Planning and Zoning Meeting - Regular Meeting

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e e e e Let's uh go ahead and get started what I'd like to do is remind all board members to please click on their button on their microphone where it says push so your microphones light up red recording in

progress thank you let's go ahead and get started I'd like to call uh the meeting to order I'd like to ask everybody to please silence your phones and beepers if you still have any uh good evening this board is comprised of seven members four members of the board shall constitute a quorum and the affirmative vote of four members shall be necessary for the adoption of any motion if only four members of the board are present an applicant May request and be entitled to a continuance to next regularly scheduled meeting of the board if a matter is continued due to a lack of Quorum there chairperson or Secretary of the board May set a special meeting to consider such matter in the event that four votes are not obtained an applicant except in the case of a comprehensive plan Amendment May request a continuance or allow the application to proceed to the city commission without a recommendation pursuant to resolution number 202- one18 the City of Coral Gables has returned to traditional in-person meetings however the Planning and Zoning Board has established the ability has established the ability for the public to provide comments virtually for those members of the public who are appearing on zoom and wish to testify you must be visible to the court reporter to be sworn in otherwise if you speak without being sworn in your comment may not have evidentiary value lobbyist registration and disclosure any person who acts as a lobbyist must register with the city clerk as required pursuant to the city code as chair are now officially call the city of cor Gables planning and zoning board meeting of January 15 2025 to order the time is 6:02 Jill please call the role pres just so I could record Robert bear here hul Gabriel Here Su Alinsky here

Felix cardo here habio Salman chip Withers here abis in sta here notice regarding expart Communications please be advised that this board is a quazi Judicial board which requires board members to disclose all expar communication and site visits an expart communication is defined as any contact communication conversation correspondence memorandum or other written or verbal communication that takes place outside a public hearing between a member of the public and a member of the quazi judicial board regarding matters to be heard by the board if if anyone made any contact with a board member regarding an issue before the board the board member must State on the record the existence of the expart communication and the party who originated the communication also if a board member conducted a site visit specifically related to the case before the board the board member must also disclose such visit in either case the board member must State on the record whether the expart communication and or site visit will affect the board member's ability to impartially consider the evidence to be considered regarding the matter the board member should also state that his or her decision will be based on sub substantial competent evidence and testimony presented on the record today does any member of the board have such a communication and or site visit to disclose at this time no no Mr chairman yes sir I I had a brief communication with I had a brief communication with a gentleman that is a friend of mine and uh uh he mentioned that something was coming up before the board and uh that has no influence whatsoever on on how I would be uh considering that particular application thank you Christina can you just um let us know

which item that related to this would be the uh St Teresa uh school expansion thank you Felix thank you swearing in everyone who speaks this evening must complete the roster on the podium we ask that you print clear clearly so the official records of your name and address will be correct now with the exception of attorneys all persons physically in the city commission Chambers who will speak on agenda items before us this evening please rise to be sworn in is anybody speaking in the CH if you'd please rise to be sworn in thank you uh please let the record reflect that uh Javier soman is President Zoom platform participants I will ask any person wishing to speak on tonight's agenda item to please open your chat and send a direct message to Jill Menendez stating you would like to speak before the board and include your full name Jill will call you when it's your turn I ask you to be concise for the interest of time then phone platform participants after Zoom platform participants are done I will ask phone part platform participants to comment on tonight's agenda item I also ask you to be concise for the interest of time first we have the approval of the minutes of December 17 2024 motion to approve second we have a motion to approve by Robert we have a second by Julio any comments call the rooll please hul Gabriel yes Su Kinski yes Felix Paro yes jaier Salman yes chip Withers yes abat yes the procedure that

we'll use Excuse me Robert beart thank you yes thank you um the procedure that we'll use uh tonight first we'll have the identification of the agenda item by the City attorney then we'll have the presentation by the applicant or its agent followed by the presentation of Staff then I'll go ahead and open it to public comment first in Chambers then the zoom platform followed by the phone line platform afterwards I'll go ahead and close a public comment we'll have board discussion a motion if necessary or needed further discussion and second a motion board's final comments and a vote on tonight's agenda we have uh the first item is E1 Miss City attorney and excuse me Mr chair uh if I may make a point of order uh regarding expart communication we have a late board member come in so I think we have to put him on record harier have you had any communication with anybody regarding any of the items that no thank you and also not on the agenda but I do want to bring this up it's the third meeting I've brought this up so so far uh we were asking for accountability on who did the change order for the windows uh for the uh structure that was considered Mediterranean uh that's the Poo De La Riviera that now has sliding glass windows very not Mediterranean do we have an accountability here yes actually can you hear me good um so we did find those permits um I have actually a copy of it right here we were able to research that seem like they were approved during a um shop uh drawing um during the process after the permit the master permit was approved it was approved also during uh the shop drawings as well by the former city Architect by the former city architect sorry the former city architect approved the master uh permit but the shop

drawings were the ones with the shining the sliding glass stores those were approved as a shop drawing which was not at the time reviewed by the city architect and his staff but since then we have corrected that issue so now the city city architect staff now reviews those sorry the echo is very distracting that the city architect now R used those shop drawings to make sure that they are aesthetic and that they are consistent with the approv plans so this this was a mistake a mistake as in it was not sent to City architect like it should probably be yes okay and that has been corrected yes now that's part of the reprove process in our inter gra system okay M Mr chair I'd like to bring this up at uh maybe uh as a last uh item uh today because I think that anytime there is any kind of change especially of this kind of significance that that uh that project should go back through the process right back to square one with the board of Architects because I'm sure the board of Architects would not have given them a Mediterranean bonus with sliding glass windows correct and so what the city architect does is that he bases his review off what was approved by the board of Architects so if something's inconsistent such as sliding glass windows or something that looks obviously not metan or in keeping with the design he does send it back to the board of Architects because they basically don't like his when that project was approved probably the requirement did not exist that you had you know you had to go put other than sliding glass door uh the sliding glass doors were permitted until last couple years so I would not knowing I was not in the approval process there that at the time that they brought in the project it was okay to do it was permitted to do sliding glass door it went through the shop drawings review process complied and it went forward now it's when the process requires that the shop dos are reviewed

specifically by the city architect and his staff but back then there's a lot of projects here that I assure you were approved at the board of Architects with sliding glass doors correct I think what the board member is trying to say is that she wants to make sure what's being approved as a master permit is the same that what boa had approved preliminarily which is being being done today today it's being done yes I mean that that project I I don't know was been completed for five years style four years well I'm familiar with the project I went to every commission meeting I know the drawings inside out that did not have sliding glass windows I think there was a there was a a black hole that you know the shop Jo were not being reviewed properly right so was no review basically okay I just want to make sure it doesn't happen again because because we're giving developers Mediterranean bonus which residents are against especially when they find out that there it doesn't look Mediterranean and it doesn't have the elements that were approved by the board of Architects so you're you're assuring us that that process has been corrected and this will never happen again right yeah because basically when someone submits a shop drawing into our system intergov it's going to flag the city architect and his staff to look at it and what they do basically especially on Mediterranean bonus buildings they look at what was approved by the board of Architects and if it's not consistent then they have an issue and they they let the applicate know that hey you're asking for something it's not consistent with what boa approved you can go back to boa and have them look at it usually they correct the issue and they don't want to go back to the board I I could attest that today our city architect is reviewing it because my last project that went through the permanent process there was a little deviation and we make sure we had to go back to it had not nothing to do with doors something else okay thank you Robert thank you Jennifer

thank you Jennifer let's go ahead and continue with E1 thank you Mr chair E1 is an ordinance of the city Commission of cor Gables Florida amending ordinance number 2997 to add a new multi-purpose building and increase the maximum student enrollment from 881 to 945 students for St Teresa Catholic School located at 2701 Indian Mount Trail Coral gaes Florida all other provisions and conditions of approval contained in ordinance number 2997 shall remain in effect providing for repe Vision severability clause and providing for an effective date thank you good evening I'm Suzanne doer from The Firm J Patrick Fitzgerald and Associates address 110 marway Coral Gables we represent Archbishop wisky who's a property owner father Manny Alvarez who's the pastor of Little Flower Catholic church and sister Rosal Lee who's the principal of St Teresa Catholic School father Manny and sister Rosalie are in attendance today we are pleased to present our application and we thank you for your thoughtful consideration the application requests two amendments to ordinance number 2991 approval of a one-story 19,1 123 square foot multi-purpose building for indoor Athletics in a gym and Performing Arts facility to include basketball volleyball Performing Arts Music Room Theater special purpose class classrooms for arts and offices and storage areas there's also a request to approve an increase in the maximum School enrollment that was established in 1992 from 881 to 945 students please note improving the school campus with a multi-purpose gym building is a requirement for the school's accreditation issued by the Florida Catholic conference it will

allow for all classes and performances to be located safely within the school campus so students will no longer need to cross Sevilla Avenue to participate in those activities in the church sanctuary and Comber Hall it's important to also note that the school enrollment has averaged 953 students for the past 33 years it was not until this current application was submitted to the city's Administration that they uncovered the 199 92 ordinance that had capped the enrollment the staff acknowledges that neither the city nor the school administration were aware of the enrollment cap the request to amend the ordinance is rather a housekeeping item to better align the enrollment with what the actual numbers have been over the past 33 years the school will submit yearly enrollment figures each year going forward with its certificate of use and it will not exceed the 945 maximum we are requesting this evening the current drop off and pickup operational plans and patterns will remain because there is no increase in students the school's Traffic Engineers trip count analysis confirmed the adequacy of the current patterns the drop off pickup will remain under the supervision and facilitation of the city's Police Department the new building will actually improve the number of after afternoon pickup trips because more students will be able to attend afternoon Sports and arts programs and be picked up later in the afternoon the school retains a police officer to be located all day on the school campus during school hours for the Safety and Security of the students staff and other occupants of the campus the multi-purpose building will

not be used to increase evening events but will be used for those those that are already being held at the school those functions will be relocated to the new building and include home and school meetings the occasional theatrical performances meetings and workshops these uses are passive and they run no later than 900 p.m at night there will be no evening sporting events or tournaments in the gym the new building will be located within the northwest C uh quadrant of the current School field the ball fields will shift to the east the current basketball and volleyball courts will be relocated from the eastern most side of the field into the indoor gym these sports are more intense in terms of players and noise volume relocating these Sports from this area to the indoor gym will result in quieter field activities such as soccer soccer has less players and they spread out over the larger field the soccer field will actually be set back a greater distance from Palo Street than where the current courts are located baseball will be located directly east of the new building to avoid balls being thrown or hit Outside The Field's perimeter track and field will remain on the perimeter of the athletic field there is no request for field night lighting there has never been nor will there be field lights for night games or tournaments the height of the new building is 25 ft around the perimeter and steps up to 37 Feet within the interior to accommodate the gym and is substantially lower than the allowable maximum height of 45 ft all HVAC Transformers and other Mechanicals will

be located on the roof and are on the ground level of the new building with screening and Landscape in accordance with the city City's code requirements all building lighting will be contained within the campus and will comply with the city's lighting code requirements the school will meet Green Building certification upon completion the construction entrance will be off Valencia and into a secure and camouflaged fenced construction staging area located within the field there will be no access to the construction staging area by anyone up other than those working in construction upon completion of construction the sidewalks and Swale areas will be restored to the city's code standards and requirements in addition landscape will be installed and enhanced for beautification and security along the entire perimeter of the school campus and around the new building all in compliance with the city's robust landscape requirements the school's perimeter fence will remain screened and landscaped construction of a perimeter wall is incompatible with the surrounding properties and has a negligible impact on noise mitigation commencement of construction will be upon approval by the city of the construction plans and specifications and issuance of the building permits it is also contingent on funding being raised by the church and school during their ongoing Capital campaign construction is expected to last no more than 18 months after commencement we thank you for your time and we respectfully request your approval of our application I do request rebuttal time to address any public or board comments if appropriate now I turn the presentation over to our team of Architects led by Michael earling of

zitkovich thank you and thank you distinguished boards for hearing us today and also thank you for community for coming out today to see this important project for the school um we're very proud to be part of this project could I ask you to just state your name and address for the record thank you Michael lling um at Wiz isovic 100 North bis game Boulevard downtown Miami um but again as as we reiterate we're very proud to be here very proud to work with the arch dases on this wonderful project for the school to bring this amazing amenity to the students as you can see here the initial rendering that you could see from Indian Mount Trail was worked extensively with um building with planning with uh the city architect and historic in order to sculpt what a building that we believe will fit wonderfully with this historic campus next slide here you can kind of see a before and after where to the right you have the existing Fields with the ball field out there and then basketball courts that are off to the right the new facility will bring the building over to Indian Mound Trail and Valencia in that corner near the entry to the school and then it will have a multi-purpose field with a walking Track that goes around it this will also in part as you see on the next slide here move many of the field amenities especially anything that was noise generating further away from the community um as you can see almost double as well as much less intensity as we're moving all of the basketball into the gymnasium space they or fully contained and protected from the Sun space here you can see the overall plan to the school and as was distinctly pointed out this is a gymnasium facility it will have the ability to also perform plays which are currently done at the school but this will give them a much

better venue for doing that it will provide some additional classroom spaces simply to support what was already there not add any additional students that are part of the school basically a art classroom a music room to support the stage and a language lab uh and some dressing rooms at the back and here you can see also as mentioned in with the section we are complying with minimum Heights for gymnasiums for safety for students because of basketball and volleyball and the heights that is required for these things and then we're also from there stepping it down to the community using colonades along the side and sloped Barrel tile roofs a give the look proper for this location and also a building that feels like it steps down and scales down to the neighborhood along the community here again you can see the setbacks we are fully compliant and overly compliant in many areas of all the setbacks the F and the height requirements at this location and here again you can see some renderings the front at the top right the front faad opening out to the existing Drive Court which during the day actually is a area for play for the students um the fields would be off to the side again the lower left corner you could see how the school will front this new building will front out to the playgrounds again also with the porch at that location and in the top right you would see the facade that will be facing Indian Mountain Trail and in the lower right you would see then the facades that will be facing Valencia all again stepping down to the community in a very sympathetic and cohesive facades with the overall current

school and of course here is a rendering across the entire Frontage of Indi Mountain Trail you could course see the church off to the right then the school and then the the playground spaces and then the the building and facility itself front facade facing the player at the drive court and also addressing to the existing School across from that and with that we will open it up to any questions or the next step in this process thank you thank you next we have uh staff Jennifer Garcia plan and Zing director so there are two parts of this amendment to the order orance number 2997 that Jennifer it's a little hard to hear bring it closer thank you this microphone's a little weak can you hear me now sort of I have to stick it down my throat my gosh okay um so as we know this um the site is south of of um um oh my gosh I for the name of the street Valencia Valencia Thank you Indian Mound um on the west side in north of Sevilla it encompasses basically a large Square Block in the neighborhood as you can see here the school is located mostly on the south side and the project that site that they're really looking at is the north part of this block the future land use is educational

use and the zoning is special use district and the first part of there was request is a new multi-purpose building as you can see here that's a North part of their property and the building would be sitting on the very East sorry the very West part of it with the fields being reconfigured on the East part so zooming into that floor plan they have a you know a lot of extracurricular U classrooms and rooms a music room um Hall of Fame classrooms on the South Side um offices uh the gymnasium of course is the main center of the of the of the building um platforms on the North side so rendering what it looks like facing the interior of the kind of the pickup drop off area that they have and the second part of the request is um basically correcting um the maximum enrollment according to the ordinance so an ordinance uh number 2997 had a a capacity of 881 students um I'm told by the applicant they were not aware that this was actually a cap they were thinking that they gave them existing enrollment which is why it say existing capacity so uh the part of The Proposal is to correct that now looking over the past what this 30 years um enrollments kind of been um varying between 775 students up to a th students so they're requesting to correct that number from the 881 that right now is in the ordinance to be uh 945 and this was reviewed by the DRC back in December of 2023 a board of Architects a few times in 2023 with final approval last year in November it went to Historic preservation board it is in a historic district um in December uh they had their meeting also in December and here we are for tonight for planning zoning board uh letters to the property owners were sent were sent uh to neighbors within a th000 ft of the

