Police Accountability Board Agendas - Regular Meeting

Welcome to the welcome to the Police Accountability Board April meeting. I wanna read some instructions first. Evacuation instructions, 1st Floor Hearing Room. In the event of an emergency, please use the exit doors to your left and right, and in the back of the room, follow the exit signs to the outside. As you exit, please move to a safe location away from the building for your safety, and allow emergency response personnel uninterrupted access.

Please do not reenter the building until instructed. If you need special assistance, please inform us now. Thank you. The first order of business is the approval of the meeting minutes from 03/04/2025.

I guess I'll move to approve. I'll move to approve the minutes of the elections.

Second. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. The next is the discussion with law enforcement agencies. The agencies would like to step up, please. There's no specific order. You can go in any order you like, please.

I don't have anything. I don't know if you guys had something.

No. This is just my first meeting. I'm taking over for sergeant Corey Bourne. So I'm sergeant Andy Alger with Frederick City Police, and I'm the new internal affairs sergeant.

Jeff Hyatt with the sheriff's office. I do not have any specific points. I was just here if there are any questions.

Hey, chief. I wanna thank you for putting me in touch with deputy sheriff Colby. Unfortunately, our schedules have been like this. So last time I checked, he's it.

Okay.

So if you could just reach out to him and and ask him to get ahold of doctor Chandler.

What was his last name? Kobe.

Kobe. I think it was sergeant Rector that I talked to. Did he

He gave me a name of Kobe.

I think he actually live in the city. So do you guys have a Kobe? Who's your traffic unit guy?

Maybe Cody?

Okay. It sounded like Kobe. It's his fault.

I'll take it.

Yeah. We're we're playing phone tag. Okay. You know, we're both sucking water through five fire hoses and there's another couple of trucks pulling up from me. Just let him know that I still need to talk to him. All it is about traffic and speeding in the neighborhood.

I'll reach out to

him. Appreciate it.

Any Board members have any questions? The officers?

I just I just wanted to say that going forward, and I think we've had this discussion in our meetings before, like like we did before, Generally, we'll have a topic that we will discuss with you, and I'll get the topic from the chair, or we'll get questions from the board in advance to send to you so that you can come with proper answers and aren't kind of blindsided not knowing or having to get back to you. So, at our future quarterly meetings, again, we'll go back to making sure you have advanced information of what they would like to talk about, the board would like to talk about.

Well,

just so you don't waste your time coming down here, could you give us each of you give us an update on how how well staffed you are at this point?

So for the sheriff's office, staffing has been roughly consistent. I think the highest number I remember for sworn personnel was, like, in the one eighty five range. I think right now, we're around, like, one seventy to one seventy five off the top of my which has been consistent for the past few years.

For the city, I believe we're sitting roughly at about 140. We have an academy coming up in July. So they're doing backgrounds right now, but it's looking as if we should, be able to be fully staffed once that academy starts.

We are at one five as in 15. We've got one in the academy, and we're doing an interview process right now. So we've actually got some good candidates that we're excited about. So, hopefully, we'll be fully staffed here in the next year.

How long are your academies?

Frederick City's academy is about seven and a half months. Okay. And then after that, we do twelve weeks of field training. So it's it's about a year, ten ten months, eleven months before an officer by the time they start to the time that they're actually on the street by themselves.

Great. Thank you. I I never knew that. Thank you.

The sheriff's office does not have their own academy. We will reach out to other agencies that do including Frederick City, Howard County, Washington County, Carroll County, depending on who has an academy running that time and who has availability. But same process, roughly six to seven months and then a field training period.

Let me get into the weeds a little bit. And you don't have to give me specifics, but is there, like, a a bilateral agreement that you guys have with the other police agencies to do that? And then is is there a requirement for funding?

So I'm not directly involved with that, but my understanding is that, yes, we have agreements, MOUs

Mhmm.

Between counties or agencies, and that that does involve reimbursement for a number of spots. So example, sending three deputies to Howard County might be different than sending five. We're gonna pay some level there.

And tracking. Thank you.

I can tell you we used our guys go to the Fredericks Academy, and they tell us that they're gonna charge us. But, hopefully, Chief Lando isn't watching because they haven't for the last couple of years. But

So much for nixing that one on the stand.

Well, actually, to be honest, our guys at one time people would start in Brunswick, and they would lateral to either the sheriff's office or Frederick City after a couple of years. Luckily, that hasn't happened in a little bit. But I think they take that into consideration when we have to keep doing backgrounds and starting people out. And so I think there's a little bit of leeway knowing that that happens.

Copy. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it.

Anybody else? Thank you.

Thank you.

The next item on the agenda is proposed bill to amend the PAB and the ACC. Councilman Duckett.

