City Commission - Regular Meeting

I call this meeting to order on uh May 12th, Tuesday uh May 12th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. Will the clerk please call the role? Mayor Sharon McDonald here. Mayor Prom Josh Ruden here. Commissioner Baxter Patillo here. Commissioner Steven Bernett here. Commissioner Warren Robinson here. Commissioner Al Ernnandez here. Commissioner Mark Tapley here. Madame Mayor, we have a quorum.

Okay, we're going to have the invocation by Commissioner Robinson and the pledge of allegiance by Mayor Pro Tim Rearen. Please join me in prayer. Eternal and gracious heavenly father, we invite your presence. We invoke your name. Be here with us. Lord, send us an extra measure of your wisdom, of your mercy, and of your grace. Bless all those who work to make this city better. Bless all those who care about the future of this city. And we we thank you, Lord, for the engagement. Keep them uplifted through the changes and the transitions. Bless us to carry your characteristics of mercy and grace and cooperation with all that we do. If you do that, Lord, we'll be prepared and we'll give you the honor, the glory, and the praise in your son's holy name. Amen.

Please follow me in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Can I get a motion for the approval of the agenda? So moved. I'll second. Okay. So, it's uh been moved by Commissioner Tapley and second by uh Commissioner Bernett. And we'll go for the vote.

We have two presentations tonight. Uh the first one will be the presentation for the uh proposal of the You have to call that it was passed and the vote passed 70. Thank you. Um number one on the agenda presentation for the proposal of an urban airtype family and this is from the Chapperel Middle School leadership students leadership um teacher Grant Miser or Meisner Messer

Miser Messer Messer Mesner Messer okay are you here and can Can you state your name, please? My name is Lily Ald. Thank you. You can pull that microphone to you.

Good evening, Mayor Mo, Mayor Promp, and commissioners. I want to thank you for letting us be here tonight and presenting. We are here to present an urban air adventure park for the town of Alamagordo. Our the purpose of our proposal for those who do not know Urban Air is an indoor adventure park that hosts activities such as obstacle courses, zip lines, etc. Why it is needed? Almagora lacks indoor entertainment options for families and the youth. Seasonal weather often limits outdoor recreational activities and local families often travel to Los Cusus or El Paso for the same experiences. Our solution is to launch an urban air adventure park with premium attractions. It hosts year-round indoor fun for the entire population and it's a safe and active environment that promotes health and community connection. This is a market opportunity for 31,000 residents. Our team, I want to say a special thank you to Grant Messer, and the all of the other lovely people that could not be here tonight. I also want to thank our research lead, Alyssa Martinez, our design lead, Kenna Kitchens, our finance lead, Leah Rodriguez, and of course, the entire presentation team. got this.

Good evening. My pro, my name is Pro Abdulai. Um, based off our urban error survey with 241 submissions, the the results are dawning. One of the questions was, "Do you think there are enough places for your children to safely socialize and exercise?" 84.2% of um the 241 submissions said no. One of the other questions was, "Would you like somewhere fun to go with your family?" and 99.2% said yes. Another one of the questions was on average, how much gas do you use driving out of town to go to fun places? And 21.6% said full. No, wait. 25.3% said full. People clearly want somewhere safe and accessible for their kids to socialize and exercise without having to travel outside of Al Maggoro. to uphold that. To fix this problem, urban air comes into play, offering a fun and safe place for everyone. It offers market opportunity and community morale. Almagora has 31,000 people and an estimated of 100,000 people. What this enjoyable recreation center can provide is birthday parties, school events, and group bookings. Who will benefit from this is families with children's from 3 to 17 year olds, schools, youth groups and communities along with businesses as such as hotels, restaurants, transportation services, and rental services.