property and that was sent three times the property was posted eight times because of lot of the boa meetings uh property sorry the website posting was three times and is advertisement for historic preservation and for tonight's meeting so staff has reviewed this they find to be consistent with the comp plan and they find complies with the zoning code um so we do recommend approval subject to many approval sorry to many um of approval um all the conditions that are that are in contained within ordinance number 2997 will remain um but there are some additional uh recommended conditions of approval uh the first one being an annual letter of student enrollment to make sure that they do not go beyond that 945 enrollment cap um as well as sidewalk improvements and widening on the Valencia on the North side right now is a 4ft sidewalk uh sth recommend that be a 5ft sidewalk so it's a you know 88 compliant and fits in the character of the neighborhood um a Green Building certification of a new building itself um an off-duty police officer for special events and then underground utility lines along Valencia um as approved by FPL of course thank [Music] you thank you Jill how many speakers do we have yes um in Chambers we have three in the chambers and um no one has requests to sign on Zoom could we please call the individuals in order sure I just got a request via Zoom um let's see here Barbara MC Phillips good evening my name is Barbara mcf Phillips I'm here with my husband Jim MC Phillips we are lucky to live at 1225 live Alia Avenue and I'm also here

on behalf of Virginia Lon who I believe is on Zoom she resides at 1228 Valencia and Margaret and Betina bungi who resides at 1225 excuse me 1220 Valencia and Chris Elias and his wife Maria who are 1223 aliria we are the residence on our house is at the corner at the end of aliria Avenue and Pao Street if you haven't been there Palo Street is more like an alley it's not as big as Sevilla and Valencia we love our neighborhood aliria as you know is historic but as I drove down this evening and I drove all the way down to my home I'm greeted with a high chain link fence and I think it's time to make some changes I'm happy to see that St Teresa is making these changes I'm a first grade teacher in Carl Gables for over 25 years I know what soccer games sound like I know what recess sounds like a lot of experience in that area I'd like to share some of our concerns we are actually in favor of St t St Teresa making their property up to date to what is current within Coral GES that helps our property value as you know but our first concern is noise and privacy um with the request to move the soccer field from the center to over to the east side there's nothing on the plans that we saw for noise abatement I take issue with the fact that someone the attorney said that soccer games are

not knowing see there're more players and they scream I've heard it and I understand it but I think we have a right for peaceful use of our property and we would recommend keeping the soccer field in the center where it is now we can hear it but it's not quite as deafening as it might be next to our property with very there's no sound abatement right now um soccer matches are very loud activities the soccer field we feel should remain in the center we also have concerns about weekends we understand we had a concern about night Lighting and Sound but weekends that's a time as we all are we're in our homes we're having a cup of coffee and I can't imagine having loud soccer games baseball games all day Saturday all day Sunday we want what will the restrictions be for the competitions in addition to that will they be able to rent out those fields brand new fields are very popular and in need and will there be restrictions on the hours of use on Saturday and Sundays how will you protect our homeowners expectations to be able to enjoy our backyards peacefully when large noisy crowds attend the athletic games and matches near their properties on a year round basis soccer is a year round sport I'm not sure about uh baseball I wanted to move down to another concern which is traffic congestion and pedestrian safety big concern if my husband might be able to speak better because frankly I'm teaching all day in Coral Gables at

another school we object to adding the 60 plus additional students of the school we didn't even know we suspected there were almost a thousand because of the number cars I've had cars drive over my drain field trying to get away from the traffic we had to get a new drain field um Jim could you speak to what you see during the day uh what I basically hello uh what I basically see could you uh just state your name and for the James MC Phillips thank you sir uh basically we have congestion at you know pickup and delivery times I can barely get out of my garage because people are coming in on the Eastern side of poos and I can't back out and I've had to encounter traffic I've almost run into a couple into a couple of accid accidents so the the traffic situation for me is very concerning and I would like this to be addressed now one thing that I have not seen is what is being done for noise abatement on the east side we're always talking on the Indian Mound side but we are not talking about the noise abatement on the Eastern on the Eastern side of Pao Street and I would like that to be addressed so I'll let you okay our next concern is Landscaping anesthetics as you know aliria Avenue our the MC Phillips family has owned their property since the 1950s we love the neighborhood we love the school however um the current proposal

does not mention or show Landscaping on the east side of the project the school must revise of plans to include trees Shrubbery and an appropriate perimeter wall for sound abatement and to enhance the beauty of our historic neighborhood if I'm not mistaken Virginia levon's house at 1228 Valencia was one of the first five buildings in Carl Gables and across the street at I believe it's 12 20 Alia which just sold um was also one of the first buildings in Carl Gables it's a beautiful neighborhood um other private schools in Carl Gables for example St Thomas Episcopal as one example have beautiful walls around their Sports Fields why not St Teresa I drive by Carl Gable's high they don't have a chain links fence on Riviera they have a metal fence which does nothing for sound but I think it is an upgrade I think it's time for the east side of St Teresa to be upgraded to what our neighborhood expects and demands because of its historic value um what are the commitments to maintain green spaces and create the visual barriers sound is something but also visual barriers around the new expansions and especially the fields the next concern we have is lighting and nighttime use I believe that is covered I hear just week nights what about weekday will the school um what kind of schedule will they have for those weekend games Saturdays and

Sundays the fifth one is property value and Community impact has the school and local government assessed the potential impact on our neighboring properties if we don't take care of some of our concerns I think we've addressed the construction timeline appliance that we understand the workers are going to be parking inside they're not going to be using poow Street as a staging ground for example um will there be a conditional use permit or legally binding do document or agreement that outlines the specific conditions no night games Traffic mitigation not moving Fields or penalties for non-compliance cuz I don't I don't think it's fair to the residents to say oh we didn't know I don't think I can say to you about you know I I didn't know I can't have such and such on my property or chaining Grant I I just think I have a duty to know what the laws are to live and have the privilege of living in this beautiful city so the MC Phillips Lon dungi and Alias families were all longtime residents by raising these questions and concerns we insist that St Teresa and Carl Gable's Planning and Zoning Board recognize our objections and concerns as valid in order to maintain our property values and the peaceful use of our properties and take the appropriate action we really appreciate it we love Carl Gables and thank you for the opportunity to speak toight tonight thank thank you next speaker Mr Elias he's on

Zoom we have nobody else in Chambers no oh I'm sorry Mr BOS Javier BOS please good evening everyone uh Javier BOS Macho I live at 1253 Anastasia Avenue uh correig abbl Florida um I wanted I'm I'm here speaking exclusively as a resident I am a member of the historic preservation board but I'm not here in that capacity My home is at the corner of uh of Anastasia and palmo which is right across uh from the church of a little flower it was the convent for the for the for the church for 35 years before I bought it about two years ago but I've been a parent at s Teresa since my kids were in prek 3 there my daughter is about to finish 8th grade so I have a breath of experience in everything that happens in s Teresa and I'm now directly affected uh by what happens at the school I'm here to talk in support of the petition uh um of of the church and of of the arch dasis and then perhaps give you somewhat of a different perspective of the prior speaker uh from not only a neighbor but also also a parent who has who has been at at the school uh the uh there's typically the only time that there's traffic if you will it's clearly a drop off and pickup uh at the school if I could have the um the staff provided a picture that was an aerial view of the school if I could have that put back on if I I would appreciate it so what happens is the in the morning from about 7:20 okay to about 7:45 all the kids have have to be there are two bells one at 7:42 and one at uh at 7 7:45 that the kids have to be inside the inside the

school so you do get a line of cars that come from palmo in front of a of a of Indian Mountain Trail in front of the church and into the school that happens for that window of time only and then the school has made an effort to actually have all the teachers in front to have the kids actually come out of the cars and guide them into into into the property and then when the pickup happens there's an application that actually the for for the for the kids to actually um for the parents to notify the school that the child is there and they're ready to pick up so the child is ready okay the moment the parent comes in the parent comes around the blacktop right before right in front of where this this building is being uh um proposed uh and the parent essentially just have the kid R in right into the vehicle and go around uh the M Philips are on the other side of the uh on the Sevilla um on Pao side there it's it it's only the kids that are typically in the smaller grades so typically the prek three prek4 the smaller the smaller kids they're the ones that actually would come through the through the through the Palo site into through through the the cafeteria area outside and again that is a very short window the only folks that I'll I'll I'll be honest with you that take a little that take a little longer is that you have some very committed grandparents who want to be the first ones in the Vanguard you know H be the first ones to pick up so they do line up maybe about 10 of them in front of in front of a of the school on the uh Indian Mountain Trail uh and they are there maybe about an hour before but it's really you're talking about a half an hour window between 24 250 I'm sorry 2:30 uh 2:45 and uh and 3:00 when the actual pickup happens weekend games today okay there are no night games because there's no light there okay and there will as far as I understand there be there will be no

light there so as a parent when I when I'm when I'm there the soccer field is in the middle okay of the of the of the area and what's what's happening is there's a very very small um you know whatever whatever the the particular alignment for a uh a basketball field on the side which is very rarely used because basketball only happens on Sundays and I'm sorry I'm on on on Saturday mornings that there's a particular person who has a a plan to actually to pay for the parents pay for them to do the so the the uh the the program for the um for the basketball so that only happens a small period of time they that that's not going to really affect much of of everybody who who's going to be on this side and again traffic happens to that area very very quickly now there is around that entire area of the school so we're talking about everything is that is that is on the on the end there's one home on indiia Mount Trail there's my house on the other side here of of of the church there is uh the Deacon's house which is behind the church and he's not a complaint because he's the Deacon ER and uh and then the folks on the uh uh the M Phillips which are on this side of of the property all that entire area has a hedge where which is six feet farther right so what I've got to ask is anybody who speaks speak into the microphone I apologize I apologize Mr chairman I'm not trying but but there's a hedge right and then there is a covering around it so there is noise because it's a school and when I bought my house in front of of the church I knew people were going to parking in my lawn okay I knew that when there were going to be weddings there were going to be uh folks who were going to be Rowdy and noisy and cumber

hul in front of my in front of my house that's what happens when you decide to uh buy a home in a place that is used by to the public okay uh I don't necessarily believe that the half an hour 45 minutes that the school is overly used in the middle of the work day uh 2:30 in the pickup it's really going to affect much of the quality of the neighborhood that is around and certainly my experience at least in the very early morning when the uh when the kids are dropped off it is also not a uh uh a difference part of what's Happening Here is we are actually getting the school back to what it should be okay this was a historic property ER that was originally organized for uh for a small School for Girls okay and the school has had to make additions and modifications to the original historical building to accommodate a lot of the necessity that he has to have a circle program to have a music room to everything else so one of the things that's happening is we actually getting in the school to have the chapel back okay and we're going to restore that the interior Chapel because the chapel today where we have today the music room used to be the chap okay so they so the idea behind this is to actually preserve this building as it was originally intended and move a lot of the modernity that was that has been added to schools into this multi-purpose building uh kept a breast of what of the process that this this building has undertaken that went through many irations in front of the boa ER father kept the entire congregation a breast of the uh uh of what of what has what was happening there and they have made diligent efforts to bring back this down the scale of the building to actually make pay the concerns of the neighbors and bring all those things into play okay so uh I would encourage you to

support the San Teresa family and to support the the the students of s Teresa and the parents who go there as a neighbor I can say that I don't think that what's being asked of you is overly burdensome certainly the M Phillips have and the all the neighbors have a real concern and if the school can do something to amarate their their issues that's something that should be looked into but my perspective I don't I at least I'm not there I don't live their lives obviously but from my perspective as a neighbor in the position that I am in front of the of the church I don't I I don't experience what they have experience thank you any other speakers not in the room in the zoom yes um Chris Elias I thought Mr the first Speaker spoke on his behalf right what do you mean on his behalf yeah because I think I think the first speaker came said she she was speaking on Mr Alias behalf as yeah sorry just one person there he is he's over there now he was at the house is what it was and he's he's is he on okay yes I'm on sorry I was unable to unmute thanks everyone for the time Chris Elias live at 1223 aliria Avenue um I think you know Barbara and Jim did a really good job sir if you want to be sworn in for evidentiary you then we need to see you can you not see me no we cannot my camera's on he's on is it something with it yes yes is that going to be okay without okay is your right hand raised please

yeah my right hand do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give shall be the truth the truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you thank you let the record state that the court reporter went over to the computer and Visually saw the witness thanks so much for the time this evening um Crystal eyes 1223 Alia um largely agree with everything that Barbara and Jim summed up I don't want to reiterate every every point that she made I think she she did a really good job um the prior speak speaker I I respectfully disagree in terms of the time and where cars line up um you know cars are sacked on Palos cars are stacked on Sevilla cars are stacked on Valencia and cars are stacked on Columbus and I have two little girls that uh you know one goes to ECC which is a preschool just north of the billmore we have the privilege of being able to live in this beautiful community and walk her to school and pick her up and walk back to our house every single day on a constant basis crosswalks are blocked by parents that are aggravated by long lines a lot of times I've seen people shouting at other cars um cutting other cars from different directions um I work up in Blue Lagoon so when I go to work in the morning I'll make a right onto poos from Alia there are cars that sometimes go on the wrong side of the road I've almost got into a head-on collision so I think safety is completely underestimated here and uh just because you guys did not follow an ordinance in 1992 doesn't make it right and I'd like to know what the recourse or penalty would be for not following that I'd also like to see the student enrollment data PR 1993 to see what that looked like if it was truly a mistake or on purpose and I think you know enrollment looked like it was 911 as of

