Airport Economic Development Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

'20 '25. I'm calling to order the monthly meeting of the Erie Airport Economic Development Advisory Board.

Roll call.

Michael Bowden. Here. Evan Cain. Here. Emma Dowling. Here. Paul Hefton is here. Drew is not gonna make it. Lyle. Present. Jennifer. Here. Okay. Great. Obviously, we have a

quorum. Pledge of allegiance.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God and the soul with liberty and justice for all. Everybody's got a copy of the agenda?

Had a chance to look at it? Comments, questions? Pretty standard stuff. Motion to approve. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Can't vote.

Trying to staying.

Yeah. Okay.

Right on. Previous minutes, you're printing those out? Working on printing those out. Okay. We'll pause on that, and we'll come back to it because we wanna make sure we get those approved.

For Oh, fine. Finally. Alright. It's not

Public comment, we have one individual here. If you wanna say anything, you get three minutes. You can do whatever you wanna say. Right now? Yeah.

That's that's where we're at. Okay. Yeah.

I'm just

here at John Kipalik. I I live in Anthem, Rancho. I live in York, Maine, Erie. And I am very much interested in in investing in some hang building some hangers at the airport there, not only because I like to put my own airplane there, but as an investment. My capital would come from some property I have in North Carolina where I used to live.

It's all on the beach, and every year I sweat on hurricane season. I've dealt with about seven eight hurricanes so far. It's oceanfront property. And I would be you know, my thought would be I I'm looking for a way a good excuse with a good purpose to divest from myself from some of that property and put it closer to home, which is, like I said, I live in Anthem Ranch across the street from the airport there. So and hence, so I'm just here on a fact finding mission and kinda figure out the possibility, practicality of this idea of mine.

You and I talked about it briefly out front. It's fine. This gentleman here in the black is the airport manager. This is Jason. Hey, Jason. We have two people also on what we but we formed the airports hangar committee. This gentleman here. And the guy usually sits here, Andrew McClain.

But I would Take off. I would

bump into them at some point in

time if you wanna hang

out for the entire meeting. You're certainly welcome.

Okay. Otherwise, get Jason, who's the airport manager, contact information.

Yeah. And we've we've spoken. It's been a while. Good.

K. I would do that first and foremost. Yeah. Alright. Sounds good. Good. Thanks for coming.

We're still waiting to print. It yeah. I had to type on that person. Did you send that out

to everybody, the minutes? Yes. I did. In the email. Yes. Okay.

But has everybody looked at? Yes. Have not. You said it three hours ago, dude.

That's alright.

I got your email, but there's no attachment.

Really? Keep working on that.

Cool. You get it? I've got June twenty five minutes.

Yeah. June.

Okay. We'll keep going while you guys are working on that. Just let me know when you're ready, and we'll do it. Officer reports, the only thing I have to report is a conversation that I had with the mayor. First and foremost, is that thing on the eighth still is it the fifth that's still going on the study session? The yes. Yeah. K. They're gonna have a study session on the fifth. Amongst the topics is the airport. I intend on going Emmett is planning on going

I'm done.

Oh, you're not able

to change your mind? No. We've got something wrong. Okay.

Okay. It's August 5. August 5. At that's starting at six. We start at six, but there's two items on there. I don't know if anything this is from the advanced agenda. I don't know if anything else be added, but there's a discussion on flag and street decor policy and airports list second, so I might have to be second on the agenda, so maybe it'd start around seven.

I

can

Actually,

it's a public Actually, actually, anybody can go, I would encourage anybody on the airport board to go. And

the format that we have for the study sessions, we do the round table, we certainly I think I will double check, but I think any advisory board members would probably be welcome at the table to have discussion because we we do have

It's kinda ad hoc and the and the the council members would solicit comments if they wanted one from the board. Yeah. But the board is not on the agenda per se in terms of That's

just the view. Yeah. Just yeah.

To be there available to ask questions. I mean, to answer questions, they will. Yeah. Yeah. I will be there.

Jason, are you able to be there?

Okay. Yep. So yep.

I'll give you three minutes.

Whatever it could be, so I'll take it.

Alright. What's the what's the intent of the study session?

What I mean, this part of it.

Just I I think it's a general discussion of the airport. There's going to be probably some preamble discussion about the ordinance change and the proposed ordinance change. And really, it can be open ended. I mean, a lot of the, you know, hanger discussions can certainly come up with that. I don't think there's any limitation as to what we talk about. But yeah. Because no decisions can be made.

Yep. Yeah. Similar to our study session that we

had early on. So it's good.

And one more thing is there are four people new on the council, so it's also getting up to speed on what is Yep.

Airport and Of course. Parking. Of course. Among other subjects.

So study says sorry?

That's not the only subject of the study session or is it No. Correct.

Yeah. There's two there's two things on there now. I don't know if there's gonna be any more added or whatnot, but one thing I'll make sure is that the airport stays where it is, anything new added should go below. Yeah. So yeah. Because we have had things where, you know, it's gotten pretty late and we're like, oh, we'll push that. People are gonna show up. I wanna make sure that, you know, this is already on there so we don't get bumped or anything. Yep. So it starts at six, but I have a feeling it's going to be the second item in the agenda.

