Planning Board - Regular Meeting

All right, folks. We're going to call the meeting to order. You want to close the Tom here. S here. Johny here. Here. Christine here. Daniel here. Here. Here. Okay. So, first thing on the docket tonight is 25 lane is uh just here. Come on up. So, you want to just give us a short recap on your subdivision? I'm literally just dividing the property into two properties. equal properties to you know create land to build better house. So we do public hearing. Is that correct? I just want to hear the public hearing. [Music] So, you okay to go to the public hearing? Yeah. Anybody from the public have comment on 25 Sperry Lane subdivision? Leave it open for a minute. Everybody looked at the uh [Music]

resolution should not motion to close public hearing. [Music] Okay. John. All in favor? Yes. I Somebody volunteer to read the short assessment. Tom, go ahead. Will the proposed action create a material conflict with an adopted land use plan or zoning regulations? No. Two, will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of use of land? No. Three, will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? No. Four, will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of a critical environmental area? Five, will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking, or walkway? No. Six. Will the proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. Seven. Will the proposed action impact existing a public private water supplies? No. B. Public private wastewater treatment utilities. No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources? Nine. Will the proposed

action result in an adverse change to natural resources? For example, wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora, and fauna? No. 10. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? No. 11. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? Your motion to uh include the resolution. So second any questions on the resolution? Tom, yes. Sandy, yes. Yes. Christine, yes. Daniel. Yes. Yes. Yes. [Music] attach. Okay, we're all set. Thank you very much. All right, next agenda item is 113 power, gentlemen. You have any updates for us? Here's the the biggest uh maybe the

only real update is the lot line modification with neighbor 95 Conland Road uh uh has been finished that was approved uh by the planning department is being signed and recorded along with that survey map. So that part is is done. Um everything else I believe is the same as it was last month. Yeah. the uh the drives you have in your packet. We responded to comments from TJ Miller regarding the emergency control plan updated those. They want us to increase the cover sizes to 18 in from 15 which we did. So that's all updated on board members. Any questions? I'll have a question. Go ahead. So, there's a proposed trail easement on the southern end of the property. Um, but I don't see that on here. Might be might be useful to have that on the survey. That's the B changes, right? Adjustments already. Yes. Y adjustments all square. Um like Andy said, uh they received comments regarding the switch for teaching other.

Um I have a question. So, I wasn't here last month, so sorry if I reunited you. Um, so you're only going to have three lots. Yes. Forever going forward for infinity. So, that's my question. How do you know that? I mean, I I don't have a crystal ball, but it it it doesn't make any kind of sense to to do any more with everything being the same as far as uh cost of doing this kind of thing. and the um the storm water requirements that would kick in if we were to do an extra lot. It would it would uh you know completely offset any kind of cost we would you know any kind of gain we would get from selling lots. it just wouldn't be economically viable to do anymore until something happens like building costs go way down or uh land values go way up or um water or sewer makes it up there uh you know I mean anything like that you know could potentially make it so that it would be um worth doing but as soon as we go over this 2 acre disturbed uh uh ground threshold and we have to do a a swip for it or a full swip with permanent storm water practices. You know, the cost of that is not going to uh be offset by the the gain from these lots we would sell. So, well, I've been on the board long enough to know that um we'd we, you know, granted um like a couple lots and then like 3 years later someone comes back and now you know they want to do three more lots and we never did a full swift. So that's why I'm asking. I don't think the the threshold resets uh moving forward, Sandy, there's a potential change because the state of New York

requirement is that full swip at 5 acres. Yeah. But the town law is currently 2 acre threshold and the town board is looking at potentially changing that to align with the state law. So that might impact future development in this parcel. It it it certainly could if that were to happen. Um you know we we we purchased this this lot or this land as as a investment for our you know the family. You know we didn't intend to create a big you know huge subdivision out here. Um it's just not the right place for 100 new lots. Um, you know, we we want to keep the farmer in there. We want to keep the farmer uh uh tilling those fields and we want to get the property cleaned up. And this is how we're going to help pay for for cleaning up the property. Other questions here. Do I hear a motion to open public hearing? Sorry. Second. So, we can take public comment now. Please tell stand up. Tell us what your name is. My name is Jeff Rar. I live at 134 Road and I'm asking to see if these drawings that you folks are looking at are available for public review. I looked online. I couldn't find them. Normally if you go to where three going down the road to the girls home, right? Go on the on the website if

you go to the planning as I say you can have my copy you go on the website to the planning board page then you can go to agendas and minutes and there you can view them right on your computer. Oh so this is right address. Excellent. Thank you. You want to take a copy with you? You're welcome to. Yes. Can I offer a little more? Sure. As a neighbor that has live so far, I'm very happy with the new cleaning of the property. Very happy. Truly happy. Thank you. Yes. Any else from public comment on this? Yes, sir. I got three questions. What's your name? Rolling. And where do you live? 196 road. Okay. Red Cross. My concern is water and surface water is a big problem because over the years ago Lancing put an 8 in line from Ray Farm down the house that he lived in. He gave permission to cut it across and put it in the creek. It comes down back themselves which attracts me cuz it goes into the road ditch and the county a few years ago ditch and all the stone ditches were fine. You know what stone ditches are? No sir. Years ago 1800s early 1900s

farmers had pip ground. They dug ditches by hand laid stone on either side. over the top the water ran to the bottom. They work great disturb and modern farm today got these chisel goes they turn apart. I got myself my two neighbors both got water problems in our backyards have time because of the excess water that they're dumping in there. What are they going to do with the service water houses? Where are they going to go? It's going to go to the roadside ditch. It's going to go to the roadside ditch. Roadside ditch that more water. If I can say a little something about this, the if I can just say a little something about this, the road I believe has been filled up quite a bit, not anymore. And that also sp and I think the main reason that the ditch is filled up is because the farm was or the the fields were tilt where all the rows pointing straight down the hill at that ditch. That's right. The farmer that's in there now realizes that that was a problem and he's changed the farming practices. So the rows are going to be going along the contours of the hill instead of straight down them. So we should minimize that ditch that harness bumper which they a good farmer will that keep to the water but there's a tremendous lot of water and that whole farm surface water is a good big thunderstorm right now ditch won't carry it so it just runs everywhere that ditch should stay a little more open than it has in the past county big engineer told me they weren't going to touch it because they can't do everything with the wrong until that