2024 these problems are prevalent with 911 I can't even imagine at 945 thank you do we have any other speakers Jill does anyone wish to speak on zoom on this item please no what about the phone platform no at this time I'll go ahead and close it for public comment um I'd like to uh do you have any rebuttal for the uh plaintiff uh no specific rebuttal um you know drop up and pickup times anybody who lives by a school is familiar with that um I you know it's just a it's just part of uh the business of running a school um it does move quickly we have police officers of the City of Coral Gables that facilitate our drop off pickup and I think we do a you know a fairly a pretty good job of it but I will be here for any specific questions the board may have or staff thank you um Christina I'd like to ask you one question before we open it up we have an item that's time certain for S o'clock yes so I don't know if so that just means you cannot hear it before seven o'clock okay just want to be clear on that thank you sure um chip will you start yeah can you turn on your mic please thank you um this is a I think a good problem to have we all want good schools and um I think it improves the the value of Coral Gables and St Teresa's an institution in Coral Gables but but saying that I do think we have to be very careful with the balance of the neighbors um I've been driving by that school for as long as I can remember and I think some of the Aesthetics the chain link fence and

whatever I think now's an opportunity to to take a look at that I do think that um there is either been some miscommunication or misunderstanding because the the previous speaker spoke to specific issues that seem to have already been resolved so I don't know if there were neighborhood meetings how many there were uh were these questions asked um I I mean as far as the obviously the nighttime lights uh the noise of the soccer field was all that brought out we had neighborhood meeting um questions were asked we submitted a summary it did include the questions are being raised here and we responded accordingly the um the only suggestion that might help and again I I draw on experience from the car GBL juice Center um the field is basically uh closed to any organized events on Sundays uh you can't have an organized team sport obviously families can come and use the field which is probably a suggestion I don't know if the school would allow that um for insurance reasons but the city seemed to get around that issue secondly the um the field is not to be rented out or leased out to anyone other than St Teresa so you can't bring in a local soccer league to use the field you can't bring in a local you know flag football uh group to use the field it has to be strictly St Teresa Athletics and activities that somewhat restricts the use of the field and I also think that there's no reason in the world why they can't be some some nice Landscaping to to um for that East Side looking at the pictures the sale looks large enough and I I think we have some precedent on um was it uh St Phillips where we required the the school to actually go in and Landscape the Swale to keep

people both from parking on the Swale and also for for beautification so those are the only comments I have Mr chair if I may make one comment we have a very uh detailed and robust landscape plan that's part of our package it does include EX exensive landscape on the east side okay but the installation will be done at at completion of construction the entire perimeter of the property will be Rel landscaped enhanced landscape beautified um so if there are bald spots it will not Remain the city uh through their uh the process we've been through have been very very particular and concerned and very high standards imposed on us for what their uh landscape requirements will be but acknowledging because of construction you don't want to require plantings now only to have everything destroyed or die so we will be doing that as soon as construction is over so so is the fencing still chain link fencing yes why why wouldn't you want to remove that it serves the purpose of which it always has and the landscape camouflages it so if the purpose of when you say it serves the purpose of what keeping the kids on the field correct well a ornamental fence could serve the same purpose couldn't it we have never been uh asked or inquired either through the board of Architects or any City Architects to to put any other type of fencing there it's been there it's served the purpose we keep it landscaped if like I said right now there may be bald spots that will not remain that way um but it's we even have uh screening on the fences so it's it's it's camouflaged and it's it's just is it camouflaged from the side of the school or camouflaged from the side of the

residence do you the the uh res the the Landscaping is on the outside from the school side so it's on the perimeter where the residents are not on the inside with the school so the fence is visible from the school not from the resident side okay and the Landscaping that you were would put in afterwards would be a sound barrier type of landscaping not a low shallow type of beautification landscaping that would be correct that the currently all the Landscaping is above the height of the fence so in theory with the exception of a bald spot or two the fence would not be visible from the community and of course the school is very amenable to working with the community on on Landscaping intensifying areas in order to beautify the overall neighborhood which is really the intent of what they are also trying to do here Bei besides a safe facility for the students thank you can I just do you have a problem with restricting the use of the fields to St Teresa activities only and not leasing it out to private clubs if I could I'll defer to Father Manny Alvarez if he could come up and speak to that he's the applicant and the pastor of the church good evening everyone father Manny alare is resident of 1270 Anastasia Avenue and pastor of Church of Little Flower in St Teresa Catholic School uh no we will not first of all Sunday is the Lord's day we don't even execute people on Sunday in this country so uh um we will not be doing uh any any sports on Sunday and that and on Saturdays it would be limited uh to what we have now which is the in murals which I believe are only on Saturday mornings so so it would only be St Teresa School it be St terresa we not looking forward to renting it out uh to anybody else just for the use of our students and our parishioners thank you chip anything further that's it thank you very much

Felix I think that the Architects did a very good job with the working with Board of Architects because you could see that there were half a dozen meetings and uh they did a very very good job one of the great things about having this gymnasium now is that a lot of what would have been exterior noise is now interior noise inside of the building and those are very loud buildings but I think that this really serves a very good purpose I agree with the neighbors on both things number one um in order to be able to get uh the building in there uh The Architects push the building toward the or the the playing field toward the East to be able to compensate for the footprint of the building on the west side and doing so uh they moved it toward the East and and I think that additional buffering I think would be important um I'm I'm saying this because you know it's it's like the analogy of you move next to the airport and then you complain about the the airplanes in this particular case there's an improvement being made and and uh St Teresa has has served a uh um a crucial uh purpose in the city um since the late 1920s and I think that that they provide a service to the community and I think that that I think that they can accommodate some of these issues with the neighbors I looked at the previous two conditions the historical conditions there and there are limitations not only the limitations of the amount of students but also the limitations of traffic and Landscaping Etc

unfortunately what happens is well Public Works will do the landscaping or public service or the building department will do this I think that this has to be a more holistic in my opinion uh father the the I think that um extending uh a tremendous Olive Branch to these neighbors that have these concerns in a direct way in a positive way where everybody can walk away there you know in a good thing I I I think that would be great I also believe that um the chaining fence does not do anything and the Landscaping won't do very much from a noise standpoint and kids are kids I've got three when they all grew up they all had inter murals on Saturdays uh Unfortunately they didn't have have a a nice interior gymnasium and we had to you know take them all over the county to be able to play their games so I think that the need is there plus the fact that now it's going to do other things such as music and performances and and it just gives an anchor and a sense of community so I would hope that you could work something out where maybe maybe not a solid wall but it could be some type of metal solid solid metal where it it has you know it's attractive and at the same time it can uh be uh s the sound attenuation would be at a maximum so a picket fence as the example that was given earlier today will be a failure the Landscaping in my opinion will will be a failure but something solid whether it's a metal prefabricated approved by the board of Architects is aesthetically beautiful and then buffering it with Landscaping on on the

neighbor side I think would go a long way to to uh solving the the sound problem we've done it in my practice sub uh successfully without an issue the other thing is that um I think that the original conditions both of them both of these conditions were signed by May mayor Corgan 1990 and 1992 and those conditions I think think should be incorporated besides the amount of students the amount of students in the increase we're talking about approximately uh 9 to 10% uh that's that's not a lot as far as of of the actual impact on the surrounding neighborhood the other thing is that having the functions inside uh will familiar rate the issue of of the noise outside the other thing is that one of the noisiest places is where the kids leave their book bags Etc you can see that the book book bag uh bag location for pickup is immediately south of the new proposed gymnasium which actually will will U reduce the amount of noise just from the chaos that happens at at pickup time on the traffic standpoint with all due respect and I saw Mr Plumber in the in the the audience somewhere uh with all due respect to Traffic Engineers I think that the people that are impacted have a much better understanding of what the issues are than you know putting a piece of rubber hose across the street and figuring out how many cars are going by when they don't understand where they're stopping their cars where they're doing that and and that's where I think that the that the church has to step in with with the school

administration and and uh lay down the law when it comes to the parents and and being cooperative as far as uh maintaining a type of order I think that uh unfortunately the queuing lines become very long uh people get there very early it becomes like it was said before uh place to socialize but I think at the end of the day um you have to listen to the neighbors and and and my opinion is a condition should be that you meet with the the the Neighbors at least you know during during the uh the school year uh where things are worked out at the beginning and in the middle and that kind of thing I truly believe that would be being a good neighbor so I I don't have an issue with the application as long as we condition it I think chip came up with you know a very very happens every once in a while but he came up with a very good idea uh as far as the use on the field and the limitation I think that's extremely important father you said that you don't have an issue with that so the condition should be a problem shouldn't be a problem but I think that the fence I think is key to give peace and Tranquility to the neighbors uh where solid and and there are ways of doing it where it it could look very nice and and be part of what we expect in Coral Gables which is what the neighbors are looking for for and at the same time the issue which happens in every school which happens everywhere and that is that we have to maintain uh an understanding and listen to uh what the neighbors are saying during the school year and um I I I know that you would do a great job doing that that's all Mr chairman thank you Felix thank you first of all it it

reckons back to Buffalo New York where I grew up seeing the nuns here because I grew up with the Felician nuns through elementary school and high school so it's good seeing you uh first of all the building I think looks terrific I think it fits with the character of Coral Gables it's a rather large building for the site I think because when I saw the aerial is that the largest building on that site no the T the tallest one are the classrooms which are three story the original well well not not height wise but it be the original building built in 1925 three St all right but the architecture is beautiful um couple of things the the building itself will that be rentable for wedding receptions or any outside functions no we have come brall for that and as Mr B says that's already used almost 52 weeks a year okay thank you um you know regarding the neighbors concerns about traffic traffic is a nightmare everywhere particularly around schools I live across from Sunset Elementary School I can't get out of my driveway in the morning you know I have to wait until the school traffic dissipates so I have a lot of empathy for you and is there a solution not unless we have flying cars right uh but there I don't think there's a solution but the parent that talked on Zoom said that he walked his child not to St Teresa's but to another school how many children actually walk to St Teresa's uh sister I would defer that to our Prin principal sister rosley good evening I'm sister rosaly and I live at 2819 and a alambra circle and the amount of students that actually walk to and from school it's minimal I I have probably about 10 to 15

and they have to be at a certain we have a policy they have to be in fifth grader higher so we don't let the little ones walk we not even parents taking them home um because we realize a lot of the traffic you know safety is our number one priority that's why we hire lots of police officers from Coral Gables who do a really good job um with that so so yes so we have the we do have some walkers but they're all old enough to walk on their own and there's a certain distance that they cannot you know it can't be more than mile away from the school do you think you would have more children walking if you maybe encouraged it had some kind of program some kind of even cycling for example there there are a lot of uh cities that have what they call bike trains where parents will get on a bike and Lead kids to the school on their bikes back and forth almost like a chaperone to and from I'm just thinking about options for relieving traffic congestion and it's not going to relieve all of it but if you encourage the students and the parents to start some kind of program for walkability or bikeability that might relieve some of the congestion plus you know it you we need different kinds of Mobility other than getting in a car we're willing to we're willing to look at those options okay all right I encourage you to do that because I think that's the only possible partial solution to the congestion problem uh I agree about some kind of wall uh the sound would drive me crazy I think there has to be some kind of um and chain link fences and Landscaping do not muffle sound uh I lived on a property on leun and I tried landscaping and it did not help and uh I I talked to sound engineers and they said it will never help so you either move or you build something and in this case I think you have to build some kind of barrier and uh heaven knows we got a lot of examples in Coral Gables that will conform to your wonderful architecture I would just

build the wall build the wall where we heard that yes can I can I ask excuse the interruption I just wanted to clarify because I live on PS there is no Swale so no Landscaping can be built there are oak trees they're beautiful but they are shady and I know you're not going to cut down the trees I hope you don't the chain Ling fence came comes right up to the sidewalk you can't you can't put any Landscaping there so please put a beautiful wall St Thomas Episcopal had to put a wall against those expensive homes be find them it can be done it can be beautiful and it can help us and it has to be a tall wall thank you because of the sports thank you but but I think you've heard from three of us now uh the wall would go a long way in helping the neighbors and again I encourage the walkability and bikeability to school efforts uh for the traffic congestion that's all thank you thank you Robert thank you I uh I'm G start with the increase in students uh from uh 1992 which you had 881 students today you're looking for 945 that's an increase of 64 students uh phix 7% over 30 30 years that's nothing that is nothing so I I think that you are right over 30 years I think there's I don't have an issue whatsoever on the contrary I think that probably I would have asked for more but um when it comes to to we don't want more no that's okay I understand but but but it's you know what I'm trying to say it's a minimum increase 7% is is nothing in 30 years

over 30 years um when it comes to to addressing the noise um you moved the soccer fields to the architect you moved the soccer field to the all the way to the east I'm just going to for the benefit I I think I know the answer I'm an architect as well but for the benefit of of the neighbors that spoke on the noise is it is it feasible to to flip the sucker field back to the center next to the building and put I guess their baseball fields a diamond there on that side I don't think it's feasible but is that something that can be done no um what we did in placing the soccer field there and in part is basic it's striped and shown as a soccer field but it is a general play field for the kids are in today as they are really playing organized soccer at school it's just a general Recreation space for the kids to run around what we did is we've completely lowered the intensity on those fields by moving the basketball courts which are twice as close to some degree to the neighbors to the east in that area into the gymnasium and they had bleachers there therefore having greater stuff by moving it our challenge would be flipping with the baseball we we could look at that but again we were trying to keep the baseball closer to the to the building itself and we don't believe and we know the intensity will be much less now in the future logistically makes sense to keep the baseball field next to the building you know there's no question yeah okay yeah all thank you the when it comes to to the norise barrier walls I think I agree with my three previous colleagues um on their comments and I and I'm thinking the the wall that is um that University

of Miami did along 57th Avenue that is part solid a little bit of open fenestration and they landscape heavily on that I think that would be for me will be a requirement that you put the wall when you do this Venture and in addition to that I think and I haven't seen the landscape plan I think that you have to go an extra step to put much more additional uh Landscaping including to me shade trees that are are on uh Valencia and uh in thean Mount to almost to to buffer the building a little bit more from the adjacent neighbors um the landscaping and the wall I think are my opinion necessary when you do this project um other than that I think it's a beautiful building I think it's doing a great job I think it's you know Mike is never went there um but I think I've been there many times and I think it's your great asset to the community so I'm in support of the project thank you Javier um I like the project I think that the baseball fields next to the building make more sense because you don't want to have the uh stands next to the residents I mean that just makes sense um I'm going to make it a condition of approval I'm going to make that addition to whatever motion gets made here that uh that U the wall the wall be installed and it can be a partial wall and green wall and green but you need a reflective barrier to keep the sound away from the neighbors I'm looking up and down Paulo Street and it does have a sale on both sides and it actually is divided in the Middle with a greencape correct I would suggest to you

that what needs to happen is that you need to put trees onto both sides of Po to help isolate the the neighbors more from from the school and that would buy you a whole lot of breathing room with the neighbors and show that you are also a good neighbor so I'm also looking at making that a condition I for a motion of approval should it come and as the student count 7.4% is a diis the Minimus increase given the amount of time that since the limitation was put in uh it appears that you already are dealing with that number of students so we're not looking at any kind of real impact here and what we're talking about is just uh a bit of bookkeeping and housekeeping here so I have no problem with that thank you aier ulio um I think most of what I was thinking has been said the definitely I will vote for and demand a wall around the property so that uh the noise of the kids in the field will be kept there now I don't think it has to go around the whole property it goes around the AL to the building and that the building acts as a sound barrier so it's not a full wall but it's a it's a solution that works I think Landscaping can be improved um I don't have any problem with the number of students uh going to the school and it's a school is it's an asset to the prop to the community my two boys went there and they did very well and uh I would continue to to support it that way thank you um I think my colleagues have actually made very good points a lot of

the points that I was going to discuss also um as far as closed organized Sports which chip said and so forth uh no outside uh receptions the wall the landscaping and the buffering really all makes sense to get this project going um as far far as the student count even though we all talk about it's only a 7% increase what I've heard is that's been the student count all along unknowingly but that's been the student count that has been there all the time um I'm not here to add blame or say why or whose fault it is or how it should or should not be corrected I know that the school has said that they will supply uh student counts to the city whether it's by anually or annually and I think that should be part of the recommendation that we do to keep the uh headcount where it should be and to ensure that such mistakes or oversights are not uh done going forward other than that I'm good with the project yes ma'am U for point of clarification with respect to the wall I just want everyone to be clear principally the the neighbors that there are height restrictions on walls and Coral Gables they're not high walls 4 feet six feet so for it's you know it's we looked at different screening scenarios and we did put a lot of thought into noise mitigation but the analysis at the end of the day was because of the height restriction on walls it really wouldn't have any substantial impact on noise we we're happy to look at it we're happy to address it the other point I just wanted to clarify

is the Poo Street seems to be the uh concern with respect to noise and are are is it acceptable if we look only at a wall on poo Street Mr Cher I think that we're back at the board the board will make our recommendations and then you you know you can say that your client will agree to it or not and then we'll move from there yeah I I just wanted to be clear are we talking about if if a wall is a condition is on poow street not on Valencia Indian Mound we haven't come to that determination yet okay that'll come through discussion on a motion okay and so forth yeah and then you can ask your client if they will agree to it or not at that point okay what I can tell you is probably the recommendation is going to be the Wall height to the maximum allowable by zoning and by code M um and there could be uh I know I would want the Landscaping in front of that wall that can grow to a certain height to further Abate The Noise Okay um the other point I just want to clarify is the Landscaping additional trees on Valencia uh fpnl has has installed the very uh high-powered utility lines that feed through the neighborhoods with the big cement holes and Transformers um along Valencia and they have controlled the landscape that can be planted underneath so I'm not sure we could put oak trees or something like that on Valencia because of the power lines that have been installed by fpnl okay so we want to make the right commitments but not a commitment we can't live up to and it would have to be a commitment that you can live up to yeah and a commitment that you'll be

