City Council - Regular Meeting

Italian and I was trying to keep That's all right. Um All right. We're going to start with uh the quarterly investment report has to be uh heard during the regular meeting. So, we're going to pass on that. Uh number two, uh any any issues from reading the minutes from our last meeting full of public hearings and motions? No. No. No reason to revisit. The crowd's crazy. I think everybody who participated should get a medal of honor for all that. I thought we did reading award.

I thought we did really well. We didn't have to write. All we had to do is read. I missed you guys. And I'm not sure you missed me, but I did miss you. You missed out. You didn't miss the reading 101. It was public reading 101. You did. Yeah, you didn't miss out. It was the long version. Yes. We don't have anything from yesterday. I think minutes, but I don't think minutes for yesterday. That'll be next. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So, next is the reappoints for planning and zoning, the zoning board of adjustment, and the parks recreation board. If you looked in your packet, it's a page 29. Uh, these are all reappointments for two-year terms. There's four on PNZ. Paul Kenny, Breaking Arnhart, which is also going to be number five here as we do discuss these together. Uh, breaking was on there before and got off for work. Now can do it. So back on as our first alternate. Leslie Davis and Chris York. All of these this is place one uh five and seven. I don't I think you missed the place alternate one on the other. Must be three. Uh and then the zoning board is John Edward Jr., Bill Jones, Brad Blanchard. Again, all two-year terms ending November 2027. And then the parks wreck board reappoint. If you remember, uh these actually have only been on one year because when we make the parks and wreck when they split, some some had one year, some had two year because of the places and the term expiration. So that's Zan Grover and Robin Oaks. Uh any uh anybody have any questions, issues, comments about any of that? Anybody's going to be fine with that?

I'm great with it. After all is said and done, we will be minus an alternate planning zoning. Sure. Unless you alternate position would be open. Two alternate positions open.

Okay. Um okay, no questions. We'll move on. Uh again, here we are going to award our depository services contract to the uh to consider to award it to the first national bank of McGregor and authorized city manager to execute the contracts. And uh this was actually this is this is actually going to be a presentation from Valley View Consulting. Yes. And Craig, you want to anything you want to say on?

Yeah, I mean it's this is a required process we go through every five years and Valley View helps us with that process. This is pretty comprehensive. We started this quite some time ago in anticipation of getting out ahead of the expiring contract in case we change this case. The recommendation is to stay with uh our current depository bank. But u you'll just make a short presentation just kind of outline for you process we go through to do this. It's not just a sit around and say who do we think we should pick this time. It's actually a fairly involved process we go through to make this decision. Okay. Uh, does anybody have any questions about that? I mean, I look through the presentation. It's pretty self, but we'll listen and be attended when it's their turn.

Yeah. And part part of the reason we want to do the presentation just so the public knows that we're not sure. We actually to there's a method to the methods. Yeah. Um, okay. Uh, number seven, we is time to adopt the Mlennon County Hazard Mitigation Plan. Master George read all 933 pages. He got the 550 and stuff. Learn how to scan very quickly to whatever concerned Robinson and I said, "Well, the rescue people can do it on your own." Yeah.

So, um, so what I know about this is, um, it has to be done every five years. Is it every five years? And it is a countywide. It's not local just to us. It's countywide. So, they're looking for our approval. So

yeah, this used to be this was all done city by city and then after Katrina and some of those things that happened and the size of it, the emphasis moved away from moving uh you know have 15 different emergency management plans in a county and have everybody on the same page. So it pushed toward everybody towards one common emergency management plan but also one common hazard mitigation plan. And so the hazard mitigation plan is kind of the attempt of what are the potential hazards. We want to recognize those and figure out ways to mitigate the problems that come from those. So this gets this gets reviewed every five years and updated. You know, is there things that are more elaborate or less new things that have come along, new industries that might create hazards? And we do have somebody from the county here. So if you have specific questions about the plan.

So a question can we have since we have time can some of that discussion or presentation something be made. Here is all yeah I mean I don't know that do we have much of a presentation? Yeah it was just kind of anything you want to talk about. I mean I did tell you he was going to read all 900 something pages. Craig think Craig thinks this is a filibuster in Congress, but you know, we'll offer up that 933 pages to the Republicans next time. Not everybody has to stay during a filibuster, by the way. Oh, yeah. They're reading to themselves. You know, at least it wouldn't be poetry. They might learn something.

Um, okay. So, uh, we'll move on from that question. just just uh too late the cuz I didn't read the 900 something page. I might be the only one at the table that didn't read. I can't believe I cannot believe that he did not read knowing Jimmy. I'm really I gave it a go about how long was the first page? You know, I'm going to trust the officials to take care of that business. Not Not even going to try to get in the weeds, but question because on our agenda tonight, we also have um an item that How does our potential decision play into the county's plan on tornado and mitigating? And is there anything

alarm for the alarm system? Is there anything in there that gives guidance that we may be about to go against the grain? Do you know do you know where Go ahead. So ask him.

Okay. So question being um so we're considering we have two very outdated uh outdoor warning system sirens. the cost to over to to overhaul, not overhaul, put them back up is it it doesn't look like it's worth uh the price of pudding. So, we're thinking and considering in another action item tonight of going in a different direction, not repairing those. I don't know what the decision is going to be, but that's on the table. How does that fair that type of decision fare with the county's mitigation plans? So in in this case, and it's a great question. Um in the plan before you, what it primarily would do is that if the state had hazard mitigation grants and things uh coming out of the Hill Country floods, that's probably going to be something that's going to be of major note to the state probably this next legislative session. But if the city of Robinson, for example, just as a exercise, was to say, "We would like to apply for a hazard mitigation grant to replace these sirens." This was a a project that was approved by the state. The first thing the state is going to ask you is do you have a adopted uh hazard mitigation plan? Yes, you do. Uh the second question would be would that be one of your um identified projects within your plan? Yes, it is. So, the plan lists several different projects that the city of Robinson's planning team set down and um some moved forward from last plan. I'm not sure how many uh what the difference was but depending on what you have in that plan is there you'll be able to seek uh seek grants for that and the other half of it is adoption of the plan is required to have any sort of public assistance. So um if you know god forbid something happened here tornado comes in tear some things up uh to have uh the state come in uh for public assistance at all requires passage of that plan.

