City Council - Regular Meeting

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folks. That's what killed the people of L. But now we got it in the right direction. It's it's better. It's cheaper. And you know, we got to we got to bring the fire tax in. We got to talk with the fire department and county. And just like we lost Dan uh Denny Hamlin's father got, you know, burned up in that fire on Black Snake Road. The county has got to rise to the occasion. You know, there there this we've got a we don't have a countywide sewer system. We don't have a countywide water system. And people paying that kind of money out there on Black Snake Road without no fire protection is horrendous. And it's like we lost we lost someone out here off of Oakland, I think a couple months ago, burned up in a mobile home. None of this stuff needs to happen. But we need to have a better unified fire department deal like they keep talking about rather than paying all these folks $250,000 a year to to get these positions like Wong and all those people. They're the people that benefit, not the people here. But understand one thing, as long as I'm mayor and on this board, we're going to we're going to give you the best service we can for the money. And listen, in no part of government do we ever get what we pay for. If we ever got the government we paid for, we'd have one hell of a government. But we're still working in that direction. Be proud of what you got and thank you. Anyone else have any comments? [clears throat]

So, I wasn't going to say anything. My name is Stephen Ronald at 808 Boulevard and I just want to clear up some stuff that uh I understand. I just want the citizens to also understand. But this made prom thing is not a set rule. This thing is not written in stone. It's not.

It was something that was, I guess, maybe honored in the past, but there are several cities that do not do this anymore. And it's simply because we don't want to put the wrong person in in the wrong positions. And so, uh, it didn't make sense. We had a guy that was mayor pro Tim. He'd been doing it for 2 years. Didn't make sense for it to change. So, I see the council voted and I agree with the council just like everybody has their own opinions. And I agree with that. And I think it's exactly what needed to happen. It was no, I guess, a coup or, you know, anything of the such. It It wasn't political gain or anything. It was just putting the right person in the right position. And so that's that's all I have to say. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Man. Yeah. Go ahead,

Councilman Thomas Gillespie. And I want to uh thank uh Mr. Lyn Brown for saying what you said. And as I said earlier, it is up to the council. But the the bottom line is this. Shane, he's supposed to be mayor prom, but he was kind enough a four years ago to say that he wanted someone to take his place. And so because because he let someone else take his place, bottom line is this. If we're going to do something, let's not orchestrate things and let's just be honest and fair about it. Uh I've been mayor prom twice. This would have been historically third the third year for mayor prom if they went uh in the order of highest vote getter. So the bottom line is this. Shane Robinson actually should have been the mayor prom, but he said I will defer to Councilman Bates. Uh, I got a lot of calls, a lot of uh, emails saying they won't vote for some of these people because they did that. And I'm not going to call name, but it's I can document it. I've shown it to Travis and they just don't like that kind of stuff. But again, like uh, the mayor, he ran and they didn't put him in. He was the sixth highest vote getter. So, it's okay. Let's just put this thing to bed. But the whole world is watching and we've got to be ethically and morally right in what we do. Thank you.

Bringing it up. Huh? Think we're bringing it up. No, no, you bring it up. And not only that, since you're here, let let me finish. You people are really sick of your toxic. You Let me finish. Six of your toxic. Let's have You lost. You lost. I'm done. Let's have you lost.

But here's here's the whole thing. You know, it's not a coup. There's never been a coup as far as I know of in government and low as I know of. But here's the thing about it. When the council votes just like in Meckberg and city of Charlotte in city of Gaston where whatever they want to do if they make the mayor the high vote get or whatever that's fine. You don't see no uprising no one upset about things like that because it's up to the council as to who they elect mayor proim or whatever. Just like the committees we have. There's nothing you know wrong about that. And when people come in here with up upset about their water bills and things like that, we have to hit it head on. This is not an issue in law. Never has been, never will be. Whenever I, you know, if I was the next highest vote get or whatever, they put someone else on, I never complained about it. It's up to the board. And then and when I win the mayor's race or whatever, lose the mayor's race, I'm still Larry. They have to say that's old Larry going this way and going that way. Still working. And the same way here. We need to work together. Let this little town come together and understand one thing. We're not going to waste your money and that's all I have to say about it and I think this needs to end and let's get on with the meeting.