allowed to do you know yeah I mean because if it's out of my control you know and and same with trees on the on the east side of Palos it's possible a property owner says I don't want you planting on over here we don't control that land let us come back let us come back and we so to the extent we're willing to cooperate but to the extent these things are within our control to the extent they're not it's not that we were unwilling it was just we were unable understood thank you okay is there a motion like to make a motion Mr chairman yes sir with conditions I'd like to approve uh staff's recommendation with the additional conditions of only St Teresa uses on the field per chip no Sunday activity in the field except for special events that are permitted and and you have to have additional police Etc on Sundays that I think would cover probably your your uh Festival yes that the the annual fairs is permitted and I'm a little busy on Sunday so I can't be at sporting events uh requirement to meet with the neighbors for traffic and pickup issues during the school year year in order to mitigate that a 6 foot high solid solid buffering fence can I suggest whatever zoning or the building department allows maximum height as opposed to specifying a height just I I I think it is six feet okay because it's it's uh

institutional solid six okay that's correct in other words it's it's a special L use so therefore because of that it's allowed to be six feet uh uh being uh solid and decorative and approved by the board of Architects that would accommodate uh sound and said fence would be uh heavily landscaped on the exterior perimeter side facing the Neighbors when you say the exterior perimeter side so the wall does not go up to the property line no the wall doesn't come up to the property line I'm looking at Google Earth right now and they have uh how will they maintain the Landscaping no well that's why you that's where people maintaining it you you pull your fence in a little bit you have the Landscaping on the outside and they walk around the outside through uh through some type of gate if okay I I just don't myself I don't see that as being very feasible but maybe I'm wrong I just well what I'm saying is if if if this is the property line and you move it in a little bit I understand the concept Landscaping outside and and usually that's really on their land and and they they have to maintain the the Landscaping I mean we do it all the time yeah is there a reason you wouldn't have the Landscaping on the inside because the inside is is toward the ball fields and it doesn't do anything for the Neighbors I agree I agree phix is correct if you move it in you're going to be able to landscape the outside it's going to be a buer for for the you know neighbors it's done all the time you know to leave it to the Architects yeah sometimes yeah just just can't do the math so then and and then um I saw

what the what the council was talking about with the high tension power on Valencia uh but I would I would suggest uh additional Landscaping with some type shade trees there are shade trees that are allowed by Florida Power and Light to grow underneath in easements like that they have their own landscaping Division and they have their recommended um land uh trees that are acceptable under those things and I think that would go a long way so to to uh bring that and and at the same time we're not asking for a solid wall on Valencia this is to specifically um provide more Aesthetics you know and and also uh a little more uh if you will a little more uh relief you know from the building and the and the magnitude of it when you're driving down Valencia where you have a long shot of it those are all the conditions Mr chairman um what about the condition that was spoken about no outside receptions in the facility uh outside receptions or use for the facility except for the school itself well in addition to outside the inside the facility also no that's that's what I meant no outside venders or no outside uh Gatherings that are not part of the school to be held in the gymnasium okay I I thought I covered it when I said only St Teresa uses for the field no no I said and for the fuel yeah okay as long as it's there right any uses and for the fuel okay I will second that motion but I'd like to make two friendly amendments okay number one that uh with this approval the applicant agrees to make a yearly submittal of the

student station count that condition is already in staff's report so I accepted staff's report that's why I didn't add it and the second one is that we Define the the wall to be built should be along the property line of poos so that there's no question that it's not going on Val it's just for the length of poos from the service entrance yes North if you could add add the location as um parallel to Follows Street i' I'd like to ask a uh a question what about um stating also that no lighting will be placed in the future for intermural games or any type of games within that yeah we're we're amimal to that we do not want anything at night would that be a covenant Christina that would be done so all of these conditions will will be in a covenant ultimately would you agree to also no ligh absolutely thank you okay yes sir yeah I have a concern with the height of the wall that's one of the few Open Spaces that we have in that neighborhood a six foot wall I know will make it quieter for the neighborhood but the neighborhood loses then the open space that is there um so I was wondering if we could lower the requirement of six foot fence to a 4ot six so that you you you still keep the sense of open space well we have a motion we have a second friendly Amendment would you agree sir would you agree to lower it to

fouret I I'd like to um have this as part of the discussion the only reason I think a four- foot high fence would not accommodate the sound issue I I understand your concern I I think that the only reason I was saying to to pull it in uh Pull It in from the property line a little bit is there is there is a Swale area there I'm looking at it now on on uh on the map and there is a Swale area what I was hoping to do is to just bring it in enough to be able to heavily landscape it you know so it doesn't look like there is a loss of of the perception of of landscaping if that's okay with you Julio Julio if I can add is really the side street for the properties that face Valencia or Al Maria or to the street on the south there are no door entrances off Apollo they're all driveway entrances into garages and whatnot it's not a place that you're going to be looking for a a Vista open space if you follow what I'm saying and there is a green space in the middle which increases the depth of the uh of the actual rideway between the the church property and the the nearest neighbor and what we're looking for is to reduce the sound into the neighborhood along Al Maria into those houses to the east so I would not like to see it at 4 feet I'd like to see it at six feet because it's a proven uh strategy for reflecting that sound back and away from the neighborhood and I think I think I agree with both you know Javier and Felix I think that the idea with Felix mention put it in a little bit maybe I don't know 5 ft so you could do some Landscaping so you could buffer that that water a little bit from from that's the way it is now the the chaining fence is like five or six feet away from the sidewalk that that's correct and and the

whole point was to be able to have enough area to you know have the Hedge have trees you know give them the canopy and and with the six feet that that's solid will mitigate a lot of the thing the other thing that will mitigate a lot is because they're building the gymnas is they're going to be eliminating those basketball courts I would think yeah and and that's the whole thing now the sound not only goes away from the neighbors but the sound of the basketball you know it goes into a building and it's not see if I can uh be it's not just the basketball our entire PE program takes place there throughout the day right that'll be going indoors that's and and that's why the a lot of the sound mitigation a lot of the sound going into going indoors yeah correct now the only thing that isn't changed and it it does will affect our neighbors is the the top lot that that that you mentioned uh the right no no no no no not not that's that's on the corner but but the um we have where the big we're the bang in trees which is something that I know you and I will agree we don't want to touch those trees because they are uh the Crown Jewel of the property you know other than uh other than the bus and Sacrament but uh that that's the only that's the only thing that uh that I'm that I worry about huh we have all right so we have we have to speak into the microphone for the court and we just if we can father just direct everything to no problem we have a motion we have a second any other comments yes I just want to make sure that whatever the height of the building the wall is we don't have to ask for a variance I don't know if it's four feet 5 feet six feet I don't know if they're going to consider that a accessory side a front side we've had these discussions with Board of Architects City architect

that's why I wanted to ask for whatever is maximum allowable Yeah by Co and also I want to point out that there are some buildings that are historically designated on our campus on poos side where the prek up are that I we may not be able to go five feet more in for the wall because we've got a building there and then we won't have the proper setback and then we we're back for a variance so we do need some flexibility to work with the city staff the Landscape Architects the city AR you know landscape staff to we understand where you want us to go with this but I I just want to build in flexibility based on code and conditions thank you understood Mr chairman I don't think that that um you know just to clarify I'm looking at the building we're not going up and touching the historic building we're stopping it short of the building because that's where the residents on on Palos are they don't make it all the way to the building well we have a motion we have a second we've discussed it sir but it's C I understand we're just trying to reach a determination since for procedure um so my only question is do we change it to what's allowable to the maximum height that's allowable in the conditions I'm I'm good with that to which the code allow so we don't make a determination if for some reason code and Zoning says it's got to be 5 foot2 and it can't be six they don't have to go to a variance and it's a good point so are you are you okay with that Felix yes sir okay any other discussion no call the rooll please Felix Paro yes jaier Salman yes

CH WS yesul Gabriel yes Robert Bear yes Su valinski yes ABS instead yes thank you it was just it would be easier if we made it all by code thank you next thank you thank you very much and good luck with your project thank thank you can we uh go ahead and call the next item please we're doing the time certain yes yes please so this is item E3 it's a Time certain for 7 o'clock in ordinance of the city Commission of Coral Gables Florida providing for Tex amendments to the City of Coral Gables official zoning code by amending article 14 process section 14- 212 zoning code text and map map amendments and section 14- 213 comprehensive plan text and map amendments to create a conceptual review by the planning and zoning board for applications proposing land use or zoning ch changes prior to the preliminary Board of Architects approval and providing for repeat provision severability clause codification and providing for an effective date uh Jennifer Garcia Planning and Zoning director so we're coming back after a discussion with you guys you had a motion um I think back in October I want to say in a special meeting um to uh look at the process look at the procedural process when you're changing land use and Zoning um so if you look at the slide behind you or also in front of you as well um we're looking at that initial review phase right so right now there's an optional boa conceptual review and then it goes to DRC and then public hearing sorry public information meeting and then through Board of Architects culinary review um per this board and per the commission we're looking at adding in a planning zoning conceptual zoning review just for those changes of land use and Zoning I think we're familiar with this as we discussed this again in October it was discussed Again by the city commission this last meeting um in in December um so we're here back

with the text amendment to um basically require that conceptual Zone review by this board before um it goes to U boa that's it thank you chip oh actually do we have any anybody here for this item anybody in Chambers no one requested via Zoom speak well Mr chairman I I want to clarify the the there are several board members here from the board of Architects so I do they have to fill anything out I would assume they would fill out if they would like to speak is there anybody from the board of Architects that would like to speak on this matter yeah so per the commission remember they had wanted to have someone from the board of Architects be designated to speak on behalf of the board so they had um selected DD it's like two boards in instead that that's the point I was okay right so I guess if Judy if you want to say a few words now that would be helpful I guess it helped the discussion sure I mean um so we all felt strongly unfortunately if you could just state your name sorry Judy KY 920 Medina Avenue thank you and you're speaking on behalf of the board of Architects that's correct but we have a whole um handful of us five out of the nine the other four apologized um so we did what was presented in this amendment um is that we would have a board of Architects conceptual review before a Planning and Zoning conceptual and just to clarify upon discussion of that last Thursday we all felt that the board of Architects conceptual should not occur before your

conceptual okay should not occur before for hours exactly that that the Planning and Zoning conceptual review should be the first thing that occurs Mr chairman yes sir Felix I I don't want to speak out of turn but I I want to make sure that we keep it on the tracks if if you don't mind if I can say something at the beginning um since I brought this up a while ago um let's go back to the origin the origin was that when the board of Architects reviews a project they have the ability to review massing compatibility and many other factors that are written in black and white in the code the problem was that there is a subset and the subset or a subset of projects that have to do with what we would call upzoning and or changes of the comprehensive land use plan which increases other intensities besides besides massive the other charge that the board of Architects has is applying compatibility to the surrounding neighborhoods which are in the fact are are in different forms both from a site planning standpoint and also just from existing buildings their character and what you're trying to do what was orig what I originally suggested which we voted on and if you go back to the minutes you will see it is that it is a procedural uh problem because when the board of Architects were were looking at these particular

projects they were being um limited to their full review based on the code because they were being told to assume that the project had already been approved although it had not come before the planning board The Dilemma was that we then ended up with something a project that was coming before the planning board which now had an preliminary approval from or acceptance by the board of Architects but what we weren't being told was that they were basically giving this particular approval handcuffed what we do by doing this procedural change is we are taking the handcuffs off the board of architex because what would happen What would happen is that we would have a nonbinding a non-binding conceptual review of one of these projects in this subset not as a matter of right in the subset that would come before us and we would be looking at compatibility with the neighborhood compatibility with the zoning and other things in the memo that we received from staff I had a couple questions because it wasn't quite the way that we discussed and approved the motion so if you will indulge me for one minute it says concerns with the current review procedure of the proposed building site plan requests that are

reviewed simultaneously with future L use and zoning map changes sometimes there's not a future L use plan change because there only asking for an up zoning because they're within the ceiling of the comprehensive land use plan so if the comprehensive L use plan says you could go up to this height and right now the existing zoning is only this but they're asking for this because they never touch that ceiling then a change of comprehensive line use plan from a height standpoint would not apply now if they're changing the use of it the intensity of it from one comprehensive land use use to another let's say from commercial to residential then that's different so we have to be careful that when we're looking at this that we understand what the ask is the second thing is that it said that the board of Architects is only is only granting one two three it deemed deemed by the boa to comply with the Mediterranean design standards and does not consider the request for use land use plan that's exactly what is happening but the problem is that the planning and zoning board made a separate recommendation to consider discussing changing the public review procedure and as requiring a recommendation from the planning board to the board of architect to see what the temperature of the water was as far as the possibility of that being changed the reason that's important is because it gives the board of architect a new tool in their toolbox which is to be able to take a look at something and somebody may be asking for too much and from a massing standpoint the board of

Architects are already qualified to be able to say it should be less because the applicant is asking for something there's no Bert Harris issue so this becomes the ability for the board of Architects to apply their skills in the way that they are trained and the way that they are competent to be able to help the neighborhood preserve those neighborhood qualities property by property the other thing is that in the staff recommendation there was an issue where it says the boa requested that the materials be reviewed by the pz uh the pzb be limited to Maps site plans and other two-dimensional documents in fact that is the exact opposite of what happened what happened was that we had someone come in and we used it as not a specific application but a conceptual application this was a lay person they came in with a model the model that they brought in was incredible because it showed three things it was a model that showed three different colors the first color was what the existing zoning allowed from a massing standpoint the model also had a second color which then was the ask of what they were asking for in other words what the applicant was increasing their their their zoning to so let's say going from five stories to 12 stories then the last color which was placed on top of the model a very simple crude model but it made the point was the additional two or three floors that is allowed by the Mediterranean bonus all these things put together are very important and we're talking three-dimensional not limited to

two-dimensional so I disagree with staff's comment there and it could have been a typo but the whole point here is that the way I see it is that if we take a look at something I would feel more comfortable that the applicant the developer that's coming in you know has a better understanding of what the board of Architects can and cannot do and and I think that's it in a in a nutshell Mr chairman and I just wanted to be a preamble to what Judy was explaining and Judy maybe I missed the point but if you could just address that I would really appreciate it the specific ask of addressing is not the three dimension is that what you're saying that well in the staff report it said it said and other two-dimensional documents for me a modeling uh you know whether it's it's graphic on a computer or whether it's a physical model that shows the character of the neighborhood around it shows the zoning it shows the height and it shows what they're asking for and whatever that would that would What that particular neighbor did that day was impressive I I know the model that you're talking about because they showed it to us I think where staff got that from was the internal discussion that we had at the board of Architects last Thursday was specifically about not cooking the architecture for you all to see right and that was the concern um and we felt that if it was presented in two dimension I guess the majority felt if it was presented in two Dimension it would be less cooked right um because

even massing is us is some cooking right of it but the what I am trying to say is that I I I don't think what we should be doing is looking at the architecture I'm thinking from a planning standpoint no no no and I think it's fair as a dis as a push back from your side and what you all want to see to be able to conduct that conceptual review it's a fair point that you're making right um and I think that's the purpose of this whole discussion is is what do you all think you need to do that I mean you know we had a discussion internally and you know 2D we felt that the architecture we're concerned about you all looking at the architecture right I mean obviously so but we don't look at architecture no no exactly so how much do you need to be able to you know give your opinions on a conceptual level um we didn't feel it was architecture and that's why I think we said 2D so you know if you need a massing model maybe that's the you know the push back that you give yeah and I and I would agree with that and you know going a little bit further in that sentence it says and to focus the scope of the pcb's conceptual review to the proposed changes of the land use in zoning I would act uh also context and compatibility I mean at that point we should also be considering those things yeah I mean the reason I we all felt that it was important for us all to be here or as many of us as possible is because obviously there's nine of us and that means there's nine opinions right we're Architects um so you know and and and at the same time we agree we all understand how important the Synergy between these two boards is because we work hand in hand um so I have what the other opinions are I have a general

