Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Bienvenue à la commission de planification en ligne du 2 septembre 2020. La commission de planification du comté d'Arsta. Reçois-vous. Commentaire. Accoupez le micro. Merci. C'est mieux comme ça. Très bien. La commission de planification du comté de Thurston est un comité consultatif auprès du conseil des commissaires du comté sur les questions d'aménagement du territoire, comme le plan global et les modifications des ordonnances de zonage. Les actions de la commission de planification prennent la forme de recommandations aux commissaires du comté, qui sont les décideurs finaux, finaux, qui sont les décideurs finaux. Toutes les réunions de la commission de planification sont ouvertes au public. Les membres de la communauté sont invités à assister à toutes les séances d'information et de travail de la commission. Je m'appelle Eric Casino, je suis le président de cette saison et je représente le district 2. Nous allons poursuivre les présentations ici dans la salle de réunion. Season. I don't believe in TV. Commissioner Bomberger, District 1.

Scott Nelson, District 4.

Melissa Harris, District 3.

Barry Halverson, District 2. Commissioner Pestinger, are you present? Kevin Pestinger, District 5. Commissioner Miller.

Miller for District 1, 1.

Commissioner Kaiser.

Sandy Kaiser, I live and serve District 3.

Commissioner Fishburne.

Joe Fishburne, I live and serve District 4.

Perfect, thank you very much. I hope everyone had the opportunity to examine our proposed agenda. We have an amendment to simply interrupt points 5 and 6 for time issues. This will not affect the duration of the meeting, just the passage order. As a result, I am ready to receive a motion for a modified agenda. Motion adopted. All those who are in favor of this agenda have been approved. Our agenda has been approved. Has everyone had the opportunity to consult the report of our meeting of August 19, 2026? If so, I would receive a motion. Motion to approve the report and accept the audio recording as an official document. Are there any comments on this report? All those who are in favor of the approval of the 19 August, 2026 report, say for ICPIR.

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For. Oppositions? Abstentions? Very well, we have accepted our report. We now begin the part of our meeting devoted to the comments of the public. We have general directives for speech that everyone knows, I suppose, but I will remind them. Please introduce yourself by specifying the address of your residence in the county. Please contact the Planning Commission and not the public or the staff. The commissioners cannot respond to the comments of the public. The speaking time is limited to three minutes by intervening. A timer will appear on the screen. Just to note, Colin was there. He was simply not promoted as a panelist. He just came to be a panelist. Commissioner Olladay, can you hear us? I can see that he is there, but... It will take a second. Yes, they just promoted him to... that the verbal trial indicates that he is also present.

Uh, no comment that... Sorry, I have just been added as a panelist. Thank you.

Welcome. No comment with obscene character, offensive, incendiary, hateful, defamatory or discriminatory or discriminatory. No comment with commercial character. All documents provided to the county can be disclosed in accordance with the law on public archives. Remarks on projects that have already been made public by a public audience of the Commission of Urbanism will be transmitted to the Council of County Commissioners for examination. Nous allons commencer ici dans la salle de réunion avec Betsy Norton.

Bonjour les commissaires à l'urbanisme. Je n'ai pas eu le temps de mettre cela par écrit. Je ferai donc un suivi avec la documentation nécessaire. Je voulais juste faire quelques... Je travaille avec ça, je suis ornithologue. J'ai posé une question aujourd'hui à mes amis ornithologues. Just a few of them, and I received immediate responses concerning wetlands, retention pools and flooded fields. And these wetlands are very important. First of all, wetlands are crucial for birds, whether they are migratory or resident. And it is important to maintain a certain level of quality. Otherwise, you will end up with invasive species only, where you will create algae proliferation and all kinds of things like that. It is therefore essential to take into account the cumulative impacts on each wet zone due to environmental development, to the various factors that penetrate it, in particular the excess or lack of water, the contaminants, the flow of rainwater and the speed with which these waters reach the area. All this is crucial for the habitat. So I encourage you to pay attention to it. I would also like to say that when I participated in the counting of Christmas birds in the county of Lewis, I went out and the skookumshook was chained because of bad weather. And the skookumshook was full of wood and all that kind of stuff. It was huge. And suddenly I realized that if we clean all the ditches, all the streams and all the rivers so that they drain properly and protect the properties, then the water has nowhere to go. They were in flooded fields because it was a safe refuge for them during this period. And I think it's important to think about the fauna. You know, when we have these extreme weather phenomena, they are not only difficult for us, they are also difficult for animals. And we must not exclude all their options when, where, where to go to find a safe refuge during these periods. Secondly, I would say that in terms of climate modelling and real delimitation of wetlands, it's really important, it's really important. I consulted the site of the American Society of Civil Engineers. They have some elements that could be useful to you and I will give you these examples on how to apply climate history and forecasts to try to get a more precise picture of the real situation. The second thing he proposes is a way to explain to the public the map of the FEMA, the floods and the risk of floods, which more precisely describes to the public what the statistics say, namely a probability. It is not an event calendar. And thirdly, keep in mind the cumulative impact. I know that for the orders on the critical areas, you only consider the level of the project. This takes into account the atmospheric cloud and everything that is already present. When you examine what happens to the surrounding environment. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Then we have Rhonda Larsen-Kramer.

My name is Rhonda Larsen-Kramer and I live at 1814 East Side Street South East in Olympia. I would like to put you back an article just published that I just finished and that could be useful while you are considering modifications of the urban code in the future. As you know, alignment trees are essential to shade the asphalt and sidewalks and to reduce the effect of heat islands. But the tree codes in this county can allow promoters to plant trees in relatively restricted spaces between sidewalks and streets. As the tree matures, the roots raise the sidewalks and in the end, the mature trees can be cut down, replaced by young trees that will take decades to offer a comparable shade. There is a way to design future developments differently. In Kitchener, Ontario, promoters are not content to design streets to then see what will hold in the remaining spaces. Trees and their soil needs are taken into account as soon as streets and other infrastructure are designed. Kitchener imposes a specific volume of functional soil based on the adult size of the tree. If necessary, the root passages can be extended under the sidewalks to connect to additional soil on the other side. And in the new lots, at least 80% of the required trees must be of medium or large size rather than small ornamental trees. Canberra in Australia adopts a similar approach focused on results. It imposes minimum soil volumes based on the size of adult trees and requires that the arrangements reach a specific vegetal cover for maturity. What I find particularly interesting is that Canberra requires a more important plant coverage in its dense residential areas than in its less dense areas. As the residential density increases, the percentage of plant coverage required also increases. I think there is an important lesson to be learned in the context of these reflections on the representation of urbanism. The protection of trees and urban development must not necessarily be contradictory objectives. Sometimes the solution simply lies in better management standards.

Je vais vous distribuer cet article.

Je n'étais pas par...

Well, what's next? We have Christy White.

Good evening, Commissioner. My name is Christy White and I live in the county of New Hanover. My comments this evening are about chapter 24.30, about the critical zones and the chapter dedicated to the U.S. zones. As my written comments, which I sent you earlier, are very long, I will summarize the key points this evening. Je demande respectueusement à la commission d'urbanisme de charger le personnel, d'examiner mes commentaires et d'en intégrer autant que possible dans ce chapitre. Je reconnais que le personnel a fourni un travail considérable sur ce chapitre. C'est un document long, détaillé et hautement technique. 47 pages rien que pour cette section sur les zones humides. My comments, given the short time between the publication and this evening, I expect that there will be others after a more in-depth examination. So this is only the short version for tonight. Four key areas. First, strengthen the objective of the chapter. J'encourage la Commission à envisager une formulation qui aille au-delà de la simple prévention d'une pertenette de zone humide, pour soutenir également un gain net de fonction et de valeur, incluant leur restauration et leur amélioration. Deuxièmement, clarifier l'usage du terme caviar. Il a été supprimé à de nombreux endroits dans le chapitre, mais il subsiste quelques occurrences et j'aimerais demander son remplacement par une formulation plus définitive. This would avoid any ambiguity for the staff and candidates regarding the exact meaning of this PE2 case. Thirdly, review the table with 24.34 of the authorized uses. One of the things noticed is why an asphalt plant would be implanted in a humid zone? Why would intensive biosolid plants be placed in critical areas? I also think about the manipulative installations of dangerous materials. So I ask that we really examine this table and the uses that are allowed. To clarify the best scientific data available and the inventory standards of wetlands. The chapter should really define what are the most current standards available. et définir. Quand une personne dépose une demande, quelle norme est en vigueur? Comment créer un langage qui soit très définitif? Si quelque chose sort six mois plus tard, alors qu'ils sont en cours de demande, les normes changent-elles? Donc vraiment définir cela spécifiquement. Voilà donc les quatre points clés. Et bien sûr, il y a une longue liste de détails, ligne par ligne, dans le chapitre. Mais si nous pouvions au moins examiner ces points, ce serait formidable. Merci.

Merci. Y a-t-il quelqu'un en ligne qui souhaite s'adresser à la commission d'urbanisme ? Bonny, vous êtes la première.

Muette. Activez le micro. Ai-je bien fait ?

You're doing very well.

Oh, hello!

Oh my god. Sorry. Meja? Bonnie, we'll come back to you in a minute. We'll first go to the other people. But I'll come back to you. That would be better. Actually, I'm back. They're outside. We'll come back to you.

That would be great.

