Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

[Music] I call to order the June 11th meeting of the McGomery County Plan Commission. And Mr. Lincolnis, if you'll perform roll call. Mr. Croll here. Mr. Miller here. Miss Sharp Robinson here. Miss Simkins here. Mr. Waltz here. Mr. Workman here. Mr. Lincolnis is here. Vice Chair Foster here. Chair Rice here. Uh let's see. You have before you the agenda. We're looking for approval. So move. Second. Got a motion. Second. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Oppose. Likewise. And then the consent agenda consists of uh the minutes from March 19th, April 9th, and May 14th. We're looking for approval of the consent agenda. Mr. Chairman, do we need to divide the question because several of us are going to have to abstain from one or the other? So I have been told in the past that you do not have to abstain even if you were not at the meeting especially now that our meetings are televised. Um but if that is your purview and you would like to do that you can. So moved approval of all three. So we have a motion second for approval of the consent agenda. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. those post likewise. And then we will move into public hearing. Uh it's a request by Black Diamond Resources LLC. The agent is Foresight Design Services for a special use permit to allow a clean Earth field area exceeding 15,000 cubic yards and a contractor storage yard. And I understand that we would uh if we make

take any action, it will be two separate. That is correct. Two separate SUPs. That's correct. Yes, that's right. Please. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. Before you, we have our vicinity maps on the left. It shows the the star is the location of the site which is kind of central to the county and located right outside the town of Christiansburg jurisdictional lines. And on the right is a zoomed in portrait of that showing the location and the town lines is in blue and you can see 460 there as well as 81 interchanges. Excuse me. Here's an aerial photography of the site outlined in yellow. Um, as you can see through here is the railroad. Here is 460 and then here is the town of Christiansburg jurisdictional line. Here we have the McGomery County zoning map which shows everything in green is agricultural and the yellow is residential R3. And then we have a town of Christiansburg zoning map and the blue is shown as um residential multif family. The orange is industrial and then those brown areas are general business. Black Diamond Resources um has requested two different special use permits. one for a rubble landfill to allow disposal of approximately 2 million cubic yards of inert debris and a contractor storage yard. Tonight we will go over the rubble landfill first, have a public hearing, and then we'll move on into the

contractor storage yard request. The 65.727 acre property is located approximately a half a mile north of Rowan Oak Street and is adjacent to Route 460, Norfick Southern Railroad and the Town of Christiansburg jurisdictional line. The site was used by a previous owner for mass field grading activities for agricultural operations and the grading plan was approved in November of 2017. In April of 2023, the new owner, Black Diamond Resources, purchased the property. The proposed site is an effort to support the owner's contracting business needs, and it will be open to other contractors by appointment only. The proposed hours of operation are 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through Friday. And the project is planned in two phases. Phase 1 is 6.71 acres of fill and phase 2 is 36.40 acres of fill. There is a declared 19.63 acres of open space that cannot be disturbed. We have the definition of rubble landfill which we're all familiar with and the de the definition of an art waste which is the only type of waste that's allowed in the landfill. This is the proposed site plan. In green is the 19 plus acres of open space. The light blue area on the left is the proposed phase one of the project. The yellow area is the proposed phase two of the project. And in the middle there, you can see the detention pond. And this area right here that's kind of a darker yellow is what is existing feel.

We took some photos at the site. On the left is the terminus of Village Lane and the access to the existing fill site phase two. And on the right you can see the access road and a gated entryway is located where my mouse is that will grant access to the fill site and phase two. On the left is the terminus of Village Lane and the access to the field site phase one is the lower drive and the upper drive is um access to apartment units that are also located in the county. The lower driveway is also access to the um residential dwelling that's located at the bottom of the property. On the left is the um Simpson Road culde-ac which is adjacent to the property and you can see that there's a natural vegetative buffer there. And on the right is the Rainbow Street um at the end of the Rainbow Street and vehicular entry to the site is prevented by the use of concrete barriers. On the left is drone photography um of the existing operation you can see in the dirt areas here. And this is also what would be considered phase two of the proposed expanded site. On the right, it just shows that same area from a different view. On the left, the drone footage shows the limits of the property boundaries, including the railroad tracks, which are down here, 460, which is over here, and the residential dwelling is located here in this field that you can see. And that uses the shared access on the right is just another view of

that same property. You can see the railroad tracks down in the corner, 460 on the right, and the home here in the field. And then you can see the existing field site and the detention pond. Here's another um drone footage that kind of shows it from a different view. It shows the entire site. You can see 460, the railroad tracks, and um over here is the property boundary with an adjacent property owner. While we were at the site doing the drone footage, we noticed a dump truck going down the hill. So um I took a picture of the dust that was generated by the truck dumping debris. Dust is a concern, but this dust was after um a rainy few weeks that we had. some of the impacts that we've identified as far as traffic is concerned. Since the site is accessed from village lane that is approximately 65 64 miles from Reno Street, the site access route utilizes town of christensburg roads and the town of Christiansburg noted their concerns for increased dump traffic on the roads quote not originally designed to handle the continuous weight and frequency of the construction traffic. End quote. The town has requested that the applicant provide an engineering analysis to show that the existing road pavement sections are designed to handle the additional weight and frequency of traffic. The applicant in response is not proposing any such analysis and you'll see um those comments and correspondence at your seats. When on site, staff also observed a dump truck driver picking rocks out of the tire tread of his dump truck as he exited to reduce the danger of flying rocks while driving. The applicant estimates that 0 to 30 dump truck trips per day will take place. The town of Christiansburg has

records of previously investigated issues related to mud and rock on the roads in 2018, 2019, and 2021, but none have been reported since the new owner has taken um possession of the property. The site, the proposed site is anticipated to be operational for 40 years. The access route for the trucks um passes through business, industrial, and multifamily zoned areas. Since it doesn't exclusively use town of Christiansburg roads, VOTE has no comments. Environmental impacts identified um or evaluated. Um the site is not located in a FEMA flood hazard area. The storm water management will use the onsite detention facility. When this fill site is full, it will be closed out, capped, stabilized, and reveated with grass. Storm water management will be thoroughly reviewed during the site plan process and would require routine storm water inspections. The site would also require an annual special use permit compliance inspection through our code enforcement office. All areas are that are designated as conserved open space shall remain protected and undisturbed, which was the 19 acres. And um again, when on site, we observe minor dust as a result from dump truck driving to site. But in dry conditions, dust generated would be a concern. And it's worth noting that the fill areas can never be used for future construction. The hours are limited to 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 pm on Monday through Friday per the application. There is an anticipated employee um count of 1 to two on site for grading. Again, multif family residential

dwellings are located immediately adjacent to the site and numerous residential dwellings are located on route into the facility. The town did not indicate any noise complaints that have been received from the existing operation. However, an anticipated increase in noise will be generated from the site and the associated traffic. When on site, staff observed noise from Jake breaking, tailgates um clamoring shut while dumping debris, and then the operation of grading equipment. Lighting for the fill site has not been proposed and a locked gate prohibits vehicular access to the site after hours. Comprehensive plan goals that have been identified. Um urban expansion is what it's is designated as which is a preferred location for new residential and non-residential development which is adjacent to town Blackburg, Christiansburg or the city of Radford. It's intended to be natural expansion areas for uses occurring within the town boundaries and it does promote an entrepreneurial economy. The urban expansion future land use summary further explains that coordination between government, municipalities, residents and land developers is required to accommodate more future development in the urban expansion areas. And here are two um goals that are identified that or encourage coordination between the town and the county. The proposed use would fill a need for clean fill sites in the county as it will keep clean fill out of sanitary landfills and it supports construction activities throughout the county. Additional regulations within the zoning ordinance provide guidance on consideration of these impacts. It is important to mitigate potential impacts on adjacent property owners and

