Aberdeen City Council - Regular Meeting

We did a good job last week.

Good evening. It is 5.30 p.m. on Monday 31 August. It is time for our special meeting of the municipal council of Aberdeen. In the absence of Mayor Schaman, it is my duty and my privilege to preside over the meeting of this evening.

Mr. Alan Johnson, Mayor Adelaine et Jordan, could you please start nominally this evening? Councilor Ronin.

Present.

Augsburg. Libelt. Present. Roy.

Present.

Anger.

Present.

Nelson. Present.

Norbistro.

Present.

Mayor Schaman. Mayor-Adjoint Johnson. Present. Thank you. Please join me for the Allegiance Sermon.

In the United States of America and the Republic they represent, A nation under the aegis of God, indivisible, with freedom and justice for all.

We are delighted to have an almost complete room. Thank you all for being here and for being interested in tonight's deliberations. This is also the opportunity for our open forum, which allows us to listen to the publica. Normally, no measure is taken by the municipal council, but we welcome your comments. And I note that three people have signed up. Let me give you one or two quick directives. Ces interventions se font ici, depuis le pupitre, et lorsque vous y avancerez, je crois que Pick Great Terms marche. Vous êtes la première.

J'espère que je prononce correctement.

Oui, et nous sommes heureux que vous vous avanciez. And... Vos remarques doivent être limitées à trois minutes, donc nous vous ferons signe si vous dépassez un peu... un parti. Non, nous aimerions que vous avanciez pour que ceux qui nous regardent à la télévision puissent bien vous entendre. Non, vous êtes libre de rester debout si vous préférez. Globalement, nous limiterons le forum ouvert à une session de 10 minutes, ce qui convient bien, car trois personnes ont manifesté leur intérêt. Allez-y, Peg.

J'avais besoin d'indications. J'ai été très surprise de découvrir que la ville d'Aberdeen, troisième plus grande ville de l'État du Dakota du Sud, n'a pas... J'ai appelé la chambre de commerce en pensant de faire un numéro. Pourrait-il m'orienter? Bien, elle m'a donné un numéro qui aboutit à Pierre. And I called them. The closest I could get to what I was looking for was. So I composed the number of Sioux Falls and I was able to speak to a lady over there. We had a good conversation. I worked for the state of South Dakota.

In the department of the.

And now you have another number that I can call. And we had a good conversation. I said to myself, there is a company in the city that owns it. It is available. They serve food. They sell grocery products.

And this place is disgusting.

I found the director of the building, he came in with me, and I showed him the deplorable state of the walls. We can't touch the walls. We can't touch the walls. And there is no one here, in the third largest city in this state, to deal with this problem. And from there, I went to... Oh, I contacted the health protection for food security on September 7th, 1961 to report Kesslers. And according to the woman I spoke to at Sucsult, she said, oh, I know who you are talking to. It's Kesslers. It has always been like that. And I haven't been there for a long time. By talking to the employees who work there, it's like that since then. I was in charge of taking care of the health regulations and ensuring that these places that serve food as well as the restaurant part were all bad at Kessler's. From all the places, and it was already like that before O'Gurn bought them. What is Aberdeen doing in terms of health services?

We have to clean the toilets.

We must not touch anything when we go into the toilets. What are you going to do?

L'ORPEG, nous apprécions votre intervention ici.

Je suis en colère. Je ne peux pas, je vais dans les toilettes pour dames et je ressors sale.

Lors de ces réunions, nous préférons éviter les attaques personnelles directes visant une personne de l'État et ils vont donner suite.

Et utiliser mon nom et mon adresse, s'il vous plaît.

And you could be interested in noting that one of the municipal councilors who sat down until about a year and a half ago held a position with the state of South Dakota and made visits to companies specifically in the restoration sector. And so there is a very broad range that is intended to be examined, informed and evaluated. Very good. So you should start using a finnish mallet to start catching someone. And also to sanction where it is appropriate. We have taken note of it.

Take an appointment with me, I will accompany you and I will show you what it is.

And I don't want to speak in your place here, Dave. But if she wants to come and see you in your office.

We will have Peg's number. She has my number. Okay. She's also my number.

That's the case. Thank you for noting that in the register. So contact us or we will contact you.

People have to manifest and talk when they see... You mean someone has to solve this problem?

Of course.

You ask where the disease comes from?

Thank you for your intervention. We appreciate it. We also have Janelle Meyer, registered for... Janelle, do you want to move on? Welcome. Is there a chair over there?