Good evening. My name is Elena Cisneros. Um for design our facility and building plans, um Urban Air offers two primary franchise models. The 2.0 model, which has a smaller footprint. The core attractions are trampolines, dodgeball, and climbing walls. The typical facility size is 25,000 to 50,000 square feet. The ceiling height requirement is a min minimum of 18 to 24 ft for aerial attractions, the 2.5 model. A larger footprint premium attractions are sky rider, warrior course, and virtual reality. Our building options are lease or purchase commercial property or retrofit existing retail spaces or for more former big box stores. And the new construction would be higher cost or more customization. Attractions and activities. Urban air parks feature a mix of physical, interactive, and immersive attractions. Common offerings include um trampoline zones, dodgeball courts, and slam dunk lanes. climbing and ropes, climbing walls, rope courses, warrior, and a warrior obstacle course. Uh, aerial adventures are sky rider, zip rail, and the tubes playground. Interactive zones are virtual reality, laser tag, and arcade games. The toddler areas has soft play zones, mini trampolines, and ball pits. The facility overview, the size would be 3,000 to 50,000 square ft. The ceiling height would be minimum 24 ft. The location repurposed retail space or um new construction amenities, lobby and check-in, parent lounge, party rooms, snack bar, restrooms, and retail area. Um the lobby and check-in would be digital kiosk. Um the party rooms would be private rooms

for birthdays and events. The parent lounge have comfortable seating, Wi-Fi, and charging stations. Restrooms would be ADA compliant, family-friendly facilities, food, and refreshment zones. Urban air locations typically include a cafe or snack bar with with um pizzas, pretzels, and nachos and drinks. Seating area, table for tables for families and parties, vending machines, quick snacks, and beverages. Optional add-ons, ice cream stations, and smoothie bars. Um our business business objectives launch a fullscale urban era 2.5 model park achieve 3.8 8 million in ann annual revenue within three years. Host 200 plus birthday parties annually. Employ 30 plus staff members locally. Our market analysis. Target audience families with children ages 3 to 17 schools and youth groups. Local demand. Limited indoor entertainment options in Al McGuardo. Competitive advantage. Year-round indoor fun. Premium attractions and party event hosting. Marketing strategy. Grand opening event. School partnership. school media campaigns, birthday party promotions, and loyalty programs. Our business model is revenue streams, daily admissions, birthday parties and events, cafe and concessions, merchandise sales, memberships and loyalty programs. Um, and our profit margin would be 10 to 20%. Operation plans open 7 days a week. Staff, general manager, assistant manager, party host, safety monitors, and cafe staff. Training provided by Urban Air corporate team. Local sponsorship. Business sponsor attractions or rooms. Naming rights for party rooms, cafe or lounge. Cross promotion with local brands. My name is Oshana Wilkerson and for the finance our funding goal is $4.5

million. Use of funds, facility renovation and buildout is $2.2 million. Equipment and attractions are $1.5 million. Franchise fees and legal setup is 100K. Marketing and launch campaign 150K. Working capital for one year is 550K. Return on investment um break even in expected by year three. Ebda is 500K to 800K annually. Revenue growth of 10 to 15% annually post launch. Community impact job creations for 30 plus residents. Safe active re recreations for econic for youth economic growth growth through tourism and local spending. Funding options. One, small business administration loans up to $5 million. Interest 6 to 9% terms 10 to 25 years. Requires strong credit and collateral. New Mexico economic development grants job creation and community focus may cover up to 20% of startup cost apply appliances through New Mexico ed or local chamber hourly rates team members/crew will get 12.33 to $126 and 36 cents an hour depending on the location court monitor gets $9 to $17 per hour Party host is $13 to $19 per hour. Front desk cashier is $13 to $18 per hour. Shift leader or manager is 12.67 to 1358 an hour or higher. Assistant manager is 21.36