on the infrastructure located within the town. The applicant has proposed not to provide the engineering analysis of the street as requested by the town of Christiansburg. In kind, the town reiterated their response for a core sample on Village Lane to show that the pavement structure can escort the additional traffic and truck loading weights proposed. That correspondence has been provided at your seats. The town of Christiansburg has also asked the planning commission to consider a condition requiring that the applicant quote ensure that village lane pavement structure can accommodate the truck traffic loading. This request was received yesterday and staff has not had adequate time to consult with the county attorney on the physibility of if such condition would be enforceable by county code enforcement. Here are the supplemental regulations that were mentioned before that are um guidelines on whether we can accept the application and additional regulations that would be applied to the site. Staff could not make a recommendation as of this the date of this meeting. Concerns regarding traffic, the adjoining town neighborhood, and town road status have not been satisfied by the applicant, and therefore staff cannot provide a recommendation. If the planning commission recommends approval, however, staff has recommended the following conditions be placed. Use of the site for a rubble landfill cannot extend beyond the boundaries of the area shown on the site concept map prepared by foresight design services dated April 30th, 2025. All boundaries of the approved fill area shall be adequately marked on the property and shall remain in place throughout the time the rubble landfill is in operation. The fill area shall maintain a minimum 75 ft buffer with a 100 ft buffer adjacent to residential areas. This

buffer requirement may be accomplished with existing vegetation and or new plantings and reveation of this perimeter is required if the buffer area is disturbed. The access road shall be maintained in passable condition at all times. The dust management plan shall be in place for the access road and must be provided to the county prior to the approval of the site plan. All permits from other agencies such as DEEQ, Army Corps of Engineers, etc. must be provided to the county prior to approval of the required site plan and hours of operation shall not exceed 7:5 p.m. Monday through Friday and the south site shall be closed on Saturday and Sunday. All adjoining property owners were notified in accordance with county and state codes. Public hearing signs were placed at the property at all of the um Simpson Road, Village Lane, and Rainbow Street. Legal ads were run in the news messenger. Staff has received one letter of concern which was included in your packet last week and additional comments may be received during the public hearing. I am available if you have any questions for me and John Neil the um engineer and Mr. Fibs the applicant are both available for questions if you have any for them as well. Do we have any questions for staff? Kim Quest or actually a couple questions initially. Um, in the staff report, you mentioned that no buildings are allowed on fill sites. Is that a county requirement? I I don't recall seeing that in any of the Where did that What's the basis for that? It would require

because of compaction um no building could take place on top of of any um what's the word I'm looking for? Um unstable possibly unstable ground. Correct. It's not necessarily a zoning code requirement. It's it's a building code requirement. Um, and the building official has said unless they follow specific things and it's limited to specific type of field, which is basically dirt and it's compacted, they would not allow construction on top of that. Okay. Um, on the concept plan, I believe it shows a building. So, that is outside the field area. It is the proposed fill area. Okay. Is that proposed building a byite building or is that part of the contractor's storage yard? It is part of the contractor's storage yard. You are correct. Okay. And it is outside the field site. Got it. And one more um clarification if you could. The um recommended conditions reference the concept plan. Yes. um dated April 30th, but the response letter says that the plan there were some um revisions made to include um adjoining properties. Was that on the concept plan or was that in another document? Because that was after it was the April 30th. So, it was was there is there a revised concept plan after April 30th that incorporates any comments from the town or county staff? There were there were, but the date still read April 30th. So, it may have a revision date, but the origination date was from April 30th.

And if you'd like for that to be clarified. Oh, yeah. Should the planning commission? Yeah. If if the if the um if it does move forward, then I think it would be important to make sure that the reference concept plan incorporates the latest revision of that plan. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Wright. Yes. Could you return to the comments I mean the conditions slide one more and number three. Um, under A, you're just talking about evergreen plantings. You're not talking about deciduous or anything else. That's correct. Evergreen only. Has there been any discussion about uh vegetation planted along 460 to perhaps enhance that welcoming view to um they will be required to to do a 75 foot buffer there as well. A 100 foot buffer would be required along residential areas. Okay. But has there been any discussion of timing when that vegetation may be planted? It would be it would have to be done along with phase one. Correct. Because that is identified as the phase one location. That's all I needed. Thank you. Thank you. Any any further questions for this? Right. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Right. Thank you. And with the applicant there or John? Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the planning commission. Appreciate your time this evening. My name is John Neon. I'm an engineer with Foresight Design Services here in

Christiansburg. Um, I want to touch on a few things. I appreciate uh Kim's presentation there. I think we don't have really have any issues. I would like to request on those conditions that they suggest um two two different u items. One, it says the the days are Monday through Friday. Uh we put in our application Monday through Friday with um special occasions being Saturday. So, they're not certainly not going to be open every Saturday or anything like that, but when there is a when there is a need and a contractor has something, we'd certainly like to be able to utilize a site on Saturdays. and and how exactly you memorialize that in writing, I'm I'm not really sure. Um, an occasional Saturday or maybe even a a certain number of Saturdays per year or something like that to allow a little bit of flexibility uh to be able to serve the needs uh that might come up. Um, so we'd like to make that request. Um and then um also on the buffer yard uh we understand the need for we proposed a a 20 foot a 20 foot wide type 4 buffer uh as was kind of dictated and is in the zoning ordinance. Uh that's kind of what it spells out. Uh we understand that maybe staff's recommending some additional buffers. Uh and I understand that. Uh that being said, a 100 foot buffer up between uh Village and Rainbow uh where we are proposing the building that would end up pushing the building back kind of closer to the fill area. Uh so we'd like a modification of that as well if at all possible. Uh the type four buffer, uh Mr. Foster, I think it includes evergreen, deciduous, uh shrubs, and things like that. Um, so we could really stick to that as a pretty detailed and heavy buffer but being a 20 foot wide buffer instead of the 100 foot. Uh, there. Uh, so we'd like to request that as well. Um,

one of the things I guess I want to point out a couple of couple of comments is uh we're certainly not anticipating this site to increase in uh the rate of traffic or the volume of traffic uh on a daily or monthly or or weekly basis. It's just extending the life of the site uh for more years to come. Um this site was originally I think we we talked a little bit about this. This site was originally done by a different owner as an agricultural site. Um and so they did a we did a fill plan for them that was more than the 15,000 cubic yards uh that you all have in your ordinance. Um and so that site continued on for quite a number of years. Um it started actually in 2017 was when the the plan was approved. Um and so that that has been that site has been active uh since 2017. Um and one of the things I guess I I'd really like to point out is uh Black Diamond bought bought the site in 2023 and there have been no complaints uh since that time. So I think that's pretty important. uh you can see and obviously none of you all are out there uh before uh they've purchased it uh but putting in the gate, putting in the uh the cattle guards and things like that. Um they've really taken it seriously to make sure that they don't track mud or any debris or anything like that onto the existing streets uh that they will be accessing. Uh so I want to point that out. Um, and then I guess we have a a fundamental disagreement uh with the desire for the town to do a core a core sample. They said a core sample. Um, if you want to actually evaluate that road, it's going to be a lot more than one core sample. Um, and even then, you're utilizing just the sample that you pick in the spot that you pick and then extrapolating that over the entirety of that road. Uh

