City Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

and welcome to this meeting of the Syracuse Planning Commission. We will begin our public hearings in just a moment. Before we do that, however, we will take care of take action on the minutes of our previous meeting. Those minutes have been distributed in advance to the commission members and it would be appropriate at this time if there's a motion for action on those minutes for such a motion. Is there a motion for our minutes of the last meeting? I make a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting with no corrections.

Thank you. Discussion on the motion? If not, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed say nay. Any abstensions? The minutes from our April 6th meeting are approved. Um, we will I will turn this over in just a moment, but I want to say something about our process in terms of the public hearings this evening. For those who might be unfamiliar with our procedure, as each application is announced by a member of the staff, we ask that the applicant or the representative come to the podium in the center of the room. provide your name and address for the record and then a brief summary of the application involved. Following questions uh from the commission members if there are any. Uh we will then invite members of the public who wish to speak in favor of each application to do that. And then similarly we will invite members of the public who wish to speak in opposition to the application to do that as well. where comments are offered in opposition. We will encourage the uh applicant to address the comments made in opposition and we ask all speakers to hold their comments to three minutes and we'll be timing so that everyone has an opportunity uh to speak if they wish to do that and so that we can get through all of our business this evening. We only have this chamber um for a certain amount of time and we're trying to get through all the business uh that's on the agenda. So, please be considerate. If you've spoken before uh for or against on a given application, you can simply give your name and an address and say um same comments as before, for or against without going into detail. What we're particularly interested in is if there's new information or new comment or um perspective that you want to bring to the forefront. So with that, I will ask Jake if there are any updates to the

agenda for this evening.

Yes, there are a couple. Um first, I'm going to start with two postpone projects uh under new business. The first is a major site plan review at 1474 Salt Springs Road with owner applicant Finn's Management Incorporated from Le Moy College in the R1 zone district. Uh that one is postponed um till the next meeting. And also major site plan review MASPR-2026-10 at 109 Phillips Road uh same owner also through Moy College is also postponed. Uh we expect those to be on the next meeting. Uh in addition uh in in line with what um Commissioner Kulick mentioned, uh the first two projects under old business, we're we're actually going to hold those until the end of the meeting and get through uh the other items that we think will be um a little bit quicker to get through. So uh bear with us. Um and and we believe this is the best timeline to follow this evening. Uh the two projects on South Salina Street will be uh we'll do them in order um at the end of the meeting as the last two items. Uh so with that, the first uh public hearing tonight under old business is the Syracuse Utility Thermal Energy Network project at 751 Van Renolier and North Gettis Street. Uh applicant is uh Niagara Mohawk Power Corp. doing business as National Grid represented by Bon Shenik and King. This is in the MX4 zone district. Good evening. Um my name is Will Hackett. I'm a project manager with National Grid here in Syracuse, 300 Erie Boulevard West. Um and I'm joined by uh our consultant and legal representation tonight. And we're here to talk about

the energy center property. This a component of the utility thermal energy network project in Syracuse. So I know last time we went into some abbreviated background. Do you want me to just pick up where we left off or run through that quickly again? Sure. Okay.

So um the purpose of this property is to facilitate the operation of this thermal energy network and this is necessitated by the utility thermal energy network and jobs act which was passed by New York State in 2022. And what that did is it required the seven largest utilities in the state to develop these pilot projects for thermal energy networks. And the reason behind that was in support of the state's broader uh climate goals and the push for electrification of buildings. And the thought was the utilities are well accustomed to operating thermal energy or I'm sorry energy networks where you have multiple properties connected together in this case by one thermal resource. So in the case of the Syracuse project specifically, what we've proposed to do with the public service commission is to capture waste heat from the treated effluent at the metropolitan wastewater treatment plant owned by Anadoga County on Highwa Boulevard. So the way that works is we build a pump station at that facility. We divert a portion of the treated effluent just before it's discharged to Onadaga Lake and we convey that offsite a couple of blocks to this property which is currently a vacant lot near the corner of Gettis and Van Rancelier streets. At that location we'd have this new construction building which is largely a mechanical space. Um within that are heat exchangers and the heat exchangers allow the waste water to pass through on one side and a closed loop distribution to go on the other side. So you're not intermingling any water. You're just transferring heat across that boundary. The treated waste water then goes back to where it came from at the treatment plant and is reintroduced to the uh outfall just a few feet further down the pipe from where it left. Meanwhile, on the other side of the heat exchanger within this facility, uh you have that closed loop

system and that involves constant circulation of water that is connected to customer buildings and those customer buildings much like how you connect to electric or gas uh that supply water comes into the building and provides the thermal energy to that and it's concentrated using a water source heat pump. So this is similar if you're familiar with geothermal heating and cooling where a residential property might have one or two wells. Something of this scale would require hundreds and hundreds of wells. So we avoid the need to do all of that drilling by basically using a resource that's totally unutilized at the moment. So that's sort of the overview of of what the goal is here. And specific to our application here tonight, this is is sort of the hub of the whole system. This is houses the circulation pumps, the heat exchangers and a large storage tank which serves as a thermal battery. And when you say battery, you think battery moratorum, but it's not a real battery. It's just a large tank that holds water. That volume allows you to concentrate heat and hold it there uh to give the system Yeah, there it is. to give the system um more resiliency. Um so a few kind of technical comments to address some of the written comments from county planning and a couple that came up last time. Um one was involving screening and we do have an updated plan that I don't think made it in here that shows uh uh plantings around the property lines where we meet the developer and I think there was a verbal comment last time about adding some to the street side as well and that's not a problem. There's plenty of room for that. Um, beyond that, the facility takes up most of the site. Uh, it'll have, uh, fencing around the back piece, uh, where those mechanicals are. And, um, other than that, the building itself is fairly straightforward. Uh, Brendan, do you want to add anything about the building specifically

or is that a good overview? No, I think I think he's backing you right up. All right. You did great. Um, so that's that's sort of the, you know, five 5,000 foot view here. So, any questions?

U, let's see. I don't have any new new questions. Did a good job last time. It's it's pretty straightforward. Just as point of information for people that are here in the audience and for people listening online, uh, just to clarify that this is not a battery energy storage system that there currently is a moratorum on in Syracuse. There is no lithium batteries involved in this. And the other point of information just for folks is that we did not take action on this at the 316 meeting because we're waiting for the public service commission approval before we did secure and took action. So that's why we're bringing back to tonight. Thank you. Go ahead. You go ahead.

Well, I have two quick questions. The fencing on the back line is going to live on the lease line essentially. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. Okay. All right. and the propo the um new power for lack of a better word that is going to be generated is it going all back right into the grid or are you going to designate its use for the properties surrounding

geothermal so you're not actually generating power what you're doing is you're you're moving heat around so the piping that conveys that heat is sort of a neighborhood scale and part of what was proposed proposed for this in support of the guidelines given by the commission was um focusing on new construction mainly trying to keep the capital costs lower. So at the time being for the pilot scale the intention is to run piping through that neighborhood that is largely undeveloped right now. Um the idea being it's more efficient to do that now. Um a good note to that though is that their thermal resource is so large currently that once that's up and running you have the ability to expand that in other directions. you're only limited by, you know, where you can send the the heat in a pipe basically.

And that obviously will be um that's a partnership between you, the owner of the parcel, other parcels, and whatever is developed on those parcels. Exactly. So once it's there, you know, any anybody that builds something there would have the ability to say, I want to connect to this the same way you would with gas or electric. Right. Okay. Thank you.

I've got two questions. Uh, one pertains to the county planning board's comments. Excuse me. In addition to the screening, I thought they mentioned something about walkways or pedestrian space. Did you did that comment come across to you? Yeah, I don't remember something about walkways. Um, there's no sidewalk on that side of Gettis. It's on the opposite side,

right? I was I don't have the comment in front of me. I could be mistaken about it, but um my thought was um as further development occurs, you wouldn't want sort of a gap there. That might be something to look at um sooner rather than later. My second question, I don't know if it's more appropriate for you or for staff, but the the means by which the water gets from Metro to your new facility, that's not in place now, is it?

Correct. So, we need to do construction on the county's facility as well. We're repurposing an old pump station with new pumps to be able to do that. Okay. And so, would that become another application down the road? so to speak. Uh or not necessarily. I should probably know this, but I'll I'll ask just for clarity. Um so that's on a county facility that's owned on county land. Is that what you're describing? So we the city wouldn't have jurisdiction over that for uh permitting or for zoning, but anything that would be on uh

but eventually the whatever is carrying the water has to come to the city, right? So, if you can just describe the work once you cross the county property line to this one to get it to this site, what that work would entail. Um, but it seems like it would potentially is it all underground? Yeah. So, once you leave the boundary of the plant, everything is in the street basically until you get to this parcel. So, that would just require normal city rightaway permits to do that work and bring it into the site. Um, if anything changes at all to this, I would I would probably see it as a minor administrative update that we could work with the applicant on. Okay. Okay. If that makes sense.

It does. It does. Thank you. Great use of a vastly underutilized resource currently. Yeah, definitely. Uh, further questions for the applicant? Good. Okay. Thank you all. I think we closed public comment on this last time, but we're simply awaiting the commission's action in order to undertake seeker. Is that right? That's accurate. So, oh, thank you. So, we can now step into that process. And

um yes, just for the Is this okay? Um what uh staff just passed out to the commission members is a a letter just for the record that um we did receive one uh letter in favor for this project. Uh so I will cover seeker for both the special use permit um and the major site plan review. just for the commission members. Um, based on the applicants uh comments, I think we should add a fifth potential uh condition if you wish uh that they agree to install the additional screening uh and landscaping per OCP comment that they're going to do that to the best of their ability or something to that effect. But we'll do seeker first. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet?

Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SECRA? No. No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for our seeker review? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Thank you.

Thank you. Discussion on the seeker motion. If not, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I I those opposed please say nay. Any abstensions? Motion carries and we may now move to our um other actions on the major site plan review. Is there a motion for action on this MASPR 25? Uh should we do the special use permit first? We can do that first certainly. Okay. SP 2536.

Uh right. Good. So, in consideration application and staff analysis and comments from neighbors and discussion during uh this hearing, I make a motion uh finding the application SP-25-36 in compliance with the special use per special use permit criteria in section 5.4 B 7 A throughB and recommend approval by the common council with the following five conditions. One, the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval on a special use permit application. Uh, and that information is presented in your packet. In addition to the general conditions, the applicant shall comply with the following four specific conditions. Uh, two, the applicant shall coordinate with the county department of water environmental protection flu control division for any infrastructure related disturbance on land within the county easement. Uh uh three. The site plan shall follow the uh Department of Water Public's works approval conditions with curbs cuts to match driveway uh dimensions and utilize NIS dot type 3 opening three max wing curves. Any deviation must formally be requested and turning overlays applied for department review through necessary site building permits. Four, any kind any land use other than utility major on this parcel shall require a subdivision to place the individual land uses on separate parcels. And five, approval uh there is an agreement to install additional screening. On which side are we doing the additional screening? to the extent practical federal neighboring parcels

okay etc. I think on this what I would recommend is uh this condition be that they agree to install that to the maximum extent practicable but per the updated site plan um from the applicant which we will make sure is part of this record. Got it. We have that or you want me to restate it? I think we're good. Okay. Thank you. There a second. Oh, second. Sorry. Thank you. Discussion on the motion before us now for the special permit. If there's no discussion, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? So, that is approved for SP236. It now goes on to the council for a final decision. Meanwhile, we will undertake uh action on the major site plan review MASPR 2535.

Sure. In consideration application staff analysis and discussion during this hearing, I find the application in compliance with the major site plan criteria and make a motion to approve application MASPR 25-35 um with the following five conditions. One, the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval of a major site plan application. That material is in your packet and then the other four conditions are the same as mentioned prior for the special use permit. Thank you. A second

discussion on this motion for the major site plan review. If there is no discussion, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? The site plan review for MASPR 2535 is approved. We move to our next application. Uh, jumping ahead to new business. The first item will be a reubdivision R-2026-13 at 2011 and 203 Apple Street, uh, owned by the Greater Syracuse Property Development Corporation in the R2 zone district. Good evening. I'm Terry Luckett, a neighborhood PR planner with Syracuse Land Bank, 1941 South Salena Street. 2011 and 203 Apple Street are um both non-conforming vacant lots. We're going to merge them into one new conforming lot and build a single family home under the um movein New York program, which you've heard a lot from us about. Um it's one of the 52 sites. They're going to be sold to owner occupants making between 50% and 120% of AMI.

Questions for the applicant? See, this is the third one, right? We're going to do under that that 52. I can't remember if this is the third one that you've seen. A lot of the lots are already big enough. Oh, good, good, great. It might be the third resub that you've seen. Yeah. Okay, great. I'm just encouraging to find out how the program is going. That's great. Uh, we just got approval for the contract, so it's going fantastic. Questions?

Okay. Thank you, Terry. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. We have no additional speakers on this application. So, we'll close public comment and turn our attention to our seeker review. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes.

Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate large impact under SECRA? No. No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Thank you both. Discussion on this motion. Seeing no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Secret motion carries for this resubdivision. And we may now take action on the resubdivision itself. So this is R 202613 on Apple Street. Is there a motion for this reubdivision? Make a motion to approve uh application R-26-13 as presented with one condition. That one condition being that the application successfully file the uh the map in the ondog county clerk's office within 62 days of approval of the application.

Thank you. Is there a second? Thank you. Discussion on this motion for the resubdivision. If not, all in favor of this motion for R 202613, please indicate by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? That motion carries. Our next application, please.

Yes, we have three more in a row with the Syracuse Land Bank. Uh, next up is a reubdivision at 558 Valley Drive in the R1 zone district. very similar reubdivision except this one is um 100 foot by 125 foot vacant lot. We're going to split it. We're going to provide access to the creek. I don't know if you can see the creek on your map. Yes. Um that's why one of the lots is uh 10 foot 10 ft wider than the other one. Um we're going to build two single family homes with detached garages.

