City Council - Regular Meeting

We would like to welcome everyone out to our Pleasant Grove City Council meeting today on Tuesday, August 4th, 2026. We have all council members present. We welcome all visitors who may be with us today and online. We'll start by Council Member Williams with the Pledge of Allegiance following our opening remarks by Council Member Anderson.

Please stand and repeat after me. I pledge allegiance to the flag

Our dear Father in heaven, we're very grateful for the opportunity that we have to be here as residents of Pleasant Grove. We're grateful for this council and mayor. We're grateful for staff. And we ask that thou would please bless us with thy spirit that as we make decisions, we will be inspired to make those that will be best for Pleasant Grove and the citizens in many years to come. We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

Thank you, Council Member Williams and Council Member Anderson. Scott, is there anything that we need to amend or is the agenda?

No changes, Mayor.

All right. So with that said, I'll entertain a motion and a second.

Mayor, make a motion that we approve tonight's agenda.

we have a motion by council member anderson do i have a second second second by council member lamont sorry todd all right uh all those in uh favor all right before we do open session tonight just for the public we do have uh three public hearing items tonight so if you're here for one of those items we ask that you just wait for the for one of those items to come up But for our open session, we'll just ask you that you state your name as you come up, and we'll have the timer up here for three minutes. And we'll go ahead and open session. Okay, all right, we'll go ahead and close our open session at this time. And we do have a few consent items here. Item six are listed on the agenda. Do I have a motion?

I'll make a motion that we accept the consent items as listed.

All right, we have a motion by Councilmember Phillips. Do we have a second? Second by Councilmember Anderson. All those in favor?

Aye.

Anonymous, thank you. All right, we have no Board, Commission, or Committee appointments tonight. It looks like no presentations. We'll go ahead and move to Item 9A, Public Hearing Items. Public hearing to consider ordinance 2026-22, to consider the request of St. John Properties to amend section 10-12A-2, permitted conditional and accessory uses in the business and manufacturing park BMP zone to add use 6410, automobile repair and related services to the list of permitted uses within the zone. Director Cardenas, welcome.

Mayor Cancel, what we have in front of us is an item for a code text amendment, and the applicant, St. John's Properties, is proposing to add a new use to the list of permitted uses in the zone. The zone that we're talking about is the BMP, or the Business Manufacturing Park Zone. Okay, the BMP is a zone that allows for, the best way to describe it is light manufacturing. Okay, that's the best way to describe this BMP zone. It's our zone that is between or fully manufacturing zone. As we can see in this aerial view, it looks like the uses are pretty intense. And this is kind of like a buffer. It still allows for live manufacturing. As we can see just in this aerial view, I'm gonna say 90% of it, no, less than that. This is 60, almost 70%. I'm not really good with my calculations. It's occupied by flex space, what we call nowadays flex space. So we have a, We approved recently a building right here similar to these buildings. We can see the manufacturing style of building right there. So again, the zone is the BMP and it's a manufacturing type of a zone. The applicant is proposing to add use 6400 automobile services. When we talk about 6400, there's a big list of uses under 6400, all of them related to car maintenance, car services, automobile services. present this to the Planning Commission. We talk about the addition of this new use into the zone. I think the applicant is here and he can tell us a little bit more about the specific use they're trying to come up with for the zone. But the application again is for more uses than just one. It's an umbrella that covers multiple car services uses. Do you have a list of those uses that we can see? Yes. They are right here. So includes out of washing, polishing, detailing, mechanic shops, out of washing self-service, out of glass installation and services, and places like lube, two knobs, and yeah, those type of uses we can see right there, okay? Does that help you, Council Williams? Yes, okay. We can also take a look at the list. The place where we get all the uses, we have this actually is online and everybody can see it. Here's the list of uses that will be permitted if we do 6410.

Can you, sorry, I'm the furthest one away. Can you make that bigger? Can I make that bigger? Just improve.

Yes, of course, I can make that bigger. Yeah, there you go, there you go. Is that better?

Yeah. I need a bigger two. There we go. 6410.

I've got my monovision contacts in. Okay, thank you.

These are the list of uses that the applicant is proposing to put on that zone. The ones under 6410. Okay, hold on.

But now you've got to remove the highlighting.

Oh, there you go. There you go.

All right, here we go.

Thanks, Daniel.

Sorry to be a pain.

No, that's okay. That's okay. Thank you. Thanks for letting me know. As I say, I'm pretty sure my mom is watching us all the way from Mexico, so it's important that she understands this as well. She doesn't speak English, so.