so uh the density of your samples dictates how how accurate uh what you're doing you get. And then I guess the main thing I'd like to point out is that subdivision was put in that subdivision was subdivided in 19767 and 78. Those are the plats that created those residential lots there. Uh was was in uh that time frame. So that subdivision has been active uh since about then. Uh I'm sure some of those houses were not built for a few few few years. Um and so there there's no way to assign uh the responsibility for the maintenance of the road if the road might develop a pothole in the next couple of years. There's there's no way to say that that thing has not been percolating uh for a long time to come. Um and I've I've been out there. I've seen the road. Y'all looked at the road. I think it's in pretty reasonable shape. Um the town has done several sections of the road that is actually further out towards uh Rono Street. They've improved sections of that um on their own. So I just wanted to point that out. I do think um and we've been involved in a few of these cases where there's a um a property that is adjacent to a town property. And I think my understanding has been that the county attorney says there's no way to uh profer anything or do anything in the town for a county property. So there's there's nothing we could we could profer to you all to do on town property for a county SUP. Um and I think you you can certainly get the county attorney to confirm that, but we've had relatively recent experience in the last several years with that. MLAN Heights was one. Um I think there was another project that we were not involved in on Peppers Fairy Road. That was another one. Um so so I think that's something to think about that that

really we're separate. We're utilizing public streets uh for this uh that are adequate. Uh VOTE had no comments. Um and then uh the date on the drawing, Mr. We'll certainly fix that and get that updated, make sure it's uh clarified and matched up to um the documents and I'd be happy to answer any questions you have. I got one, John. Um sir, so there's quite a bit of elevation change on this property. Mhm. What does it look like when we're finished? Are surely you're not feeling 150, 180, 200 feet deep, are you? I mean, what what does it look like when we're done? So So now the slope does this. the slope will still do that, but it will be up. We're able to go at a 3 to one slope uh without specific geotechnical testing and things like that. So, that's what we'll we'll utilize. Um and so the the slope will just get higher all the way down the hill there. So, contours stay about the same, but but just higher. And then down at the very bottom, uh we'll be filling in that area. There's an old farm pond there, uh that you see. We're working with DEEQ and the core of engineers on that to to add to fill that in and shift that. So, we'll fill up that whole area which will then allow that slope that you see now to get higher. Okay. If that if that's able reasonable description. Yeah. Yeah. Because we had one earlier that was like between two ridges and you can see that you fill in the ridges. But here we don't really have another ridge. It's just one. So, so the slope is here now and we have the pond here. The slope will just go like this. So, it will slide out towards the railroad tracks basically is one. And so, what's the limit? I mean, um um we're we're saying 2,000 or about 2 million cubic yards. Yes, sir. So,

do you go 10 ft deep or 20 ft deep or or how is that determined? Um, well, it'll be substantially deep out near where that pond is now. Mhm. Um, and then we'll go basically to zero when you get up to uh Village Rainbow. Mhm. Okay. If that if that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Neil. Yes, sir. Would you say a word about the state-of-the-art of compaction and whether there are various standards of compaction? And would you also say a word about the possible future use of this property um as a park or agricultural use or whatever when it's complete? Yes, sir. And to to Mr. Croll's question as well. Um so this field, this is inert field. It's for the large majority of it is going to be dirt that is unsuitable to be used for compaction for a building. Um, so the the earth will still be compacted with machinery and things like that, but it will not be tested as the material is put in to a certain compaction density. Um, and so that's what you have to have in much smaller increments and tested more often to be able to put a house or a building or something like that on. So none of this area will ever be suitable uh for construction of houses or a subdivision or anything like that. what it will be suitable for is continued pasture or grazing land or whatever uh what have you like that. So it would have top soil when it's finally Yes, sir. Absolutely. That will be part of the plan is that it has to be top soiled and seated uh and stabilized to meet the the county's requirements for stabilization to make sure that there's no excessive runoff. Thank you, Mr. Neil. Yes, sir. I have a question and a comment. Um,

given the nature of what's going to be hauled in there, how much does 15 cubic yards weigh? What's this weight of that truck going to be? Um, so, uh, so there there's not going to be 15 cubic yards on a truck. Uh, typically a truck is more like 10 yards. Okay. I was I was just referencing what I read. Sure. and um uh give or you know somewhere between eight and 12 yards depending on the truck, but we we say 10 typically uh on the average. Uh the material a lot of the material that's going to come in is just regular old soil. It's probably going to weigh 120 lbs 130 lbs a cubic foot. Um and there's 27 pounds in a I don't have my calculator and my brain is not that good. Um, so 130 lbs a cubic foot roughly maybe more like somewhere between 100 and 130 depending on the soil and what you have and those types of things. But what about the weight of the rubble? Uh, same same thing. Yeah, that's where I'm saying somewhere between 100 and 130 lbs. So you're saying that the soil and the rubble weigh the same? Well, on a per cubic foot basis between 100 and 130 or you know 140 pounds. it's going to be wildly variable depending on the material that you're bringing in. Um, and it if you bring in rocks and things like that, there's a lot of void spaces in there. It's not completely, you know, uniform all the way through. So, that's where you end up with that that weight being lesser than what you might think. So, are you saying the predominant weight is going to be the truck itself, not the load it's carrying? Um, yeah, most likely. I mean, I'd have to do some math here. off top of my head, you're you're you're putting me on the spot, but I can I can do that math and get back to you. But uh but yeah, the the the weight of the truck is going to be substantial. It's typically not the material that's

coming in on 10 yards is not going to be outweighing the truck itself. Okay. And the um comment that I had related to your noise paragraph on page 14. Mhm. Um it looks like you had two different writers and it was quite uh interesting reading particularly the comment about new and existing businesses will have the melody of their particular business. Somebody is auditioning for some other kind of writing that guilty is charged. Yes sir. Thank you. Mr. Neil, what is the typical gross weight of one of those dump trucks? What are they? Are they uh I I do not know. Mr. Fipps may know. 58,000 pounds, right? Also depends on the number of uh John, we So, we've got phase one and then phase two. you would start with phase one. Is that where you would start? Yes, sir. That's the plan. Right. So, when Mr. Fipps took over the site, um there were a few um deficiencies of the site and so he has worked uh pretty hard uh this last couple of years to get the storm water management pond uh that was on site completely um renovated and up to speed with what the requirements are. Um and so it still still is actively uh has fill there, but they'd like to move over because uh the next step in phase two would be to do the work with the pond and to expand that area. So they would start on phase one and fill that area first. Yes, sir. And then move to phase two after phase one is complete. So you'd be working in

phase two and one at the same time then. Are you saying or Well, they're not going to completely close out phase two. Uh but certainly they're getting close to the limit of phase phase two uh which is actually active right now. Uh so they want to move over to phase one while the work is going on to to finish all the permitting and and DEEQ and core of engineers and uh plans for phase two. I I guess what I'm getting at is if phase one is 6.7 acres and I'm assuming once you start on that and you're utilizing that area, then you would have to finish it, cap it over, get it seated and and um stabilize before you'd start the next phase. Yeah. But but the next phase is six is uh 60 acres or or 36 acre. Yeah. 36 acres. Yes, sir. Is it possible to do that in phases to where you know you you do six acres then have to stabilize that be and then you do another six acres and stabilize that. It this site does not lend itself too well to that because everything is kind of draining to one spot um as as for phase two. Um so so that would be challenging to do some of that. you might be able to figure some of that out um when you get down into the to the weeds and the details of doing it. Uh but at this time I wouldn't be able to say, "Hey, this specific area really you can finish it and then and then get that stabilized and then move to this area." Um but I think definitely phase one once it opens up and is active, they'll take it all the way to finish it and cap it and stabilize it. So, it's not going to stay open for uh any more period of time than is necessary to do the fill. John, could you clarify just a bit for