I'm just trying.

I don't know. Get comfortable.

Well, I'm here to talk a little bit about the dedicated centers. And the sector I'm going to focus on tonight is the chasse aux feusants, a massive economic engine for South Dakota, generating between 250 and 287 million of annual income. The chasse aux cerfs is a large first-class industry in South Dakota, generating more than 160 million of annual economic activity. The construction of data centers can have a significant impact on the feusants and the cerfs of Virginia. Colchids have a need for a thick nesting cover, calmness, grass and shelter. Studies on birds show that industrial noise, due to the success of breeders and all abandoned species, Virginie's deer depend heavily on established travel corridors, such as tree lines and rivers, to circulate between resting areas and food sources. The physical footprint of a data center breaks all these natural corridors, which, combined with night security lights, forces the deer to turn around. If the doers and the deer leave a region because of data centers, the hunters will spend their money. And we also talked a little about noise. Beyond the noise, there were these vibrations. In addition to the constant noise, there are low-frequency infractions and seismic vibrations generated 24 hours, 24 and 7 days a week by the cooling fans of the data centers and the emergency generators, which can have significant documented impacts on fauna and cattle. This causes serious reproduction problems. Agricultural groups have documented cases where cows exposed to continuous burrowing and vibration of the soil. Data centers have suffered from reproduction failures, including mornay spikes. New mornay. Chronic weight loss and stress.

Persistent vibration triggers a permanent response of leak juice, increasing stress hormones.

It has been proven that cattle can lose up to 30% of their body weight due to discomfort and disturbances in their grazing and sleeping habits. Disturbed grazing behavior or active attempts to escape the source of vibrations on the ground. Physical body vibrations. Low frequencies can physically shake the internal organs and tissues of an animal, causing damage to internal balance or to the organs of animals. impact on fauna interference with communications of many wild animals including some birds, insects and large mammals use low-frequency infrasounds to communicate on kilometers to detect weather changes or predators vibrations data centers create an acoustic masking that suffocates these vital signals Abandon of the habitat. Wild species completely abandon the areas located in a radius of 1 to 2 km around the low-frequency burgeoning. Disturbance of ecological change. Local farmers have noticed the disappearance of populations of useful insects, such as bees, very sensitive to vibrations and ... ... banning outdoor infrastructures from being enclosed in all the frigorific groups ... Thank you for your contribution.

We let you go a little over your three minutes and it seems that you still have things to say. Yes, let me just add this. We appreciate your contribution. This is actually the second of the three information meetings that the municipal council organizes. And in two weeks, we will give more details at the end of this meeting about the place and time. But I can tell you that in two weeks, we will have a bigger room and invite people to give as many opinions as they want. And it seems that this is the ideal place to go into the details and share more of the content that you have there.

Well, thank you.

Yes, absolutely. I beg your pardon. And we also have Scott Sulz with us. Hello Scott, welcome. With the data center, the electric consumption that will take place, as with the harvest period that is approaching, many farms will have their drying, will have their drying.

with a lot of fans on the way to dry the corn, and products like that. And then when we look further, when we compare this with what has to dry, you know a lot of these silos where they install fans in the north center, once they start them, they don't want to stop them. So is there any concern about possible later load cuts and which could be disconnected first. You see, I'm going to be in the same situation. This is one of my concerns on this subject.

The other question, how does Aberdeen benefit from this center? Thank you. Yes, we thank you for asking these questions and sharing these details. So, as mentioned, these are the three information meetings and they all aim to help the Council to write and submit to the Urbanism Commission an ordinance that will limit, prohibit or regulate data centers within the limits of the city. And the very first meeting we had two weeks ago went very well. And it was August 17th. We benefited from an instructive public meeting with a data center developer and an acoustician engineer. We had energy experts and government leaders. And so we can't wait tonight to focus on professional organizations and commercial interests. And we are looking forward to receiving useful information tonight. And we would like to start with the CEO of Aberdeen Development Corp, Tim Hannigan. Tim, we are waiting for your presentation.

First of all thank you.

We think that the rules in place before a project arrives are very important.

And so with that, we know that whatever the industry we are talking about, there can always be good and bad projects. The data center industry is not different. The ADC absolutely supports an ordinance because we think it should really accomplish three things. It must protect citizens. It must then create a certainty for developers within the community and allow Aberdeen to seize opportunities when a responsible project can meet these standards. So what we are really talking about is creating a framework here for future projects. And I want to declare at this time that there is no specific project in the course that we know of, at least. And we have been contacted by potential projects.