She just likes looking at you.

Okay, thanks, Daniel.

All right, so that's the list of uses. Now, when we present this to the Planning Commission, we had a discussion. The staff also reviewed these uses, and we identified the business that can go under these uses, and the only use that we considered that is not appropriate for the zone is use 6411, okay? 6411 is mechanic shops. The use 6411, it's an intense use. It's an intense use in regards of the storage of vehicles, the storage of parts, the storage of unoperated vehicles, and that's probably one of the biggest concerns that we have is that code enforcement spends a lot of time trying to get those places cleaned up. it produced a lot of nuisances, if I can say it like that, to the neighbors, area where to park the cars, the open storage is complicated. So as we presented to the Planning Commission, the recommendation was to add U6410 with the exception of U6411. So use the rest of the uses, however, again, mechanic shops or automobile repair, EXCLUDE THAT FROM THE LIST OF PERMITTED USE. WE PRESENTED THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT IT, LOOKED AT THE USES AS WELL. AND THEN THEY FORWARDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO INCLUDE USE 6410 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF USE 64 11 out of mobile repair or in easier works in mechanic shops. So that's what we have for use. Mayor and councilor, I don't know if you guys have questions.

Council, do you have any questions for Daniel?

The primary concern is the aesthetics, the storage of things on the outside that are disrepair. Does it make sense to add a clause to that effect, or is that?

We have rules and regulations already established for that, but it's complicated for them to meet the requirements.

It becomes enforcement at that point. I think we have this on 200 South where right when you get to State Street and 200, we do have these types of uses, and we're there once a year working with them trying to get their area cleaned up.

The second one that I saw was the tire repair, and there's a tire repair shop on State Street in our neighboring city that has just stacks of tires and whatever all over, and I'm thinking that's in there, and that's going to have the same kind of unsightly...

We have one right here in $200, but that's easy. I mean, if we have to hide tires or the inventory, it's easier than to find a place where to park the unoperated vehicles. So it's the vehicles that create a problem. I'm going to go and go more... in depth and said, we're not there once a year. We're there probably once every other month for a mechanic shop. We're there and the problem is that we clean it up and we talk to the property owner, but again, it's the nature of the job. For a business to be successful as a mechanic shop, the more volume, the better, right? So it turns into an enforcement problem that we have seen in our city, the problem that has cost us.

Which is why it's appropriate to address it now.

Which may be why we don't want to do it at all. Because why have to worry about enforcing something that isn't allowed in the zone for a reason. And as we get the new off ramp and we have retail from the west pushing east and going into Linden and Pleasant Grove, I would even look at changing that from a light manufacturing to more of a retail area because that retail is now coming this way. And I don't want the tire shops and I want more retail there. We have areas for those types of services up on State Street, over on Center, Geneva. There's quite a few places that are industrial areas, but I don't think this is appropriate. When we have the roof, doTERRA, we have other areas around here, even like the close to my heart, that's a nice building. I don't think it necessarily makes sense anymore for the light manufacturing to be there. I think that we may need to look at changing that zone to fit more with what's coming and long-term planning for retail.

I think car wash probably would look just...

It will look better, but wouldn't be my first choice considering how many there are in the area.

Without speaking over the applicant, which is here, I think the first idea that the applicant had was to It was included used for a car wash. and eventually he'd like to open the umbrella a little bit more to have that possibility of renting to other tenants. But the applicant is right here, and that's what I have to say first.

I just have one other clarification about our code that maybe you can answer. So one of the things listed is under 6419, it includes towing services. I know that's probably different than a tow yard, but I assume it includes some sort of impound or a temporary location where vehicles may be stored for a certain amount of time, or is it really just an office?

It's an office. That one's an office. We have a different use for short, long-term parking. That's a different type of use associated with towing.

Okay. Council, any more questions for Director before I call the applicant up? For sure. All right. Applicant is here. Mr. Beaumont, would you mind coming up? Marty.

