City Council - Regular Meeting

Are we all ready?

All right, it is 7.02 p.m. We'll call the City Council regular meeting to order. It's Tuesday, July 21st, 2026. Would everyone please rise for the invocation given by Councilman Curley, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Oh, our gracious heavenly father, once again, we ask that you would be with us tonight. May our decisions be pleasing to you. We ask that you would be with our beautiful citizens of this great city of ours. And Lord, we would ask that those who are ailing today, they're not feeling well, that you would put your healing hand upon them. And we ask all these things in your son's holy name, Jesus, the living Christ. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you very much, everyone. Please call the roll.

Councilmember Baker. Here. Councilmember Curley. Here. Mayor Kleinfeld. Here. Councilmember Shadley. Here. Councilmember Scott. Here.

Approval of the agenda. So move.

Support.

All right. Please call the roll.

Council Member Baker. Yes. Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Curley.

Oh, I'm sorry. I vote yes, but I would like to, with your permission, Mayor, add an item to the agenda, a discussion on the parking situation at the True Value Hardware on Nine Mile Road.

Okay, let's just finish the roll call and then do an amendment motion. Was that it, Kim? I'm sorry.

Yes. Oh, okay. No, sorry, it's not it. Council Member Curley?

I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

Do you approve the motion too?

Yes.

Thank you. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick? Yes.

Okay. Okay, so you want me to make a motion? Motion added. I would move that added discussion item of the true value hardware on Nine Mile Road in regards to the parking situation.

Okay, and I will just I guess consider that II under new business Please call the roll Councilmember Curley.

Yes councilmember Baker. Yes, Mary Kleinfeld. Yes councilmember Shadlick. No councilmember Scott.

Yes Okay And we'll go right into the hearing of the public hearing the public is now open. Would anyone wish to be heard?

Hello, my name is David DeRoney. I'm from DeRoney True Value Hardware on Nine Mile. Good evening, members of the council, city manager. A few weeks back, Darren, the head of the DPW, stopped by the hardware store to fill me in on a proposed change that could be happening to the parking out in front of our store. And currently we have 11 parking places out front, and he said it could be reduced, as this blueprint shows, reduced down to six parking places. The tough thing for us in this situation trying times to keep a retail establishment going. We employ 33 people at this location, at our store. The majority of them reside here in East Point. Amazon is our biggest competition these days, and they are extremely easy and convenient to do business with. For us to lose five parking spaces in front of our store, that's a 45% reduction in that would impact us not only is it losing five spots it's also as Darren described to me and as the blueprint shows we would not it would only be usable parking spaces for vehicles traveling from the east because it would be a curb cut in Right now, we have an approach at each end, and cars can come from the west or come from the east. When Darren and I walked out front and walked along to look at things, I said, well, here's a customer that's parked right out in front here. And Darren said, oh, that's me. He says, I love parking out in front here. And I said, well, there you go. While we were out front, another customer had pulled up, Al, a regular customer, and he gets out with his dog. And we're a dog-friendly store. We let people come in with their pets. And he likes parking there because he doesn't like to park on the side where cars park next to him. He's worried about hoarding in somebody when he's getting his dog out to bring his dog into the hardware store. So again, having those parking spots out in front is huge for us. The East Point police love having a radar officer out in front of our store, which I love that too, on different days they're parked out front there. And they can, again, travel up from one end and out the other way. So to have a curb cut-in for us, again, a 45% reduction, again, That would be detrimental to our business 30 seconds in 1990 the City Council approved and I'm hoping that somebody on the council will make a motion that we still be grandfathered in in 1990 the city We received a letter from West McCallister. This is to my dad saying it's a pleasure for me to advise you that the East Detroit City Council at a regular meeting held on Tuesday June 26, 1990, approve your request to continue to use the right-of-way adjacent to Nine Mile and on Cortland and on Almond. I'm hoping that somebody makes a motion that we, again, being grandfathered in, be allowed to use those spots. I could give you each copies of this letter. You can hand it to Randy at the end. Thank you.

Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard?

Good evening, Mayor, Council. Walter Kubiak, East Point resident. My wife and I, we watch the meeting at home if I can't make it. And last week, I heard Jennifer say something about a median that was going to be placed into Nine Mile between Kelly and I-94. Please. Please. That's been open for the last hundred years. There's no need to change that. People don't like change. Remember that meeting that was over here by the court? Somebody says, let's put something there to protect the people crossing the road. Nothing had ever been there for the past 100 years. So they put that in there. I was just talking to Chief today. Hundreds of cars ran into that. Brilliant idea. Let's be safe. And then they put a light on it. And people still ran into it. If you put a median over there with only one access to either side, you're going to have people driving right over the top of it. And then when the snow flies, how do you clean that? You know, have somebody take a long look at that before they go ahead and do that. That is one of the dumbest things I've heard, except for the three lanes on nine miles. Sorry, Mike. But don't touch that. Leave it flat. Let people use the left-hand lane to make left-hand turns. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else?

