that is due to when our distributions come through. And so when you see those, again, if you have any questions on any of the revenues, come by and I can look anything up that you want to know. And I think that's it until the CIP session. You should be good. Thank you, Tammy. Thank you.

You win today.

Motorcycle for sale.

before i leave i just want to mention that i have our legal counsel looking at a an agreement with gilmore and bell concerning our arbitrage so uh which i mean i knew we were going to have to have this calculation done um based on the interest that we received on the hospital bond so somebody needs to do that and to ensure that we're in compliance and we don't owe any money back to the IRS on that. So Betsy's just looking at the contract to make sure it's all in our best interest and then I intend to bring it back to you next week if she gives the approval for it.

Thank you. It didn't rain?

We got lots of rain.

Did you?

Yeah, we did. All weekend.

Some of them clear up over two inches. We didn't get half an inch here in town, but it's like in Marshall D. Marshall D. Two and a half inches. Well, that's great. Forty? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Probably dry at the lake.

So what did you do?

I pulled off a road and hit a little patch of mud. Nonetheless, the motorcycle changed. Up was down and down was up. No stopping left. felt okay stood everything up went on the council group by the time i got back i couldn't believe it yeah and it's twice the size of my other knees that's called an old age that was the last ride right yep

Jessica, are we on air?

I just was.

Are you guys expecting more people?

We are our staff.

Are you running ahead of schedule?

We're early. We're running early.

Nate's supposed to be here.

Oh, yeah. Well, the sheriff's supposed to be here in a minute.

Trish, do you know Abigail?

Yeah, you gotta do it.

She's going to. That must be old age. Oh, yeah, she works. Yeah.

So if I learned anything from hanging out here, it's all about people comparing their emotion. Yeah. I've never heard that language.

You will.

That's all you got.

I can do this.

That doesn't sound like a good idea.

I hit a little patch of mud on the motorcycle at like a mile an hour.

Sometimes curbs get you when all you're doing is baby stepping.

Amen. You know, years ago I had a buddy who went to park his bike by a curb, Ronnie. So for Christmas I bought him curb feelers.

Yeah.

And so we're all ready to go. And these are on my desk. And then sales, but it'd be the 350. So I have not made it back to service.

I apologize for that.

I didn't think it would be annihilated at that.

We lost our whole line last year.

But I will follow up on that.

You might be a rebuilding year or two. I think there's only four seniors that are not starters. When you're on time, you're late sheriff.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Nate Beckman, Gary County Sheriff. And I'm going to present two weeks specifics for our department from August 26 to September 8. In those two weeks, we averaged 109 inmates daily in our jail. We responded to 10 accidents. We assisted outside agencies 44 times. We had one battery slash assault, zero burglaries, 61 citations were issued during that two weeks. We served 172 civil papers, responding to one domestic incident. We did one drug investigation, four DUI investigations. We had zero motor vehicle thefts. We assisted with the prisoner transport seven times. We had zero sex offenses in that two-week time frame, zero shots fired. We had 274 traffic stops, zero weapon violations. We had 19 total arrests. for a total of 594 primary incidents and another additional 117 calls for service to add on top of that for a total of 711 calls for service. Any questions about the stats? And I would like to make a proposal In reference to what we discussed last week with the $70,000 being transferred, I would like to propose that the Sheriff's Office would like to propose to you guys for approval that we have $70,000 being transferred from our lake fund, which is fund 39, and transferred into the CIP fund for what we discussed last week. So I'd like for you guys to consider that as a new option. i can answer any questions if you have any questions for me i also brought over the contract that we have with the uh u.s army corps of engineers i don't know if that was ever emailed to you guys but there's a copy i'll approach and give that to you kathy if you'd like to see it i think uh the sheriff um is proposing that uh the department reimburse the cip

or a vehicle that they are going to use exclusively for Lake Patrol. The contract, if you'll look at page six, states that the contractor shall provide all personnel with equipment, tools, materials, vehicles, supervision, and other items and services necessary to perform law enforcement services at Milford Lake, Kansas. So we're controlling the Corps of Engineer grounds. and so he would like to dedicate a specific vehicle to that contract to ensure that that vehicle is just and we're not using other county funds because currently correct me if I'm wrong, Sheriff, each patrolman just uses their regular...

Currently, most of that money that's being, bringing in from the Corps of Engineers is being utilized in this fund for salaries and overtime. We haven't really pulled recently from that fund to establish the other part of that contract, which is the equipment part. We just utilize, we have all the deputies that do it, clear up to myself and... we just use our own vehicles there's no way to track the wear and tear there's no way to track that cost on the vehicles that cost is on the taxpayers so right now i would like to propose that you guys vote for if we can actually don't designate one of those CIP vehicles as a Lake Patrol vehicle and that would give me the better tracking on our side and it would not be where I turn on the taxpayers vehicles so just more than one person drive that vehicle we would have to seat that vehicle which means everyone that is utilizing that vehicle on the weekends would have to just move their stuff from the assigned vehicle to that vehicle so I can properly track

It would be whoever's working.

Pardon?

It would be whoever was working the lake that would drive it.