Thank you all. I'm gonna invite the mayor and council member Russell to join me at the table. Mayor O'Connor. I'm sorry. So as you all are aware, we met.

I came to you all on March 4 with some changes to the PAB and ACC. One of the things that you all recommended during that meeting was to change section. Sorry. The composition section c in items two, and so that was changing to be a county resident to include a, two residents of the city of Frederick, one resident of the city of Brunswick, one resident of the town of Thurmont, one resident who was black or African American, and one resident who is a first or second generation immigrant. At that time, I think a part of the conversation that you all were having was to figure out why this language existed.

And so after the bill or I guess after the bill was released, before we workshopped the bill, I received a number of emails from the mayor of the city of Frederick, mayor of Brunswick, Nathan Brown, and then a joint letter from the mayor of the city Frederick city of Frederick, Brunswick, and Thurmont. And then we also received correspondence from council member Kelly Russell. And so we are here today to have a discussion around that language. Everything else in the bill, I think, was pretty straightforward. This was the only thing that I would say presented some heartburn.

And so I, would like for you all, to first explain, the rationale behind why, you wanted this language, stricken and then, allow the mayor and the council member to share, some perspective and and history if is okay.

So if I may, I'll start because I'm the one that said that from my perspective, it didn't reflect the demographics or the geography of the county. I in no way meant that we would take out any of these others. I thought that I was suggesting that we add to it to make sure that we covered the diversity, if possible, of the county and the geography of the county. And so that's where I sent you the proposal that would say that Fairmont, Frederick City, Brunswick would put forth their citizens' nominations, however that works. And I don't really know exactly how that works.

But however that works, it can continue to do how it's been working. And then the rest of the board composition would reflect the diversity in the geographic the geographics of the county. And that was my intent. And so I just wanted to clarify what my intent was at the March 4 meeting.

And so this, in particular, did not I think the conversation started with Reverend Chandler. He was the initial person that brought this up. And so, reverend Chandler, if you would like to explain. But I did get your email in the language that you proposed.

Copy that. Ladies and gentlemen, any and all documents that are produced and ratified are living documents. We cannot and should not live in a relegated past. Our our perspective, and I'll say my perspective on this, is inclusivity. Mayor, during Black History Month, you made it a very clear point that DEI will not go away under your watch.

Watch. And taking that into into very serious understanding, that also helped drive some of the language that is in here. Now I will also say that not all of this is possible. You can get pretty close to it. And I think from both sides of the aisle, we need to look at how we can be more inclusive with our communities, our leadership, our police departments from the youngest to the old.

And the whole intent behind this was driving inclusivity in a positive mannerism. About four, approximately four years ago when this was developed, there were individuals that just weren't identified for whatever the reason. Non exposure, negative exposure, whatever it may be. And and now we're we're looking at API, we're looking at the Muslim community, we're we're looking at LGBTQI. And we need to make sure that when we start recruiting individuals to be sitting on these boards that we have made a we have made a a an attempt beyond simplicity to ensure that our communities know that any and all are welcome.

Are there restrictions? Always. Always. We we don't want a sex offender, a a five time drug smuggler to be sitting up here. I'm just gonna say it, I don't. So there there has to be restrictions. We need to make sure that there are not conflict of interest, rightfully so. And that that was, you know, my my attempt in trying to get language that we could all we could all be comfortable with. I don't do politics. I understand it, but I don't do politics.

And so whatever we need to do to get this over the goal line, let's do it and let's let's do it in the utmost spirit of humanity and and friendly partnership. Councilman, thank you.

We'll have the mayor to share some, I guess, historical content.

Well, thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity. I appreciate the clarification on some of the origins of of the conversation. Without being a party to any of those discussions. All we saw was language.

They proposed that the specific representation from the city of Frederick, city of Brunswick, and Thurman would be removed as a part of these changes. I completely agree that we need all of our boards and commissions to the greatest extent that we possibly can, just like we need our elected officials and our workforces to represent the communities in which we are asked to to govern and to work and to serve. And, the conversations, I think, are important because, these words, diversity, equity, inclusion, are being mis defined by those who wish to use them as weapons instead of the intent behind those words, which is to do exactly the things that you're talking about, ensuring that everyone in the community is welcome at the table and will be invited to the table. And when we were involved in the city of Frederick back at the beginning of this process along with Thurmont and Brunswick, we were enormously grateful to the work that county executive Gardner was doing at that time to pull this together. Because we had the benefit of watching how this process was unfolding in other counties where there were municipal police forces, and those municipal police forces were not being consulted.