um B was years ago and they resurface that job and they couldn't do anything about it. The Hardies that have been in contact with him and they said it was going to happen this spring. Well, maybe he's got more power. But I talked with the guy with the white hat. He says they weren't intended to do anything for another two or three years with the road ditch. But that's my first water problem. The second one is where are these holes going water from? Uh if there's not if there's not municipal water, they they'd have to dig a a well three wells deep water. There's no water until they bring water on through supply water. They don't have that and then people would have to use a system and haul water in. Sure. They don't very often. Okay. Any other questions from the public, sir? So, I'm one of the rare people that actually has good water in on road. If these wells get drilled and a nearby neighbor ends up with sulfur water, is there any recourse for the person who's adversely affected after the fact? Again, I'm I'm okay with a lot of division as they show. I I don't have enough concern. Uh I'm just asking as a private homeowner with good water if

they drill wells at least I'm uphill from them, right? They're downhill from where I'm at. I'm up on the bottom. Is there any recourse if that happens? You know, we can't give you legal advice, but you know, people have property rights. So, if somebody buys a lot, they're allowed to put in a septic field. They're allowed to drill a well done. Just thought I'd ask a question. Sure. Any other questions from the public? Okay. I'm Dian. I also live at 196 across from the proposed homes. We are not against having homes put in, but I want to say three things that have happened in the 20 years that we've been there that has caused us a great deal of surface water. About 15 years ago, Hardies worked the field below our house, accessed it from Wilson Road. Because they plowed deeper, they did tear up some of those stone ditches. They buried their tractor. It's never been worked since and there's still a great deal of water down there. And then, as my husband mentioned, maybe six or seven years ago, they did the drainage down power road and ran it into the road ditch, which it will seep under the road into our property and make us wetter. That's the second thing that made us wetter. Then when the blue house went in down below us on Wilson Road way back in off the road and they dug through more stone ditches and had a great deal of water issues uh that they had to remedy when they built that house and they eventually put in the pond. Um those the combination of those three things has made it so our

lower yard is saturated. We have no place to drain water. We cannot drain it onto a neighbor. Doesn't make for good relationships. Um my husband has gotten the riding lawnmower stuck. Um Jeff Todd recently this spring got his riding lawnmower stuck in his lower yard. When we went out to prune our apple trees this spring, I was walking in luck this deep. Um with the wind we had a couple of weeks ago, one of our pine trees uprooted because our lower yard north is so saturated. And this has all come about since we moved in there 20 years ago. It was not like that before. So our concern is with three more properties and more excavation, what's it going to do? And um so as you read through your list, I'm a little bit concerned about 7 A and B 9 with groundwater and 10 with drainage. And I hope that uh even though shows little cookie cutter houses now, are these spect or are you selling lots for individuals to build their own? It's just going to be fant. So these sketches of homes are just favor. They're just a best guess. Okay. Not cookie cutter. this is really because um and if if they ever do want to build more homes up behind I think it would be a tragedy. Okay. Thank you. Basically the town's engineer has looked at the drainage on these lots reviewed the swift uh that the provided and I don't believe there are any. So so ma'am the the town's engineer has taken a look at the proposal. evidence provided. He said, I'm sorry.

What was the question? Is that what you said with the what? What do you mean? Yeah. So, did you just say with the evidence provided? The engineers looked at the drawings that the applicants provided. Yes. Correct. And the sweat, which is their report of how their storm water is going to be managed. So, our board relies on the town's engineers. If the town engineers raise a red flag, then we would show some concern. We're not we're not engineers here. So, we rely on the town's engineers, the town planning department, as well as the applicants engineers to to highlight if there should be some concern. Basically know nothing about the condition of our going to come out and walk our yard. Sure. Go ahead, John. Yeah. is uh basically Kelly supposed to put a C 103 on here. I know typically go through a debate back and forth but I appreciate your point about drainage and just to bring up 103 shows existing conditions. Why don't we work here? I was just going to bring up hopefully showing the screen up here. It does show existing condition. A swale that cuts across the corner of Bower and Colin Road and it looks like the the county road and there's 18 in pipe that goes and cuts across and then puts it on the west side of the street which I think you guys are on. Yeah. So, uh everything north of that would be called and their proposal is south. So any type of uh topog topography or uh recreating of land shouldn't come across the street at that location. If you further down look for the next little place Wilson Road, there's another pipe that cuts across. There's two colors. Yeah, it's

Yeah, C 103 or 10 shows existing condition. It's kind of a nice Yeah. 101. It shows it zoom in the top left. Thank you. Yeah, this is 18inch steel pipe there where his cursor is. And uh I believe are that where all the helms really located. Yes. And it looks like a lot of the impact to your side of the street that would be this land would be the next pipe up north of it. see the swale the drain swale existing going across. So that's all the water that I believe is affecting your properties. Yeah, it's affecting us. Yes. Yeah. So I'm just I'm not discounting saying that maybe this uh their impacts uh will be further downstream or further south of you just to try to that's how I'm interpreting this goes down. So what you're saying is that the drainage from those proposed lots lots should be going to the south. Is that correct or not? That's how I'm seeing this. I don't sometimes you'll have a directional arrow a foot, but that's how I'm hearing unless the county changes that ditch on the other side of road because it comes under road down is where we get all the water from. It seems the ditches there definitely can be more subsurface drainage things going on. So yeah, I definitely uh would ask you contact county um highway department. Let me know your concerns. Can I point something out on that map about the drainage? So kind of I live at 95 road and the peak of the peak of the ditch is like right here. So it flows this way from here and this way