So do you know of any grants that are available at this time? Not for that specific purpose. Now, uh, bits of conversations with Chief and I earlier on. Um, not sure if you want to get into that now, but there's a couple of different things we could do on that regard. I mean, my my personal opinion on on sirens. I think they're important. I think they're necessary. Um, I think the public expects them after 85 years of having that system. It's it's ingrained into the public consciousness exactly what that sound means. Uh, but that's that's for this council to to determine. I personally one out of seven, I do want to know about the information that's available for that because If we have the availability of grants that would be great. I don't think that we refunds to get grants and been denied all three.

But but he was saying I I understand we talked about that last time but he was saying that since the situation happened down south there's a possibility the state of Texas would enact or bring up make avail grants you know with the buildings in our but that's not going to start until the 2026 legis and so I don't misrepresent myself. I don't know that to be a fact. Um, I know that's a priority for them, but this legislature came and went without that being passed. And so, uh, the mayor is correct. It would be till 26 before they really got back into that program. Good to know. Thank you. Anybody else got any questions for us? Because we're fixing to go into the discussion.

Okay. So, on the outdoor warning system, so we asked, we'll just go to the discussion here if you want. We asked if uh what the estimated cost would be to remove the existing units. They have not been able to procure that amount yet. The sound radius of the new units versus existing units. Our old unit had a 3/4 mile radius. The new units two miles. So um I guess that would make a little difference in how they've mapped them out so far. It might not need as many as the original. But did you get a cost on the new units, David?

No, not yet. We just had a I had a team meeting with the folks from Faircom and

this morning was expecting an email with some answers to some of those questions. I did find out during teams meeting that in that proposal that we showed with the map with our two existing and the 15 proposed sirens that showed roughly two mile radius was an R2 and now they're proposing upgraded R4 that has it's probably a half mile larger than the R2 with we discussed kind of a recommendation if you look at where the two R2 are on that the map with the 17. Okay. And uh I think I sent an email with just the other

two that will show the R4s. Okay, the two larger red circles are um just just for discussion purposes. That's kind of because if you if you go with the where the two green pins are where those are our existing sirens uh with the R4s there'll be way too much overlap. So what uh what Bradley did with Whan was is he dropped the uh the second one further south. So you see just just the option of replacing the two and relocating those two uh is basically what that represents.

What percentage of our population would those two cover because we got what 14 15,000 total. And by the way for you sir what is your name? My name is Ryan Durker. So in our city of Robinson we have about the same population otherwise maybe in Portland yet our territory is 30 plus square miles as opposed to six square miles for them. We have a lot more territory to cover for any kind of system like this. So I would think that we need to hit the most populated areas for sure. But is there any kind of regulation that you know of on that that uh would that where we would need to or be obligated to go 30 square miles

regulation? No. Uh what I will say though is that best practice on emergency alerting is what we call a layer cake approach. So your sirens are just one tool in your toolbox. I know there was been some discussions on uh text alerts and things like that. I will tell uh council that uh we are most likely going to be going away from our Everbridge system towards something new. Uh that was voted by the council of governments recently. And so what that looks like, we don't know yet. That system is somewhat in flux. But when it comes to the sirens, I I think it's uh it's up to the jurisdiction where best best needs to fit them. The only specifics I know of the state government now uh have to deal with large floodable bodies of water which doesn't apply to roads.

Thank what's the what's the new version of every bridge? We don't know yet. It just happened last week. So those plans are being How far out is that? I say what's the that's our next question. What's the roll out? Don't know. Um year year sooner uh would be would be my guess. I truth be told I voted against it. I wanted to stay on our system but I was outvoted. That's uh that's democracy. That's okay. Um but when we get that information I can ensure that it is passed. So is Everbridge in your opinion going to cover more than the new system they voted on? What was your reason for not?

So because the city of Waco and also the city of Robinson uh used system a little bit more than our partners and other counties do. Um it hurts us a little bit more to move to a different system. There's some growing pains there and there's going to have to be some retraction of services while we figure that out and hopefully they're as minimal as possible, but primarily for that reason I wanted to stay where we are. I I felt uh while expensive, it is a Cadillac program and so um it was it was meeting our needs and needs of Mlennon County. But that's that's how these things go. There's a lot of there's a lot of players in the space now, a lot of good has to do with the program that you chose. I have high confidence in it's just going to be a matter of uh getting it up transition. Was it cheaper? The new one is cheaper slightly.

You know what the name of the new one is? I believe is uh is y'all's website for the city civic plus? Civic Plus. Yes. Yeah. So Civic Plus got into the game and so they're going in that direction. So it's it's a Civic Plus based system. It's not it's not called no now, is it? Don't believe so. later. Mentioned that in this new R4 unit, it also has app. It's called Does it have any free money in it? Yeah. For an extra fee. That's the next question. We're doing a bundle, right? Yeah.

They call it bundle.

Every time we open a box with a siren, there's a million cash in the box. Did y'all pay that? Um, okay. So, uh, then we said if the city decided to replace one or both units, we would likely consider more effective locations, what would be the cost? We haven't got that cost yet. And then but they did say that they recommended that obviously downtown fire station city hall high school peplo park better locations to serve the middle of the city so-called I guess that would be. So uh we have five six minutes we can discuss if somebody wants to bring out what you've thought of since the last time we discussed this which was quite

take a while to for us to really come up with a solution. We're not going to do it by next month probably. You know what I mean?

Mayor and I talked today. I think the decision is you have to decide do you want to stay with some type of a siren warning system and if you do we need to go look at options there's an option possibly do something with Waco there's an option to do our own you know can we say what covers whatever percentage of our city so I think the first decision has to be do we want to stay with the sirenes now the siren is going to even going with Waco I think is going to be expensive they're not going to come out here and say we have free sirens to put out so either way the part of that question is going to be where does the money Like Ryan said, it's over 80 years or whatever people have come to expect it, so to speak. I kind of lean toward that, too, and that I don't want to spend the money unnecessarily for the city, but yet I do want to provide adequate notification. Personally, this is just one out of seven me talking. So, I I would like to have some numbers. I'd like to us to research it and find out every possibility might have that's possible. That's agreeable for y'all. you know, maybe discuss it with this gentleman that seems to know more about it and uh, you know, view the options. Is that viable? Is this something?