Jennifer Nicholas East Point resident couple of things in today's McComb daily there was a notice of public hearing that will be held at the Thursday August 6 planning commission meeting this is regarding adding a proposed amendment to our city ordinances regarding inoperable vehicles. The ordinance amendment would not only affect vehicles that are parked on the street, it would also affect vehicles that are parked in residents' driveways or backyards. This would include vehicles that residents may not be able to afford to repair immediately. The way the amendment is worded, after a total of 30 days, a resident could be fined an initial $200 with penalties escalating to a $400 fine or possibly impounding the vehicle. Again, the public hearing is Thursday, August 6th, 7 p.m. here at City Hall. Everyone's welcome to attend and give three minutes worth of comments. And I was wondering, Mr. Mattis, if it's possible to have the public hearing notice and actually all public hearing notices posted on the city website or the city's Facebook page, maybe somewhere in City Hall so people that don't get the newspaper are aware of it. At the June 16th City Council meeting, Mayor Kleinfeld asked if AEW could provide a design for Phase 3 of Nine Mile Road to be posted in City Hall. On June 24th, Mr. Mattis stated in an email to me that they were working on on posting plans in city hall. As of today, I do not see design plans posted in city hall. At the last city council meeting, Councilman Curley asked if AEW at one of the next meetings could give a short presentation on phase three of Nine Mile since residents and businesses have not had the opportunity to see the design plans. I've spoken to a few of the businesses on nine mile between Kelly and I-94. They have no idea that there are plans for a median in this area. And when I showed them a copy of the design, most of them had concerns about traffic safety as well as accessibility to their businesses. Additionally, throughout all of phase three, to me, it looks like some businesses are going to lose some parking. Mr. Doroney's store is an example of that. This was a problem in phase two. AEW created a design that would have decreased parking for businesses like East Detroit Bakery, and they actually eliminated all parking for Rosita's Hair Braiding, all of which was completely unnecessary. To me, the biggest issue is that plans are being designed without notification to businesses, let alone any input from businesses. And it seems like when businesses do try to give input, it is disregarded. All of City Council has stated that our businesses are vital to our city. Our business owners have stated that ample parking is vital to their business. So wouldn't ensuring that our businesses have the parking they want and need be a top priority to city council and administration? And I'm telling you, if you take five spaces away from Daroni's Hardware, that's just, that's not going to fly with people. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Good evening, Council. John Solera. Mr. Mattis, I hope you're working on moving into the city. I think this council should investigate whether his contract is being... He's fulfilling his contract with this city. Congratulations on... Who is this? Genesis Chevrolet. I saw their... I saw their... their proposal at the planning meeting excellent proposal They're some of the members of the Commission are complaining. They're breaking the rules by letting him do this that the other I think the East rules are Way overbearing just like it is with this gentleman's store. You need to get the heck out of businesses way and let them It's a very as as mr. Girone. He said it's a very tough time for business And a nine-mile I've driven nine-mile quite a few times. It looks terrible. The most terrible thing is there's never any activity on it. All this stuff is tore up, and there's barrels, and where are the workers? I don't know who you contracted to get this done, but we only get their leftover labor? Is that it? We get labor when they want to give it to us? I mean, how long are you going to drag this out? That road is in terrible shape. It's an accident waiting to happen, the whole road. That parking amendment, you just split it in two. You let the police get... you let the police get the cars off the street because that's what needs to be done for EMT for fire and police. And you just strip the second half of it right out. You don't need it. You're, you're, you're overbearing again there. And for that, that's all I got for now.

Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else?

on July 7th at approximately 9.15 PM. A cop stood at my front room window, shining his flashlight into my eyes when I exercised my legal right to not answer the door. I had not broken any laws. There were no exigent circumstances. I pointed towards the street for both cops to leave. The cop continued to move his flashlight in different directions and patterns throughout my front room, scaring the hell out of my rabbit. This is a violation of my Fourth Amendment rights. his actions conducting a warrantless search the other cop paced up and down my driveway the shift supervisor was allegedly not available and the combative PSA refused to tell them to leave even though I told her no laws were broken I was safe inside my home and I wanted them to leave I have a right to tell them to leave and when they remain on my property that further violates my rights Chief Haines you have not responded to my email and Mr. Albright I reject your responses since one issue was inadequately investigated and with your response that proves no investigation was ever conducted. These nuisance tenants next door on Saturday made a frivolous phone call to the East Point police because, how dare I tell them, they had 30 minutes until 11.45 a.m. to clean up the mess they made on my driveway and mowing the lawn. This is after a combative tenant refused to give me a time frame. You know what? There's no law broken there in telling somebody they have to clean up the mess they left on your driveway. Olefsky has a history of unprofessional conduct and his bias towards me. All he had to do was tell them to clean it up. Instead, he chose to harass me and continue to demonstrate his bias against me. There is no reason for this. And I have zero confidence that the East Point Police Department will do a thorough and proper neutral investigation against his badge. hate to think about how these poor rabbits suffered during the wildfire smoke due to your inadequate copied and pasted dog ordinance you've proven time and again it's not that you don't understand proper rabbit care I've talked about it extensively you just prove continuously you don't care you just turn a blind eye to these vulnerable rabbits and could care less about animal neglect thank you very much I'll finish during my second period thank you

Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else? Seeing none, the first hearing of the public is closed and we'll move on to approval of the minutes. Item A, regular meeting minutes from July 7th, 2026.

Mr. Mayor, I move to accept the regular minutes from the regular meeting of July 7th, 2026. Second. All right.

Please call the roll.

Council Member Curley.

Yes.

Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick. Abstain. Council Member Scott. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes. We have no scheduled hearings. We'll move on to unfinished business. Item A, approval of the amendments to the administrative rules and regulations. Would anyone like to make a motion?

Okay, I'll make the motion to approve the amendments to the administrative rules and regulations as presented. I'll support.

I'll support. Does anyone have any questions on that one? All right, please call the roll.

Councilmember Curley?

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Councilmember Scott? Yes. Council Member Baker?

Yes.

Council Member Preshadlik?

Yes. All right, we'll move into the reports from administration. City Manager's Report, Mr. Mattis.

All right, good evening, Mayor and Council. I hope that the rare movie in the park is still happening. I heard some rain earlier. I hope they are having a wicked good time. Good luck. A couple events coming up. We have the summer concert series. We have concerts the next three Thursdays in a row here at City Hall. The flyer is on the table at the back for more information. We also have several projects that are getting going. So you'll see paving happening on Nine Mile in the next couple of weeks. There's reconstruction happening on Lexington. Phlox is underway from Ten Mile to Haas. The Hayes Concrete Repair Program is going. The The splash pad has been an adventure in Eagle and permitting and things like that so we're awaiting some more touch points with Eagle it'll be a couple more weeks until we get that open the basketball courts are almost there on 10 mile Harvey we're waiting on some hardware and some paint. And then we had our first pre-construction meeting for the new court and police building last week. The fence is going to be going up next week. That is a very big project that's getting going. You'll start seeing some dirt moving in the next couple of days even. So we're very excited about that. We have been updating lots of processes and reviewing contracts and things. A special thanks to Assistant City Manager Kim Homan on that. She has been leading the charge on lots of our reviews and processes, which is fantastic. Early voting starts Saturday for the August 4th election. So just a reminder, early voting starts on Saturday the 25th. We'll run through the following Sunday, which will be August 2nd. That's right here in Council Chambers here at City Hall. You can find more information on the table at the back or talk to Deputy Clerk Underwood, who can give you all the details about early voting. We look forward to having you cast your vote on August 4th in that election. Because of the August 4th election, a reminder that our next council meeting is bumped to the following week. So that'll be on August 11th. So council won't meet on the 4th on the first Tuesday like we normally do. It'll be on Tuesday, August 11th at 7 p.m. instead. That is all of my updates for now. Thank you.