Good to be good with you again Marty Beaumont st. John properties the applicant here this comes from Obviously we own some property now in the BMP zone which we've acquired in the last six months or so We're building a large 40,000 square foot building a flex building on the property It's in the zone as you know most almost all of this property is Dave Kuntz, Develop not that it can't be redeveloped but it's developed or in some phase of development, other than one acre that we're kind of looking at here but. Dave Kuntz, The uses that we're looking at adding we're feeling like it's it is that transitional zone, it is going from your heavy industrial over into your commercial area, it is a light industrial. regardless of what you rezone, it's going to be light industrial to some degree. We're just saying there are some uses that we think are conducive to that type of a situation, whether it's flex or whether or not it's some other type use that would be conducive to that it's a little bit off the beaten path as far as it's not direct access to your major corridor as far as transportation it is there it is obviously there is traffic there and there will always be traffic there it's very difficult to do a retail pad not that it can't be done and we're not saying that it won't be done We're just saying what are some uses that could be added to this area that would be suitable in this light industrial type of a zone that gives us more opportunity to look at different tenants and clients. Yes, if you're talking about maybe some tire shop, I've seen some pretty poor looking tire shops, but you look at a Les Schwab or you look at some other Burt Brothers, these are great tenants, great people. to bring into the city. And that's obviously what we'd be, you know, we don't want something that's looking trashy right in front of our building either. So don't blame me for the thought. The reality is, is that this location is not going to be conducive to somebody that's just a, mom and pop shop tire shop on the side of the road this is a pretty pretty high-end location and as well as what we're doing down there we we wouldn't be acceptable to that either so um for for what we're looking at is i think the planning commission came back said automotive repair creates some issues for the city they've had issues in other locations um you know it's not something uh that we're going to fight against or try to try to um When you over on that, we understand that there are concerns with that, but we think that these other uses are manageable and are a great use in that zone. So happy to answer any questions you have. We don't have anybody. I mean, I think we've looked at options. We talked with different people. We have interest in the area, but there's nobody that has like, these are who we're bringing in. We're not contracted with any car wash. We're not contracted with any tire shop or anything at this time. We're just saying we feel that these are good uses that could be added to the zone that would allow us to be able to market it and try to find the best user for that piece, so.

Okay, any questions for the applicant?

Could you just show, I know you've got a current building going, I think, on this lot, right? Could you just show us maybe, are you talking, The application made it seem like you're proposing like some additional building or something like that. Are you just trying to change the uses for the current flex space you're putting in there? Or both?

So this is adding, Councilman Rogers, this is adding the use to the zone. So it's not just us, right? This is applying it to the entire zone and any of these potential buildings could have any of these uses in them if it's approved. Now, we own this property here of which This back portion of that property, if you kind of straighten it out right here on this curve, all of that is the current flex building that's being built if you go out there today. There is one one acre parcel that was left in that plat that was approved here that we don't know who would potentially come there as a tenant, as somebody that would potentially be there on the corner. It might be, it could be retail, it could be some other users, but right now we're just trying to open up the opportunities by adding other uses that are conducive to that light industrial type.

Yeah, I just noted that at the Planning Commission, like a car wash was specifically, I think, discussed there.

Sure, sure. It's one of the uses allowed.

Yeah, and then I think Daniel said that that was the use you kind of targeted and then it expanded from there. Is that fair or is that not?

You know, in talking with our leasing group, I've heard a number of different uses. That is one of them. And I know that's kind of where it started of we need to look at the uses to try to figure out How can we open up the ability to market this to different users for this location? I mean, it doesn't make sense to put a car wash back here on the back of this property, right? It has to have good access, as well as even a tire sales shop or something of that nature. It has to be somewhere closer to the higher volumes of traffic, easy access, easy directions to get to, those types of things. However, there's a lot of great businesses in here, and we think that these would be conducive to that light industrial zone.

OK. Thank you. Any other questions for Marty? All right. Thank you, Marty.

Okay. Thank you.

All right. See, now this is a public hearing. Uh, we'll go ahead and open our public hearing to, to the public. Um, you'll have three minutes. We just ask that you state your name. Okay, seeing no one coming forward, we'll go ahead and close this public hearing and bring it back up here to the city council for further discussion or a motion. Go ahead.

I wanted to ask Daniel one more question. So can you remind me if we have, what kind of design standards we have in this area?

Yes, we have some design standards, some requirements for the construction of a building. I mean, we have the setbacks. But I think what you're looking at, we don't have very strict design standards in regards of looking of the building. We don't. Because again, it's a light manufacturing. It's kind of like established for a flex space light manufacturing type of building, till top buildings, till top square buildings. But we have one requirement in regards to storage, for example, outside storage, where we said that the only way you can do outside storage is if it's associated with a retail use. And we have specific standards of how and the location. You cannot storage in the front yard. You need to cover it completely or put a fence that goes above the materials that you can storage and stuff like that. So we have some regulations. but they're not as strict as in the growth, to give you an idea. But they're more restrictive than what we have on the fully manufacturing zone.

Any other questions for Director? Okay, with that said, I'll entertain a motion on this ordinance.