So probably, I'm guessing seven, right? It says right now, and these are just rough estimates, but it shows forty five minutes, to to the flag and street decor discussion. So maybe 07:45, but we tend to run late with discussions. So, yeah, I would say, yeah, you show up between 06:30 and 07:00 is fine. Yeah. So And it's here Here. In the council chambers. In the council chambers. Yeah. But we're not behind the desk. We're up at the we we have a round table.

Just like this? Yeah. The setup is but as a square.

Yep. Yeah. Okay. Guess it's

just guess it's not round. Yeah.

Normally, your seats around the outside. Yeah. Yeah. Just observe for the most part. Yep. Yeah. Great.

Good. It's on my calendar.

Other conversation I had with the mayor, pretty much kinda talking about it, is I wish he was here. Somebody could bring up a map. So the mayor has an idea that he wants to extend County Line Road almost straight south from where it is now before it gets on to Coal Creek Boulevard. You have you have the ability to pull up

an arterial map of the airport.

Sure. Okay. Thank you for this.

And I don't know why the first page eight is looked fine on the word doctor therapy. So

Over page.

The idea that the mayor has is to bring a road, extend that road directly south between the solar farm and Schofield Hangers. I say Schofield Hangers, so I know everybody here knows what I'm referring to. Turns out there's a strip of land right in between there that the town owns. And it is, in fact, from what the mayor told me, an old road. Yeah.

Used to be a road. It's not a road anymore, but it still technically could be a road. Couple meetings ago, maybe two weeks ago, the council voted on a, I'm gonna say, $120,000 feasibility study to hire a consultant to evaluate, investigate, come back to the council on the visibility of doing that. I know he's talked to David Nassar about it. David Nassar supports the idea, knows the developer that it would affect. I support the idea. I think it's a great idea, quite frankly. The question is, how do you pay for it? Which is always the question. Yeah.

The other question is, what's it gonna do to our plans that we've had for the last four years regarding your troops on the North Side?

So that's the thought is that this would at least when I talked to mayor that that this would somehow tie into that, that this would be part of that, but that there's a caveat cause it's again, and I'm a little nebulous on like, where it's actually cutting through. I mean, I kind of have a general idea, but I'm trying to remember back to our maps that that we had before. Right. Because anything that's to the airport, we need to ensure that, like, I think his vision of this was that this would divert people who might try to cut through Vista Parkway to avoid the new detour going through Parkdale. Cause if you're going east on 7, I kind of get the idea.

It's like people that have to go west to then go back east that they're probably going to cut through Vista Parkway. We've had some issues on there with people speeding through a lot of complaints. So the thought was, is there an intermediary where we can relieve some of that? But the stipulation is that this, like, we don't want this to be a major thoroughfare. This should be somewhat of a diversion, but the the main entrance from 7 into Erie is is Coal Creek Boulevard, which becomes, County Line Road.

So so that tying back to that, I think there's an opportunity to sort of kill two bore birds with one stone, but I I don't know. Again, part of this ties into what they're gonna look at it, the feasibility study. And so

Is it this road or this one?

That Hey. Don't don't do that if you don't. Okay.

Yeah. So

I don't wanna be discussing things on your computer at a public meeting Okay. That everybody can't see.

So So we can pull up here. Yep.

It's important to Okay. Put something on someone else's computer that the public cannot see. The

the issue where I'm saying I can see this, like, being able to kill two birds with one stone because there is potential there is maybe potential grant revenue we could get for doing this because one of the issues that we have with, like fire protection and, like, the the Bonanza Station on the South being able to, like, access anything,

you

know, being able to have full access and do to anything on maybe the the southwest quadrant of of if you're thinking of County Line Road that alleviate some of that because right now, a lot of times, the North Bonanza Station will have to come down and go around. There's there's potential

Right. But this road doesn't change that. Not really. And the as he explained it to me, one thing it doesn't do or it would essentially replace Airport Drive to some extent as it is it was described to me that when you come in Airport Drive, you come off a Highway 7, it curves to the right, go down, it curves to the left. That curve to the right and that entrance off of Highway 7 that exists right now would go away.

The entrance will be shifted west to this road, and then Airport Road Drive would as it as you're coming out of the airport and you're driving and turning right, there's go Schofield Hangers and there's the left hand current to get out this way. It would go straight west, and it would hit this new proposed road, and then all of that upper land that Dave has, that part of that road would disappear.

Okay. That I guess that was I'd maybe I'm not That's that's how I understood it as it was explained. Okay. Granted, my thought was

It's all like time sky, wishful thinking, Okay. Okay. Earliest stage. I think a lot of this As my concern is that we end up losing any interest in doing a new entrance on the North Side because of this road that's now the new greatest latest plan. That is my biggest concern because

Yeah. That was not my understanding that this would not supplant. So I need to I probably have to get back and

You need to have another conversation.

Because I already had this conversation with them before the one that you had, because when we when this came up with David's application and whatever that was, February. Yeah, right. Yeah. There was the same thing, and I think there is an issue there may be an issue from CDOT if they wanna move that west because where Coal Creek Boulevard is now, there's there there are Yeah. There are regulations on how far those can be apart. So That's what's kept

yes. That's what's kept a stoplight currently or in the past. Yeah. We're driving was we're kinda used to tie in. Yeah. That was too close. So if you tie another road further to the west, you know, you're gonna be too close to the Parkfield entrance.