from here. And the problem the problem is I talked to Nick who was a county engineer way back when and he flat out refused to dig that ditch because Ray didn't park properly cuz all Ray wanted to do is every 2 years dig the dirt out throw back the field. So I'm assuming that you know they they have neglected this whole area down through here. I don't know which way I'm looking at it but from the middle down they neglected it and it's still right the top. So, I'm assuming that they are going to come and dig that. They're not going to wait. They're not going to wait 3 years because they know the ditch is totally plugged. Um, the other thing that I wanted to say while I'm speaking is where I live, I live right behind the girl school. And way back when, way back when, the girl school drilled three wells, went down 500 ft, hit salt, never kept the bus, brought salt down the water table to my house. So, I don't have good water. I can't drink it. I can't do anything with it. I didn't tear my plumbing up. And we did get a water district approved, but because the the town didn't subcontract, they wanted to do it personally. It went through co materials went up too much and now, you know, they cancelled the project. I physically carried the petition down my road trying to get people to sign. And my question to the planning board is what do we have to do to talk about a water district again? Does it take somebody to actually take a petition like Tommy still did way back when start process? I don't know. That's something that the planning board doesn't approve. That's something that your town board approves. Joe, you want to comment quickly on that process? I forget exactly what happened over so they couldn't do it. They couldn't do it for the the price that it was in. Yeah, I think it was really close to the

maximum state. Yes. Yes. It was very expensive. I think that's your problem. Once you get to a certain level, so the only way to actually get better is to get more houses in there. So it's divided up between more people. That's the only way that would actually make it so that we might get water. But I know so many people that have to truck their water in down the road just to survive for the summer. So if you want to talk about, you know, the town helping people in need, I think this is something that needs to be discussed. That's I just my only chance to actually stand up and say it. So I just thought I'd say that. Thank you. Well, if we put three new lots in there, there'll be three more houses potentially to be in that water district. Do I hear a motion to close public hearing? Yes. Second. All in favor? Yes. I We're going to move on to the environmental assessment part two. Can somebody volunteer to read that, please? John, go ahead. proposed action to create a material conflict within adopted land use plan or zoning regulations? No. No. Two, will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of use of land? Three, will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? No. No. Four. Will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of a critical environmental area? No. No. Five. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic

or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking, or walkway? No. Six. Will the proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. Renewable. Seven. Will a proposed action impact existing A public/private water supplies? No. No. B public/private wastewater treatment utilities? No. Eight. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources? No. No. Nine. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change to natural resources like wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, floor? 10. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding or drainage problems? No. 11. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? No. Do I hear motion resolution? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay.

You have plat ready to go. We will we'll get the same plat to you. Okay. You guys ready to follow county highway if you want to give him a call and just say you know take a look. Yeah, I've got a meeting with the farmer but I need to get going here soon too. I'll touch base with him and see what he's been in because I know he's been in contact with the county from the county out there to take a look. They already physically watched him walk the ditch and looking at this recently. Yes. I'm surprised they haven't not yet. Yeah. So, we're anticipating that if they dig that out, it's going to flow south in the middle of the road north goes south. But if you think the whole ditch out if it overruns on the north side, I think it will blow down the ditch toward the south. Some of it actually goes north and then crosses over into talking about that 18in cover pipe. Hopefully from there we can make it so that it goes south. And there's actually another one down house that trailers across the house but that's right peak of the ditch. Mhm. cuz I walk that every day. I walk I walk that road every day. I watch it and I know it looks like Thank you. Thank you. And he's staying. Okay. Next up is 2073 East Shore Drive. IGA building

Josh what's going on you uh since the last meeting um we have made a few modifications to the plans um mostly surrounding plantings. I think some of the comments we heard last meeting was to try to plant a few trees the uh the uh greenscape. Uh our mind the board that inherently because the new septic system has to go in where the parking lot is, we're bringing up the site as it is cuz you can't pave over the septic field. Um so in your packet is a planting plan. Um along the building we always have planters there and we're showing some holly bushes in that area over um by the septic system. trees tree up that whole area down the street over there. Um, really can't plant any any larger trees in the area because of the set systems, but that area is going to be a mix of native grasses, uh, some cornflour, um, milk weed, black eye susan. So, we're going to try to get that into a nice mix planting pollinator, butterflies, some evergreens in the corner there. Those are used. There was a lot to keep trying if you're interested in displaying some of your artwork out there. Would that be anything you'd be into? Uh, I mean, I don't I don't really make outdoor art, you know. Okay. All

right. Yeah. I mean, I'm not supposed to like show myself. I think there used to be a sign out front. Here's just probably get rid of clean. Yeah. Yeah. So, beyond that, teacher wanted us to change the detail on how we connect the water new water service for the building from a wet tap to a cutting tea. That's not in your packet, but um we will make that modification uh prior to uh getting a building permit to make the connection out of the road. We received three comments during the PRC meeting from the code. Uh one being that the the fence that proposed around the outdoor patio up against the building, uh we had it shown 7 ft tall. If we go over 6 ft, we have to get a variance. So, we're going to just reduce that to 6 ft. Where where's the patio again? There was some right out right out in front. Right. Yeah. Okay. Right here. Gravel area. This is the the medicine area. The pler wall looks down towards the plant walls. This is the opening entrance. This is the the single door. This is the open door. And then there was some concern about the south wall, that area between the building and the property line. There's no windows or any activity there. Is that correct? Other than there's an overhead door there for access. Yes. Currently no red or anything that is is there is

there anything between you and the neighbors to the south? that go along the whole part of it that I think there's a bridge here. I'm your neighbor. I I submitted pictures this morning from my backyard. It is not a big factor where that garage door. I did submit pictures. I hope I won't. I'm asking that you put there because it is I can clearly see my backyard and I understand I don't need to see it here and I hear that overhead door and when it's warm up it's always open and it echoes so that's what I'm asking for and I'm not trying to be whatever it's very close if I walked it today it's 16 of my footsteps my feet are about 1T so it's very close to my front And it's not a thick edge. The thick hedge is towards that thick hedge. And it ends it ends right. And I can see the garage door all the way to the back. And I'm asking for you to please consider the back corner past that garage door. So I don't have to see you. You don't have to see me. very familiar to my property because I would like I think we did did we request some fencing with the um Danny M across the road right between the properties. Actually, you it's I spoke to that if you want me to bring that