Usually we have two shifts, so once the first shift's done, the next shift would have to be hot seated. I can provide some statutes and AG opinions to support that, back that if you all would like. I can comment on that right now or I can email those to you. so if you did you said something about salaries or whatever do they still provide that or they still they still will provide that yes plus yes the contract wrote up as equipment salaries over time we haven't bought anything equipment wise for a long time so i think this would be appropriate to purchase or reimburse that cip vehicle and you like that sounds like a good idea as well

like that.

Whoever or however you came up with it, I know you've worked it as a collective group.

Yeah. Budget. I think this is the best idea that we came up with.

Yeah, I think it's good idea.

Dwayne, I think it's good. Do we need a motion? Yes, sir. I would make a motion that we Well, it helped me work this with a contract for engineers basically for like.

Second. Okay, it's been moved and seconded all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion carried.

Any other questions? Thank you guys.

I appreciate you looking into that, Nate, sometimes when you. rediscover new avenues to, you know, things to look at. So that's good.

That's exactly what happened. We kind of came together collectively as a county and this was the best avenue we came up with. Thank you guys. Thanks.

Thank you. See you soon.

Yeah, there was a couple of people, but if. That would be good. Like I said, I've seen some people out there, so they're planning on starting 1115.

So yes, I think that would be a good idea.

Jessica, I must have figured out what was wrong with that screen. The outlet was just unplugged or something. No, it stopped working.

Oh, so they had, I don't know, replaced it earlier. Well, good.

We want to request Jackie and Gary come over since we're starting just a little early. Sure. Send them a quick call or. Okay, let's hold it now for public works requests.

Tammy, where is somebody going to text them or something?

Oh, I don't have my phone. I just assumed you guys would with your phone. Sorry.

I will. I'll do Jackie's. Okay. I think Gary's out in the hallway. Oh, there's Jackie. Is Gary out in the hallway? I don't think so.

Can you text? Sorry Jack.

It's coming.

Do you want me to go ahead and start or? Yeah, go ahead. All right. So this is our third CIP work session. And with that, the documentation is on the screen where it shows you the background for where we started 2026 with our cash balance the revenues that we've received in the fund and what's been approved or spent in the fund so you can see the estimated 2026 cash for the end of the year would be just under 3.5 million then when you take out the reserves that we have What we have available for uncommitted projects, $2,647,645. So as you all know, there was no transfer that was budgeted from the general fund in 2026. And we have passed the money from the CIP to the city's EMS reserve. And that was done for both 25 and 26. So that was $7,500 for each of the two years. with this work session we have five uh six projects coming to you as requests we have more than that on our list however there are only six active ones they're asking for during that period what is available on the list as being requested is the full 895 959 And what is being requested is the register of the workstations, the backup generator with the emergency management and fire station. We have the sheriff's office north side limestone retaining wall repair and the extension office concrete step replacement, the 4H exterior painting project at the senior center, and the courthouse fire escape. handrails, sand and repaint, and metal soffit replacement. So with those items, if you have any specific questions, because you did get the documentation and support for them, Kaylin is here for public works, Gary's here for emergency management slash fire, and Jackie's here for the register of deeds. Specific questions.

Sure.

What's the timeline on some of these projects, like the senior center? When is that supposed to be?

If it gets approved, we can start as quickly as we can, and it will be with the weather. If it's conducive to be painted outside in the fall, wintertime, or if that would be the start, like in the spring of next year.

Yeah, I didn't realize it looked as bad as it did until I took a picture of it, and it's like that's pretty bad, so yeah.

Yeah. and also then uh jackie what was your timeline for wanting to get yours done where'd she go i'm back here i mean if it gets approved i think i went through central office they were the only ones that got a quote back to me so they've been pretty flexible they knew i'd gotten the quote back i think in july so they've been pretty flexible with me um So that would be up to you guys as far as timeline.

I read through your information, and basically you're going to take them out and leave it open, kind of like the clerk now?

So in part of the quote, and there is freestanding dividers. So instead of having four workstations that the cubicle system has right now, we would make three so everybody would have more room. And then there are room dividers that we would get two of them. So everybody would still kind of have their own space since we can't really do individual private offices. That way they can all kind of have their own space still because I know when I was working in the cubicle, I kind of liked to have my own. But it would still be open to the office and to the front counter.

When you said something about things were changing and, you know, with technology, what I know you guys lugged those darn books, those big books around, but what exactly changed with that? You're going to have to, I mean, you used to go in the back, didn't you? I know you bring them to work on.

So it used to be, I put in there, it's really how the work has been divided up. So it used to be only one person in the office really would primarily work in the books. that doesn't really work to just have one person. So we've just kind of more evenly dispersed the work, which means everybody's kind of trained on more of this stuff so that they're in the books more. And we've got all kinds of our scanner, our label printer, our phones, everything that has to be on the desk. So it leaves us with less desktop space to be able to bring those books and have to work in them.

Well, I like that idea, and I like You know, kind of changing that up a little bit as well. I think it sounded to me like that would work well for you, you know, on that type of doing that. You know best how to, what you need for your office. I don't have a problem with that either. And who was the other one? We talked about the pulse lighting.

I know that. On the backup generator that Gary presented, I'm assuming that we would actually cut that in half, and half would be fire, and half would be emergency management, since it would be at your fire station, since it would be utilizing.