Those elected officials in those communities were not being asked to be a part of that process. The state laws that was originally constructed set this up as a instrument of the county, And we believe that it was important that the municipal representatives have a place to sit on the police accountability board and are grateful that the county executive agreed with us. And I think I participated in an interview that may have in some way placed every one of you into these seats because that is the other thing that the county has done in this process. It's been so strong in my view, is they've invited the city of Frederick, the city Of Brunswick, and the city of Thurmont to participate in that interview process. So it's not just participation on paper.

It's real inclusion from a municipal perspective into the selection of the members of the PAB. And so we've been grateful for our partnership over the last four or so years and look forward to continued collaboration with the county on this process and want this accountability process to be absolutely the best that can be on behalf of the unique communities that are being policed in Thurmont, Brunswick, and in Frederick along with Frederick County. So I'm I'm here to to be a a a resource in whatever way that I can, but I appreciate very much your service. None of these jobs that people are asked to do are are easy, And they never are as straightforward when you look at it at the beginning to when you actually get into it and start to do the work. So I appreciate what you do in in being involved and know that the objective is to make the work that we do in this county from governing to policing as strong as it can possibly be.

So thank you.

Just just a retort. I'm I'm retired military twice, I understand the chain of command. And, I'm gonna take the hit on this. I didn't know how the chain of command worked, so we were having a discussion. And I had, along with other members, had just made a statement to make clarification. There was no intent whatsoever to disrespect any person or any position. And if it was taken that way, I'm gonna take the hit for it. Yeah. I'll probably take it. I just didn't know how the chain of command worked within, you know, government.

Like I said, I understand politics. I just don't do it. But again, please accept my humble apologies if anything was taken out of context. My dear friend, I apologize if if you got clipped by the the special school bus.

Definitely not necessary at all. Yeah. As I told you all then and I'll tell you now, I I I represent you all, and so you came to me with an ask, and I followed through. And that's why we're having this conversation tonight, and so I think the process is working out the way it's supposed to.

And I don't take any disrespect because as councilmember Duckett said, I think that not all of you may have been here at the beginning of those conversations. And sometimes what happens over time is the whys behind why we do what we do gets lost in time. And I think it's important. That's why the record the written record becomes so valuable, and that's why we're willing to be here to help to provide that continuity and hope that five years from now or ten years from now or twenty years from now, when none of us are here and there are different people sitting in all these seats that that continuity continues. And if there is a conversation at that time to change how we're doing it, then we're not wedded to a past that may not exist anymore, but we understand how we got to where we are.

And when we change, we're changing with all of the information we have at our disposal through time up until today. So I I I take no disrespect. I found it it's been a few years, and it's probably a good idea that we're now having some conversations that are expanding an understanding about why the Police Accountability Board exists, the work that they do, why it's important in our community, and that's never a bad thing.

Mister chairman, I appreciate those comments. I remember when this came about because I was watching the state legislation, which I've said many times. I wasn't even in favor of. That's why I wanted to be on here. But if I recall and I think it still is we have one of the largest police accountability boards in terms of the numbers of appointees.

Because at the time it was crafted, as the mayor just alluded to, county executive Gardner agreed to add seats to the normal eight, seven or eight that the other counties were doing to accommodate the municipalities. And then the other thing that kind of caught me by surprise, as you know, I rarely miss a meeting, but I miss March 4. And I promise I will not miss that opportunity again. I thought, what are we doing? This is county board.

I thought, what are we doing in the middle of that trying to change the rules of a board that we sit on? And I consider myself an appointee if the county council and the county executive want to change the way the board is apportioned, that's fine. But I thought, what are we doing in the middle of that? We have opportunities for input. But again, I don't want to stymie that, but I just got caught by surprises as to are we creating or changing our own board. So, that's all I had.

I think the suggestion is, and truly, when, let me back up a minute. When this was created, they were trying to do the diversity, equity and inclusion for everybody, the representation. As the board prog, progress as it goes forward, when we have replacements, you can't say, oh, now we need somebody from Emmonsburg because we didn't have anybody from there before. That kind of stuff. We want the diversity that's in this county to be on the board.

So I think whatever come, we come up with has to be flexible because each year as you keep replacing these people, you're gonna have more of that input. And I don't know if there's a perfect answer for that. I think this was a good start, what Jan did. Trying to be more inclusive. That's my comment.

So, what would the ask be at this point? And what would the process be at this point if we wanted to change anything? Not that I'm suggesting it, I just wanna know where we are.

So we we had a workshop on the bill. It will come back for a first reader in early May. So at this point, I can make any changes that I desire and then bring it back for the first reader in May. So I think the the will of the county council- after hearing from our municipal leaders is to leave it the way it is- but again. I made it very clear that. This was an ask from the PAB. And if it is your will to go back to the original language, then I will do just that.