Mayor, let me say this too. You did say that you you said Gillespie, you didn't make me mayor nominate for that city council seat. So I just want to be honest with you cuz we're putting this debate, but you did say you're on the board. Be thankful. All right, let's go on to the next thing on on the agenda. All right, the adoption of the agenda for this meeting. Have have a motion to adopt the agenda. Make a motion we adopt the agenda. Second. Have any discussion? All in favor? Unanimous. Thank you. All right. So, the next thing will be the approval of the special meeting minutes on February the 27th, 2025. Make a motion to approve the special meeting February 27th, 2025.

Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Thank you. Okay. I approve the special minute uh meeting minutes on May the 2nd, 2025. What the heck is this? May the second discuss one day. We just now approving those. Yeah, this special meeting. Okay, go ahead. I approve those minutes as well. May second, 2025. Have a second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Thank you. approve of the minutes of December the 9th, 2025.

Before we even make a motion to approve that, I'd like to hold off until a lot of corrections is corrected on approval of minutes. U there's some there's [snorts] some statements that were made that Mr. Bates had pointed out to me that I pointed out to him uh when I talked to Mr. Robinson today. He he pointed out something else to me that was missing out of the minutes. If we're going to take these minutes, we need to have everything said, not just what was what was they want to be put in there. Um, and I can let's let's table with this until next month and I'll get up with you Tyler and if you would get in contact with Mr. Robinson and Mr. dates by Friday and let them tell you the minutes or the mistakes that they seen and I'll try to get up with you tomorrow about the mistakes I seen.

So, we'll just table that then to the next meeting. Okay. Then the uh there's a special presentation. What is that? Oh, we just had it on there in case we had one. All right. Now, the consent agenda. Public works report, finance report, planning report, parks and recreation report, city clerk, HR report, police report, storm water report. Need a motion to approve the consent agenda. Make a motion we approve the consent agenda. Have a second. Second. All in favor. Thank you. Then Tyler, I guess this is your North Carolina safety grant.

Yes. So last month we uh tabled this um for this meeting tonight. Uh we did obtain three quotes in there. Um the first quote that we did receive from Ferguson with this safety grant and again this is for the public works department um so they can lower uh the employees into the manhole safely. We will um if approved uh we could receive up to half of the grant which would be $4,500 and not $45.96 um with the total cost of the equipment being $9,192 and the additional quotes are in your packet for review.

So we didn't you didn't go through the proper protocol as far as getting the grant everything initiated with the public works director and everything was pro proper protocol. Yes, that's what I was going to ask. So, do we have the grant? No. Do we have the grant if we purchase this or is it something that has to be purchased and then we apply for the grant? So, they're going to um we'll submit all the information. It could take up to six months for them to send the grant funds in, but yes, we have um we don't have the money in hand right now. We're getting all the information, but it's um if approved, we can submit all that's when you're going to go buy it. That's right. You're not going to buy it first and then submit. That's correct. Okay.

So, this this will just be table. I guess take it right. I guess you need a motion to for us to move forward to apply for ahead. I'll make a motion that we um approve the safety grant. Upon approval of it, purchase the product. Second that, Mr. Motion. Second. Any discussion? That would be for the Ferguson Ferguson waterworks safety stuff. Motion second. Uh any discussion? All in favor? Unanimous. Thank you. Consideration of surplus police vehicle sale to the lower fire department.

Yeah. So again, this was this was another thing that was tabled at the last meeting. So, it was asked of us to go back and do some research on um some vehicles from the govde deals.com. The um police staff went out and they found 16 of 2017 Dodge Charger vehicles that match similarities with the vehicles that we have um for sale. They did this within a 250 mi radius of LOL. the the lowest auction closed at 3,800 with the and the highest being 6,900 and the average that they found um for all 16 vehicles was $5,138.12. Um

that's for all five vehicles. No, no, no. That that was an average of the 16 vehicles that they found within 250 miles. We only had we're only talking about one, right? We're only talking about one vehicle. Um, so we are asking the council um their recommendations with for what they believe the vehicle is worth in order to So my question is are they going to purchase it? I mean if they're not going to purchase it

there was no reason to go through all this to go look for it if they weren't going to purchase it. They won't donate it but they never we never did get an answer saying they they'll purchase. I think once we come up with the number that we want to sell the vehicle for, we take that back to them and say, "Hey, we're going to sell this vehicle to you for X." And if they are okay with that price, they'll move forward with it. If they don't think that that's a fair price, then they won't move forward, I'm assuming. And I notice [snorts] all those vehicles sitting out there, they're they're police department's taking off the stripes or they're going to send them to get them taken or on that vehicle. Let me go back up. on that vehicle. They're going to require the fire department take it off.