I'll make a motion that we approve Ordinance 2026-022.

We have a motion by Councilmember Anderson. Do I have a second?

I'll second.

Second by Councilmember Williams. This is a roll call vote. Councilmember Anderson? Yes. Councilmember Rogers?

You want me to come back? Well, you can if you want.

Okay. Councilmember Lamone?

No.

Council Member Williams, did I re-ask you?

Yes.

Yes, okay. Council Member Phillips? Yes. And Council Member Rogers?

Well, I guess my vote doesn't really matter now.

I saved you for last, there we go.

Yeah, I mean, I'd like to see, my vote would be no with the current mask.

Okay, all right, it passes three to two, so thank you.

All right, director.

Moving on to item 9B, public hearing to consider ordinance 2026-23 to consider the request of Dallas Curtis to amend the city code section 10-14-24-3-D permitted uses in the Grove Interchange Subdistrict to add use 6295 tattooing to the list of permitted uses within the zone. Director Cardenas.

Thank you, Mayor, Mayor and Council. This item that we're gonna discuss now is also a Code Text Amendment where the applicant is proposing to add a use to the list of permitted uses in the zone. The use is 6295, tattooing or body art. In our code, it's called tattooing, but some other jurisdictions call it body art. Our applicant is Dallas Curtis, and the zone where he would like to at this use is into the Grove interchange sub-district. Okay, now, this is our Grove area. And we are very specific on the type of uses that we allow in the growth. Now, in the growth, we have three different sub-districts, sub-categories. We have the interchange, we have the commercial sales, and we have the mixed housing. Out of these three, if the growth is already selective in the type of uses that we have, the interchange is the most selective in the uses that we have. So the applicant is proposing to add it to that zone to the interchange sub district. So is everything where we have or retail uses and class A offices by the freeway. That's the zone that the applicant is proposing to include this the use of tattooing in the in the list of permitted uses. So we started as well, the use of tattooing is already allowed in two different zones in our city. It's allowed in this zone right here in the CG. So the CG or the general commercial zone along State Street. And it's also allowed in the Grove, but just for properties facing State Street. So in this area right here. So we already have a couple zones where the use of tattooing is permitted. We presented this to the Planning Commission. We studied the proposal. AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE USE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH ZONES WHERE THAT USE IS PERMITTED, AND IN ORDER TO ADD MORE USES TO THE INTERCHANGE, IS THERE PREFERENCE THAT WE ADD RETAIL USES INSTEAD OF YOUR SERVICES USES. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. IT WAS A SPLIT DECISION, BUT IT WAS, THEREFORE, A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO ADD THE USE INTO THE ZONE.

OKAY? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR CARDENAS? Is the applicant here? Dallas Curtis, is he here, if he wants to speak? All right, okay. No, he's not here. Just not, all right.

Daniel, what was the primary reason for the denial, or for those that voted for the denial at the Planning Commission?

That we already have enough zones, and that's a zone that we won't wanna use any more services uses, but more retail-oriented uses.

Okay, all right. This is a public hearing, so we'll go ahead and open the public hearing at this time. If you come forward, just please state your name and you'll have three minutes. Okay, seeing no one coming forward, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing at this time and bring it back up here to council for further discussion or a motion.

You know, on this one, Mayor, I've studied it quite a bit and researched it. There's a lot of areas where we can have those types of activities, and I just don't think that this area is one of them that we need to, I mean, we're really trying to save this area for what we originally intended 15 years ago, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Okay. Thank you. Any other comments before I, all right, at this time then I'll enter, oh, go ahead.

I just wanted to add, so this was a close vote down at the Planning Commission. It was 4-3. And was there, I mean, can you give us the general consensus of the three votes that would have permitted it?

They thought that it would be a good fit for the zone, pretty much, but they didn't disclose by detail exactly what were the reasoning behind it. But the other four that voted against it, they were very clear on the, it's a use that is not compatible with the zone, that we already permitted in different zones, so we're not being like, not just allowing the use in the entire city. We have already specific areas, and because they want more retail uses than service uses.

That to me is the biggest differentiator. It's not necessarily what they're doing, it's the lack of sales tax generating ability from a service.

Okay, any other discussion?

But to me that's kind of a double standard because we just approved like tire shops and mechanic shops and then we're against tattooing but I mean It just seems like that's not gonna be may not be a huge sales tax generator either. So I'm I'll go ahead and make the motion That we can see the request of Dallas Curtis to amend city code section 10-14-24-3-D permitted uses in the Grove interchange subject Sub-district to add use 60 to 95 tattooing to the list of permitted uses within the zone

So that was a motion to approve. So we have a motion by Council Member Lamone to approve. Do I have a second?