Okay, can we start over? Okay, I've seen things that I really don't like about it. I did surveys for the Ruisseau team and I took people to study the ecological corridors. Sometimes this was defined by the number of animals killed on the road by vehicles. Some of these animals were amphibians moving from wet areas to a road with very bright lights. They remained frozen under these lights and ended up being crushed by vehicles. J'aime vraiment le fait que vos mesures de minimisation proposent l'utilisation de lumières ambrées ou orangées. C'est une lumière très agréable. Ce n'est pas cette lumière blanche aveuglante. Cela devrait améliorer la fonction des zones humides en permettant aux créatures de continuer à se déplacer. Cela améliore donc le fonctionnement des zones humides. One of the functions is to provide a place of reproduction to amphibians who, outside the season, like red-naped frogs and salamanders from the northwest, go for long walks up to a kilometer. But we recorded that they moved away from 200 meters from the wet areas to stay stuck under bright lights, right? And it's really terrible. I mean, it's a champion behavior. We simply thought of shooting at the lights to turn them off, but since we were the team of the stream, we couldn't do it. But I really like your measure of minimization. And there could be others, like changing road coatings. But that's in a way the reason why I think he's proposing this. So I think that if a biologist specialized in wetlands indicates that a wet local zone shelters amphibians and that it is part of an evaluation system, then it would be a good thing. I think it would be good, you know, to ask them to do it, to consider lighting that is also more pleasant for drivers. We can see it very well. It's just that it's not this dazzling light. So I think it would be a criterion that would concern the previous person. For example, when would you use one of these minimization measures? Secondly, I think that historical maps can really inform the owners and, you know, maybe, let them know what the former GLO geometers, the General Land Office, knew, like, hey, this whole area was uninhabitable. Or the depth maps of the floods of 1989 for the Salmon Creek basin. But I noticed that you did this online study on the extent of hydromorphic soils. And I think it's really important for owners and buyers to know, because it allows them to know certain existing constraints. And I think it's really important. Hydromorphic soils are a measure of wetlands. And I think it would be very important and that it would determine whether you use the 2023 Ecology Manual to define both the limits of wetlands and their classification. Thank you.

Merci beaucoup. Ensuite, nous avons Vanessa Laval.

Bonsoir à tous. Merci pour votre temps et je tiens aussi à dire que je pense que vous faites un excellent travail. Je suis vraiment très reconnaissante que vous accomplissiez cette tâche difficile qui profitera à tout le comté de Thurston. So I think that the absence of a toilet is one of the objectives recognized by the group, but by examining some historical maps, such as what the previous speaker just mentioned, that of the General Land Office of 1812, it really shows how much there were more wet areas here before we started to modify the landscape. And so I like to see that there was a form of commitment written to support a gutter of wet areas and tampon areas. And I think that examining these maps to see some of these places with a very high friatric bed or historical floods could be really precious and important. And then speaking of maps, there are so many, aren't there? There are the maps of the floods of the FEMA, the maps of the wetlands, the maps of the GLO that I just mentioned, and they highlight something slightly different. And I think they all have value and that they should perhaps be made available on a website of the county for the owners and the promoters. And I believe that some lesson. But there is such a profusion of cards, honestly. And you know, with the cards of the FEMA regularly updated, it all depends on the year to know what impression you have on the way the water will circulate on your property. And so I was just wondering if it was possible to regroup them in a space where someone could refer to, which could avoid them some troubles during the construction on a field. And I also really appreciate the manual on the wetlands of 2023 of the Department of Ecology. And I think I like the way they define the waters of the state. And so I just encourage you to examine that. And I suppose that the term Adoptex would perhaps be appropriate. So thank you very much for your time.

Thank you. Next, we have Phyllis Farrell.

Can you hear me? D'accord, bonsoir. Merci. Je m'appelle Phyllis Farrell. J'habite dans la zone de Sunwood Lakes, dans la partie non constituée en municipalité du comté de Thurston, et je tiens à remercier les commissaires et le personnel pour le bon travail qu'ils accomplissent. J'ai soumis des commentaires écrits plus tôt aujourd'hui. J'espère que vous les avez à votre disposition, mais je vais essayer de résumer ce qui sont pour moi des commentaires prioritaires. À la page 1, 2014-2013, le libellé stipule que les zones humides ne comprennent pas les zones humides artificielles créées intentionnellement sur des sites qui n'étaient pas des zones humides. I would like to suggest that if these plots work as wetlands, they should be included. No matter if the plot has been intentionally created before, if it works as a wetland and provides a habitat, it must be defined and protected and protected. On page 7, 2430.45, wetland tampons. J'ai remarqué le libellé concernant les corridors d'habitat, mais très franchement, je me suis perdue dans ce langage, en essayant de déterminer si, quand et où les corridors d'habitat sont prioritaires. Ce langage pourrait-il être clarifié ? À la page 15, zone tampon humide, protection des arbres. Je suppose que la citation correspond au texte sur la protection des arbres qui s'aligne sur la politique récemment approuvée par le comté, mais ma question est, qui détermine quand l'abattage d'arbres est nécessaire pour la restauration et à quel point le plan de restauration doit être rigoureux. Je souhaiterais voir un langage spécifique traitant de ce point. À la page 23, normes et usages autorisés, cela a déjà été mentionné auparavant. Pourquoi diable une centrale d'enrobage d'asphalte serait-elle autorisée à proximité d'une zone humide?

Où?

Oui, une autre remarque serait de supprimer les nouvelles rampes de mise à l'eau, quai, jeté et ponton dans les catégories 3 et 4. The maintenance and repair of existing facilities should be authorized, with specific permits for leveling, but the new ones would have cumulative effects, compromising the objective of no net loss. There are already public facilities and approved sites available. And page 24, I was happy to see the ban on the infiltration of recovered waters. However, I would warn against any use of recovered waters near wetlands due to reports emerging on pollutants such as PFAS. And, as it was mentioned earlier, page 28, biosolids should not be allowed near a wetland for reasons. Sanitary risks related to PFAS, microplastics, pharmaceutical products, etc. In 2024, Washington adopted a law to implement the biosolids test, but it was not planned before 2029. So, the county of Thurston could take the measure to ban the spreading of biosolids, at least in or near wetlands. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Next, we have Loretta Sepanen.

Good evening, Commissioner. Loretta Sepanen, Olympia, Washington. I am also talking about the new formulation of the code that we are examining concerning wetlands. I am going to talk about the need for more clarity and, in a way, to take up some of the things that other people have talked about. Et ce faisant, je veux m'assurer que vous sachiez que je soutiens les changements, les concepts de ces changements. J'ai juste besoin qu'ils soient formulés plus clairement. Je vais énumérer certaines des choses que j'ai mises dans ma note, mais je ne pourrai pas toutes les couvrir. L'une d'elles est une répétition d'il y a un mois, quand j'ai dit que cette histoire d'option 1, option 3, et maintenant vous l'appelez option 2, est vraiment complexe et nécessite une forme d'illustration graphique. J'en ai vu aucune. We have had a month now to see some of these things appear. It's not there. Please ask the staff to create graphics, both for option 1, option 2 and for this thing called habitat corridor. I would like to have, in the case of option 1, where we try to be more flexible with the size of the tampon area, something really specific. Il y a toute une section là-dedans qui dit, oh, si c'est faisable, vous pourriez faire ceci. Ou certaines parties sont obligatoires, mais pas toutes. Ce n'est pas, c'est un langage ambigu, et ce n'est pas approprié pour les actions de l'option 1. Then, the whole concept of option 1 and option 2, the concepts are excellent. These are the labels that pose problems. They say nothing at all to the askers. I suggested other words that you could use instead. I also suggested reversing them and putting option 2, which I think is the default option in first and option 1 in second, in short. I gave you seven terms that were not defined and that must be. One of them in particular tonight, which I hope the team will talk about, is enamel. It is in the two tables, table 1 and table 3. Does this mean that we really don't need a buffer zone in these cases? This is the case in half of the situations where enamel appears. There is no definition of what enamel is. The housing corridor is a main idea. It's very important. I don't think we talked about it a month ago. You talked about it. I feel like we're talking about it because we're all sitting here listening to you, a month ago, when we talked about all this. And it's very important. I think I understand what it means. A strip of land between the wetland and something largely intact and legally preserved. For example, a conservation service or a DNA refuge. And apparently it allows you to reduce the size of the 25% tampon area if you have it, but it is not defined and we have not discussed it. This is the main point, I would like to discuss it. And this requires a graphic. I would like to support the comments that Phyllis and Chris Wright shared with you on various points to make the whole text clearer. Merci de prendre en considération les changements que je recommande.

Merci beaucoup. Y a-t-il quelqu'un d'autre en ligne qui souhaiterait s'adresser à la commission d'urbanisme? D'accord, nous allons passer à la partie de notre réunion consacrée au compte-rendu des commentaires du public afin que l'équipe puisse répondre à certains d'entre vous.

Oui, je dirais que nous devrions probablement garder une grande partie de cela pour la discussion après avoir entendu Claire une fois qu'elle sera prête. I want, I think, to address a point that I find delicate, but not impossible. The idea of including Gannet as one of the objectives, I think we should be very careful about the way we integrate such a thing.

We could have a Gannet objective as a community, but you are not authorized to put this responsibility on a permit asker.

Il existe des moyens d'avoir un gain net comme objectif politique, mais en faire une responsabilité pour les demandeurs. C'est anticonstitutionnel. Mais il existe des moyens de construire notre CAO pour aider à faciliter cela. Je pense par exemple aux normes que nous imposons à quelqu'un qui réalise un projet de restauration. We could simplify some stages of the process, given the probability that this leads to no net loss or a net gain of ecological function in many cases. There are therefore ways to do some of this, but once again, imposing it on an individual permit asker is not allowed. There is a point that I wanted to address concerning the principle of acquired rights. You know now that I work in the field of permits, I see that every day. There is a doctrine of acquired rights that stipulates that once a request is considered complete, it is subject to the standards in force at the time of its disposal. They have the possibility to ask for a change to a new code if it is more favorable or more adapted to their proposal, but otherwise it remains subject to the rules from the moment the request was complete. I just wanted it to be subject to the formal process. The question of knowing which version of an ecology manual, for example, uses this doctrine of rights acquired limits the discretion of local authorities to bring this change later.