We can come up with numbers. It's just, like I said, the challenge will be coming up with the money to meet the numbers. Because we do know that the We don't have to go down very much even if we partner with the city of Waco. We're still talking probably talking a few million dollars. Yeah. At least two million plus. I would I would say that if these existing are inoperable then then we should move forward with removing them so that we impression of the system that is active and working and then we again continue with the push for the bridge system get sign up for these alerts and then we continue

Destiny did say 112 12 112 people since the last meeting when they kind of pushed it a little bit on did sign up. So look at that. I did too. I was sitting right there next to you. Yeah. I know we did it together. So what what are we waiting on? Does somebody professional have to take the old sirens down or can you just take a chainsaw? Yeah, I've got a chainsaw. I can put a bit in. I can't see. They're not usable and they're not to be politically cut it down and haul it off. Or we may just need you to push it. I mean, some

maybe electrician unhook it before you cut it down. I'd have to see how the wire I mean the hole is like a tree. Cut it down and you can cap it underneath. I mean put water resistant caps that area. I mean, I would agree. Part of the hold up is the guy with Bradley Cox with a conference right now. He was met with him this morning. So he he has a lot of input on the numbers that we're waiting on.

Well, I agree with Jimmy on the fact that if if they're sitting there and they don't work, they're giving a false sense of security security to whoever thinks they're going to come off to work. I've never even heard them. I don't even Yeah, I don't even know it's possible. Is about taking them down. when we have had to remove our sirens. Uh depending on when they were put in the ground, these were put in the 50s if I recall correctly. Is that is that accurate? Long time ago. They were redone what in the 90s? Then it's most it's most likely they based them with strong concrete. So I mean it depends. I mean to do it safely I don't I'm not exactly an expert but chopping it in the face. It's inherently dangerous.

Well either way the polls are also observant the If we do replace them, we'll be there will be off, but we won't be using those places. So, I would say we should move forward with removing them. They're not going to go back there. They're not going to go back there. They won't go back on the same pole either. That's right. So, I would say that we probably couldn't make that a action item until we knew how much. Is that correct? We can't just say respons. So if we saw the pole and they fall and break, what would have we lost? You know, they're they're inoperable. We saw the pole and they fall.

So there's power lines nearby, there's structures nearby, there roadways nearby. I get that there's things they can fall on. So the cost to take them down could be a crane holding them while you're cutting them, laying them on the ground. The electrical The electric comes in, the electrical comes into the the control panel down further on the pole. It's not at the very top. Sound like going to require some digging and just

insured bidder. It's tractor work. You could probably pull it down. I want to continue to break it. So we don't we can't depend on me now. Y'all sign a waiver city. I can find some fun commercial to make tearing it down with something. You gonna have Charlotte on that commercial? Yeah, there you go. So, if that's a directive and I can do it within my operational budget, I'll go in and take them down. Cheap as possible. Get Charlotte chainsaw. There you go. I got I got people take this thing down without hitting any wires, any holes.

I got people. Not a problem. Okay. All right. I guess that's enough on all of that. Yes, sir. Jeremy, is there a way for the Minton County Hazard Mitigation Plan to move that to a consent agenda? I'm going to leave that for the mistake. Prior public hearing. It's not a public hearing. Okay, everybody okay with that? Great. Okay, Jeremy's always thinking ahead. Thinking ahead. Plan on time. Seven heads are better than one.

Uh oh, wait a minute. I missed one thing hurriedly. Sorry. We got to cast the city's vote for the selection of two members for the board of directors for the appraisal district. Now, there are three names on your packet. We have no information on any of them. All we know is Jim Patton is currently currently on there. We have 62 votes out of a bazillion. So, our 62 votes can go for one person or be split amongst two. Is that cor is that correct? What we discussed today?

I have a question. Is Jim Smith the Jim Smith that was the former superintendent here and is currently the precinct chairman county commissioner? He can't do just want to make sure his name's Jim Smith. Yeah, I asked the same question. Dwayne Moss is a great guy. Known him for banking. He's a very smart individual. I would definitely vote for Dwayne Moss. I don't know Jim Patton or Jim Smith, but Dwayne Moss is a top-notch person. I would definitely recommend I know about maybe those two then. Does anybody have any more information at this table before we move that?

Just one thing real quick. The appraisal district board, they set the budget. They hire the appraiser. They don't have anything to do with what property values are. They don't hear protests or anything like that. They're strictly the governing body that hires the chief appraiser, which is a very important decision to make. It is very important. I think sometimes think that they're the people that are deciding what your property is worth and they're not. All right, we'll take that information and deal with it when it comes up shortly. All right, we're journ

How you doing? Yeah, last meeting. Thank you. Yep. We're on muted. We're on muted. We're live. Mics are hot. Nothing's changed. I was stating facts.

Oh, we will call our meeting to order. Uh we do have a quorum and to begin with our ever present leader in the pull pit, Jerry Freeman will come up and give us our invitation. Thank you again for all.

You're very welcome. Let's pray. Lord, there's been a passage of scripture running through my mind today, and it's been the words that you instructed the Apostle Paul to write. Give thanks for everything. In all things, give thanks. Lord, it's easy for us to do this time of year because we think about turkeys and holidays and we think about be being able to travel and seeing the people that we want to see. But to give thanks in all things at all times, we have to admit escapes us. So tonight, Father, I pray as we pray for the city, as we pray for this council, as we pray for those who uh who watch over us as first responders, those who take care of our kids, as teachers, those who make these decisions, we as as members of this community, we have to say to you, Father, we need your help to remember no matter what our circumstances, no matter what kinds of things are going on, whether we consider them to be good or bad, Father, help us to give thanks. To give thanks at recognizing that you are with us. To give thanks, Lord God, at recognizing that in spite of wants that we might have, we still have so much more. And you've provided, Lord, the opportunity for us to find ways to help those around us who continue to be in need. Lord God, lay them up on our hearts this week upright. hand as we gather together, as we travel, help us in every way to give thanks in Jesus name. Amen.

Amen. Join me to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. May seated. Roll here. Here.