an hour or 40 43k to 54k a year. General Manager 34 34 on 34 an hour to 57867 yearly. Insurance and operating cost. General liability insurancees required cost variations by location carrier and coverages finance char. Occupation cost rent, utilities, taxes, common area maintenance, franchise pattern, payroll, staff, wages, management, salaries, benefits, other cost, royalty fees, supplies, advertising and training. Finance summary category initial investment three 3.55 million to 8 to 8.33 million depending on size location and lease versus purchase purchase average annual revenue is 303.8 8 million per sheet per location. Royalty fees 7% of monthly gross sales. Marketing fee up to 5% of monthly gross sales. Network net worth retirement 1.5 minimum. Liquid assist retire requirement 750,000 minimum. EBITDA performance is 44 of reporting parks exceeded averages. E D E B I T D A Finance category total startup cost is 4.5 million franchise fee is 75K equipment/buildout is 3.7 million marketing and launch is 150K working capital is 550K break even is year three EBITDA year three is 500 to 800K investment structure total capital to raised from

community investors target 500,000 approximately 11% of total startup cost. Minimum investment per person is 1,000. Maximum investment per person is 50,000. Share pricing cost per p cost per share is 1,000. Total shares available is 500. Ownership per share to 0.2 equality per 1,000 share based off of 500k equals 10% of quality pool. In conclusion, the addition of an urban air adventure park would benefit the town of Alamagoroto significantly. Our design for this urban air adventure park is very foolproof and can also have an amazing addition to Alamagordo and give great options for youth indoor play. Urban Air benefits Urban Air Adventure Park has lots of benefits for Alamagordo including financial benefits, entertaining youth and family, economic growth, etc. Having an urban air in Alamagorda would bring more money and business to the town as well as job opportunities. This business outlines the strategy to launch a franchise in Alamagordo, New Mexico targeting families, schools, and youth organizations. just in case uh you didn't have a chance to go through the uh summary. I don't know how many pages it was, but it was so much detail and uh the presentation tonight was excellent. So, I want to commend uh you u uh Mr. Messer uh on the uh the work that these u students did and all of the people that uh helped you get the data uh because it was very impressive. So, thank you Well, you did an excellent job and I

don't know how many other people read it, but um it was extremely um detailed and I I think when you're doing a presentation, uh people want to know all of the details as far as financing, where you're going to get the money, uh who's going to invest, and so it was it was excellent. So, thank you again. Uh, next on the agenda, we have the animal control facility presentation and update. It's, uh, Dwayne Martinez, animal control manager, and David McCauley, who is the APD lieutenant. Uh, good evening, madame mayor, mayor pro 10 commissioners. So, what we've done here today is manager Martinez has put together a PowerPoint presentation to highlight some of the hard work that our animal control um, kennel officers and officers are doing. and also we'll outline some of the difficulties that we're facing with an old building and and such. We've put together some good programs to try and help new owners um assimilate and uh train their animals to make it easier to reduce the amount of animal returns and uh well and uh go over some of the conditions of the building that some repairs that we're going to be expecting in the future. So, I'll turn it over to Manager Martinez.

Good evening, Mayor. Uh McDonald, Mayor Pro, Tim Ruden, commissioners. So, we've worked on a little bit of a presentation here because I know one of the goals that we've talked about over the last few years is to try to go uh to a no-kill status. Um we were we reached a no-kill status in 2021 and 2022. we were running about 93% out the door which is um that's adopted return to owners or uh um sent to rescues. So we ran 93% one year and about 94% uh another year. We were recognized by Best Friends of America and uh received a two beautiful plaques on that. Well, after that things kind of fell apart with the amount of animals that were wanting to be turned in. So, our numbers fell into the low 80s, high7s. So, what we've talked about, which was it? So, for us trying to go to a no kill status, um the understanding of a no kill status, okay, the goals is keep animals alive. um they uh can be rehomed, rehabilitated, uh rescued or returned to their owners. Okay, that's that's probably that's the main thing. Um so the adoption the the no kill model adoption programs to increase the number of animals uh leaving alive uh spayneuter trap release programs which reduce population over time. um uh the the return to owner uh that we have also going. Um so our trap and release mainly is through our CAP program. We've been able to reduce numbers uh pretty much throughout the city. Um I know a lot of