Yeah. Yeah. So I thought what was being proposed was coming there, it would curve back to go where the existing airport entrance is. So

Maybe maybe not. I'm sure the feasibility study of the consultants will flush that out based on everything that they're gonna look at. I'm just part of chair's report to make sure you all understand this is in the works. And I can't speak for any of you, but I would personally support the road as long as we didn't jeopardize what we've been working on for the last five years, which was an entrance coming in to the airport to supplant the south entrance. Because I still think an entrance to the airport from north is the greatest idea you could probably do for the airport.

Granted, it's got a hefty price tag. But there's the industrial part where I live and David has his, you know, development. I support everything that he's doing for the most part, but I think for the future planes of the airport, a public entrance from the North, not having that gate, not having the taxiway that everybody crosses, I still think that is the best thing for the airport. So I'm just telling y'all that this is coming. It's out there. Pay attention.

And, you know, be prepared to voice your opinion. I'll be curious to see how they keep it from becoming a thoroughfare because I agree. Current configuration now now that it bends. I was talking to a traffic officer within a a month ago, but people are so resistant to go that direction, especially if they're Yeah. They're cutting through the airport, going through the gate, and getting out on Airport Drive. I probably followed 30 people. Oh, wow. Airport business. They're cutting through the, the three or four properties to access the bridge and just going right to the gate, going right up on get on the airport drive and taking a left.

But you don't need a code to get out of the gate. You can just go through so they do that so they can wait and turn left.

Don't Just to cut whatever Yeah. You know? In my discussions because I specifically said

that if it goes through there, I I was talking about whether it's a branch off or maybe like a traffic circle or something that could lead to Well, I can't connect. A North Airport entrance, but something that would signage that would specifically say airport traffic only because you we we do want to avoid that. And and that was

that side.

Well, yeah, that that I mean, you you did, yeah, EPD's help on that, but That's what

we're looking for is EPD's help because currently, there there's no anybody who's driving through there right now obviously knows there it's an airport.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty Yeah. It's pretty obvious. Yeah. Stop stop.

People are doing it right now. So Yeah. If you make the road smoother and cleaner and easier to drive on and put up all the signs you want, I think Yeah. It's been I think, I mean, I'm just curious. It's gonna be the consultants that are gonna have to look at any visibility whether it can be kept from being a thoroughfare or what.

I would expect this subject will come up in the the study.

It should. Another thing I would recommend is a future meeting here to have invite John Ferruzzi, our traffic specialist to come and present or or have a discussion. I think I think that can be arranged just

In your opinion Mhmm. Having someone like that come and visit with us better after a feasibility study is done or before, or it doesn't matter?

I don't I don't think that matters as much. No. Yeah. Because I think he can answer some of the questions because he know like, he knows all the the engineering specs, like distance between lights and things like that. And the other, I mean, to Jason point that if, and again, least my perspective on talking about this, Coal Creek Boulevard is an arterial road into Erie.

Yeah.

And this would be something more akin to, Vista Parkway where it's not it's a maybe at most a minor, minor Arturo, if not minor. I forgot all the terminology for this. John knows all this. Says you. John would know again, like, John's got all the drawings on this.

I'm not well, I'm not a traffic engineer, so yeah. And and that doesn't yeah. That doesn't prevent people from doing that, but part of the reason, and this is one of the things I know, like, some people like this, some people haven't liked this, but one of the things with, County Line between, Maxwell and, going up or probably to Cheesman, where they did the narrowing that was intentionally to slow down traffic to, have traffic calming effects. So those are things that we can do on this to again, what there's, as I said, the idea with this is to prevent people from trying to use Vista Parkway as a bypass to going through Coal Creek Boulevard because there's, you know, when there there will be a school there and the school zone is not on Coal Creek Boulevard from what the drawings that we were shown, but, you know, there's going to be traffic there in the morning during the school year. And, so, like, people may say, like, if again, if you're if you're headed south on County Line and you're trying to go east, it's it's a thing where just invariably people are gonna like, why am I driving out west to go back east?

So yeah. Yeah. So But

in a left at an intersection on Highway 7 that doesn't have a light would be very dangerous. Yes.

Yeah. But they do it anyway. They do it. I I didn't wanna spend a whole lot of time Yes. Kind of saying, I report I wanna keep going.

Is it the airport board's wish that the entrance to the airport be a know through traffic that you go in? There's no other way out of the airport? I

don't think the airport board has really had any specifics discussions about that.

Because that

I don't

If it

was no through traffic, then people would stop driving through the airport.

Yeah. But the only way that's gonna happen is if you put a road on the north entrance and you basically shut that gate down and you can't. Not shut the gate. Just have no way out. Right. But right. So the only way you utilize that gate is if you're there for business and whatnot because at that point, all that other stuff comes through. I think when we discussed it in the past, we agreed that if that would ever happen, we're so fortunate to get a road coming in from the north. The gate wouldn't be useless. It wouldn't be shut down, but it wouldn't be the primary access point to the airport.

Yeah. North entrance would dead end at

a parking lot. That's cool. Yeah.

Yeah. So And that that solves your

We're testing

problem right there. Yeah. So

It allows so many other things to happen in terms of particularly the dirt parking lot, the taxiway, the risk of crossing an active taxiway, a proposed or new terminal building, the presumption was only the all of that is predicated on getting a road.