I'll second.

All right, second by Council Member Anderson. This will be a roll call vote. We'll start with Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Rogers.

No.

Council Member Lamone. Yes. Council Member Williams. No. Council Member Phillips. No. Okay, it is denied. So on a three to two vote. Thank you.

Maybe just a quick comment. Sure. I mean, I think a tire shop, and we didn't approve the mechanic shop, but if it had been, I'd pay a ton of sales tax to the big O tires on State Street. So I mean, they generate quite a bit.

But it's also having a variety of stores and shops down there, too. And it just reaches out to a different demographic of people. And I think it's good to have a variety.

Okay, thank you. We're moving on to item, you can work out tonight, Director Cardenas, item 9C, public hearing to consider ordinance 2026-24 to consider the request of Hugh and Melissa Hingston, I hope I'm saying that right, to add the residential agricultural overlay, RAO, to approximately 2.18 acres of land located at 1270 North, 580 East, Director.

Thank you, Mayor, Council. I like to offer an outsider perspective of the system that we have here in what I think is the best country in the world. And I love how there's a process and how things have to go step by step. And I love the difference of opinions. and the Community Development Department, we welcome everybody, we listen to everybody, we accept the applications, but I love the process and how decisions come to be, love that. I wish certain other places will copy the system, okay? Having said that, what we have in front of us, Mayor and Council, is a rezone proposal. The applicant, as you mentioned, is Hugh Hinkson and Melissa Hinkson, and they're future property owners, so I don't know if they already bought the property, but this is the property right here. It's the property located... Sorry about that. the property that I'm locating right here in the map, 1270, and this property is about 2.18 acres of land. Right now, the property is in the R120 zone, meaning that in order to build a home, you need to have at least 20,000 square feet of land, and only residential uses are permitted in the zone. That's it. Residential uses permitted in the zone on 20,000. Well, the applicant, there's a home already there, and the applicant owns more land than that, than the 20,000. We have a zone, an overlay zone, something that goes on top of it, that is called the RAO, or the Residential Agricultural Overlay. The Residential Agricultural Overlay can be can be used when the applicants or the property owners would like to have agricultural uses, and I'm talking it includes animal uses. Now, there's requirements, too. There's limits on how many animals you can have. There's limits of what area you can use for agricultural uses, and that's part of the RAO. In this case, the applicant is proposing to use that land for those type of uses. The applicant is, for sure, I think I saw him, he's right here just behind me. We presented this at the Planning Commission. He had the opportunity to explain to the Planning Commission what were specific uses and what he was looking to do with the land, and the Planning Commission for a unanimous recommendation of approval for the application of the RAO into this property.

Thank you. Any questions for Director? Okay, I think the applicant is here. We'll invite him up if you'd like to come up. Or applicants, if you want to both come up.

Is she coming?

I tried.