people don't understand it and once we explain the the the the trap release program, what it does, it keeps from the small kittens and stuff being born under bushes, brought into us, overcrowding our shelter. uh the euthanasia rate going up. Um so we've partnered with Kitty City on that and that's been a great program over the last seven years. Uh we've been able to keep pretty much the cat kennel area uh completely empty. Um there's been several times I've gone back there and we have no cats whatsoever. uh it's completely empty where when I started back around 2010 we were euthanizing like every other day and uh it's not a good thing especially for our officers that takes a a direct toll on their mental uh ability and and also you know later on in their physical ability. I've lost officers because of that. So as far as a uh the model um so the foster or rescue plan uh placement uh to give animals safe temporary placement veterinarian care for animals including spayneuter vaccines and treatment for illnesses or injuries the wrong way. Okay. implement uh shelter protocols uh internally for ACOs assessment uh evaluate current save rate and then uh identify potential obstacles which a lot of our obstacles we're facing today in today's market as far as when it comes to animal control and it's just not us it's across the state it's Albuquerque it's Los Cusus it's El Paso it's Hobbs I've reached out to colleagues uh that I I know from you know other states uh across us and they're going through the

same thing we're going through. Uh a big overcrowding of the animals being returned, especially from uh when CO is now, you know, we're few years past CO, everybody seemed that they wanted an animal to bring in to their home to keep them company. And now that they've gone back to work, um I'm getting a lot of animals returned to us because of uh excuses that I get. And I want to call them excuses, but what I'm getting is I don't have time. Um, I don't have the patience. I don't have the income to be able to take care of the animals. So, where do they end up? Back with us. Uh, part of the problem, too, is um the base. Um, the base turns in a lot of animals to us. Uh, the airmen come in and they they bring, you know, they get an animal, first thing they do is when they move into town, they get an animal and then a year or two later, they're being transferred out to one of their, you know, TDY for the next year and a half. And so, we end up with the animals. That's been a big big thing for us. um engage in community um public awareness. So this brain uh child right here was was from Lieutenant Cully. He'd come to me and said he wanted to start some type of training program to be able to introduce to especially new pet owners that don't quite understand when you get a dog or uh a puppy what it's going to take to introduce it and bring it into the house. soon as they get it, they go home. They, you know, the dog chews up a pair of shoes. Um, they can get, you know, like they get frustrated because they can't train it. So, what do they do? They turn around and bring it to us. So, we we partner with uh positivity transformational program, which is um Dr. for Redendock. Um he has a wonderful program that he's put together for us that he has twice a month that uh he offers it. We offer it's part of our

grant from the Carol Carol Petri Foundation that we're able to pay for these these uh these lessons that are given to anybody that adopts from us. We uh we hand them paperwork on it and uh there's a QR code that they can scan to be to be uh um to register and some people take it, some don't. Uh some of the people trying to return the animals to us, we we try to highly encourage them, you know, to try to to to use this program. So, we're hoping that uh further down the road that this will turn into something really big. It's starting to get bigger as we go along. um advocate uh for the policy change uh pass a no kill resolution for animal committee uh committee to save at least 90% of the animals coming through the the animal control uh use public data dashboard to show progress and and encourage transparency. Um we're very transparent. Our doors are always open. We will show exactly what we do and how it's done. Uh people don't understand that a no-kill shelter doesn't mean that it's 100% no kill. No kill shelters have to put down 10% of their animals because of uh sickness, an animal being injured, um on so forth. Um they, you know, can't save them all, especially when they come in really sick or they've been run over. So that's where the the 10% comes in there. You know, that you have to be 90% or higher to be able to be considered no uh no kill. uh measures and improvement, adjust uh program based on data and community feedback. Um we're always looking for community feedback. We have our Facebook. Um we encourage people if they have an idea to come in and talk to us about what we they think we can make the shelter run smoother. Um I'm always getting with Lieutenant McCully trying to figure out what we can do to try to improve the shelter. Um