question for the for you and the board members which is if you if you have approved plans or have approved projects rather um and you weren't told assume that it's already been approved would the outcome have been different on some of these projects because it seems like the answer has been yes well I can speak only for myself I would say yes can I for myself yes I mean I don't know if everybody feels the same and that's the reason we're and and the thing is I think this is helpful for everybody not only the boards but also if I was a developer I want to know right up front as opposed to getting styed along the way I think this whole process this uh this new process review has help to everyone in terms of not putting in a huge amount of effort to develop the architecture of a building absolutely right and and and This only affects as I said before a small subset of projects but they're extremely important projects because when you're pushing the envelope those decisions will alter the compatibility of anywhere that you are in this city Christina did you want to say something on that um and I know that this is issue has come up before and and I think our offic has tried to clarify it that the board of Architects in reviewing the design can absolutely look at the massing the compatibility with the the neighborhood and Etc um and the issue comes about just how we're speaking about how this board doesn't look at the architecture the board of Architects should not look at the requests for the land use change and the zoning uh changes and so their review should be limited to the design so from a if the design is not compatible with the neighborhood Hood regardless of what the zoning is you're looking at the

design the height Etc is if it's not compatible they could certainly make those determinations on a case-by Case basis based on a particular design and I know we've had some some discussions on this but I you know I want to reiterate that that doesn't mean that this is not a a change to the process that can occur I think um we're hearing from all of you and I think we heard from Board of Architects that they find that this would be helpful to have a conceptual review at the Planning and Zoning level so that early on there's a some feedback non-binding of course some feedback as to um the requests for the land use changes and the zoning changes I think this is a win-win situation specifically you know for for the board of Architects having more clarity you know as far as the direction of the planning board and I think also it it gives the developer the understanding of what to expect and how far to go along you know before they they they either uh pull the OB ctor seat or or or or proceed and and then the third thing is the protection of the neighborhoods we have been devastated over the years and and and this is the changes of Master Plan of of the comprehensive land use plan sorry I dated myself but the but the comprehensive land use plan people don't understand when you make a change like that we are sitting in a building today that that is surrounded by big buildings and these buildings have rideways that are so small that they could barely get emergency vehicles in and out of here and it can accommodate the traffic and and unfortunately the problem is that we've taken the original planning and then we have subverted it by making these changes that have changed changed the fabric of

the city and if you want Manhattan just go north that's where it is this is in Manhattan and we don't have certain elements that could help us in resolving the issues that have been created by changes of the comprehensive land use plan and the zoning map I mean the zoning map is is something that that's your limitation when you look at the comprehensive land use plan that's your ceiling there have been a lot of people in this city that have a problem with that but that's the way it really works but Felix the responsibility of the design aspect is the board of Architects so if you're saying that they're allowing too big of a building or too big of a massing are you saying that the board of Architects isn't doing what they're supposed to be doing no I respect the board of Architects that I chaired many years ago they do a great job a great they do an incredible job and it's a thankless job but I've got to tell you that the problem that I have is that when the architect on the board of Architects says to the applicant what is the ask what are you asking for where are you going beyond what is already Zone there they're not allowed to ask that question I'm not talking about the use I'm talking about now the mass the size the massing so the other thing is that in their in their design constructs they are allowed to be able to look at the compatibility of the neighborhood and in

fact there have been over the years where you have to have drawings of what's around you sometimes it could be something as simple as a house if most of the houses are one story compared to twostory and sometimes it has to do with the the the styles of the different different areas in the neighborhood so for me I think the problem that I've had is that because we don't look at the architecture as Robert said we get something from the board of Architects but we haven't been told that they have been Limited in looking at the massing so sometimes let's say an applicant is asking for a change of zoning and maybe their height restriction now goes from five to 10 stories but in the neighborhood that they had there was a protection based on that existing zoning because of the size of what's around that area now that doesn't mean that some of that massing can't be pushed to another part of the site but the problem is that we should be looking at that first from a conceptual standpoint and see if it's a over the top and let me give you a very specific example one of the the great developers in this in this city Alan Morris came in with a very large project it was it was too much and then kept hitting his head and then he made a decision and he changed that project which was approved by the board and then the commission and it's

probably going to be under construction zo the difference is that if Alan Morris would have come here first for this conceptual at this level because he would have fit right in that subset he probably wouldn't have wasted all that time and money but but I hear the board of Architects saying differently I hear the board of Architects saying it needs to come to them first am I hearing you wrong Judy not for this subset no we're specifically saying con conceptual review by Planning and Zoning concep prior to us not your final review but just a big picture you know discussion because we feel you all are more qualified for the Planning and Zoning aspects that we are either you know not that well versed in or you know not looking at in the same way that you all are looking at and honestly it it's not really our purview for permission either I agree so that's the same way we don't look at design right so can comment on it but we don't that's not our purview right so we're specifically saying if you all do a conceptual review first then when we see the buildings even as a conceptual review if they so choose to at least we have some Assurance some understanding of your comments even right because you may say no and they may say still go ahead I'm assuming is possible but at least we'll understand where this board lies within but by the same token we're going to be looking at something we're not going to be looking at anything we just going to be looking at proposed zoning change or land use change or height no no oral mass or or massing but

should that not be then conceptually reviewed by the board of Architects before coming to us because they're going to bring a massive it's going to you know probably you know be the whole site you know and what what are we going to be looking at if I tend to agree with that comment to be honest with you well if you remember the model that was brought by the resident I can't remember you were here yeah I I think the model you know showing and this and and I remember when the the that particular resident said and this is our house you know this is my house and these are the houses next to it all of a sudden you were able to to understand that so the the conceptual is not the conceptual that the board of Architects looks at the conceptual can be another type of concept it could be from massing to intensity to all sorts of things like that I agree but this board is not a board of Architects so no no I'm looking at it from a planning standpoint we're not looking at the design so when you look at from a planning standpoint in zoning Robert one of the first things you do is what are the limitations what is the limit that I am I'm allowed and then you may have you may have the the client that says well you know I want much more than that you you made a comment a little while ago where maybe part of the site could allow to have higher massing or something to that effect well should that not be first looked add by the core of Architects before us well this this is why I M to be is a more compatible then th this is why I said it was a non-binding why because the applicant come come in and

say you know what I don't care what you guys think I want to go to the boa and the boa now starts to hone in on that particular building where now it starts to take shape and they may agree or disagree then it comes here the problem that we have is that when you get into the up zoning is that you're getting into an up zoning where you're only looking at a map that has a different color and a different designation the problem that we have is that we're not looking into something from a compatibility standpoint and the compatibility standpoint it could be that you put a big building in an area that allows big buildings let's say if you're in the middle of the CBD you come in here with a conceptual they're coming up for more height that's fine the problem that I have is that not all the areas are like that for example on us one we all have discussed these enormous buildings that were built on US1 in Coral Gables it was not the board of Architects fault that was a problem with the procedure that this this board did not say no I disagree disagree respect every member of this board Deni those project we denied those projects every every single one because we were here I don't know if you were here at the time but I I Deni those project completely all of all yes sir what about and go back on record so you can see that and and and I actually think Felix I actually think with the Allen Moors project right whether he would have come here first with the way he came in and this was during Co and I remember explicitly right whether he would have come in here first

for conceptual or not I think he would have come in the same way it's possible I I think what happened was that he was turned down so many times coming back right that he actually switched teams completely um and I think chairman he came here here and we denied correct that's what I'm saying yeah remember you were here with us his project was denied all the way through what was the uh project near the University of Miami b b b was denied by yes you denied the B yeah yeah okay and and same was Gable's station right as a matter of fact I had to sit out from the Gable station because the the developer went to at the time of the previous City attorney house office and conflicted me out yes but that that received from this board 60 now so so you think that this is a bad idea no no no but can I say something no I think it's the reverse because if we had known you all would have said no that would have given us great ammunition we said yes because we were told we had no purview on sides I mean I agree with you there but isn't isn't it good to know that the come in with you know a some sort of massing yeah maybe that makes sense because otherwise where are we going to be you know we going to be looking at a at a just a a spot zoning I don't know I mean Christina so I just want to I'm trying to also manage expectations here the board of Architects in reviewing the design also should not if there's feedback from the Planning and Zoning Board as to the land use and Zoning change that really should not form the basis for your denial or approval right your your review again is based on the

design you can always consider the compatibility the massing you can always consider that b based on design and and when we say that there's an assumption that the zoning is there or the land use is there it's because you're not looking at what the Delta is between what they have and what they're asking for it's is it compatible this design and I know this is a conversation that we keep having and I think there's for you know uh we'll work we'll continue to work to try to make this clear because it's um again I I I understand what you're saying and I think we you and I have had meetings about this as well um but again you should not feel handcuffed in that way you can today look at those criteria that are in the zoning code you can look at that criteria yeah so CH so and and I love Allan more to death he's being honored as a landmark guy at our car Gable's Museum Galla so but I remember that specifically and and and I I don't know I can't even draw a straight line but I understand kind of the concept here that when Allen's first building came in and we said it was too tall I think he attempted to try to redesign it by basically squashing it or or or minimizing and it didn't even it didn't look any better so I guess my question is if the board of architect approves it we deny the massing and the height and the bonuses it has to be redesigned go back goes back so we're just trying to eliminate we're just trying we're trying to eliminate that that Gob back is how I look at this yeah I I again I think this is helpful for all parties there is no hurt here but but wait a minute I I Christina I'd like to address exactly what what you were saying so let's say again we have have an existing zoning that allows five stories in

height and an applicant is coming in with a change where he wants now 10 stories in height and it's surrounded by these apartments that could only go 45 fet four stories in height so now if I look at it on a conceptual thing and I say you know what it's too much right same thing as what happened to Allen so if you do that you're giving them the ability of saying you're going to have push back you're not just asking for change of zoning you're asking for doubling or tripling the height by doing that and you're looking at the neighborhood around you you have a problem on your hands now you could also ask for that change of zoning with a covenant limiting the height and that's up to the developer to come up with but the problem here is that where the incompat incompatibility happens is it happens on the early stages of any project when the developer makes the decision can we get it done so normally a developer is buying a piece of land where he knows what he could build or he's willing to take a risk of being able to push the envelope that's where I have a problem but Felix the problem I think is that by the time it comes here he already went to the RC you know the the conceptual thec neighborhood meetings and everybody else before it comes to us correct right what this should be doing is eliminating that whole process and conceptually coming to

that to the boa and to the pl Z and I went one step further when the the original motion was passed unanimously I went one step further and the step I went was saying nonbinding conceptual at this level which doesn't preclude then the board of Architects to looking at it what's it called now conceptual the conceptual which is their preliminary shot now they're looking at a building that that's a lot more cooked but if this particular developer came in and instead of asking he's got five but instead of asking for 10 he's asking for something that is more compatible with the neighborhood now you all would know exactly which way we're leaning and then that gives you the tool to be able to look at the massing differently I what's strikes me is that I have through this entire process I have not seen one developer come in and agree or disagree with us and I have not seen one attorney for a developer come in to speak on this subject agree or disagree right and and that to me strikes me um that does what I'm sorry that does what that that strikes me oh strikes it frightens you if if a developer wants to come in and say you know what I don't want to go through all that or thank you you're helping I would like to do that because you're helping the expense which is what we're saying we're helping a developer's expense why aren't they coming in and telling us that it it it's that is a residual component of this the concern here is unfortunately what has happened in the past is that the board of Architects has been limited because they're being told specifically by the city attorney's office that you

have to look look at this thing as if it had already been approved so now they're looking at this particular building where instead of five stories it's 10 or 15 stories whatever the the ask is but you guys don't know that you can't tell them you know that's just too massive I'm not talking about use I'm talking about that the height is too much and that's where that model came into play that's what was the the the most important part of that model is that when you look at these intensities and the massings this is where you apply the common sense of something where compatibility comes into play which is written all over the code but the board of Architects thinks that they're they're handcuffed they're here that's the most important part for me it's not the developers being here here it's these people being here the people that guard this city I agree with you wholeheartedly but you spoke about the cost that the developer goes through and that's and that's why I said that statement but by the same token if you've got our City attorney and our city staff D giving direction it's got to be Direction that's within the code or within their purview or else they wouldn't be giving that direction to the board of Architects so is is the problem or is the concern with our code the way it is and not necessarily the step no it it it is a pro a procedural problem with the code okay and and and just so you know only this subset of people that are asking for the change of zoning or the change of the land use plan everybody

else is under a matter of right under the code that's I don't know what the percentage would be but it has to be a very high that's everybody we see I'm sorry that's everybody we see well no because because then you have in reality it's there are some site plan reviews that aren't seeking a that's what I'm was going to say pads and things like that that come before this board the and and again this goes back to uh the city attorney's office has a difficult situation they they have to give some type of direction to the board of AR architect and what's happened is that you must assume this I'm not making this up they're all here and they could they could tell you because they had to listen to the City attorney say it but there's got to be a reason the City attorney is saying that but um again because they make that assumption does not mean they can they can still reject a project even if they make that assumption they can still reject the project if they determine on a case-by casee basis that that design the architecture and the design considering the massing ETC all those other criteria that are in the zoning code under their their standards of review they can still reject a project right for those reasons let's talk about the massing you're thinking the massing of only the project I'm thinking of the massing and the relationship of the massing with the surrounding area for compatibility absolutely they can consider the compatibility absolutely but so that is irrelevant but I guess what I'm trying to say it's irrelevant whether they already have the zoning change or not it's so they're looking at from an architecture perspective from a design perspective they're looking at the design and comparison to the neighborhood and the rest of you know the the surrounding area I I think I mean I think this is a an amazing conversation because it's a procedural problem that

came up because the city attorney's office was present with the board of Architects and gave them a specific instruction that l limit limited them from using all the tools that are written in black and white in the code am I getting something wrong here Judy so I I I need to respectfully disagree that we're limiting their tools I think we've actually emphasized that they can use those tools it's just the the the request for the land use it's not it's not in their criteria those requests are not in their criteria the request for you're talking about land use like if it was an actual use it's not we're talking about we're talk no we're when you're looking at zoning you look at setbacks you look at floor area you look at density and then you look at height and you look at many other factors but when you say land use it's not like the use that this is an apartment building and this is shopping center of course not but I want to make sure that this is crystal clear because they're being told specifically and they have been told for a long time that they cannot weigh in on certain factors and they could only look at the architecture and the Esthetics of the architecture very big difference between looking at a style of a window compared to looking if if it should be stepped down when they're being told that they can't do that and if I can say because and I'm not speaking for the board I don't know how everybody feels on this but from my review at the board if the City attorney is is coming in there and saying you need to assume that this is approved it's a very different pressure to to not having that okay because if they're going to a much different height as an example or allowing a you know a a

loading dock right opposite a single family house and we have to assume that those aspects of it are approvable it's very very different right to to being able to say you know what I don't think this is this is the right project in terms of height for this location and you can do that today is all I'm trying to say and I understand there seems to be a disconnect and so we my office is committed to continue to work with the board of Architects because you could do that today from a design perspective it doesn't meet the criteria that set forth in the code that is all I'm trying to just make clear and so we like again I don't think that impacts necessarily this item today because I think we've we've heard different reasons why this is a helpful tool um meaning the adding the conceptual review by this board so you all can make that determination or recommendation as to as to that but um I I do want everyone to know that we are committed to continue to work with the board of Architects and make sure that they are crystal clear on the authority that they have under the zoning code respectfully I'd like to just add one one thing at one of the public hearings before in the planning board um I was told specifically that I misunderstood and just so happens that I think Judy and Peter were here at that time and Judy came up and specifically said no we have been told this although you're saying one thing the key here is that they are being told in a non-recorded meeting where there's no access of recording of anything to hear who said what and how which I think is important to have at the boa when it comes to these very large specific projects where people are asking for increases of the zoning code or the