You got it. Yeah, yeah. It's totally fair. All right. First of all, I'd like to thank the planning team. They have been nothing but professionals. So Daniel and also Jacob Hawkins have been excellent. And so I think it can be a hard job, so I do appreciate that. My name is Hugh Hinkson. My wife's name is Melissa. We have purchased the property. We've been there for maybe just over 30 days. We've been married 17 years. We have five children, ages 12 down to two. We intend to have more. Good luck to us for that one. Our career started at BYU. It moved to Chicago, and it came back a decade ago. So I now work in Lehigh. I'm the chief commercial officer at a company called Pattern. It's e-commerce and tech. We love Pleasant Grove. We've been pulled in that direction for some time. We just moved from Orem. So there is something unique about our family. We don't have any screens in the house outside of a work laptop and two smartphones. And in order to do that, it's not easy, as you might imagine. No computer games, Nintendo games, handheld devices of any kind. And it forces the family to think differently and act differently. We're outside a lot, we read a lot, we spend time together. I guess we have beehives, so I have five hives. We have chickens and a big orchard. We left most of this in Orem. We'll bring some of it here. I can't blame the trees as much as I'd like to. And so having a city like Pleasant Grove that reflects kind of our family culture is really important. And what I noticed this morning when I ran out onto Giddyup and just ran up into the canyon right there, You know, you quickly realize that this city has a lot to offer a family like ours. It has the trail systems, the Valley Vista right behind our house. It has amazing park systems. And it reflects who we are. And the neighborhood reflects who we are. There are six properties in our neighborhood boundaries that have horses and mules and plenty more with chickens and fruit trees. So there's lots of that to be had. The property itself is large, and we bought it on purpose. I wanted Montana, and she wanted to be closer to the school. So here's Montana, if you didn't know. And the intention is pretty simple. Dairy cow would be very, very good for our family. Lots of chickens, a guard goose, we can name it whatever you'd like. There was a pig named Kevin Bacon in the neighborhood before. I think he might have become Bacon at some point. We don't intend to do pigs, but lots of orchards, greenhouse, honeybees, you name it, okay? it's kind of a perfect fit for our family what we want for those that grew up around agriculture i think will understand a couple of the statements i'm going to make caring for living things teaches children empathy hard work responsibility and our children need that as much as our neighborhood needs that too it helps children i think understand what happens when they when they make an action when they throw a rock when they neglect something they learn that things may not survive if they don't take care of them and that's something we need more of as well You know, as Melissa and I were thinking about where to live, it was important for us to live in a place that we felt at home and that we felt like we could be an addition to. And so when we asked for this overlay, we intended to talk to as many neighbors as possible because in the end it affects them as much as it affects us. And so I personally knocked 50 doors. I was able to talk to 42 families. And I talked to everyone that you would assume I talked to, everyone in that exact area. The eight families we couldn't reach, I tried multiple times. I will still find them regardless of the outcome here. Every conversation was respectful and it was really supportive and it was positive. The goal wasn't just to get support, it was to make sure that everyone could be heard. Not everyone attends city council and has that opportunity. So I wanted to afford to them that opportunity to talk to me about any concerns they might have and address those concerns. And if I could sum this into one sentence, I would probably say something like, before I asked for you to trust us, I wanted to make sure that I gained the trust of those that surrounded us. And so for that reason, we went on this endeavor. I can say it condensed two years of getting to know you in about three weeks. I really enjoyed it, and I think it was really important for us as a family and as a father and a wife. Our commitment's pretty simple. We will take care of this property. We will preserve a small piece of Pleasant Grove's agricultural heritage. We will be fantastic neighbors. We will raise children that understand stewardship, hard work, and service. And our hope is this property won't just be a benefit to our family, but it will be a great benefit to the community. I'll close with that. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Council, any questions?

I'm so glad to hear you say what you just closed with. Do you want my kids?

Um, yes, that's the right answer. Just kidding. They're grown. Yeah.

No, no question.

Okay. Thanks for doing it. Thank you. Okay. Uh, this is a public hearing, so I'll go ahead and, uh, open it up to the public. Just again, please state your name and you'll have three minutes. Welcome.

anything like this. I see the people I voted for. It's really awesome. So I like that. I'm Jennifer Goodman. I live, if I look at my deck, I see the Marotte Canal and I see his property. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry.

Oh. For some reason, you want to point out exactly what that means.

All right, so it's OK. Yeah. So when I look out my deck all the time, that's why we live here, because we have a gorgeous view. We can see Payson all the way almost to Bluffdale. And I see Hugh's property, which is full of weeds and an old trailer. and kids that are doing like dirt biking. And so I was thrilled when he came over and told us what he was gonna do. And I have no complaints. I'm happy to look at a cow and his beehives, which I think I see them already. So we're totally supportive. I was really impressed that he came to our house and asked us. Because you know, usually people just do what they wanna do. And I'm okay with a rooster, because I get up really early. So we're just totally in support of, and I've talked to several of my neighbors and they agree. A lot of my neighbors, they call it homesteading. They do their own milk, and they buy some guy's wheat down on the corner and things like that. So I think it's a perfect addition.

Great. Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? Welcome.

Hi there. Joe Ivy. I want to use the pointer to show you where I live, which is right here. And I think the big... We're looking at this right here, right? And so that's my backyard. My one neighbor, east of me, Chris, he was also heavily in support of this. And I can't agree more with everything Hugh said. And I just met my new neighbor who's also looking down on me, watching me play banjo back there. I think that Hugh did a great job of explaining this, but if I have a choice of a lot of weeds, right, or putting in, squeezing in another home there, because we know we could easily do that, I know the previous owners tried to do that, or putting our hands in the dirt and gardening and having these animals, this neighborhood is my neighborhood. Some of the neighbors might, tell you otherwise, but my folks owned the property since the 90s. My sister raised her kids, and now I have mine and my children, and I know all of our neighbors. We already have chickens. I watched the horses from Mickelson's Farm, which is just down the street. They pass my office every day. It's not a... theoretical change of use for this particular part of pleasant grove like it's it's what we are um so i don't know i don't i don't think i have to get existential and talk about like let's bring more um gardening carbon sequestration like i'm still in the shock from covid right of like do you remember trying to buy toilet paper and like so i have a new neighbor neighbors who are fabulous and they want to bring a cow and chickens and garden and um yes i vote for that i want this guy to be my neighbor let him go so thank you thank you anyone else oh it's a race okay welcome

I was playing with my kids all day.