Thank you. Questions for the applicant? Yeah, I have a question about the 10-foot easement uh for the creek. So, that makes sense for where the primary run of the creek is, but it does bend over the other property. So, I'm just wondering if there's a 10-ft easement from where to where and because it bends over the back of that property there, does that is there an additional easement that needs to happen for that? I honestly You mean you mean it bends on the property on the lefthand side on the west side, right? I don't think so. I think it so it's just 10 ft straight back along the property line, I believe. So, okay.

So, my understanding of how how that's being described and what the the intent is is a 10-ft easement along the entire brook. Is that what you were going to add? Yes. Yeah. So, it's I think it would follow that same contour. It's it's really for access in case all the waterfront. Yeah. Right. So I think it follows that same contour 10 ft along that entire way. So it would 10 feet from the inside border of the So it would follow that. Correct. If that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks.

Additional questions for the applicant. Okay. Thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? Please come forward. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come to the podium. We have no additional speakers. We will close public comment on this application and turn our attention to the seeker review. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes.

Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate large impact under SECRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. There's second. Discussion on the seeker motion. If not, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker motion carries. And we turn our attention now to the resubdivision itself. This is R 202617 on Valley Drive. Is there a motion for action on this?

In consideration application, staff analysis and the discussion during this hearing, I make a motion to prove application R-20 26-17 as presented with two conditions. Uh those conditions are one, the applicant shall successfully file the map of the resubd clerk's office within 62 days of approval, and two, the applicant will establish a 10-ft easement along Hooper Brook on the final plat. Thank you. Second. Thank you. Uh discussion on this motion. If there's no discussion, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions. The reubdision for R 202617 is approved. Onward to another reubdivision. Yes. Next up is a resubdivision R-20226-32 at 4896 South Salena Street and 4902 South Salena Street in the R1 zone district, Syracuse Land Bank.

Me again, Terry Luck at Syracuse Land Bank. Um, the land bank demolished two non-conforming structures at these two properties and we'd like to move the lot line to create two new equalsized new construction sites. These ones will not be in the move in New York program. We don't have plans to build there yet. We're going to market them for sale to somebody who build who will build single family homes. Thank you. Questions for the applicant? No, I'm good. Okay.

Okay. Thanks. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come to the podium, provide your name, address, and comments. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. Again, we have no speakers for this application. So, we'll close public comment and turn our attention to our seeker review for this reubdivision. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and containing your packet? Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by the staff and contained in your packet?

Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate tol large impact under SRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for our seeker review? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Thank you both. Discussion on this motion. If there's no discussion, all in favor of the seeker motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker motion carries. And we may now consider the reubdivision itself. This is R 202632 in the 48 and 4900 blocks of South Salina Street. There's a motion for action on this. In consideration of the application, staff analysis and discussion during this hearing, I make a motion to approve application R-2026-32 as presented. Uh with uh one condition that being that the applicant shall successfully file the resubdivision map in OnDy Clerk's office within 62 days of approval.

Thank you. Is there a second? Thank you. Discussion on this motion. If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? The reubdivision for R 202632 is approved. And we move to our next application. Next up is the West Calvin Street and Hope A resubdivision. Uh, it's actually two companion pieces, a zoning map amendment Z-2920 and a reubdivision R-2026-29 at 535 and 539 West Calvin Street and 119 Hope A. This is also with the Syracuse Lamb Bank and the owner of 535 West Calvin. Last one.

Terry Luckett, Syracuse Land Bank, 1941 South Selena Street. Um, so 539 Calvin is in R2. It has that weird flag shaped I think was a driveway at one point in time. We're going to combine um the back part of 539 with 119 Hope and the flag part to make um a new building site. And we're requesting that that be still in R3. Could be R2 if you wanted it to be. We don't care. Um, and the front part of 539 will be combined with 535. Miss Calvin,

thank you. Questions for the applicant. U, I'm just wondering, could could you pull up figure three because people may want to see that? It' be easier to to understand the properties that we end up with. Page 225. Yeah, it's page 227. Yes. So, if you go back, the the first one show or sorry, you had it right. Um yeah, that one right that that that one show. So the the weirdness shows

Yeah. where the potential driveway access to 539 was off of Hope. Um so that's that little upside down L in red kind of. And then if you go down it'll show what the proposed is. So you'll see 119 there comes a nice clean um parcel. And then we're also going to combine the two the two yellow parcels, right? 539 and 535, right? That's his driveway. Yep. A lot to it, but it's fairly straightforward. I spent a lot of time figuring that out. Two different maps. Everybody should see how it really works.

We tried to sell a piece of that lot to 115 Hop, but that house is vacant and we couldn't find the owner. Further questions for the applicant? Okay, thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? Please come forward. Provide your name, address, and comments. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come to the podium. We'll close public comment since we have no speakers and turn our attention to the uh seeker review.

So, I'll do seeker for both and then uh we can do individual decisions on each. Reminder that the zoning map amendment is a recommendation to the council uh to avoid a split zone parcel and we've had a number of those after re subdivisions. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the AF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate large impact under SRA?

No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Was there a motion to that effect? I make a motion to issue a negative secret declaration. Second. Thank you both. Discussion on this seeker motion. If there's no discussion, then all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Secret motion carries. And we now turn our attention to the um zoning map amendment as well as the resubdivision. We need individual actions on these. Is there a motion for action on the zoning map amendment? seeking consideration of the application staff analysis and the discussion during this hearing. I move a motion to approve application Z-2920 as presented with a recommendation of the common council for affirmative action in one condition. That condition being the applicant shall successfully file the uh zoning map for Z-2920 and accompanying resubd which we're going to take action on next at the honor hel clerk's office uh within 60 days of approval of Z-2920 by the comment council.

Thank you. Is there a second discussion on this motion for the zoning map amendment? If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. Opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Z 2920 is approved and we'll move forward to the common council. Uh, next is the resubd. Is there a motion for action on this?

Yeah. Make a motion to uh approve application R-2026-29 as presented with one condition. That condition being as previously reviewed, the applicant shall be sh application will be successfully filed with the Anodoga County Clerk's Office when 62 days of approval of the zoning map amendment by the common council. Thank you. Is there a second? Second.

Discussion on the resubdivision motion. If there's no discussion, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? R 2026 29 is approved. Thank you. And just a moment before you leave, Terry, retiring. We understand that uh before this meeting started that Terry will be retiring

and um we we will miss you. We thank you. Thank you for all your work moving these parcels around, getting them reconfigured so that homes can be built on them and people can have homes in our city. Uh we will miss you, but you're always welcome to come join us every third Monday evening. Congratulations. Sorry, Jake.

Oh, well said and thank you for stopping. Um, next up is a major site plan review, uh, MASPR-2025-5 at 128 Gard Street, owned by Coral Real Estate in the R4 zone district. So, before I turn it over to the applicant, I just want to tee this up for the commission. Um, as a reminder, we put it into our code um to preserve residential zone districts. If additional bedrooms are going to be added, we want to have uh further review to make sure that that increase in density and intensity of use uh that the structure itself complies with fire code and property maintenance code in New York State for common area space within the structure, but also that it can accommodate uh additional parking off street. And this is in response to no longer enforcing uh the former old definition of family where we regulated no more than five unrelated adults 18 years of age or older. Um so just to explain why this is before you. Uh they're proposing uh two additional bedrooms and um I'll let them explain the rest but um just wanted to clear that up because we we haven't had too many of these yet.

Good context.

Good evening commissioners. My name is Craig Boheamus, 114 East Jese Street in Fagatville. I am not retiring. I am just tired. So before you today is a existing non-compliant single family residence. Um uh with me today is also the director of operations, Alona Hayden for Carell Corell Realy. Uh Carell Realy has a long history of taking uh distressed properties and reconditioning them and putting them into active service as rental properties. Uh this one is u unique in that it's a single family. Uh we proposed six bedrooms. Uh there was probably six bedrooms before. There was some illegal u occupancy in the basement which has been removed. a lot of uh recondition of the the space to bring it back. Uh as you can see from the violations, a lot of debris and stuff prior to uh ownership by Carell. Um the exterior work was intended to be only roof replacement, siding replacement, and window replacement. And their focus is really on the interior of the property and bringing it up to code. Um it was asked by staff to uh make an adjustment to the plan so that there'll be more communal space. Uh we made that slight adjustment so everything is compliant in terms of the space allocation. Um yeah on the first floor we made the adjustment. Uh second floor is four bedrooms, two bedrooms on the first floor and uh we made the adjustment to bedroom one. So the study is available but again your focus is on the exterior. Uh we were also asked to document the parking on site. Uh there's a twocar

garage which will provide the adequate parking for a single family residence. Uh there's also an existing gravel area that is shown on the survey uh and is asked to show the parking there and would be like uh uh six spaces to fit on the site but honestly it's not utilized much and u the desire of the client is not to uh pave or condition this additional parking since it's not going to be utilized for a single family residence. idence. Uh if if the commission desires, we could just put it back to grass. There is adequate parking on street. Uh but again, there would be a tremendous cost to do a swept analysis. Uh provide screening, fencing. Uh it simply would be a a difficulty to try to make a parking lot where none is needed or desired. So that's basically why we're here. Uh and uh Alona, do you want to mention anything on U

I just wanted to Hello, how are you? Um my name is Alona Hayden. I'm director of operations for Coral Real Estate 312 Holly AB apartment 2. I just want to let you know that we have been in the city of Syracuse uh rehabbing single families, twos, threes. Uh our goal, I understand that the city doesn't want to have rooming houses or sorority. We are looking to have a single family house so we can accommodate larger families in the city of Syracuse. So this is our primarily goal. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Questions for the applicant from the commission members.

Uh yeah. So there is one suggested condition I thought we could review just to make sure that you're clear with that and it makes sense. And that that condition is uh within one year from the zoning approval date. Uh appropriate permits shall be required for the illegal parking area or the use shall be discontinued and returned to green space as you indicated was a was a possibility. That would be appropriate, right? And the on-site parking area shall be reduced to no more than 882 square foot uh which is 8% lot coverage and all gravel shall be replaced and permitted with parking area m with uh permitted parking area materials. So you're you're agreeing to all that correct?

Yes. Yes, I think that would be fine. Great. uh prior to the acquisition by Carell Realy, there was a structure at that location that was torn down and I think that's how the uh the property was left after the demolition. Right. Who who gets to park in the garage? Do you have a lottery? The person that pays the check. There's a catch. So, just to confirm, the plan ultimately is a rental to a single to a family. Correct.

And therefore, the twocar parking garage is more than appropriate for what you have seen in your rental pool as family rental for lack of a better word. So within the year, we'll convert that gravel space to green space, which will be then included in the parceling and basically considered like a yard or

outdoor green outdoor area. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward to the podium. Provide your name, address, and your comments. Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? If so, please come forward. Again, I don't see anyone rising to speak. So, we'll close public comment on this. turn our attention to the seeker review involved. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes.

Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by the staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect? Make a motion to issue a negative secret declaration. Thank you. Thank you both. Discussion on the secret motion. If there's none, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker. Motion carries. Is there a motion for action on the major site plan review for this on uh project on Gertude Street? This is MASPR 20255. Consider consideration application staff analysis and discussion during this hearing. Now find uh the application in compliance with major site plan re review criteria and make a motion to approve application MASPR-25-5 as presented with three conditions. Uh the first condition being the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval of a major site plan approval. That material is in your uh is in your packet. In addition to the general conditions, the applicant shall comply with the following specific conditions. Two, within one year from the zoning approval date, appropriate permits shall be acquired for the illegal parking area or use shall be discontinued and returned to green space. The on-site parking area shall be reduced to no more than 882 square foot 8 which is 8% of lot coverage and all gravel shall be replaced with permitted parking materials. All other areas shall be returned to grease space. and three, no parking shall occur in the city writer way or within the front set setback of the lot.

Thank you. Is there a second? Thank you. Discussion on this motion for the resubdivision or excuse me, major site plan review. If not, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? The major site plan is approved. We move to our next application.

Next up is a special use permit SP-2026-12 to establish a neighborhood market at 901-17 South Getta Street and Delaware Street owner Blue Wave Estate LLC. This is in the MX2 zone district. Thank you. Is the applicant here? Hi, my name is Maj Dafari. I like to open the deli microphone to put I like to open the deli in the Sorry, can you just list your uh say your name and address again?

My name is Majita Dafari. Uh the address is 901 saltis. I like to open a deli right the spot. Sandwiches and I don't want to sell no cigarettes, no beer, just sandwiches. That's all about it. And that's it. Yes. Okay. Are there any questions for the applicant?

Uh I just want to comment on the SEPTAD, the crime prevention through environmental design report that was submitted as part of this application process. You have done an excellent job of responding to that. I just curious about your experience. Did you find that process to be useful in terms of evaluating the property and determining what needs to be done in order to move forward with the project? Yes. Yeah. Good. Good. Thank you. Yeah. I just wanted to recognize that because that's a very important part of the process. It's very important for us to have that feedback from the police and I'm glad to hear that it worked for you as the applicant to have that to go through. Thank you. Further questions for the applicant.

I just want to confirm a couple of things. The hours are going to be 9:00 a.m. to 1000 p.m. 7 days a week. Is that correct? And there will be no alcohol sold and no tobacco sold. And there is a consideration of your offsite parking lots are not currently attached to the parcel where the deli will be located. Correct, Jake? Yeah. Um yeah. So is that one of the positions? Yeah. So they need to resub those.