I was thinking all under emergency management, because primarily it's for the deal. We've been going good without the use of a generator. If we need to open the doors, if we need to take half out of fire, I probably can do that, too. What exactly is it for the communication vehicle? It's gotta be hooked up and power has to be 24 hour day. So if we lose power up there, dispatch gets a call and so does Sharon saying hey, there's no power because of the way the computers are running in there even when it's not being used. This is something we inherited. Sheriff's Office dedicated generator for that. We don't there. We do not have a backup generator.

I think the sheriff's office did over at their substation. It wasn't just for the, what I'm asking, it didn't come with the generator.

The generator is outside to house the station. It's got a generator on board, but you've got to fire it up to run it.

Yeah, I know, but what did the sheriff's department use to keep it running? I don't know if they did or not.

Oh, okay.

That's what my question was, if they even had it.

The way I read that as well is that the doors and stuff would be hooked up to the generator as well well the fire to work so far in the worst case to risk.

So it makes sense that have would come out now. One at the other yeah yeah.

And no one noted, but on that courthouse project, it is important to note, especially for the public, that a historic heritage trust fund grant would be applied for as well as the possibility of tax credits that would come in and give us a portion of that project back. So we would have to pay for it up front, but then we would have the opportunity to potentially get money back on those.

And when was the last time, you know, I was kind of raising my eyebrows on that with the courthouse with the rust and stuff on the steps. We let it go that long that it's in that dire shape that it needs to get to that point where it needs to be done. You had pictures last time.

which is great to see. But yeah, it's been on the CAP list for I think a couple of years now and a couple of different projects. So we just thought it might be better if we could just combine them all to make kind of one big project and try to knock it out that way.

It has been on there for a while.

Subsequent years. Sign truck is $190,000. They don't have that one is an active when they're asking for. So they're not asking for the motor greater of 350,000 and right now, Jeremy is working with some entities, looking at the potential to lease those. And we've ran some numbers, and it looks pretty favorable. So when he's ready to come and talk about that, we will. So that one could come off and become a lease where we ask for the dollars annually from CIP, or he could potentially budget it in his public works budget. So we haven't quite settled on how we're going to come to recommend that yet.

We kind of waited on vehicles until we out the least thing first. Once we can get that going and then we'll look at the other babies we have on the list to see if they're still needed at this time or we restructure them to another year.

So the three public work equipment with the vehicles are not being asked for. And then the new lighting poles for the rodeo arena and softball field are also not being requested. And my understanding, which we haven't talked about it for a while, but because we have some of those funds available in that sports complex now for these kinds of projects is likely going to be something that we come and ask for some of those dollars to support that project.

And how far down the road would that be though? I mean, I what we met with them last year, and it sounded like they really would appreciate having him as soon as possible. So how far down the road would that be?

I think he had mentioned getting an updated quote. Because The one we have of what we're basing the project on right now I think was from a little while ago now. So I think getting an updated quote is probably the next step of what we need to do. And then that way we can come and ask for those dollars potentially out of the sports complex funds for the softball field. I think that still need to be . But we kind of broke those two up in case one fund was able to help .

want it out of the sports complex. No, that's something that he was looking at potentially coming to request some of those funds. I don't know. The softball field?

That's exactly what we did, the extra 1%. Only the extra 1% that we just did.

So not the other funds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People talking to me about the scoreboard, getting that more up to date or whatever. Is that on their list to do?

That was not, but I'm writing it down right now.

I heard this from parents.

Yeah, but I'm just saying that what on their planning part of it that we attended.

So you can see up there the parks and rec it says not requested and the public works not requested. So the rest of the projects are being requested at this time. We do have budget authority within the CIP fund. However, you do not have to have budget authority because it's not legally required to be budgeted. So as long as you have cash available, which we also have, the projects could all be approved. You could hold off on all of the projects. You could approve certain ones and hold off on others. So it's really at your discretion on which ones you would consider for approval today.

Could you say you're okay with all of them? Yeah, we've already talked about them, and I think that they're all certainly worthy of a pass due on a couple of them that need to be done. But, yeah, I don't have a problem with it either.

so then from what's up there the only one would be is that half of that emergency management slash fire would go to fire and have to and then the rest you approve in full knowing that potentially we could get some grant dollars and tax credits back on the courthouse project yep that'll be my motion yeah so you're looking at two hundred thousand nine hundred fifty nine dollars if those others aren't requested

Yeah, close to that.

All second.

Okay, it's been moved and seconded. All those in favor say aye. Okay, motion carried.

All right, thank you, Commission. I'll bring back the sheets next week and have the chairman sign off on them.

Did you see that? Well, I sent slides, but I also have my laptop, so I don't know. Yep, we can do that. Turn on the house.

Yes, please.

Yes, I do. More space. Yeah.

I'm sure it's going to let me do it. Switch slides.

It just moves them. Up and down. There you go.

You're so smart Trish.