up. I am still responsible for 2/3 of that fence which would be at my yard. So it's a substantial amount of money I'm looking at to put a fence in my front yard. I cannot afford outside my house either. I'm only going to possibly be reimbured $10,000 for $30,000 in my yard. So, I'm just asking so I have some privacy around my house. Well, I don't think you need a fence between this the south part of the building and your property. Maybe start where the door is and then go to the building to the halfway down. My whole garden and my whole yard was all the way back to the ball field. I mean, that's where I like my yard goes all the way back to the ball field. That's where I spend a majority of my life. Right. But there's there's not going to be activity between the south building south line and your there'll be activity with the overhead door but not the between that area. I don't know if we need it along the whole south line. What other board members think? Well, there's no windows in that side of the building. Can I can I speak to Josh right there where that garage door is? because people have worked there before and I'm happy that you're there. I'm glad my neighbor, but I like would like some privacy. You don't want to look at me having morning coffee in my backyard, nor do I want to look at you. I mean, I mean, it's very, very close. We, you know, it's important for our furniture and art to be climate controlled. So, you know, we don't usually work with the doors open. We keep everything closed. Um, so yeah, I mean I don't really anticipate that overhead door is going

to please have some fencing. Um, I mean I I don't really care if that's what you want. That's fine. I think we're willing to work with you. Why don't we meet out in the field and we can stake out where I would be glad to meet with you and you you can't really tell from an aerial view. You have to be like where I took the pictures and stuff. Um, and like I've lived there over 50 years. I know. And the other um thing I want you guys to just be careful of, I know with your engineers when you start digging the water is supposed to go towards the ditch that is owned by New York State. I have had a very difficult time working with New York State. That ditch floods. It runs past the harbor when rain goes down in there and there is wrinkling. It's overgrown. It's a mess. The water doesn't really go anywhere. I mean, it's it's been at points the water's gone down. So, just if you talk to New York State and just double check to make sure that you're not going to have water problems and the neighbors are not going to have water problems, especially when you start digging up the black top. Yeah. Again, one nice thing about the fact that we have to put a new septic field in the parking lot is that we're going to tear up a lot of the asphalt and not put it back. So, we should be reducing and that will help. It's like a straight shot. It doesn't it just doesn't drain once it it doesn't run to that big creek. It just sits there and it rises up. I have pictures of the past. I'm not trying to be difficult. I just would like to be neighborly like I don't really need to see stuff on all sides of my property. What's what's the distance between the corner of the garage and then going west till the the corner of the sound system? What's that that stretch in the middle there? What's

this? About 20 50 240 about 250 ft. 250 ft. Is that long? Between the corner of the garage going west to the corner to the east. I was going to the to the south southeast corner. Sorry. So the corner of the garage and then heading west to the corner of the the septic system that that middle section there where she would see visually. She would be able to see the activity of the cars or whatever was going on. Yeah. about 18200 ft. Oh, that is that far from that corner to that corner is 200 f feet. Mhm. No. I don't Well, I'm not I'm not saying the whole length from the back corner to the road. Can I walk up here? Yeah. Say 253 ft from the side. I'm really not sure. It's only got to be 100t. Where is your This is the building. Yes. Okay. So the garage see I can't really read this that garage this is the door to the garage. So from like there's a side door right here if from that side door to like this area. So I don't have to see this would be very appreciated. And it's not you can't be too 50 75 ft. Yep. So that's 40 40ft panels. It's not really that much. Is there is there yard higher than yours? I walked across the ditch today. There is an older ditch there. Um back where that little gravel area is is kind of level but carpet does go down. So that's why I just have to be very careful when you guys start the water drainage and stuff for everybody.

Um, I'm not asking the whole length of the parking lot to the back of the building all the way to East Drive. I'm just asking for some semblance of some privacy. Yeah, I think I think makes sense for us to meet out in the field and say, "Okay, great to go from here to here. Agree. Agree." Fantastic. I'm not putting something on the plan. You're like, "Yeah, you know, cuz it's very well." Yeah, that'd be great. I appreciate it. I appreciate your listening. That's right. Thanks. Were any other questions? Oh, yeah. One of we were going to get a a comment from the trail committee about a trail along the south end here. I'm not sure if I ever asked him. John, did you happen to um I don't have it right now. I don't have it right now. I will get back to you on that. It does show. Do we have that map uh showing all the future trails? At one time along the south side that was a number of years ago. In fact, I think there was a trail, wasn't there something one time anybody used that looks like a ditch? Wasn't there? There was a trail and it had mostly used people from Woods Edge to walk to the grocery store. There were a couple benches which are dilapidated and all trees and stuff right now. So, um there's a very scarce visual of a trail that used to be extending that to to the highway. We have a very steep very steep. It's really not near their safe place. So I just we we just wanted to bring it to

the attention of the trail committee for their comments. That's all that's kind of our procedure now. I'll have to email them. We'll call back. I'll just say I would prefer not to have a trailer just cuz I need quiet. It's not lit all that stuff. I can see the purpose. But now there's it's not it's not how somebody would just got to utilize your your operations. Really don't need it's kind of the darkest corner of the building. So I prefer not to crow traffic through there. Okay. So looks like we need to have a public hearing. A motion for public hearing do today or we have advertised for that. Are we advertised for one for today? Okay. Oh, we need to open up. Yeah. Do I hear a motion to open public hearing? See moved. Second, John. Yes. Seems like we've already had a little bit of a questions from the public at this point. Yes, ma'am. What's your name? Josh. There just one quick question that may be kind of early in the process. I'm hoping that noisy construction days don't start before 8 a.m. I operate as a hotel, right? I mean, I think that's very slow. Other questions or comments from the public? Motion to