I'll say from my perspective, and I I think I can safely say this on behalf of the mayors of of Brunswick and and Thurman as well. The language that was, incorporated to sort of speak to the demographic diversity of the county and making sure that that was represented in the board, I certainly don't think we would have any objection to seeing that language change. Our desire is to preserve that there are two members of this board that are residents of the city of Frederick, that there is one who is a resident from Thurman, and there is one who is a resident from Brunswick. That is what matters the most to us. I think the other conversation about that diversity and that makeup, I think, is something that we would certainly not have any objections to.

And I'll just add also thanks again for having us here. But just to mention that the city of Frederick is 85,000 residents. And so there is a great deal of opportunity for all of these populations to be represented by those two positions as well. We just feel that it's important that our department, which functions differently in our community than other agencies do in their communities, that the variety of police interactions be accounted for. And so I think that by doing that, you're not excluding, you're not minimizing your opportunities for DEI. I I think you're actually helping to ensure some of it.

So my question again, forgive me for my collegiate inquiries here. But I'm I'm on page three and I I see where the redactions were taking place in 01/08 to the extent practical, the membership of the board shall reflect the the racial, gender, and cultural diversity of the county as well as representation from communities that experience a higher frequency of interactions with law enforcement. I think the insertion of b expounds on that to cover mayor what what you were talking about. But at the same time, it it doesn't give the numerical value that you spoke of of having x number coming out of. And I think that's an easy I I think we're all on the same same accord.

It's just that we we just have to tweak the language. And so if if the inclusion of what you were speaking of, the exact number, I I'm not opposed to that at at all, especially considering we're keeping the bolded aspects from lines seven through 16, intact. We we just go ahead and dress it up.

So lines 10 through, I guess, 15 is what was being struck from the language.

Why?

That's what you asked initially. And so and which one are you looking at?

Where where yeah. Where are you?

I'm on page three. Maybe I am wrong.

Page three.

I'm on page two.

Three is membership.

It's on page one.

Three is administrative charging committee. Okay.

Wanna look at

the CACC.

You're looking at the composition?

I am looking at this is dated the twenty second. I'm sorry. My date on this is probably older than what you have. The I don't have the draft. That's that's the problem. I apologize.

Page. Okay. So on the initial conversation was to remove be a county resident to include two residents of the city of Frederick, one resident of the city of Brunswick, one resident of the town of Thurmont, one resident who is black or African American, and one resident who is first or second generation immigrant. What I have heard and what I am hearing is that we will in now include the language to the extent practical and the membership of the police accounted ability board shall reflect the racial, gender, and cultural diversity of the county, be a county resident to include keeping that language? Yes. It's what I'm hearing.

Yes. Mister mayor?

That's what we would ask. Yes. We appreciate that. Thank you.

Yeah.

Well, I'll make a motion to go ahead and include that language just so that we can move forward appropriately. And I do wanna add, I think it's probably likely that most of our applicants are gonna come from one of those, well, certainly from Frederick and probably from some of the bigger bigger towns. And so we're probably gonna be able to meet it anyway, but we're not required to meet we're we're not required to hire more people from those areas, and so we can geographically expand as our applicants come in. That's that's the difficulty is we get whatever applicants we get, and we only get so many, recommendations.

Right. Yeah. And and in any policy making, you you wanna establish a a level of of I don't I don't wanna call it that. You wanna establish a high level of resilience and responsibility in the writing. You're right.

We may not get any representation of any of these from wherever, but we've established a precedent saying that we are open to it and we have it in writing. So understand what you're saying, understanding the policy development world, we capture the concept of it and we do what we're doing tonight. We come in and have a meeting of like minded, respectable individuals individuals to to get get to to a a conclusion. Conclusion.

But we don't receive the applicants. We're the appointees. The county receives the applicants and the committee makes the recommendation to the county executive for the appointments. We don't receive any

We do interview them.

For the

ACC? For the ones we're responsible for, but generally

We get all the applicants every time to review and recommend to the executive who we'd like the executive to up to appoint. But she they make the decision except for the few that we get to sort of vote on.

But when I interviewed for the board, I didn't interview with this

Yep. That's because it didn't exist.

I interviewed with the committee.

It didn't exist.

Turn your mic on, Shane.

Yeah. But.

I will not miss another meeting.

Turn your mic on, Shannon.

Only interview the people. Sorry. As was already said, we can only interview the people that apply. Right. In other words, I wonder

what if nobody else from Thurmont applied.

Well, then we won't have anybody from Thurmont. You know, I mean, and you have to understand every year there's gonna be a hiring process for this board because people drop off every year. Where now everybody this year now, everybody's on a three year term. And that's correct, isn't it?