Any questions for Mr. Mattis?

I have one quick one. I was going to ask about the Comcast AV issue. Has that been resolved yet?

No. No. As we know, we experience issues with our streaming capacity during meetings especially. Live streaming, we have some limitations that we've identified. Our IT team has found the issues. We're working with our vendor to resolve those, but we've been working very diligently to try to resolve those. The limitations are not with our system as we suspected earlier, but they are with our With upload speeds especially essentially it's upload speeds that are our limiting factor. So we're working to resolve that with our provider Thank you.

I know we've gotten some complaints Thank you Any other questions?

Do you think there's a possibility you're able to post the hearings on the city website for residents that do not get the newspaper or

Sure, all public hearings, all special meetings, all regular meetings are all posted in the normal ways. We follow the state law on that. The Open Meetings Act speaks to how we post and notice those things. The city charter and council bylaws dictate as well. So you'll find all meeting... public hearing notices etc. Our newspaper of record the Macomb daily contains many of those. Everything that' s required to be posted in the newspaper is shared there and shared on the city website and shared on documents on demand is where you' ll find those on the city website the front door has those as well. We try to make that as available as we can there' s several ways we are required to share those notices and we try to meet or exceed those expectations.

Any other questions? All right. We'll move on to the finance director's report.

Mr. Blum. Yes. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I just wanted to report last week the bond closed on the sewer project. And then this morning at 10.13 in the morning, our police court bond closed. So they're both done a lot of signatures and paperwork and back and forth, but we're done with both of them now The one we will draw on as we spend it the other one The police court with the money is deposited into our account today, and it will be earning interest until we spend it I did want to say on that one the bond was sold at a premium So we will be receiving ten million one hundred ninety one thousand and change and only have to pay back ten million So that extra money will go towards the project. And that's all I have.

All right. Any questions for Mr. Blum?

Our city attorney's report, Mr. Albright. Thank you, Mayor, members of council. I only had one topic I was going to talk about tonight, but Ms. Nicholas beat me to it. It was just a reminder that for everyone that the proposed inoperable vehicle ordinance will be the subject of a public hearing in front of the Planning Commission at its first meeting in August I encourage as many people as possible to show up for that meeting and express their concerns and make comments about the proposed ordinance the Planning Commission will then make a decision which will include a recommendation to the City Council that'll be at either the next meeting in August Ryan would that be the second meeting I think just how they're gonna fall now Right. We're scheduled for August 11th and 18th. Okay. So it'll either be August or September meeting of the city council and then the council, of course, will then take into consideration the planning commission's recommendation and ultimately make a decision as to how that ordinance is going to move forward. So that's all I have. Mayor, I'm happy to answer any questions.

Any questions for Mr. Albright?

Thank you.

Thank you. We'll move into new business. Item A, approval of the special land use for Genesis Chevrolet at 21801 Gratiot.

Mr. Mayor, before I read the motion, let me read this statement so the folks know what's happening. Genesis Chevrolet is proposing a new vehicle sales and repair establishment in at their properties on the west side of Gratiot, including the adjacent property with the funeral home and the house on Topher. The site will include 53,500 square foot automotive sales and service center, consolidating the genus Chevrolet operation on one property. Now, so I would move to approve the Proposed special land use for a vehicle sales and vehicle repair establishment with the showroom service center and outdoor inventory parking for Genesis Chevrolet on Parcels 21801, Gratiot, Parcels 02.14, points three one point one five five point zero one seven two one nine oh one Gratiot parcel zero two one four three one one five five and zero two two. 2 1 7 0 5 Gratiot partial number 0 2 1 4 3 1 1 5 5 0 2 1 and 1 5 1 4 5 tofu parcel 0 2 1 4 3 1 1 5 5 0 2 0 Based on the finding of fact and the planners review letter dated July 1st 2006 26 and based upon the Planning Commission's recommendation approval at the duly notified public hearing. Approval is conditioned on the applicant meeting the requirements and conditions for sales approved proposed for the Planning Commission. Could you repeat that motion?

Any questions on that? Please call the roll.

Did we get support, sir? Support, I'm sorry. Thank you. Okay. Council Member Curley? Yes. Council Member Shadlick? Yes. Council Member Baker?

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Scott? Yes.

All right. Item B, approval of resolution number 26-2026, non-motorized repairs paid from major and local street funds.

I move that we approve resolution number 26-2026, directing the non-motorized repairs be paid from major and local streets.

I'm sorry, did you second it? Okay, just let me add this. On July 7th, City Council approved changing the sidewalk repair program to be funded out of the major and local road funds rather than being charged to residents. Let me repeat that because that's really fantastic. Rather than being charged to the residents. Only took 150 years to get that done.

Thank you. No problem. Any comments? Please call the roll.

Council Member Baker. Yes. Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Curley. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick.

Yes. Item C, approval of citywide garage sale.

I move to designate August 14th through 16th, 2026 as citywide garage sale days in the city of East Point.

Support.

All right, any comments? No. Please call the roll.

Councilmember Baker? Yes. Councilmember Shedlick? Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Councilmember Scott? Yes. Councilmember Curley?

Yes. All right, item D, approval of appointments to the beautification commission.

Okay, so me and Mayor Kleinfeld worked diligently to fill the vacancies on the Beautification Commission. There we go. We were having a tough time meeting quorum, so we actually have three new candidates we're interested in appointing tonight. So the motion is to appoint the following residents to the Beautification Commission. Angelina Alloy, and her term is due to expire October 15, 2027. I was going to do one at a time because the dates are different.

Is there support? Support. All right. Please call the roll.

Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick. Yes. Council Member Curley. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld. Yes.