close. All in favor? I want to read the seeker for us. Okay. So question one, will the proposed action create a material conflict with the with the adopted land use plan or zoning regulations? No. Question two, will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of land use? Question three, will the proposed action impair the character or quality of this? No. Question four, will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of critical environmental? Question five, will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking or walkways? Question six, will the proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? Question seven, will the proposed action impact existing A public or private water supplies? No. No. Or B public or private wastewater treatment utilities? No. Question eight. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources? No. Question nine. Will the proposed action result in adverse in an adverse change

to natural resources, for example, wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora, and fauna? Question 10. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? Question 11. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? So, it sounds like we're looking for fencing to be added on the south side. Working through that neighboring [Music] condition southside location to return location approximately [Music] 75 map. I've got a copy of the trail uh master plan map and there's no direct route behind it. So, okay, it's not a starter record. Thank you. And then what about the start time before 8? We want to put a condition in there too. No louises prior to 8 a.m. about 7 7:30 I think is reasonable. 7:30 standard. Well, if you're in a motel or a bed breakfast, what would you want? Would you want to eat? I would go with eight. I think I wear the hat on the other side sometimes. So, yeah, that doesn't mean construction activities can't take place. Just going to be quiet.

Tell me if they're inside the building and it's closed up working. So, how are we going to work that? No outside construction before 8 or 7:30. How are you going to work that? I don't want just might be heavy equipment uh noise. Well, white or what? How you going to work that? construction noise because it doesn't matter if it's a heavy equipment back or if somebody's on the circular no construction noise prior to outside work exterior right okay with [Music] Okay. Anybody want to advance this uh resolution? John and I'll second. Tom, yes. Sandy, yes. Al, yes. Christine, yes. Daniel, yes. John, yes. Yes. I don't know. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Majority of the work is interior. So potentially I guess start a little later interior first and then

exterior interior first and then the outside. Yeah, probably that's what [Music] I next project is road. been CBA to the CVA. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead and introduce yourself. So, you've been to the CBA and CBA is giving you approval. Yes. There's a couple to do couple conditions. Yes. Yes. Six. Does that include $3 as well? I'm sorry. And you have $3. And then last time you were here, we asked for a south was east side. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. So, you

actually privacy fence to it because privacy fence so privacy to it so you can't see through it. Oh, you did? Yes. What does that when you say added to when you put up a new fence? Construction sites. Okay. Now, how wide is your fence? Is there 4T? 5T. 5T replaced with 5. Oh, you did? Yeah. Are there any neighbors on that side here today? No. Well, there's one property actually is behind all the other properties. So, the house is actually I look out my front door. I see the back of my neighbors and the behind the house. Excuse me. D. So, what's the action tonight? What are we uh voting on? I Well, I think first we will want to look at the statement conditions from the CBA and then from there we went um since we've already had the public hearing in the CBA. We would just be looking at the resolution. All right. And if there are any conditions that you want to add to your those conditions, certainly I was going to say let me just kind of explain what we already did before we get going here. So, um, I'll just go right. So, they're going to square up and I will try to do this um in tandem with explaining it on a drawing here. If you give me two seconds to just pull this [Music] drawing, there should be one right on top of your packet and updated. I left it right. there. All right. So, the first thing

that uh the ZVA conditioned was that he clears up this weird jock in the fence here. And we're going to make it flush with believe it's going to go to the car. So, the jock there is going to get taken away. So, corner of the side porch. Correct. uh a square up from the souththeast corner of the house to the southeast corner of the fencing to eliminate the job and create a larger area. So I think that the gist was to square up from here to here and then in this increased area they're going to remove the job and this fence and they're going to plant some screen in there to kind of add an additional Oh. So the fence moves back to the west and they put screening in. Yes, the fence will move back to the west. Yep. Square up this corner of the house to this corner of the fence. What are they planning in there? And we're going to plant I believe we said uh small shrubs no less than 5 ft in height at the time of installation. Um and I think there was no specifics between evergreens. I think we discussed maybe a willow shrub. How far? Just along the fence line. Just along that east fence line there. Yep. And that would kind of provide some additional visual and sound. Um, eastern section of fence will be placed with the solid uh zero transparency which it sounds like the applicants already put up. Shrubs will be installed. We just discussed uh facility is limited to no more than six dogs including his that he's registered for. Um access gate along the eastern fence line. shall always remain locked.

I think there was a neighbor that voiced a concern that sometimes uh the dogs escape out of the the main door that's on the side of the fence there. So, they're going to put a padlock on it and make sure that it stays locked at all times. Um and I believe that was it. And then I think the last thing was that it just needs to be reviewed and receive site plan review and approval and then any any additional contingencies that you guys are having 60 days from tonight. Was there any other comments from the public that didn't get addressed there? I believe that was it. That was it. I believe that was everything. So it sounds like they're allowed six dogs and they can have whatever mix they want. Six dogs. No breed specific. just includes the I not breed specific but I mean mix. So if they only have one personal dog they could have five borders or they have three personal dogs they get three borders to six max. Okay. And do you have an idea of what you want to plant? Yeah, but um uh evergreen trees, the giant I'm not sure how to say it, but th I think they grow to be very tall and very wide and they keep they stay green and solid all year long. I'm sorry. What kind of evergreen trees? I guess they call but they um the tall trees that keep you they stay green solid all year round. So that way they they'll make that border. There's nothing really to the east until uh the end of the road. Um they're just backyards, but that way it'll make a solid border. Um in that condition, do they call for any particular

um spacing or no quantity? No, neither of those or species for that matter. And you know, I don't I think that would be up to you guys, but if he's already got the solid fence along the chain, like I think this is just extra. I don't know if we want to necessarily require him like staggering the stick in like, you know, enough room to really stagger anything there. I think a lot of just sound, you know, it's going to offer some dissipation. I mean depending on what he's planning, you know, when things fill in, typically 20 ft is close enough. So So did he get a variance cuz some of that's within the the outside the perimeter of the setbacks. Did he get approval for that? Yes. So he got a variance for the 150. So it has to be 150 ft from every property line cuz it's an animal care facility. So he has received the variance. that that section there to the to the east side next to the building that's that's encumbered within that correct that's all set all taken care of y board members any other [Music] questions how's your business been pretty active yeah it's been good it's been good lens some people so it's A lot of people I know I know. So I'm assuming that we changed the resolution item number one to say the applicant has received instead of must receive the old one. And I changed a couple other things as well. So