The fire the fire department from my understanding that we were going to sell them the vehicle and they would be responsible for debagging it and and everything. I don't have a problem selling it to them at 3,800. Okay. I don't have a problem really donating. That's just me. Well, I wouldn't have a problem if they were still in the city of law and they we were not paying 11 11 and a half cent taxes. You can ask the county. I understand that. Now, that's that's where I stand on that. The only thing is, you know, I don't know that we typically put a reserve on these. We could put it online. Do we typically list these for a reserve or do you know, Carl,

Jeff, I mean, could could we My only question to that would be is you we may put it on there and we may it may only bring 500. We don't know. Well, can we not just sell that to them or is that one of those things that has to be auctioned? Oh, no. I mean, I guess if they were willing to purchase it, we could just say, "Hey, come buy it or whatever." I guess that would be more of a question for either the city manager or the attorney. And if you wanted to sell it to the fire department and uh I'm assuming you can do that with a whatever set price you Yeah. I mean, because I guess it's not like real property. when I was asking

sell it has that has to be auctioned but does the car have to be auctioned just sell it out has it been declared a surplus is this has been declared surplus of surplus it really hasn't and we yeah all we're asking for is a price well a price that y'all think is fair to sell it to them that way we can go with I mean you got the lowest and you got the highest I don't have a problem selling at 3800 okay

um I'd like to add to the discussion we got the mule and the trailer for 11,000 from the fire department, which was more like a 15-$16,000 deal. They gave it to us for 11. And Tyler had an AED donated from the county recently, but the fire department also donated an AED a couple years ago to the city for an AED out of their fire department to the city at no charge. So, um, and in the past, we've always donated or sold the surplus vehicle for $1 to the fire department. Understand your point. They're not funded by the city of L, but they still are branded with the city of Ly. They they represent the city of Ly. And to me, I just assume sell for a dollar like we always have. And also we are we are committed to the fire department. Every citizen in law pays 11 and a half cent fire tax. So we paying money and they're committed to us by burning fire service. If we didn't have a fire department, our fire our fire insurance and we wouldn't have no fire insurance. But I understand what you're saying too, Dwayne. It's a you know for a dollar.

If they wanted they could ask the county or Wong or whatever his name is. as hey give me can I get $3,800 out of my budget for or reallocate it out of my budget to that but it's still going to be service to the law it's still going to be service to our citizens no matter if we sell it to them or give it to them charge [snorts] them a dollar or whatever it's still a service to us and I think Shane's right I mean we've I think we've always just given it before haven't if it had a surplus vehicle we we just gave it to them we have yeah

that's that's always been the history as I know of I mean I don't know and it's you know 3800 $100 you you know it's very minute as far as what the money is and and if it wasn't going to be serviced it wasn't going to be serviced to us in law I can you know say it's outside identity but it is our fire department no matter how we pay it we pay it with our county with our tax money to the county and and I think what kind of what the Wayne saying is just like the sidebyside we had to buy it from them but it was still going to be put to use here in the city we buy from the fire department we bought side by side and and a truck. [clears throat]

That wasn't a old surplus vehicle that needs what the transmissions out on this one. It's in bad shape. It's in really Yeah. I mean, they had sell us a piece of junk. In other words, I mean, they sold. It wasn't piece of junk, but it's nothing new either. It had been in service with the fire department for a while or side by side. I'll make a motion to sell the surplus vehicle to the fire department for $1. I have a second. I'll second that.

Have any discussion? All in favor? All opposed? I think it's 3 to two. It's fine. Thank you. The next thing um let's see or another budget amendment. Go ahead, Lisa.

Thank you, mayor. This was the one that was taken off the agenda last month. Um but this is the budget amendment to receive the funds from the SL2023-134 directed project grant funds. The amount listed on the budget amendment is an estimate of the dollar amount of grant funds that we will receive through the end of the fiscal year. Uh conversations with the city manager brought us to this estimated amount if you want to kind of know where that came from. If you have any questions, I can try to answer them. What's the total amount you're changing? 200,000. Why is the reason for it?

So, yeah. Um this is for the wastewater treatment plant. um grant. So when we so when we so when the engineer does work and he sends us the invoices, we send the invoices to the state and they reimburse us for that. We go ahead. So now so now what we're doing is we're out we're moving. So we don't have to come back every month and do a budget amendment for the money that we receive from the reimbursement. We're going to do one lump sum right now. So we don't have to do a budget amendment every month. You have you have a contract proposal something that adds up to 200,000 that you're going to be paying out or is this just going to be you just putting out a big umbrella to where you can pay whatever comes in the in the meantime and then you get reimbursed by the grant.