comprehensive land use plan which affects all those property around it I mean listen people are sick and tired of having things built where they're not compatible and we're missing the message and I think that's wrong and and this is just a device a procedural device to be able to give the boa the ability to do what they do although you're saying it's okay to do it but then you know come next Thursday they may have someone from the city attorney's office telling them the exact opposite I have a problem with that you know we have we have two two other members of the board of Architects here would either one of you like to or or we have a number would any of these gentlemen like to come up and weigh in on this hold on a second Robert wanted to make a com listen this is very simple we all agree this is going to be the right process to follow the question is does it come here first or does it go to the boa and come back to us conceptual I said the word nonbinding so which one goes first you know with the chicken with the egg right that's that's the question sir go ahead please may I uh Georgio B with offices 1533 Sunset Drive In in The Gables um I'm a recent member in the board and um I you know I'm sorry Mr chair the um I have to interrupt when the applicants come I'm sorry I'm I'm sorry I need to interrupt you're a member of the board of Architects so unfortunately this meeting was not noticed as a meeting of the board of Architects so we cannot have we're all members of the board of arch I know so we've had one member speak but you should all not you can listen but you should not have a back and forth disc discussion about something because it could come again before you it's something you might all discuss at some other time so due to the Sunshine Law but how was this

advertised it's it's advertised as a meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board there was no sunshine notice for of AR can this gentleman come before us as a resident and do you live in the Gable sir I work in the G so he's not a resident I think there still be a challenge with the Sunshine Law I think she's just trying to protect just trying to protect the process well you know our intention was to have have members of the board of The Architects speak at this meeting why wasn't it advertised so I understanding someone was the the chair was designated to speak before you all Robert you were saying something no I I you know for me again for me it's a very simple it it it you know it has to go through a conceptual for both the board of Architects and uh I still believe that it should go there first and come to us and the reason for that is before it goes through the whole entire process you know it it gets conceptually from both I don't know what the other board members to to feel they should be the case if i' like to I'd like to support Robert and in his uh in his point I think that it should go to the board of Architects first because they're the ones are looking at it holistically with regards to the size of the building and its environment and its its ability to actually fit in within the the fabric of the city conceptually in a conceptual basis and then they can go and they can come here and at that point we will have the benefit of their review which in a non-binding way to inform our position to also present a conceptional review and opinion on the project and then it goes back to the board of Architects for a full review so it can start the process going forward and they will know then they will know

and also it gives the residents notice of things happening sooner Judy let me ask the reason I supported it initially I ju I just wanted to ask Judy a question Judy if you have a conceptual review on a big project today when you look at a project a big project you have the entire board looking at it yes absolutely okay yes if you would do a conceptual review would then would you then have the entire Board review it is that the idea yes okay it is the it is the idea and just if I could say yes the the strong consensus of commentary that I guess has to be filtered through me yes um um it is that it just doesn't make sense the ask is a land use change that is what needs to occur first and you work from the big picture to the small picture and we're just we're looking at the architecture anybody can make a big building look good but I think if it comes before us for a land use change and we make a determination that it's not a conceptual review no no no no no remember it's not even a conceptual here it's a nonbinding nonbinding makes a big difference to come for us for conceptual review a lot of architectural work needs to occur right right it needs to be a building looks like a building the style needs to be determined the detailing needs to be determined you know cuz we're going to comment on all of those things it doesn't make sense and I think that maybe what we need to do forgive me through the chair is that we just need to limit what the what the requirement of that conceptual reviews to the board of Architects to just a a massing study and a u uh a context study period and a story we can make that decision and then when it comes to us we can see okay let's look at the zoning that makes

sense there is it's a series of boxes we've already heard that that's what what we were looking for a very simplistic view of the ultimate massing that they're looking to do and whether or not it fits in with the surrounding area forget the fenestrations forget all the gingerbread forget the everything just the mass so then you're suggesting that we look at it first this non-binding conceptual look it goes to the board of Architects for massing and context and then it comes here so if we appr if we have conceptual approv and massing the board has to say well that was approved they got to follow that right are they B but but they have no guidance one at a time are they going to base the massing and the context on what they might receive from a Mediterranean bonus or are they going to base it on what the code stands for they should base the developer should be submitting to them what their intention is with with the expect whether it has included Mediterranean bonuses or not where there's an increase in and only if it's an increase in in in the the uh the development rights of the property either through zoning or F whatever that's the subset that that Felix is talking about right specifically and what we're looking for is a is a massing review and context review only from the board of Architects and they're the ones they're in charge of that not us and once it gets to them they the can come with the same set of drawings or or exhibits and say hey we want to build this what do you think and then we can give them an opinion and then everybody knows where we're going with this but Felix let me let me present something to you sure it goes through the board of Architects an an enormous building because the board of architect I'm taking an assumption the board of Architects is being told you have to assume that they've gotten

everything they've asked for just going all the way out there that building comes before us don't we look at it individually each member and come to a conclusion by the vote that and we've done this before where we said that thing is just a monster it's just too big right and basically they can go the developer and the attorney can go to the commission with a denial sure and proceed further so what what tool are we putting in by doing the conceptual back and forth except except maybe a process to notify the neighbors more so no let me give you a specific example many years ago there was a family that owned what is today Pond Circle Park oret part and they wanted the city to buy it they were allowed based on the zoning map something and they came in with a high rise right in the middle of that Park the city eventually bought it became their property if today someone has that property and says I want to put whatever the maximum is that that's that could be allowed there they come in with a change of zoning and they come in with a comprehensive use plan if they would go to the board of Architects first with a building the board of Architects would not be able to rely on anything from a massing standpoint but the board of Architects is there to look at the design aspect of that building of the building and the contextual relationship the contextual relationship of the neighborhood but then it comes to this board that's correct but if that

applicant would come before for us first we could tell them without a doubt that we don't think it's compatible with the neighborhood that's just an example what if that applicant doesn't want to come to you first don't take me wrong I understand what you're saying we should do right but that goes back to my point I haven't seen a single developer come in here and talk about this at all well the reason personally I don't understand it because I think it does affect them well you know I maybe I shouldn't say this but if if I were the developer then then why come here because he knows he's going to go to the board of Architects and they're being told you you you can't do this and you can't do that that's why the developers aren't lined up here that's that's the 800lb gorilla in the room the problem the problem is that no one is a pining and look staff does their job and they make a recommendation and they make it based on certain things but at the end of the day staff makes a recommendation it's not binding on us but it's a recommendation what I'm saying is get a recommendation here before you go to the board of Architects and then keep anybody else from interfering with the board of Architects and what they are charged to do what do you mean keep anybody else from interfering in other words at this time what happens is that when there is an ask for additional zoning and or intensity and the change of a comprehensive land use plan they're being told that you have to assume that it's already been approved so they're looking at something completely different and and that's a

problem and we could talk about it all night but it is an issue and it's a subset of this and the other thing is that this is because not only are they asking for the change of zoning Andor land use plan but they're specifically going to be asking for Mediterranean bonuses which adds another two or three stories depending on what they're doing and now you're looking at a building that possibly is much bigger than should have been wherever it is with the change of zoning because all of this now affects massing intensity and the surrounding area who makes the ultimate determination well the ultimate determination without a doubt is always the elected official that that is that is absolutely true but at the same time you know the person that receives most of the criticism is the board of Architects and it's it's unrightful for them to be criticized for doing their job with their hands tied behind their back that's just my opinion I I don't know if they receive all the criticism I don't know if I'd agree with you well you know it's the same thing you're right the ultimate decision is the commission and the ultimate decision of the change of this this procedure is also the commission correct let's kick it up to the commission without a recommendation let them figure it out so I a motion I have a motion to uh move this item before you do that I just want to find out if we have any more speakers any any other speakers that have signed up whatsoever no okay I'll go ahead and close the floor I do have just one question what are we being asked to do I I know there's a resolution from the commission and there's a proposed

ordinance um that that staff has prepared to that effect so what if is the commission already acted on this kind of in a way the commission basically ask staff to to consult with the board of Architects and to bring to bring this matter before you staff has gone ahead and prepared a text Amendment to the zoning code that changes the process by and you know I'll defer to to to Jennifer but basically to uh create a conceptual review by this board when there is a request to change the land use or a the zoning uh boundary okay Jennifer did I right right so if you go to page two and page three of your staff report there's those flow charts basically and this ISS adding in a conceptual review by the Planning and Zoning Board within any requests for the zoning and for the land changes you got it and Jennifer this is this is a not a requirement it's an optional no as of today it is required it would be required that's what I was ask it's non-binding no the the original motion that was passed by this board unanimously was non-binding correct but it's it's a required step as drafted unless the board wants to suggest to be to be an optional but it's it's as drafted it's a required step in the process right but the feedback will be feedback it will be non-binding in other words you know the the applicant can't come back and say but you all told me you were in favor of this right it's non-binding it's a conceptual it is conceptual feedback I I think that one of the issues here and and Chip put his finger on it and that was that the way that this is the way that it's written is not clear that's the reason I am got my copy completely marked up uh I sue was going to make a recommendation I'm going going to uh defer any motion to uh Felix okay all right is that okay Mr chairman okay yeah

yeah I thought you were gonna make a motion I was but he's the master okay I I'd like to make a motion to change the procedure for proposed projects that include a land use and or zoning change to have a non-binding conceptual review by the planning board first and then that recommendation is forward to the board of Architects as part of their consideration for their mandatory conceptual review I'm not sure I'm clear it comes to us first I'm sorry it comes to us first and then they use our recommendation non-binding in their review of massing and uh disposition is that correct would you be able to read the the motion so it's not as written what was as written it's not as written here that's why I had to change it

wait you can borrow my microphone if I can play it who's who's going to take the notes as you're reading it thank you I would like to make a motion to change the procedure for proposed projects that include a land use and or zoning change to have a nonbing conceptual review by the planning board first and then that recommendation is forwarded to the board of Architects as part of their consideration for the man their mandatory conceptual review Felix what happens to all the other steps the developer has to take before the board of Architects they go through all those steps and technically on the chart when it goes to the board of Architects I think you said the word first that includes every procedure DRC Etc which I think staff had the the graph in there yes so just to clarify um in our zoning code we have separate requests so the board of Architects as much as we adore them they're not part of the land use changes or the zoning changes so the request of having this Board review a proposed land user zoning change first would be captured most likely in administrative order by city city manager instead of trying to crisscross it into the zoning code because right now the zoning codes kind of separate as far as the requests go does that make sense I'm okay with that okay there's a motion on the floor I second we have a second any discussion I just want to make sure Jennifer's clear in the motion and and you'd be able to put that into the text Amendment the proposed text yes my understanding is that this board of the board of Architects that the sport should review the conceptual reviews first and that those comments and non-binding discussion that happens here will be forwarded to the board of Architects before they review the project and the conceptual level so in

other words still get our minutes can I can I ask a question are there time frames tied to all of this procedure that have to be adopted no just fees have to be adopted we have to charge applicants and fees but there's not a change in the timeline so there's like 60 days or 30-day time frames that have to be we don't have that in zoning code no and and I I just want to make make sure that the board of Architects somehow has a record of what we have said so they have that as part of their design constructs if you will right so we'll have the record we'll have the the minutes that are being typed right now for every single uh change in L and Zoning we'll make sure that's forwarded to the board of Architects thank you for their we have a motion we have a second any other discussion call the role please Su calinski yes Felix Paro yes harier Salon yes chip withs yes Robert bear no Julio Gabriel yes Abad no 52 I passed all right the next item yes Mr chair keep in mind that that was that was a good discussion 8:41 that was a good discussion should we take a five minute break let's take a five minute break but let's keep mind we have how many more items on the agenda tonight two well we've got E4 and E5 but we also skipped uh E2 I I'm going make a motion to when we come back that maybe E2 goes to I I think the plan that Jennifer will tell you very specific we have to get a

recommendation for that tonight we're on timeline with the state for that one I just okay let's take let's take a break five minute break please recording stopped that's e e

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e e recording in progress uh start from this would I'd like to uh I'd like to start the meeting back on please um it is 8:51 right now so we don't have to interrupt is there a motion to go past 9 o'cl make a motion to uh extend to 9:30 everybody in favor say I I I third all right uh could we read the next item in please which would be E2 that we skipped yes E2 is an ordinance of the city Commission of Coral Gables Florida requesting amendments to the text and maps of the City of Coral Gable's comprehensive plan pursuant to expedited State review procedures um section

163.5 184 Florida Statutes and Zoning code article 14 process section 14-2 2 and three comprehensive plan text and map amendments to update as a result of the city's evaluation and appraisal report the minim minimum planning periods and Sewer requirements as well as amendments to certain goals objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan providing for repear provision providing for cability clause and providing for an effective date Foria planning Zing director I am sharing my screen perfect so um really quick you guys have had this power point in your um your um submitt so um I'm going to go this really quickly um our comprehensive plan as you know is adopted back in the um early 80s 1980 actually um was the first comprehensive plan we've amended it many times since then particularly oh particularly there's been some ear base amendments ear base means um evaluation appraisal report is a process that's required by our state to make sure that our comp plan is basically consistent with any state statutes um so we are um we have found two State statutes that we need to comply with um one is one is um expanding the kind of the short-term long-term planning periods from five to 10 years and 10 to 20 years um as well as some feasibility um requirements for sewer Services um and that's you'll find that in the attachment um a of your um your staff report I'm going to go this really quickly um part of the process of an ear based amendment is to show the state you guys know this of course because you've been here for many many years but to show the state who's not familiar with Coral Gables um how we've been you know um um achieving our comprehensive plan so there's a mix of uses that we have here um we did find some discrepancies it's one of our comp plan um policies um we have a goal to be able to fix that we're at 28 properties with this this uh discrepancies um and consistencies

between the existing and future land use of of the comp plan and the existing land uses um affordable housing we've been we were able able to update our affordable housing uh study in 2017 so we'll find that also um as part of the packet before you um schools we've I don't think we've grown in any public schools since um the original adoption of the comp plan let's see um we've been able to expand our Trolley system so we've kind of updated those policies in our comp plan as well um our current trolley riers ship averages around 4,000 passengers so you also see that adjusted in the comp plan policy as well and then also um for Parks and Recreation um there have been new facilities and new parks that have been acquired by the city so those are going to be captured um in the uh level of service map so the comp plan see and there's also been a historic district along Coral Way that needs to be incorporated into that map um we've done a lot of uh green initiatives um and you can find that more detail of that in the actual um inventory that's attached to your staff report um also the find that we've gotten from the U National Community survey um incorporating that as well um into that report and this is actually a very interesting diagram we've done um to show kind of the value per acre you can see that um as we've been focusing our Redevelopment in downtown and along uh US1 specifically around the metro rail station of Douglas um we've been able to to increase that value per acre let's see so just as a quick recap um again we're just updating the the planning periods of our comprehensive plan to reflect the requirements by the conference requirements by the state um we're also removing some of this outdated Language by the 2007 zoning

code rewrite because it's kind of outdated language that we need to update it doesn't really apply anymore um also updating some policies and corresponding Target dates because they of course were a little bit out of date you know prior to 2011 prior to 2016 so we've been able to update that um in accordance to the 10year 20-year planning Horizons and also updating some outdated references to the florid the Florida state statutes and then um again revising that Parks and Recreation U goals and judgment policies based on um coordination with the parks recreation department um updating that map particularly and also the historic resources District map that's we can see here so historic uh Landmark District's map on the left side you'll see the incorporation of that uh new District along coralway and then also the five additional uh new parks and Facilities on the map on the right side that measures the level of service for Parks so um we have reviewed this and we find that does comply with the the comprehensive plan um as well as being satisfied for the Amendments and that does staff does recommend to transmit this um after first reading of course to um to Florida commerce thanks thank you yes I got a question I just have a question when it says ensure alignment with State priorities what if we disagree with aligning with a state priority what's our option live live locally no well coincidentally well that that was my question there's no mention in here at all of live local under affordable housing and and and you know I was expecting like a map where in Coral Gables that would could be applied and but there's no mention of this so we are doing the very bare minimum as far as what the state is requiring us to put