me the existing pond would rise uh as the fill continues or would there be a a separate storm retention facility? There'll be a separate storm water detention facility downstream of that pond before the railroad tracks. And so then the existing pond's going to end up going to get filled. And we we show that somewhat on the on the master plan down at the very bottom. Um we we label it there. And really that's just a existing uh hole right now. Uh that's downstream of the existing pond. Um, but we'll work to make that the the new storm water management facility and then that allow all that field to come in. Thank you. Yes, sir. I have a comment. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. From my personal experience, for a few years now where I live on Walton Road, dump truck trucks have traveled that road to that SUP Rebel landfill. Do you mean to not talking about my personal experience where I live on Walden Road? Okay. From a previously approved SUP rubble landfill. Uhhuh. I have personally observed damage to that road from these trucks and um these trucks are coming and going all day long and some I mean I don't even my house is not on that road um facing the road. I don't see the road in my daily life but I travel it. My neighbors speak of it. So I feel a little uneasy with uh meeting these trucks on the road, seeing these trucks on the road. And I have some concerns um about this project having

lived lived with this current project where I am. Um there was some cosmetic um improvements on signage for from VOTE or maybe from the county. I'm not really sure, but the residents of Walton Roder County residents and you know they came here and expressed lots of concerns about that project. Um, and that ultimately that project was approved for a 40-year life span, too. Um, and it's there's no looking back now. It's ongoing. So, I would like for you to speak a little more about it and or even have um an opportunity to get more information about the concerns the town of Christianberg expressed on the roads and the impact on that traffic on those streets because uh I know you you basically said you're not required to. I don't feel like we should just ignore their request from their engineering department. I mean, even though it's not a requirement, I still feel like that concern was expressed. I know they just got it yesterday. Hadn't had time to really um vet it to respond to it, but I think now that that's been raised and it's it's here in our information, I think we need to have that piece of this looked at closer. So, I if I'm if I may share something with you, pass around my phone if you don't mind. So today I went up to [Music] and this has nothing to do with the condition of the road. Feel free to pass that on around and I'll pick it up over there. But this is a dump truck coming out of the site and I was coming up the hill on village. I see that does have plenty of passing room. Yeah, that's all I wanted to

illustrate issue. There's a lot of dust coming off of it, too. I mean, this project probably would take off some of the um impact on Walton Road, which would benefit the residents of where I live, but I still feel like uh needing to speak up on these concerns because um it's a daily thing I live with every and now that I'm retired, I see it more because I'm there more. That's all that's my concern and I just wanted to make a note of it and that has nothing to do with the conditions of the road but I just wanted to illustrate how wide uh village is uh and the the the curve going down and all the way out. Um, I don't think there are uh any concerns whatsoever, there shouldn't be any concerns whatsoever with the geometry and and you know, meeting trucks on that road or anything like that for this project. John, do does the town does the town require these core samples and so forth for other other developments? I know I've I've done some work with that town. They've never required me to do core samples. No, sir. Not not that I'm aware of there. We've not ever had to do any in any projects we've done in town. Um we do for VOTE when we're doing a VOTE subdivision street. So a subdivision that we do in the county um they do what's called CBR tests. Um and they're every couple hundred feet. Um and you take those tests and you get the results and then you do a pavement design. So in other words, how much stone and how much pavement you have, you do that design for the subdivision street. Um, but that's a brand new street in a in a brand new um area uh that you're working in where you've graded in um something like an existing street. I've I've never seen that. I will point out also I had I

should have shown you the second picture, but um so I went out to Walnut Creek today. Um that's a subdivision we did in 2005, I think was when it was first approved. I think that's about right. Um, and the first houses that were done there, uh, in 2005 were up at the street at Hchins's Road. Um, and so there's there was a bunch of single family and then we did the one little, um, culde-sac this way and then we continued on and now we're all the way at the back of the subdivision. Um, and I apologize, I do have to show you this picture because I think it it illustrates a point as well. And you there's probably some pictures of my dog on here. So this is so what you're going to what you're going to see here. This is all the way in the back of the Walnut Creek subdivision. Uh and so in 2005 when we when those first houses were built or probably 2006 um those first houses were built and they were on that subdivision street. There were CBR tests done for that subdivision street. It was designed as a subdivision street. Um I'm pretty sure the the streets on Village were never designed for anything. They were built. They were not designed. But we designed the subdivision streets for Walnut Creek. And over the course of the last 20 years now, there has been 150 houses constructed in there. And probably all of them had a had a concrete truck delivering concrete, which weighs a whole lot more than our dump truck uh dropping off in Nerfield. They had uh tractor trailers bringing in trusses, tractor trailers bringing in

bunks of 2x4s, uh shingles, all those types of things. So there has been active construction traffic on that road for the last 20 years, maybe 19. Um and there was no special design done for the activity that has taken place the last 20 years there. Um, and so, so I, like I said, I respectfully, uh, disagree that that number one, that there's any tests that we could do that then we could decide that these dump trucks are either acceptable or unacceptable for the street. Uh, because that street has been there for uh, 1980 to 25, 45 years. Um, there's no test that we could do that would say it's acceptable. and then how to define how much is uh Rick's responsibility if that road does need to be repaved or a pothole fixed or a or anything like that. And I don't even know how you'd even generate a mechanism to figure that out um seven years from now or 12 years from now when the town decides that the street needs to be repaved. Sorry, I'll get my phone Don, did you all um is there any other um feasible access besides Village Lane? I know it would involve doing some additional construction work. Um but all of the aerial and I haven't studied beyond what's been shown on aerial mapping, but did you all look at that? Is that really the only option is to cut through those uh existing down roads? Yes, sir. There there is no other no other route.

Any further questions? Oh, yes. Sorry, Kim mentioned um I think you had a concern about from an adjacent property owner. Thought maybe there had been some fill uh over their property line. Um that was probably six or seven years ago, I would guess, when that was done that. And when we were out uh doing some of the uh additional topo and surveying, we we found that out back then. I don't I think it was probably five or six years ago. Um, and we notified the owner at that time about it. They were uh going to talk to the owner. I don't know if they solved that or not, but Rick today uh reached out to the to the lady uh Compton, I think it was Compton, is it Compton? Uh reached out and talked with them and they're going to meet next week. So, we're he's going to make sure that uh if that was not pulled back from the previous owner, he's going to pull it back, make sure it gets there, and they'll make sure they get their property line defined. And uh he had a conversation with her today, and she was very nice. And so, they're they're planning on taking care of that. Thank you very much. Thank you. At this time, we'll open up the floor. Well, excuse me. How about the owner? Did the owner want to speak before? Uh, yeah, I'll be happy to. Uh, I can, uh, I guess I'll state my name. Uh, your name and address, please. Uh, my name's Rick Fipps. Uh, I'm the owner of Black Diamond Resources and RL Fipps Construction. Uh, address, is that what or what you just your address? Your home