That's correct. [snorts] And this is the funds that's coming from which grant the wastewater treatment the 8 million. It's the 8 million. The 8 million. Yeah. So again, instead of doing a budget amendment every month, every time we receive those reimbursements, we're we're doing a blanket what we think will get us through to the ne to the end of the year. Um, and again, we think 200,000 should get us to that point. Well, why wouldn't you be able to submit, you know, an application to them as to how much money you going to need like for like a get the thing up and running, the total amount from them, and then pay you. Why do we have to spend the money first? If it's a grant money, why are we not why don't we have the money?

Because that's the way I'm understanding that's the way that grant was set up. Yeah. Why not ask for a million dollar? Why not go ahead and set it up? You know, we don't have that kind of money to to set aside. If you but if you got reasons to say that this is how much this is going to be and you submit to the state. Well, we don't know exactly what how much the invoices are going to be each month. It really depends on what what job what services he provides us. So, you have to you'll have to get the invoices from them to get the 200,000 back. Go ahead and set aside 200,000 out of our budget out of general fund. And if you don't spend the money to still sit there, of course, we we're not going to need it anyway. Yes. But I understand, you know, how I don't understand how how

so so basically, let's just let's just say he does he does $10,000 worth of work this month for us, right? He invoices the city of LOL. We send that to the state and they reimburse us back the money. You keep saying, who is he? Joe Woods. Joe Woods, the engineer. He's the engineer that's looking after the plan operation the whole operation. Yeah. So they invoice us, then we turn around and send that invoice to the state and they reimburse us. I don't know how you I make a motion to approve budget amendment number nine. Second

under discussion. I just I mean so did we put this in the budget that we were anticipating this 200. The only reason I ask is if you look at the uh revenue dashboard uh which we are uh almost in the middle of this goes through the end of November but if you look at our revenues we're about 179,000 roughly just under 200,000 short revenue but if you look down wastewater treatment we're about 106,000 less in expenditures for wastewater treatment plants which somewhat ties that together. I'm just curious to see.

So, yeah. So, when when we when we did the budget initially, um all of this kind of wasn't we weren't really on we weren't really we didn't know that we were going to get this. Um this was kind of brought a this was kind of brought after. So now moving forward with this upcoming budget, we can plan better um for that. Yeah, I understand that. If I could clarify, this is not going to be revenue for water and sewer. This is grant revenue. It's totally separate and that's not within the budget that was submitted for last year. So that's why we're having to do the budget amendment. Yeah.

Got a motion. What was your motion? Motion and a second to approve amendment. A motion and a second. Any more discussion? All in favor? All right. The next thing is going to be the city manager report.

Yeah. So, uh, just a reminder that Friday about 12 o'clock here, uh, the ver budget retreat meeting starting at 12 here at, uh, city hall. Um, I had put in a, um, a just a slip in on your papers about the, um, utility billing, uh, plan. So, we'll just we'll discuss that um, further at the meeting, but just kind of want to let y'all see that um, ahead of time. And uh yeah, make just like I said, making this some adjustments to the current, you know, to the budget. Um you know, some things that I've seen, just trying to make some adjustments to it so that we'll uh be better prepared uh going into the next one. Try to keep us going in the right direction.

Have anything else? That's it. Okay. City attorney, I don't have anything tonight. Shang. Uh, the only thing is I know uh there was some talk about different liaons between council and different departments.

And I know at one time there was some discussion about uh maybe even the a liaison between the zoning board with some of the zoning things that I think we need to address. I I wouldn't have a problem uh being that liaison between the board and the zoning board if everybody else would That's a good idea. We need we need to stay in touch with them. I think that's a good idea. Do we need a motion for that or just I would say it's up to you. Go ahead and just go ahead and make it go ahead on between the zoning board and board and the council. Second.

All right. Any discussion? All in favor? Thank you. Have anything else, Shane? No, the only other thing is I'd just like to say, you know, I did not uh as far as my vote for Mayor Pro Tim, I did not coup with anybody else. I didn't jump in with anybody else. I stand by the decision I made. It is the decision. A lot of cities are not doing that. You know, myself, I haven't taken it in the past. Not that I say I should have got it in the past. I don't. But, you know, I'm just I stand by the decision I made. All I got to say. Thank [snorts] you, Scott.