into our comprehensive plan they're not requiring us to put in live local and policies and objectives related to that right now as of now um so we're not incorporating that we're kind of just doing what is required of us from the from the state's standpoint Point into our comp plan but I mean it would be helpful I mean I'd like to see a map of where these projects could be built for example I mean that that is like a major Hammer that has come down that's going to affect numerous areas in Coral Gables why why would that be more detailed here map is included in the local application you've seen in past meetings it's one of the displays it's one of the PowerPoint slides it shows all the mixed use districts and that's where the local would apply for right and why isn't it in here because we're not putting that policy into to our comprehensive plan you don't want to put that policy into the comprehens you don't it's ever changing yeah all right well when it says revised references to State statutes isn't that like the biggest one no so there's been State statutes that have kind of moved around in the past 15 years we're basically just um specifying where exactly that state statute is they're a little bit outdated there's one that was like a rule uh 9j I think and it moved to uh chapter 163 so we're just updating that reference okay Mr chair yes sir um I I when I'm changing something I always like to see what I had before before I get what I want so when there's I I found I found the document overwhelming because of the references that are there so in other words if you don't have the reference or you don't understand that's one thing the second thing is that when you say well we're we're changing these updates I don't understand exactly what you changed is you know is it the the year of the the adopted code you know what I it is it is very hard to follow and I

would imagine how long did you work on this a week a month six months because we get this document at the end of Friday and I I I'm looking at it I spend my time looking at this over the weekend I'm looking at it you know a couple more more times and I I have a very difficult time understanding it because I can't I have questions and and I don't feel comfortable the first thing that chip said he said well you know how do we just took one little sentence and he says we're we're complying with everything that the state does and I said live local I disagree 100% with li lo I think that's the worst thing that that that this legislature has ever done it doesn't promote affordable housing that's a lie when you when you look at the wrench once you once you apply it based on those things that that is just nonsense so that's not affordable housing what affordable housing is what we have north of us here in the in the in the apartment District the north Gables Apartment District that's a p Wilder what what I'm trying to say is that how can we adopt or Vote or agree with something that unfortunately has so many holes I'm trying to agree with it but I can't even wrap my head around it so the the first I guess probably half of that um data analysis report um is kind of for the states of course the board is welcome to look into that and that's fine but it's really just taking the analysis of things that we kind of already know is happening in our city and giving it to them so they understand where we're coming from right what we should be looking at are the strike through an underline at the end of that report the text and the map that's the changes that are proposed and you'll see that a lot of them are just updating the years updating in the plan Horizons adding a sentence about coordinating

with the Miami County as far as this the sewer system goes so let me understand this you're taking this document you're sending it as an update so we comply with the state requirement of updating our comprehensive line use as as required by by the state yes right required by the state and again the state's not requiring us to put any in our conf about back in the 80s sometimes that's okay and and that's okay but the but the the problem that I have is what if you you know you want to change something like our transport mass transportation here stinks we don't have any you know are we addressing are are we addressing all sorts of things that are part of the factors that go into this how can we just push the paper over there and and and not change it in such a way where it means something instead of just complying with whatever the requirement is I'm not trying to put you on the spot I'm just trying to say are we missing an opportunity to do something with this document when we send it to the state and also make darn sure that we put things in there that we won't agree with State policies right and the only two State policies are the planning periods which I guess we could disagree with but I mean they seem pretty fine the 10 year and 20e planing Horizons and the sewer uh feasibility which is really not on the city to do right we know that we are managed by the county so it's kind of according with the county the way it reads it's according with the county as far as what's feasible for the sewer conversion those only two real requirements at the same time when we going through our analysis of the comp plan what needs to be updated many of the years are outdated many of the information as far as the you know affordable housing study was updated it needs to be in the comp plan um there are also new facilities as far as new parks that was also being updated as well as the historic preservation now we're not putting any

um uh new uh policy that relates to Transit those policies still remain the comp plant as far as we want to have greater rip on our trolley as much as we can right and there's also policies as far as just wan to to locate uh your intensity density next to Transit stations as well so those still remain in the comp plan um I'm not sure how else you would think we would need to have a policy to and improve our our real transit system when we're really relying on the Mi County for for example you talk about Parks so when we put housing projects up and we've taken all the setbacks basically away we're pushing the buildings to the edge of the sidewalk and we have very little of any green space 10% maybe everyone's in a blue moon so when you do that when those people are living in those areas where do they go as far as a park because part of our calculations which is which is crazy is you know massis and hammock and things like that which are you know completely out of the scope of the usability of the people that are in this area so my question is you know I can't understand what we're evaluating you know or are we just kicking the ball down the you know down the line here I I don't understand it so again as far as the parks recreation goes we have a Qui I believe five new facilities and new parks one right up the street right here in the core of our you know North Pond's downtown area um so those policies and that map is being updated accordingly as far as um policy goes the policy in our in our um policy in our Recreation element is to be a FIV minute walk from any park whether it be a large M hammock park or a small Urban space that's still a comp plan policy that we have we want to make sure we have those those areas of relief

and the areas of parks people can be able to get to so that policy Still Remains that we want to have you know easy access to to Parks I don't know maybe maybe every maybe I'm just tired but um I I I really don't I can't grasp besides we have to have it within x amount of years you know the update at the state level I I I don't understand why we haven't been discussing this for a matter of time over a certain amount of meetings instead of us getting a package you know on Friday which which which the ramifications could be huge because you you could put something in or take something out and we don't understand or at least I don't understand what it is so maybe I'm maybe I'm you know like I said maybe I'm just I mean the the board wants we can go through the changes I think there's about six pages but most of them are just bullet points that we're not touching right and it starts on page 26 so the changes that you would be making a recommendation I'll just so we're all clear begin on page 26 of your packet and so those are the amendments and there's strikethroughs and and um and underlines with the changes does this item has to be Pro approved tonight yes so we did submit um ear based uh letter back in I think February of last year we have one year to comply with that so we as we're Gathering data and we wait till the end of the year and make sure we have all the complete data for the entire year some of the information we had to wait to basically close out that year this as soon as we get to it's it's only it's only page 26 that is the um the change to the the the text that is being that you're making it right Jennifer is that correct it's the strikethroughs and

underlines Okay so if Mr chairman I'm sorry beginning at page 26 I you know I didn't get it until you know we're looking at page 26 period and the story be no no beginning at page 26 2636 okay so on the on the uh on the flu 1.19 from 2004 2007 that strike out when was the last code re rewrite that we had I mean we had a zoning code update but didn't really change the much of the content of the zoning code so we're just erasing that because it's not really relevant anymore okay so you wouldn't annually change it so therefore that's why you're taking that sentence out well yes we are still going to annually look at our at our zoning code but we're not going to refer to a 20047 right there's no comprehensive rewrite okay right so and on the on the flu 44 the the city completed a review of the existing Land Development regulation that is stricken out because they haven't done another one since then correct so we're still going to annually review any land use development regulations the rest of that policy applies are the are there any strikeouts that that affect the comprehensive land use plan or the zoning code or concurrency no in any way share perform no no because so this if you go on to page 27 the next page education that we're just striking through outdated 2010 information because we coordinate

with the public school system I probably the only maybe substantial change um we brought is related to parking um as far as private facilities let me see if I can find that one and and and how would you address Chip's common remind me again what Chip's comment was the comment about the state you know about local the state policies well again there are only two um we don't disagree unless the board disagrees with the short-term long-term 10 year and 20 year planning periods that's being updated from the five and 10 year as a built out City it seems to make sense from a planning perspective um we're not a city that's kind of growing you know horizontally and and spreading out I I mean look since the State of Florida has basically declared war on home rule is that a fair statement that's a problem for me because home rule is makes us do what we do and and when they initiate you know things like live local that that's that's not an alignment with what I think I understand I I would like to see that that portion of it Rewritten or or or stricken so again we don't really mention live local anywhere in here it's not proposed you're from the state statute point of view about the section specifically about us being aligned I don't want to be blindly aligned with anything I don't want someone to come back you know from the state and say well you agreed to this thing and so if I can clarify Jennifer jump in if I'm not getting this right I don't think we're saying that I think that was Jennifer's summary when your bullet points when you were summarizing or or focusing the key areas of of what what these changes were you have a line that says update specific policies and corresponding Target dates to ensure alignment with state and local

priorities that does not mean that is not in the am the actual text correct that language is not in the text that you are making a recomend that's that's in the summary of the key areas that are being addressed um and that's just there were two policies as what Jennifer saying that were updated to menure alignment with the state policies right so maybe we can show us where those two are in the text Amendment maybe that will help Jennifer yes so the first one was the first page let me go back to that one s could you speak up the first one was on the first page I believe page 26 um go flu uh 2 so you can see that the planning period updated from 2007 to 2014 to now be 2025 to 20 sorry 2025 to 2035 and then again from 2025 to 2045 the 10 and 20 year planning periods again for built out City our scale it's not that good deal so that was one of the changes that is Incorporated in order to align with State policies right and the other one if you're curious is later on underneath Capital Improvements oh okay do we have anybody for this subject no speakers no speakers whatsoever so closing the floor any other comments or anybody like to make a motion on this I want make a motion to approve it second we have motion we have a second any discussion no call the rooll please a Salman yes Robert Bear

yes yes Su valinski yes Felix Paro yes Javier Salman Yes again sorry she thought you may change pass AB St yes all right um we have one last item two items it's two items that are together yeah um it's 8:15 9:15 I'm sorry 9:15 that's even worse could we read it yes so E4 is a resolution of the City Commissioner Coral Gables Florida approving receipt of transfer of development rights pursuant to zoning code article 14 process section 14-20 4.6 review and approval of use of tdrs on receiver sites for the receipt and use of tdrs for a mixed use project referred to as 299 Menorca on the property legally described as Lots 45 through 48 less than North 12 feet thereof Block 17 section K Coral Gables Florida including required conditions providing for upar provisions of ability clause and providing for an effective date E5 is a resolution of the city Commission of cor Gables Florida granting remote parking section 10-19 conditional use approval pursuing to article 14 process section 14-23 conditional uses for proposal remote parking associated with the commercial project referred to us 299 Minorca on the property legally described as L 45 through 48 less than North 12T thereof Block 17 section K Coral Gables Florida including required conditions providing for repeal provision severability clause and an effective date and we can consolidate the items for purposes of the public hearing can you repeat that you know you've done infomercials haven't you she reads the fine text do go ahead please so good evening uh Mr chairman board members uh George Naro with offices at 333 Southeast 2 Avenue I know you've had a very lengthy hearing

uh I flew in just for this hearing so I appreciate you uh taking time to hear us this evening uh it means a lot uh I'm here joining with my clients Jose bti and Eduardo otola um we're coming back before you this evening to address uh some of the direction that we received last month when we were before you um this board gave us some homework to do and we've been working with our Design Consultants and as a team to address the comments I went back through the meeting minutes uh and I believe I have uh all of the comments uh and I want to walk through what we've done to address those comments I know staff put together uh a very nice summary but I think it's uh important to show you do we have the capability okay if you can load up our PowerPoint I will try to go through this as quickly as possible so we could uh get any questions um so one of the comments that was uh raised by uh councilman Withers was you wanted to ensure that we're providing more remote parking than what the code requires um if we could get the PowerPoint up if not I'm just going to go through this uh one item so uh this is a residential building with has no restrictions on the minimum length of stay it's not a holel it's a primarily residential building so uh we calculated the parking under the code for for residential uh and you have 52 required spaces and even though it's not a hotel we calculated it as a hotel there's 50 required spaces so under the worst case scenario in your code of the residential required parking we be required to provide 52 remote parking spaces we are providing 56 spaces that's what we're committing to so we're providing four more spaces uh than are required um in response to that last comment uh most importantly uh Mr parto gave us uh some direction as to making sure that we could accommodate loading

Vehicles loading is a main issue that was raised at the last meeting whether it's for a delivery vehicle a moving truck uh so we went ahead and if we could go to this uh let me see if this works perfect uh so we went back and completely restudied the ground floor um in order to provide for an internal loading area that could be dedicated to uh temporary parking for either a moving truck or other type of delivery vehicle and what we did is if you could tell between the image on the left and the image on the right is that we have oh there there we go thank you Devon that's the exhibit I was um referring to so on the image on the left is the original one that we proposed which had a uh very minor drop off area with a um a through Lane on the right and as you can see we've gone ahead and completely redesigned the ground floor uh We've reduced the amount of square footage by approximately 250,000 square feet what we've been able to do is now create 250 250 square feet less we we took out we all heard the same want to see if we were awake or not it was a long flight okay it was a long flight over yeah that was good yeah it's a great project it's got negative square footage um um so now uh if you could see on the left side in that's highlighted in green we now have a full area where up to two trucks can be able to park uh and we have completely provided an adequate loading area uh for whatever the future needs might be um another comment was uh Miss kavaleri had a comment regarding the amount of sidewalk area that we had that it was kind of narrow and also that it was uh uh being used uh uh substantially for open space what we've done is if you could tell on the image on the right we've expanded

the sidewalk from 10 to 15 feet in certain areas yeah the widest possible that we could do and we've removed some of that open space uh and recalculated it with other portions that we've created within the site uh and that's going to allow for obviously better pedestrian connectivity but also for future Mobility needs now we'll have more ample space within the site um Mr beay had a comment regarding um having a longer lease than is required by the code uh normally it's a year lease with a 90day termination period and will we uh in speaking with the owner of the uh 255 V Hamburg garage which we've committed to uh provide parking in as that is for the operations of the police station the least impactful is to take the traffic off is that we will have a three-year lease uh with a six-month cancellation period so a a more strict cancellation not ification that's required by your code uh that will give us in the event that in the future for whatever reason we have to find a remote location we have more time to be able to do so um one other item that we have is and and Devon has a copy that she could hand out is this is um a project that's before you for remote parking and the use of tdrs see this thing wants to work and you're not really reviewing the site plan because the site is less than 20,000 square feet but we committed to you at the last meeting that we would tie ourselves to a site plan so we have profer a covenant that ties us to the site plan that you've seen today with the new loading area um and with the additional uh sidewalk configuration can you go to the next slide um and that um and that is something that we're handing out and that if this board allows us to move forward uh we would ask that you

include as part of your recommendation here this evening and the last item was Mr salang wanted a new rendering which we have worked on uh so I have something for everybody and this is a rendering from across the street um of the project this is um uh an updated rendering uh showing kind of how that streetscape if your pedestrian it's a little bit higher than what you see from the street but at least a new updated rendering with with the new sidewalk design that tree is in the middle just to give you an idea but um we believe that you know we've worked very hard to try to capture everybody's comments from the last meeting and we hope that with these changes we could obtain your positive recommendation here this evening so we can move forward with this project and our team is here to answer any questions you have thank you um staff is there I think the applicant did a good job in explaining the changes I don't really have any other comments to add okay thank you Jill do we have any no speakers we have no speakers for this project um Chief I know that you had some concerns last time just wanted to put it on on the record uh and again in my role Ed Hudak chief of police Coral Gables uh and a historical perspective for this board board and I I just needed to put that on there uh it's a beautiful building uh when we first looked for this location where we're currently in uh what was taken into consideration when you're building a public safety building and including our Emergency Operations our fire department with the response times which is measured from door to patient as well as the area around it uh and

from a historical perspective because you know I was there and is this was and this this this lot 299 was to be and was scheduled to be at the time a public part which is what something that we I say we the police department uh had investigated looked at about what we're doing when we're putting a building and an infrastructure of this size so intentionally we looked at you know the hardening of this building but also including the entire it infrastructure of the city is housed in this building so you know the IT department was brought here and centralized here along with our servers into the building and because of our redundant requirements of our Emergency Operations Center it was built um and the manager at the time I mean we can sell energy to fpnl with the amount of generators that we have to make sure we can continue our operation for for the the government if if you will comes out of this building a couple of things I I just and I just need to put it on the record again I I've mentioned to you all before our concern when I say our concern the traffic is is obviously not just this building uh as late as yesterday afternoon there was a uh a resolution or or a motion uh by the commission to look at uh leasing or getting into a lease agreement with the tax collector uh and a discussion about adding more traffic to the area or the potential of having more traffic to the area by leasing out some other City facilities in the in the adjacent building um so there is my concern is not anything to do with what the planning department has about this building my concern and what my charge