Motion to appoint the following residents to Beautification Commission. Janelle Holton for a term to expire on October 15, 2028. Support.

Please call the roll.

Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Shadlick. Yes. Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Curley.

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Motion to appoint the following residents of the Beautification Commission. Vicki Coleman with the term to expire on October 15, 2028.

Support. All right. Please call the roll.

Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Shadlick. Yes. Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Curley.

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes. All right, and we'll move on to the added item E discussion on parking at true value. Councilman Curley, did you want to start us off?

I'll start us off, yeah. Probably the city manager would answer the question. I've got to have directed questions to him. First of all simplest question on my list is why are we even considering? Reducing the amount of parking spaces there Mr. Mattis if you have a response sure the

The 11 spots that are there currently are not of the same size and specs that MDOT requires on a road where the traffic travels as fast as it does. So given the space limitations, the two roads that enter Nine Mile there, six is the number of spots that fit the space and character of the road.

So you said they're too small. Is that what you're saying, they're too small? That's one factor, yeah. I mean, that's what the state said, or whoever. Yeah. Could they not, the owner of the property, could they not just go out there and increase the size of it? I mean, if it needs to be two feet, just move the yellow line up two feet?

The owners of the property are the city of East Point. It is the public right-of-way. Oh, could the city do that? Could they? the city owns the right-of-way and can determine how to use it as the city sees fit.

One of the statements I've gotten from you and from a couple other people from the administration is that it's not a safe situation.

As it stands, it is not. Pardon me? As it stands, it is not. why is that because there are two entrances as Dave said earlier traffic enters from eastbound and westbound so you end up with cars facing each other the only way to exit because of this limited space it's a jump the curb so the letter the letter that

Paul was talking about was written in 1990 by one of our former city managers, Wes McAllister, when he said that all the parking would be taken, the Roney could use those parking. So I'm saying, so that was 2019 and this is 2000. So that's 36 years ago. And now we saying it was not safe. So what happened in the last 36 years? Uh, people just didn't care when I said the people, the administration didn't care or they didn't, that wasn't a priority. But now 36 years later, they're concerned that people can't park safely.

That's part of it. Uh, vehicles are bigger and that requirements are different. Um, the, the existing conditions are changing. With the project on Nine Mile, the conditions are changing. And just like with when your garage burns down, at the time of a change like that, it is the time to make a change to the built infrastructure that exists. So this is the first time we've done a project of this magnitude on that stretch, and it's time to make that change, to make it safer for the next 36 years.

Yeah, it was already mentioned that I had asked the administration a couple times if AEW would come and give us a presentation of their plans, what they were going to do. And of course, obviously that hasn't happened.

It didn't happen in the last two weeks. We've had a couple things. We've pulled AEW in several directions in the last two weeks. But it will happen in time. It was too quick of a turnaround for tonight.

Little after tonight, I'm not sure you're gonna, we're gonna need it. But, so when I talked to you, I had said that, concerned about taking, parking away from Daroni. And I referred to the letter that was written by, Wes McAllister and Houston, and you mentioned that, when we approved the A&W's presentation of what they were gonna do, and your comment was, well, you already voted to take the parking away. When we voted for the project, evidently within the verbiage of that was the taking away of the parking from them, is that correct?

The plans that were approved by council in October of 25, which predates my time with the city, are the same ones that were approved by MDOT and are being implemented as we speak. And just if we're going to talk about the letter, if I may. Yes. The letter continues with the parking configuration, particularly on Nine Mile, must not be altered without specific approval of the city, which I'm not an attorney or the city's attorney, but I read that as the city council may change that. They may approve that change, and it's my understanding that that did happen, which is why the project is proceeding as it is.

Well, yeah, you're right. The city council is the only one that could change that. It's not the administration. Do you agree with that?

I do, and council did before my council did in October.

So this, what do I want to say? How do I want to say this? So eliminating the parking was kind of, Camouflaged and the entire proposal from a aw I disagree with that. Well, you can that's all right Was there a specific paragraph that said also City Council will eliminate parking at the establishment may interject

I just wanted to Sort of I guess get the temperature of council if you're seeking something for a direction from council I would be happy to support a motion to direct AEW to Try to max redraw those plans and maximize parking in that location Imagine that's where we explain your explain the motion again say it again direct AEW to Redraw the plans for parking at that location to maximize it Maximized by MDOT standards Well, I mean, if they come back and say it's impossible, that's one thing, but I think we could still direct them to do that.

Well, Mr. Mayor, that was absolutely my intent when I got through answering the questions. I'm sorry. Yeah, right. Well, you're right, right. We voted on that. And within that was some type of a verbiage that we the city of council agrees to eliminate the parking. But I haven't heard any. I don't remember that. But I voted for it. but I don't remember that being in there. And I've got to tell you, I'm a little bit, no, I'm not a little, I'm a lot disappointed that AEW, this is an important project. And you said they got other things they were doing and you had them running around. Well, they probably were running around from eight to six, eight to seven. So they weren't running around at seven o'clock when our council meeting starts and they could have been here. They could have been here.

The request for a presentation was heard. It wasn't heard that it had to happen tonight. There will be a presentation. Ryan Kern and I have discussed it quite a bit that the before and after, the entire lifespan of this nine-mile project, which has improved the road from city limit to city limit and is a huge improvement across the entire stretch of it. We it will be discussed in the near future that the motion didn't or even discussion item I don't believe it was moved did not come with the presentation was set for tonight So it's I'm sorry if I misunderstood that no no no apologies necessary Sure, so did you ask a AEW?

When would they be available to do the presentation? I just don't see how you can ask somebody to come out and they don't give you like a window when they can present and

I am not sure off the top of my head. I talked to Ryan Kern more than I talked to Chief Haynes, I think. I talked to Kern six times a day. No offense, Chief.

Okay.

I don't know that we discussed a specific date. We talked about the nature of a presentation and what needs to happen. We didn't identify tonight as the time that it needed to happen.

Okay. And so do you think you can reach out and get an official date for them to come out and present, whether it be August 11th? Possibly which gives them a lot of time.