I have nothing, Mr. Ch. Um, appreciate the employees what they're doing. Um, and I second what Shane said. I have my reasons. I have my personal reasons. Um, and I can if you want to talk individually, by all means, my phone number's out there. Give me a call. I'll be glad to talk to you and tell you my reasons, you know, but it's not because it was a coup. Other than that, that's all I have. Mr. Smith, do you have anything?

I just thank the citizens for coming out tonight. Um, happy new year everyone. Thank you staff for all y'all do and I believe that's it. Mr. Glasby,

I just want to thank God for all these guys I work with. I've worked with Miss Chitwood, very honorable man and ch and Smith and [snorts] uh uh Robinson and this is my first time with Bates, but I I just thank God that you know we're all going to work together and I think it's going to have a good board. And I want to thank the city manager for being uh on top of this game, his agame. Uh there was a citizen uh by the name of Miss Williamson. She want needed something. Uh the cars were going up and down our street and it was a dead end trying to get to some motorcycle shop and he took care of it and she's very happy. And I just want to thank you for just being on top of your agame. And u again uh back to the mayor pro Tim, it it's not here or there. I' I've been mayor prom as I said twice. This would have been historically three times. So we're going to leave that alone and let's move forward and make l a great place to live. Thank you.

Thank you. The things I have have to bring up now the contract. You know we're our water contracts running pretty close to running out with the city of Gastonia. We always negotiate that contract a number of years ahead of time so we can keep the same rate like the inside water users in Gastonia. I don't know if anyone brought that to your attention or not and but needs to be that needs to come first and pretty quick. And also in July this year, we're going to be celebrating how many years? We not we don't have anything planned for July the 4th this year. We got a lot of lot of things we need to put out there for the people and and and make law their citizens proud of us. We need to be a part of this thing. This is historical. That is historical. We need to all work together and get something planned for that. And also the uh contractors and things like that. I I I that's I can't understand. We got 13 employees outside of public works. Now they talking about having to hire contractors to go out and do work and things like that. We don't even have a tamp to you have se put cement down dirt to pack stuff down. And you got to hire outside people to come in. We And we got all this money and we don't we don't put it to good use. And and people are concerned about the chemical plant over there becoming a a public works building. That's all well and good. There's like 20 some acres over there, but there's got to be some things, you know, some planned out, thought about and not just rush in here and bringing all these like no no forethought about all these houses on Spencer Mountain, all the infrastructure. They just come in and said, "We're going to have we're going to build all these houses. They want to come in lower. They want to do this." Randler rejected them. They had enough sense not to do it. But now we're stuck, you know, we're going to get tax money. Sure. But how many people have to die for you to get tax money? Tax money is not the not the real deal. what what's the real deal is safety and and infrastructure and being able for children to go to school, have safe environment, have enough policemen to

take care of our problems and things like that. We've inherited all this stuff, but we have to be we have to we have to have get out there and take care of it. But just like this preliminary deal about getting putting money up and getting money back and if you if the grant's what it says it is, I mean, I don't know why they wouldn't fund you X amount of dollars for the grant to do your work rather than have to do peacemail where you can get a better price cuz if you go out here and peacemail everything, it's going to cost you a lot more money it would be if you had a contract deal for the whole what you wanted to do. And that's what the the engineers they going just like Withers Avenue How much money we paid them on peacemail? It's like the ballpark. It's like the ballpark of grant we got what 30% of how much of it is already gone for engineers and and not not one brick in the ground. I'm not proud of that. I think we need leadership and guidance. And also whenever we talk about these little projects we have, we got people can surely God can fix a move a ditch or whatever. you got to move water runoff or whatever, we got the people can do that. We got the tools to do it. We got the equipment to do it. And we bring all these people in from these other identities and things like that. And you got to let everyone mesh together. The police department, same way. We got to meet I don't know how many people how many how many officers have you got working now, Carl?

11. What you What's the capacity? What What are we What's the budget for? How much do we budget for? 11 or 13? 11. 11. So, we're capacity, right? So everything's, you know, is standing within what we said we'd do. State mandated. We're supposed to be at 13. If I'm not mistaken, here's the thing about it. Once you get this I've never heard of state mandate before is our cap at 13, Paul or is it a state mandate? State mandate.