Yeah. The the north entrance is Safer

road gets is better secured. Because a a proposed alternative, that's probably gonna be a problem. I can't speak for everybody, but I know it'll be

a problem. Yeah. No. I I I hear you. Yeah. And I've I've I've made that I'll I'll talk with them again, but I've I've

Well, that's the question is is whoever's doing the feasibility study, are they gonna factor in one alternative that shows both, you know, really goes through in the north entrance. That's a really

Well, okay. From that from that there, it it probably better get John here before the feasibility site so then he can direct that. So yeah. Yeah. Perfect.

Okay. That's all I'm gonna say, sir.

Yeah. I mean for of on that subject too. I I was speaking to Odyssey flight hours, and they brought up how much traffic is coming through. And they're not only I mean, they're cut through to get to a highway. They're literally driving on an aircraft taxiway That's right.

To do this. Built for cars.

So, I mean yeah.

It's where a tighter stain is.

Right. Yeah. So I I my thought was, like, a sign on on that street there because they're accessing three different driveways right there, one of which I think was just built, but Which is private property. Yeah. The one at Odyssey, they're they're, you know, they're barricading it off to try and eliminate that. Right. But I think maybe the last one is the most accessible. I don't know. And

then right now Johnson. Dick Johnson's got his cut off pretty much. Yeah. Is that

the new construction right there in the building?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It is pretty much cut off. The one on the far north end is during the day, they've got barrels and stuff there, but then a few a few times they'll move for delivery trucks. Actually, UPS, Amazon, everybody cuts through there in the airport. I'm trying to stop. I just choose the Amazon guy down the other day and told him to quit doing that. So it's primarily Odyssey. Unfortunately, their gates are just open during the day. Right. Right. You know? But, that doesn't that's no excuse. I'll be able to try some private property, but leave some signage.

I help. I talked to traffic officer. Ironically, someone called the police on me because I was like we we put in three marathons. They were driving across the bridge and then driving across an access road that was basically beat down when they put the sewer in. And so they're cutting behind the the far West side.

And so I put up three Jersey barricades with some cables across them and some, you know, some signs so they could see the cables. And now we're now we can actually see them because they gotta go either in front of the FBO or behind the building. Gotcha. But so, I mean, do we I I didn't realize how much was going through that little beat down or run-in the back. And, I mean, cutting that down has cut down some of that traffic, but it's still definitely unacceptable. So Spikes.

That's all I have. Mister secretary.

I do not have any report as secretary. No.

Okay. Are you ready? Did everybody come and glance at these the minutes from the last meeting?

That's your comment.

Alright. Pretty standard stuff. I just wanna make sure we get them for Michelle. Yes. She Alright. Was sent. Looked at it. Any questions, comments, concerns? Motion to approve. So move. Second? Second. Favor? Aye. Opposed? Excellent. Okay. Airport Enterprise Finance report. They were supposed to come next month, not this month. Correct. Alright. We're still on for that?

Yes. As far as I know. Okay. Excellent. So I'm not gonna

really discuss anything beyond that. Hanger committee, hanger questionnaire feedback. Do we have Julian was going since we only had two weeks of input before, he was going to do another. And he said he said, you were going to bring some information.

Oh, that's good to know.

That back to Bonnie Michael. Julia.

Starting Thursday night on the fourteenth with the that Julian sent out. Yeah. Yeah. So the you guys see the results of the question? The results.

I haven't had a chance. You need me to print it out? I forgot. That's something I You know what? That that diagram that he did with the circles That was really helpful.

Has that been updated? The last one. The diagrams with the circles? Which one? On the Does anybody have those? I left them I

had them in the car, and I left them in the car before I came in. God.

I won't be Would pull it up. But

it was it was kind of a visual depiction of how the data broke out with respect to who wanted to buy, who wanted to rent, what size, that type of thing. And I know do we know offhand of the total people that were sent the questionnaire? What was the the response rate as of right now?

I don't know how many were sent the questionnaire.

I know that there are 64 participants. 63 responses to date as of 06/12.

63, and they were, like, a 170 or something like that. 180. 180. So, basically, one third.

Yep.

K. And it's closed now. Right? Mhmm. No more no more respondents at this point. No

more respondents. Okay. Unless you

guys wanna go back. So I would probably, at this point, since we know there's no more, take an opportunity to look through it. We'll put it on the agenda for next time to kinda get a group deep dive in terms of what we saw. You guys can provide to us what you provided last time with those I'm talking about the Yes. Yes. That's exactly what I'm talking about. K. Yeah. That would be great. If they can print those out and and give them to us at the meeting, that would be great. Next meeting? We can talk about it. Sure. K. But at least we'll have a chance all of us to look at it, make some notes.

Tell them don't print out all the like, he tried to put all of them on a spreadsheet. Yeah. Oh, don't print the spreadsheet? No. Because it comes out, like, microscopic. You know, like, bunch of little bits on the paper. Fair enough. It almost Every time bring the glasses. But that but that that was extremely helpful. Yeah. Know. Know. Just if you could do that again and adjust that, that would be great. Yeah. Then we'll put it on the agenda for next month's meeting. Mhmm. We'll also put it on the agenda for next month meeting what happened at this

Study session.

Study session. K.

So this gentleman has expressed interest in funding building some kind of hangers. So I know you did you have any personal goals in what those hangers would do for you? Time out. I don't think

we can do that, but we should be doing that through the channels, talk to the people that I suggested. Michelle would smack me across the head if they knew a public comment person got more than three minutes. She was pretty adamant about that.