[Music] actually this project has received an area following conditions [Music] granted. So I'm assuming that condition would you have to list in here the conditions that are in the variance? Listed on the variance. Yes, I put that in. I think that's kind of a given. Yes. But I like to see it. [Music] Sure. I hear a motion to move the resolution as amended. So move. Second. Yes. Sandy, yes. Yes. Christine, yes. Daniel, yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you, [Music] 655 road and my real estate agent who's also my daughter for trying to uh ask if we can break our existing

lot at 65 ridge road into two lots. Lot one which is around 24 plus acres and then lot two which would be a little more than 6 acres. It it borders on 34B Ridge Road in the map. Yeah. And Beck with on the other side. So I'm a little confused. um two two parcels, but uh description of the proposed project is a major six lot subdivision of lands located at 655 Ridge Road. I'm sorry. It's not. So I I don't know if that was That's a mistake. That's a mistake. It's going into two lots. Okay. that that was from. The original uh plan was to do a major subdivision, but then after meeting and discussing um all the requirements for a major subdivision, they decided I don't understand. So I think we just uh did the EA for the major and I know for pointing that out. I will be sure any requirements based. So I think they're not short enough. They're not putting any. So flag lot uh for the large personal parent parent lot one there will be accessed off of back with here on the existing

gravel driveway that I think is plain why it doesn't seem to have many sharp turns. Um if they ever you know decide to run a new thing in there I think there's almost 150 ft 150 plus feet on the flag. So there should be I don't see any concern with that. And the driveway for lot two will be off backward. And the driveway for lot two I believe would be off of but they need both. So it could be either off of 30. It could be either way either off of Beckwood or off of 34B. There is currently a driveway on Ridge Road that wouldn't change 6 acres. That's a former Evans property that burned down if you remember. So there is a driveway now from 34 to Yes, there is an existing driveway. You can kind of see it right here. Oh yeah, I see. I see the real world. I guess if you guys have any questions, usually the surveys are not This is old and handdrawn, so it it has everything on there, but it's a little bit difficult to see. So if you have questions, please ask. That that property is vacant right now. That lot everything all right down [Music] there. Board, any questions? Uh yes. Yep. Schedule schedule for next month. Correct. And then we'll do the secret next month. Next month as well. We have to do we have to open up for comments to the public. So they have to advertise it. So we'll see you next week. Next next month. Next month.

Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. 372 Golden Rover introduce yourselves. [Applause] Okay. Tell us about your project. Um, we are just looking to subdivide the residential to the agricultural part. [Music] 372 and we have and this was this uh came before you guys probably five four or five months ago and it was uh oh I believe the crabs were the sisters the crab sisters and they they uh did the prior subdividing of this into two lots and then Nolan just wants to knock off the there's a small little residence here yeah 2 and 12 he's going to knock off 2.68 6 8 acres. So size. So why is this unlisted action? The prior one we had to go through public comment. What's the difference between this one and the one before? Uh no no difference. So this will have this will be the same thing. We'll have to schedule this up on the agenda here. No, this should be the same same any subdivision will be the same rundown. You'll have the preliminary review tonight and then you'll have to schedule

a public hearing for the Okay. Yeah, this is pretty pretty meets the requirements. It's about 30 acres and you're got a little bit over 2 and 1/2 acres with existing house there. So, do you have any plans for that 2 and 1/2 acres? [Music] like there's cars there. I haven't seen an actual yet or something to add. I didn't really see a survey that says to the building or 50 years, you know, if you try to sell who knows what this house was dilapidated, it might actually impact future value, right? Uh it's just a usual usually says structure building the town right there was an issue with construction. Okay, any questions? I think we're all set for this month and we'll see you back here next month for a public hearing.

So essentially that's what they're going to ask is if you guys approach hand. Yeah. So I would be surprised. the contracts for the so contracts are being signed contractors just a little better than I did but I think we're going to be doing the next month or two going to be part of that building or not is moving over there is moving there is moving is that people come to the planners department will be more at soccer practice would rather come to the town hall. I think that was one of the big ideas of just having kids go to the DW departments equipment and stuff. It made no sense. So why are we still moved up there?

reason take over some of space be storage for parks. I I don't think they have specific plans as to how parks is going to rearrange here. They're just going to get more space. if there's plans of moving stuff back and forth. Um, but that's that's more detail than I would get into. And that existing barn is going to be refurbished a little bit. The existing barn is going to have the ring torn off and they're going to renovate the rest of it. It's my understanding. And then this bar goes across the street. And is the is the new bar going to be attached to the old bar at all? No. No. There's other facil there's several buildings solar panels still work on that car or not. I do not know what the status of the solar panels are. Sorry. So, is the cost of this thing going to be affected by the whole terror? That's part of why we met today is to speed the process up so materials can get ready on site soon. Um, and the other idea is to, you know, get moving on it for other reasons, but that definitely is part of why we had a special meeting at 1:00 to approve this. So, this is phase one, right? I thought you said you were going to maybe not maybe you didn't say phase, but you're going to you cut the project and you were going to wait and do some of the other I think a lot of the add-ons got put back on cuz the bids came in well below what we were expecting. Uh, so most of the add-ons are are back in, but I can't tell you the details of which things have been taken out and which are in at the moment. It's gone through so many iterations since I said that to you that