Sure. Okay. I just had one quick question You may have mentioned it Ryan I when you were discussing earlier If they come on doing presentation, it sounds like you said that there was time before any parking went away or whatever is that am I understanding that correctly or I thought they would I thought you were alluding to that there will be time for us to have a present presentation by a W before Mr. Doron he's Parking got impacted is did I misunderstand that or?

Potentially I know yes, I don't have Yeah, the built environment is the built environment. It does change over time It may come at expense to the city and it may be great But we can we can change whatever we want at any time council has that discretion to make that choice if you want to say Make everything concrete you can do that. So that's really up to council, but it My question was just

That way, if there is time, maybe it could put some concerns at ease a little bit. That was the nature behind my question, is if potentially we had time to... hear from AEW before, so we can make a more, well, at least for me, make a more informed decision. So that was the only thing behind my question.

No, and it's completely my fault. I told Kearney he did not need to come tonight because there's nothing on the agenda for him. In the course of our discussion of a presentation, I said tonight wasn't. It wasn't necessary for him to come. To characterize his working hours as not in the evenings is not fair. Kern works circles all over the city on our behalf. So I think we should be nothing but grateful for his efforts. The man works 20 hour days for us.

Okay, I'm gonna finish my presentation, but I don't mind people coming in on it. Why can't we... Request that did our next council meeting will be what the 11th?

Yep, I heard a recommendation from councilmember Scott that August 11 there be a presentation from AEW with all the bells and whistles Let's let's let's make an emotion Mr. Mayor, let's make an emotion so it's on the table

Sure, you can do that. Do you want to make the motion that they are going to be required to be here on August 11th?

Okay, motion to require AEW to come August 11th to present the plans for the Nine Mile Road Phase 3. Okay.

Okay. Any other comments on that? Please call the roll.

Council Member Scott? Yes. Council Member Curley?

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick? No. Council Member Baker?

Yes.

All right. Go ahead. I'm almost done. You were suggesting a motion about directing AEW to... not take away any parking. I want to try to make it as simple as understanding what you're talking about.

I mean, I use the language maximize parking because I don't know what the, I know that the MDOT standards have changed. I know that's one of the issues we've been running into, but I don't know the details of that. So that's why I had suggested that language. Well, I just want to make sure that

parking is not going to be eliminated that's what I'm concerned about so do we you understand his motion you know what he's looking at and I didn't hear emotion well do you want to wait until they present to us or do you want to make them give direction now I guess Well, I'm happy that you want to make a motion. Let's make the motion, get a second, and see if we get at least three people to agree to it.

Okay, I'm going to make...

The people here, I don't want anybody to go home not knowing what we're going to do. I think we need to be very explicit about it.

I will make a motion that on to direct AEW by August 11th, I'm going to add to it though, by August 11th to provide council with a list of spaces that will be eliminated by the new plan in phase three and direct AEW to I guess explore alternative design for in front of True Value to maximize parking.

A second. Can you read it back?

Yes, a motion to direct AEW by August 11 to provide counsel with a list of parking spaces that will be eliminated in phase 3. Oh. And to direct AEW for the area in front of True Value attempt to design that to maximize parking.

So your motion is totally different than what you talked about three minutes ago. You're talking about what space would be eliminated? The whole conversation, at least on my part, is nothing would be eliminated. They may have to work with the state to modify the spaces, but you're asking AEW to pick three spaces that would be eliminated. Why would your motion say that?

No, so I kept the part where you know the the idea that I want them to design Redesign it and keep as many parking spaces as possible I just added on to that that I want to know in phase three in total Where are we losing spaces because I think we're in a situation right now where we have one business owner coming to us and telling us you know, I'm aware that I'm losing spaces. I want council to have a list and just be able to be aware of everywhere in phase three, where are we looking at reduction in parking? So I just tack that on.

So would you be in favor of if, if a Debbie came back and say, we're going to eliminate three spaces in the middle of a, uh, lot along?

I mean, I'm not taking a specific position. I don't know what spaces are all being eliminated. I want that information broken down for us.

You're shaking your head yes, you understand it.

Yep, I understood and I think there was even support for it, right?

Yes.

You what? Yes. What did you just say?

The motion was made and there was support. Who supported it? I did. I understood his motion.

Okay, I have I have a quick question and it would be directed to city manager Mattis with respect to the plans currently the MDOT approves those parking spaces in that area and they're the ones who have dictated or stated that X number of spots are

It's my understanding that their their standards are what we're drawn to those we draw to those specs Based on their requirements for how fast card the traffic travels you the space has to be so far off the driveline and all that good stuff That's my understanding current can speak to it better than I can when he presents a couple of weeks.

Thank you

Okay. Any other comments?

So you want to, if I could ask you a question. So you understand that he's not advocating approval of eliminating anything. He's just advocating what the state might do.

work with a aw he wants a list of proposed eliminated parking spaces so that therefore that way is not just for mr. Daroni but everywhere within phase three so it's kind of a it's getting ahead of it so that way if there are more spaces and there are other things that we can address or need to address we can do so we can get that information all at one time instead of just in different bits and pieces

Well, I think one of the citizens that came up, I think we are going to be surprised that there are other establishments whose parking spaces are going to be eliminated. We don't have a clue. I've never seen the damn thing. I couldn't understand all those figures anyway. But there are probably several. Does anybody here on the table know of anybody? Do you know of anybody else that's going to have loser parking?

Not off the top of my head. There's a Few different access points and driveways and things.

I don't know the plans chapter and verse Chapter and verse, okay All right I'm gonna vote yes, but I wanna make damn sure that they don't come back and say they're gonna eliminate space number A, C, and B just because they don't think it's safe. That's not gonna work. But if they're gonna work with the state in modifying the spaces, that's something that they have to do.

All right, any other comments? Please call the roll.

Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick. No. Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Curley.

Yes.

All right. Moving on to payrolls and bills. I move that we pay the bills in the amount of $3,502,728.79. Support. All right. Any. I have questions. Go ahead.

One of the questions is with respect to, I believe it was the dueling pianos line item, due to the weather. It was rescheduled and rescheduled twice, but I noticed it was in the payment of the bills. Would that be paid now, or is that an advance in anticipation of the rescheduling?