It's a bit in the same vein as when a specific request comes up, what set of standards do you use? Dans ce même cadre, à quel moment prend-on une photo de la situation pour déterminer quel BAS meilleur sens disponible utiliser une fois le code adopté? Si nous adoptons un code fin 2025 et que nous obtenons de nouvelles meilleures données scientifiques en 2027, devons-nous attendre 2036 avant de pouvoir mettre en œuvre ces meilleures données scientifiques avec la nouvelle mise à jour?

Pour le CAO, si c'était quelque chose d'inscrit dans le code, nous pourrions le faire beaucoup plus rapidement.

Would this require a complete examination process, a planning commission, a council of county commissioners or an administrative process?

Via this process. Let me see.

Unless there are questions from the planning commission.

I think we could. Approach it later.

I think it will be part of the discussion on the codes.

Does anyone have an emergency to deal with before we move on to our point on new uses and regulated standards? Very well, we will now move on to work session number 1, introduction to new uses and regulated standards and... Good evening, Commissioner.

My name is Andrew Bond. I am responsible for community development at the OCPED. I supervise everything that concerns permits. This evening's presentation is based on the Urbanism Code, the new uses and the associated standards. This is the first time that the Urbanism Commission is examining this file. We haven't really had a list of uses to examine lately. So this is our first attempt. It is very similar to the update of the examination process of permits and the clarification of the Code. It is a kind of for-all category that allows us to act quickly.

To enter the book of the subject, let's see, I was disconnected.

Just to clarify for everyone, this is a distinct point of the Benvis EGO file on which we work.

And the table of uses is a totally different thing. Table of uses. Ana Rodriguez, principal urbanist.

So, a little overview. We will make a general introduction on the file of the new uses and associated standards, then we will address the potential uses that we have heard from different members of the community, the resources options, then the next steps. Today is really a reflection session. No code will be addressed. There is no intention beyond the simple idea The new uses and associated standards constitute a part of the urbanism code, as I said before, intended to respond to emerging problems, sectors, changes, and the dynamics of the society to which we can adapt immediately as soon as they become relevant for the SORSTAR account. Concretely, this means that when we deal with this use, we define what it means, how it applies to the community and how it integrates in it, whether by attenuation, landscape planning or simply the type of permit required. But moving on to the next slide, this is the fun part. When it appears, it will be some potential uses. Many of these uses are familiar to you, such as detention centers or data centers. Everyone has heard of it in one way or another, but there are other uses that no one has really heard of or that we do not understand the context of. One of them is a drone take-off facility. A large part of the Southeast really seems to adopt the delivery service by Amazon drone where they put the package in the garden. We haven't really started thinking about what that would mean for the Surston County and the state of Washington. And the state of Washington. The Ministry of Transport is actually starting to study the question and its impact on the state's global transport network. So why not take advantage of their research and see how it could be integrated into the Surston County if we want to consider it. Another point concerns the familial cemeteries. It's very similar to a kind of private cemetery, essentially. But it would be specific to the families. They would have a good number of types of facilities that we find in a cemetery, mausoleums, tombs, and so on, and so on. But it has its own nuances. There are requirements in terms of health codes, requirements of placement related to flood zones, simply because we saw what happened with Hurricane Katrina. This can have a significant impact on the health and overall security of a community when other people believe it. This is the heart of this slide and I would like to open the discussion to the Commission of Urbanism to see what other ideas, uses or things they have heard about. They would like us to consider in our approach several steps for new uses. And the next step will be in a way our research following our in-depth study of the issue. So I leave the floor to the Urbanism Commission to know their opinion.

Go ahead, Commissioner Bartlett.

Thanks. In direct connection with burial sites. Obviously, I'm interested in burial sites in general. But in this particular case, I wonder if we take into account ecological burials and human composting, this kind of thing, or if it is a distinct use I know that this is something that we are really trying to do, especially within the funeral community. So I wanted to know where we are on this subject, maybe as a distinct category or an extension of existing cemeteries, because the risks are very different.

It would be a distinct use. This is included in the framework of the 229 bill adopted by the Legislative body. This mentions specific elements, such as the columbariums, which are the spaces that welcome the urns. So I think that this would come out of the framework of what is included in this provision of the State. However, nothing prevents us from exploring it, also in the framework of the research process for this point of the file.

If the Commission of Urbanism is interested, we can do research.

I just wanted to say that if the Urbanism Commission wants me to go deeper into the subject, we can include it in the list. It's quite open.

Do you want me to dig into the question of all that concerns family cemeteries? Personally, I'm more concerned by recent events.

I know that during our discussion on the PDG, I talked about the use of water in wet areas, but I don't know many people in the county who say, yes, let's build a huge data center here.

Currently, there are already many codes governing the elimination of bodies. In the county, probably through the Ministry of Health and others. It is therefore only a matter of knowing where you can install them. And we must regulate the part concerning the location. For example, to avoid flooded areas, This is not part of the integration zone of cemeteries.

We can assume that this is in line with the requirements of the health code. This would allow us to go a little further. If we think of a family cemetery, the different types of facilities present in a cemetery would be classified as an accessory structure in residential areas. There are therefore limitations concerning the location, the location, the proximity and sometimes the number, depending on the situation of the site. This would create a specific clause that would allow to address the question from a different angle than that of a classic property with its two shelters, its garage, etc.

etc. Are you also going to distinguish rural areas from urban areas ?

It is also part of the things to be examined. What happens if a family decides to have a cemetery on its property, follows the procedure, then changes owner? What happens if someone buys a property and wants to rent it? What happens to the part of the property reserved for the family cemetery? These are all points that the legislator has raised by considering this use. According to the law of the state, this could even be totally forbidden. C'est simplement moins risqué que les centres de détention qui font l'objet d'un moratoire ou les centres de données qui sont des sujets très sensibles dans le comté. Nous avons surtout discuté au fil du temps de logements moins restrictifs pour les délinquants sexuels. Si cela n'avait pas fait l'objet d'un point spécifique au programme, cela aurait été inclus ici. The solar energy related provisions that we adopted in the program. We were in the middle of important periodic updates. If we hadn't been in the middle of updates, these provisions would have been integrated into this part of the program. Everything that is imaginable. You could have ideas, then we'll come back to you to say that we already have provisions for that. We just haven't memorized the entirety of the code yet.

This is where the question of telecommunications also intervened concerning potential uses. You know, the installation of all these Wi-Fi access points and...

C'était un point du programme à part entière il y a quelques années.

Je parle de là où cela nous menait, n'est-ce pas ? Oui, c'est exact. Et on peut toujours faire le lien avec le Johnson Creek Smokehouse, où nous avons créé un code spécifique pour une seule entreprise. L'idée est donc d'atténuer l'accent mis sur les points individuels et de tout regrouper. Et s'il n'y a vraiment aucune nouvelle utilisation, nous ne sommes pas obligés d'aller de l'avant. Mais nous avons un projet actif sur lequel le Conseil nous a demandé de travailler. And of course, these are detention centers, and there is also the interest for data centers, but it is an open file. We can therefore add as many things as we want, put everything together in one package, and all this will cross the line of arrival together.

Personally, regarding the list we have so far, and I am sure it will be summarized, I think that the question of family cemeteries could be addressed if the time allows. Commissioner Fishburne. Yes.

It looks like it's more of an opportunity to add elements to the list rather than removing them. And I know, I heard a comment, I think it was M. Rodriguez, who mentioned that data centers were controversial, but it's something I would like to see removed from the list, given the recent news and articles we have seen and heard. I also have trouble with detention centers. I think there are probably other more constructive uses for the county of Thurston that would benefit more from residents of the county. Things like, you know, getting interested in ecotourism. We have a project that a former county commissioner had launched, the Bountiful Byways, where I believe along the road 507 And you know, in all transparency, I would be impacted by this as a potential business owner on this corridor, but I have not seen so much effort put in there, nor on the kind of installation that we could build along these bountiful byways as we could. So it's a potential use that we can make in terms of trade to help small businesses to prosper along this corridor that already exists. Another thing that I think is quite interesting and should be explored more is that in Tenino there is a, I don't even know what it's called exactly, but it's like a food center or a center of agricultural transformation. And it's the only one I know in the region, but there seems to be an opportunity for other structures of this type to be developed and built. So if there are possibilities to add something like that to the list, it would be great. And then, you know, there are, I think, a growing number of residents who own and use electric vehicles. What I don't see is public access to capacity or charging installations for electric and fleet vehicles. So I think that would be a good thing to add to the list. That's it, those are the things that come to mind. So, I think that part of the confusion in this conversation comes from the way it is presented, because the term UG use implies authorized uses.

I think there is an interest to define a good number of these things to prevent their use. Does the fact of addressing these subjects allow us to do so? Or is it because it is not as it was presented?

And so it's confusing for us as a conversation, because I don't think any of us is a big supporter of data centers. When we had the discussion on the CAO, it is not defined. So you're just talking about defining these uses to be able to say that we don't want it here.

If we do not define and do not indicate what is authorized or not, then if someone comes to make a request, we will have to find a way to get a permit. Like this bank installation.

Do you understand? Why is it confusing, the way it is presented, because we have not really addressed, like... I would say it's... So that we can stop them, that kind of thing.

Yes. I would say it's about potential non-use, as much as use.

That's right. We are actually talking about defined use. And once we define something, we can ban it, that's what I think I understand. I think that if I understand you well, Bill, you say, well, we shouldn't talk about authorizing data centers. We don't want data centers.

Yes, exactly.

If we want to define what they are to prohibit them beyond a certain size, right? Right? Like the consumption of others. We must first define them as use. Then establish the rules on their possibility of construction or not. It's a previous presentation. Okay. I think it helps. It helped me because I was confused. I'll be honest.

Yes. Thank you for trying to clarify that, Christian Bomberger. You know, while we're talking here, I don't know why, but the other thing that came to mind is the idea of, once again, it comes from this rural perspective, doesn't it? We have a rural transport service that unlocks Régnier. And I see that it's literally called Rural Transit. It's this vehicle that looks like a transport, to the demand that circulates. And I see it parked in various places around Régnier. I don't see a specific location where it could be often available. Which doesn't make much sense to me, because we have a few starting points for the Sentier IEM Touténino, and one of them has a very nice parking lot. That being said, I think... You know, places where people could... You could take public transport or park for public transport, you know, like a relay parking lot or something like that, in rural areas. Do we have things like that defined, or is there something we could add to the list?