I don't know what the will they be online. I don't I don't think so. [Music] Are you eating it with propane? I would assume so. not natural gas. So none of the office space will be splits at all. Then I know what's going to happen on that now. You're looking at doing this building. Yes. That's been taking forever to get the paperwork to get out the bid for various reasons, but I think that's about to go out. I know Ruth's been trying to push it forward. Will that whole building be air conditioned? Will the work space be air conditioned? I'm not sure. Certainly not the big barn parts where the trucks are. That won't be air condition where the crew works on the barns. Will that be air? I don't know. Again, I didn't look at that that level of detail on it. So, any more questions about the bar? Next big thing is we're starting up design as a part of that uh we're putting together a client committee to work with the consultant to help pick the consultant. We're hoping to have that group picked by July. Um that's a zoning advisory committee. That's a zoning advisory committee. Um and I'm going to be on it. Somebody from ZBA is going to be on it. uh plus uh staff and then we're going to add somewhere 5 to 10 more people from out in the community. So So we're looking for recommendations. We're looking for diversity stakeholders from the community. Yeah. Are you are you working on a certain section of the town? You're

going to do it by the whole town or you going to do it? You're going to do the whole thing. So it's all going to be done at one time. Yes. the whole house and all the different uses and the different areas all going to be done at one time. You're not just going to get business or industrial everything once district obviously less push than the rest of it. So there may be some changes to it as we adjust everything else. There may be some adjustments in that. What are you shooting for? Um the short maybe 2 years probably more like 3 and 1/2 it all depends on what kind of public feedback we get uh as the process goes forward. So will the planning board be part of the process? So how will we be incorporated? Is it going to be a little bit of time? Well, there's going to be committee back. Um, there will be sessions for the public. I'm sure there's going to be presentations to the planning board. We have not worked out the details of what the timeline who's going to do that. That's that's part of what's going to happen. We get this committee together. Also from New York State, we have to put together a timeline with all that's awesome to do all this until we got the contract with New York State to what they going to require of us. So we didn't set up a process that then turned out we couldn't do it that way cuz New York State required something else. So we just got that. We've been meeting with New York State uh for the last couple weeks. We have the contract again. We approve that contract. So that's signed. So that money is set. Um and it's going to be a process for the

next few years. Do we have a consultant that is um identified consultants? Um and so what we have to do is put together an IFP um to say exactly what we want done and we'll put that out and we're hoping we get that out in the next few months as well. So back to the committee makeup. So Jack Young who's the chair of the ZBA and myself and Joe and Ruth from the town board Scott and Heather and John from planning department codes I think I think Mason as well I think yeah and as Joe said to meet the requirements of the state it will be a big group so probably another 10 people something like that's a lot of people you What you want to think about is maybe when you present it to the planning board, you do it like every 3 months and we have a second meeting something like that. You follow what I mean? Yeah. And and keep the town board up on this as well because in the end the town board has to be in line with what is being proposed. every 3 months we would have a second meeting and then you whoever would present it to us so we don't get overwhelmed with things or every 2 months or every 6 months whatever it may be but I think it's going to be a regular I think it's going to be a batch of work done and then we'll present as opposed to trying to set up a timeline of every few months it'd be better to do with us what do you guys think would you guys be okay with a second meeting for those of you that have been on the board used to have two meetings per month And we often the second meeting was sometimes with the public but often it was working meetings because we were in the midst of looking at solar law and other things at that time. So to me it's not a big deal to a quarter or whatever. Yeah. It would be every every month but now every two

months or 3 months you might have a second meeting to discuss something. I think that'd be best. How did you do that? One at the beginning of the month. What's that? when you had two meetings second and fourth Monday. Yeah. Second Monday. Okay. And um so what's also germanine to this is um getting out the um um yeah what we using for our uh comprehensive plan. So everybody should be getting into the comprehensive plan um and looking at that because that's kind of our guide book for going through zoning here. And Joe said um well before that process is finished in 2 years we're going to be getting something in the way of an interactive zoning map. Yes. The milestones are working on that now and obviously when the new map comes in which I expect to be substantially different. Um, one of what we're looking at is sitting down some where's the infrastructure right now and building zoning around where it is now and where it conceivably would be expanded so that the zoning map kind of matches what is possible. Um, so people can get a better idea of where we want density based on what the zoning map says. Uh just uh putting that I like the idea of doing uh at milestones almost as you're doing the 10 person 20 person review board that then the planning board gets involved as you rather propose a major significant uh chunk of it almost just because you're already there representative something major won't be part of it. Um I'm not sure if I would have any more major input into it. I'm I'm assuming we're going to get a consultant first and then they'll kind of outline the process. We're going to look at all the definitions first. John the idea of having

milestones of here's where we bring the planning board in. After we do X, the planning board comes in. After we do Y, the planning board comes in. So we actually have something different to tell you because you know you may meet every month for a couple of months as we you know really dig into something and then you might not meet for 6 months type thing just so long we're not as long as we're not coming in at the back end. We want to come in on the front end. Absolutely. And there's going to be public sessions to do that as well. Um this needs to be a very public process both because that's the right way to do it and New York State is going to require it. Um, are you looking at more traditional topics like setbacks and some more contemporary ones like Airbnb and chicken walls and stuff like that? Are you looking at everything? I guess I think there's a lot of stuff that needs to start put we have sidewalk in town. We need to start putting how that's done now. Here's what those communities are doing. How do we need to adapt and then start working from there? There's a lot of stuff like that that needs to be the consulting as opposed to us trying to think of you guys have to be part of it because part of this is your experience of having trouble. where we're feeling pressure and we need changes that will make it easier to do the things that we want to do. So not only present to the planning or we presented to the zoning board as well. I don't know if any presentations this uh outline of how it's going to go. Um I know there's going to be several public sessions. There's got to be one at the beginning of the process to really get the public

understanding this is happening and then there have to be one we have a substantial idea of what's going on. Um the planning board obviously want to be into more than just those two sessions but you're welcome to come to them as well. Yeah. You know, it seemed like from the zoning board, you want to kind of look at the last 3, five years and see, you know, how how many things have come before them and what categories they fit in or what kind of issues, right? We want to awaken the next round of zoning and how we want to clean up the non-conforming issues and some of those kind of things. There's a lot to do in terms of catching up on some of these things that have changed a lot of suggestions that districts and such and we just do the work for us. I think we need you also with my require prioritize housing. I mean how we can do it I don't know maybe the contractor has experience in other communities we got to do something that to be able to get people that want to live in that can afford it. Yeah. Would you rather live in a place where you actually have access to bus services and stuff cuz you know over here these people out here the bus service runs twice a day and they can't do things in town if they're relying on the bus because the bus won't take them home again. And so we want to create more of that. We want to allow people to easily move around throughout the community and do the things they need to do in their life. So, will the U will the responses to the