I just wanted to clarify because it sounded I I was getting a little confused. For the PAB members, p a you you don't get the applications for the PAB members. It the the CE because they are county executive appointments and then approved by the council. She gets the PAB applicants. You the PAB, when it comes time for the administrative charging committee, you will get you get their applications and can interview them. Well, sounds like they can ignore us. As a whole your group as a whole does not have any you you don't get to interview the PAB applicants. That's strictly the CE's appointments. I just wanted to I just wanted

to clarify that. So I I appreciate that, Sarah. But I have two places that I I would like clarification. One is when the mayor when the police departments how how do the police departments make their recommendations to the county exec?

The recommendations actually come from the mayors. The mayors are the participants in that interview process, mayor Brown, mayor Kinneard, myself along with the county executive.

Okay. So can they can each like, so could you have recommended somebody from the city? And they would have applied.

I I could have. The way this has worked in the past is the county handles the advertising that they are now soliciting Right. For applicants for the Police Accountability Board. And those applications are received and processed however they're they're that that works. What what we would understand, and we deal with this in the city with certain boards that we have that have makeup requirements who needs to be on there, part of the the staff conversation through that process is these are where we're in need of individuals in order to fulfill the statutory requirements of the makeup of the board.

And so I would assume that during that process, everyone from the city of Frederick, for example, is gonna muster off in that cycle and none of those individuals wanted to be reappointed, then that interview process for those vacancies at that time would have to skew heavily towards finding those municipal representatives in order to fill those spots as the it it it is a a logistical problem, but it is not a hurdle that cannot be surmounted.

Okay. Thank you for clarifying for me. The other clarification is that if we're going to say that if we're going to vote on something or we're going to recommend something, I would like to have what you said Kate repeated so that we can look at it in writing. So that when we say, I move to do this, and somebody seconds it, we know exactly the kind of language that we're talking about and what's going to go what Councilman Duckett's going to take back. Because I really don't want any misunderstanding.

As a mediator, clarity and seeking clarification is super important to me. And so I would really like to see, rather than just say, oh, yeah, that sounds good. Let's do that. I'd like to know what the it is that we are doing and what we're actually anybody have that language that we just sort of developed anywhere?

The language is the language in the proposal we got before thank you, recommendation that we remove section, let's see, section one two eight zero two composition c one c two a, b, and c. That's what we were removing, right, reconsider and just recommend that Section two be continued in the Would it Recommend that the county go ahead and use the language it originally used, that particular language that they originally used.

Would it be see, I don't know what that original language was. So

I just read it.

Yeah. But okay.

County be county residents to include two residents.

Of Frederick City, the one resident of City Brunswick, one resident of the city the I'm sorry. Town of of Thurmont, one resident who is black, African No. No. No?

I think I'll I think all they were requesting.

I I heard that we were bringing everything back, and so it would be that entire section would remain.

Plus F. Plus I would suggest an F to make sure that it's clear that if possible, our preference would be to make sure that we are reflecting the diversity and geographic diversity of our county.

So that's added in one. If you sorry, hold on.

Be at least 21 years of age, residents of Frederick County, legal residents or citizens of The United States, and registered voters? To me, that doesn't say what I'm trying to say, does it? Am I Give

me one second. Be at least 20 composition number one, be at least 21 years of age, resident of Frederick County, legal resident of The United legal resident or citizen of The United States, and registered voters to the extent practical, I think this is the section that you were mentioning, the membership of the police accounting board shall reflect the racial, gender, and cultural diversity of the county is the the the language in it.

Does that mean you'd like to add geological? Geographical. Sorry. I was like. Rocks.

Rocks are fine. I would because I think that that

Culture.

I mean,

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna die on that sword. Okay? But I would. I would. But I'm not gonna die on it.

It won't

have to add put it there instead of as an f.

Yeah. Would sure.

Yes. That would be fine. Sorry. Instead of an F, right.

G

O. See on my copy, it doesn't say that extra

To the extent of pricing.

Doesn't say that. It just goes into B County residents to include, and it's got ABCD and E in my copy. So it'd be nice if we were all working on the same same copy.

That they gave us with the additional language in it. So maybe you're looking at the

I don't have it. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. Because I am confused as well, and I didn't mean to cut you off, sir, but go ahead.

Before there's a motion made, tell me what happened on March 4. The count the county councilman came with

This proposal.

Recommended changes.

With this recommended changes.

We got involved in a discussion. Mhmm. Was there a motion made or anything back to him or he just took the conversation and made some changes?

So the all of the changes that were discussed on March 4 are what were implemented in the language. The I came forward with the proposed changes that I and then Sarah had worked on back in, I think I told you all, early twenty two, twenty three, something like that. In that conversation, one of the things that came out of that was this change that we were talking about right now. And so, that's how we got here.