address? Uh, my home address is 6137 Alam Ridge Road, Riner, Virginia. Uh, a couple clarifications that I could probably offer on, uh, I think you had a concern with the weight of the dump trucks. Uh, one key point we need to realize is the dump trucks are governed by state law and they have to be legal. So, uh, Virginia bridge law only allows us to put so much weight on that dump truck legally. And as an owner of multiple dump trucks, we don't want to overweight them. Uh so dump trucks in nature are designed to spread that weight out over multiple axles. Uh so it's not like we're loading it for something that wouldn't be legal to drive down your normal road or normal driveway. So, um, as far as, uh, Miss Compton's complaint, uh, I found out about it through the email chain, uh, this afternoon and, uh, called her. Um, her real concern is that we don't really know where that property line is. We currently have GPS control set up on the project. So, I told her we would meet at her earliest convenience and walk the line, mark it clearly to where she was 100% comfortable with those limits. And if something did get over, which I'm 99% positive it's not, we will address that with her. So, uh, also I noticed that, uh, dust has been a a common topic and concern. Dust is regulated through erosion sediment controls just like anything else. We get inspected under our permits by the county personnel uh bi-weekly and uh dust is something that when you wet it, it comes back. So uh during the summer months, we have water trucks there and we can definitely uh help with that. The positive thing about the design that we're proposing will

move that operation farther down in the bottom for a longer period of time. And uh we have proposed met with the town of Christiansburg to uh actually extend at my cost asphalt through that area that was in both of those pictures to get us well within our limits. Um and the dust up there along the residential areas wouldn't really be as much of an issue. So well thank you Mr. Fibs. Thank you. At this time, we'll open up the floor for public address. Anyone that would like to approach and discuss this topic, if you'd like to come forward, please, you can give us your name and address. And you got three minutes. My name is Alex Huzuri, 945 Pard Road, Christiansburg. Uh the site in concern is basically of concern to us in the sense that we don't know what's going to happen to this pond, the existing pond, the runoff. We don't know what kind of soil, whether the soil is going to be tested periodically or not. We have no idea if the soil is polluted. We have runoff. We have a creek going in the middle of the pro through the middle of the property. And there are animals neighbors that have animals. They use that water from the creek. So, we're concerned about pollution. We would like to know if there is going to be periodical testing of the soil. What is going to happen to the pond? And do we have access to the property to to

the site to to look at it to see what's going on? Will we will we be allowed to visit the site? Are are you asking a question? Yeah, I'm asking a question. This this is this is your your time to speak. Please please your pardon. I said this is your time to speak. Yeah. Yeah. Please please go forward. Well, that that is what I'm that is my concern. I'm speaking expressing my concern about the project how it's going to impact that pond. Okay. And in the in the short term and the long term. So, we would like to know if the soil is going to be tested, would like to see the reports of those tests and we would just like to be informed about what's going on. Okay. Okay. So, who would we contact in in in that regard? Um so any testing would be done through department of environmental services DEEQ. Um that report would go to that department. Okay. Um once once it starts as far as access to the site, it it's a private site. So we can't offer you access. You would have to arrange that with the property owner if you wanted access to the site. Okay. Is the county concerned? Is the board of directors superi super supervisors concerned about the pollution to the creek to the water body? So this will go to the board of supervisors for their review on July 14th. Okay. All right. That's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you, sir. If anyone else would like to come forward and now is your time.

Seeing none, we will close the public address portion and talk amongst the commission for action andor further review. Uh if I may ask staff, staff didn't make a recommendation. Was it only because of the town of Christianber request that you didn't feel like was So that information was received um the same evening that packet was due to go out. So our analysis was completed at that time. We did not make recommendation. Um, and we we are standing by that recommendation as it it okay it is at the moment. I'm a little concerned about the town um the town's request. Uh it's almost like they're they're wanting uh adjacent land owner to guarantee their roads if they're substandard. But if they're substandard, it's the town's responsibility, not not someone else. The town streets are supposed to be made for traffic. And uh I I don't think they they make different roads or or you see what I'm saying? It's a town street that's been um that's owned by the town and maintained by the town. And if it's substandard, then it would be the town's responsibility, not not um an adjacent owner. It would be hard and it would be hard to

put a condition that you're insuring that Well, I don't think we could. So, because it's Town Street, you don't know if it was the town's dump truck that came through that torep the road. You know what I'm saying? You can't ensure that the road is Mr. Chairman. Yes. Yes, please. Um, I think we have a number of unanswered questions and we have a staff recommendation of no recommendation. And Miss Wright's hanging out there waiting for some information uh from the county attorney. Um, and I may be out of sequence here, but I'd like to move that we defer this to the July 16th meeting. That messes up the board of supervisor schedule. Um, it's okay. Okay. So, I'll make that as a formal motion. I'll second. Okay. So, we got a motion and a second. We'll take a roll call vote here in a second. Um, some of the information that we're we're wanting. Um, this buffer, there was some, uh, questions about the buffer, 20 yard, 20 foot buffer versus 100 foot buffer. Would like to have a little bit more information on that. Um, Saturday, the Saturday uh, operation. I I'm okay with some Saturdays. I don't know if we talk with Marty, find out if we do a total number per year or or something to that effect. I I will say traditionally in the past we have not limited it to a certain number of Saturdays per year. Um from a

zoning code enforcement perspective, I would think that might be a small nightmare. Okay. In order to to track and maintain, I mean, how do you know if they were open on this Saturday and not this one? Um, so I think it would have to be something that that was enforcable at that point. I would think you just make the condition language match up with the application and that should solve that problem. What What is the issue with it operating on Saturday? Well, the uh condition that was um recommended was just operation on Monday through Friday. So, the application did not specify Saturday at all. Oh, I understand. But I'm saying if we're trying to come up with a way to enforce some limit on the number of Saturdays, I don't see the point in doing that. What's the difference between a truck coming in or 20 trucks coming in on Thursday versus Saturday? So, if it's going to be open on any Saturday, my opinion is why not not restrict. Um, if you're going to have it restricted to no operation on Sunday, that's very clear. Um, but to limit the number of Saturdays that it can operate seems arbitrary to me. Okay, that was their request. Well, I understand that. So they creates an issue with I think they were trying to accommodate a way for us to say yes. I may be speaking for you, John, but it just it seems like even though that's a little contrary to their request, I think imposing a condition like that would put an unreasonable burden on staff um and not accomplish anything for the betterment of the community. Um, and also I guess back to the the whole traffic and trucks and and all that. I

I'm not a traffic engineer, so I I do have um limited knowledge in that area, but it seems to me that if a road, all roads are not the same. If a road is designed for residential use, it's designed to a certain standard. If it's used as a collector road or some higher level of intensity, it's designed to a different standard than a uh a residential subdivision or um some other type of defined use. What we're doing is expanding, if this gets approved, the long-term use as an industrial type use where we're going to have a lot of heavy trucks coming in and out of there and we're not necessarily restricting how many if there's a lot of construction going on. Um, I would imagine that they're going to try to accommodate as much of that 2 million cubic yards as they possibly can. So, I understand the idea of trying to get approval to accommodate a a longer length of time, but it's going to fluctuate with the economy and the the level of construction activity. Um, also the fact that um it's not dedicated to just their internal use, that it is a third party and that it is essentially a commercial operation. Mhm. So I think that in and of itself puts it in a little bit of a different category than general construction traffic going to point A to point B because this is a defined location where traffic is going to be a destination. So I I do have concerns about the amount of truck traffic. I absolutely agree. You're not going to be able to put any kind of condition that allocates

responsibility for repair. But I do understand Meredith's comment in that if you can do CBR testing for design of a road to accommodate a proposed use, why could you not do CBR testing based and an analysis on the current pavement section, at least a statistically representative number of of samples in order to reverse engineer here what's currently there and calculate what type of traffic based on today's standards um that road is able to accommodate. Now from my perspective that that information needs to be something that we would want to hear the conclusion before we acted on this and approved it. uh unless we could do something an approval subject to that being acceptable to the town. Um but I don't know if that's even possible. So I know that's a a windy comment and I apologize for that. But well, let's flesh it out a little bit more though. But what what if if a sample was taken and someone determined that it wasn't adequate, then at that point then why would you approve a future use that allows inadequate um sense? But it would be it would be considered inadequate for an assumed assumed uh number of trips and and you like you know what I'm saying? It might it might it might only be the 15 trucks a month for the next five years. You know what I'm saying? It's it you would have to assume that it's going to be a certain volume or correct. I think we're But I would assume that