So ultimately those parking lot parcels will have to be resubed to the convenience store parcel in order for it to work as one operation. Right. The parking lot is part of the store. No problem. So, one of one of the conditions will be you'll have to come back with a get a surveyor to prepare that and come back to combine those. That'll be one that's one of the recommended conditions, right? Um for this approval. Okay. Okay. Perfect. That's great. Yeah,

that's great. Thank you. The the condition relative to that is the applicant shall obtain approval for uh a resubdivision to combine uh 577, 581, and 583 and 89 Delaware Street with 901 South Getta Street into a single parcel ensuring that all proposed uh accessory parking spaces are located on the same parcel. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Are there are there end of another question? I do have one last question. I'm sorry. Will there be dumpsters or some sort of trash disposal on the property? Yes. Commercial.

So, um there are how many apartments are upstairs again? Four. They they get city pickup, right? you have city trash and recycling bins, but the business would need I think so in the past there's been trash and debris issues behind this building um along Delaware in the rear. So I believe the site plan is calling that area out. Um so just that it'll be there and be properly screened and kept neat and orderly. Currently I have someone watching seven days a week. Great. Barrel's back. Y So everyone's happy renovated.

Great. So the commercial dumpster, they should be accustomed to this. The requirement is that they will be placed usually in a far corner of the lot for accessibility for dumping, but they also will be properly screened for the visual effect of the neighborhood. No problem. Okay. Thank you. And you have applied for certificate of use, correct? A certificate of use. You've applied for certificate of use. Yeah. Right.

No, no. This the C of the business. It's a business certificate of use. Um, so the special use permit was triggered uh for this new tenant um under the under the provisions of the zoning code um to establish this but also to allow them to um be qualified to get a certificate of use. So to get their CVU, this has to come first. If this goes through right from here to the council, then they'll be they'll have everything in place to um get their certificate of use for operating business license. And they have a certificate of compliance, too. Uh, yes, the building does. I believe it was 20 24. Those are every three years, so it's currently valid.

Great. Great. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come to the podium. Provide your name, your address, and your comments. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. Uh we don't seem to have any speakers, so we'll close the public comment on this and turn our attention for uh now to the seeker review. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet?

Yes. Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by the staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SRA? No. No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second. Thank you both. Discussion on the seeker motion. If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstensions? The seeker motion carries. And we can turn our attention now to the special use permit. This is SP 202612. Is there a motion for action on this? In consideration of the application, staff analysis and comments uh during this discussion, I make a motion finding the application for SP-2026-12 in compliance with special use permit criteria in section 5.B.4B7A through B and recommend approval by the common council with the following eight conditions. Those eight conditions are one, the applicant shall comply with general conditions for approval of special use permit applications. Uh that material is in your uh application packet. In addition to general conditions, the application shall comply with the following seven specific conditions. Uh the applicant shall always possess a valid certificate of use issued by the city of Syracuse. The business owner shall abide by the hours of operation established by the planning commission. That's 9:00 a.m. to 10 uh p.m. Uh a no neon sign signage or decorative lighting shall be permitted in the windows or the building facade. The applicant shall uh submit photographic evidence of the completed site improvements to the office of zoning administration within 90 days of approval of the special use permit by the common council demonstrating compliance with the septed recommendations that the property owner has committed to implementing. Uh the object uh the subject property is prohibited from selling tobacco products due to proximity to adjacent Delaware elementary school. uh and seven the one reviewed before. The applicant shall obtain approval for um a sub reubdivision to combine 577 and 581 and 583 and 89 Delaware Street with 91 South Ghetto Street into a single parcel to ensure that all proposed accessory parking spaces are located on the same

parcels. And the applicant shall uh commit to uh upgrading the site through any necessary permits based on the revised site plan and beneicial approval of conditions imposed by the Department of Public Works as follows. One, repair the damage right away with permissible interiors. Uh materials and landscape areas are to be concrete outside of brick branding areas. Thank you. Is there a second? Thank you. Discussion on this motion for the special use permit. If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? The s the motion carries for SP 202612. And as always, that will move on as a recommendation to the common council for a final decision. Our next right, last new business item is another special use permit, SP-2026-16 at 3001-23 James Street in North Midler, owner Eastwood, uh, LLC. This is an MX2 zone district. Uh and just to tee this up as well, uh this is to establish a commercial food preparation establishment, but it's specific to using tenant space for uh recipe research for their other coffee shop locations. And they'll explain more on that, I'm sure. Um and to prepare, uh batch orders and to train staff, but there's no on-site sale. So it's it's maybe a little bit different than some other more traditional commercial food preparation establishment uses, but it does meet the parameters of this and the definition. So that's the use classification.

So primarily a training facility pretty much. I'll let them walk through it more.

Anas Mady, I am the co-founder and CEO of Zan Coffee House. We opened our first location last year in the sweetheart corner in North Syracuse and we are getting ready to open a second location in township 5 and we have really outgrown the spaces uh and we need a facility that can help us uh train our staff members and make our stuff uh inhouse. I also happen to own the property on Jameson Midler, 3001 James Street and we have two spaces that have been vacant for about a year now. So, we need the space uh for our Zaman coffee shop to be able to do our products in house and train our staff members. And so, we're combining two spaces to be able to do that.

Thank you. I didn't catch Where's your second location? Uh Township 5 uh in Kimalis. Got it. Thank you. Yeah. Questions for the applicant? Uh just wondering could you put up the image on um I guess page 345 will work in the full packet 345. It's the anyone that has a full picture of the uh the facade.

Well, I I was looking for Okay, I guess that'll work. I was just wondering what, you know, I can't tell the the different units that are in there which ones are exactly for the facility, the project that we're looking at right now. It's the the middle high peak. Um, one used to be a former tattoo shop. So, if you actually Yeah, if you get Are you able to zoom in? Yeah, that's it. Right. If you can zoom in on that. Oops. Right. Yeah. So, the one that Yeah, the two the two units in the middle. That one. Okay. Yeah, that one and to the left of it. Yep.

These two. Great. Thanks. And uh just curious. So, there's a lot of open windows there. Do what what plans do you have for the the windows? Are they going to be This is not a facility that's going to be open to the public, so I am, you know, it'll probably be closed off. Um, you know, I'm not sure that we want people to see in Right. Exactly. the building. So, there's not there's not going to be any retail traffic or anything. This is not true retail traffic. This is purely research and development and testing new recipes and training staff. Right. Good. Uh, and the the other question I have is there's a a recommendation or conditions necessary resubdivision application for uh the parking lot. Uh, can you explain what exactly that that would involve? Uh,

I'm sorry. Say that again. Yeah. So, the parking lot behind uh there's a a recommendation here. A resubdition application shall be submitted to the zoning administrator within one year to combine the lots that make up the rear parking area at 30123 Jamesde and North Mid Avenue and 114 North Midler Avenue. Uh yeah, I'm actually not sure why that requirement. So, there was a house here some time ago got demolished and then the parking lot expanded into this parcel. Um, and it was never resubdivided. So, we're just asking to clean up the site and with, you know, typical conditions to combine those. I mean, we've had a couple tonight actually that are similar just to combine. Was that on the northern side of a lot?

On the Midler side or it's on a minute? Um, that is Yeah, right there, right? Yeah. So, to the north. Okay. Uh, if you go through the intersection of Midler and James on the right side to the north of the building. Thanks. So, basically what we're saying is the back parking lot that you're currently using is two separate parcels. Okay. And it is being recommended just combining one parcel. It's not a problem. So, this is your property and this is the other one. Just combine these two again to a survey. Just ask to combine those.

Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, that should be a fairly simple, straightforward res subdivision. Sure. Additional questions for the applicant. Okay, thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come to the podium. So with no speakers, we'll close public comment, turn our attention to the seeker review for this application. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet?

Yes, maybe. Coffee. Um, has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by the staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SECRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? I make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second.

Thank you both. Discussion on this motion? If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Secret motion carries. And now we may entertain a motion for the special use permit. This is SP 202616. Is there a motion for action on this? In consideration of the application, staff analysis and uh comments during the discussion and comments during this hearing, I make a motion finding the application for SP-2026-16 in compliance with the special use criteria in section 5.B.4B 7 A through H and recommend approval by the common council with the following four conditions. One, the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval of special use permit. uh that material is a uh provided in your application packet. Uh two, the snow storage shall be maintained on site in the designated area in the rear rear of the property and shall not encroach in the public right of way uh or adjacent properties. Uh three, the applicant shall coordinate with the dog county department of water environmental protection flu control division for any infrastructure related disturbance of land with the in county easement. And four, as we discussed before, a reubdivision application shall be submitted to the zoning administrator within one year to combine the lots that make up the rear parking area of 30123 Dra Street and North Midler Avenue and 114 North Midler Avenue.

Great. Thank you. Is there a second discussion on this motion for the special use permit? If not, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Special use permit is approved. And it moves to the common council for final disposition. Uh should we take care of the three-mile limit and then uh y jump back?

Yes. Uh one other business item. It's a 3mile limit in the town of Anadaga, 3S-2026-3 at 4310 and 4300 Anadaga Boulevard uh between owner applicant uh Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation doing business as National Grid and represented by Bon Shanigan King. Um we've had uh more extensive uh meetings uh with the applicant and city engineers office uh than usual for this to make sure everything was okay. Um, we do have the city engineers approval for this to move this forward.

Great. In that case, with the engineers uh concurrence, is there a motion for action on the 3M limit in the town of Anoga? Make a motion to approve 3S-2026-3. Discussion on the motion. If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? three mile limit case in Anandaraa is approved and back we go to um couple of items held from the previous meeting. So uh going back to the beginning of the agenda uh the first old business item is uh major site plan review MASPR-25-36 at 4100-06 South Salina Street. owner Lawrence Davis and the applicant is Shaquille Brown. This is in the CM zone district.

Good afternoon. My name is Shaqula Brown. I reside at 4174 Tommy's Trail. Today I'm prepared. I made a speech. I didn't know last time that I should have, but I did today. Um, I just want to be very clear from the start that I'm not unprepared and I'm not asking for leniency. I'm presenting I'm sorry um presenting my plan and it is very structured through and through backed by real world experience. The environment where our safety and compliance is a non-negotiable. Since 2017, I've been a labor worker for strict standards, including asbestous supervisor in my field. I am also a mandated reporter with Syracuse City. I tried to, you know, refrain from even saying what I do as far as uh my career-wise, but um I feel like today it was needed. Um, also I want to touch bases on the security. Security is not minimum to me. Security is definitely a big one. Um, with that being said, uh, safety, security, management, I need to be clear with everybody. Um, I went out Easter Sunday and I did try to reach out with the community and everything. the same packets that I brought in with you guys, I left at the neighbors houses just so they could have a a clearer understanding on what I want to bring to the community. Um, traffic, traffic is a huge part of my portion of my life. I've been on phase one, two, and three, uh, which is it's going to be fun. But I get you guys home safely every day back and forth if you guys trust me to do that. all the signs, all the barrels, all all of the indicators I and two other people do. Um, my biggest thing is I want to

make sure that you guys know and feel secure and that my plan is definitely to help build our generation. Um, I don't want to make it too long cuz I know we've all been at work all day. I also want to address something directly. uh this idea of that this operation would be unmanaged or disruptive does not reflect on who I am or how I operate. My background proves that and I follow systems, I follow regulations and I execute plans. In addition to the invested certifications that I have, a lot of programs Syracuse do offer for youth as far as uh CDL programs, um nonprofit organizations to help them get into the con to get into the construction field. Sorry. Um I actually myself I went and I applied through CNY works and I got the grant myself to do my class A CDLs. I want to be able to allow children that are in Hillbrook, that are coming home, you know, a outlet to where they know that they'll be able to have something to turn to. So, like while they're in Hillbrook, I will be training them for their um permits and then when they come home, we'll try to get them on we'll get them on with their um you know, their road test and everything like that. Another thing is um security. For security purposes, I have also hired I have Syracuse and Rochester security. Um, I kind of tried to stay away from, you know, so many of the same securities in downtown New York and those things. I want to be able to give our black community another a chance to be able to excel at life. Um, so my idea, I don't know if you guys know how, um, uh, Upstate Hospital operates their buses and their shuttles. No. Okay. So, you

give us an overview of how that works.

Okay. So, um, if you work at SU, there's not a lot of parking or anything like that. So, we have they have shuttles and I I only say we because I just was working on an upstate job up there and I'm like, how in the heck am I going to make it there on time every day? It it was a it was a learning experience for me. But they have shuttles. So the shuttles pick you up from each location and they'll drop you right off to your destination, which then you have to walk 5 miles to get to actually where you're going. But so I have teamed up with two uh blackowned entrepreneur companies for transportation. I do have three um drop off and pickup locations that I have um set uh what's the word I'm looking for? I'm sorry. I'm I'm drawing a blank. Um, I said, what is the word? I'm so sorry. I have, um,

sorry. There you go. I have set up a whole bunch of prevention things to make sure that everything in store is going to make sure everybody get home safely because I want to get home safely and I'm sure everybody who owns properties around that area wants to get home safely. Um, with that being said, I do have some of my co-workers that get you guys back and forth to work every day in Syracuse around that area in Fedville as well as Clay and they all want to say their their half on it. So, I'll allow them to do that. If you guys have any questions, um, I'm savvy with blueprints. I've been doing construction since 2008. Um, yeah, that's my spill. Okay.

Thank you. Are there questions from the commission members for the applicant? I want to I want to start with uh commenting on an appreciation for the creativity and work that you put into developing the uh parking and loading demand plan. I mean the primary issue that we had last time that we were struggling with was how to deal with the parking not knowing

because the formula that was used to arrive at the eight car spaces parking spaces for that property based on square square footage doesn't really work in that situation and and that the event space is is a new item that is not listed in the parking uh dimension regulation. So, it's up to the zoning administrator and the common the planning commission to establish the necessary parking. And I think if the parking plan works, you've done an excellent job in providing a plan that satisfies the Even if you guys would allow me to put up type three barricades in front of the the Valley Plaza. That way people won't be able to just pull in there cuz I'm going to have men out there, man parking lots because right

being that I've been through so much with this and learning all of the different Syracuse codes and languages and everything that are, you know, these things that are in place, they are in place for a reason and it's duly noted with me myself. So if I can have your permission to, you know, utilize, you know, and and block it off with type three barricades, that way we won't have people staying out there later. Honestly, um my event center will not be open every day. It will be per events, per bookings, right? I mean, even today, I'm missing out on being able to provide a family a space to after they put down their loved ones. You understand? So, a lot of things I want to be able to utilize within that community. This is square one. This is step one. This is the beginning. And I was like so frustrated last time. I let my emotions supersede my intelligence. And then I got up here. I'm like, everybody gets letters. I don't have a letter. brought in I was I felt unprepared and that's not me. Um and I am a believer of Jesus Christ and I I I definitely gave my whole Easter to making sure that I let the whole community know what I was bringing toward them.