Safe call. Don, would we want more input from the We do. When we go through the

public We're trying to we should also do. But as a public person, I got nothing against him. Glad that he came, but she's very adamant. Person Person can come in. They could speak for three minutes, and that's it. Can't be any questions. Can't be any discussion beyond three minutes. Sorry?

I mean, I think if you had, like, a proposal that you want to present to the group.

Yeah. But I would I would say if there's a If we talk It's gotta be If there is a proposal, he should put the proposal through the airport manager and the committee that we have, and then they would present that to the board, and we would move forward in the appropriate manner. I just wanna make sure we follow protocol. Just for the vision Yes, dude.

A little helpful in looking at this data in a potential way. Correct.

What Yeah. I'm saying Yeah. I I hear you. We're gonna have him come and discuss it with us. We need to put him on the agenda. We need to invite him. He's gonna come right now. I don't wanna be calling in, you know, but he's here, but I wanna make sure we do everything where we're supposed to be doing them, and I've been told more than once. Thirty minutes, that's it. Don't have a conversation unless they're on the agenda.

Yeah. Okay. Cool. Alright.

I think we've got enough regarding that. Mhmm. Next meeting. And yeah.

We're gonna discuss further.

Perfect. We're getting close.

We're getting close. Yeah. We're less than sixty days. Phase two has been submitted for a permit. I'm having a meeting tomorrow at the airport to discuss logistics and planning. So most things are on track right now. The biggest thing is trying to get some more volunteers to help day of. So that's that's the biggest thing right now. But

Questions about volunteers. Mhmm. Do you have, like, a desired minimum age? Or or so you don't want a ten ten year old? Yeah. I I

don't know if it's just a minimum age, but

Maturity, though. Probably Yeah. School.

Older or High school. Yeah. Okay. That's probably a good age. Is there a flyer for it? There is a flyer. Yeah. I can send that out.

Yeah. Do you need anything from us other than volunteering?

No. There'll be a space made available if we wanna have a a table there.

I think

we should do what we did last time. We had it, which is everybody on the board signed up for what? Like, it was a two hour window. Need you Yeah.

I mean, the event's only four hours.

Yeah. So maybe thirty minutes. Take a time.

It'd be it might be good to have some materials and maybe a display kinda talking about, you know The new rug.

Yeah. I I met with Armstrong today, our consultant. They they were had a booth at the last hour for Oh, did they? Right. They shared it. They liked it. They liked us.

It was all in the share as well. Oh, yeah.

I'll talk to you. Paul Paul Castro.

Okay. He was

the one that manned it last time.

Yep. Yeah. Oh, that's right. He was at our Shared. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Just absolutely. So you asked a question. How many Cub Scout packs are selling popcorn at their show?

Well, the last one, there was one Cub Scout pack. I think it was Just

trying to avoid the turf war or what?

There there really are turf wars in theory about popcorn. It's unbelievable.

Is there more than one of these? Yes. There is. Okay.

There's two.

I mean, you know, we're open to all nonprofits to participate. Trying to make it more interactive. You know, we're we'll get this trailer with the simulators on it and Yep. Working on some stuff to maybe get that that little drone demonstration.

Mhmm. They did a 300 drone thing for fourth of July up in Longmont, whatever. I guess it was a huge

No. How long it takes them to set that up?

I think he said that he needed a hard surface for about an hour to set up, and I've asked him how long it would take to clear out as well. But he's on a family thing for this week, going back Monday Okay. To answer that. But do we think there is any hard surface area for him to do the setup other than the active runway?

There's the Belgium. Oh. I don't know if you have Belgium.

That's not that far. Pretty close. We've got a pretty open That's No. I can they If there's nothing work. Lift off and move them?

Yeah. What they need to do is they need to set them up on a very, very fixed grid so that they can run the program and have them lift off and but then it can move once it's off the ground, and it needs to be able to come home to the same grid. You say what size he needs? I can find that out. That would depend on how many drones. Yeah.

That would probably be worth knowing. Yes. Because in theory, I mean, what are you doing with the dirt parking lot?

Hopefully, it's not gonna be utilized much.

Yeah. So in theory It's usually empty. Hope Dirt's

not yeah. To the the problem is the problem is getting in and out as you Yeah. That's right. We're trying to discourage any access from Airport Road of anybody that's not

a resident. Is there still a concrete pad remaining from the former AWOS location?

No. There was there were pad there, but the old crosswind could easily be

I didn't think of that. Yeah.

That would So will you just with your guy, just coordinate with Jason and and

Yeah.

Emmett to Yeah. That Absolutely.

That would be, like, a fucking pull up.

That would be great because then that doesn't affect

Right there. That's close.

The only thing I was thinking is potentially if depending on how much fly in traffic we get, you know, there's gonna be limited space for them to park where the Crosswind Runway might be a good overflow parking. But then the other one I was thinking is the there's a coalsack at the very north end of the airpark that has no homes on it. I actually have a fairly large apron in

front of my hangar that is right across from where the airfare is gonna be. Okay.

I don't know if that's which would be space that would be easy for them to access.

The drones are Yeah. I was gonna say

that's that big. They need a little bit of space between them. I I'll I'll find out what the dimensions need to

more than happy to make my

Okay. Cool. And and flat would be better than the Crosswind Runway because if you're planning a thing and there's

a No. I think elevation difference then talking west side? Yeah. The west side. There's a

pretty good with this flood. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I was thinking it's okay.