[Music] RFP for the I don't think we typically make them fully public, but I don't know the answer to that. I'm just curious. I mean, usually there's some pretty good signs of like your capacity consultant is to work. Yeah. Community engagement and experience and putting all this stuff together. Obviously, we're going to find the community is going to do a lot of that work as well. recommendations. I would be interested in looking at the art pieces, the responses to the arts. a lot of ideas for a while. But there also um just a a point, it seems increasingly um some of the firms will work with um there are a couple firms in upstate New York that specialize in public input, one out of Rochester. It's very good. Well, let's get let's get the things that you think are to be pushed on cuz you have the RFP and then you say to these folks, I want to make sure you sign. I want to make sure you saw it or maybe you looking at the verbage of the RFP, right?

So, so do I think you need to share it with your board just to like keep the board up on here's here's what we're thinking blowing his drafts. I see no reason why the board you can't share with the whole board and whoever has ideas brings them forward. Sure. What else you got? Those are big things about the storm water that's updated with New York state law. New York state changed the storm water laws and we're having to do it in terms of the uh changing from 2 acres to 5 acres that haven't yet. So I don't know what the general feeling is going to be on that agenda for I hope so. He was asked to be cannabis. Cannabis is coming back from die. I don't have anything from him yet. Um the town's looking at legalizing cannabis sales in the town so that we can get a share of the tax money. And it's just sales, not not consumption, right? Yeah. Growing is legal. You you can get a license and grow in the town, right? There's consumption and then there's also sales and that consumption. Yeah. I think the on-site consumption the sales I don't think anybody in Tomkins County has tried for a license for on-site consumption. I think it's awesome. I I maybe New York City I don't think I've seen anywhere with onsite consumption. I might be wrong. We'll see. Maybe all the movie theaters will change into consumption. Let's see. solar rig solar regulation split. Um that's that's anything else. What happened with they

call regulations instead of we don't like this one in that part as opposed to just the one line that was objectionable. So we're talking about changing our law not really as much as structure. So that if you take out a paragraph, you don't take out two or three things. You only take out one thing. That's all I had from the code revision committee. Um I didn't get to sit in on the um uh the capital budgeting committee. And we should be seeing a capital budget any time now. It's going to definitely be part of this year's budgeting process. Is both a capital budget and a 5-year projection of the budget. And then every year we'll update those. So that we're 5 years ahead. So we really see where things are going. So what did the power come in at? How much? I don't remember off the top of my head. How much less than you you estimate? I think it was 7 million under the high number. Really? Yeah, it was substantially lower than what we were expecting. We putting all the addons back in because we could afford them. which was a good thing. Um, do you Yeah. Did anyone talk about the Dandy Mar last month? No. Is there what is People keep asking me. I said I I have no clue. They haven't brought us anything. You haven't received anything from me. I've had complaints about the unsightly. Anybody else have here? Is there any way we can ask them to at least create it if they're not going to begin construction? Well, somebody's got to file a complaint with the town. I don't know if anybody has anybody to stump out. No, I think so.

Okay. I think John's followed up with their their engineers, but I don't know what that. The biggest thing that I noticed is on the the south um boundary the hedro that's there especially near the the road is very thin. So we have to keep that in mind offering if they're not going to break ground and get in there and just grade it make it look at least I I don't know how much the town has authority on that. I know they can control storm water issues. So if they've got runoff and stuff that that could see fails and I don't remember seeing soap fence. Yeah, there's no So and they just heard over an acre. So there's there's ways I think you can get in and say okay you you bring this attention or this and just ask nicely to begin with and see what happens. I think well they moved all their equipment off. So they moved all their equipment away from the site itself. Who knows? I I think you want to be careful about doing too much discussion on a project that might come forward. You don't want to look prejudiced on the project at this point. So, I I think we'll just wait. Uh, and the town's been informed that there has been some complaints about the status of the site and hopefully staff will be able to take care of that and work it out with uh Dandy. How long is their current site? What was the question? How long is their current site plan for? 3 years from 22, I believe. plan's not going to work cuz D made them change aspects of it. So, they can't use their current site plan approval because they have to change it to meet DT's uh

rules. So, they have to come back here and get some kind of adaption um which something um which starts the clock over again. Well, I thought they were um I think or I thought I heard that they were nervous about Cargill at one point when they were talking about selling Cargill and they got nervous that they then they decided to reduce their truck so much on diesel. That's what I like I had, you know, somebody told me that it's all it's all but it's pretty clear they're going to have to get some kind of site plan change which means you guys have to which starts the clock over again, right? So when does that trigger uh public comment? will change the site plan. There won't be public comment. Honestly, I don't know. I think I would assume it would be at your guys's discretion. It's going to be that the public's going to be involved. I heard the last round. Yeah. Would you find a where does when does the public comment period just because they have a new site planned to require public comment and it's only a nominal change? I don't think it's required but you guys can require it. So we feel this is important enough that we want to get public comment and I would recommend towards getting public comment. Yeah, but at the same time we we don't want to open up a can of worms again public comment doesn't open up a can of worms. It gives the public a chance to voice their opinions to you. Um and you

know as valuable as the comments are and sometimes the public comments are really valuable and I've watch you guys change projects over and over again because of what the public told you. So killing the public is not a harmful thing. But it's it's a it does make the the whole process get you shield here. The tradeoff is the public might tell you something that you didn't take into account because well yeah we worked today we worked with the f the lady neighbor said she wanted a fence and a comment. Okay that's makes it's a logical uh request. So motion to anybody.