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Good evening. Thank you always for the opportunity to be able to come and address the city council. Um, I bring you greetings from the Greater Robinson Chamber of Commerce. I just like to share the announcements of the events that we have upcoming. Our biggest and bestest and most exciting event is the next one coming up with on December 4th with the collaboration of the city council of the city of Robinson and the Robinson ISD. We'll be putting on our annual Christmas parade. It starts at six o'clock and we will go from the high school down to PLO Park where we'll have a tree lighting at PBLO Park after the parade and Santa of course will be in the gazebo waiting for the little kids to come and visit him. Uh the next thing will be our monthly board meeting on December the 9th. It will be right here at city hall. We had to move it last month because of a holiday, but it'll be right here at city hall. It is an open meeting. We welcome all anybody to come to our um monthly board meetings and give input and ideas and thoughts and you know we don't know what you want us to do unless you tell us what you want us to do. So we try to um do what we think is best for the community but sometimes we need a little guidance too. Um our next event would be on uh January 22nd which will be our quarterly networking lunchon. We have these every three months and this one will be once again at Tunen at noon and um our speaker is not quite confirmed yet but we will have a speaker that day and would love for you guys to come and join us at that quarterly networking lunchon at Tun. Um, also on February the 12th, we will have our

semianual membership meeting. It will be the at the Hampton Inn and Sweet South. It'll begin about six o'clock. We'll have food. We haven't worked out all the particulars for that yet. We'll have some sort of food, maybe tacos, maybe not. Um, but anyway, we would invite you to come and enjoy that as well. Um, and then in the distant future, but not too distant, we will be having our annual membership banquet on July 23rd. It will once be once again be at the Texas Sports Hall of Fame. And as far as I know, it will once again be a casino night. So, it'll be lots of fun. We'd love to have you guys um sponsor. We'd love to have you guys purchase tickets. We'd love to have you guys come out and share that exciting time with us. And as a side note, we still have some poinsettas left at the Lions Club.

What? What? Yeah, the fire department needs some. You need some work for Jimmy. It's a fundraiser for scholarship money.

Look. Look. See there? [Music] At this time we have a outgoing council member Rick who has served four years on this council with distinction and we have a presentation for her and for that presentation uh one of our council members who served that entire time with her mayor pro Tim will make presentation to her.

Yeah. Yeah. Are you guys going to park, you know, for the picture? Everybody's going to go. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll be in your picture.

Yeah. We'll we'll make sure we scoot over here just in. So, so number one, thanks everyone for for joining and being here tonight. I do want to take this opportunity. It does mean a lot to me to be able to do this for Britney. Um, as the mayor's stated, we served all four years together. Um, for those of you that have that don't really see what goes on behind the scenes, there is a lot of time and sacrifice that we as council members make. Um, and with Britney being a fellow, you know, parent, uh, we both have kids in the Robinson school system, both part of sports, there is a lot of time and sacrifice that we do step away from our families to be able to help and serve on this. So, just personally really do appreciate that. It really means a lot and it's been a privilege serving with you and you being a part of our family. So, that's

So, officially, I'm going to read this. Um, So today we recognize and thank Council Member McClean for her dedicated service over two full terms. Your hard work, steady leadership, and commitment to our community uh has made a lasting impact. We are truly grateful for the time, energy, and heart you've invested in this city. With that being said, it is our privilege to re present this plaque in recognition of your outstanding contributions. Thank you so much. [Applause] It's been an honor. Um, I'm super grateful for uh our city employees, our council, and um I'm proud to have been a part a small part of Robinson's progress. And thanks, guys.

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All right. Now we get to administer the office to the newly elected council members. Uh we're going to start with the 27 term incumbent Jimmy. How many has it been now? 27. How many years? How many? Uh 10 years. And he's still alive. Let's see if I can get this right without stuttering or I mean there's a a lot less trust me since since I started I'm getting smarter right

it's receding because your brain is growing say it louder for them raise your right hand I state your name I Jimmy Rogers do solemnly swear do solemnly swear I will faithfully execute that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of the duties of the office of city Robinson. City Robinson. Council member Place One. Council member Place One of the State of Texas of the State of Texas and will to the best of my ability and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and laws the Constitution and laws of the United States of the United States and of this state and of the state. So help me God. So help me God. [Applause]

All right. Welcome back, Jimmy. Thank you very much. My speech is much shorter. Thank you. Next, Mr. Burch. Yeah, you have to play. All right. Don't tell my wife. Now be a picture of you. You tell you're in trouble. Careful. Thank you. I'm not going to shake your hand either. First

just gently. That's it. I I Charlie Burch do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will faithfully that I will faithfully execute the duties of execute the duties of office of city of Robinson office of the city of Robinson council member place three council member place three of the state of Texas of the state of Texas and will the best of my ability and the will to the best of my ability preserve protect and defend preserve protect and defend the constitution and laws the constitution and laws of the United States of the United States and of the state and of the state so help me God so help me God keep instead. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you, citizens. We appreciate your vote and enjoy serving for this city. I really do. Been here 45 years. I've said that 50 times up here, but love this city and and my goal is to just do the best I can do to do what we just what I just promised, but to help this city uh as much as I possibly can with just one little vote, one little need. But thank you'all. God bless you. All right, to our newest member who does not yet know what he's got himself into, Mr. Tim Hulamp. [Applause] ALL RIGHT. I I temple

do solemnly swear do solemnly swear I will faithfully execute that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of the duties of the office of city of Robinson council member place five city of Robinson council member place five of the state of Texas of the state of Texas and will to the best of my ability and will to the best of my ability preserve protect and defend preserve protect and defend the constitution and laws the constitution and laws of the United States of the United States and of this state and of this state help me God

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Thank you. Thank you, sir.

No, she won't let me. We'll be quiet. Could I have a motion for ahead considering future pro he's done an outstanding job in this several of our new mayor and other mayors before him and he's done a great job. I think I very pleased to have him alongside me as mayor pro. I'll second that. Second. All in favor? I any welcome back to the

chair. All right. Uh we now have a presentation on our quarterly investment report.