And that makes it easy for them to deliver the stuff on time. Yep. Yep. Because all of that So I'll drive the truck on it. I mean, it's just an open brass. Anyways,

so just coordinate We won't be talking next week. That's also part of

that area is gonna be where the parachute guy comes in. Mhmm.

Gotcha.

But we could plan that.

Yep. Did you I'm sure sorry to be thrown out, but patrol for volunteers?

I haven't. Yeah. I do.

I knew they were last year, they were busy. But yeah. That's a good one.

I mean, do you need who's been with vaccine?

I mean, we're looking for

You you can't have an office. You can't say the answer.

Probably forty forty. Because, I mean, some people wanna show up for, you know, the morning or midday or you know? So we're starting a little bit earlier this time, and then hopefully, the weather cooperates. I think Jenny came early last time. She helped her partner in directing traffic. Yeah. We'll have vendors then? Like, when Well, that's another thing. And as we discussed the whole people driving through the airport, that's exactly where I have yet to secure permission, but that's the idea, is to bring them in through there. Show them how it's done. Highway 7 is just

A mess.

A mess and and not don't wanna create any backups of people trying to turn left or bring you know? Because we'll probably have thirty, forty cars show up between the tents, the food trucks, and all that. So that needs to be different place. Yeah. I'm just curious what time what time now the vendor is coming here. Vendors will be there in place by nine, ideally. Some of them will be tardy, but that's the idea. Are we setting up anything in the night before? Or is it Yes. The tent will be set up the night before.

The stage might be there the night before, But those are all those are all handled. Those that's not things we have to do. Subject to it. Yeah. Well, there's very nasty So last last year, we had to get big concrete ballers as tie downs. Right. Oh, wow. The this is a fire department ask, so we're just planning for this year. Same same size tent. Yep.

Little bit more space in there because there's a little crowded with some of the lines and the food trucks. And the food trucks sold out most of them of what they brought, so we had 10 of them. That's good for them because we had more people than we expected. It's close to 5,000.

Oh.

And one person in Fort Collins has a food truck, and she was interested. Brazilian food. Sure. Like, are you interested? It's gonna be

in sometime in September.

He says, yeah. But the only day I can't do it is September 7.

Oh, damn it. Does the town get sales tax revenue from the? No. No.

So is the airport gonna

be closed for a period of time? Well, we're still working through that.

If it is, it'll be for maybe an hour. For the for the for the drone. Yeah. The

drone and the parachute kind of what I'm thinking maybe for an hour. Still working through that. Alright.

We have one meeting between now and the one more board meeting between now and the Correct. Show. Just bring, you know, an update at that meeting. But I was gonna say, if you need to communicate with us before then as far as stuff you need, you know, don't be shy. Yep. Let us know.

Mhmm.

Just make sure we do it in the appropriate manner. Well, I

I do have a couple of things.

Yeah.

Are you planning to have alcohol at the So that application is due July 24. Yes.

Have you gotten it in yet? Are you No.

That so that actually gets submitted by the rotary. Okay. Rotary is gonna be the group that Make sure that if that does does that. Mhmm. And that becomes a a fundraiser for them. Okay. And I noticed because I'm looking at the application now. I think Brandon wants an updated site map with probably the I think he's really interested in the parking, where the parking's gonna be. Because with that The parking will be in the same place. Same place. And that's what I told him. 95 percent of it.

Okay.

Actually, no. All of it will be in the same place. Same spot. That kind of dirt, grass lot. Okay. Cool. And then plan for security for the event. That's, like, the last thing. Yeah. I I sent him an email. I think he was out of town. Okay. He was. I was gonna speak with some answers on that. Yeah. Okay. And then the other flip side of it is that the funds for the event have not been received by the EEDC. Okay. That She should have them in in hand now because I gave her the check on

Oh, he's dead. Okay. Communicate with Victorian. She should have them. Cool.

No signal, Tammy. Yeah.

There you go. None of that. Yeah. Those are the main things. Like you said, fire department, I think, year came with some random stuff. I'm trying to remember And if it was with that lot. Thankfully, you know, Recess Factory has done every one of these.

Yeah. They're great.

And knows what they're doing, and they handle all that. Also But, you know, the one big ask was the concrete in place of 55 gallon drums full of water. Mhmm. They wanted that instead. So that's already built in.

And then the other thing was, like, the the VMS signs. I think the town has one maybe, maybe more. I don't know. Maybe two. Like, I always yeah. I was gonna see if some of those are available. We rented three of those. They were about $750 apiece.

High school kids with spinner signs. So

we'll see what's available. I don't know if any of them are being used for the Austin Avenue roundabout, but Oh. I can always ask. When is that done? Before school starts is the plan. Okay. So it's My kid's just four. Yeah. Make the East Side that's supposed to be done so that access to Boston should be well and clear by but the Western half might Okay. Probably September.

I might have a little bit of impact. Just the volume of traffic coming down. So it was about 1,800 cars that parked at the parking lot there. But we had we provided a map on a website Yeah. Telling people how to get there. Mhmm. And we'll do that again. And we've been pretty good about putting together detour maps for that area too. So if it's still impacted at that time, we could share it and make sure that gets out in our channels. Good.