All right. Good morning all. I think you know who I am, but just for the record, Ashley King and I am the interim president of operations for the chamber. Thank you for letting me come and speak today. I know that you all have spent hours and weeks and months trying to forecast our chamber and what that looks like. And really what we're presenting today is about strengthening the chamber and the partnerships we have with the city and the county. We'll be doing the same presentation to the city tomorrow. We're not proposing that everything be torn apart. It's really about rebuilding what we have, looking at how we can improve accountability, communications, and long-term sustainability within the Chamber. What we must... Everyone should understand who governs, who manages, who is responsible for carrying out the work. We have to have a strong city and county partnership. Because the EDC and MAC receive public funds, there should be meaningful city and county input and clearly defined expectations and regular reporting. Transparent financial management, budgets, shared costs, funding sources, division finances should be clearly tracked and reported. Defined roles and responsibilities, the board, the president, the division directors, advisory committees and support staff should each have clearly defined roles and responsibilities. As far as strategic planning and defined priorities, the Chamber in each division should operate from established priorities, goals, and plans. We have to have a sustainable staffing and funding model. We must be able to have the staffing capacity and financial support needed to carry out its responsibilities long term. We recognize that changes are needed, particularly around accountability, financial transparency, and roles in strategic planning. So currently, right now, this is how our organizational structure works. We actually have 17 board members. And we feel that that is a large amount of board members. And so it was that four MED advisory council members for MAC and for EDC sat on the board, and we feel that we should go down to two. The chamber governs the organization. The president of operations manages the organization as a whole, and each major division has focused goals that they have to do. The executive committee, which is the chair, the vice chair, the past chair, treasury, and secretary, they're an added layer of oversight between full board meetings. um its purpose is to manage daily operations but to support the board chair and president it provides us checks and balances and help review significant personal or organizational decisions that are needed and not sure that that has happened in the past and so we need to move forward with with doing that again our goal is to have clear roles, clear accountability, and the right level of oversight at each level of the organization. this will work differently we all know it needs to work differently and i'm not going to read each line for it but again we know that the chamber structure itself doesn't need to be dismantled we need to change how it was managed how decisions are made how finances are reported and how planning happens and how accountability is handled The right side of the slide shows what we're looking forward to going forward. We are addressing what needs to be changed and just not dismantling the organization itself. Our leadership management and accountability. Again, this really hasn't changed from what our current structure is that we have. Again, the board governs, the president manages the organization and staff and division directors are responsible for carrying out the work for each division. And you can see which each division is their goals and responsibilities. Our goal is to eliminate confusion about authority and accountability. So we have clear authority, defined accountability, and appropriate checks and balances in our system. City and county funding should come with accountability and meaningful involvement. We know that the city and county involvement with the EDC and MAC priorities and establishing expectations, reviewing progress and receiving regular financial and activity reports, we know that that had not been done in the past. We believe that has to be done and we want the city and the county to sit at the table with us to help define what those roles look like. At the same time, we need to maintain a clear line of organizational authority. The chamber board governs the chamber and the president manages chamber staff. We need the ringleader to manage the day-to-day operations. And they're not mutually exclusive. We can have a strong city and county accountability without creating conflict management structures. Meaningful input and accountability without competing with the organization's authority. The overall chamber strategic plan, we have not had a strategic plan for the chamber. And we know that that has been very consistent in our operations. And we want the county and the city to sit at the table and help us with that. We have already scheduled a strategic planning two day workshop. It's actually going to be November 18th and 19th. We've hired the chamber pros. They will come and spend a day with our staff interviewing our staff on what their roles and responsibilities are, what kind of support they need. They like to interview the staff without other leadership present just so that can be open communication. And then it's a full day on the 19th working with our board. board training, board responsibilities, what's that look like, and helps us come together with a strategic plan. And we're really excited about that. And I think it will really help all the divisions to closely get everything back together. So currently right now for the 2026, we are requesting that right now you guys are reimbursing for receipts items that we have. We're asking if we could go back to just receiving the quarterly funds like we have in the past. Tammy, Cindy. Sorry, Tammy. Cindy, our accountant, is still going back and trying to fix so many different things and try and get a clearer picture of what a budget looks. we in the past had divided everything between three divisions for payroll for copier paper for crazy things and we never had an operational budget and we feel that is really where things have kind of gone south and so it is taking lots of time for our accountant to divide things out make receipts for things that were just split between the divisions so hopefully moving forward um we can we in 2027 there's really no going back for 2026 to figure out we'll figure out where money how much money we have and where it went but it's going to be a little uh tricky so we're just moving forward with 2027 with each division having its own budget we have an operating budget um and of course that all depends on funding from um the city and the county. As far as a master agreement looks like, we don't feel that the master agreement was broken, but needed some tweaking on accountability. And that's our ask for you guys is that, give us a year, let's look at 2027 as a rebuilding year for us and let us show you that the chamber is making changes. and to demonstrate the results with transparency and accountability so that we can more effectively long-term have a great partnership. We have great staff that's willing to put in the work for it, but we feel our first step has to be having a president of operations to really be the key for growth for us. EDC, at this time, we do not plan on hiring an EDC director. We are working with a company that our board will be voting on later in the month that will help us do some site visits and things like that that will really benefit us. We've already had a lot of contact with them and it's already proving to be very beneficial and very cost effective. So that's all I have. I'm happy to answer any questions that you guys may have.