is as the chief is to look down the road of what the potential um safety issues are for this building and those who may enter um and there's a couple of things that we take into consideration um in law enforcement and and I don't want to you know do the fire and brimstone here but these are like six of the ideas that we look at in in in building a facility but also where we're placing them you know surveillance and observation any high-rise buildings provided an elevated vantage point for individuals who may wish to surveil police activities including response times Patrol patterns sensitive operations and this could lead to a compromised tactical operation so again our response times from the police department is somewhat mobile but our emergency response times comes out of this building fire department unless they're at another call all of their all of their um dispatches if you will come from the south side of this building uh there are something that we have to consider and I have to consider every day is a threat of sniper attacks against officers surrounding buildings that are high can potential have a potential risk uh we do have um government officials and visitor dignitaries here that would actually change our uh motor saari if you will about how we protect this building depending on who's in the building um crowd control I mean if we were to have a protest here at the building and again I'm going into 2017 when we started looking at what we were doing is a park over there would be able to us to to house U peaceful protesters whatever that now would be off and we would have to interrupt all the TR yes Mr sh it's 9:26 we're going to have to make a motion to extend for at least another 15 minutes I is there a motion I'll make a motion to extend to 9:45 sorry Chief is

there a second second everybody in favor say I I I thank you for pointing it out thanks Chief thank you um some of the and again because of the close proximity across the street Escape Routes from criminals I mean part of this building we do house criminals from time to time uh both investigative but we also have a holding cell as well uh the idea of apprehending them if they get out uh you know we've already talked to and I know our our neighbor across the street is just totally rattled by the gates that are constant 247 we are actually in the process of having to change those for any kind of pedestrian entry in into this part of the building so they have to be almost Guillotine likee they have to be that quick where somebody can't get into the facility and the first step would be the property room which we have millions of dollars worth of evidence but also uh property here as well um it does increase our vulnerability to attacks with with the way it's delivered um also it challenges our emergency response from from our Northern sight line if you will um you know last does um give us pause I should say because it's not going to be a bunch of individuals we do know everybody that is in this area so before we moved here uh our intelligence people kind of did a not a deep dive but we know all the businesses we have the contacts something of of a remote Hotel like but but not is something that we would have to be doing on a regular basis and I have to balance the security around this building of which you're all being watched anyway but the outside of that and going into people's bedrooms is is is a challenge for us as a police department to know who is that close to you right now we have a pretty good circumference of it this side of the

street is is the smaller of the two streets um you know previously we did have a horrendous accident on the south side of the street where I think four fire vehicles were taken out and one of our employees who still is back to work was run over by a car so we have done a lot of data on this we've also looked at the increase in accidents at these intersections uh and we're seeing it not even so much that it is an ongoing per trip basis but in the in the amount of an emergency every minute counts whether it be the police department or the fire department coming out of this building is something as your Chief I have to put on the record to you all again I'm not I mean the the way it's designed the pool area the visual area into this building is something that is a concern uh you know we we spent money on frosting just inside and for those of you who've never been through the building you can't our general employees can't go around the building without escorts because of the state statutes that we have to abide by that people can't see U screens computers and that's that's uh that's that's mandated by the state but also by the federal government of who what rooms you can go into if you saw the little signs uh unauthorized entry that's that's something that we would have to take into consideration for something that's that close uh you know and again this was all taken into consideration um I I don't want the developer to think that this was targeted him that the police department's idea was this was going to eventually be a park that's the way we were when we did this and and we went through our our International Chiefs Association of how to plan police facilities that was intentionally what we wanted to do from the police department where that changed I don't

know I know the land has changed hands and bought um you know planning might have known about it we didn't know about it because I just wanted to be consistent and what our concern was about this area um traffic alone it's going to be an issue so I can appreciate the queuing I can appreciate uh the traffic engineer study but when traffic doesn't work whether it be at St Teresa's or any other school or any other event the people that you're going to call to fix the traffic issue is going to be law enforcement and I'm doing it half a block away from where we're at if it becomes a problem that's fine but trying to get out of the station I can't sit here and not at least go on the record of saying you know there are concerns by me and my staff about what what the impact would do to this area so other than that that's my only two cents on this so thank you anybody else that we have here tonight no close public comment yeah I just wanted to um and obviously Chief is a friend and we've been working with him we're going to continue to work with them um you know unfortunately it seems that the original circumstances have changed um um I just wanted to kind of just highlight a couple of points um obviously this police station is built in a downtown area where you just traditionally have congestion and it's a mixed juice area where you're going to see development and that something will be built there whether it's this project I think we went through at the last hearing there are other by rght projects which are probably a worst case scenario uh and due to the size of this lot it is a byright uh process uh but we've tried to do is make the best of the situation um you know there's no plans for that to be a park it's Zone commercial and uh the owner has certain rights to develop something but one of

the things that we've done is obviously I think we established that the main concern is the traffic on Minorca and we've been able to do is remove the parking garage which is what generates the traffic and place it on this side so that uh that area is less congested uh so we've we we are going to continue to work with the chief we understand what his concerns are but um you know these uses are allowed by right here whether it has parking or no parking um and and I think the request before you which is for remote parking uh actually improves the situation from what could otherwise be built there so I just wanted to kind of highlight some of the other items that we went through at length at the last meeting um here to answer any questions I know you're probably eager to uh close the public hearing so thank you very much goad um I've got a question for for you the applicant and and the chief so it occurs to me if you could speak into the mic please sorry so it it occurs to me you know the the applicant obviously has done uh your homework so congratulations on that you H all these different points he went through the verbatim transcript and and that I think was important the disturbing part here though is you know you've got to listen to what the chief says why because he protects the entire city and we spent a ton of money on that building and the parking garage right now one of the concerns is if I if I look at fire by itself um I I just looked at it on Google now and it it seems to me

that obviously the applicant can't do this but the applicant is making a contribution to their parking right of um $7 million or something like that 700,000 700,000 our zeros are off today well I'm not good at math Robert does the so s million so um you know again I don't know because it it's very difficult to put this on the developer but if alcara was had an entire parking Lane removed Chief wouldn't that wouldn't that help um you know with fire department exiting onto that street if if uh cars park only on one side of the street you know it's the same as years ago when we made certain streets like Andalusia one way all of a sudden that became a better traffic um uh artery and if we would take the city would take one of those Lanes of parking out on the South Side on the there is no there is no parking so no no no I mean on Al uh alkazar alkazar where they're they you know one of the issues is you you have the fire trucks coming out right but that there is no parking there that that is a safety zone already and there is an emergency light that was placed in when we built the building so if you look I'm sorry all the way to the all the way to the to the entrance of the parking garage so across the street it's a two-lane street but across from the garage um when they come out of the truck or they come out of the garage that's a safe Zone there so the only

cars and when they got hit they were actually authorized fire department cars so the parking for the rest of that street goes farther to the east uh on the other side of that parking garage so all the the East all the way to the end from yeah from the east side of that garage all the way to ponts there is parking but where the doors open for the fire engines themselves is a safety zone so there's no public parking there across from the doors and the issue isn't so much the parking coming out from that side that I see I'm sorry chief on on this on on this um photograph that I'm seeing you can see the trucks are parked over the Chevrons that are exactly there they're doing again whatever they I'll have to enforce that as well okay but writing the fire department tickets is not probably not a good idea I think from what I hear Felix yes the big concern is security and safety the security it's security and safety and traffic in that I I was getting there I was getting there because the the the whole point is these these streets are so narrow that here you have this and also on Minorca you have the parking down that way you have two entrances to parking on in the 300 block of Minorca which is here in Lun right you you have there's four parking spaces on the North side there's the bump outs there's the uh the back parking lot from the Marriott Courtyard there's the entrance to the offices an exit to the offices there is an output for the for the uh garbage U hauling on this side you have the entrance and exit to this building

right next to the entrance and exit to the garage next door you have a double entrance on the north side of monca that goes to the high-rise on there and you have another double entry to um the last building which is on the corner of ponts and um and Minorca Chief have you have you expressed those concerns the public works yeah I have I have I mean on De ears well I wouldn't say they're DEA ears I'm pretty bombastic at times so hope they heard me but I I I I mean it is a concern and uh you know the issue that we have is is one the security to the traffic because depending on what else we have right now in this building we're housing the city manager's office the finance department um Communications it and that that's hr's next door parking's next door so the increase coming into this area on this street is going to be an issue and it always has been when we've looked at these before and for the record I mean when this came up in DRC my staff that attends the DRC uh I believe voiced these concerns as well that we had some some early on things I just don't want the board to think that this was a Blindside on us that all of a sudden no no no we don't want somebody what I want to make sure is you know um you know there's a certain amount of what the applicant has to do or can do because they have a matter of right right but but at the same time you know uh the city the city picked this site the city made the arrangements to pick this site correct whether it was you know and I know you're putting it on the record because something goes wrong you says hey I told you guys so and and I get that all day the problem the problem

I have is I think that the city not you but Public Works can contribute you know as far as being able to to come up with solutions for the the issues that you're bringing up which are more than bonified right and and listen in Defence and they're not all caused by this this was this was not I mean when this was when we talked about this planning stage at our level for this building and this location and the land swap that took place and the garage why has to connect because of emergency storms in the sides of this building that was slated as I was intended from the city to be a park which we put in that like okay that's what we need in the front because the distance of something built that close is of that height and again is so much closer to this building than any of the other highrises that are around okay and that was and we were designed certain design secur design fleshes were put into the building because there was nothing that close on top of us that's the issue can can you put up the the rendering from this side please don't go anywhere Chief at this point I I'll do morning rad call jez sorry we're at 9:41 so we're supposed to go to 945 I'm going to make one more uh point about this uh to address the the sniper extend to 10 o' okay a motion to 10 is there a second second everybody in favor say hi hi hi my

dinner it's 24 hours you can see the why didn't the city by the park what happened there that's above my pay grade well I I that that should have been that should have been what happened not well I mean I mean you because I mean in all fairness to to to everybody the property owner you know they didn't know you know you know what the sad part about this is that there is a park that they're going to be putting in on zzo that was part of all this land swap stuff down there in front of Bill wery there should have been here maybe we can do another L swap let me let me ask you let me ask you a different question C can't the city try to acquire the property as a swap from the developers to where it's worthwhile for the developer to do that also I would imagine that the the [Music] developer I mean George that's a complicated long draw has the city approached your client about trying to do some kind of a swap deal to where it would be beneficial to the developer to to do something like that also given the security concern conerns that the chief has and we understand the security concerns um and like I think the chief mentioned we were not part of those discussions um I don't know the timing of those discussions I know this building was built in 2021 um and I believe the park discussion was with another developer uh who actually purchased that site in 2022 um but I mean in order to swap a piece of property I mean it would have to be this you know same value of the same property in the same location I mean or greater to yourent and and we don't know if that is even feasible or what property that would be right but I mean it's a very difficult thing to find a property that you would swap I mean I think um you know my client purchased

this property knowing what it was zoned and and intending to build something I mean this is a very uh experienced and qualified developer who has done many beautiful projects in Coral Gables as you can see we have a very Boutique project I mean this was the idea for this site uh when it was purchased I don't think it's you know I don't even know if the city would have something and I think for purposes of this discussion you know you could see that we have been working with the police department as much as possible I mean you know if if we acquired the lot next door these uses would be allowed by right we would build parking and that would be allowed and it'd be a worse situation and you know from our end we're trying to make the better of a bad situation we understand that we didn't choose to have the police station here your fault yeah we didn't choose to have it here um you know it was not uh Our intention our intentions to do you know something beautiful that matches what's in this area that matches the zoning we're not asking for an up zoning it's one of those situations that we're just dealing with uh you know something that was created well before us so is there any way anything you could you know let's say if this was just the the Sun hitting you know the glass there on the on this side on the south side is there anything that you can think of that could be done on the fenestration there where it can minimize or mitigate the issue of you know potential sniper on on that roof on that on that elevation in other words you know you you you have a situation where it's not that you sold the condo to someone that you know them well it's not just going to be a condo it's going to be no no and that's a other words that because of the movement any anybody could go anywhere

I'm concern yeah I'm I'm I'm just asking the question because that's I think relocate redesign that top area or what what exactly no it's not the top area it it maybe is is really the facing over here I don't think it's so much sorry um look the the problem that I not a problem I mean I'm trying to address the uh the chief's concern but I guess it's the problem that we're facing with is that this is a buildable lot yeah it's a matter of right okay so it I mean ideally absolutely before you know um Mr Jose which bought the property the city should absolutely you know that's the problem and and and and then we're going to come and try to penalize something that they have the right to do as of right I mean the really the only thing that we're given them is the remote parking I I agree 100% with the chief's concern I wish this was not there I wish it was a park so we avoid all the possible consequences that could come out but I don't know what can we do I don't think it's I think there's two issues here two issues and they're completely separate one is the security issue that the chief rightly pointed out but that's not for this board to the side it's City decided to buy this slot and the city decided to allow this building to go there did not make the park the the developer has the right to

develop a building of this size and yes there's a security issue but it's not for this planning board to make a decision on it so I think we should look at this as a planning and zoning issue and then make our decision based on what we think is the best thing for this law and the issue of security has to be decided between the chief and the administration what say you sir uh so there's not much we could do with the upper level but um in terms of security one thing and obviously like I said we will continue to work with the police chief uh had a relationship with for years I know our team as well uh I live in corg so I want to make sure I have a good relationship with the police chief um but one of the uh [Laughter] um one of the things what's your address again I'm not making it home today you're doing okay because he's got his pocket his hands in his pockets not as long as it's not on his side exactly um so we could find a way I know that we've done this with other projects where we could put uh some sort of a camera that is looking at that side of the roof rooftop that we could potentially connect with the police station so they have some you know surveillance of what's going on on the rooftop knowing that that's a concern I mean it's it's all a matter of you know sure the chief is the expert yeah and I I just you know I number one I think that the the issues that have to do with the streets which is intolerable was not the developers decision it was the city's decision and and then on top of that um and it also justifying the

decision you know back in the day they had certain constructs and certain reasons while all these these uh deals were being made to be able to build the new facility and still keep the other facility operational um you know H having something where you address the chief's concern which are real concerns you know we see it every day on the news um I I think that's the only thing we could asked for but I really believe that that Julio is 100% right that you know this this is beyond our purview uh but I I would hope that uh you could work with the uh uh with the chief and get this thing resolved yeah our goal is to continue to work with the police chief and you know like you've seen us do make the best of the kind of cards that have been dealt uh with what's you know existing around us and I and again I can't stress enough that thank you for going through all of our comments and putting it the right way and and I also think that the loading and and uh uh the loading zone that you have now is actually longer than what would be required which is the I think 35 or 45 ft and it's also not enclosed so it it it should help at least on this particular end I know that was a big item last time and we committed to get one truck in there we able to fit two so um that was a great suggestion y because of the time constraint that we're under Javier is there a comment that you'd like to make no but can I make a motion to approve well is there anybody else that that has a comment on this with the conditions of the profer site plan Etc as as revised with the Covenant with the Covenant with Covenant is provided and the site plan is revised

right so we have a motion we have a second by Mr Withers any discussion we do have to do two separate motions correct let's do the first the TDR transfer so that's E4 so first we're going to go ahead and do the TDR transfers which is E4 we have a motion and we have a second on e4 any discussion no call the rooll please Gabriel yes zalinski yes Felix par yes a Salan yes chip withs y Robert Bear yes AB St I'm going to vote Yes because of everything that they have done but I would urge City to look at trying to figure out if there is a resolution with that property next door yes next is item E5 which would be the remote parking is there a motion so MO we have a second by Julio any discussion no call the rooll please one second please um chip withs yes Robert beart yes Hulu Gabel yes zalinski yes Felix Paro yes Javier Salan yes ABS in sta I'd like to incorporate the same comments into E5 as I did on e4 and yes I agree with you agre I want to thank the board for extending the meeting this evening to accommodate us we worked very hard uh to get to this point from the last meeting stop thank you very much make a motion toour you want to buy dinner second everybody in favor say I I all right

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