So this is the quarterly report and the fiscal year report for the period September 30th 2025. was actually um the beginning of the quarter which would have been July 1st instead of it says September 30th but it should have been June 30th. The beginning book value and market value for total investments was $44,820,198. The ending book value and market value is 69,546,200. The total 25 2025 fiscal year earnings is 4.34%. Looks like total this is this is actually yearly here totaling yearly interest is 2,149,368. So that was actually yearly. So it was September 30 24 looking the quarter is June 30th to September 30th. Uh the beginning balance was 45,716,18 ending book value 69,546,200. The average quarterly yield was 4.21% and the quarterly interest earnings were 574,227 and the total year-to- date interest earnings 2,149,368. I'd be happy to answer any questions. The reason the number jumped so much is because you allion

questions I just I have probably this is because the money needs to be but under the investment September 2025 page 0% 550 86 is that money or is there reason why?

Um yeah, I mean a lot of that is just that's just basically checking account you know typically you earn interest on checking account those are the numbers that are in there. What we do is we put our money in investments and we transfer it into operational spending accounts is the checks and everything. So you don't typically get on. So that's the number that was in that account. We typically will transfer like we make a project comes in and we might have four or $500,000 payment. We'll pull that money out of an investment. We put it in check. So if the period ends between the time we pull that money insul So that's where the money goes in and out and then we move it to the various investments.

All vote passed. Uh consent agenda. Okay, wait. Okay. On the consent agenda, we will have uh approval of the November 4th, 2025 Council Workshop regular meeting minutes, the approval of all reappointments to the planning and zoning commission zoning board of adjustments park and recreation board. Uh the acceptance of Tim Hulamp resignation from planning and zoning place three and the acceptance of Bracken Barnhart alternate one to move to place three on planning and zoning and to uh and to adopt approval to adopt resolution 2025-014R adopting county hazard mitigation a motion.

I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second that motion. All in favor? Any oppose?

Did you get that? Got it. All right. Now we need to uh talk about the depository service contract being awarded to TFNB. So I think we have a short presentation on that one. Yeah, you're up. Yeah. So we have with us tonight uh Tim and I can never pronounce your last name correct.

Kenna with Valley Consulting. He helped staff through this process. Uh it was he Karen Sanchez, Destiny Dilo and uh Adam Harry are account they all spent quite a bit of time working on this. So he just has a short presentation kind of outline what the process is that the city and valley went through making this uh evaluation and making this recommendation. So with that I will turn it over to you.

Thank you Craig. Good evening mayor and council. Good to see all of you. Uh and so I think as as Craig had mentioned during Oh yes, as Craig mentioned during the session, part of the idea is just to be transparent kind of so everyone knows how the city selects its depository. Um and it is a requirement that uh Oops. Destiny, what do I need to do to make it advance? Is it I turn it on? Is it this button? Yes. Okay, there we go.

So, this is something that chapter 105 requires that happens once every five years. So, if you haven't been on the council for more than five years, you haven't been through this process before. It's also hopefully helpful for you guys just to kind of see what's involved in that. So, the initial agreement will start March 1st, 2026. Again, as Craig mentioned, we like to get started early just in the case the city decides to go with a different bank. You want to allow some time to have a transition. So in this case, the city is staying with the incumbent, but you want to build that in for that event. So our recommendation, what the city elect to do is structure it with a initial two-year term of the contract within three one-year renewals. And the reason main reason for that is it kind of gives the the city an opt out option just, you know, we've seen bank acquisition sometimes when the new bank comes in, service levels drop off, service is not the same. So it just kind of gives the city some leverage in case it's like we're not happy with this new arrangement or even with an existing bank if things deteriorate. Gives you an easy way to kind of take an exit ramp, redo the process. So again, the governing codes, chapter 105 is the one that says you have to go through this process once every five years at a minimum. Uh obviously the conflict of interest act and then the public funds investment act is important. the collateraliz because the city all of the city's deposits at whatever bank they're with are collateralized with either uh securities or letters of credit. And so then this just kind of briefly talks about the steps. So we we look at what the city's usage is, what services they're using, uh look at required banking services. And this is kind of a good it's also a good process to go through are there services banks have started offering that could benefit the city. So, we just kind of do an overall review of what are you using, what maybe you might you benefit from adding that you're not currently using. And there's just one bank within the city limits of Robinson. So, because of that, we expanded the boundary to a 15 mile radius just so we get a more competitive

response and more options for the city to choose from. Uh, and then we contacted all the banks within that radius, tried to establish a contact because you can send out an RFA, but if it doesn't get in the right hands, you may not get a response. We want to make kind of do some homework ahead of time, make sure we're talking to the right bankers at each of those banks. Then we drafted the RFA. Uh we posted the notice, that's a requirement, and advertised it. Um and then we we had a list of all the bankers. We had the right emails and so it was sent directly to them via email so they knew that the city was going out for RFA. Uh and we call it request for applications versus an RFP because that's the language chapter 105 uses. They call it applications, bank applications. We had a non-mandatory pre-proposal Zoom call. So that lets us go over the RFA with the banks. It also kind of gives us an indication of what the interest is uh from the institutions. And so that call was attended by seven banks. That was a really good turnout. We were pleased with that. So these are seven banks that had some interest in responding to the city's RFA. Uh and at the end of the day, we got five responses. So really a very good turnout. Our our average when we do one of these is like 4.5. So Robinson was kind of right right at that average level of response rate. The evaluation criteria just kind of gives you an idea of comp the complexity for a city u because a lot of times it's easy to think oh well my checking doesn't you know personal checking doesn't have that many needs or demands but the city is processing a lot more types of payments cash flow they need more reporting information more safeguards like positive pay a fraud filter so we're kind of looking at all of those services you're also looking at things like you know what are they charging what kind of interest rates are the are the banks offering on the city's balances and then convenience of locations And lastly and not least, financial strength and stability of the institutions. So we have a couple of resources we look at just to make sure that the banks that are responding are financially sound.