What kind of timeline are you want the city and the county to actually formalize a revised agreement and structure?

That's a really good question and I wish I had a magic wand to make that happen because as of right now December 31st there's nothing in place so there's no EDC funding coming there's no MAC funding coming so The Chamber's kind of like, what are our next steps? We have a lot on the line of our leases up in December. So we're trying to figure out Is the city and the county going to come to an agreement so that we can still function as a chamber? I wish it was yesterday that we came to an agreement on it. I think it's just getting everybody on the same page of what needs to happen. And I know that legal counsel, I believe, has been working on a master agreement. And so I'm hopeful that that could happen a lot sooner rather than later.

That's my understanding as well. And I think counselor has provided the city with a proposed. Is that right? And we haven't heard back. So I think, yeah, we need to continue to make sure that that gets done so that we, but otherwise with the funding, obviously costs won't be the same as what they were, but I understand the need that we need to continue some sort of funding so that you can get your operation, you know, be moving forward with some of those, but, you know, I understand a lot of this is still up in the air, but I think that we're moving forward. It's just taking tiny steps to get there. Ashley, I will say I certainly appreciate your diligence and patience and endurance to put this stuff together and as well as the board and appreciate everybody here because despite maybe some some outside opinions. I think that we do have a good group. I think we are wanting to get business people, obviously, on there to be able to be more beneficial. But I, again, continue efforts with you that are here to make this happen, because I think we all have the best intentions for the community. And at the end of the day, we just have to keep that in mind. I don't think any of you know. We just need to continue to move forward with it.

I would just ask that it's really hard for our staff right now to have some positivity because they don't know what's happening. And so, I mean, we can go ahead and say it's end of September. So I don't know what the timeframe looks on your guys' end. and or the city's end, we have to give a 30-day notice for rent if we're not continuing in January, which would be November. So I think there's a lot on the line that we have to figure out as an organization and would prefer not to wait until the 12th hour.

I think we need to do it as soon as possible. I know that there are some issues. The city I don't think believes there needs to be a president of operations, but I think the county does feel that there needs to be somebody over that is here all the time and not two days a week. I think that maybe, you know, I think we have sent a draft over that we approved as far as the commission to legal at the city. We have not heard. So I think that we need to possibly, Chairman, set up with the mayor a meeting for all of us to get together and just talk about it.

And do you think we could get a draft of that to send to our council, too? It's not approved.

We're just, it was something that, hey, this is what we were talking about. And we did talk about possibly having that, and I haven't talked to them about that. You can't have the president of operations do also finance if there's a 501 involved. So I didn't know that when we were talking about that. So that is something that we're going to have to talk about. And those are things that I think we need to have the discussion with. I know there are people who think that this was a broken system. And I honestly, I don't think it was if people were doing what they should be doing. And I blame the city and the county that we're not there. And I also feel that people were able to go rogue and be able to be do whatever they wanted and nobody questioned them. And that that is why those measurables and those checks and balances need to be in place. And people who are sitting in these seats, and the seats at the the the sit at the city need to be asking those questions and showing up for those meetings.

I agree. I don't think it's one entity's fault. I think it was all entities not dotting our T's and crossing our I's that got us to the position. I compare the chamber a lot to how our hospital was. We had a lot of educated people on the hospital board that were smart business people. We had the same thing on our chamber board. And until someone came in and said, this is not right, and blew some whistles, and we're finding out everything that has been done. Again, there just was not checks and balances in place. And we are committed to make that happen, because it has, we have to have accountability.

And so that's number one purpose point to that. Although we ask questions, We weren't getting the answers we wanted.

I mean, we had to threaten to not give them their July payment one because nobody was showing us the expenditures.

if i might that's one of the complications of having a president of operations also managed department right yes that's that's where that hub is essential yes no i agree and i think if you had somebody that had you know the one person and as we continue to talk with the city about that things like that because i will give the county was asking for stuff that the city wasn't and uh you know there were a lot of things but i think there again that's where that position is it's so important and it has to be separate from

the entities and the amount of things that we have come across that have been done is very disheartening. And I will go down with a fight to make sure that funds are fought for that were misused.

And I think having training for, and I mean this on any board that people sit on is, you know, you get appointed to a board and you have no idea what you're supposed to be looking at. You have no idea what the measurables are in place. You have no idea what what exactly we're supposed to be holding somebody accountable for. And because there were a lot of people on that chamber board who had no clue they were the governing board and that they were the ones that were supposed to be making these major incidents. But they were never taught that. And I mean, that was a lot with the hospital board as well.

And we recognize that and that's why we have contracted with the chamber pros. They go around and train chambers all across the United States on how the boards are supposed to be governed, what the board is responsible for, not responsible for. And so I'm very excited that we have already scheduled it and they're coming here to help train our board and do a strategic plan, which is what we need.

And I know there's been, you know, having the chamber, and we got an email this morning that they don't feel the chamber should be involved with the other organizations. Those departments complement each other so much. I mean, I think they should be together. There should be measurables in place to keep, you know, 501c3 stuff. away from the other tax stuff. But all three of these are very important to the growth and us thriving. And so I do feel that it is important to keep them together.