So I do think we have come up with a package of 10 conditions that I think you know define the parameters in which we can successfully operate or you can successfully operate this this business there. A couple of things. It it does strike me though if it's an event center, so you can have different types of things in there. If you're going to have live entertainment, you will need an entertainment license. Now, that's a fairly simple matter. And my recommendation would be in anticipating the possibility of that, you should just get an annual entertainment license, which you can do for that project at that at that size.

But you see how you just shared information with me. This is as simple as what I'm trying to do with my community because there's a lot of grants. There's a lot of things that we could actually provide to our community and utilize them. You know, if you don't know anything about these things, like the first time that I put in my paperwork, I filed for a major site plan review and then after a year, I had to go to a minor site plan review just because I installed a stage and then there's a spot for a bar. If I was to cater or if I was to do an event, they could put food up there. I feel like um my community kind of like well I feel like they overhyped my goals a little bit and I'm like oh okay I didn't know I was going to be experienced such high volumes and you know negativity and then along the line even my believers my firm believers you know have dropped off because I'm asking people to leave their jobs their families you know to come out and support what we all believe in. I really went against with uh doing the polling and all of those things because I feel like those things are set in place when you're trying to get your business back open, but still I stuck to the script and I did everything that Zoning told me to do. So, and I'm still willing to work with zoning and this is like I said the beginning. So, I am going to need help and I would like more information on that. Um I don't know if there's a difference between a major site plan and

no entertainment license. There's two types of entertainment license. ones if you have over a certain of number of people. Right. Right now, I don't even know how many people are will be able to be in the But in your case, you're you're under the criteria for just one year. So, you just you just get an entertainment license each year and renew it. Okay. Perfect. And then I would go down right to downtown um Syracuse. Yeah. The permit office. Okay. Perfect. I Okay.

Okay. So just to for for clarifying uh entertainment licenses for any form of live entertainment um so you know DJs stuff like that um but it's really for public safety response so that police and fire um are aware of a size which your space automatically is under the new threshold as uh Commissioner Lens mentioned. Um so it's really more for emergency response than anything. Um, so it's c it's sort of like an operating license after you get up and operational if you're going to have those things. It's one of the requirements.

Okay. I have no problem with applying for that. It actually sounds good to me. I also want to utilize, you know, offduty sheriffs and Syracuse, you know, no matter what color or anything like that, but if we work all together, I feel like we can actually make it work. Other questions for the applicant? My turn. Yes, Kayla. Hi. Um, so let's first address the Valley Plaza problem, right? We do not have the authority to authorize you to do anything. I've reached out to that owner quite a few times on quite a few occasions. Right. Not just you,

right? So, I know there is a manager. I can't remember his name, but he might be more responsive timewise.

Yeah. I spoke to a woman when I when I called. Um, I believe it was their management company. And as I said, I've been going with this for so long. I mean, it's even been suggested that I go downtown or that I tried to lease a space from over there. So, I actually went over and I tried. But when I tell you, I don't have that type of money. They want you to go and do escrow accounts and whoopy whoop all of this other stuff. And it's like, you know, sometimes you don't understand how much of an impact you have on the people that are around you. And I've been working for my community since I've started doing construction. Whether it be me trying to get them a job through the labor union or whether it be just my presence and listening to what they have to say, like that goes a far away, you know. So,

so we can't obviously say, oh yes, go put those barriers up at I'll definitely follow protocol when it comes down to that. You'll have to do that. But to that point, certainly your security can be assertive, watching and making sure that they're not leaving your shuttle lots and going to So my my shuttle lots are they're not in that plaza, but No, I know. Yeah. Okay. I'm not going into my car after my event and then going over to that and people are going to try and do that.

People are going to and especially in that side of town and I could honestly say, you know, I'm born and raised from that side of town. That's why I wanted to go back to that side of town. You know, I've also spoke with, you know, Omar up at Hillbrook and he I've pitched my pitch to him as well and he feel as though, you know, we will be able to do business together as far as and I'm sure you can appreciate as we appreciate here um the neighbors behind Valley Plaza and across the street from Valley Plaza have uh been a party and witness to some very tragic events and in that plaza. Oh, absolutely.

And it has it takes its toll on a neighborhood. So, we all would like, you know, part of the good neighbor policy, right? Let's keep the communication going and constantly reminded that we want to be as good a neighbor as we possibly can be. Absolutely.

Um I I also wanted to just ask you how you felt about the hours. And I know that that's hard to say because you haven't really been able to book an event, but I guess my question is to start to, you know, for lack of a better word, a soft opening, a way to sort of see what works, what doesn't work. Would you consider like 6 pm to 11 p.m. instead of the 1:00 am? With the caveat that you can always come back and ask us for or ask the zoning administrator for more hours, more open time, etc. Which

if I'm limited to that time, you know, of course I would agree. um at a more logical uh base. 6:00 p.m. A lot of people have events that they want to be, you know, having taken care of before it's bedtime. 6:00 p.m. logically is dinner time around my house. Everybody's house is different. Um being that these businesses are so close that I've made agreements with, I can't operate on their time. So, if I was to only stay open till 11:00, that would only leave me I probably would only be able to do one event a day.

So, I don't know if you guys will be able to work with me um on either allowing me to open earlier because I I agree with the the 1 and 2:00 thing. I'm not opening a bar. That was part of the reason why I was so upset the first time that I came because it was like my it it kind of limited the things that I want to do with the community, right? So if I'm I'm completely flexible and willing. So well, we had discussed it last time the six o'clock time for the beginning opening and wondering

why that was set at 6 because some of the events you might want to have would be better especially on a weekend. It was earlier and now you do have an earlier time on a weekend of 4, but the six was arrived at originally because you want to do it after businesses are closing where you might be using their parking. It was um I can't remember the code, but there's a code to where we can't operate within the same time if we're using the same parking spaces or you know something like that. I can't remember the code. So that was related to the to the parking, right? But so another thing that I wanted to bring up is um the bottle return that is in part of the building. Um there are no longer there as well. So that provided more parking spaces as well. Correct.

Yeah. Just to clarify that uh last comment about the time the initial and I think it was a response to uh the the first rendition of a shared parking agreement was with the Siko gas station just to the south of the site. Okay. And but they regulated by a special use permit and they have to be completely closed at a specific time which limited that window. So yeah, they said like in like 19. So that's why or something like that when they opened they were Yeah, they were um a 24-hour business.

And um I mean that owner is still willing to you know allow me to utilize that parking space as well. But again um being that I spoke with those those two owners of the companies, the shuttle companies, uh they're they're willing to work around the clock. Okay, we can What about 6:30 to 12 instead? 6:30, 11. Golden. And I'll have everyone out by 1. And I'm I'm wondering about the Saturday and Sunday, though. So, not one. Sorry. Excuse me. 12 a.m. would be the closing. But you you know, 4 p.m. you might want to start. I mean, you don't have the same problem with uh the the parking lot on Saturday and Sunday.

No, logically speaking, I will be at work. My co-workers will be running, you know, they'll be running. I still work for the city. So, I understand. So, I'm just trying to figure out what those out. So that's why it's 4 on Absolutely. Okay. So So we're looking at 6:30 to 12 Monday through Friday and 4 to 12 on weekends. Is that sounds good to me. And is there any way that um I don't know how this process work, but will I be able to see the papers that you guys are writing on? Okay. Well, you'll see the final Okay, perfect. what we all decide. Okay, perfect. You don't want to see. Okay.

You can hardly read them. Sorry. Um, okay. And I want to walk through that you understand completely how this process is going to work, right? Because if we approve this, we are approving an allowable use in that structure that you don't own. Someone else owns the structure. That structure has to be completely up to code for public assembly prior to you using the structure for your event public assembly. Right. Well, I will be owning it pretty soon. So, okay. Well, that's for another day. You might want to wait until all this stuff is taken care of.

Well, you know what? I've been I've been doing it from the start by myself and I want to thank zoning specifically because you guys have taught me a lot throughout the process. So, so there are brother Renee, I greatly appreciate it. There will be requirements both permits and timelines. Absolutely. To get those the building up to where it needs to be for public assembly use. Absolutely. Um and you know I just want to make sure you understand that and that's between the owner and you absolutely. Okay. I guess I'll you ready for what I got for a second? You ready for my triple threat?

Here we go. Thank you. We had closed public comment on this previous and um a motion. My recommendation is we re I'll make a motion to reopen public comment. Second. Yes. Discussion. All in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed. No. No. Don't go anywhere.

Yep. Um so now we can have public comment on this for or against. Uh the ground rules are we're asking people to speak for um no more than 3 minutes. Um and uh if a subsequent speaker wants to reiterate a point that's already been made, it's already in the record, you can just kind of say um ditto for me. um so we can get through as many folks as possible and we still have another project after this one. So with that said, please give us your name and your address and then your comments on this application.

My name is Adonis Dele. I live at uh 2003 East Fet Street, east side of Syracuse. Uh good evening members of the council and everybody here to support. Uh, I think Shaqula did an amazing job up here. So, I'm not going to read what I wrote on, you know, I um but I did want to say that the event center I feel like uh would be uh a good location um and a good like a good opportunity for the youth. I'm my my main focus is the youth cuz I was once you know young and you know uh with little opportunities you know yeah everyone was you know with little opportunities little little motivation you know uh I do feel like she provides a lot of opportunities for you know myself and my other work my other co-workers and stuff like that and I just feel like the event center would you know be a a opportunity to create more opportunities for the youth and that's that's my focus just feel like you know giving them a barrier and giving them opportunities to reach their goals and to have an outlet to be able to, you know, have somewhere to, you know, somewhere to, you know, like the job. I'm sorry, I'm a little I'm a little nervous up here, but the jobs would be like, you know, like cleaning up and uh just just certain things we could put the children in the community and make sure that they, you know, uplift their self and reach their goals. I feel like she's showing us, you know, just me myself, that the goals can be reached and, you know, we all can get somewhere coming from nothing. So, I just feel like, you know, shout out to her and, you know, I hope you guys come up with a good good conclusion. So, thank you.

Thank you. Y are there other individuals who wish to speak in favor? Please provide your name and your address and then your comments.

I'll keep it short and sweet. My name is Tori Drake. Um 98 Boulevard Street, Mattydale, New York. Um I have known Shaquila for more than 17 years. is I am truly proud to call her a genuine friend that I look up to. What sets her apart is her integrity and dedication. She does not cut corners and she's incredibly trustworthy. She inspires me with her work ethic every day. She has always been the person to make everyone feel comfortable and included. Bringing that warmth to a venue is going to make it a truly unique place to host a gathering. I am so proud of Shaquila. She is finally turning her dream into reality and anyone who knows her knows that she is has the biggest heart. The new event space is going to be amazing because it's built on love and care for the community.

Thank you. Other other individuals who wish to speak, please come to the podium and please provide your name and address for the record and then your comments.

How you doing? My name is Tatiana Badilla, address 381 Fob. Um, I'm here because I am highly in favor of Miss Brown's Event Center. Uh, I think it'd be a beautiful opportunity for the community. Um, it'll be somewhere for the youth to go to grow, you know, like they won't be out getting in trouble. You know, she's literally helped build this city with her bare hands, you know, so I don't see why she would, you know, set up anything to try to destroy it or disrupt anything. Anything she's going for is positivity. So, I feel like it'll be an amazing thing to happen. Uh, she's went through all the processes, any approvals, forms, anything that you guys need her to get done, she can get it done to get this thing up and running, you know. So, I think you guys should just give her some grace and uh let her do her thing.

Thank you. Other individuals who wish to speak in favor, please come forward. Yeah, if if there more maybe you could line up behind the current speaker and then um just move to the podium once the person in front of you finishes. Okay, go ahead.

Hello, my name is Kachina Davis and I reside at 707 Court Street on the north side. Um I wrote something cuz my nerves get bad. So um this event center is about more than bricks and walls. It's about opportunity. It's about giving our community something to be proud of. It can bring jobs, support small businesses, create a safe spa space for our youth, especially being that they are the future, and also bring families together. For too long, communities like ours have been overlooked, and this is a chance to invest in something positive, something that brings growth, unity, and hope. An event center could be a place where memories are made, cultures is celebrated, and opportunities are created. This isn't just a building. It's a statement that our community matters, that we deserve resources, and that we believe in a better future for the people who live here. Our community deserves spaces, spaces that inspire and uplift and bring people together. And an event center like that can be that space. It can add real value, just not financially, but socially, culturally, and for the future of this community. It can give opportunities and resources that people want and need and that they're asking for. The community wants people to see them, to hear them, and this event center would be exactly that. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Next, next speaker.

Hi, my name is Janisha Jones, 516 Sternard A. Um, so from the day she went into the Jubilee Youth Build program, she told all of her friends like, "Look, we're going to go do something new. We're going to start our careers to our life in construction." and it was a a tape test you had to take and I didn't make it and she did and I was so upset but I'm so proud of her for how far she has came. Um she's a well- educated business person. Um she's a prominent like staple in her family. She's very family orientated and let's just start for one the place is called good vibes only. like it doesn't get any better than that when you're trying to put out a good positive, you know, thing in the community. Um, she has a lot of good people that stand behind her and we all love her.