That's all. K. Airport manager. Next subject. A

couple updates on projects. This year's project, is relocation of the runway light bulb. We just met with, Armstrong this morning. That's looks like it's on track to happen this year. Just discuss locations. It's probably gonna get located next to the, you know, some equipment building. Just depends. We'll meet with Excel next week to find out if we're the best place to put it, where we can power, where power's at right now, all these kind of things. Told them about the well,

I

don't think it I don't think anything will happen before then, but all three of these things I'm bringing up, I we've mentioned the airfare, so it doesn't impact construction doesn't impact anything. Thank you. The second is looks like we're gonna be doing some significant warranty work on the concrete work that was done last year. Got about 30 panels, I think, now that have been identified that are already cracking. Some crazy new mix of concrete that they used that was supposed to be better. That's sucking, wasn't it? So at some point Sucking? Yeah.

Like, spalling or actually, like, cracking rattles. Yeah. I'm during

the initial construction, one out of 200 panels cracked right down the middle, you know, real quick. Thought it was just an anomaly, but it's it's spreading. It's all warranty, of course. But, the concern I have at this point, I brought that up today, was, you know, what's the duration of warranty? I think, you know, twenty twenty, 25 or 30 panels cracking some year later. When's it gonna stop? What's gonna happen to the other panels? You know? I mean, you expect a life on a panel like that. The last panel replacement we did, those those panels are probably we're almost 10 old now, and they're still intact.

And so if we when we see 30 panels and then they continue to crack, and now we've got 200 panels that you know? So, a little bit of investigation to do there, maybe try to figure out why they cracked. And there's gonna be a little bit of back and forth. Fortunately, Armstrong handles that as our project managers. The warranty is the concrete company that makes the concrete for, you know, like, the contractor that smoothed it all out and put it down.

So There would be a fair amount of finger pointing.

Probably. That's probably going on right now, actually, in the today at least. Again, they didn't know how quickly they'd be out to fix those. It's probably their best interest to get them fixed sooner than later because I I think more crap over my time. But they do know about their affair date.

The only other thing is they are going to be tearing up Airport Drive, to put in sewer. And so there's gonna be, a section right where the gate is at that's actually gonna be opened up. They're estimating two days. I'm I'm planning for five just to be careful, but I'll send them the date on that. We'll be advising all tenants, everybody, hopefully, and plenty of time for them to get their planes out of there if they need to.

So but, yeah, on Airport Drive. That could be going on during the year for I don't anticipate there's not much. The sewer comes to the if the gate's here, the sewer is not far from where the gate's at right now. So as far as impact on airport property, that's the oil section, but Airport Airport Drive could be significantly impacted for a while. Yeah. It might be during the airfighter.

So This is providing sewer access to the proposed new development that master's doing? Yes. No.

And at this point, when I call proposed, it's happening. I mean, you have

It's been approved. So yeah. It's it's actually happening. And that's the

first part of it. So But attended the preconstruction meeting, but it sounds like the the it's it's it's gonna be happening pretty quick. So Is that

master's doing it?

Master doing it with There was I think that that's been a lot of delays. I I can't say specifically, but I think they came to terms with the town and how much but it's it's it's a master in town to some degree.

But who's who's managing the process?

Well, there's there's a they've got a consultant. Whether they're being engaged by the town or Nassar, I don't know. But it's HCI Civil who built the first who built the phase of sewer that went to Parkdale. So this is just a continuation they already know where where it's at, where you tap in, what needs to be done. And

I mean, the bottom line is if Dave's involved, it's likely to happen

faster. Yeah. No. I mean, based on the discussions that were at the pre instruction meeting. You know? I thought if I said, you know, the, oh, we're even gonna be like, okay. We're ready to write it down. So think I think they wanna get it started soon. Yeah. So, I mean, the truth is it's it's it's gonna be an asphalt project, so they need to start it, you know, before you know, it needs to be to relay. I mean, you you have a asphalt season. So, you know, after, like, October, you're not getting asphalt. So if they started, I think they probably want it done by October. So that means pretty quickly

Going up the road? Yeah. Or is it just crossed?

No. So we're not No.

Down the road. Yeah. It's going all the way

up to the top. Yep.

Right near Highway 7. In the well. Yeah. Yep.

It's it's all under the road. Yep. Okay.

Yep. And they're replacing the water pipe too because, apparently, the water pipe has asbestos in it or something.

K. It helps over drinking water. Supply. You

want to drink a lot of water for thirty years. That's great. Yeah. No kidding. Yeah. Probably fine. Yeah. Exactly.

What do you want do?

What's that? So so how are how are your employees and others gonna be getting

Yeah. So we during the preconstruction meeting, tenants and employees, the goal is when they cut that trench across the bridge, everybody will still be able to access to their parking lot. And then once they move beyond that, they'll be able to go around the existing flight park and go over. So they'll they're gonna cut that, lay it, and asphalt over it, and hopefully be done with it in two days. So during those two days, we'll be transitioning from their park parking lot to going around the customers. Fairly quick. Once it gets going. Yeah. Yep. There's gonna follow the other people that

are cutting through now. Right?

Yeah. This is just even the big train. Yeah. Big trains. Yeah. But and one more thing. It was just mentioned. It's a, by our, consultant, but it is kinda relative to some of the discussions we've had today. But our master plan is coming up on its ten year anniversary. It was on 2016 and approved.

And so, when we start our discussions with, which usually happens October, November with the state and FAA and our our capital improvement plan, We might be trying to fit in a new master plan somewhere in there, which would encompass a lot of the road, hangers hanger stuff, all these things we talked about tonight. So timing you know what mean? Wouldn't happen this year. We would have funding. So depending on what timing is, it might kinda tie in with all the stuff.