I do too. And we have had a ton of support from our neighboring communities that we have not had in the past. Pott County, Riley County, Saline County have all reached out and said, we're all the Flint Hills. How can we work together? And that has not happened for years. So the fact that they recognize that change is happening, I think it is only opening up more doors for us to work together and grow. And I agree that the entities feed off of each other. And if you pull one, it's just imbalanced.

It really has to be.

Just for clarification, you talked about how currently you guys work contracting for EDC services and you want to hire a director. Is that something that the chamber sees long term? Is having a contractor?

So we feel that probably for the next six months probably should happen. Maybe a year. We don't know. We feel that we have to do something now. There are projects that are in the works that we didn't know about that leads were being sent to us, but our staff was not allowed to follow up on those leads. And so that company has been working with Nikki on getting some of the things figured out for those leads. So it is important that we get them contracted now, it may be a year long process that we do that. But we feel we need to get them on board. And we need to get a president of operations, get our strategic plan, and then the president of operations can be the one that helps hire an EDC director.

Okay, so you would like that director?

Yes, yes, absolutely. Yes, that is the end goal.

My other and this is this something that I want to discuss, I feel like people are very confused always because they always say, well, the chamber and then they get chamber and chamber membership. And so I feel like that the chamber can still be in charge and we should still call that the chamber because that makes a lot of sense. But maybe chamber med should be we should change the name, which is not really a structural thing, but we could do the Junction City Business Alliance or the Junction City Business Organization because that's the only one that kind of carries over those titles. And I feel like there's a confusing overlap for the public. I agree with you on that.

We had that in our discussions earlier.

And I mean, since it's going to be an overall, it's going to be under the chamber, I think that you guys would probably be best in naming it.

Okay.

Thank you. I did have a question, so a couple things. Where are we, or are you, Liberty, to tell us where are we with reconciling a lot of this crap?

So we were hopeful that we would have something by now. But when we uncover one mess, it opens up six more messes. Just for instance, so there are like Manhattan Chamber of Commerce has seven categories for their budget. Seven. Our chamber is now down to 165. That is how many categories we're placing budget items in. and reallocating and moving things. So our accountant is having to go through each one of those, open up that worm, figure out what all other worms are under that. So it has been, and that is down to what it was. What'd she say it was? Two something, 200 and something categories that they were reallocating funds to. And so that's why it's really hard for us to give an exact dollar amount where stuff went. They have also shredded all receipts from the, they have only kept documents from three years forward. And so there is nothing. In addition to that, Nikki has not, sent us any of her documents that she should have. We've sent three demand letters. So that will be followed up as well with our attorney. So we're waiting to figure out what we can dollar amount that has been misused, misappropriated. And then that will be one encompass pursuit, I guess you could say was legal. So I'm hopeful another 30 days, we'll know. We're working on budgets for 2027 now, trying to. But our directors were tasked to try and figure out, let's take more down. We should be 10 line items, not 165. So it's a very tedious process.

I would like to have that by the 1st of November. I don't know what your feelings are.

It's going to be as long as it's going to take, but they're working. She's working on it. And then I think one of the issues is she's having to do all these invoices for the city and the county because we're not paying her, you know, so that's taking up more time. So, I mean, I think that there are people in place now that are truly looking at every dime of where this is going. I don't have a problem with just going ahead and giving them their allotment. um just so they're not having to have that extra step as long as there are people in place that are looking at those expenditures which we i i know on the mac budget i will be and you guys are young and she can do that i mean so she can't also another caveat to it uh our previous finance director did nothing online it was the old computer system

which is not compatible with online QuickBooks. And so it has, it's so outdated. And I wish it would say it was a simple fix. But we're moving forward in 2027 with clear, concise, all things should be allocated, and where that money should go. So I'm hopeful within 30 days, you'll have a budget for 2027. And like I said, she's not going back to 2026 to try and fix anything that was done. We're just trying to maintain where we're at. We haven't even filed taxes for 2025 yet. And so that was never done. So she's working on that. There's employee tax that wasn't paid that she has to go back and amend tax returns. There's a lot to uncover. And thankfully, she knows what she's doing.

Well, I agree. I think that we should not forego the payment because you do have to continue business and and and do that you know whatever our lot meant was it doesn't necessarily have to be you know for future purposes after this is all washed out I can't imagine that you know the same amount would be needed as as has been in the past so I think that could be re looked at that yeah I think that we need to give you the funding that has been put in place.

One more thing, and this comes from the public, and I agree. Moving forward, I know it says transparency in there. Any chance we can have enough packets for the public when they come to our meetings so they see other than executive session stuff? Just the financials. I mean, now that we're moving forward, you know. And they should be.

Well, and it should be because when you're a 501c3, all of that has to be public knowledge, which was not done previously. So, yes.

Well, thank you.

Yeah, I had that in my notes.

And I just want to thank Ashley, you know, that, you know, Nikki and Stephanie and Rob and Kelly have really, you know, I know it's been very, there's so much uncertainty and negativity and I appreciate all of your hard work for everything that you guys have done as well.

Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Not been an easy task on them for sure.