Thank you. Next.

Good evening. My name is Milan Jackson. I am located on 219 Elliot Street, apartment 2,3204, Syracuse, New York. I am here on the behalf of Miss Brown. I do know her previously being at I want to say a detention center which was Hillbrook. Um it is three years later now. I am a personal care aid. I do have my own business. Um I have multiple incomes. You know I'm on my third apartment actually getting ready to move into a house I want to say in 2 years you know um owned by me. So I just want to start with good evening to everyone in here. I am here again on the behalf of her. My I personally want to say that hearing that she wants to start this process made me extremely happy. But to hear that you guys didn't want to proceed that made me did make me feel some type of way. And I understand where you guys are coming from and how you feel about the community and that you want the community to be a better place. Feeling um in this society today a lot of us black women have trouble getting the support we need. whether it's from the court or businesses that are just doing better. It's harder. So today, I'm sure I'm sure that we all are here to figure out who was the common den denominator. And I'm pretty sure we all know how can we make it to where we all are on the same page and we're all happy. Have a great night.

Thank you. Good evening. My name is No Watkins. A little closer to the microphone, please.

All right. My good evening. My name is Nora Watkins. My address is 20 200 Martin Luther King Street. I am one of the youth from Hillbrook. I met Miss Brown in Hillbrook. She helped me learn how to control my anger. Learn teach me how to I made I I don't want my read from that stuff. I ain't going to lie. Like um she helped me learn how to control my anger, think about the future, and like don't think about the present. Like when I was um in Hillbrook, I used to like get in a lot of fights and like think think like just in the present like about how I was right there and then. But like then she helped me like think about the future and then I think she can help us in the community with um the center with My bad. My I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My bad. I ain't going to lie. But like I think she can help us in a community with like like like kids like me like like like not kids but like like like people like me like that got anger issues and like that like like to lash out on people and stuff like that and like kid kids kids that they look at bad and stuff like that. I think I believe she can help. Thank you. Hello. Y'all hear me? All right. First, I want to start out by saying excuse my appearance. You know, I just came from doing physical therapy and a bunch of other stuff. So, um my name is Mr. Wright, 300 Mile View, Syracuse, New York. Um, I know Miss Brown all her life and you know the opportunity of an event center in the city will be a great thing. I feel I've been dealing with the entertainment system with the entertainment part of life since 0405.

You know what I'm saying? So for a long time now and you know I see a lot of things that the city lacks and the different entertainment portions um that we still thrive for um an event center in the inner city. It's not really too many event centers or things of that sort in the inner city to have any type of good entertainment in the for our community. We have to go to the outskirts or someplace else. Never anywhere in a town where we can enjoy ourselves an event center in a city by Miss Brown who's like they said before very family oriented very um community based and and for the people I feel like this will help bring a lot of things together bring good entertainment to the town and you know it's just something I feel like is good for the city all around um for the inner city people for the college students for all sorts of things to help bring the city together as a whole.

Thank you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come to the podium.

My name is Willie May Lewis. I live at 116 East Kennedy Streets. My house is commercial. I work with childrens that's disabled artistic and I helped them go through college work with me working my back and bone to get them where they're going and Mrs. around is my niece and my mother was the same type of person. We worked with all walks of life and we got the kids go to college, help them get jobs. We took our time out when we had time to help them out and I'm quite sure my niece is going to do the same thing cuz we here to help her. Thank you. Thank you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak in favor of the application? If so, please come to the podium. And if those speakers are finished, we now open this up to anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to the application. I ask them to come forward to the podium, provide their name, their address, and their comments.

My name is Derek Dunford. I own the property at 4114 South Cent Street. I spoke last time. Um try to keep it short. Um sounds like she's a wonderful person and all that. Again, focusing on the business end and one thing I I hear the terms two terms that concern me. One is community myself and I know there's going to be at least two other people probably speak against it. Community is right around where the property is. All the addresses I'm hearing are not in the valley. I'm two doors down. There'd be some other people, I'm sure, that are right close. Valley Valley Plaza. Those that that makes sense. It's not in their neighborhood. So, as a guy two doors down, I'm still concerned on the parking situation. I know the building well. I know the the the landlord situation well. I would tell you to whether your building's open or not for business, you should be taking care of your property. I can't stand landlords that don't take care of their properties except when there's something going on in there. If you go there today, 12, 13, 14, tires out back, trash all over the place, building hasn't been painted in 30 years. It's a wreck. The parking situation, eight spots, it still doesn't make sense. You can you can offer parking somewhere else. I know that Valley Plaza, work for Valley Plaza, Endicott Development owns it. They are not going to allow the parking there. my business. I used to have employees that would park across the street. They didn't allow it. And that was during daytime hours on the front f I I'm not going to get into that, but I'm telling you, it's not going to happen. So, you can offer parking three, four blocks away and busting them in. I It's a great idea. I get it. Doesn't mean people are going to have to do it. They're not going to What's going to keep people in line to do that? They're going to end up on the streets. They're going to end up parking on our other properties. I don't want to have to put a fence up if I don't have to. I'm sure others don't want to do that as well. You're talking

100 person or 150 person venue. There are other places like this. Valley Legion over on Academy Green, which is less than a half a mile away, is an exact type of property that this makes sense for where you have 150 parking spots for two, 300 people. Again, sounds like a nice person. She's trying. I get it. I just don't think the property makes sense for what we're talking about here. Um, and the other thing, the other term I'm really concerned with is I'm hearing security, security, security security, security security. The hours of operation, children, again, doesn't kind of make sense to me. I don't know what the age group stops being considered for children. Children are now till 1:00. You don't need security for children. I didn't hear anything about the alcohol situation. Is this a bar? Is it not a bar? You don't need security if you don't tend to have people that are drinking. I It just doesn't make sense. If this is if I'm having a birthday party for kids or I'm having something after a funeral, I'm not hiring security for that type of business. I get that she's trying to put a plan in place. I respect that, you know, to protect everything, but there's no other businesses down there short of, you know, may maybe there's a security person at the bank or whatever. But that that that that concerns me as somebody who owns a property literally 85 ft away. So that's all.

Okay. Thank you. Um other individuals to speak against, give us your name, please, and then your address and comments.

Good evening. Patron Jones Rouser, uh district counselor. Address 45 um 123 Wood A. I also own 4520 South Alina Street. Um, one I want to say Kathy already addressed some of the things that I was going to address as far as the the previous issues that have been that have happened down there um with the neighborhood being, you know, inundated by multiple um tragic issues as well as some minor issues. Um, not to say that every uh business is a one-toone situation. However, we have experienced some of these same conversations in the last 5 to six years where yes, we have security and did and the incident still happened. Um, parking was issues at those other properties. Parking uh plans were made didn't didn't happen the way that it was stated. So, we have been here before on multiple occasions. I had a resident um tell me who was whose address backed up to uh the Valley Plaza that their bathroom faced the rear. They were afraid to take a shower at night because they was afraid that a bullet would come through while they were in the shower and they wouldn't hear anything. That did happen recently to a adjacent property across the street from the the other um event space down there. So again, not to say that every business is the same, and I I absolutely hear what the the um residents are saying about Mrs. Brown and her nature. I'm pretty sure she's a lovely woman. She has a huge heart apparently because a lot of people came out last time, a lot of people came out this time. But this space is not the

space for it. It the parking situation is one thing. the neighborhood has already been, you know, had issues. The spread out of all of this parking, now you're pushing it into further into the neighbor, the add uh adjacent neighborhoods. Um, and I'll also state that I too am an event planner and decorator. I've been in it since 2008. And the plans that I'm hearing tonight also come with dollars. And event spaces typically rent in our community for 100 to 12550 an hour. Most events are 4 hours. These numbers don't add up. they don't add up at all to the expenses that are going to be paid out for security and transportation, all of these other things. It it doesn't compute. Um, so that's just me. I'm a numbers person. I I can only offer that. Again, I'm speaking on behalf of the neighbors who I've spoken to for the last 3, four years about what they've been dealing with, and I do not foresee it being any different because although she's a lovely woman, we can't control people. We want to be able to say that these individuals respect me, they're going to honor. We have seen that not play out. Thank you. Thank you, councelor. Uh, other individuals wishing to speak in opposition, please come to the podium with your name, address, and your comments. Kathy Stribbly, 316 Monosell Drive North. Um, I appreciate the um, well, I want to

bring a comment. As far as I understand, I was told by Jidang Xiang that um cards were sent out to Da Avenue this time. The neighbor who was here last time from DA told me he did not receive any notification. Um and he won't be here because he's working double shifts. Okay. So people if they're not notified about the hearing, they're not going to be here. So, I don't know what the situation really is, but I think it's worth looking into. Were cards sent out for this hearing or not? And what's the policy about second hearings? If you're not sending them out, I think we you ought to think about it again. Um, I think there's serious issues with the offsite parking and I I just want to focus mostly on that. I I appreciate the business plan. I think there's contradictions in it. Um the two locations for offside parking um are are way down the neighborhood. Um, one of them is behind a large Queen Anne building which is um really smack down in the middle of the neighborhood island. Nobody was notified that we're going to have a a subparking lots in the neighborhood operating late at night with all the consequent possible gathering before gathering afterward overflow which can happen in these kind

of situations. Um so we've got two neighborhoods. We've got the neighborhood here, then we've got the neighborhood further south. I have no idea if there's an agreement there or not a Senica turnpike and Salina, but I doubt that owner is going to agree to that. Now, maybe the staff or somebody can tell me there is a an agreement with them. U this is owned by Mr. Davis. This building I don't I drove by the other day. I don't think there are 10 spaces in there. He's got tenants. how how many spaces are really there. So, I'm I'm really questioning the viability of the offsite parking, the fact that neighbors in those areas were not notified that you can end up with problems in both of those locations with people gathering afterwards and before and uncontrolled activities. All right? then you're spreading all that out from from where you're at Dodge Avenue. So, I'm very concerned about those. I don't think it's fair. I talked to one of the neighbors on Glenn Avenue today. She had no idea this was going on and she lives like a stones throw away from this parking lot. I put a picture of Randolph Avenue in there. It's a very small street with town houses and some older houses on it. Uh they back right up to that parking lot and then on the other side they want to put in land bankank houses. Okay, which you guys approved. It's a swamp, but you approved it. Okay, so so all that's going on there and and none of these people know, none of the neighbors know this even even going on. So this is all new. Um and I don't know if it's going to work. Um the b the business

plan my I keep hearing that this is a youth center that it's going to be open constantly. Then in the business plan it said the events are going to be scheduled and staggered and managed. Well that sounds good. But is it open all the time? Is it a youth center? Is it an event? I don't know exactly what it is. So, the problem with that is you're trying to do a couple different things and they they really are conflicting. Um, and one of them is quite I think harder to manage. But the problem in the past and and I think Patrona brought it up well people started out I was down here for Sean's presentation when he presented his um Valley Plaza. I I thought give him the benefit of the doubt sounded okay. He couldn't manage it. You put it put stuff out on social media and then hundreds of people show up and or it gets around and then we've got unmanageable situation. It happened at the Harlem Nights and I was down here several times on that. Same thing happened with them and then they spread out into the neighborhood and then we have incidents. So, it's not the the person, the applicant, it's the situation. And I what what I'm worried about is with all these offsite parking lots where she has to manage all that and she's got to get people to them and back and party buses and whatever that that's a huge operation that that's a major oper I wouldn't be able I I ran a business, but I I would not be able to manage that. But anyway, um, so I think

it's going to quickly become overwhelming. And now it's the entire neighborhood that you got involved. You got all the way down to Senica Turnpike, you got the middle of the neighborhood, you got up north, you got all that, you got all three locations going on and I'm maybe more. Um, just a a little comment. Um, about the liquor license. I'm not sure if you can have liquor through a vendor without a liquor license, but she mentions that. So, she mentions having a vendor for liquor at certain events. I'm not sure about that situation, but liquor in the parking lots, liquor all around on the outside, whether it's in the venue, outside in the gathering, that's what causes the problem. So, that's um I don't know what she's saying about the vendor. Um I just want to say that if you guys approve this again, you approve the Valley Plaza restaurant, you approve the Harlem Nights eventually and they and Harlem Nights kept operating just the way it was before. All right. And then we end up having to monitor and report over and over again. Call the police. Police don't know about the fire limits. They don't know about the parking limits. um the codes is not there at night and we end up being the ones having and the other neighbors and they're not all here tonight that have done this or had to do this or record videos, send them to codes, then we become the ones that are in the experiment and and we're the ones that have to deal with it. So I'm I'm really bringing it

up. Seriously, it's the second time. This is the third one. Sounds very good, very optimistic. I want to be that way, too. We We just have not found that to be true. And I got up here and I actually supported one of these one of these locations. So, um, I put us I'm we Ron and I have talked about having an event center incubate incubator where the city would actually have the venue and you could run out to people that want to run these event centers and there's a lot of people that want to run these kind of places and then have monitored parking somewhere. All right. Where the city deals with it and the police are there and whatever and then we don't end up with all these things going on into the neighborhoods and I suggested we we were talking about the Sears building which I know is being developed for another purpose but in other places now we got Duncan Bright leaving. Um I'm just making a suggestion. We've had all these going on. And I don't know if I know there are other ones that go on in other neighborhoods, but somewhere where people could get actually get their feet wet doing it, an incubator is a is a place where they take businesses in and get them started. So, I'm making that suggestion. Um, again, yeah, I'm going to end.

Okay. So the location is bad, the idea is good. Let's make let's make a place where this can happen, where we won't have so many conflicts in such crazy attempts to accommodate the parking and all the other stuff that is going on. And you know, we've got a huge parking lot at Valley Plaza and they won't let anybody use it. And they won't let anybody use it because we've had incidents. So, are we going to end up spreading this out? And that's the question I have. Thank you. Thank you. Are there other speakers in opposition?