So I just want to take a little step back.

I thank Commissioner Bamberger for bringing this context because it is a rather confusing subject and it is obviously the first time that we see this. In fact, this examines what you can do today with your property and what you cannot do. And when we find ourselves in situations where it is not defined or mentioned, we are obliged to find a solution established via the existing code, by interpretations, uses or standards in force to create this path to a resolution. What this hopes to accomplish is to bring clarity to these recurring subjects. We hear a lot about detention centers, data centers, and so on. This does not necessarily mean that it is approved and that it will be installed everywhere. Now, it is we who define it. We set the standards. These standards can stipulate that they cannot be placed less than 300 meters from a person. Nobody. This can include pretty crazy things like that, I mean in a realistic way in the case of the law. But does it help to create this framework to say no or yes?

Wait and see whether it is an annual procedure or every year we will come back to that. I think that it is every two years that we will have enough elements to form a file. And the idea is such that the Urbanism Commission makes a recommendation on the subjects to be dealt with, then that you present them to the Council after having deepened them.

No, we will present them to you. We will therefore deepen them with you. We will elaborate the ordinances with you and we will present them to...

It is really our opportunity to define our own agenda.

A little. In addition to the already fixed agenda.

Well, we can't fix this one.

You can be involved and provide a recommendation on the projects as well as on the priorities.

This is where the whole advantage of the approach appears. There are a lot of manoeuvres within this jump. And you try to develop our first jump, and in this first jump you have these four elements. And you ask yourself if there is anything else you would like to add to this jump.

I would quickly ask the question, how are we supposed to get there? For example, potential uses. They can be anything and everything, right? Alors comment avez-vous trouvé ces quatre-là ? Est-ce parce que vous en entendez parler un peu plus souvent ? Est-ce qu'il se passe dans d'autres comtés ? Peut-être moins bien défini ou est-ce une tendance émergente ?

C'est tout cela à la fois et bien plus encore. Évidemment, nous avons actuellement un moratoire en place pour les centres de détention. Cela définit un plan de travail que nous devons suivre selon la résolution adoptée. Cependant, cela établit un processus clair pour ce point de l'ordre du jour afin d'inclure d'autres sujets dont les gens parlent. We hear about data centers all the time. Many cities have adopted moratoriums concerning them to restrict or prohibit them during this period. As Anna mentioned, cemeteries are linked to changes in the laws of the state, perhaps. So we sometimes have to address questions related to a specific use. Usually, these are processes or very general subjects, but sometimes it focuses on a precise use. And this is the case here. Then, for drone installations, the subject was raised during a conference of urbanism, where a drone operator showed interest in the idea of studying Amazon deliveries via these installations. And, in parallel to this, the Ministry of Transport launched a complete study on the subject. It seemed appropriate for us to lean on it as a group, because we obviously will not do this every year. Point.

And it is perhaps our luck, before a few years have passed, that we find ourselves again facing this.

So I think I'm still a little confused.

It looks like these are not personal uses, but rather all these types of uses.

These are personal uses in the sense that, as a private owner, you could ask to exercise this use on your property. I think you wouldn't necessarily do it yourself because, as you said, these are rather commercial uses. But if you were in the commercial sector and you wanted to build a commercial facility to operate a drone site or a data center, It would be the same context from a commercial point of view rather than residential.

This process seems mainly to be a way to regulate emerging industries in which we could be hesitant. Can we also use this process to encourage other uses that are not currently authorized? For example, I would really like us to be able to allow people to build mobile home parks in rural areas of the county. We have not had a new mobile home park in the county of Thurston for about 52 years. It was in the 70s, the last time we built a mobile home park. And we know that for this last quintile of the population in our community, it could be very useful. So if we could use this process to find low-income social housing solutions, like a mobile home park, I think it would really be a beneficial use.

So we have already defined this use. I think this will be perfectly integrated in the update related to housing in the framework of the joint codes.

Could we use this process to speed things up instead of waiting to deal with housing again?

I think we are dealing with housing. We will come back to you all on the basis of the recommendation of the Urbanism Commission. The only point you wanted us to address was housing. We will therefore increase all residential densities so that they are in line with the cities, while modifying our code on accessory housing, because since its adoption, we have identified gaps and elements to clarify. And this is the opportunity to do it.

It seems that the current code on mobile home parks is quite clear and not too restrictive.

Well, the practical effects are quite limited, you don't have the necessary density. If you are in a unit for 5 acres, how are you going to build a mobile home park with such a density in the rural area? And how are you going to manage important septic systems? Water supply is the problem of density which is the most important in the rural area. This is the real challenge. Our current definition literally requires the presence of at least two mobile homes on a plot belonging to a single owner.

Look at the zoning and the corresponding regulations in the context of this zoning, as well as a specific chapter in the manufactured mobile home park. There are redundancies in our code and some things appear in several places.

Great. I looked at the definition which seemed quite simple but ... A good starting point.

I think the way I see things is to determine in which area this use could be prohibited, which prevents its development. So correct me if I'm wrong, what could we do with the uses and the standards? In short, we could simply remove the obstacles if these really constitute a barrier for the uses and the standards. I think it's something we could go deeper into, but it seems that it's probably not the real obstacle.

It may not be the right lever for that.

It looks like it's not a new use. I think that, as Anna said about the common codes, this will happen relatively soon. We are in the process of finalizing the general framework, but it will be quite complete. It will not be specific to the common code. Obviously, we have a lot of changes to make to the common code to align them with the current housing standards. But what is great is that we can also examine Title 20, which recently came into force, to correct the flaws that we have discovered, and we will take advantage of it. So if there are flaws concerning these facilities, we will be able to correct them at that time.

So you are now asking for other ideas of potential use to be defined. Does someone else have something to... Well, if we are happy to define, I think that evoking ecological inhumation is a good thing. The law it speaks of literally requires that if you have a private land, you are now allowed to create small plots for burials. We will therefore address it anyway, because we are obliged to do so by the change of law. There is no harm in evoking ecological inhumation.

Yes, I just think that the risk assessment is so different from the one where a body is buried with conservationists in a structure for a long period that it must be evaluated differently.

For me, if this project is limited in resources, do you want it to be classified? They will all be grouped together. Also, I examined the permits. Basically, if there are more than four mobile homes, everything goes through a special examination audience.

So we have modified this section of the code as part of the overall plan. However, this is not reflected in the minicode. You will therefore have to go to our website, on the page of the new codes and policies, and search in the PDF.

I must browse the PDF. I cannot use the real codes in my document.

It's in progress. It has been sent back to the grapher to ensure that Unicode integrates it. But before you officially declare that there is only one unit missing, I wanted... Oh, it's six now?

That's right.

We have changed the administrative aspect compared to the automatic one. Once again, it's in the PDF.

Less auditing by audience. It's more administrative, so it's faster. At what frequency can we update it? Update this list? Yes.

Hum, I think we could potentially add one or two more uses to what you will decide tonight, during the next meeting. But once this next meeting is over, it will be rather, here we are. Do we agree with this list? Very well, let's move on and start elaborating the code. If you want to try again, you should be re-registered to the program. Hum, we will continue to try to ensure that it is registered indefinitely to the program. So, if there is anything in the future, once this is over, we will just put it aside.

Once we have enough to move forward with a substantial file, we will submit it again. And if something seems to be an emergency, we will probably have to add it. For example, next year, when General Electric will start selling small nuclear reactors at Walmart, that everyone will want to install one in his garden, we can get the total list quite quickly.

In theory, yes, unless the law of the state demands it. Good to support your contribution.

Very well, except if someone has something else for Andrew.

If we find other ideas here, can we send you a message or an email on this subject or... We should discuss this at the next meeting. I think it depends on you on how you want to approach it, if there is a consensus or individual demands. I think that in general it is a consensual demand. It's a consensus. Yes. I think that at your next meeting, if you want to do it during the general discussion, then okay, let me know or whatever else. Discuss this for two weeks and we'll talk about it again. And... Yes. Yes, I don't want to start panicking over a bunch of things that we don't really have time for. Because it's our only chance to do it.

I think it's too heavy too. It could be that the BOCC says it's too high. Vote point by point on these elements.

But thank you everyone. Thank you and I appreciate your comments and your patience while we manage this first use. Well, we're going to move on to point number...

5 and now 6, namely the CAO work session number 22, the code project on wet areas. And it's Blair who will fill in.

Blair, are you online?

Yes, I am. Let's see.

Do you have permission to cut the microphone?

I think so. Let me make sure I can share my screen here. Go to presenter mode. Do you all see the diaporama now?