It is simply the normal course of business.

Calls received, all kinds of different questions. We just need to provide information. That's it. But at the current stage, measures taken by the Council and any future project will have to respect and demonstrate that they conform to the guidelines established by the Council. We therefore think that the political objective is quite simple, to allow investment when the interest for the community is real, that the impacts are manageable and that everyone understands the reality.

Thus, a good ordinance, what we aim for, really allows two legitimate answers.

The first is yes, that when a project can demonstrate that it meets the needs and that it has the necessary guards to protect the citizens, we think that there must be a way to say yes. But the other answer must be yes, if a project is suffering and that it cannot respect its guards, not the citizens, then the ordinance simply leads to So we think that this order finally becomes a filter saying essentially yes, as if you can respect these standards, but without it being... To answer the question of knowing why we should even create a voice for these projects, what is the potential economic advantage? When we talk about economic advantages, we can divide these projects into three categories. The first concerns jobs and the masses. We can divide this section into subcategories by distinguishing the construction period, the permanent employees who ensure the operation of the site and the additional activity generated by the salaries injected. The second section concerns the expenses related to local contracts. These are electricians, mechanical entrepreneurs, telecommunications, security and construction services. able to provide. And the third section is the one of revenue.

In particular, tax and potential taxes on sales and services.

And so what we are going to examine in detail to understand what these different sections could represent. And I would like to remind everyone throughout this section that these figures are hypothetical. These data must be considered as a rigorous analysis and hopefully as a reference, but each project will have to be evaluated. As the size of the data centers can vary considerably, we decided to take the available figures, to examine the different averages and to normalize them for a center of 10 MW. This gives us a unit of common measure to compare the potential impacts of different sizes and facilities. Here are these figures. They must be considered as illustrative examples and not as guarantees. Obviously, if a project is presented, we will have to, as I said, evaluate it at the right time. According to the hypotheses announced for each 10 MW strip, we can expect on average 13 million dollars of investment in construction and 150 million in IT equipment. The total investment in the installation would amount to a quarter of a billion dollars, or 263 million. Of course, each dollar will not remain here in Aberdeen. The network equipment and specialized components will come from the outside, but a large part will come from the local community.

It is in the construction part that we will probably observe a local impact.

These are areas where we have local suppliers able to respond to the demand. Beyond that, we will see about 45 specific jobs in the construction sector during this phase. This will obviously depend on the speed with which they want to get on board. We will also see about 27 jobs indirect linked to suppliers. During this phase of construction, about 14 additional jobs will be generated by the associated expenses. This brings us to about 86 potential jobs per year over a construction period of 2 to 4 years. At the same time, this represents about 5.9 million dollars in direct salaries in construction businesses. Of course, this is temporary employment, we are aware of it, but temporary does not mean without import. As you can see, it's cheap. Of course, several years of demand for electricians, mechanical entrepreneurs and concrete workers could have a real impact on their lives. Let's now move on to a permanent employment for a data center. We know that they are a strong capital intensity, but not necessarily a strong intensity. Tomorrow is a well-known fact. However, we should not underestimate these jobs. Thus, for each section of about 10 megawatts, we expect about 5 employees. Direct to the data center and 7 employees. On a continuous basis, this represents about 12 positions that would be created in the community of support. In addition, we want to emphasize that the value proposition is not limited to high-value jobs.

These jobs tend to be high-value jobs.

It is therefore a combination of this high-value job and the activity of suppliers that gives these centers an economic advantage. The following slide shows an example of where these jobs could be realized. It is obviously difficult. However, for each section of 10 MW, it is an approximation of the distribution of jobs that could include public electricity services, computer support, continuous construction during the development phase, and beyond. The wage would support workers in the restaurant industry.

Sales in detail, health, housing, and loans.

Then, data centers potentially generate a significant amount of tax on sales.

They buy a huge amount of equipment and this equipment is updated periodically.

Our recommendation is to consider tax on sales as a potential advantage. The reason is that the equipment is not renewed continuously. This being said, the initial investment of 150 million dollars to 6.2% represents approximately 9.3 billion dollars in taxes on country sales, including 2.5 million dollars for each section of 10 megawatts. From a tax point of view, regarding the tax, once again, on the basis of 10 megawatts, I would like to note that I had interviews with Jean Leckie at the Comté. I insist on the fact that we have to put a big asterisk here because we should therefore carry out the real implementation of the project. But on the basis of certain hypotheses that we have been able to retain, we thought that about $400,000 would be a reasonable number to advance, which would represent about $168,000 and about $95,000 with the usual distribution. It is therefore important to note that it brings a recurring annual economic advantage that is not irregular.