Hi, my name is Rhonda VC. I live at 117 Synica Drive in Syracuse. I don't live far from the Valley Plaza. And with all that has been said, um first of all, I admire Miss Brown um first of all for just being a strong entrepreneur black woman. Yes. Um we do need more places. We do need more opportunities for our youth. Uh we do need places where we can experience a good time. Unfortunately, we're setting her up for failure. Um, I oppose the event center at 410006 South Salena Street. It doesn't fit. She needs a place where she can have ample parking. She needs a place where she can do exactly what she says she can do, spoken and affirmed by the people that have affirmed for her, not only just today, but the last time. But this doesn't fit. And now we're going to set her up to have people sprawling all the way down the Cynica turnpike. This is wrong. It's backwards. It's It's taking away the goodness of what her whole plan is all about. If we do this, if you let it pass, it's it's it's crazy. Let her let her be a strong black woman who gets the kind of help that she needs, the right help, not just peace meal her in a spot with only eight parking spaces and and sprawling people up and down the street in the middle of the night. That's not the kind of help she needs. That's not the the kind of thing we want to do to the community. We've already been through this. I don't even have to repeat that part. We've been through this. God bless this good intention. But the incubator, she, a matter of fact, she needs to be the new nighttime mayor that they're looking for. So, let that happen. But in this case, it's so crazy

that we're trying to agree to disagree for what's wrong. That's crazy. It doesn't fit. Let her be set up in the right way. The other two young men that had their places, unfortunately, they didn't get set up in the right way and things never got happened. Things never got off the ground the way it should have in order for them to run their businesses as entrepreneurs, as an event center or a sports bar. Never got to happen that way. And unfortunately, two people lost their lives. Don't set her up like this. don't don't have all these people down here backing her up, speaking of her goodness, and then we don't tell her the truth about what she really needs to do to have a good event space and a good start cuz this just doesn't fit. It doesn't fit the location and and putting pressure on her to get people down the street, back up the street. People going to do what they're going to do. You can't stop that. She all her good intentions ain't going to stop somebody from doing what's in their brain when they're when you're out just trying to have a good time. Everybody wants to have a good time. We want to have a place to have a good time. Let's help her find the place. Let's help her get the parking spaces. Let's help her get what she needs to set up, the liquor license, the the the entertainment license, and all those things. Let let this be quality and not inequality with blemishes and people that die because we're not trying to p just pass it through. Give it to her. Let the black woman have it. But it it ain't it ain't a good space. Let's help her find THE RIGHT SPACE. WHAT ELSE IS there in the community that has that much parking that's not going to have her trailing traffic buses up and down Sena Street where she's not even even going to have no SHE WON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT happened

at 1:00 a.m. in the morning if something does jump off. It's not how you do it. And and if we're in the position to be be holding the coins for what needs to be done, right, then let's let's allow it to be held in the right way. My three minutes are up. That's what I came up here to say. Thank you.

Thank you. Are there other individuals wishing to speak? Doesn't appear so um in opposition. We had th those in favor and so the applicant has an opportunity briefly if you wanted to address some of the comments in opposition but please please keep it brief. Thank you.

Couple of the comments that I did want to address is no one's no one's forcing me I remember my attention to you guys. No one's forcing me to do these things. I feel like as building owners and business owners that have been around that property for a long time, if we work together as a community, then we will be able to achieve all of these goals. Um, another thing aside from that is I have receipts for everything that I pay for. I don't feel like my finances are a part of this conversation. I mean, I've been here, this is what my third time here, probably fifth court date, and I haven't had anyone else or heard anyone else speak about finances. Um, another thing is it is my certain to make sure that everybody is safe at every event or every training course that I do because I do have multiple certifications and as I said before, I am willing and looking to share all of my knowledge. That's all. Hey, thank you.

Before you go, um, I have a question. Did you consider any other sites?

No, I didn't because I wanted to stick within my community where I was born at. I was I was born and raised in 305 West Pleasant A in that area. And then that that building is owned by minority. Sometimes it takes for you to look like the people that you're trying to pass the message to. I feel like right now people are looking at the messenger and not taking in the message and the messages to give on for our youth provide be able to create, you know, generational wealth for our skin tone. You know, it hurts to see, you know, people of my color that been through my struggles go back so hard to try and, you know, paint it out as this picture as if I'm a victim because I'm planning on going back to my community where I know people that look like me have experienced some of the things that I have. I don't want to feel as though I'm wrong for doing that. I mean, it would be no problem for me to go downtown and find a space and rent, you know, downtown, but that's that's not creating general wealth for my community.

Okay. But then my question to the to that response is the neighborhood a a portion a large portion of the neighborhood has spoken that although they love the idea of an event center they are not in love with the idea of an event center at that corner in that particular building.

And another thing that I've been hearing is the age group. There's there's no age. It's not like it's you know only for 16 to 18. I'm speaking I can like the same knowledge that I have. I obtained all of my certifications. Um I believe between 18 and 22. Um I've also seen adults your age go to college and go to trucking school. Some some people don't even have high school diplomas or equivalencies. You know what makes it different? Is it different because a black man owns the building that I'm leasing or I I don't understand that portion and I don't feel like that is my place to make that call. Uh but what I can

but let me just say on that I I don't think that's the relevancy that people are addressing. I think what they're addressing is the concern that there's an event center with great ideas. I mean I don't I'm paraphrasing here. What would be the difference if I did it downtown? It would be the same thing. And well, there's lots of public parking garages within the downtown vicinity. But be that as it may, that's not necessarily the discussion. Right. Right. The discussion is

that it is in a lot of people's view the wrong location for the right idea. I think as Rhonda stated and so my question is did you pursue any other locations? Do you think that

I stated before that I actually went over to that same exact plaza right across the street and I was going to try and you know open it up but my my main thing is to give back knowledge to my community and as an oh sorry and as adults you know we should be trying to pass knowledge down you know in any ways I mean I'm not I'm not begging for nobody to give me any support when it comes down to purchasing a building or when it comes comes down to finances period. You know, I'm giving you guys a promote a not a ultimate. Sorry, I'm getting nervous again. Um, I'm giving you guys a a pure strike plan that everything is going to go step by step by step. The same way that zone presented everything to me um stating that I need to have per code, I am in code. So, and I haven't violated and I hope for certain that what they're saying is not true because I feel like that is setting me up for failure, you know. Yes.

Close public comment. May I join please? I apologize for my late ran. Can you sum up quickly? Yes. Do your comments in three minutes, sir. Gladly. Okay, great. I just want to be in support. Please give your name and address for the record and then

Lawrence Davis, owner of said property. Um, I wanted to support the young lady. Um, she came with a plan. I think it's planned. First of all, first and foremost, the property is legal. The property has been approved um on the first level by the um the zoning department for the intended use. Um the parking was in fact satisfied for its intended use which is a parking space. She has went above and beyond that. She has also put forward a plan to utilize a pickup service when when there's going to be over over um abundance of parking cars. she put forward a plan to be able to pick it up. I also have another property. I've given access to her to be able to park overflow traffic and pick up the customer from there if they need be to make their way back um to the property. So, I think she covers and she already had two agreement before with previous owners of property that she that could um accommodate at least another 20 cars at each location. So, um, and then my property, my other property can accommodate at least another 15, maybe push a 20, but let's say 15, um, vehicle and and and you guys have ran the bottom business out of out of the out of that location that already had five parking space. The city have closed him down, doing their good their good work, killing a small minor business, been around for 10 years. Another sad case. We need to have things in our own community. We need to have what we need so we don't go looking. You do not want black folks downtown. A matter of fact, you don't want us downtown. And it it's it's we won't have what we want in our community. We are doing it. Don't stop us. We're trying to do it legally. Don't stop us. We We have been sitting waiting for the last year and a half trying to put this

thing together. We have we have given you everything that you say you want and you're still using the opportunities to delay and slow. Please, the opportunities now. The decay is around us. You could watch it go down. I have seen it. I've seen it downtown and our community has been decaying for a very long time. And now we have invested it and we're taking up a step by step to build what we need. Thank you. Can I ask the uh district counselor if she minds coming up and answering a question?

In your opinion, are there other adequate sites or an event center of this type? as an example. Yeah, absolutely. In the commun in your community.

Yeah, there are multiple um spaces in the community um broadly. Um however, it does narrow down based on what she's um wanting to appeal to, which is renting from a minority individual eventually person from purchasing from a minority individual. So that in itself narrows her her scope down. Outside of that, there are a plethora of other locations that offer more parking. Um, Cynica Turnpike and Valley Drive Plaza where the Family Dollar, you know. Well,

not I'm not sure. I'm talking about like the space. um like there's there's spaces. Um but again to the one caveat that she is mentioning that narrows her whole her scope. Um but I do want to just say that um we are not suggesting that she go downtown. We're just stating that that location is not the location um that this needs to happen in. And I do hope that she can, you know, eventually get to a space um that fits all of her needs without the um need for all of the excessive uh other protections. Um but that's that's where I Yeah. So, any other questions?

No, thank you. All right. Thank you. No, we we've we've closed the public comment now. We're not going to have back and forth. Yeah. Right. She did in response to a question from the commission member.

Um so we're we can proceed with our um take a review. I have a question for the zoning administrator. Did the application include the parking require the off-site parking agreement? Do we have them? Has somebody seen those? It's in the packet. We don't uh Yes, it's in the packet uh in a couple different places. And some of the letters agreements are in there as well. The agreement with the uh parking the owners of the parking lots that are being used.

All right. It's in the material for the meeting tonight that is online if anybody wants to review it.

Other comments by the commission members? If then if not then I suggest we proceed to seek review and see if there's a motion for action on the major or minor site plan review. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SECRA? No. No.

Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for the seeker review? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Thank you. Thank you. Discussion on the seeker motion. If there is none, then all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Secret motion carries for the site plan review. Um, at this point, we may now act upon the site plan review. If there's a motion to be advanced for action either way,

in consideration of the application, staff analysis and the discussion during this hearing, I find the application in compliance with the major site plan review criteria and make a motion to approve application MASPR-25-36 um as presented with 10 conditions. And so I want to emphasize that the 10 conditions are in place in order to ensure that uh this project can operate at this properly safely and within the bounds of uh the law and of the uh zoning criteria. And if any of these conditions are not met, the uh business will neither be able to open or if it opens and the conditions are violated, then a business will be closed. We understand the concerns of the neighborhoods. We understand the concerns of the people who are in favor of open opening the business and we want to make sure that it can be successful. If it operates at this location, we understand the problems with this location and the purpose of the conditions is to ensure that if the conditions are met then it can operate safely. If the conditions are not met then the project will not be able to go forward or if it goes forward and conditions are violated it will be uh terminated or closed. So the conditions are one the applicant shall comply with the general approver for the all major site plan review applications. That material is included in the packet uh which is online. Uh two, the proposed business shall not use amplified speakers to project music outside and should control any speaker volume inside so as not to violate the city of Syracuse uh uh noise ordinance. Three, the proposed business shall follow the operation hours which have been deemed appropriate by the city planning commission. Those hours are Monday through Friday from 6:30 p.m. to 12 and Saturday through Sunday from 400 p.m. to 12. Four, the pro the owner and

applicant must have uh concrete filled ballards ballors in place as shown in the site plan at all times to define driveways and prevent errant parking from reversing into the city right of way. Five, the property owner and applicant shall repave the on-site parking area and driveway with asphalt or concrete. The appropriate permit for site works shall be obtained within 3 months and pavement work shall be completed within 6 months of the approval date of this zoning application. Six, the owner of the events the event center business shall ensure that all alcohol and tobacco sales and services on the premise are performed exclusively by appropriate licensed providers. Seven, the property owner shall maintain all existing landscaping buffers along the western boundary in good condition. Should any portion of the buffer die or be removed, the owner must replant the area in accordance with the site plan. Eight, no on-site vehicle parking shall encroach into the public rightway without an encroachment permit. Nine, the property owner shall remove the existing shipping containers on the site. Outdoor garbage storage areas shall be located in the rear of the principal structure, and goods or materials shall not be stored in areas intended for vehicular or pedestrian circulation. 10. The owner of the event center business shall implement and monitor the effectiveness of the parking management plan as detailed in the application materials and parking and loading demand study. A failure to fully implement and maintain the operation of the parking management plan may result in revocation of the approval of the uh application. Those are the 10 conditions.

Thank you.

Sure. Uh the I would like to consider amending the Monday through Friday hours to term at 11 p.m. rather than midnight. Understanding that there is an opportunity to always come back and address through the zoning administrator or this board uh an extension of the hours but I think 11 for starting is adequate time. Um I think also there we were pretty clear on the alcohol but um we have to be very clear that the alcohol violations will cause an automatic gravocation of your use and your allowable use in that property. Um sorry

if there is any alcohol or tobacco provided it needs to be provided by a vendor who is licensed to do that. Uh it can't occur in the event space unless it is a licensed provider of that service. Good. Okay, Shaqula. Okay. Um that's it. Those two 12 all together then if I'm keeping count. Okay. A dozen. Um second. Sorry. Second and the make. Well, actually the the time is just changing when it's already there. So uh And the tobacco and alcohol is already there as well. We're just clarifying that. So, it's really not any additional numbers. It's

10 and one modified. Well, I I think that also um we should consider if the maker would consider that there be an entire review of the use, the parking plan, etc. after one year to to determine if it's working, if the neighborhood is accepting, if it's etc., etc.

Okay. Right. Just to emphasize with respect to the entertainment licenses, not putting that in as a condition because you may or may not be doing that. But if you are going to have live entertainment, you do have to have a entertainment license. So you can either do that immediately or you can wait until you have to you decide you're going to do it. Okay. So you have heard you have heard the neighbors. Um we have heard the neighbors.

I understand. I understand. But I will say this. If it's approved, this will be the first event center approved by this board. So there will be a lot of eyes on this business model in your neighborhood. Okay. Yes. But it's I it it I hope that it will be very successful. Okay. Sorry.