Okay. So, it sounds like It was. There was a reaction. And as he said probably twenty minutes ago, we got pushed back. We're gonna we're gonna leave it the way it is. I'm happy with Why do we need to get involved any further? It's not our law. It's their law.

Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna Well, a good a good piece of of governance for us now so that we're looking at a number of our boards and commissions and it's this whole thing with us without us. Right? We do not wanna talk about boards and commissions without coming to the folks who are doing the work on our boards and commissions. That's how this ended up in front of you, and that's how this conversation started. So I don't think there is I think you are well within your right to to to if you want to make a motion, I don't think that it's necessary. But for k. But but for to work for you all, I am fine with you all making a motion. I've already know I have my marching orders and what we're gonna add. Everything is gonna remain the same.

We're gonna add one word. And so I'm I'm okay with that. I mean, if you all want to make a motion, I'm not gonna tell you all what to do, but it's completely up me. Motion.

So Completely up clarification before we go down a rabbit hole. For one, yeah, we may not be sitting on the board to direct policy, but I, for one, have a voice, and I'm gonna exercise it. Whether I call the individuals at this table or I run into them on the street, I have a voice. I have a voice about what happens in this nation. I may not be sitting in the White House.

I may not be sitting in congress, but I have a vote. I have a voice and I have a vote. And if we fail to speak up about any injustice or irregularities, we are at fault. And I'm not one to take a hit because I didn't speak up. That's just Joe Chandler.

Okay? The other part of this, there is some confusion on what we're actually looking at because what my colleagues are looking at is a draft. I have the original county council policy that was enacted 04/26/2022, effective June 25, expired in 06/13/2022. So there's a disconnect.

The and I think that's because at the March 4 meeting, we were actually I wouldn't have this if we weren't given it at the March 4 meeting. And it's the draft proposal proposal that Cavante brought to the board Right. Mhmm. With the lang new language in it.

Correct.

So

So I don't

during the discussion of that new amendments those amendments, apparently, you both expressed what you had to express, and we voted on it. Yeah.

And and after looking at this since our last meeting, if you look at the the the 2022 language that is in there, it's more inclusive than what we said. I mean, it's it's bolded. It it takes out some old irregularities, but it's pretty solid. So if you can get your hands on on that one, we we may be chasing a rabbit unnecessarily.

Maybe. You would have to show me what you're looking at. I I mean, I This

is this

is good.

This is

You wanna take this? I won't give you the whole book because it's

No. No. No. And I'll just show

I'm not sure about that.

But what was given on March 4 is what is currently in the code. I'm not sure. This may that is probably the draft legislation before it was final, I am imagining, but I I I don't know.

So he's talking about seven through

16 to 15 there. Yeah. That's

So, Kate, did you just say there was a vote at the March 4 meeting? There was.

There was a Yes. And it it was recorded so you can go see what we said.

I will follow-up, but it is my understanding that this was the original proposed language and this

is

not amended bill twenty two zero nine. I don't I don't think this is the the final language that passed the council, but I will

You want me to give you the whole packet? No. I don't mind.

No. I I I got you. I got you.

You can you can have that copy or that that page if you need.

We're good.

Well at any rate. I am withdrawing my motion. So. Somebody else can move forward if they so desire.

I think I have the marching orders. We are Good with the language adding geographical.

Take a look at that page that you just looked at. That answers the mail on all the courts. I mean, it it is very, very explicit of inclusion. And it didn't miss a beat.

Got it.

See, here's again.

Any other questions for us? Seeing

I think we need not not conversations between board members. In other words, one one. Because otherwise, we're gonna go down the hole that we don't wanna get out.

And I think we we we got the message loud and clear.

So I was about to say.

I'm I'm good if you all are.

The the people at this table are very astute. So if this was a collegiate exam, you all would get golden stars. I'm sorry, that's elementary. You all. It held me past these scores.

So before we get up from the table, do wanna thank the mayor and the council member for for joining me and for making sure that we're able to have these conversations, you know, that that is beneficial for all of our residents. So I appreciate you both.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you. I would like to thank all of you for coming and letting us know your thoughts and hearing us out. Thank you.

And mister mayor, the Frederick Police Department is a consistent attendee at this meeting, and we appreciate their input very much as is Brunswick and the sheriff's office. Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, here's the events. And the next order of business is the, PAB community engagement, the June events attended. June event attendance. I don't know if everybody has this calendar events was given. June has three events.

The Thai water festival. DST community day at Carol Creek and pride day celebration. So what we're looking for is to see if anybody wants to engage and work those events as a member of the PAB. This is the June June 7, June 22, and June 28.

Those are pretty long events so we would probably need more than one person.

Yes. Mhmm. But what we talked about before was that, somebody would be in charge of a particular event and then recruit other members of the board. In other words, they would make the schedule up.