right now it's it's limited to their own use if they open it up to commercial third parties to pay to bring material there. Yeah, we've had other contractors that have submitted applications because this is a a real need and that's why I I'm definitely conflicted because I recognize the need and I support having these types of facilities in the county because it does meet an essential need to promote construction and economic development in the community. But we also do need to be careful that the infrastructure is in place so we're not creating a problem by solving another problem. So I I I'm glad that u Mr. Foster made the motion to defer this action to a subsequent meeting. And uh I personally would like to hear more um information about um with all due respect to um the engineers representing the applicant um I think there's more more information more definitive information and insight we could get on the suitability of the existing roadway infrastructure for this proposed use. Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman. Uh, I agree with what Mr. Croll has not so pithily expressed just now. Um, I don't know what that word means, Mr. Okay, let me Google that. It wasn't a short answer. U, we're in a curious situation where our consideration u legally begins at the mailbox at the top of the hill. But the concern is that the approval of that uh creates a potential problem for

uh the town of Christiansburg. And I kind of feel even more strongly than I did a few minutes ago. We've got to get the lawyers together for lunch somewhere and get them to hammer this something out. Uh because this is probably not going to be the last time it happens. as um the area grows and we surround Blackburg and Christiansburg, that they're going to be pass through situations that we've got to to think about. And I will also note that um the county engineers comment was not about future maintenance. It's about the adequacy of the pavement today to support the proposed use, not who's going to pay for fixing it down the road. Mhm. So, I don't think that's within our purview and that kind of helps alleviate that issue, but I I think making sure that we're not approving something that's going to be a detriment to the road system when the count when the the town has raised that as an issue. Um, I think that we we need to explore that specifically a little further. Okay. Is there any other items that uh we we want staff to kind of key in on as we're preparing for next meeting? Before we go that far, I'd like to say, excuse me. Whether or not core samples are the answer or whether they can be determined to be the answer, I think we need to be good neighbors with the town of Christiansburg and at least extend the the courtesy of investigating their request. Any other items?

Okay. So, we have a motion and a second to defer this to the July 14th meeting. Excuse me. 16th. 16th. Is it 16th? Excuse me. I stand corrected. 16th. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. And those opposed likewise. Was a voice vote. Okay. Was that okay? Okay. Okay. So, we will hash this out again next month. And at at this time we have a public address that uh someone can speak. Oh, I'm sorry. SU request for the second request. Okay. I'm sorry. A lot of the same information. The summary of this request is for a contractor storage yard for R LL RLIPS construction. Proposed hours again are operation are 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. on Monday through Friday. The contractor's storage yard will not be open to the public. There is a shop building planned for the future. The size unknown, but as noted before, it is on an area that is not part of the field site. The equipment stored on site will typically leave the site and remain on the active job site, but equipment will return for service, maintenance, and storage occasionally. A definition for a contractor's storage yard is an area used for the storage of equipment and or materials used for providing construction related contracting services including but not limited to flooring, heating, plumbing, roofing, landscaping and excavation. This is the same concept plan, but if you will see down in the bottom right hand corner, the area identified as the contractor storage yard and the proposed building.

They would use the same site access as for the phase 2 part of the proposed landfill and the gated entryway to the site. Here, however, is a picture of Rainbow Street, the end of Rainbow Street, which is um where I am standing when I took the photo. And it is prevented to be used by vehicles using those concrete barriers. And then this is taken from within the site looking out towards Rainbow Street. And you can see the residential area that's there. Here's drone footage. In this area right here, which is the graveled area of the site where the excavation equipment is parked, that is the proposed contractor storage yard site. So, you see it from two different perspectives in the in both of these photos. And then on the right photo, you can see the access coming. The gate is about where those trees are right there. Traffic impacts. Um the site will be accessed from Village Lane um accessing the same route as our previous request, but the applicant estimates 0 to 10 trips per day. The town of Christiansburg again has previous uh records and investigated issues related to mud and rock, but none since the new owner has taken possession of the property. Same access route goes through business, industrial, and multif family zoned areas. and VOTE has no comments for this use. The same environmental um impacts have been identified. Um but storm water management will be thoroughly reviewed during the site van process for this part and all areas designated as conserved open space should should still remain protected and undisturbed.

Saturday hours were not indicated but it would result in an increased impacts for residents. Um multifamily residential dwellings are located immediately to the proposed contractor storage yard site and um the town did not any indicate any noise complaints have been received from the existing operation. A buffer would be required to be installed at the residential areas to mitigate noise impacts anticipated to come from the site. And this site would be different that it would utilize safety and security lighting but it would be required to meet dark dark sky friendly standards. And then again the locked gate proit prohibits vehicular access to the site after hours. Same comprehensive plan goals are identified here. The proposed use would provide a viable use for an existing vacant lot and would support construction activities throughout the county. There are limited impacts on surrounding properties. No additional burden on existing infrastructure, fencing, and/or landscape buffer would be required from adjacent properties. Staff does recommend approval of this special use permit request to allow a contractor storage yard at the site with the following conditions. Contractor storage site shall be developed in general conformance with the submitted concept sketch and we'll update that date. A site plan addressing zoning conformance with landscaping, screening, parking, and other requirements shall be approved prior to issuance of any county permits. Hours of operations shall not exceed 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through Friday. The site shall be closed on Saturday and Sunday. U Mr. Neil may have um some more comments about this one as well. Um any exterior lighting installed on the property shall be designed to prevent glare onto adjacent properties and comply with dark

sky-friendly standards. The contractor's storage yard shall not be open to the public and shall create no exterior impacts, including noise, vibration, glare, odors, or electrical interference. Equipment and vehicles stored on the property shall be in good working condition at all times. And any outdoor storage shall be screened from view from adjacent properties with opaque fencing or evergreen trees. All adjoining property owners receive the same notice for both requests. Signs were placed for both requests, legal ads. Staff did receive no concern regarding this use of the property, but additional comments may be received during the public hearing. And then I will take any questions. And again, Mr. Neil, is he available if you have any more? That's right. How far is the U residence there at the top of the hill from where this potential structure is going to be or the existing structure? I do not have a measurement on that, but I do have that picture that that shows the There you go. One on the right couple hundred feet and then there would be a 100 foot buffer. The 100 foot buffer was recommended for the fill site. This would not be part of the fill site. Okay. So, this buffer would be different. What would this one be? Would this one be 40? I can't remember if it's a 20 or 40 foot buffer. Um I apologize. I should know that. The setback for the structure itself would be 40T um for sure. But I can take a look and

get back to you on that. Miss Wright, in a related question, is there no limit to the square footage of this building? The only limit would be um as prescribed by the the standards for the A1 district about lot coverage. Thank you. You're welcome. And and does this contract search cover the whole 60 acre parcel or just the special use permit would be good for the whole property? But per the concept sketch, they have identified this area. Um is this just where the little round circles are? The little Yes. Look like gravel. Yes, sir. Okay. And by having the condition that ties it back to the concept sketch, they couldn't move that building, let's say, to the other side or it would be considered not in substantial conformance. Okay. But it could be expanded. Is that so? They didn't give us a size on the building. Are you talking about the contractor storage area could be expanded or this or the structure itself? The building itself. We they haven't proposed a size yet, but we wouldn't see that again until the site plan. Correct. Correct. It would not come back before this board as long as it was contained within this area that they have defined as being used. But aside from the setback requirements, it could cover the in the entire area potentially. Theoretically. Potentially. Yes. And potentially. Thank you. You're welcome. Are you are you would you like to see a size limitation as a condition?