I just like to express my appreciation for the young folks who have come out to participate in the government process. It's very important to do that. I'm very pleased that you did that regardless of what the outcome of this is and hope you consider doing that more in the future for other events that you're not necessarily personally involved in. Further discussion and the maker of the motion was good with those changes. Okay. Any additional discussion in that case? All those in favor of the motion on the floor, please indicate by saying I. I.

Uh those opposed, please say nay. Uh any abstensions? The motion carries. I think that's the first time we've had uh participatory motions. Um thanks all. Um we have more business to do. So, if you're leaving at this point in the meeting, please be quiet because we do so quietly um because we still have some additional business to take care of tonight. Or you can stay and participate in the additional business. I need support.

Quiet. Quiet. Okay, Jake. I think we have one more. Yes, one more. Uh, major site plan review MASPR-25-37 at 5300-02 South Salina Street in the MX1 zone district. Hello. How are you? Ahmed, 5300-2 uh South Salina Avenue. How are you guys? Good, thank you.

Good to see you again. Hopefully you have a glad time when you retire and we can see you back again here. How are you guys? Um I think last time we talked about it we cleared a lot of thing. Um we talk with Jake and uh zoning modified a lot of stuff. So do you guys want me speak or you guys have any question or how you guys want to do that? Maybe Jake could kind of summarize more succinctly um the status where we stand right now and what may have changed since our previous meeting on this topic.

Yes, thank you for the reminder. Um uh so for the record I wanted to clarify that um after further review and after uh further communications with the owner and applicant um it's been decided that this uh use more closely aligns with the office land use type in the code. So um that is a slight change to this uh proposal but based on review staff is recommending uh that this be changed to an office land use type which is also permitted by right in MX1. Um so so that's one of the the big changes. Um but also uh that um I think the sticking points from the last meeting are in regards to the front uh the asphalt in the front um and the sidewalks um and just the general uh improvement to the rear parking area and maintaining you know the screening etc. Um I think that's it.

Okay. Thank you. Uh do you wish to add to that update?

Um like uh maybe I'll add one. I'm not like going um take long. After last event together here, I found a lot of uh illegal dumps in my backyard. Where is the parking lot? Huge picture. I can show it to you guys. like uh 60 ft by 40 foot uh swimming liner like which is I need I need two pickup truck to clean that load. Um it look like somebody did it in Berbispa. What I'm want to mention now we are adding a cameras and hopefully we can catch those people and we can going after them for the damage they cost me. There is tires there is sofa. I never see something like that. Literally happened after that meeting. We start founding those trash dumb illegal trash. Um the city I contact them and nobody can do anything. I have to go clean the mess which is really sad. So like um again you know it's between me and whoever did that and hopefully we can we can show we can show

uh we can hold them accountable whoever did that.

So this is This is a smooth line. I need two people to remove the move and this is like a bed and all of this trash coming from nowhere which is again you know I'm going to hopefully add a camera and because the tenant cannot do that right now until until he moved in it will be his responsibility but for that time it look like I have to do something we call the cops we report we make a report but unfortunately there is no no like a crimes at that time it's only uh illegal dumps uh other than that I will be happy to work with you guys and move forward and see what you guys think. Thank you very much. No no no further unless if you guys have a question for me.

Uh yeah couple of questions. Yes. First of all, I think that the the change to an office designation helps clarify some of the issues that were brought forward in the last time by uh the residents that were commenting on the property who seem to misunderstand what it what it is. And the office space designation seems to be a much better designation for what this will be. And in understanding that, I want to clarify to make sure that by and large only people that will be coming there will be having appointments to sit down and review uh you know the options for their roof replacement etc. It's not going to be like walk-in retail operation whatsoever. Is that correct?

So again um if you see a sign and you are interesting on roof would you stop by and talk about it? So that the the the reason is going to be open uh also uh have to be uh appointment also but also we are open for public if somebody sees the sign hey roofing company I would like to see what you guys have in offer so it is it is going to be like also uh Watkins welcome. Yes. Okay.

Okay. So that that uh so I didn't understand that before. Uh so then one of the questions I have about that is there is no signage that is approved as part of this project right now. Now I understand that there's a large sign on the building that is covered over with a white uh canvas, but I can see through the canvas that that white sign is a sign for the roofing company. So if that's what you're you're referring to, that's not approved as part of this project. No, no, we didn't do anything here. There is no sign. Well, there's a sign there. I saw it. I was down. This is this is a white sign only.

Yes. But underneath that is a sign for the roofing company. Uh I can see through the white what is underneath it. And in fact somebody showed us an image of that two meetings ago when it was up for review. That that is the sign is um sorry Patron Jones Rouser counselor for district. That sign is the old sign that was up there that they covered up after the last Facebook sign. Facebook sign. That's what it is. Okay. So, so um so I guess people are assuming that it's a new sign. It was a old sign. So there covered an old roofing company there before. At one point

there had been a previous roofing company. I'll look for the sign. Right. Well, right there is whatever we up here. Okay. This sign. So, so to be I think to be clear that the issue really is whatever signage is going to be on the front of the building to for displaying the tenant in the building will have to be approved. Yeah. Yeah. It's not in the project right now. There's no signage approved in the project. Yes. Okay.

We talk about it and uh there is um rules for the sign and we're going to Yeah. like yeah but again whatever what whoever show you that it wasn't it wasn't like I w I I drive today there and this is what this is what it looked like okay that's that's that's fine I got covered okay right and it's cover the old sign will have to come down anyway yeah so that's that's fine I mean I don't want to belabor the point about what's up there or not but there is a thing there and there is no signage that's approved for the project right now so you mentioned that if people were driving by and they see the signing That's not approved right now as part of the project. So, so I just want to clarify that

we need to talk to the zoning and we go through the the sign. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. So, the other thing is uh could you pull up the image for it's on page uh 63

that was computerenerated. Yeah. from the other last minute something that they put on the

Yeah, that's why I couldn't tell when they showed that what what it was, but no, looking through what's covered up right now, there is something behind it. I understand the explanation that you that you've given. Uh so with respect to this image, I you know, it's I don't know what the inside is like, but it strikes me that this could be a very attractive property uh if it's properly maintained and you know, there's a business operating, etc. My concern is with respect to the front space, which right now is all uh uh black top. You have to put a sidewalk in there anyway to work with the city across the front and it has to go around the corner because there's no curb cut on the corner and for a couple of feet down the other side. So, uh rather than just putting a sidewalk in, it it's our my strong belief that you should just put grass in there and make it the kind of attractive property that it needs to be uh for the future rather than just putting in a sidewalk. So our recommendation as a uh a condition would be that the uh mck the blacktop that's there right now be replaced with sidewalk appropriate paths and grass.

That would be nice. Uh again dig it up anyway for for sidewalk. So you might as well just put

but the sidewalk uh get approved and hopefully we can take the tax back money on it. So it's a city city like again I I I get a little bit confused about the sidewalk and uh why the tenant or why the owner why the people have to do sidewalk and why it's not me like this is a very big big deal. I don't know why you guys think of that why why people say I should be responsible for the sidealk but again again again with me I want to move forward I will accept couple thing to do as me and I will wish the city will help me on the other side of that it's a public safety when you talk about public safety and we already paid the tax and this is the tax going to some of these uh funds I'll be happy to work with with the city about it. But now with with the grass, the grass I would love to. But the area, all of it, all of it, the area it's doesn't look right. And I wouldn't make it look right. I promise you. Now, if I have the budget to do that, it will be up to how is the business going? I've been shut down almost for 4 years trying to get the right people there so I can have money to invest it back on the building. But if people doesn't keep stabbing me, how I can go back and invest this building. I am out of bucket for a lot of money, which is okay. I'm not going to be complain about it. But yes, I will be happy to work on it. The sidewalk need to be done. Yes, we agree. Um adding flowers, adding grass, adding multiple thing. You know, this is a lot of expenses. Yeah. Like you have to add lawnmower cares, you have to add people who took care of it. And also it's going to be a kind of muddy because the area I don't know if you've been there. So

I've been there. I was there this weekend looking. Yeah. So the the area is wasn't it's not smooth like it's very it's very like hill like there is elevation of two to three inches. I'm sorry like feet. So between the sidewalk and all the way up.

I don't know how much will cost but it would be nice if if um if I have a grass or some kind of flower. So again, we took to the city zoning and we have those nice good-looking flower bed and the purpose of you guys asking for the grass or the flower to not have people bark on the front. This is what I understand from you guys like if you guys don't need anybody to to bark on the front why we not have nice flower bed which is could be maintained could be you know how hard to maintain like flower on the front a lot of people now with those ideas they're raising a flower bed they don't have to bend all the time you know which is

so there are options for beautifification that can happen but the point is to make the property more attractive and also really to fit with the residents because all those neighborhoods around there are fully sidewalked, you know, have grass planted, you know, everything. So to make it more compatible with the aesthetics of the neighborhood,

unfortunately, like I understand, but it's not it's a business. It's not home. The home owners have all the time to take care of these. I'm only there 8 hours, 7 hours. Would would you want me to come in a week, hire a company to take care of these? When we talk about Yes. the houses they have to have a grass. They cut the grass every week. Um would you would you want me to add some work on the tenant to I tell him hey you have to take care of the crash again you know in the first between you and the tenant sure you can do that as a contract with the

tenant as as a business as a business we expect to be it's a business looking uh like when you when you mention houses is a little bit different than business so I'm expecting my business to be more clean more smooth in the front than adding grass and have more of uh work in the front. Businesses like when you go to Walmart and Home Depot and all these big big huge people, they having flower bed in the front or something to show hey this is look good and houses. Yeah, my house have a lot of flower in the bed and I take care of it almost every day. So this is I said the difference between business and houses and flower bed will be easy for me to maintain easy for me to like have annual annual flower come come back every year and it will be like a clean and better looking than is felt right now.

Thank you. Thank you. My turn. Okay, let's go back to that. Yes sir. So the code in the city does not allow asphalt front yards. Mhm. Anywhere, home, business, private residence, public residence, any place. Asphalt is not your front yard. Your front yard is asphalt. Mhm. So who approved it? Not allowed by God. Like again, it might have been approved 30 years ago. I can't talk about that cuz I That's a new asphalt. But the asphalt is not allowed as a front

piece. So I believe to Commissioner Lent's point, it has to have grass on the front with a compatible sidewalk that takes the corner. Um, I understand that that's an expense. That's an investment, but ultimately, no matter who your tenant is in that property, that will have to be the code, the grass. So you mean flowers would be great too but so you mean there is no grandfathering thing like if somebody did it like so anyone who's having a spelt in the front they have to remove it what about concrete has to remove it it's either am I right Jake

Jake so for purposes of try to move this

may um you know this is a a commercial building um adjacent to residential it is zoned MX1 one as part of reszone. Um what's on the screen before us is a um and we put this in the packet to compare it to the applicant's proposed site plan which does not include what's in the front here. If you can scroll back up um no back up to what was on the screen. Um this this was approved by public works and by DPW as a prior site plan approval and it it's a good depiction of what is uh what can be permitted at this location. Now, if you scroll down to the applicant site plan review, um that is not in compliance with departmental comments with public works, transportation, um with what would comply with the the zoning code that's in place to date. I can't speak to the history of it. Um it was probably done illegally. uh and that's unfortunate but um as owners seek new development and new approvals through uh governing bodies like this that is the time when these things get called out for uh to be updated and complied with. So, um I don't know if that answers the question, but yeah, this is this would not satisfy the comments and conditions in the staff report or from the departmental reviews, which this isn't up to Jake Dishaw or Commissioner Lent like these things get looked at by multiple city reviewing departments for compliance with multiple ordinances, rules, and regulations and laws that are on the books and that includes this. So, um, to your point, uh, Commissioner Murphy, like doing so would would benefit the owner to have a compliant, uh, site plan and layout that doesn't have any deficiencies, um, or any non-conforming site features. So, um, there is a cost to that and I I understand that, but, um, these are things that, and I'll remind the board

that we recently had something similar to this on the north side on Pond Street and we made them do the same thing. Yeah. Um it was a store that had a similar setup and we made them put in uh curbing sidewalks, grass, lead walkways up to the entry point. Um it's it's something that's been consistently provided as a comment from Department of Public Works um to fix those sort of deficiencies. So, we just had a property uh with a sign auto and get a street that had no sidewalk will require sidewalk because that's what happens in terms of the sidewalk process to be in compliance with the comprehensive plan. The goal of the city is to have sidewalks everywhere. And so, when properties turn over, that's a natural time to to to do that.

So, a question like um so about the sidewalk when like I understand all that stuff and again, you know, we are here to work together. I I'm not like argue with you guys. So So that sidewalk like why this area doesn't have sidewalk? Like what what's where is the lack of like what who's who's supposed to have hey there is sidewalk missing. Why this property? Because it look like the most valuable concern of the public sidewalk. But like it's multiple years like I don't know how long. It's been long time. why we're not having sidewalk and also there is multiple uh city uh event to adding a sidewalk and not adding a sidewalk. So, so who's the city like who's supposed to be after the sidewalk and why we not having sidewalk? Serious, I just want to learn that like for my own for my own like

the zoning administrator said it's very possible that this was done illegally um with no approval and no fornowledge um from anyone. So, it just happened. doesn't mean it's right. But um as new projects come to the forefront for approval, properties get bought and sold, those are natural points where there's better scrutiny uh from among the city departments and this comes to light uh routinely for us for projects that come to the to this body. Um again there is a six year on the city of Syracuse approval for that building as a show to showroom tiles which is they get approved and they get the use of uh on on the on the website. So when we look it up we found there is already approved on that. But again the question is where is the city at from from the from the from the sidewalk like why they not take opportunity and do it before any other business open that's the question is like the city the city approve the sidewalk like why the city not do the sidewalk that's what I'm asking

I mean I don't want to speak for public works but I'll I'll do my best to maybe guess what I you know there are over 40,000 parcels in the city. Um I don't know what that equates to in miles and miles of sidewalk. If the city had the resources to install sidewalks everywhere they wanted it, it would be done. But that's millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars that that would cost. um when new development is in commercial development in particular like this is proposed um it's been consistently uh a comment that the sidewalks need to be addressed if they were damaged, if they're not there, if they were paved over, if they had illegal taria like this. Um, we the city just doesn't have the resources to install

or the manpower, right? That I mean, again, I'm I'm just giving a straight up answer like that. We're not talking about just Salina Street in the South Valley here. We're talking about the entire city. Um, and an old city too, right? Like some of these sidewalks over a hundred years old. Thank you. It did help me understand. Thank you, J. Thank you. Any other question for me? So the operational hours are Monday through Friday 9 to 5. Is that correct? Uh 8 to 5. 8 to 5. Yes.