Here, you can you can look at it. I know we're pretty much.

Mr. Chair, are we Mr. Chairman, are we looking potential of doing the July or the August

dates? We're just talking about June right now, that's all. I'm just

trying to figure out, because I unfortunately have got plans for all those dates in June, but I would certainly be willing to do another date.

Mhmm. Well, we wanna go through the June 1 before we bring up the other dates.

Alright. Thank you.

I'm already gonna be doing some things at Pride so I can organize anybody else who of course, do we have the we kinda have to get the committee together to do the, what are we gonna have at Pride sort of things. So I'm not really volunteering for that. Mhmm. I'm volunteering to staff a table and secure other members. And if we don't get other members to do the tables, we'll only be there a short time, I guess, if that's possible.

I guess it depends on the event. But

Yeah. What I'm saying is I will do pride.

Yes.

I will deal with pride for that.

So the one for the twenty second, is that delta sigma theta?

Yes. Okay. I'll be at that one too probably, but

Are you volunteering for both?

No. I'm I'm there for something else.

Okay.

One of my other hats.

Well,

that can be an answer. I'll let you know. And

I tell my wife I'll get right to it also if that's answer.

Chris, we don't really have a way to communicate with each other.

We don't have a repo. We

have a roster, with the, expiration dates. Oh.

I'll communicate with you on Friday. That's

fine. That's fine.

To, to seek out other people. That's fine. Because then I can always send an email saying who's willing to help and what time and gather that information.

Okay. Then it was asked about the July Asbury Block Party Saint Street. Now we did that last year. That was a very crowded event. We gave out a lot of little lit, literature and so forth. It was well attended as it is every year anyhow.

I'm

willing to do that event.

Can

be at the table at that event. I can work with that.

I was just checking with Madison. The registration for that is closed. They're full. I'm just just checking on that. Yes.

Asbury. Okay. Alright.

And do we want to go any further until August to September, October, or just stay with what we have now?

We've got June.

Mhmm. And

then, obviously, we're not gonna be able to do July because it's closed.

Right.

I I would hold off on anything past July since terms are expiring, and we'll have new appointments in July. So you'll have different people. I know you're in the streets.

Know in the streets, you need to apply. I think it's it used to be by June 1. Okay. If you wanted something. So if we wanna do it in the streets, we need to do that by June 1 to apply. I'm pretty sure.

If that's something that you're interested in, I can look into that and see what the cost of it is. If you think we're gonna have enough interest before and then I'll get the cost of what it is, and we'll go from there.

Thank you.

And then I'll communicate that to everyone by email.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. The next on the agenda is the PAB training, June 26. Do they tell you how many openings they have?

Confirm the date, but it does not say how many openings they have. It just says, one day training will provide an overview for those that support the functions of the Police Accountability Board of the disciplinary matrix process, including the roles and responsibilities of the PAB ACC trial board. It just says it will be held from nine to four. So I don't know how many openings there are, but you have to register online.

Okay. So if anybody's interested, you can register online. And the next item on the agenda is the extended membership terms for trial board members. Currently, trial board only has three members. Is that right?

That is correct. And my suggestion is their terms expired. And initially, when we spoke about the trial boards in the beginning, we wanted to have seven members. Well, we have three. So my my suggestion would be to try to extend their terms for at least another year until we can go into the rules of procedure and properly put together a process for that and maybe longer terms. So extend the my suggestion would be just to extend it for a year. And that's something as I talk to

Mhmm.

Vice president or the chair and the vice chair. Sorry. Chair and the vice chair about extending it, and then we'll we'll come up with a proper because we had discussions on it and how we wanted to handle it, but nothing was ever entered into rules of procedure. So, we're going to work on that.

I'll make a motion to extend the terms for trial board members to one year, an additional year.

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Unanimous The administrative charging committee update and administrative updates. Next on the agenda.

Okay. That will come from me. So for we have terms expiring, of course, for the PAB members, we have Catherine Jones, Shannon Bohr, Anthony Coombsen, and the chair, Dawn Oram. So like I said, my the previous ones, they've been noticed they've been advised if they want to apply to reapply. Also, any member currently sitting up and that's going that even if you're not applying, if there's a possibility that you're interested in being the PAB chair, please let me know so that I can let her know because she will be picking a new chair for this year.

So I will need to know if you're if you're applying or if you're already on the board if you have an interest in in that interest in that so I can let her know. Let's see what else. As far as the administrative charging committee, I we are putting in place we currently have one member well, two members on the administrative charging committee. We will need to the application link has been open since April officially April 7, and it will close on May 6. We've advertising for applicants for the ACC, the PAB, all the trial boards, they're all open.