Perfect, very good. So today we are going to talk about the code project on wet zones for the order on critical zones. I think I'm going to start by addressing some points from today's public comments. Wet zones are a fairly complex critical zone to regulate, so I think there are a lot of interesting things to say about this subject. Let's see. One of the first points, and I think one of the simplest to deal with, is the use of the term kemeiku, power, in the code. I am quite willing to go back and examine how we use it, but a meige and k'chal serve very precise objectives in the legal language. And yes, it is true that the use of the word a meige allows for greater discretion. We are trying to use it where there could be scenarios where this discretion is really necessary. We can also use the word kashud, for real, where we want to encourage something, but where discretion can remain necessary. Also, some of the K-Makers who have been highlighted in the written comments, I have just seen them. I think some of them could be kashud, but I don't know. So we can certainly see that again. Yes, if you noticed, especially in option 1, there are a lot of non-applicable N-askers in the tables. This is because, and we can also consult the tables later, the types of wet areas in these tables are essentially divided according to the fact that it is a standard type of wet area, without particular characteristics that we evaluate on the basis of its habitat score and its category. Or some of them, like if you see a specific reference to an interdunar humid zone, for example, it is a special characteristic. So the classical notation system will not apply and the score will be based on special characteristics. And again, I would underline it. We can display the table at the end if it requires more clarification. The definition that excludes non-humid artificial characteristics comes directly from the AACA. Je crois que nous avons la capacité d'être plus strictes que le double wax, mais nous ne pourrions pas être moins strictes. C'est généralement ainsi que cela fonctionne. Donc, cela peut faire l'objet d'une discussion. Concernant le tableau des usages, je suis heureux que les gens aient souligné des usages spécifiques préoccupants. Je serais heureux de revoir cela. Je serais heureux d'entendre la commission d'urbanisme ainsi que toute préoccupation concernant les usages. And then graphics for the paintings. I think there are so many different scenarios, depending on the width of the tampon area or the types of wet areas, that it would be difficult to include everything in the code. But one of the things that I would like to do as part of the adoption of the ordinance on critical areas is to accompany it with documents intended for the public, like the illustrations that I had included in the original presentation. And we can adapt them to information sheets or something like that. I think that would be the best way to proceed. And then, how are buffer zone reductions applied? So for option 1, you can include certain attenuation measures from the table. The terms explaining how they apply and these attenuation measures allow you to reduce your buffer zone if you apply them correctly. The way they apply is essentially to say that This is part of your project and let's say that your project includes lighting, then this lighting must be in accordance with this table. If your project does not involve any lighting, then this section will not apply and we can intervene to make these terms more specific. The current terms come directly from the Ecology Service. Are there any other questions based on what was heard in the public comments today? Very well. Let's start then. So to review the changes made to the Code today, we will talk again about the objectives and the framework of the update of this chapter, take a look at the specific changes, then we will have a discussion time. So our objectives, we are trying to make it easy to consult in one place and to link designations to data accessible to the public. Another point that has been raised in some comments concerning the different cartographic sources, Andy, and we have in fact, in parallel with the CAO's update, carried out an update of the geographic data for the critical areas and it is undertaken with the intention of making our maps more transparent. So, what is the staff focused on? To determine if critical areas are present on a site, we want to ensure that the public is also focused and that it is clear which sources influence the personnel's decisions regarding permits for critical areas. And we try to ensure that the Code also reflects this objective. We try to aim for flexibility without sacrificing protection. In this case, we opted for this combination of option 1 and option 3, on which we will return, while remaining focused on positive environmental results. Okay, so one of the major changes that you will notice is a clear designation of the wet areas in the chapter. It is written at the top of the code itself in order to clearly specify what is considered a wet area. We have also included elements such as an examination distance. The examination distance that we are currently proposing is 315 feet. This is the largest buffer zone possible, with a small margin of maneuver for mapping errors. This would reduce the standard that we currently use for all critical areas, which is 400 feet, which is quite considerable in some cases. We have updated some terms relating to exemptions to align them with the advice on ecology and on the common practices of other codes of other continents. And we include clearer provisions to deal with cartographic errors. Thus, if someone has on their property a marked element, which is obviously a swimming pool or a rainwater reservoir, they can easily fix the situation with the staff without having to worry about a possible permit. And then the major change, of course, is the replacement of our old paving stones by those from options 1 and 3 of the Department of Ecology. It is this combined option that we talked about. What's funny is that they are currently called option 1 and option 2 in the code, because obviously the code does not really contain three options, since we did not use option 2, ecology. I am open to any suggestion of alternative names. And I know that we had some of them during public consultations, so I could refer to them. And I also deleted some old standards, which will essentially be replaced by certain functions of this new text. So, for example, we had reduction standards for buffer zones that can be replaced by the new reduction tables from these ecological options. There are provisions authorizing tree cutting if it is associated with an approved restoration project. This is a request that we have heard from our groups who carry out restoration work in the county. like our environmental NGOs and other similar organizations. And this particularly comes into play when people try to restore prairies, and in the case of wetlands, it would be a restoration of wetlands, which constitutes a truly unique element of our ecosystem. Sometimes the fauna or flora associated with these habitats are invaded by species such as Douglas' fir, and tree deforestation can contribute to restore the initial state of the prairie habitats. We have included a clear language on the sequencing of attenuation measures by simply expliciting it in the Code and specifying that all projects are submitted from eviction to attenuation. The attenuation ratios for the different types of wetlands have been updated with new ecological tables. In the same line as the previous point, the vegetation elimination standards are now aiming to better support restoration projects. Voilà pour l'aperçu des changements. Nous pourrions passer directement à la discussion et si vous souhaitez que j'affiche le code à l'écran à un moment donné, je peux le faire. Très bien.

Quelqu'un a-t-il des questions pour Claire pour commencer ? Pour commencer ? Eh bien, je vais commencer. Alors. Nous avons entendu le public mentionner à quelques reprises l'utilisation de cartes historiques pour essayer de délimiter certaines de ces zones humaines. Existe-t-il un moyen ou serait-il approprié d'utiliser la cartographie historique ne serait-ce que comme un simple outil de dépistage ?

Je dirais que le plus approprié serait de vérifier si quelqu'un à proximité a réalisé un rapport de délimitation des zones humides. Je crois que notre département de données géographiques essaye de mettre à jour ces informations dans la couche des zones humides elles-mêmes. It is a process that we can integrate more in the way we develop the cartographic layers. Wetlands are critical areas that can evolve a lot over time, especially with climate change. There is therefore a risk of using historical maps because they can rely on obsolete data or no longer reflect the best current scientific knowledge, the conditions on the ground, changing over time.

L'autre sujet dont nous avons un peu entendu parler concerne les quais, les flotteurs et les rampes et la question de savoir s'ils peuvent être avec... Oui, un propriétaire peut-il posséder plusieurs parcelles adjacentes ?

Je pense que certaines personnes qui ont été promues plus tôt devraient mettre leur micro en sourdine. Je n'ai pas la possibilité de le faire de mon côté.

Quoi qu'il en soit, sur la question des quais, flotteurs et rampes, il me semble que nous devrions traiter tout cela via le SMP plutôt que d'essayer de le revoir. Via... Oui, nous pouvons certainement nous référer au SMP et vérifier s'il existe une connexion à ce sujet.

It is worth noting that there is a kind of unilateral bridge between the wetlands and the SMP coastline plan for non-coastal critical areas such as watercourses, wetlands or dams that use the ordinance on critical areas. So I think it remains to be discussed how this applies specifically to wetlands and I am ready to follow the directives of the Planning Commission on this subject. Yes, but otherwise we could just try to align it on what is allowed in the SNP.

I guess what I wanted to say is that I have never heard of anyone wanting to install a quay, a pontoon or a ramp in a wetland. It's not really a recreational area, but I could be wrong. Commissioner Pettinger. Commissioner Pettinger, you raised your hand.

Okay. Sorry, someone cut my microphone again. Okay. Wasn't there a public comment about a habitat corridor?

Oh yes. It is already on our radar, following some internal meetings, that we have them. The text on the habitat corridor also comes directly from ecology. But after having examined it, yes, I think we have already planned to update it for the next time. It's just a matter of understanding the mechanisms of their establishment and maybe being more precise on the real standards of their development. I think it will be important for the implementation of this part. So, wait for that next time. Thank you Claire.

Thank you for asking the question.

M. Bartlett, did you...

Just a direct answer. The only way I see wetlands being relevant here is if you have a vast margin of wetlands between you and a point of water atrium to which you are trying to access. And that would be the area where it would have the most negative impact anyway. So if you are in a kind of margin, if your property is in a marginal wetland, this happened to me in my old house in Illinois. We had a big tide between us and a very beautiful lake. So, people created passages, basically, quays or bridge-style bridges to access them.

I understand this part. It's just that in our SMP, if this wet zone is connected to this point of water, the SMP... The SMP always regulates this wet zone. That's always part of it. If there's a connectivity between the wet zone and the point of water... But maybe there's something I don't see here. So if it could be examined, it would not bother me at all. I think I have another one, then. We also heard this, especially from Loretta, when we examined the difference between option 1 and option 3, having a visual or maybe an organogram showing how it would actually work. if something like this could be developed, because it will probably be developed anyway for the construction permit center. But if we could see something like this, I think it would be really useful to compare option 1 and option 3 and see what the organigram is like.

Yes. Is there something you would like to see elaborated, like labeled in the code, or like a support document, just to clarify?

I would say like a support document, but...

Okay. Yes, I think we can do that.

Can someone tell us a little more about the use of recycled used water? Is it to improve wetlands? Is it for specific use? I wasn't sure.

I don't think I've followed this conversation.

The specific use mentioned in the table of uses is the use of recycled used water for the recharging of free water tanks. This is a topic we talked a lot about in the chapter on critical recharging zones, free water tanks. This is obviously where it applies the most. As for the wetlands, I have currently classified them as unauthorized, partly because wetlands are simply not a good place to recharge your naps. These are places that hold water well, but not necessarily. Places where they infiltrate well. And then, these are very sensitive ecosystems. They can be sensitive to excess water or lack of water. So, overall, this is not a good place for this specific activity.

D'abord, je dirais que vous devriez peut-être en parler à la ville demain à ce sujet. La question des zones tampons sur les structures artificielles, je pense que ce n'est pas une bonne idée. Car nous voulons trouver des moyens d'améliorer les choses, mais il n'y a pas de meilleure façon de dire à... Quelqu'un ne le fait pas, il gagne, ne le fait pas, il gagne, il gagne sexier. You have a wet zone of class 1. And if you do some work to improve it, we will impose a larger buffer zone. And also, for what concerns storm basins, I think that it is something that we probably demand. So we are going to force you to install something that will impose a more important retreat on your property. I don't know, I don't see how it can work.

Yes, for now, we are not proposing that artificial structures of this type be subjected to tampon zones of wetlands. This is what is in the current designations criteria, the fact that they would not be.