It would therefore be a very good thing.

We also want to note that by examining the impact, you know, our school is currently working with a... Everything we can do to help correct this disaster is an advantage for our community. Beyond these direct impacts, we want to examine the situation as a whole concerning the economic activity generated per megawatt tranche. So we assume about 12 million dollars of direct annual operational activity. And once we estimate the supply chain and the household expenses, it represents about 33.6 million dollars of economic activity that would be present in our community for each 10 megawatt tranche. We know that a dollar in this example is not a dollar that goes on someone's bank account, but these are dollars that circulate Another question we are often asked is what communities really say about this. There are a few examples here. Epavillon in Nebraska is a place where I personally went. I stayed myself in front of the data center.

I didn't hear anything.

But they continue to boast, with their multiple campuses on a large scale, of being a community with a quality of life. Raised, an atmosphere of small town and a prosperous local economy.

Another example that we often see is that of Quincy in the state of Washington. Quincy has publicly declared that more than 60% of its population is European.

and a large part of them are directly involved.

This land tax helps them improve their community equipment.

They have a new sporting complex and over the 20 years when a data center has been present in their community, it has financed the vast majority of improvements made to the fire station and police stations. About a year ago, when these conversations took place,

And I found it interesting that a community that has been welcoming them for 20 years doesn't even have an order in place at the moment.

But beyond that, when we look at what a flagship project can accomplish, it is not only the building that arrives in the city and brings advantages.

Before leaving the previous slide, I wanted to ask you a question, if you can come back. The city of Papillon in Nebraska mentions that they have three data centers. Do you know if they are all located in the same industrial zone? Are they separated? Do you know?

I know for sure that two are located just south of the I-80, just next to the city of Papillon. Meta has two installations there, I think, and Google is building a third one. But as I was saying, a flagship project, a high-end project can really exceed the value of the project itself.

You can see the appearance of auxiliary services, whether they are computer services, after-sales recovery, hand-to-hand services, etc.

This will always interest us as a development company, because the objective is not simply to recruit one to keep the hands crossed. We will continue to try to recruit auxiliary industries and to think about how an investment can potentially create opportunities.

And we can definitely consider this potential here.

And so this slide summarizes the economic discussion. On a 10 megawatt base, we have about a quarter of a million dollars of capital investment, nearly 86 temporary construction jobs and 12 direct and permanent jobs. About 33 million annual economic activities in addition to increases. So we know that we have to balance this economic impact

with potential costs and positive repercussions.

For each of these categories, we must find a balance between schools and staff, firefighters, roads, water and sewage. All this must be revealed. But we want to emphasize that South Dakota is certainly not the first state to be interested in

In fact, we are very far from it.

I would even say that we are among the last ones. And I think that gives us a certain advantage. We have the opportunity to observe what other communities have done, to identify where the problems have occurred and to make sure that they are not affected.

This starts with the establishment of clear protections, as I mentioned at the beginning of our conversation.

However, we must also recognize that all concerns do not necessarily relate to the zoning. Electricity capacity, network rates and reliability are regulated at the level of the state by the public. As for the environmental permits and atmospheric emissions, as indicated in the file, it relates to the Department of Natural Resources. But the third part I wanted to address is that of the negotiations. When a project reaches a stage where it becomes really viable. We are waiting for a good developer to come to the community, to sit at the table with the municipal officials, ourselves, the other stakeholders concerned and the inhabitants to work concretely on the specific requirements of the project. This is where you could see agreements on the use of the roads of the partnership. Thank you. If you notice, we want to emphasize that an ordinance cannot cover all raised questions, but it must provide sufficient guidance and certainty to our residents and to the city. We take the expectations before anything else. We want to emphasize that this does not mean that it is a blank check. The balance that we are looking for here is to balance the advantages while having to deal with its potential impacts and to demand its protections.

Without transferring costs,

Nous pensons que cela devrait être la norme. Pour un projet comme celui-ci, nous identifions quatre domaines clés. Il y a le promoteur qui a besoin de règles claires lorsqu'il envisage d'investir entre 250 millions et 1 milliard de dollars dans un projet. Les règles doivent être prévisibles, le processus doit être connu. Les résidents ont besoin de transparence et de responsabilité. Ils doivent jouer leur rôle pour garantir que tout le monde est pris en compte. If one of these parts is easy, we have to be able to say that this is not the right project.