It was paid for the one that was scheduled, and then it'll cover the one, the rescheduled one, for, what, two Thursdays from now?

Okay.

So they're paid for, we're done with them, but, yeah. We had the check cut the day they were supposed to be there, and then they weren't.

Kind of figured that much. I just want a clarification in case anyone was questioning like, you know, I knew I knew it was rescheduled and then the other quick question I have is um, I think it's my glasses here my number one for It's my dog watch the dog waste bags. We're spending one thousand five hundred and seventeen dollars and eighty five cents and essentially for poop bags for the dog park. Is that right?

They buy them in bulk and they go through them, but yeah, we buy them in bulk. That's why it's such a large purchase.

But it's like not for a monthly expense.

It's probably two to three grand a year though.

Okay.

Yeah. I think I'm done.

Any other questions? Please call the roll.

Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Chadlick.

Yes.

Council Member Curley. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes. All right. Second hearing of the public is now open. Would anyone wish to be heard?

Hello, David Duroni from Duroni Hardware. As Harvey pointed out, 36 years we've been using that parking. We haven't had an incident out front. We haven't had a crash. We haven't had a fatality out in front of our store. Prior to us, Morley Candy used that parking for decades, the way it was. We were grandfathered in because at the time, The city had told us, for the square footage that we have, we have to have X number of parking spots. Ryan, when we last spoke, you were going to check and see what the building department had for parameters on that, and I didn't hear back from you, but we had to have every possible parking spot. Now, Morley Candy moved out. Our sales floor is actually larger than when Morley Candy was there. We need all our parking spots. There is room, Ryan, out front. Cars, yes, can pull in from east-west. They can park head-to-head. But there's a passing lane. And our parking spots aren't out on the road. So as far as them having to comply with DOT or MDOT regulations, I can see that, yes, if there's a curb cut in, those spots would have to be whatever length. Because you're on the street. When cars pull up now, they're off of nine miles. So they pull in. They don't have to zip in and out. They can... They can pull up, take their time to park, so we have 11 spots out in front there. You said cars are bigger nowadays, which I disagree with that because one of our guys drives a Mini Cooper, and I see these little smart cars running around town and people with their Spyder motorcycles. There's a fair amount of customers that drive those, and they like parking those out in front. Those don't take up much space at all, so I don't. I don't see that vehicles on the whole are bigger. Back 36 years ago, when you had a – you could have a – I owned one at one time. It was my auto shop project. But I had a Thunderbird that was a two-door car. It was longer than my – than a Suburban that I once had. So you had cars that were just boats on wheels. And cars are smaller now. Uh, but again, I'm hoping that the council will at some point make a motion that we'd be allowed to grandfather in our parking the way it's been. There's been precedence set with East Detroit bakery being allowed to utilize parking across the street from each Detroit bakery. You got Frank Fozzie. He was allowed to get, you know, on street parking, which deviated from the plan. Um, I wish early on that this plan that thankfully Jennifer was able to finally get would have been AEW would have told us or come to businesses and there would have been some communication ahead of time to say, this is what could happen. You have 30 seconds instead of coming kind of late in the game. I'm glad that Darren stopped in to tell me to let me know. And he, Darren said, don't shoot the messenger, you know, but this is a proposal that could potentially affect you guys. So I hopefully, uh, You do appreciate that we're here, and we stay in the city, and we keep our parking. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Walter Kubiak, East Point resident. I live close enough to him to almost throw stones at. I've used that drive. You come in from the west and you leave by the east. Nobody has ever driven in the other entrance. Never. I've been there 56 years. Leave the man alone. He's one of the best businesses in the area. Now, this irritates me. For 100 years, there was no median between Kelly and the freeway. Why now? You're keeping people from using the businesses on either side because there's only one access from Nine Mile to the other side. People don't like change. Okay, you're going to get people driving over at the top of that. I want to see how tall it is. And again, like I said before, is that going to present a problem when it snows? How are you going to clean the street? There's no reason on God's green earth that there has to be a median there. The last hundred years, there was never a median. So why now? Again, you have a problem that doesn't need to be fixed. There's nothing there. Just leave it alone and people can make left-hand turns from either side and the business will be happy. Jennifer went there, businesses are really angry that you're shutting off Nine Mile to them. Why do we do things that are stupid? This is what I don't understand. I want the engineers here who made that decision. I got a lot of questions for them. You know, I want our city to be the best. And what I'm seeing here, it's not. So let's have somebody take another look at that, a long one. And if it has to be, bring those guys here. I want to talk to them. You have 30 seconds. I want to know all the material that they have that says there has to be a median there. Because I don't think they got any. It's just like that little median that they put over there by the court. That was unnecessary. Cars kept running into it. So let's not get stupid and let's fix that. That needs to be changed. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Larry, it was East Point Residence. Wow. Again, where do we start? It's just more of it. I guess, first of all, I'd like to commend Mayor Kleinfeld for the fixing of the concrete. That was a great political move that you've done. Don't know if it'd be enough to save you, especially with your city manager, Ryan Mathis, for the next election or not. Also, I switch cable providers in order to be able to go straight to Comcast and to see and view the meetings, council meetings and all the meetings that they have throughout the week and the month. And now, for whatever reason, that's not even being aired anymore on the communication on the community channels through Comcast. It may be on YouTube, but YouTube been jacked up for over a year. And we keep getting the same old smoke in our face about we looking into it, we checking it, we looking at the IT guy to whoever else and all this and what have you. But I also look at around at other cities within the perimeter and what have you in metropolitan area. Everybody else's is working. Everybody's. Madison Heights, yours is working. You can go to St. Clair's Shoals. Theirs is working. Everybody wants. Everybody's working. Why come in? I always have to be East Point. I'm at the point and everything. I don't know if we need to start looking at everything. If this city manager is even qualified to even be here anymore. We know he wasn't the first choice. So we need to maybe start even looking and directing, observing in that direction as well. There's a lot of issues here and it only happened just kind of recently and everything. There are some real crazy stuff that's going on. Thank you.

Thank you. Anyone else wish to hear?