You understand that the signage is going to require a new conversation with the zoning? Yes. Um and additionally there are eight or nine other conditions I believe contingent which I believe they have the team has explained. Yes, they did. And it you do understand also that if there's violations to the conditions or the tenant does violate the hours, the dumping, etc., etc., I promise you, I'll be up in it that there will be opportunity for us to revoke the permit and he will be violate the contract between me and him. Um, one more question.

Uh, if you finish, did you? Yeah. Okay. Number nine. Can you uh please go to alteration application to zing to combine the that's the skinny parcel. Yeah. So along the uh the south portion of the building there's a sliver of a separate parcel. So actually it's not only consistent with past practice before this meeting. consistent with conditions of meetings held tonight that uh resubdivisions and or lot alterations are completed when these sort of things are identified. So this doesn't trigger a reubdivision because of the size of the lots,

but it is still uh you need a land surveyor and it's an administrative approval upon review and then filing and all that good stuff still applicable. It just doesn't come before this body. So it's that teeny tiny sliver. If I'm looking at your building to your left, okay, there's a small I think it's 10 ft 12 ft something like that. Yeah, it's on on the south side. It is it is about,200 square ft inside. Um the building the building maybe let me let me wait let's just stay on the lot alteration. So number nine, the condition on number nine, okay,

is that there is a small sliver which Nate's going to find in a second to the left. If I'm looking at your building, it's to the left of your building on the south side. Mhm. 5304. Okay. That teeny tiny sliver. Can Can I show you something where we be able Okay. So that's that's 53 0 which is one the first door. Yep. Uh second it's 532 correct all on one parcel. And the third one the third door is 5304 which is

so you're you're listing mailing addresses andor other addresses. We're talking about legal tax personal addresses for the land. Uh this is a better depiction of it. I I don't think we have this but th this is what we're talking about. This is a satellite view over your property. This it actually goes down the left side of your building. So, this is the stand we're talking about. No, no, no. Look at the screen. Um, that sliver of land right there needs to be combined via a lot alteration process with the main parcel where the where the rest of the structure is to the north. So, I could add it to because first one it's five 530 0.

Okay. a lot. Yeah, you need to combine. It's just an application to the zoning. I just want to understand about you need a land parcel. So basically we're saying those two parcels of land building have to go together as one parcel of land and then your building sits on that one parcel. not to address not to it'll keep the 5300 M02 or whatever it is at the moment. We we'll fix it with them. Surveyor's error whenever it creates it's just a formality. Thank you again. Those are mailing and probably 911 responses.

Thank you. Okay. So that goes to number nine. And what was your next question? Nothing. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So, for those remaining, if there's anyone who would like to speak in favor of this application, please come forward. Provide your name, address, and your comments. Again, Patron Jones Rouser, district counselor. Um,

we're glad to see you here. 123 would have um also 4520 South Street. I um do speak in favor of this um submission. Um I have been involved and engaged since uh a year or so now um due to the last tenant um mishap and um have taken into consideration what the neighbors and the residents in that neighborhood have um expressed. um worked with um I call him Omad. Okay. Cuz I say Moose's brother um Ahmad um to make sure that he understands um certain things that can take place and what's needed. Um he's worked diligently to find the right fit for that property, turning down multiple um uh possible tenants. Um, again including a tattoo parlor that I thought would have been a perfect fit. I don't think they have a lot of traffic. Um, but his religion, they don't allow that. So, he also turned that down as well. So, he himself have, you know, heard the what the residents have expressed. He's made sure to also try to adhere to pleasing them as well. um we will continue to work with making sure that the things that are requested um via the site plan um get done but based on that I do think that given the opportunity for this um particular tenant to you know occupy the space being that it's just a showroom I don't per see that there would be a ton of traffic um and I don't think that some of the other concerns would be an issue the property has been shuttered

for probably close to 20 years or so. Um and so hopefully we can bring it back and um it be a positive uh impact to the community. Okay. Thank you. Other individuals who may wish to speak in favor, please come forward, provide your name and your address and then your comments. 549 West Senica Turnpike.

We have to work with those who wants to build our community. We cannot continue to say no when people are fighting to say yes build our city. So every time I see that I have to rise and speak. So I want to urge support him put into the caveats about what you need and how you need him to operate and if he fails that then I don't tell my grandson not to climb. I tell him be careful while you climb. So I want to carry that over with any of any business and anyone coming to the city of Syracuse saying they want to try something new. We cannot continue with the old ways. It is not working. Okay? We have to come with something new. And we have willing people who's willing to take their money out of their pocket and invest it in building our city. We need to give that to them. We need to give them a chance. And if we still have concern, we need to give him the opportunity and say this is how we need you for do to come along. he seem like he's trying to bend in and and bend in these different ways to satisfy. So, please give the young men the gentlemen opportunity to build and um contribute to our city. That's how we're going to bring new people coming in and new blood to help our city grow and we all get the benefit. Give thanks.

Thank you. Other individuals who wish to speak in favor, please come forward. Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? Please come to the podium. provide your name, address, and comments.

Good evening. My name is Gail Collie and I live on 168 Bmpton Road. I think I'm in a unique position uh that I have 65 years on Harding Place and Bmpton Road and I can talk to when John Louise's Meat Market was there and Carver's store. There was grass in front and we used to play on it before we went into the store. So, there is a history there and it is capable of being done. And I appreciate you trying to bring something back to the neighborhood. And we're not here to be completely negative. We just want it to be a good fit because there's character and pride involved here. And the character of the neighborhood is so critical to all of us that live in that part of the valley. I told my age. I've been there for 65 years amongst many of my neighbors that are sitting behind me that are fairly new to the neighborhood and some of them as long as I have been. So, we're just trying to maintain the character of the neighborhood, keep pride in the properties that are there, and that anything that is being brought into the neighborhood is consistent with what that pride entails. It's having a nicel looking property. It fits with the integrity of the rest of the homes and businesses there, and that our neighbors have as much pride in it is that as we do by keeping the properties well-kept, painted, signage is good. um all the things that we look for in our own homes, we're looking for in any of our neighbors that move in. So, it's not a negative. We're looking for somebody to be a partner with us. We have to replace our own sidewalks. It's part of owning a business. We have to paint. We have to pick up the garbage. I can tell you the number of times that I go out on a weekly basis and clean my yard because it's, you know, inadvertently come through and those type of things. It's not negative. It's not always on purpose, but it's my responsibility as a city uh neighbor and citizen. So,

that's all we're looking for. We wish you luck. We want you to be successful, but we want a good neighbor. Um and my finally, I would ask the commission if unfortunately if something were to happen and the business changed, how would we address it? what were the mechanisms for the neighbors to move forward and say, "Hey, it was an office. It's not being operated as an office." Now, we just like to know what that mechanism is and know that the pride in the neighborhood is going to call you out on it if that's the case. So, that's what we're looking for and I wish you luck and we do need the tools to make sure that we maintain the integrity of our space. Thank you.

Say something about enforcement. Yeah. So, what I would suggest is um if you choose to make a decision and uh with conditions is to be specific that you're approving the use for office for this uh specific company and that any change in that would require uh a new site plan review. Um, and if that's not followed, it would make the approval null and void, which would then cause uh code enforcement to uh close or shutter the business or the or the structure, I mean, location.

Good evening. My name is Kadijah Osborne. I live at 165 Bmpton Road. I've been a homeowner since uh about 16 years and I right now need a sidewalk that I'm going to put in. So, I understand that. I just want to reiterate that we want his business, his property to be successful. We do want the aesthetics around the property to be in place, flowers, sidewalk and up to-date, no garbage, and just to keep the community the way it is. I moved into that com community instead of clay because of how it is. It's very family oriented. It's a good community and I wanted to stay that way. Thank you. Thank you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak? Uh who are we now in opposition to the application? Is everyone had their opportunity? It appears so. Um you have the opportunity if you wish to address comments in opposition. Um if you choose to exercise that I would ask that you do it briefly and just

I just want to thank everybody uh concern question. Hopefully we can work together. Thank everybody. Thank you guys. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. Hopefully we'll do the best you know like we have a contract. Um if the tenant did not apply with those contract we will have the decision of terminate those contract and I done it before I'll do it again. If there is anything did not f me fit me or fit the community I will shut down the contract and start over again. There is nothing will hold me from doing that again. Um the dumb trash it's against the law. should not anyone even if you throw something from your car that will damage the city that will damage everything. There is there is a law for that and I recommend and I'm telling everybody hopefully nobody will do it to me but I still will go clean it and hopefully if there is something like that I will go after those people and have them to be held accountable for the law. So if somebody seen it okay to throw trash and again this is it's a major thing you know because I have to come every week to look at the property if somebody throw trash and he think it's okay I think they have to be held accountable which is hopefully I will manage this with cameras and all that. Other than that thank you guys. Thanks for the zoning. Thanks for the councils and appreciate everybody work with me.

Thank you. So, we'll close public comment on this application. I think we can turn our attention now to the seeker review. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderates large impact under SECRA? No. No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part 3 accordingly.

Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for our seeker review? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Thank you. Thank you. Discussion on the seeker motion. If not, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstensions? Seeker motion carries. And we can now entertain a motion for the minor uh for the site plan review for this property at 5300 South Salena Street. Uh before making a motion, I just want to note that part of what's happened here is that there's a long history with this property has nothing to do with you. And so at the previous meeting when we had all the public comments, they were expressing sentiments really based on bad ownership in the past that you now unfortunately have to deal with, but you have an opportunity to deal with it and turn it into a property that's desirable for for everybody. And the whole point of the conditions is to ensure that that happens so that we have a property that fits in the neighborhood that the neighbors like, that's compatible, that's safe and legal to operate. Uh so the other question before we go into motion though, so we have done this limited uh restriction before. We recently just did it a couple of weeks ago with a greenhouse where the only if that business went out of operation. The only thing that could go there would be the same business unless it went through a full plan review. I'm not sure that's entirely necessary in this case, although I'm willing to do it because if we were to do that, it would have to be specific to an office. There may be other very compatible uses, land uses that could go in there that would be compatible for the community. So, I'm not sure either way whether we want to do that or not. It's just a question I have.

I think that the neighborhood would appreciate the notification of a change in use in the structure. It not to say if it it that it's bad, but that the notification it's no longer the roofing company. It's now the Kathy Murphy office as an example is I think a fair request. Do we agree? Disagree. If Murphy ice cream shop it is everybody will go for the ice cream.

Okay, Barry. So in consideration application staff analysis and discussion during this hearing I find the application in compliance with major site plan review criteria and make a motion to approve MASPR-25-11 as presented with now 12 conditions. Uh the first condition being that the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval of all site plan reviews. Uh that uh information is uh included in your packet. Uh, two, the existing parcel area situated in front of the subject adjacent building South Street shall not be used for vehicle parking. Three, curbing and landscaping within the front setback shall be installed to prevent vehicles from entering or parking within the public sidewalk area. Four, the property owner shall work with the Department of Public Works to restore the sidewalks on the property. Five, the parking area located on the west of the existing building shall be restriped to clearly demonstrate the uh each parking space. Six, the parking area on in the rear including the drivers within the adjacent parkle parcel shall be curbed with 6in nonmountable blacktop curbing or with wheel stops. Seven, the parking area shall be screened on all sides with adjacent or um face lands zoned or used for residential purposes by by any evergreen hedge planted initially. Any proposed lighting of the subject premises, including the subject building, shall be designed, constructed, and maintained so as to prevent any direct glare of light beyond the boundaries of the subject parsible at 3 feet on center and 4 feet in height. Eight. Any proposed lighting to the subject pre premises, including the subject building, shall be designed, constructed, and maintained so as to prevent any direct clear lights beyond the boundary of the subject parcel. Nine, a lot lot application shall be submitted to the office of zoning

administration within 12 months to combine properties located at uh 5304 South Street and 5300-02 South Street and Rosemont Drive into one lot. The imposed approvements to the subject parcel including landscape shall be completed within one year of the approved date of the resolution that includes the recommendation with respect to sidewalks and uh planning of grass etc. The proposed businesses shall strictly follow the operation hours which are deemed appropriate by the city planning commission which is 8 to 5 and 11. The proposed business shall strictly follow the operation hours. I'm sorry I just already did that. Um and 12 uh is this approval is specifically for an office land use type for a roofing company and if the tenant changes the business changes there needs to be approval of a new project plan.

Thank you. Just clarify, um I think you mixed up you read uh seven and eight maybe twice or combined, but just clarify seven is for the ever evergreen hedges uh initially at 3 ft on center and 4t in height and eight is um uh that lighting uh is is not glaring onto adjacent property. Yes, thank you for that clarification. And is there a second? Second.

Discussion on this motion? If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Uh, site plan is approved for the 5300 block of South Salena Street. Thank you. Thank you guys. Um do we have any other items to come before us tonight? We do not. In that case, is there a motion to adjurnn? Move to adjurnn. Second. I'll second that. Second. Okay.

Discussion. All in favor, please say I. Oppos? Nay. Abstensions. We are journ until May 16.