You're dressed smartly for the weather.

Perfect. My name is Dani Ward. We live in this house that is right next to it. We have moved to Pleasant Grove four times because we love it. We've been in and out of Pleasant Grove. We leave it, and then we're like, oh, but we love that. So we're going to go back. And part of the reason we love it is because of the variety. We love that there's agriculture. We love that there's homes. We love the variety. There is a farm that's down the street from us.

The Mickelsons.

The Mickelsons. And our kids love it. They love to go down and see the horses and they love to go down and just understand, understand life when you have houses, It's hard to explain things as a parent, but when you get to go and bee in it and see it, Hugh offered on Sunday, my kids are like, we wanna see the bees, and he's like, come on over, I got a bee suit for you. And for them to be able to go and explore and get hands-on education is so different than the education that comes sitting in a school watching it on a screen. So we're in favor of it. We love it.

I'm in favor with my wife, too.

Yes, I am. Awesome, thank you.

Thanks. Okay, yeah, thank you, we got you. Welcome.

Hi, I'm Lauren Jardine. I also live in Pleasant Grove, but not close enough to have this impact me very much. I live just behind the chapel over off of 1100 North and 850 East. And so I can kind of look down and see the trail sometimes and I'm actually here more as a character reference for the Hinkson's because I've known them for a few years. Our kids go to school together and I can tell you that he walks the walk. Like I have seen their yard, I have seen their trees and they are meticulous and he is an incredible gardener. And he can tell you all the right trees to plant and when to plant them and what, you know, all the things. So I'm jealous that he's not my neighbor. But I think if you're worried at all about someone coming in here with a bunch of grand ideas, like he has done so much work on his own house and even volunteered to help me with stuff that I've neglected out of the kindness of his heart. So really fantastic neighbors that I think Pleasant Grove is very blessed to have as part of our city.

Thank you. Anyone else?

One more.

Okay.

welcome my name is steve bodine i am on the other corner of their property right so right across the street from them and my wife alan and i have lived in pleasant grove for 33 years we were over kind of down on the west side of there so we've seen lots of changes happen pleasant grove We looked to move a few years ago, and we couldn't leave, right? I love Pleasant Grove. I love it a lot. I grew up in Illinois, came out here, fell in love with Pleasant Grove, decided to stay. So far, we've really enjoyed having them as neighbors. We are all for the changes that they want to make on that property. I was really excited. They actually came by the other night and introduced his kids to us. And we'd already met them a number of times, but they brought me honey. One of my favorite things in the world is a peanut butter and honey sandwich. Amen. So I'm very excited for the bees and everything on there. So, you know, there's a great heritage, you know, the city of trees right here. He plans to plant a lot of trees, which we love. We did ours in our other house just in Pleasant Grove for a long time. So, again, we're really excited to have him here. and I think this should be approved because I think they'll be great neighbors.

Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? Welcome.

Matt Bream, I live directly east. I'm all for this. We want agriculture in our community. We want something that's not an eyesore. Put in whatever you want. Bring all the bees. We'll take it all.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? All right, with that said, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing for tonight on this item and bring it back up here. Council, if you have any other questions for Director or on to your motion, I'm just curious how this might go. Okay.

Mayor, I would love to make a motion. Can I ask a question first, Diana? Hold on, we got some questions.

Yeah, can I ask a question first? Easy, easy there. Council. Well, first of all, I think I'm ready to vote for Hugh Hickson as the new mayor.

Oh, okay. There you go.

We love Eric. But, you know, I appreciate when residents reach out to solve their own problems, and that's to be commended. So thank you. I just have a question on the residential overlay. What does that mean? What are the parameters? What are the exclusions? Can we bring in wild buffalo? Just help us understand kind of the overall skill.

Thank you. The overlay was created with the intention of allow agricultural uses, and they come with animal uses. In order to use this overlay, you have to deduct the area where the single family is, and then you can only use the area that is not occupied by a dwelling.

Really just overlaying that, I guess that's the North.