So where are we? I believe that we need to probably have a joint meeting with the city so we can get this so that we can move forward. Because as I said, I know the councilor has sent information to the city attorney. So maybe we could ramp that up a little bit so we can, our part in it because all the attorneys I think have agreed and what I've heard throughout is there's not anything wrong with the structure. It's just that the other things that need to be fixed are being done, but we can or need to get the structure in place.

Sure. And like I said, we're willing for it to be a short-term master agreement. If it's 12 months, 18 months, to give this a go and see the accountability and the measurables, we're okay with that because we're confident that we'll make that happen. But if that is an easier pill to swallow to make it a shorter term, I wouldn't suggest less than 12 months, but we're absolutely willing to do that.

The only downside, I mean, I agree with that, but for president of operations, they're going to want to have some clarity on whether

know how long sure yeah well and that and that is the question too but also most not-for-profits are a year-to-year because it's based on funding so you know that they'll have to think along those terms of you're gonna have to prove that your position is warranted by your outcomes And so I don't think that is a determinant from someone to apply. Most people in a not-for-profit position understand that funding is a year-to-year base, which it is for our MAC and EDC. You know, they're signing on to a year in hopes that funding will continue for the next year.

Well, and the other thing I've brought up several times is we've never had evaluations on anybody. And I think that's very critical. Very critical.

And that's why, again, the president of operations is critical to keep track of whose terms are up on the board. I mean, we had EDC board terms that were done and nobody had followed up on that. And so that's just another key for a president of operations to take care of those items and keep track of.

Well, it's our consensus to go ahead and pay them the rest of their money.

Yes, I think so. And also, I think after the city has their meeting tomorrow, then maybe, you know, I'll reach out to them to see, you know, whether we can get a joint meeting together to discuss some of this stuff as we are today. Yeah.

I think we need to have an actual motion.

we're going to release the rest of those funds because you had a motion to hold them okay so moved it's been moved and seconded um all those in favor say aye thank you very much thank you thanks everybody for coming we appreciate it

I mean, yeah, whatever this stuff anyway. Send me an email and would like letter of support for a grant that's putting in for for pathways that they've gotten. So I told her we could do lunch.

And public works had asked about that as well. And who writes those letters? She sent me.

Oh, sometimes I do, but they had already had one.

Sometimes I'll write them.

Once I had, they just presented a letter and we signed it. So I needed to ask Kaylin about it.

Sometimes they'll give, like, sample letters that they like.

Do you want to make a motion for this?

Make a motion that we do that support letter.

Second.

It's been moved and seconded. Did you hear that, Jessica?

Thanks.

Approve a letter of support for Live Well

I know it's a lot more work for everybody and I do think they have stuff in place. We should have come in.

Sorry, well, they just asked today so. I was painting the butt, but it was needed for awhile.

Anyway, just so I mean you'll see. No, I knew you guys were and I knew it was causing a lot of work for everybody. Jordan. Yeah, that's all. Keep your head. Of course. Thanks, Ashley.

Thank you guys for the CIP.

Thank you. Thank you for anything else on that property.

Yeah, I hope we get to moving on with this.

Anybody else?

Because we don't have one application to success.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I've told Terry to direct Craig.

to the website where he can get I sent it to just send it to him oh okay because I could when I looked on my phone I didn't see it but then when I got on the computer I could see it so I sent it to him this morning I sent it to DE, but apparently he's not.

Nobody's really chomping at the bit.

um um

Let me go high school. Yeah. I did hear that, but I didn't know what happened at the high school. I was excited about those things. My heart goes out to all the high school graduate responders.

Those ATVs are just, you know. I said the same thing.

I know, I know. I just want to see your health.

Wonderful.

Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

I don't. I don't.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got some good pictures of you all at the service. I haven't posted by this afternoon.

Sometimes the subject's not so good. I'm not very photogenic. Sure you are. As many times as I've been through,

What do you like?

Yeah, they did a good job. I always do a good job. I just feel like I raised a little assistant chief Odell. I mean,

He keeps in school. He's probably 40. He's older now. He's not 40.

That way you'll know that. Kid to me.

Hey, kid.

Just help me. No, I was wondering if I could set one up.

Yeah. Yeah.

You want to pray? Yes. I'll show you real quick. more work so if you just go to the accounting when you go to agenda minutes and then it'll show the agenda I have to see it to understand it. That's me. I'm an artist, that's why. You can actually go back to any of them that are out there. How are you doing? How are you holding up over there? Just getting up movement helps.

Yeah, that's better. I've got my little blanket here.

No.

Should have taken two off.

What I need is ice. Because I try and ice it often.

Those are supposed to be on 24-7?

Supposed to be. Oh, Lordy. That's what's going to help your swelling, so you have to keep down.

Yeah, I mean, that's what they say.

Does everybody have to wear that?

Well, they had me wear on both legs.

I never heard Teresa say that she had to wear the compression hose.

Well, it's supposed to keep your blood clots down and help with swelling.

Yeah.

Because I wore on both legs for the first two weeks. Theoretically. I can get rid of this Wednesday.

When do you go back to the dark? That is just swollen.

October or something.

I'm glad I don't have any problems yet. Knock on wood.

You know, a lot of people say, oh, I would never have that again. Once you know what you're getting into, go through it.