The PAB has two vacancies. One will be to fill vacancy the remaining vacancy for John Chateau whose term is to expire October 2026. And the other vacancy is for let me see who I'm missing. Kevin. No. That was oh, Teresa. Teresa Bean. So her appointment will be the appointment for that would be to no. Treat is Teresa ours? Or the CPs?

Teresa was just

Teresa is

the Was Teresa is

the PAB. Teresa PAB. Teresa will be hers will be to finish out

what is it? She was just reappointed.

She was

just reappointed. Sorry. I'm I'm trying to catch myself up on this. You'll have to bear with me because it I've had, like, six days to try to remember everything. So, yes, it will be to fulfill it'll fill out the rest of Teresa's term, which will expire in 2020

she was

2020 what? No. Teresa '26. Reappointed. She was reappointed. So

she she's starting a new term. Right?

Theresa Bean has resigned from the ACC, so we will be your her she has a vacancy, and we will have to appoint to fill it. I get it. So it's to finish out the remainder of hers, and then we have John Chateau's. And his his he is no longer on the board either. So it will be out to fulfill his the remainder of his vacancy. So the application links are open. We will have to have another we'll have to schedule a meeting in May to interview potential ACC applicants and then and another meeting in early June to make our appointments.

The last time that we did this, we did the interview process via Zoom. Are we gonna do that again?

That will be correct. It will be administrative, and it will done virtual.

Okay. Have you had many applicants?

As of right now, for the ACC, I have three.

Okay.

As of right now. So they we have until May 6, but we're it will run-in the paper again this Saturday and the following Saturday. It's up on our website. It's been posted up. It's been posted on social media. I have sent it to past applicants. So I'm doing what I can to get it out there. Madison was at an event and took the flyer and was able to pass out several flyers at an event to try to gain more interest.

Thank you.

Thank you. And then let me see what else do I have to give an update Just a reminder, any media inquiries that you if anybody receives any media inquiries, you need to direct them to me because then I need to I will have to get direction from the communications director. And also, I know that the meetings do were changed to the third Wednesday due to other another board and commission meeting on behalf of Madison, but I would like it to go back to the fourth Wednesday. That way, we are able to go back to being live on TV also because right now, we are a secondary meeting because Veterans Advisory Council is being streamed live. We are not.

And I'm just if we go back to then, we're putting your we're getting you out there more. You're being seen live and you're recorded and can be watched on the web. So if that's nobody has an issue with that, I'm going to try and see if we can go back to that.

Does anybody have a issue with that?

I have a conflict with another board.

On the fourth Wednesday?

On the fourth Wednesday. Yeah.

I didn't hear what you said. She has a conflict Oh, okay.

With another Oh,

well. I also can't do virtual stuff, so there it is.

We would you were at

the you did the virtual interviews last time.

Not the last time.

Oh, maybe the one my maybe

the The last time they were all scheduled when I was at work.

Okay. No. This would be scheduled at a regular at a regular 06:00 meeting time.

I would like to say to the board that you know you're going to get a new chair. And it was asking me if I was interested. I am not interested in that position. My position as the vice chair expires this year. We vote for a new one in August. Is that correct?

That's correct.

Yes. So if you're interested, apply. You're not gonna hurt my feelings.

Why are looking at me?

You're next to me, that's why.

A little jumpy, isn't he?

Yeah. Yippee, that's what they call

it. Yeah.

Okay. As to the change to the fourth, I would hold off from that right now.

Okay. That's fine. I that's what I say. I'm just asking.

So we're being recorded but not livestreamed.

You're only livestreamed via Granicus on the web, not on not on Comcast, not on TV. So if somebody logs in to the Frederick County government page, they can watch it through there, but not on TV. I get it.

The last thing on the agenda, well not the last thing, but next is public comment. Any members of the public here like to give any comments? I don't think there's anybody left. Then we have up come upcoming meetings, Wednesday, May 28 is a virtual meeting. And Wednesday, June 18 is an in person meeting. And that has not changed. And in the meantime, you'll check on our events in the streets. To see if we need to register for that.

That is correct. And I will I'll get that information to you.

Mhmm. Other comments from any members?

Just a closing comment. I I wanna personally thank each and every one of you that came out tonight, both those of you that are here and the ones that had to depart due to other obligations. This this is important to all of us and I know how busy your schedules are. I know how how busy mine is. I'm sucking water through five fire hoses and when I get back, got four more.

So from from a a a position of humility and honesty, thank you. I sincerely mean that. This is important so that as we go forward, not only do we establish a precedent, but we also establish a firm foundation for those that will eventually end up replacing us. So Sarah, it's it's so good to see you again. Welcome back.

Thank you.

And, again, thank you all.

Thank you.

What he said.

Yep.