So this is this is a a very much an abbreviated snapshot. There's a much more detailed report if you're interested that you can see, but this kind of hits the the high points of it. So, um, it's ranked from highest to lowest in overall return to the city. Again, based on a five-year contract, also based on current rates. So, it's going to fluctuate, but these are going to move probably if as rates go down, they're going to move similarly down there. So, a couple of key things we looked at were what are the fees that the banks are charging. So, three of the banks said we'll wave all fees. A couple of the banks did charge fees, so we factor that in. Um, that next column is the interest rate. So what's the rate that the banks reach offering to pay on the city's balances? To give you a little more context on that, the city we we looked back where what has what kind of balance has the city maintained at the bank over the last 12 months because we want to have something that's reflective of where the balances have been. It's been about 7.4 million for the last 12 months. So we we took that in, took that rate, measured it against those balances, uh and then offset if there were fees, we subtracted those out. Uh, and those fees are for a five-year period, too. So, that's that's kind of a monthly fee times 60. So, that that number may look large. Uh, but it's hard to compete with waved fees. Wave fees are obviously your best option there. Um, the rate basis is really a key factor, too, because you can see the last one and First State Bank, they did a bank managed rate, and as consultants, that's our least favorite rate to see because that means it's the whatever rate the bank says it is. So, you don't have a lot of leverage with that. The bank has all the leverage. We don't like that as well. We like it when it's indexed and so TFNB gave you that. It's a text pool rate which is the local government investment pool. It's basically going to track pretty closely to the 90-day T bill. So it's but they don't control it. It's just whatever the market rate is. So we like that. So that's solid there. Uh Cadence also gave you a targeted rate, but just the way they indexed it, it's a little bit lower

than what TFNB is offering. Plus Cadence is charging fees. TFNB is not. Uh so you can kind of see how that all stacked out. So clearly uh TFNB is the best return overall. And one of the questions we have too we always ask when we start the process is how's your experience with TFNB? Are they doing a good job for you guys? And that was the feedback we got from Karen and Destiny's like yeah we're we're happy with TFNB. They're they're attentive. They take care of our needs. They're responsive. So given all of that, there's really not a reason anything you did to move to another bank would end up with a less return, lower return for the city and you're happy with the bank you've got. So this is one of those cases where it's like this is a pretty much an easy decision to make. But we also kind of like to show you and the public so they can see, hey, why why did the city choose GFNB when there are other banks that responded? So so they can see this. Um and so yeah, based on that, we did a comprehensive financial analysis. You saw the high level summary of that again, TFNB has proven themselves. They've been a good banking partner for the city. Um and you know, after kind of sharing the results with the the staff, they said, "Yeah, we we definitely would recommend renewing the depository contract. At the end of the day, that's still your final decision." Um as the consultants, yeah, that that's an easy call for us to make as well. That's that's a pretty clear choice to make. Uh, and there are my name and and Orlando who's my partner on this and happy to answer any questions you may have about the banking contract.

Thank you for the transparency. [Music] Anybody got a question? Certainly. Thank you. All right. See questions. I'll take a motion. I'll make a motion. possible action.

I make a motion to act on resolution services. necessary. I favor.

Any oppos? All right. 15 was moved to consent. 16. We're going to go back and talk about casting the city votes resolution 2025-015- for the sele. Two members for the board of directors. County President Vision 2026. So, let's revisit. Bring that other book back.

This is this is the sheet that shows you how far down the line we are. Um, we get 62 votes uh in the city of Waco. What was that? What we're down so uh We can split those votes among two people or we can give all the votes to one person. Is that correct? Yeah.

Okay. That's our options. So now you can have discussion. Anybody want to start? Anybody have a question? We have you got the people back up there. Yes. So we have Dwayne Moss, Jim Patton, and Jim Smith.

I would like go ahead. I'd like to know first I just have a comment. Jim is already in member of this going along with Charlie's recommendation. I would like split the votes equally between I always feel an incumbent the experience of having him on the board knowing how it operates.

Yeah, I like that. Sounds good to me. Yeah, I agree. 3131 the Okay, discussion. I'll make a motion that we award 31 to Dwayne Lawson 31 Jim Patton item

second all right we're back to we're back to sirens and polls I don't know where to go this discussion I mean, so so here's where we're at and we're going to keep kicking this. We're not leaving the no matter what we do, we're not leaving the two to three million per month, which means we got and I'm not sure where it's at unless it's um so anybody got any input on what are we or where does everybody have stand on chasing the solution that's 3 million or trying to find something about that let's go my initial opinion

yes let's do removal of the existing sirens within house city city city resources is that okay with you can you handle do you think you guys can handle without too many issues or hazard mitigation problems well yeah I mean we'd have to outsource the electrical end of it. But yeah, I I would concur with exactly what you just said, but I also want to ask Brian a question. Brian, do you mind? Um, a local city recently had a couple of of these sirens installed. Discuss that project finances.

Uh, absolutely. Uh, mayor, council, thank you. Um, again, my name is Ryan Durker and I serve as the emergency management coordinator for the Mlennon County Office of Emergency Management. Um, I don't know if Elmont has made the move to it quite yet, but we were asked by the city of Elmont to price out uh two sirens uh to be placed on our system that the city of Waco runs. Uh that system is uh through a company called American Signal. And uh currently the system is about 20 years old, a little bit more now, and consists of the city of Waco, Beverly Hills, Belme, Lacy Lake View. Uh those were the the original ones that set up back then. Uh the quote we received for setting up two omniirectional sirens in um in Elmont came to just under $68,000.

That's on the existing old standard. Um no I think there this is minus uh hold on a second installer. There is a note here. Let me find it. I apologize. So while you're waiting,

obviously what we're looking for is the system cost. I think it's a great plan that we we join that way system and you know of course we need hard numbers to make a decision but I I would say we again remove the existing polls that are not function to give um

you know perception that that they're working so we don't want to be offering a service or thinking we're offering a service I think we still need to multi do multi-layer so the ever grid system or whatever system that replace. Um I think that's the other layer. At a minimum, I believe we join way with replacing the two sirens because that's what our city has expected. Um it's what they see now. That's what they known to have. Um, I think of, you know, curing off during very bad night

that our citizens will expect some level of indication. Even though I do believe the technology, I believe you got all you need on your phone right now. This weather channel will beat you to death alerts, let you know it's coming. But there are people who aren't techsavvy. there are people who are old school and expect that same level. So at a minimum I think we we look into replacing them with what Ron has talked about now. It'll save a lot more money than what we presented. But I do believe we need to look at what it would it cost to bring all of this to every citizen that how do we encompass the entire city with this

and what does that look like and look for it may be an item that you know we have to go out and get citizens put on. Is this something you want us to spend your money on? So did you find Yes, sir. Maria, what you find? Um the quote we received did not include the cost of the pole or the electrical work. Okay. So that answers that question. My question would be

so just you know doing a quick math but 600,000 17 plus so a lot more manageable. The question is how if if for a city like us that doesn't just have $600,000 laying around, is this something that can be added on year at a time year at a time or is it is it significantly less to do all of that on at the same time? Is there a certain number that your the system that Waco has can handle? Does it get to a certain point where okay, we can't add any more sirens from any more cities? Yes. C.