It's probably bad for while you're going through it, but once you get everything taken care of, you're going to be like, oh, man, how did I live without that? Exactly.

I can walk straight.

Yeah.

I know somebody that they had, of course, they were in exceptionally good health, but he had both knees done at once.

My brother did, too. I said, how in the heck did you do that?

I think Mark Whaley had that. Yeah. He was in good shape.

No.

Might as well get it done. You only have one rehab, so. Yeah.

So I got, I would get lab work done, get it done here, and then, yeah. Six hours, they'd be charged.

Are you going down here to Gary Rehab?

No, I'm going to Memphis. Well, Miles Christensen is a nephew of my brother's, so it's kind of family.

yeah the hour or whatever it takes to do that you get by and you get a visit with everybody i would get everybody you'd like me to come down there because i always talk to everybody while they did their workout i need to get back down there they really put you through the ground though when you do it they have to

But when I leave, I'm like, okay, I'm limbered up a little more. And of course, they give you exercises to do at home.

And? I'm kind of worried about this lane shift thing.

I hope it's not like a camp thing.

I think they adjusted.

Better not be in.

How long is it? It's from Tuesday to Thursday.

Better put a helmet on. Yeah, everything's included.

I wear my helmet. I'm not a camper necessarily. What do you call it?

A community type thing where there's a few places left that were single. I told Terry, I said that I'm not into bumping into somebody else. I always prefer my own room. Privacy. Privacy.

Ashley did a good job.

She did. I'm very proud of her.

That was a lot bigger of a board 13. Yeah, I noticed that. What do you guys think about that?

No, she's not. That's not what she's projecting. That was what they have.

They have 17. Oh, they're 13.

Oh, and they wanted to put it in 13. Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, there's this 13 at, because they got two at large on there. Two mid, two MAC, two EDC.

I thought that was a little big.

Why isn't it Military Affairs? Why is it called, it's called MAC, but Military. Military Affairs Council. They've got here Military Affairs, Military Advisory Council Committee.

They changed it.

Yeah.

It's still MAC.

And I'd like that you brought that up about the chamber thing too, because that to me is.

Yeah, it is confusing when they say I'm on the chamber board, but you're not on the chamber board, you're on the med board.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, the simpler all this stuff is, the easier you don't bump into someone. The more lines that you add and the more... people you have underneath and all that I think I mean you've got it with this it makes sense to do this and everything else but gosh to it just I think the easier the better it is but I think so did we ever discuss how many her mac board and there's she's got that on that one sheet did you see there he was talking about ourselves yeah whether we ever discussed how many

I think we were at five and seven.

I think we were at seven on the overall. Overall at five.

And I'm not sure how many. I think the city had more, but I don't think they were quite at 13.

So we would just do maybe one. One from Mac, one from Ed, one from EDC, one from the school. I think having two people from the city and two people from the county should be on there.

They've got on there two up there on top. one commissioner and one employee I don't know if that I mean now that's the way that it is leaving Tammy on there because I felt like it was important to leave her on until all this her finance said yes for sure yeah I mean and not that she wouldn't still be be good on there but right she would she's been on the one we had after we appointed her and she did a very good job yes yeah

From a financial standpoint. Now the 2 at large.

Yeah, that's what I've got.

However.

I put the question mark on that.

6.

If you left 2 at large, 2 city, 2 county, that would be 10. That would be an even number.

But if you just did one, two.

You just do one from each and one at large. You have two city and two county.

Yeah, because I think you need more representation from the city and the county.

Yeah, we're providing the majority of the funding. And it needs to be not city representatives. It needs to be city employees or county employees. You know, like one commissioner, one employee.

Well, I hear people say too that the city and county kind of need to stay away from that, you know, and just be, you know, just on the, just as a...

They don't know what's going on, not being in the loop.

I think they need to, because of the funding that we're bringing them, I think that that needs to be... We need to have more oversight and input on what, you know, I think the city and the county need to have more input over what kind of businesses we're chasing.

Yeah.

And not leave it up to who it's going to benefit on the board.

You want to do minutes? We ain't going to have nobody talk.

Sure. Is there a maybe you all look to get the minute I get her right.

The changes I can reprint on the TV.

Is there a motion to prove the minutes for September 8th. It's so much center has been moved and seconded to approve the minutes for September 8th all those in favor. It's crystals back in the mind make sense, yes.

Did Crystal, is Crystal back yet?

I think I was. She'll be here for this session.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Is HR going to be in this one?

If she's here, she's back.

Oh, I mean, yeah, never mind. My brain isn't.

If not, this is going to be in here for a little bit.

In what, you guys? I'm not sure what, oh, is the, okay.

Oh, you're doing something.

paperwork and stuff don't yeah i i'm still not gonna let my desk get like keith's but there's just piles going down so i started working at home oh lord start at home start here it looks just at home and i've narrowed it down to the biggest stack well now that you're here and laid up, you've got the opportunity. You've got the opportunity to.

We're not waiting for her. So are you going to the bathroom? Oh, I'd rather start because I know Keith's got to go to his thing. Is that all right? We go now?

Yeah.

Go ahead and do it.

Yeah, I'll go ahead and do an executive session for non-elected personnel with legal and appraiser for 15 minutes starting out.