Yeah, so there's a formula, a way to calculate, and based on that acreage that is left, because the minimum is two acres, but you can apply this to five, six acres as big as, but the minimum is two acres. So there's a formula that we have in the zone that tells exactly how much can be occupied for agricultural uses. Having said that, there's limits on the number of animals depending on the size and the type of the animal. There's a number of... We have them in different bovidi. That means cows and chickens. Well, chickens is a different category. We have chicken.

It tells you the same form.

Yeah, we have the same for chickens, cows, for horses, which is equinae. Hopefully I'm not butchering the Latin name. Equine. Equine. We have all these different categories, but there's limits based on the area. It's specific to the parcel and it also allows for the growth of vegetables and plants and stuff like that. Yeah, I don't know if that answers some of your concerns or questions. Council Member Rogers has a question.

Council Member Williams, I know you were kind of joking about llamas, but they are actually permitted in the zone. It says you can have any combination of 15 goats, sheep, llamas, or similar animals per net usable agricultural acre. Okay. So they can have llamas if they want.

Okay.

Council Member Rogers.

That was, that's perfect. So thank you.

Llama milk.

So my question maybe is for Tina and Daniel. So what is the, is this changed in perpetuity? Because obviously we've heard a lot of positive things about what Hugh wants to do. I think it sounds awesome. Sounds great. I've got two acres. I've got pigs and goats and horses on my farm, on my apple orchard. We may have to look at that. I think it's great. But my question is, does the overlay zone then exist in perpetuity no matter who owns it? Yes.

It runs with the land. It runs with the land.

Yes.

Yeah.

Until someone comes in and asks to have it removed and rezoned to something else.

That would have to be the landowner.

It would have to be the landowner. Okay.

That's it, that was the only question. All right, Diana, I think we're ready for you.

Okay, and as also a chicken and bee owner, I am gonna make a motion that we approve ordinance 2026-023. Nope, sorry, wrong one. 2026-024.

I'll second. We have a motion by Council Member Anderson. Do I have a second?

I'll second that.

Second by Council Member Williams. This will be a roll call vote. Council Member Phillips.

Yes.

Council Member Williams. Yes. Council Member Lamone.

Yes.

Council Member Rogers.

Yes.

And Council Member Anderson.

Yes.

It's unanimous. There we go.

Congratulations. And thank you, neighbors, for coming out and speaking up.

and working together.

Thank you, Daniel. We'll let you go down and relax. Okay. We have no other action items ready for vote. Tina, I don't think we have any other items to discuss. I think we are covered them all. Is that correct?

We do not. I think we're done.

Okay. Um, are we discussion of August the way where he did that one, uh, mayor and council business, uh, council member Lamone, do you have anything?

Oh, Scott's not here, so no, I'll just, I'll wait. Oh, actually, just thanks to Public Works and Parks, the departments who are out there in the heat every day, I mean, it's bad. It's really, really bad this year. I've lived here my whole life and I don't remember a summer where it's consistently been this hot every single day and it's just such a dry, So thank you. I know you guys are out there up until 10 30 at night now. So, and the parks as well, trying to keep up on everything. So I really, really appreciate that. And I know that's a hard long day for them. So thank you.

Awesome. Thank you. Council member Rogers.

Well, it's just been great to be back. And I really do appreciate that we can count on our staff to give us good information on such short notice. Sometimes we have questions, and that makes a big difference for us. And yeah, I really appreciate it. Thank you.

Councilmember Anderson? Councilmember Phillips?

Uh, similar comment as, uh, Sid Limone, as far as just thinking our, our law enforcement and, and fire doing the same thing, long hours, late nights, I'm sure those vests and the suits are not, uh, AC and, and even hearing the stories of what they've done recently in our community, just, uh, the emotional stress and the contribution that they make to our community and wanna publicly appreciate them.

awesome thank you councilman williams i don't all right um i don't have anything except for after we close the the meeting i think you two two wonderful ladies sitting here on the front row if you have any questions all you can come forward and talk to me if you have any questions because we had open session i'm not sure if you took the opportunity but you can come up and talk to me if you have any questions um with that said i'll entertain a motion to adjourn

May I make a motion? No, go ahead. Make a motion that we adjourn. And I will second, but also I am going to get a tattoo at some point of a strawberry patch somewhere and a Viking head. Somewhere. Somewhere.

You're not going to get it down in the Grove, I'm just saying.

Do I have one now? Maybe. I guess I'll never know. And I will get it in the Grove.

We have a motion by Council Member Anderson and a second by Council Member Lone. Do I have all those in favor?