In their comments, the Olympia Master Builders strongly insist that hydromorphic soils do not guarantee the potential presence of a wetland. They therefore proposed a series of gradual steps I understand, to a certain extent, that a complete delimitation of wetlands costs about six dollars and requires six weeks of work. If we build a small house, I am curious to know the opinion of the urban planning service on a gradual approach. Let's follow the ecological guidelines on this subject. Or where are we? Let's really demand a complete delimitation for a cartographed hydromorphic soil or

C'est ce qui serait exigé en vertu du code actuel. L'une des pistes que nous avons évoquées en interne avec le personnel lors de la préparation des normes du processus de permis est justement un examen initial gradué comme The first phase would simply consist of determining whether your property has critical potential zone indicators. Then there are intermediate optional phases between a simple filtering and a complete study that would remain optional. This could be useful for these stages as we move forward in the permit process phase.

So there is at least the objective of developing gradual steps to partially respond to their concerns. I partially agree. If you make a house extension of about 10 square meters and you have to... There is a map dating from 10 years ago indicating hydromorphic soils less than 100 meters. You have to pay 6,000 dollars. There should be... I was looking at the estimates and it was the average price... I am sure that this integrates the lower levels. I simply think that there could be a balance to be found for equity in housing. I do not suggest offering gradual approaches to large commercial projects, but they focus mainly on individual houses and residential density, so it seemed useful to me.

The advantage of the concept of gradual filtering is that everyone could use it to be better prepared for its permit process. So even for a larger project, if they want to do it, imagine it almost as different levels of pre-order meetings concerning critical areas or something similar. So anyone could use it as a faculty step if they were concerned about a stage in the process of critical areas and the way it applies to their project. Another thing concerning hydromorphic soils, I can also go and check which specific ones we would currently take into consideration, because there is basically a gradient of soil saturation. So for this, as it is something that could, according to the current edition of the Code, trigger a permit, we would like to use the most strict hydromorphic soil classes, that is to say those that are very mostly hydromorphic, in opposition to certain soils, which are 25% instead of 80%. So we could also clarify that.

Maybe adding a table with the different levels or something like that could be useful?

We discussed it during the update of the geodata and I can now get in touch with the team in charge of the geodata to see where we are on this subject.

Thank you.

If someone makes a delimitation, a delimitation on their property, how long is this delimitation valid? Just for the duration of the request they submit?

It is quite common for these documents to be valid for five years. We expect that at this stage, the landscape, or especially in our current situation, the climate can have changed enough for you to at least update the report, or even get a new one.

Okay, because you know, we see certain areas in the county where there is often a cedar pole closure that has been aligned with a panel of delimitation of wet areas on it. Même avec cette clôture, si quelqu'un arrivait la sixième année, devrait-il faire un nouveau rapport de délimitation de zones humides?

C'est comme ça que ça se passerait. Ils pourraient faire mettre à jour le rapport original, ce qui serait probablement moins coûteux et moins long. Mais s'ils n'ont pas accès à ce rapport original, ils devront en obtenir un nouveau pour vérifier que cette limite est toujours précise. Nous pouvons examiner davantage ce que font les autres comtés à ce sujet. D'après ce que je comprends actuellement, 5 ans est une norme assez courante.

Je sais que c'est anecdotique, mais je possède une propriété dans le comté de Piers qui a cette clôture en cèdre avec la délimitation de zones humides et leurs services d'urbanisme considèrent cela comme une limite fixe et définitive. And the topography of the terrain suggests that a catastrophic event would be needed to modify it. So it is logical that it will always remain a wet zone, but...

Yes, it seems logical.

To need to update this delimitation of wet zones.

Yes, we can examine the code of the Piers County. I would be delighted to do more research on this subject.

Just think how much it would depend on the context. There are certain types of wet zones that, in a realistic way, would not change over time. And there are many, especially if we consider the ephemeral and dependent habitats of the climate, which would really change. We could then establish levels of revision for these areas, but I think we should take them into account, whether they are levels or a global revision. We should take into account some of these more fragile areas. If this is just a overview, indicating that there is no reason to re-examine this one at the same time as the others, you know, by classifying them as being unpriority.

I don't know when the decision was made to build a closure and to put an official sign indicating that this is a humid area, but I think that if you build a closure with such a sign, it should count for more than five years. I agree with that.

Yes, that seems logical to me too. So I can do some research on how the Piers County does that.

Does anyone have... Oh sorry, Commissioner Pestanieri, I didn't see your hand.

Thank you, Mr. Le Pen. A question for the staff concerning climate change. Are there any provisions on the absence of net loss of the function of wetlands or others? What happens if wetlands disappear? Does climate change foresee a reduction in wetlands in the Thurston County?

It is absolutely a threat and a possibility linked to climate change that wetlands will be impacted. Le défi avec l'ordonnance sur les zones critiques est qu'elle doit être à la fois spécifique au site et liée aux impacts d'un développement. Elle doit être proportionnelle à ces impacts. Ce sont des questions au niveau de l'État et au niveau fédéral auxquelles nous sommes soumis. And so, even if we can be turned towards the future by being progressive and protective in the way we treat critical zones, I think we must always take into consideration the proportional and specific nature of the ordinance on critical zones.

Is there an element that, if we lose the function of the wetlands due to climate change, would require their restoration or reconstruction?

It would have to be a programmatic question, essentially. So something that is not regulatory, not something, you know, that is done by non-profit groups or by a program taken care of by the county. Ah yes.

Okay, but it seems that if we say we want no net loss, but that we think that climate change can have an impact and that when it happens, we have nothing to do, it does not seem to be a very good recipe.

This is certainly a challenge and these big crazy engines are not things on which we can really act significantly. We could calculate an infinitesimal impact on greenhouse gas emissions from a specific development and bill them a few dollars or ask them to reduce it. This is why we already have legal provisions to reduce the impacts. I feel like... Sorry, go ahead. Please, no.

I just wanted to say that with the CAO, it's a bit like a death among the cuts and we have to treat each cut... Individually. It's kind of the way it works. Not that we can't do anything outside the ordinance on critical areas, but in this ordinance, it must be very specific to a proposed arrangement.

And in terms of losing wet areas, I'm not a doctor.

But if I had thousands of cuts, I wouldn't put thousands of bandages. I would do something holistic.

And at this end, I think that if we are talking mostly about the loss of wetlands, a large part of it has to do with the re-active NAP, it has to do with the aquifer and its capacity to recharge. And this affects a different domain of regulation than what we are currently examining. In terms, as we discussed before, the lever for this would not necessarily be here. It would be in the aquifer recharge process itself. Yes, I think it's absolutely correct. So if you look at the karst as a critical zone, make sure that the surfaces are waterproof. I think that at the county level, it would be difficult for a lot of waterproof surfaces, unless basically digging ditches and going directly to surface rusting. A large part of the county is really well adapted to infiltration. So it's a main MGP that people use. But again, the way to access the wet zone probably goes through some of these other considerations. It's just that you have to do it once you have this wet zone. And I would say, you know, I think that as a team of the county, we recognize the fact that it is very difficult to manage a thousand small cuts. And that's why we do things that can examine the patient as a whole, if you will. We are working on a framework to understand The net ecological gain is something that I think I have already talked about and that the state has tried several times. We are working with the conservation district to develop a system that allows us to measure the overall health of the basin, if you will, and understand how this applies at the site scale and at the basin-versant scale. And we are also doing a lot of work to plan at the basin-versant scale So, given what we know about development and development, and what happens when we do it, and our ability to really detect all these cuts or not, we can examine and use this framework to understand the type of gain and loss, then use planning processes at the level of the basin to make other specialists and doctors intervene, if you want, who can do anything other than hunt the cuts.

So, do you have access to display the table of authorized users?

Leave me alone, I have to stop sharing here.

And I can't imagine that we would authorize asphalt plants, the depot of asphalt on the land, bio-solids or other dangerous uses.

There are certain things that... On or near you.

On or near a wetland.

This is what is currently in the table of uses. This remains entirely open to change and discussion. So if the asphalt concerns us, we can simply remove it.

I don't think anyone is asking for asphalt plants.

Well, I had a problem with this asphalt. It was recycling. It was recycled asphalt about a year and a half or two years ago now. I think it was older than that. Was it important? Was it close to the critical areas?

Yes.

Well, it was. It's close to a lake.

It's close to the river. The Nisqually River. It was over there in the valley, they already had an asphalt factory and wanted to update their permit to recycle the asphalt as well.

Because there are two things. I was thinking of the county he was installing in the fairgrounds.

Oh, that one.

Yeah, it was before Covid. It was terrible. Terrible. So there have been a few asphalt cases recently, in recent years.

On veut faire un vote à main levée.

Un vote sur quoi ? Quelle est la réglementation actuelle ? Pouvez-vous expliquer la réglementation actuelle sur les usines d'asphalte ?

Le code actuel offrait la possibilité de les autoriser via un permis d'examen des zones critiques dans les deux catégories inférieures de zones humides. Je viens d'y aller pour m'en souvenir et j'ai retiré cela pour le remplacer par un X suite à cette conversation. On peut le vérifier avec un vote à main levée maintenant.

Not, not, not allowed in any level of wet zone. That's what we're getting at. Well, not only the wet zone, it's the tampon zone too. Well, it's about 315 feet of the...

This also applies to the tampon zone.

Yes, so you would have to go, if you want to install it near KM, follow the procedure.

And then you would also be exempted.

It is not always possible to say, here is a wet zone and to go and plant it. Asphalt factory on it. So I always feel like it's...

But do the regulations take into account the physical barriers, like roads, railways and rivers?

We take roads into account as something that essentially interrupts a buffer zone in a buffer zone. So if you are on the other side of a road, it would not actually apply to the property, depending on the date on which the road was established and whether it was legal.

So my question would be, I think that if you are, I don't think, I mean, my idea is that if you install a asphalt plant and there is a wet area nearby, you have to do a study and you have to stay outside of this buffer zone. So if we forbid it, then what does that mean?