This is ultimately what we hope to get through an order.

This is part of an integrated cycle of positive development. This is what we have listed here. First, we listen to the concerns, we discuss with companies, with experts, and we understand what are the impacts for the community.

Secondly, we regulate.

No matter the concerns, by integrating them into an ordinance, we can establish these standards. Once this is done, thirdly, we can invite potential projects and promoters. When the project becomes larger, conversations can become much more specific.

We will know the tag of the project, the potential site.

need for infrastructure and impacts, such as infrastructure improvements, contract opportunities, road use agreements, which could lead to a community advantage agreement or a specific agreement. This is where we clearly identify what a promoter is committed to beyond the simple project, to ensure the attenuation of all Then, once this step is completed, we will verify that their plans are consistent, that they respect the standards and keep them safe during the project. And finally, the ultimate step is the benefit.

We collect the benefits of a responsible project. We think that the ordinance is basic and from there, we have specific discussions on the project to build on it in order to optimize the benefits for the community thanks to a responsible development.

I'll finish where I started. We should be able to say yes to the right project, but it is just as important to be able to say no. This implies protecting residents, creating predictable standards, demanding responsibility, and when a project meets these criteria, we allow Berlin to seize the opportunities.

We don't think we have to choose between protecting the community and continuing... We believe that with a good order, we will be able to do both.

Finally, I would like to review some statements that we have received from companies. The ones we have received are very similar. I will read one and then I will be able to distribute it. It is precise that I discussed with Gaëlle from the Chamber of Commerce last week that she had received.

So I assume that she did not have any more today.

The statement comes from Luke Grant of Northwestern Mutual. It is addressed to Mayor Schaman, Mayor Adjouan-Johnson and the Municipal Council. He declares that I emphasize that the municipal council of Aberdeen takes the time to explore and carefully study emerging sectors such as data centers. As a resident firmly supporting economic growth, employment creation and new investments, I think that Aberdeen must remain open to opportunities that strengthen our local economy and benefit the residents. Rather than closing the door to new industries, I encourage the Council to establish reasonable ordinances and clear directives, promoting responsible development while protecting the interests of citizens and the character of our communities. The Reflective Guard can offer guarantees to companies wishing to invest in Aberdeen while ensuring commercial growth that respects our neighborhoods, our natural resources, our infrastructures. By adopting a proactive balance from now on, Aberdeen can guarantee that future development will support not only new industries, but also local businesses, entrepreneurs, service providers, and community members who will benefit from this growth. We do not have to choose between growth and growth. Thanks to initial planning, we can consider both. And I have a list of other elements that I could distribute later.

And I thank you again for your time tonight and for your diligence.

I remain at your disposal for any questions. Thank you for presenting this information and with great pleasure. These last few weeks, we have heard about reasonable regulations.

Do you have an idea of what these reasonable regulations could be?

Yes, you know, it's an excellent question. And that's precisely why we tried to submit a project that is in the file, which I believe was provided to the Council in advance, because it's complete.

I'm not saying it's not. I'm not saying we shouldn't adjust or debate some of these figures, but I think it's our starting point. Thank you for your time tonight, I appreciate it. The short answer is that it makes math easier. If you have a project of 50 MW, you multiply it.

If you have a project of 25 MW, you multiply it.

It is important to note, you know, that in life... And so, we thought it was logical to take this model as a reference, on this smaller scale. We know that each project is not a perfect linear multiplication. Do you have an idea of the required size to make it economically viable?

I mean, the last time we had a meeting, they were... I had the impression that we were talking about a megawatt, and I just don't know how to translate power into economic viability. To tell you about it, I think that each developer will probably have his own calculations.

I would say that we have received calls from someone looking for three earth axes to install a unit, to others looking for large parcels.

We don't know how serious these conversations are, as long as they don't come back to us.

But I think it will probably be an individual calculation for each developer on what is viable for them.

Monsieur le maire adjoint. Monsieur le conseiller.

Merci d'être venu. Nous parlons beaucoup des centres de données comme s'ils étaient tous identiques. Je pense que nous avons déjà un peu parlé des différents types. Je sais que nous parlons pour l'instant uniquement de la taille, mais pourriez-vous aussi expliquer brièvement qu'il existe différents types de centres de données ? Je pense, pourriez-vous nous aider à clarifier cela un peu ?

J'encouragerai quiconque à écouter ou à regarder la réunion du Conseil il y a deux semaines, où Scott est ici pour le décrire. much more competent. But according to our understanding, we can separate them into a few different categories.