So I I as far as as far as cost, I don't know. That's something we always have to work out with the vendor ahead of time. Now, full transparency, the city of Waco and Mlennon County, we split the emergency management budget. We do have um under emergency management, the city of Waco's radio operations department is a is a part of that and we have a radio operations budget specifically for that. Um so we are budgeted uh when it comes to Waco in that regard. Um as to the second question, I apologize. What was the um so are there Is the system capped? No, it is. It is not. Um, it can it can handle all the all the sirens you put on.

As far as I know, I know that we I mean Dallas, for example, I don't think they're an American signal system, but Dallas has hundreds of sirens. And I've I wouldn't think that to be a problem. I think the steps are if this council decides that's a direction that you wish to go, I think the next step is that representatives from Robinson along with our radio operations people and American Signal kind of have a scoping meeting to determine, you know, who's on first and how big is big and how bad is bad. Um, my gut feeling says that we should be able to do that, but um I don't want to I don't know the technical pieces of that quite yet.

Based on what you said earlier about the expect Mayor those city manager should be correct on the financial state. I think we're going to have to look at numbers. So, I guess one question I would have is a 20-year system or the new who was it?

American Signal. No, who's the city that's just adding to Is that newer technology or is that 20-y old technology? Uh, these are all these are all new newer technologies. The siren itself is not all that complicated. It's essentially just an air. Yeah. Um, so that's that's not that

receivers. What this does though, um, and components get upgraded and things like that. So, as far as as far as I can tell, this is the, uh, this is the newest stuff. Uh, there's two different ways to power these sirens. Uh, traditionally speaking, the city of Waco has powered theirs uh, through direct DC. Uh, however, as we replace sirens, we've been be getting a solar conversion. Uh, that way, if we lose power, the sirens will still work. Uh, so that that is also an option. the uh I think the benefit uh to us combining systems is I think what happens in jurisdictions through nobody's vault is uh maintenance goes out of sight out of mind. You forget about them and we're not really sure who's supposed to be upkeeping them. And so again so I don't misrepresent myself even joining the city of Waco system for example Belme sirens. Uh it is still the expectation that Belme fund and maintain their own sirens they will have to do that. However uh we would be able to tell you if there's a problem when there's a problem. uh we have an autoactivate feature that a lot of other companies would if you if you went your own direction as well. But uh what we can commit to is that a member of either myself or a member of my staff on severe weather nights, we're always watching, especially if we are under tornado watch, we are physically present in the EOC. We keep an uh we keep an eye on that very very closely. It's important to us. Uh but we do have some uh some ways to expand coverage in our system and this would be one of those. Yes, sir.

Quick question. When you guys are the EOC and you're going to sound alarm in the Waco system, you have the ability to do it to certain portions of the city, not the entire system as a whole. Right. You can locate it's going to cross the northern portion of Waco. So we join that we would have some of that. So went off we wouldn't go off. Yes sir. That is it would only be the path of that is going to appear as if it's going to cross our our area.

That is correct. And I can I can tell you exactly how we know that. So last year we conducted a major upgrade of the components of our system, the computer parts of the program. And that added an autoactivate feature. And for the first time in my five years in this office, we missed a tornado warning. It dropped out of nowhere. Um very very rarely do you get unwared storms, but the polygon did hit something in the far north Waco and that siren kicked within a couple of minutes. So we have tested that the uh system does work. And so we had discussion about this at our last last meeting last time we had this discussion. One of the things is you know who makes the call to you know currently with our our two sirens who makes that decision. um should we or shouldn't we uh those type decisions in this system there is staffing available to make that determination that is dedicated to that

sounds like we're not take a little pressure off our staff that that is correct so I ideally if the system was just another one of if your two sirens or however many sirens um were a part of our system uh conceptually how it would work is when the National Weather Service drops that polygon of that warned storm uh that tornado warning. Uh if a siren is within that polygon, it kicks automatically requiring no action from anybody. My my last question, what is your radius for siren? Uh the the two mile is relatively the standard. So much better than we have now. We've we've come a long way. We've come a long way.

I think it's just prudent to pursue replacing at minimum two looking at what the what that look like that cost and pursue that. I don't I don't think that when I think of government, local, state, federal, I think that people expect in these type situations that we're there for them and that we're there to provide some level of protection. Yes, we still got funding and money is tight, it's not there, but but I think public perception one is that we're at least doing what we've always done. We're maintaining that at a minimum, but then also looking into how do we expand the system and if it just turns out that we can't find funded, there's no grants available, what not, I think we took a good step towards maybe qualifying for for that. That's one of the advantages of the the county's mitigation plan being approved tonight. Maybe going back to cog and looking at what they have available because I I don't see tornado warnings on looking at those project. I do see radio communications. So those score high radio is something that same vein. We we've tried No, we haven't tried the last few years. We've tried at least three times since I've been here. They basically told us that they're just not I know the state's going to change that attitude how they but it may go be centralized to those and it just may not be something available. But I think it's worth doing if we're going to talk about taking out a warning system. I think it's worth at least have the public conversation to the point where we say we can't afford it. We don't have that.

I think we need to get with American Signal. They can they can they have a software they can fill in a map and they can determine covering and get coverage. I don't mean to put more work on staff by asking that request, but I think it's also think that system would also eliminate some of the burden on staff when to activate than all that city at 9:00 turn.