It means what you just said. So having an X on the table means that it is not allowed inside this wet area or its tampon area. If you had to build a asphalt plant with my current configuration where there are X's everywhere, you would come to do the test to establish where this tampon area is located in order to be able to stay outside. Let's say you want to establish an agricultural activity according to this table. The letter P for permit means that if you start this procedure, obtain your delimitation of wet zone and your report and that you wish to carry out an agricultural activity in the buffer zone of a category 3 wet zone, you can do so according to the conditions of your permit relating to the critical zone. And the details on how to proceed will be submitted to the standards of this chapter as well as the requirements of the authorization process itself to ensure that you do not damage the wet zone.

That was... Where are the biosolids in this document? It's... Intensive use, involving the use or storage of dangerous materials, or susceptible to generate an excess of nutrients, sediments or pollutants on a property containing wet, dirty or tampon zones.

Okay, so... I mean, I read that... It's as if they were pouring dirt. To put it simply, whether it's food residues, restaurants, garbage or, for whatever reason, food for pigs. I mean, I've seen that too. Or probably too.

Yes, I think of the bio-solids as being what comes from the purification stations and which were hung for agricultural purposes. So... I don't know, but the last time I checked, everything was sent to the county of their county of Thurston. It's forbidden. That's why we can reject the water in the Sound budget, but we can't spread it. We can't spread bio-solids in the county of Thurston. Seattle actually transports all its by truck beyond the mountains. It used to go to Ritzville and Waterville before, and I think it's going to Electricity now. So we're talking about waste.

Not only animal waste, but also human waste. That's what bio-solids are. Yes, that's what I'm wondering. Why would we authorize it in a tampon area?

Well, that highlights an important point. There are standards in the section on uses, but there are no dedicated lines in the table of uses. So it's something we can also correct. And if the intention here is to ban it in wet areas, I agree to implement it.

I don't think you will encounter resistance on this.

Personally, this is not something I want in the wetlands.

No, you can go to Tagro and fill your truck over there. I don't even like taking samples from the Lake Lawrence canal to submit them to tests of... It's practically the same thing you will see in your life, just for fun.

I mean, that's exactly what we are confronted with, Taylor Farms. Biosolid spawning. However, I wanted to come back to these intensive uses that I notice, which are allowed in all categories for the moment, and simply allowed in the last two. I want to come back to that. Yes. Especially considering the extent of this definition. Au minimum, exiger un examen du permis, quelle que soit la taille et personnellement, j'aimerais bien, quelques restrictions sur certains points. Sur les cas les plus intensifs, du moins tels qu'ils sont défis. J'aimerais qu'on puisse avoir une exception pour un usage spécifique ou quelque chose comme ça. I was thinking about what you were saying about biosolids, about what a potential definition could be. And I said to myself, oh yes, like composting... If someone wanted to create a neighborhood composting facility, speaking of the most important types of use that are not currently defined, what would it look like in terms of Phenos Week, soil health or wetlands?

One of the other fields that we examined during previous discussions was battery discharge. Or, you know, an installation to disassemble batteries, reuse or recondition cells, that kind of thing. Je ne l'ai pas vu là-dedans. Je ne savais pas si cela entrait dans cette même catégorie de... Oui.

D'usage dangereux. Faire partie de ces usages intensifs. Voici les normes actuelles auxquelles un usage intensif devrait se conformer. Je pense qu'il faudrait aligner certains points sur notre approche actuelle car cela fait référence aux usages intensifs sur des sites contenant des zones humides ou dans les zones humides, enfin non en fait, c'est uniquement sur les sites contenant des zones humides. Et je pense qu'on pourrait clarifier que ces normes devraient peut-être s'appliquer dès qu'il y a une zone humide sur le site. et que l'usage devrait être établi en dehors de la zone humide ou de sa zone tampon, si cela semble être une bonne façon de procéder.

Un site est-il une parcelle ou une emprise de développement ?

Je considérerais cela comme une parcelle et nous pourrions être explicites à ce sujet dans le texte.

Oui, parce que je veux dire, si vous avez une parcelle de 40 hectares et une zone humide dans un coin, vous ne pouvez pas utiliser le terme « site texture » si vous êtes à 400 mètres.

Yes, it is not useful, it does not really correspond to the wider ecological use that we consider for this kind of thing. It does not reflect the idea of a living land, living hectares. To go back a little, there were some questions about what... that we use, you know, like the delimitations of the body of the engineers of the US Army in relation to the Department of Ecology of Washington. And to come back to this idea of wanting something much more, a flexible reference that is a little less obsolete. I wonder if we should not opt for GAR according to the last manual of the wetlands of the Department of Ecology of Washington-Hager, without even writing a date on it. What's up?

Yes, I think the formulation I'm currently trying to use is to put a date, but by adding or any subsequent version, echo. So that if a new version comes out, we don't need to update the code, essentially. Yes.

Yes, and that allows us to show what they had in mind at the time for future generations, while allowing an update. It's like saying, oh yes, look at version 2023, but the code is still applied now that we are in version 2027, Igor.

Is there anything else you'd like to see in the code while I'm looking at it, or any other questions?

I'm looking through Christy White's suggestions, and a large part of it is simply to clarify the language. So I think there are a lot of useful things in there. I just wanted to highlight this work and say how much I appreciate it.

Yes, we have received incredibly useful comments from many different people on this point and I always appreciate the time people take to get involved with us on this subject.

Very well, any other comments for Claire? All right, thank you Claire. We appreciate your work on this file.

Yes, thank you all for your time.

Very well, we will move on to the rest of our day with the points of the staff.

I will let Anna make a point. We will talk a little about the procedure and the sequence in the way we carry out a part of our work. Je vais également informer tout le monde que nous travaillons sur quelques changements administratifs concernant la manière dont nous transmettons les informations à la commission d'urbanisme et sur certaines de nos opérations internes. L'une de nos propositions est d'utiliser des invitations calendrier pour les réunions de la commission où nous inclurons des liens vers tous les documents nécessaires à la réunion. Est-ce que cela poserait problème à quelqu'un ? Pardon ?

Vous parlez simplement de liens temporaires pour le contenu des réunions ?

Des liens vers l'endroit où seront stockées les informations, et si elles ne sont pas encore en ligne, nous les enverrons. Je pense que nos retours sur les pièces jointes étaient qu'elles arrivèrent tardivement. Et si vous nous donnez juste un lien vers un dossier où vous ajoutez des fichiers à tout moment, cela ne nous signale pas que de nouveaux documents ont été ajoutés.

C'est un problème pour moi, car j'ai besoin de savoir quand de nouveaux éléments sont ajoutés, puisqu'ils n'arrivent pas tous en même temps. Ils arrivent au compte-gouttes durant les deux semaines séparant les réunions.

Oui, je pense que nous allons établir des normes pour la diffusion des documents. Et si nous ne les avons pas, nous vous préviendrons. Donc si c'était en retard.

Cela dépendrait fortement de ces normes.

What I understand is that the answer would be positive, that we would always receive useful notifications in time for the new elements, and that there would be a unique place in our calendar to find them instead of having to search in our emails. Yes, if we have not published anything, we will inform you that this is happening, and if it suits you, we will warn you as soon as the document is available.

Because I think the idea is that this does not become the norm.

But I also want to point out that the treatment deadlines for the Urbanism Commission between the first and the third Wednesday of the month are very short if we try to publish the documents a week before the meeting. The staff only has two days to work on it. It's an extremely fast deadline. It takes two days to write a document, plan an internal examination, then publish it. So we want something flexible but that doesn't take people by surprise. But from this perspective, I would like the staff to be able to normalize the moment we receive the information. Because very often when we arrive here, I can almost guarantee you that 9 months out of 12, if you send us something on Wednesday afternoon, I won't see it before we get here. And often I come here, people talk about topics and I tell myself that I have no idea what we're talking about. Because we received an email at 3 p.m. on Wednesday afternoon. 3 p.m., that's when we received our file. But look at that, it was pretty close. I, I didn't even see it. Yes, I think that one of the most difficult points will be the comments. Yes, it's a little more difficult, but you know, we can always, if we receive... Par exemple, si quelqu'un avait dit, oh, voici toutes ces informations venant de l'email de Christy. Je la prends comme exemple car elle nous a spécifiquement dit qu'elle en avait envoyé un gros. Vous savez, je pense pouvoir dire que je ne suis pas encore rentré chez moi. Je n'ai pas eu le temps de regarder ça. Vous savez, oh, voyons cela lors de notre prochaine réunion. Mais quand nous recevons des informations du personnel sur ce dont nous parlons ce soir, c'est cela qui m'inquiète. Yes, and it's difficult. To be honest, the deadline is very short for us.

At the time, we received a meeting file the week before. We received it a whole week before, sent by mail, yes. A sheet of paper. And we all knew.

I don't miss that. Yes, we also had paper copies here. So for those of us who arrive in advance, we could take. Because I have a lot of roads. I usually leave early and I am often there 30 minutes in advance because we never know what to expect with the traffic.

I don't want to waste your time on a pile of paper for copies or something else, but I know that managing time is difficult. But rather, it's always better. It's always better.

Yes, but we're trying, we're going to. Try to normalize the distribution of documents. If they are not ready in these deadlines, we will warn you and we will indicate when they will be available. The comments from the public will always be difficult to obtain, so I don't think we can promise to have them early, because they sometimes happen on the very day. And I think that part of the objective of some public stakeholders is simply to ensure that it is subject to the verbal trial.

Well, public stakeholders do not have a larger calendar than ours. They are subject to the same time constraints as everyone else. And they don't see the documents in advance either.

So this could be a useful wait if you only want your comments, because there are two types of comments, as you said. Is there something that just needs to be signed? And is there something you really want us to read and integrate into our discussion? And to have a firm date, as you should have sent this before, because it is at this moment that we will send the summary to the planning commission. I think it would be useful, it's just a line of text that you can add.