So on that Go ahead. Sorry Pam. Go ahead. You go first. I was just gonna say it looks like that is on the on the corner and it's closest to the properties on Rainbow Street. Correct. It was correct. This week in the paper there was a foreclosure for that property on Rainbow Street. That's what caught my attention. 500 Rainbow Street from someone that bought it back in 2020 and now they're foreclosing on it. So I don't know if it's related or not, but it seems too coincidental. So, I just wanted to clarify that was rainbow. It is rainbow. That's interesting. I wanted to ask, so I'm trying to determine the little circles right in the drawing that we're looking at, like the buffer. I'm looking at the buffer. There's a buffer and then there's more circles along there. So, those are people's homes, correct? On that backside residence, right? Yep. And those the circled area is where equipment could park. Correct. Correct. That is correct. So potentially could we I don't know can we say hey the buffer where the homes are increase that not have those bubbles along that straight line and keep it to the larger area. I don't know how else to say that. It starts going down, you know, the heel. See they they've kind of designated the flat area where they could build. It starts it starts to drop off. I'm not saying change the building. I'm just saying get rid of that line of bubbles. Uh that's Hopkins, I think. So, are you asking for an increased buffer? What bubbles are we talking about? Right here at the right across where it goes. Are you talking about here? Yep. Yep. To remove that area. The equipment can't park right there behind people's house. Isn't that the access road? That's the access road. That's the access road to get to the building. Okay. Well, that's what I'm asking. Yeah, cuz that that is the road to park. Okay. But it looks like it's the same designation as what

they're defining the storage lot. I think the concept plan needs to better define the storage lot. Okay. Thank you. And the building. Okay. Uh maybe not a size restriction, but at least a general magnitude of what's being proposed so that we know if it's in general conformance with what's being approved. Yeah. So the ordinance does call for a type three buffer in that area which would only be um that would be considered the front and so that would be 15 ft in width and then there's a certain number of trees and then there is the opaque requirement for fencing. We do allow them to substitute evergreens if they don't do the opaque opaque fencing. a type four buffer um which could be added as a condition because this is a special use permit. Um a type four buffer the front is 20 ft in width um and likewise it would still require a structural screen. Can we ask for both? Yes. As a as a condition. Yeah. A fence and evergreen. Okay. Can Can you go back to that picture with the White House in it because I think that shows what's there now. I don't think there's anything. There's just a few trees there now. Is this what you're talking about? Right through here, Andrea. Okay. So, you're saying opaque fencing or evergreens through here? andor. Yeah, it it seems like this kind of creates just the graphically the way the concept plan shows the phase two area and then overlaid by a graphical depiction of the in the label showing the storage lot. But I think to define

exactly if if the buffering is different, buffer requirement is different under a special use permit for the rubble fill versus the storage lot. That needs to be clear where each one of those is going to apply. So that I mean even though they're not necessarily filling in that corner, it appears that some of that is also within the designated phase 2 fill area the way it's currently shown on the concept plan. Okay. Could the square footage of that storage building uh be a condition and or could the owner profer um voluntarily a certain size? So since this is a special use permit, it would not be a profer, but you could add a condition limiting the size of the building. Yes. Mr. Chairman, um I want to ask a question of Mr. Neil that he can answer when he comes up. Do you have any more questions for me? Well, no. Okay. He's not listening anyway. I'll just wait until he comes up. Okay. So, applicant. Okay. Applicant. Sorry. Was was that all right? M time. Yes, sir. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of planning commission. Thank you for your time. John Neil, foresight design, Christian, Virginia. Um certainly appreciate um Kim's uh comments. We can we can further define and clarify uh uh for you uh the storage

area and the buffer yards related to the storage area and to the uh field site. We're happy to do that. We'll put that together. Um I think it makes sense even though uh we would like to have moved forward with both of them tonight. I think it probably makes sense to keep them on the same uh track. Um and so we certainly I think request to to kind of keep this uh in line with the fill site. Um but I will say uh um Mr. with the with respect to the building that's really a future building. Um, and so it it's kind of hard to decide no sooner than we say, hey, we're going to do a 50 by 100 building, then it'll need to be a 52 by 110 building or, you know, and so, um, we'd certainly like the opportunity to, uh, when we come back with the storage lot. Um, and maybe we say up to um 80% of the storage lot or some some kind of definition like that to to kind of at least provide a some some boundaries uh to it. Um, and we understand the the need to to buffer the residential areas there. I think we in talking with Rick there just now, I think we can we can increase that buffer yard a little bit there for the contractor storage yard. uh and we'll expand a little bit off to one side uh to try to make sure that those folks are are buffered as best we can. And for those of us like myself that can't see, would we take this storage lot off of the master plan maybe and little separate? Yeah, we can actually see exactly where we're and an idea of the buffer on Rainbow of what your concept would be for that. Sure. We can do that. Yep. Mr. Neil. Yes, sir. When you were here earlier on the other application, uh, you talked about the inability to

build structures on Phil's Phil area. Is it possible to park equipment on it? Yes, absolutely. Yes, sir. Would it be possible to move your equipment parking to the north side of whatever structure is built in the future so that it's on the other side of the building from the residences? Yes, sir. That's what I was talking with Rick about is we'll kind of have the building there, but then we will definitely have some some storage to the side of it along that contour because we can we can take the storing of the equipment so far, but then when we get onto the actual slope certainly u not not really feasible there, but um we will be able to create a pad behind the building and to the side of the building to the left of the drawing as you're looking at it um uh there. But then that would also have the buffer yard uh along in in between Rainbow and Village. Any further? Thank you. All right. Thank you for your time, Mr. Chair. Do we have I We got to open the public I think we'll still go forward with the public hearing. We have to. Sorry. Yeah. Anyone else would like to speak? I've opened the floor up for public hearing on this conditional use permit. If anyone would like to speak, please come forward. Seeing none, we will close the public hearing. We'll open up public address for anyone. We need a motion. I'm trying to get out of here. That we defer this item until the July 16th Meeting second. We got a motion and multiple seconds.