We're already have four times what we have now. So, we're bettering the system. that money. Can I ask you about how high does that need to be to effectively get the two mile? I think that I think the poles are either 40 or 50 feet if memory serves correctly. So could you evaluate our current poll to see if there's a possibility and I don't know if we could use them or not. If it's not correct you're not able to use too close together I think we'll get with American

what the options are we need to let them cover the only I think in the inter while we're still working and evaluating our options we continue to market and educate the citizens on their status what we're doing and the alternative emergency warning systems that are out there you know but just I know we said it just I just question pushing everyone over here to ever and then y'all are for sureing bridge So,

what's that going to look like for the constituents that have signed up in place transfer? 100%. Um, but that's probably going to require them downloading the app. Probably. Yes. But, um, again, I I don't want to um I don't want to speculate because I don't have information, but it seems that it would be ridiculous for them to not allow us to transfer the data of the people who are already in the system, but that's still to be worked out. It would just get them. I guess I'm just fearful. Ever bridge and then today, tomorrow, and the next week. That's our system. So if um sooner transition

allegedly was decided what committee was the emergency preparedness advisory committee, EPAC had it was last week. Like you said, we use a lot. as soon as we can get the information share that with our residents, letting them know, you know, we're encouraging to use this system. But we've been informed transition for transparency purposes.

I think Ryan said during our workshop, probably the most important piece was it's layers and and again, I'm going to say it's even more so there are other apps you can get that aren't part of the emergency management program. you know, there are other layers to this that that help. Um, and you know, I have three different weather apps. And so, it's important to me what I do. So, it's not just one piece. It's not a siren, it's not it's not an app or or bridge. It's those two plus whatever elsebody else. I think I'm going to say one thing.

When I was in disaster preparedness in the air force in the 60s, we didn't have the facilities or the opportunity to cross talk like they do now. It was strictly landline or nothing. If something happened 10 miles down the road, you never knew it. You people are just so lucky to have what we had. I mean to tell you, you just cannot believe how different it was. And something I like to bring up that Greg brought up. Talk about the elderly. I'm elderly, but I'm I'm kind of high tech, right? But these citizens that we have that don't have access to to technology, so to speak. So you the idea of possibly helping those people get the little thing that sits by your bedside or what have you. So what knowledge do you have with that? And how to help our our senior citizens to have a better warning system if they don't have the technology. I have for people that turn their phones off for various reasons and not to sleep and that that are you referring to weather radios.

Okay. Yeah. Uh old technology still works. You know, it doesn't uh so just because it's old doesn't mean we have to go away from it. Uh those can be found. Gosh, all sorts of people make them. We we buy cashes off Amazon every once in a while to pass out uh to folks. Um a lot of good companies make those. They're uh they're old, but they work. These have other y'all actually pass some I mean is that Yes, sir. Is that something that y'all do for the that part of the population to the extent that we can? Yes, sir. Because you said hang on. You said did y'all were just discussing it. I hadn't come up with the number yet. You said I think I think we looked pricing around 50 bucks radio. That's about right.

And you could help us possibly get these at a discount. Don't know about that. Yeah, we're we're not we're not different from y'all in that regard. I got them bucks all the way back. Very very expens very expensive ones will even uh come with equipment that will knock on the beds of the hearing impaired. So did you have something? Go ahead.

So the way I mean because it was it was brought up by a couple of a couple of folks and I wanted to say again a little bit more about the layer cake. From my perspective, it is my duty to warn every single resident of Mlin County that there's danger. The easiest way I can do that is via um is via Everbridge for the time being. Um whether from my perspective, I don't mind sending you multiple alerts. Matter of fact, I I will and that would be fine. Whether it is the siren or the weather radio or the news media or whatever or the various apps on your phones, the important thing is that you are alerted. Uh the failure in the um in the Hill Country was the folks weren't alerted timely. The information was there. It didn't get to them and um we're committed to doing whatever we can to make sure that doesn't happen here.

All right. Um, so there's no motion of anything here. It's a we want staff executive follow. We want to pursue pricing to replace those two sirens in the right spots so that we get it's actually going to be better than we had. But that's where we start and we want to that pricing added to your system and if you could give us proposal. Yes, sir.

And then we will continue down the road using this price to think about the other 15 because I guess are the 17 that the 17 circles we had based on two mile radiuses or were they based on less? They were based on a combination of the two that we have that basically cover less than 3/4 of a mile and then the other 15 of the R2 that's not quite you flip back from yeah that that's the R2 and then go to the new photo

for those two miles those two mile rades that's the R4 that's that's significantly Right. No. No. Go back. That's quite large. This one. What are those circles cover? Are they covering one mile? One, one and a half, two mile. Roughly a mile. So we in in all reality, if we're going to go two miles, we can do this again and cut that number in half. Let Ryan do the study for the study.

I think do that through All right. So, we're getting So, we're getting somewhere. So, we could cut that number in half. And so, that's going 17. That's going 17 to nine. Six. So, if we start the two down six. Okay. So, again, we need we're going to need pricing for the two existing to add to your and you'll want to make the decision whether or not you want them to be AC powered or solar powered. that will significantly affect the cost or could it be a combination both? Absolutely.

I was going to say um 15 minutes at the moment for an alert. I don't know specifically. We've never had a we've never had an issue of any sort. Did I get signal question? We'll come back with options. Do these have to be pull mounted? Can they be put on top of buildings?

All of ours are pulling really high over here. Can we adapt? All of those need to be in the pole or attached to the pole is the cabinet with all of the electrical in it, the the radio and all of the the guts of the system. Okay. I'm just, you know, we've got that high building over there on top of it. Woods metal poles. All right. Thank you. Yes, sir. Appreciate that. You

bet. that. Okay, we voted too late. Our last is uh our last is anything you want to put on future agenda. I will say I did tell Greg today that I would like to see the first meeting

starting in January include where we are. So if we start in January, maybe we will have some information on drive all the four samples. So now we're just waiting on props. concrete.

Can you go to photos? They're predicting March completions. So, we'll start the road then on Wednesday. Well, hopefully hopefully We got we got to get it designed because we have to do a sewer line and all that because sewer line work has to be done and so we got to get but we're waiting on the core so they can have an idea how the road will be constructed. I think the first one you ready to start pouring concrete they've already got everything

as far as the approaches with the subgrade and everything. They're working on all that. Got to build it up some. All right. So, just the just the first meeting of this. Sounds great.

Anybody else? I would just like this just in my I keep seeing these residences and businesses that had complaints done as far as SUPs and everything else and they've never corrected the situations. Can we have an update on what can be done? Like we've got that one up near us with a building inside the building that still I think they counter us.

Yeah. I mean, we've got several like storage containers and things that are out there that we addressed these a year and a half ago and now they're still there. It only works as effectively as people are follow Okay. Thank you.

All right. I can't live somewhere else. Can't leave you somewhere else.