Yes, you could let us know what deadline you would like us to communicate to the public.

In the comments. I suppose it depends on your time of treatment.

Uh, it's simpler, it's a direct flow, so... Yes, so it's... I mean...

The almost totality of the comments from the audience we received yesterday... Or before yesterday...

I mean, if I had had the night to examine all this, it's generally... Yes, I mean, and of course, it depends, doesn't it? I mean, 47 pages, I probably wouldn't have finished that this morning... If three or four people send a letter from one page...

It's only 38 pages.

Yes, our own letter B.

She said 47.

No, no, I was just, uh, referring to a different chapter. Listen, Commissioner Kaiser.

Thank you. I was curious about the rules regarding the calendar format and... What are you going to use? Outlook, Apple, what are you going to use?

Google. I think we should use Outlook. We will send an Outlook calendar invitation. If that doesn't suit some, we could find something else. A Microsoft product. Yes, it's a Microsoft product. Do you know what it is? We are trapped in the Microsoft universe. I guess the file destination will also be a SharePoint file. And I hate SharePoint, but... Will it be put online on our public SharePoint, then?

They are on the website, but I don't know if it's hosted by SharePoint.

It's on AWS.

The elements are just linked to the Drupal platform, remember. Okay.

On this, I think I can pass the word to Anna, who will give us a brief overview of the file.

Excellent transition. One concerning all your points and those of Derek on the deadlines and expectations. Envers le personnel, je pense qu'une partie de ces inquiétudes sera résolue par le fait que nous terminons de grandes mises à jour, obligatoires, pluriennes, t'ras-mi, ça fait turquie d'annuel. Le plan global, très visible avec un fort engagement communautaire. Le CAO, très visible avec un fort engagement communautaire. several consecutive months of deliberation by the Urbanism Commission. Therefore, NSMP, but we do not pronounce these letters here.

I have not yet suffered this trauma. I have a trauma by procuration coming from everyone else here.

Exactly. And so, as a result, these much larger and more complex cases last longer, which means that we receive elements the day before that are relevant for the discussion, because everything that takes place in sequence is relevant. For the new uses or other points of the file that my team will present, they are not as important. We could say that a large part of what you will see after the CAO could even be considered a bit boring in comparison, because it is not huge, it is not complex, and it will not require more than 80 work sessions. And so, as it is the first time in several months that my team presents something, we have been on the CAO all day, every day, for months with you. We thought it would be useful to take a step back and, as simply as possible, to identify the course of all the projects, especially so that, while more things come from a different division within the CPED, there is no brutal transition between the CAO and the long discussions, while there may not be much to debate. Maybe the new uses are a bit slow and that we will be content to address detention centers, because there is a moratorium adopted by the Council So, as you may have noticed, the staff does a lot of work beforehand, even before the files arrive at the Urbanism Commission. And for these longer and more complex subjects, it's just a big cycle of analysis followed by work sessions of the Commission, again and again. However, for some other points of the file, we will not devote as much time to research, analysis and work sessions, simply because the nature of the element is less complex. So, as a reminder, it is simply a sequence of various things. For the file projects requiring this process, as well as the new uses, we will present an ordinance or a similar code language to what I did with the permanent retirement last year, just like Clara, with the CAO. We will present it for discussion, comments from the public, we will request a public hearing, we will carry out all the formal steps from the recommendation by the Council to the approval of adoption. These are the steps.

Restez-vous sur un calendrier de dossier de deux ans.

Ce serait notre recommandation. Je pense que le dernier cycle de dossier s'est bien déroulé sur deux ans. Je n'ai entendu aucune rumeur indiquant que le Conseil souhaitait rouvrir le dossier. Donc je ne m'attends pas à ce que nous le fassions. Surtout si l'on considère que si nous devions ouvrir le dossier en milieu de cycle, nous devrions solliciter des candidatures auprès du public, ce que nous faisons généralement à partir de juillet, en annonçant l'ouverture du cycle. Devrions donc donner aux gens l'occasion de le faire. Je ne vais pas plaider pour cela, connaissant les projets qui figurent au dossier du CIPED. Ça, nous avons un projet assez solide.

Quelqu'un demande-t-il une mise à jour annuelle du dossier ?

Il n'y a pas eu heureusement de rumeurs à ce sujet. Donc je peux au moins l'affirmer avec confiance. Comme je l'ai dit, il y a eu beaucoup de choses importantes. Et pas mal de temps s'est écoulé depuis que je vous ai présenté les propositions de dossier. This is something that I am committed to continuing to do throughout these cycles as long as I work for the County of Thurston. Presenting the projects in advance has been very beneficial for the Council to hear the recommendations of the Commission on Urbanism and the considerations you had in terms of priorities.

There was the CAO.

There are several other projects on the amendment file of the global plan that you will see during the next work session. I will present the zoning. The CIP, we decided to do it every two years, so it will start next year. and Derek and his team work on the basin plan towards the Nisqually and on the climate. There is a lot of programmatic work in progress. Some things may come to fruition, others not, but a lot of work is being done in the background, even if it is not presented in this space of the Urbanism Commission. And joint plans too, these are in progress according to the constraints of staff. And as for the development code, yes.

Question the CIP, my favorite subject. I am happy that it is on a two-year cycle now, but will they implement the process that we examined last year with public works?

Yes, Rick Thomas from the central services took his retirement. Congratulations to Rick. I no longer remember the name of the person who took his role. However, we met him and we expressed that it is the aunt and that their staff are working there. Now, other discussions are taking place in the Council room and with other departments of the county, so I can't speak on behalf of the central services and say that it is a guarantee. However, we have transmitted to them that this was the process, that this is how it works, that public works have this platform, and the expectation and demand are that you all do the same. If they do it, it goes beyond my domain, but it was transmitted to the managers of investment projects. And for the amendment of the development code? I think Derek mentioned it several times, once the global plan is finished, we do this big pluriannual work and then we have to implement it by code. This is why our development code record is much longer. At CAO, we are working on it while preparing for a public audience. New huge uses, we have already had a work session, we will have another one. It is constrained by the deadline of the moratorium, but we have until June to adopt it. We are preparing to present the joint code again, as mentioned earlier, following the recommendation of the Urbanism Commission, only looking at the residential components. Some elements of urban forestry have been integrated and we are discussing internally on the best approach. Then we will present it during the implementation of the joint codes. Clarification and correction of the code, we are also preparing for it. To resume Andrew's idea of combining things to the best, many of our clarification points are in the joint codes. So these elements will be integrated into the residential updates. But I will present a matrix highlighting each update and clarifying whether it is clarifying or required by the law of the state regarding housing. At 18 years old, Nîmes has dug deep into research and analysis, but once again, she is also a hybrid urban planner with a workload related to permits, so balancing these things is a challenge that we face together. It's us working on it. Ideally, this can be presented at the end of this year or at the beginning of next year so that we can move forward in the summer. The TDR, PDR and Title 20 are in progress as far as possible, while also waiting for the availability of staff. For the SNP with the State, you may not have been able to see them, right? The permit examination process is another of these areas where, if we identify the necessary amendments, we will bring them. So it's in progress. For the moment, there is no element in this file.

And that's all I have. I heard that you were going to lose some compliance agents because of budgetary problems.

Only if the council makes this decision.

So I don't know if people followed the council briefing today.

But how do you say that? Il y a quelques scénarios de réduction que le Conseil a demandé à chaque département et aux bureaux élus d'examiner le scénario de réduction. Pour le CEPUD, si nous devions mettre en œuvre ces coupes, reviendrait probablement à réduire la foire, l'extension WSU ou la conformité à ce stade. These are the elements of our budget that, technically, are not required by the law of the state. And continuing to reduce the ration of everyone would end up paralyzing the whole service.

That's good. So I imagine that our demand to put more effort into compliance is probably...

The council had a discussion where it seemed that extending compliance is what it would prefer rather than cutting it.

There was a lot of pressure from the Council to advance compliance.

Everything is available online.

Other updates from the staff?

Not for the moment. Very well.

Well, in our order. From now on, I think, when is our next meeting? The 16th. Le 16. Est-ce que quelqu'un sait s'il ne pourra pas assister à la réunion du 16 septembre ?

Je ne serai pas là. Le commissaire Fishburne sera probablement absent.

Et après cela, la réunion suivante serait le 7 octobre. Quelqu'un prévoit-il de ne pas pouvoir assister au 7 octobre ?

Je ne pourrai probablement pas y aller. En ce moment, j'ai un autre engagement pour toute cette semaine-là.

J'espère que nous n'aurons pas de problème de quorum, mais nous n'avons pas d'audience publique prévue pour le reste de l'année, n'est-ce pas ?

Nous demanderons une audience publique sur le changement de zonage lors de la prochaine réunion, soit celle de fin octobre.

Il y a de fortes chances que ce soit la deuxième réunion d'octobre. Avec elle, nous devons simplement assister. Je serai dans le Nebraska, donc je ne pourrai peut-être pas être à cette réunion. Ah, pour le bien de l'ordre, nous avions quelque chose à discuter pour le bien de l'ordre, non ? Does anyone have something for the good of the Order? I thought that someone had mentioned something at the beginning of the meeting that we had to address. Andrew said something about addressing a subject during the good of the Order. I think he was just addressing the comments of the public during his presentation.

If I remember correctly, we asked if we could find other authorized uses, how could we present them at a future meeting? He said that we could do it during this part.

Or for the next meeting. Yes, for a future meeting. So, no need to do anything during this meeting. If I remember correctly.

During the work session 2 for the new uses. Like the annex.

Session 2, the good of the order. Does someone else have something for the good of the order? Well, having no other points during the day, this meeting is lifted. Have you obtained a copy of this for... Okay. I just want to make sure you have a copy.

It's so logical. Play with me.

I am myself coordinator of the files for Egress.

Here.

You should have one at the time, I think.