John Solera Council. You know, we've been hearing about parking since this Nine Mile Road redo has been going on. It's one of the reasons we got rid of that bozo where Ms. Scott is sitting now. And I also went to the, at the last planning commission meeting, they said East Point has some 700 commercial properties that are empty. and they hassled that guy over at Genesis Chevrolet. He's got 90 employees, he's bringing in 40 more. This gentleman has 30 employees. Are you trying to turn the city into a jobless ghetto? We've got to support our businesses. I don't care what Democrats and rules and regulations of MDOT. You're right, Mr. I'm sorry, Curly. You need to get with that state and you need to grab them by the collar and change their stuff. They're a lazy outfit. They don't know what the world they're doing. I also, thanks for reminding me, Mr. Mattis. that I disagree totally with using rare for pride stuff. It's detrimental to children and it should not be done. And Larry's right. Your concrete program might not save you we got rid of the other guy. We're gonna You've got to be looked over The fireworks display in East Point by all these people It was way over the top this council should consider seriously banning fireworks there was there were so many fireworks I don't know where they come from I think they buy them in bulk out of state they don't pay Michigan tax on them and somebody is storing a lot of incendiaries in their garages maybe yes our fire chief is that good for the city I don't know I doubt it somebody stored a lot of fireworks because they were shooting them off for two weeks way over the top I'll also be watching for East Point's hiring and firing policy because I do not agree and I do not think... You have 30 seconds. I know you're going to cut me off. I do not think we know everything that we should know about these two young ladies losing their jobs and we'll be watching.

Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else?

Jennifer Nicholas, East Point resident. Thank you, Mayor Kleinfeld, for making a motion to review the parking and get AEW in here to actually explain it. Yeah, you guys, you know, back in October, you voted on a three lane plan as opposed to a five lane plan and It was neither plan was ever really presented or discussed or shown to anybody at that time. You know, we had the public forum, the section between Kelly and 94. We were told don't pay attention to that right now. We're not talking about that right now. We're talking about the other part of nine miles. So none of this has ever been presented or explained. And it is concerning because I do think that there are a lot of changes with driveways and parking spaces. And... And I know I've asked for it since last fall. I've asked for it at least once a month to get some clarification from AEW to see what's coming. And this is where we are right now. Again, the same thing. And I would want to know from MDOT, I would want to make really sure that we know what MDOT's criteria is because we kind of went through this before with the other parking. MDOT says this, city ordinance says that, back and forth and back and forth. And you, better be a hundred percent sure that MDOT is providing us with the correct information as far as Mr. Droney's parking and any other parking that's being taken away because I disagree I don't feel that it's a safety issue I think there are ways to work around it for some reason AEW doesn't want to work around it I know MDOT approved this five lane plan but again that Didn't actually come through council in a clear explanation You know that was kind of all done at the same time with the public forum, you know NEPA approved this median Nobody ever talked about a median here and NEPA is going ahead and approving it. So there is Some camouflage, that's a good word. Non-transparency, that's another good word that's happened with this. Councilwoman Peshadlik, I'm not sure what your issue is with Mr. Daroni and his parking. You have fought for other businesses, East Detroit Bakery, the Chichinis, other people with their Rositas. You know, you've been very clear about... our businesses and their parking. And for some reason, it's very clear tonight that I don't know if it's a personal issue, but I would. ask you to maybe put that aside and treat all businesses fairly. We do do this for other businesses. And Council Member Scott, thank you for asking about the public notices. What I'm hearing is that we probably won't see it on the website. What he's talking about is that it's included in the agenda packet two days before the meeting. What I'm asking for is something posted on the webpage ahead of time for people to know that there is a public hearing. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Good evening, Council. Mary Hall Rayford, East Point resident. I was trying so hard to sit there and not say anything, but some things, it just doesn't work that way. And in listening to some of the discussion about needing a presentation, it seems to me that before Council votes on anything, there needs to be a complete presentation or ideas of what is going to happen. because otherwise we end up being bogged down in situations like this. The other thing I wanted to mention is that we constantly complain about not enough residents are getting involved. Well, perhaps the reason for that is because no matter what residents show up to comment on what's going on, most of the time, nothing changes. So I encourage you all to listen carefully to the residents. We may not know as much as you do or much as the engineers, but we know what we want and what we don't want. And I think to put a median at that location is probably not the best idea in the world. And Mr. Daroni, I often come to the store. So, and I don't have a problem getting in and out. So I would hope that we would not discourage businesses by trying to eliminate their need for having ample parking spaces, in order to keep their business thriving. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to hear anyone else?

by the end of business day naming the attorneys who are one going to represent the city in the multiple times you have Violated my first amendment rights and I also want the name of the attorney attorneys who represent East Point Police Department for violating my fourth amendment rights That's it Moving forward, Chief Haynes, I still want an email response from you regarding the names and the badge numbers of those two officers who violated my Fourth Amendment rights on July 7th. I already talked about the dummy who sat there flashing his flashlight through my window. That's a warrantless search and the other cop who continued to pace up and down my driveway I repeatedly pointed to both of them to leave my property They ignored that Your PSA is clearly do not understand what the laws are. They're giving out bad information From this point forward I am not answering the door for any police officer that I have not called. I am not going to respond to some ridiculous knock and talk when I have not broken any laws. There's no exigent circumstances and there is no warrant. Turning to you, Mayor Kleinfeld, you want to run against Judge Galen? Really? You've repeatedly violated my First Amendment rights. You have proven time and again you don't give a damn about the rabbits. No, you are not fit to serve as judge. That's just not going to happen. To set the record straight, there was discussion about Judge Galen being removed from administrative duties. That was not her fault at all. In fact, Jamison Cook wrote an article about that. Judge Barnett had done that to alleviate All of her work so she could focus more on her cases. As we all know, in the Metro Detroit area, our court is the only court, district court, with one judge. And then in that same article, the opponent said that he did not own a house in Fraser, yet he admitted at the last meeting he did. Also, this bit about make sure you see the Constitution. You don't consider Indians as merciless Indian savages. That's uncalled for.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Richard Goodman, East Point resident. I've never said that I don't Oh, no, I'm in Frasier. Never said that. So I don't know where that's coming from. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be heard? Seeing none, the second hearing of the public is closed. We'll move on to mayor and council reports. Councilman Baker.