It's if it did, that would be great because, you know, we did our previous master plan, there was no discussion of the new entrance. There was oh, there was, but not where it's ultimately been conceived. Now, there was talk about hangers, but we didn't have this board to back those hangers and and actually, you know, have input from other parties. So I think Timing's right. The timing would be right. Yeah. If it happened here maybe next year, then you're not too late. It's just gonna depend on where our these people are at. So who we we owe money to. Gotcha. So

cool. Anybody got any questions of Jason?

Jason, who will have access to that sewer? Do you

Anybody. Yeah. Well, anybody that's near it. The the what I understand, because there's some people that live along the airport drive there. And, eventually, I don't know if this is part of it. I didn't see any I can't I can't imagine the this phase, but it's supposed to go down Baron Court. It's eventually supposed to go up to the come and go or what is the Absolutely. Maverick. Yeah. That's all being served by a list station.

And so the original plan from the sub from the sewer even before Dave's Flight Park was that we go down and go up there and tie into the businesses that are up there by the gas station. That's not gonna be done, I don't think, during this phase, but it's gonna be a lot easier and that much closer. But people who are, right up on Airport Drive, they would have access to it. My understanding is the ordinance says you don't have to tie into it until your septic fails, in which case you're not getting the permit to redo your septic. You're gonna have to tie it.

So I don't think there's any requirement unless the ordinance has changed for people to have to tie into it. But but, yeah, it'll it's sized up. It should be sized appropriately for all homes that are along there. And

we've talked

about getting the airport finally tied into it. We had an opportunity during the last phase and parked it in there. The was here, and the subject was right here. And all we needed to do was that. And so hoping maybe that will will be tied in because it'll be a community time to do it. But the manpower and equipment out there. So yeah.

Anybody else? Alright. That's all I had on the agenda for this meeting. But since you both are here, I wanna be able to talk about whatever you guys have questions. Folks here have questions of these folks because we're speeding along here. We've only been here an hour. And an official meeting. Try to. Anyways but I don't wanna adjourn the meeting without giving you all an opportunity to to ask us questions or talk more about what we were talking about before because we're way ahead of the game.

Yeah. I mean yeah. If you got I mean, I I don't have any specific questions, but if if you guys have questions with me on the like, I I I can tell you that I mean, you know, I know we discussed the ordinance at the at the last meeting. So I I'm you know, when we have the study session, I'm sure it's gonna come up, but I I again, it's

like when you said you do we discussed the ordinance, we as in this group or we as this council? This group. Yeah. There's been no discussion about it.

There's no none on this council.

With staff anybody else that has basically not gone anywhere.

Well, I okay. I've had conversations with Sarah about it on how on on, you know, how we factor that into the budget and Right. That's really the ultimately, that's what it's gonna come down to. I mean, I I look at it as money's fungible, like, it's depends on what pocket it is, but but specifically with how it affects general fund, there are certain things that she has to do to make that work because we can't end the general fund with a negative balance at the end of

the year. So it's Right. In the ordinance as it sits right now, they're bound to do what they're doing now, which is take the money out of the fund first. Yeah. To pay this guy. Yeah. Right? Yep. We're trying to avoid that by changing the ordinance Yes. So that the money stays with the airport. So that we can use the money to improve by various means by doing projects where the money's not being sucked up by the town, like the better phrase. Yeah. Yeah. So we're trying to make it so that the money fund stays in the fund and is embargoed to only be used for

Yep. And then there's basically another line item to to pay Jason and Oh,

the line item's there. Yeah. Yeah. But it's when they What happens is we got into this and we started moving forward. Yeah. And you were there from the beginning as member of the council Yes. Trustees. And I think we kinda boxed ourselves into a corner until we had a

Yep.

Pretty in-depth look at, well, what's fun? What does it mean? What oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. And we'd like to change that. Yeah. That will allow us to direct fund the money people pay for use and whatnot of the airport to be used, not to pay a consultant who would normally be an employee that the town would have to pay, use that money for projects.

Yep. Yep. And it's not just desire to change. It's a desire to fix problems in the way that it's working right now.

Well, right. To to to replace it with

because there's real issues that need to be addressed. Yeah. It's not just a choice. Oh, we'd like to change it so that we have more money. It's No. Serious. That's right. That's right. It needs to be fixed.

It needs to be might be to protect to protect.

Yeah. Yeah. To protect those topics.

To protect the revenue that's coming in and use it.

That is that is correct. Yeah. Yeah.

Towards capital for those projects, master plans, things like that. That's what so yeah. We've been

we have been instructed as a board by the liaison from the town staff that it should be done in the manner in which we've done it Yep. Which is formulate our goals, put a document together, submit it to our council liaisons, and then hopefully

My goal would be to to get that presented as a change of the ordinance before the end of the year. So that that's Hold you to that, my friend. There we go. We'll see. So yeah.

And so far, I mean yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kinda I mean, it's kinda we

did what we were supposed to do. We did everything that we were told to do. It's now been handed off to you all. So you could liaison for us. That would be much appreciated.

Anybody else? Nothing else? K. Let's adjourn. We don't really have to vote on an adjournment, right, to chair?

No. If there's nothing if there's no items left on the agenda, you adjourn.

Yes. Okay. So I'll sit here awkwardly until Yes. That's right. Yeah. So adjourn.