All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Those likewise or those opposed likewise. Motion carries unanimous for the third time. I'm going to open up for public address. Seeing none, we will close the public address and move straight to liaison reports which uh Mr. Todd King is up first. I don't have no report but uh I have been talking to some citizens and they want me to run something past the planning commission and breed when people come in and get special use permit if it's on the end of the culture site and some people is on this end maybe they don't go down to the end of the culture sack to see that they have a special uh public hearing on SU Pete, right? Is there any way that we could maybe just for that direct road, maybe mail each neighbor something saying, you know, we got a SUP coming up in your neighborhood or something? We we already do adjacent. So, we do adjacent um if it would touch the property that is the subject of the request. So, state code says you have to notify anyone adjoining if it would touch the property regardless of roads, rivers, lakes, etc. Um, so we we do that. Occasionally, we will extend it if if there's a question of whether it touches or if it just makes sense. Um, we haven't taken it to

the end of the culde-sac, but I'm definitely willing to talk to Marty and seeing I want to make sure I don't agree to something that has some other ramifications to it that we're not aware of. But, um, I don't I don't off the top of my head, I don't see an issue other than we would do it and then we would be on another road that's maybe not a dead-end road, but they're like, "Hey, well, we know you went 10 properties beyond the last one. Why didn't you go 10 properties beyond this one? So, I want to talk to Marty about that before I agree to anything. But yes, we can look at it. What they was talking about is the SU had come through and the property was on the end of the culture site with Mhm. the neighbors that lived on this end didn't get the notice. So, the ones at the front Yeah. Got it. So, now they got a bunch of vehicles running up and down there. If you're looking that I'd appreciate I will look into that. Thank you. Okay. And and there might even be another way even if we don't provide even if we don't provide them with a mailed notice maybe we could put one of the signs at the end of that road end of that road. Yes. To direct them. That might be a possibility too. So I will talk to um county administration and the county attorney and we will come up with a solution. All right. Thank you. How about that? That Blackburg Planning Commission. Miss on. So, Blackburg, it's actually council, but I skipped on to that part because it's important. Um, they have asked for Virginia Tech to pause uh admissions. I know. I know. But this all came about because of the development that got approved on Cbridge Street, the eightstory building that will be apartments uh that convenient. Well, I'm I'm on recording. Um so it's on apartments that

were approved to be built within the town of Blackburg. So, the town of Blackburg has asked Virginia Tech to please pause on uh increasing admissions and to have discussions with the town before future planning of facilities and buildings would occur even though they approved it. Well, they approved that one, but there is more to that story and we can talk later. So, but yeah, that's what's going on in the town of Blackburg. Thank you, ma'am. Um, Black, uh, Chrisburg Planning Commission and I spoke with Trey. I don't know that we I don't know that they've had a meeting. Um, um, Ratford Planning Commission. Oh, their meeting is on Monday the 16th. So, I'll I'll have a report after that. Okay. And Mr. Miller with Tourism Council. No meeting. No report. We do have a new director and I look forward to working and Mr. Workman parks and rec. We'll meet tomorrow. That and planning director's report. Yes, I have um a few different things. Um so one the I think it's important to announce the Radford City Council has appointed a new um city manager. Um so Mr. Todd Meredith from Parisburg has been hired. So, we're we're really excited for our neighbors there in Radford. Um, a former county administrator of ours that you may know by the name of Craig Meadows had been serving as interim. Um, so he helped select um, Mr. Meredith and and I think everyone is really excited um, to to have him on board. Um,

county related. So, we had Montgomery Matters here um two weeks ago, a week ago. It all blurs together. Um we had a meeting here. We had several folks attend. I think we were over 20 in attendance. The exciting thing we got out of that was there were approximately 10 people, so almost half um that had never attended a Montgomery Matters or comp planning event before. And so we were very excited about that. um because that means we're reaching new people and we're getting more people involved and that's always a good thing. We do have a lot of Montgomery Matters items coming up for you. Um June 26th we will be in Prices Fork at the Prices Fork Elementary School from 5 to 7:30 p.m. holding our first village meeting. Postcards have went out and I actually have a favor to ask of you. I have some extra postcards and I also have some flyers and I thought I might get you and Mr. Workman to distribute some of them there in the Prices Fork area maybe at Northstar Church and then some of the places you frequent as well um just to help us get the word out. So yes, that will be in two short weeks. Um we will be in Prices Fork and then July 10th we are going to vis visit what Mr. Miller calls the big city of Riner. And we will be there from 5 to 7:30 p.m. as well. Um those postcards will be going out next week or the week after. I'm I'm not positive on that timeline. Um July 31st, we will be at Belleview. Um we'll be at Belleview Elementary School. Um in Reiner, we are going to be at Auburn Middle School. Sorry, I meant to say

that. Thank you. Um August the 7th we will be in Ellis in in the city of Ellison. That is correct. Um we will be there to take a look at the Ellist Lefayet village plan. So, if you notice, those are kind of close together and fast and furious, but there was a reason. We wanted to try to get out to each one of those villages, one as quick as possible so we can start writing the plans, but two, we also wanted to be able to utilize the schools before schools were actually in session. It's a little harder to schedule those once you have kids in the building and that and activities for school. Um, so we are very thankful to the McGomery County Public Schools for letting us use their facilities. Um we appreciate that. They they have been wonderful to work with. Um August 21st we will be in Shawville and there we will be at the Metabrook Center. Um and then Marie, do you mind tell us what what happened at these meetings? So these are openhouse meetings. We are sending postcards to members in each one of these village areas and inviting them to come out. We will have activities similar to our openhouse events that we have here. Um they will be a little more I don't want to say catered to the village but but they'll be a little more relatable to the village than just the full-on comprehensive plan. So they they will be more village specific. Um we are actually going to ask one big question of probably each village and that's do you consider yourself a village and if not what do you consider your community? um because we've heard from a couple of folks, well, we really don't think we're a village. And so, well, if you don't think you're a village, what are you? And so, we're trying to get some of that impact input back from those citizens. Um we're going to be looking at the maps

where growth is available, what type of growth. Are we looking at new growth in these areas or are we looking at redevelopment in infield? Um based on what's available, we're going to be looking at available lands in those areas. And then what do you want it to look like when it gets here? Um, if you have growth, what should it look like? Um, what should densities be? What should, you know, e even down to where should parking be? In the past, it's been it should be in the rear. Um, not fronting the major roads, but and we'll see if that still sticks. Um, so a a variety of questions will be asked of each village. Um the only village that is not on here is Plum Creek yet because we are still waiting to confirm a location on that one. Um we are looking at September 4th um for that meeting. We just want to make sure that we have a location secured um before we make that announcement. So once again it is going to be a busy busy summer for planning um and we'll we'll be hitting our major villages. Um, other news, Sarah Cahoun has started in our department as GIS analyst. Um, she has returned to work for over a full week now. Um, so I think she might still like us and she's not going to run away. So that that's always a good thing. Um, more exciting news, Shelley Caldwell attempted um, her certified zoning officials exams and she passed those yesterday and is considered a CZO. Um, she stayed in Charlottesville, which is why Amanda's with us this evening, um, to take the management course so she can attempt her CCA. And speaking of Ca, Laura Rogers attempted her CZA on Monday and she passed all three courses. Um, and and she had the second highest score ever on one of the exams. So, we are we

are very proud of her. We have a new CCO, a new CZA. Um, and that's that's very exciting. And I believe we had on here that we were meeting on July 9th. Um, since we have the village meeting on July 10th, we were actually going to discuss cancelling that. So, I am really glad Mr. Foster channeled my brain and said July 16th when he was talking about his deferrals because I think that works perfectly. You here for 16? I'm on vacation. Let me rethink the 16th here. Okay. Do we uh anyone else missing on the 16th of July? I don't know if if channeling your brain is how to take that. You're out the 16th. Okay. What about the ninth? The ninth. I'm out the ninth. But you're out the ninth. Are you you all good? So, we just have one out the ninth. Okay. Um, does the 9th work for you, Mr. Neil? It does. Okay. So, we will be here the day after my birthday on July 9th. July 9th. And um um we will adjust them in planning director's report is how we will do that. We will reference back that we may not have had a quorum on the 16th. So we adjusted that meeting to July 9th and confirmed with the applicant that it was feasible. I think that's all I have. Would you please um in writing, if you

will, um express our appreciation, our thanks, and our congratulations to each of the staff members. Yes, absolutely. I think if if we all agree on that, which I trust we do. Anything else? It's back to you, Mr. All right. Well, I think that uh is there anything else? If none, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. Then motion second. All those in favor signify five saying I. Uh, those opposed. Too bad. Leave anyway.