One could be an installation of cryptocurrency, which would need a sub-assembly of infrastructure. Very different.

Then you could see an India line, which would generally be there.

you will have different developments where an industry comes directly to install this data center in relation to the type of building for the WFP. And then you can have a business solution which, as Scott described it, would be, for example, a place where your bank records are stored, or medical records.

It would therefore rather be a telecommunications storage facility.

I have a question. And we are talking about a rather distant future, once you have secured this manufacturing company, I would say, which will create a lot of jobs for Aberdeen. How do you check the origin of the funds that will be invested for this plant in particular? And let's say that part of it is financed by countries that could be hostile or enemies of the United States for our security? Whatever. If you find a company that is, let's say, 10%, 10%, 35% Chinese, Israeli, Russian, whatever, how would you manage that?

Yes, that's an interesting question. I would say first that our usual process consists of proving reasonable diligence to the community.

Or rather,

We're going to do our best, I'm not going to call it an investigation, an investigation, a kind of investigation, to make sure that it's a good company. Often, you know, and I take SMEP Foods as an example, we are, you know, in Canada with a, it's really our process, to evaluate a company, learn to know the developer, as much as possible, and take...

Is there a way to check this with other foreign countries?

I'm not 100% sure of the answer to this question. I don't know, Ron, if you have a legal answer to this question.

I can't be sure.

I remember that in Grand Forks, the Chinese bought land near the air base, one of the air bases there, and the municipal council and the county did not see any inconvenience. I mean, there are certain guidelines, one might think, if you knew. A country that was very friendly with China, maybe of Chinese origin, and I don't want to target this country, but it comes to mind. Would you do something to prevent them from entering? Or to secure, how do you secure that?

Yes, I think that the first thing we would do in this kind of situation is to consult our legal advisers on our legal means to do whatever it is that we act in accordance with.

Obviously, it is not different from any other project. We will invite them to meet the community of the parties between them to gather their opinions and make decisions from there.

Interesting.

I agree. Interesting. I feel like the questions were useful. Well, I feel like your presentation was also very useful. I appreciate the details. You have provided the advice a lot of documentation on the advantages, the benefits.

We appreciate everything you sent us.

Is this presentation something you could do?

Jordan should give us a call. That would be good.

Is there anything else you would like to share?

Just thank you for your time. Thank you.

Thank you. We have another person who expressed her interest in taking the floor tonight. Melanie Bobby, would you like to move on?

Hello everyone.

It was great. J'apprécie d'avoir pu entendre cela.

Je suis ici dans le cadre.

Nous gérons des propriétés depuis de nombreuses années et comme tout le monde le sait, il y a un... housing problems at the moment. And I know that I had heard about housing projects. I suppose this is my biggest concern for the future. Is there something in place to make sure that the local residents are not? You know, people who already live here have a hard time finding a place to live. I work in close collaboration behind the scenes with certain groups that deal with homeless people. Not specifically the coalition for the homeless, but people, everyone helps everyone. And I just don't know where. This is my main concern. If something happens, could we predict in the ordinance that these large companies that settle contribute, that the city alludes a part of its returnees to the most vulnerable of us? People who don't know that this meeting is taking place or who are simply trying to find a place to live and feed their children. It's my humble opinion.

And thank you for all the preparatory work you do.

I can't wait to attend the next meeting.

Yes, us too. I hope you will be there. Thank you for this contribution.

We have taken notes.

I think we have dealt with point 4a of our agenda, our new affairs, which consisted of collecting commercial interests. And so, allow me to announce that in two weeks exactly, we will hold a special meeting, convened by the Council and the Mayor, on Monday, September 14. It will be at 5.30 p.m. at the Municipal Theatre of Aberdeen,

This place should be able to welcome a large audience.

We will gather the opinions of a number of much more important citizens and people who wish to express their thoughts, ideas, recommendations and wishes concerning a business center. To locate the place, it is two steps from here in the former central high school on the side of the municipal arena. So that's where we'll be in two weeks. And again, it will be to provide and receive opinions from the general public. Regarding a potential order on the centers, our work will therefore be to listen again. And we are waiting for this with a passion. Special because we invite the public. Special because it's a Monday, a day when we don't usually meet as a municipal council. So special in several titles. Just to note it. Very good. That's all that was in our order today. I ask for a motion to raise the session. Motion of Nielsen, supported by No. It is your turn to express yourself. All those who are for. Against. The session is over.