Got nothing.

Councilman Curley.

Got a few things. Let's start with the really good stuff. I'd like to give credit where credit is due about these residents not going to be charged to repair the my client felt brought that idea to us the rest of us voted yes so you want to give credit to anybody give it credit to the mayor for doing that so thank you mayor for that i uh i'm going to be like a really mean watchdog on AEW. Not the council or the mayor or the administration, but the AEW. They're the ones that put in there that parking should be eliminated. Council tonight pretty much voted not to eliminate any of the parking. So we probably didn't do exactly the way you wanted to, Dave, but the bottom line is still we agreed with that. So I'm going to keep track of that, and by golly, they better show up on the 14th ready to answer questions from our residents and to give a presentation, and we want to make sure that We find out or ask, are there other places where they want to limit parking? You know, maybe I'm getting senile, maybe I'm getting old, but I don't know why the hell you have to eliminate any parking anywhere. Go around it. build around it. And so there's a couple of things that Walter brought up too that I'm gonna check in the median for instance, you know, but it's not too late to change those things. So anyway, thank you for coming out. Thank you folks for watching. I would just add my frustration with us broadcasting this out to the citizens live without it breaking down. I suggested to the city manager, rip the stuff out that's there now and put some new stuff in there if we have to. My daughter watches the council meetings. She lives in Royal Oak. And she says, her dad, I can't watch it. But she watches and makes sure I say the right things. So, but that's good. Thanks for coming out. Thank you for coming to the microphone. We don't have to agree with you of what you've said and you don't have to agree with what we said, but that's still America. We're still America, remember that. Regardless of what's happened in DC, each one of us are Americans and all we have to do is Believe that and fight for that and stand up for that. And we're gonna get through any hardships that may come to us in the next year. So I would say amen to that, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Councilwoman Peshattuck.

I'd like to congratulate Cloverleaf. They won the meatball contest at the Festa Italiano this past weekend. Kudos to them. Again, a local business that we like to support and recognize. Thank you to Angelina, Janelle, and Vicki for volunteering to be on our beautification commission. I know Vicki Coleman regularly cleans 8 Mile Road. She's always very much advocating for cleaning our city and keeping it beautiful. So I think she's going to be wonderful on there. I'm very grateful to Angelina and Janelle also for volunteering and for all our volunteers on our commissions. It's a labor of love and I do appreciate all the work that they do on our commissions. I'd also, in that spirit of thanking, I'd also like to thank Veronica Kleinfeld for obtaining so much funding for our city and She has obtained a lot of the funding for our new court and police department, the building, as well as Nine Mile Roads and funding for Ten Mile Roads. It's kind of a shame that we haven't recognized her, but I would like to thank her for all the hard work and diligence that she does on our behalf, and to let her know that I appreciate her. As for the Daroni parking situation, Here's the thing, Jennifer. It was slapped on the agenda last minute. I don't really have any information. I'm not trying to say that Mr. Daroni is giving us false information, but I don't actually know. I don't have AEW here. I'm kind of at a disadvantage when something's slapped on the agenda and we're asked to make a decision right then and there. I would prefer to have information prior. I would prefer to have you know, AEW here to answer questions about it, that type of thing. So that's why I did what I did. I know people are thinking that it's a personal situation. It truly is not. I do try to support our local businesses. I have said it before and I'll say it again. When the nine mile situation came up, I specifically asked AEW and I know Ryan had answered this question. I said, is it a, rip out and replace and he said no it's not and I said will it affect parking for some of our businesses and the answer was yes it could potentially affect some of those businesses and we've taken them one-on-one but again those businesses were put on the agenda we had information prior to the hearing on the agenda so just want to clarify that don't want to seem like it's a personal issue with Mr. Doroney I'm Grateful to him for having his business here in our communities. Been here for many years, and I am very familiar with the parking situation over there. So just want to clear that air. And then lastly, oh, wanted to mention music in the park this Thursday. So if you'll come here to City Hall, we have music outside. It'd be nice to join us. And lastly, one of the other reasons I'm voting no On the August 11th is that I will be absent. I had made plans to go up north and scheduled it the week of the 11th. So I won't be here. I had previously seen the schedule when I booked a cottage that, you know, it was the fourth, so it was no problem. But with it being changed, I will not be present. So I just wanted to let everybody know.

And that's all I have.

Thank you, Councilwoman Scott.

On Saturday, I had the opportunity to go to the East Point Baby Shower at Gianna's house. I was able to volunteer there, bring a couple packs of diapers and wipes for the newly expecting mothers and the residents at Gianna's house. I thought it was really amazing what Gianna House does for the community and the mothers in the metropolitan area who need assistance with their families. So I just wanted to go ahead and kind of let you guys know that it's wonderful and to have Gianna House in the city of East Point. is a gem that we all should be taking a look at and seeing if we have any time to kind of donate to assist those parents, those newly expecting mothers with some of their needs. Thank you.

thank you thank you everyone for coming out and speaking today and I just wanted to I guess end with saying thank you to administration for putting together a really nice groundbreaking ceremony for the new courthouse you know I hope we can do more things like that when we open up nine mile when we open up the splash pad I think sometimes we focus on getting the project done And we should take a moment to pause and thank everyone who put in all the hard work So thank you to administration for that. I will entertain We have two closed session items. So I think we're gonna do one at a time. So I would entertain A motion to go into closed session for item a collective bargaining agreements pursuant to MCL 15 to 681 C So moved All right, please color all

I'm sorry, I didn't hear support. Support. Oh, thank you, ma'am. Council Member Baker?

Yes.

Council Member Scott? Yes. Council Member Curley?

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Sadlick? Yes.

All right, we'll go into closed session at 8.25. All right. We're back in open session at 8.35 p.m. Do you want me to make a motion? Either way. I'll make a motion to approve the tentative collective bargaining agreement with police patrol.

Support. Decisions made after that. The minutes will reflect the time that the closed session ends. Okay. Thank you. Please call the roll.

Council Member Baker.

Yes.

Council Member Scott. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick. Yes. Council Member Curley.

Yes. All right. We will go back to closed session at 836.