That's what I was getting at. I' never heard the state mandate. But common sense, the common sense mandate would be if you got all these people coming in, all these new houses and all these new apartments and all this thing, you got to have people to patrol. I understand that. But what we need is leadership and guidance. [music] And number one, let the let the train go by. [music]

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as far as peace meal work and things like that. I mean, we ought to it should be simple. City manager sat down, public works director, city manager sat down, police chief, whatever, and the finance, people like that, and have a plan that you go by verbatim. It saves you money rather than just say, I'm going to do this this month. I'm going to do this this quarter, whatever. When you set a budget, that's what it's for and that's what you operate within that budget. You don't have a choice as far as you want to move this around, you want to do that or whatever. Once you set the budget, that's what you have. But but for us to have a police department, which we do, we don't have folks in the building, you know, like they should be as far as when people have a problem or whatever to go in there and sit down and talk about a plan or whatever, police reports and wreck reports and all those kind of things. And you can't and we with 11 officers I don't know but it looks like to me you can have them a period of like there's 24 hours in a whole day. You could have like you know 3 hours designated to each one of them someone to be in the police department because we don't have a phone over here like we used to have where you can pick up a phone if you if you're in distress somebody chasing you shooting you or whatever you can pick up a phone at least we dial 911 for you and everybody says well you got a cell phone. Yes you do. you do. But what if your cell phone's dead and the old phone lines still work anytime? You just have to have common sense and run this thing like we like we should run it. Not like you when people they complain to me, I'm sure they complain to you, Carl. When if they can't get a hold of someone, what do they say? They call down and leave a message and they don't get a call return. What do they say? What the heck's going on? That's what, you know, it's embarrassing for people. And I don't like being city man says I get involved. Yeah, you better believe I get involved. But I want things to be appropriate that where somebody has a problem, if someone has a problem out here, we take care of it. We don't send them down the road. Just like when people come in here and they make a request to whether it be the recreation or whatever and they tell them they're

going to return a call, they should return a call no matter what. And follow up and at least let people know just like the recreation. I know Miss McKenna bragging on recreation. That's all well and good, but I don't know what it cost us to operate that Boys and Girls Club out there anymore. how much it cost us for all the stuff that we're spending out there. I don't know. But we need to we need to get all this in our upcoming budget and understand it's like parking in the grass. So, you know, negligent. You got a big field out there to park in. But they let them park over here in the grass and tear up the yard and everything else, the ditches. I mean, it's just, you know, people that live here. We live here. You live here. We want things to be appropriate. And no, listen. Nowhere to park in that little old parking area there for people to get in and out. What's our liability out there, Mr. Attorney, as far as if someone gets hurt, how do they how do we get around this thing? And what is their blanket coverage out there? We have like Sunday night 11 10 11 12:00 at night, you know, different nights late. We don't know. And I don't know what's going on. You don't know what's going on, but someone gets hurt, we're going to know what's going on. Someone's going to be sued. I don't know if we had anyone hurt out there or not, have we? No one's hurt.

Not that I'm aware of. We furnished a tennis ball. What do we furnish? everything a recreation center. It's just free to play. You can come all over the county. You don't have to live in low. Free to play. We need to have some kind of itinerary as to who's operating and who's what's going in and out. You know what I'm saying? Cuz we're not a This is not a big complex. This is a small town. Going in and out.

Is it has their address? [clears throat] Well, it should be something as far as it should be some kind of charge or something. Inside, I could understand it, but outside there should be a fee. We can't You can't go to Charlotte and play pickle ball. They they charge. It's a big business. Over here, it's free. And taking advantage of our parking and that little bit of strip right there in front of the place. I don't know how you get in and out. It's got to be dangerous. But I want I'd like for all these things to be brought from you and to us from the recreation people and let [snorts] us know what what these expenditures are and how much are we you know we only we have a $5 million budget. They send out a monthly calendar of what

I understand what the calendar is, but what are the expenses? That's my question. But anyway, you got time to work on these things. I'm sorry to upset you, but we need help. We need we need leadership. ain't being upset. It's just longwinded. I know, but we got money. We're spending bring that up to u because I believe you call Kyle Kyle. I believe you call Tyler just about every day, don't you? No, not every day. Mr. Tyler being there in weeks. I talked to him two weeks. Sometimes two or three times a day. That's just something that could be brought up and and discussed. Well, I mean, it's just you need to know the citizens need to know what it costs. I know a lot of things.

I don't want to, you know, it costs money. you're going into your budget sessions, you need to know how much stuff [snorts] cost. Then you can set a tax rate. Anyway, that's my opinion. I'm sorry if I upset you, but it's I'll be here tomorrow. Anyway, so I appreciate any anyone that's all I have. I guess y'all want to go We're going to go to executive session. I guess we need a motion to go in executive session.