so over time shift the culture from euthanasia as a last resort to save uh every life possible which is what we're trying to do now. We we have the vet uh Dr. Hayes through button brand. uh he was the only one that really wanted to work on uh our contract this last year that we put the new contract together because of the pricing of what medical costs that they incur with their medicines and when they do surgeries has gone through the roof. Um they were some of the vets talked about that they were losing money, but Dr. Hayes said, "No, I'm going to stick with you guys because we need a vet to be able to do this kind of thing. So, here are some of our our total numbers here for like calls of service and stuff. Uh, that's uh 3,100 um in 23. And then, of course, you can see the numbers for dogs and cats that were brought in. And then we'll go on to 24. Um calls have gone up. Uh the number of animals that were brought into the shelter have gone up gone up, you know, a lot. And you can see that um 25 we did have a little bit uh the calls kind of went down but the number of animals that were brought in especially the dogs um just keeps climbing and now into 26 they've gone they're starting to climb a lot. We've had to start a a list for people wanting to turn in animals because I I I'm receiving probably 10 to 15 phone calls a day or or people coming in asking to own or impound their animals. If we did that, we were going to be euthanizing go back to euthanizing every day like I I it was when I first started. And like I said, that's something that's really tough when it comes to to the officers and and their mental stability because they feed, they

get close to these animals, they they you know, they talk to them every day, they work with them, and then when we get full because we have nowhere to put them. Now, we've got to pick out the ones we think that maybe not get uh adopted and have to go and do the unthinkable, which it really takes a big toll on on our guys and and our in our and our females. So, the adoptions, if you look there, 23 um total were 268, 24, 327, and then of course we dropped in 25 uh youth in Asia. So total euthanized in 23 was 253 uh 24 193 and then of course now we've jumped back up to 251 and 25 and uh we've had to euthanize here also quite a bit in 2026 which I'm hoping we can start turning that number around. We are working with Best Friends of America on transportation um to try to get these animals to rescues in Arizona and California. Um, I've been working with them on a on a dashboard that they have that we, you know, put our numbers into and, uh, once we get that all put into place, um, if we get over overrun, I can call them and pick out the ones we need and then they'll they'll actually come pick up the animals. We're hoping that at some point maybe we can somehow get some a couple of vans to do some of our own transporting into Texas or into Arizona. So that's that's that's a long long gold uh term gold for us. Work that has been done in the shelter. Um we had plumbing that was done, the sewer lines that were leading out of the shelter which was calling causing a big, you know, uh backup into the shelter and come to find out there was a main line that was that went up over a a block out

there going into the main sewer line that shouldn't have been that way. Um, uh, roofing had been redone in the back kennel area because we had, uh, it was starting to leak pretty bad back there. Uh, we're having to rep repair hatch doors and those are the ones that for the indoor outdoor kennels that are just it's an old building. I mean, we're looking 40 plus years. Uh, repair on the AC units all summer long because of everybody knows how hard our water is here in Alam Maguardo and it's swamp coolers in the back. So the khichi and everything that builds up back there. Um we had we put new turf in the back play area. Um and it was that was through the Carol Petri grant that we were able to do that. Um they've been wonderful to us. You know they've they've been they've provided probably close to 200,000 in in in finance for our shelter. Um, so we were able to put uh turf back there because we didn't have the water pressure anymore to to push the sprinkler system that we had at one time because of changes that were made above us up there, you know, at the at the ball field and everything at the pump house. Uh, we had uh we had to purchase a tough shed uh because we're, you know, we're getting pretty crowded in the shelter. So, we were able to purchase a tough shed through Carol Petri to be able to store a lot of our supplies out there and feed and and things. Uh we had to do a repair on the main line coming into the building um because it had just gotten old and uh we there was a tree up front at one time that kind of went right through it. Um we had the front main building repainted. We had uh flooring, brand new flooring installed. I don't know if anybody can remember the old shelter what it looked like. Had cotton uh candy pink in the inside the shelter which was Yeah, it wasn't the best. So, we were able to get this repainted and that also was through the Carol Petri uh Petri uh grant that uh that was able to uh that

fund that that for us. And also we also built what they call an out building because the the um spay and nut program or the TNR the you know trap produce program they didn't want the old uh boxes where people could drop off animals on the north side of the building because then we didn't know where the animals were coming from. So through the one of the first grants we got through Carol Preachy I think was was right around 60,000 we were able to be build an out building with had uh it was heated and cooled new cages put in there and then there's a cipher lock put on the door where they contact dispatch dispatch can open it up manually and they can put the animals in there and get the information. So thanks to Carol Petri we were able to to do that one also. This right here is our new dog wash station that was purchased from uh we have a volunteer Jan Sanchez. We talked about this uh we found one online. She went online and started asking for donations and by God within an hour and a half we had the money to be able to do this. So people are wanting to donate to the shelter. Um they're wanting to help the shelter out as much as they can. This is the catery that we had built uh about a year and a half ago um for uh to get the cats out of uh being caged up. We can put them in there. They can roam around. They can play. They get to, you know, crawl up on the wall, hide in the boxes. Um this was also through the Carol Petri Foundation that we were able to do this. This is the exercise area that we like I told you that Carol Petri helped fund for us with the turf and uh the canopy

and also the uh exercise equipment that uh that we were able to purchase for the animals to get out and exercise them. Um repair still needing uh chain link on the gates. Um uh you know like Lieutenant McCull and myself we talked about chain link is just you look at our shelter and it's just it it it it's just drab when you walk in there and all the chain link and stuff and the dogs jumping up on it and it's not safe.

Dog prison. Yes. Um the poles that bleed into the concrete, like I said, that building is going over 40 years old. They are starting to rust out. We've had to replace some of them because, you know, we're washing down every day. We're using uh solutions to keep the parvo and the steer down in in the shelters back there so it eats away at what's back there. Um so some of the repairs the retaining wall so we had a heavy rain about a year ago maybe two years ago and for some reason it's never done this but now it's starting to. came down Fairgrounds Road, jumped over the curb into our back area and went right through our back kennels and we were flooded back there up to about halfway up our shin. We had to open up all the doors and and get the water pushed out. So, at some point we were having to look at maybe some type of retaining wall. Uh kennels, they need to be repainted. Uh we repainted they they were repainted about 14 years ago through help with the big give from Hollowman, but you're talking 14 years ago and there's been a lot of animals that have come in through through through that shelter. Uh we would like to do the epoxy on the floor. It's easier cleanup and it's actually easier for the animals also because that floor, you know, concrete only lasts so long and putting solution down on the floor starts to eat it up. Uh the front of the building, we at one time it was landscaped, but because of some of the the rains that we've had and the way that water comes down now down Fairgrounds Road, um it's washed the rocks and stuff and there's not really any type of landscape or pattern in the front of our building. It just it's it's it's it to me it's not very I it's not very appealing when you when you pull up to it. Um, uh, one of the there's some fencing in

the back that needs to be repaired. Like I said, it's chain link and it just after a while it starts to to roll up at the bottom. So, we're having always to restake it so the animals don't get, you know, out. So, that's one of the uh main repairs that we need to get done. Also, here's some of the photos that you know that uh if you look in some the ceiling up there, things that are falling apart. The uh that right there is some of the insulation that should be covered and it's just it's it got wet and from before they were able to repair the roof. Uh you can see the the way the chain link the way it happens with the dogs when they're trying to get out and they're pulling on it which with

if we were able to get So wow I got an echo. Um, if we were able to push for a new shelter, it would be all stainless steel, stainless steel walls, the doors would be stainless steel, and that would be uh a lot healthier, a lot cleanier. Um, as you can see, you know, we got concrete, so after a while, it gets very porous. So, things stay within the concrete and the walls. That's why we have to use a lot of solutions to help keep uh the parvo demper and the bordetella and all that stuff uh down within the shelter. Uh that's some ducking that uh that's come in for some of our air conditioning and you can tell where it's just kind of falling apart there. Another photo of another duck that's uh comes into the building. Yeah. So, these are just how the ceiling is is is just falling apart on us, you know, with that with that insulation that that's up there uh along the edge there. Um it just it's old. So, that's uh some of the rusting that's starting to go on at the bottom of these poles within the shelter. You see just it gets, you know, they get and then once they break off, we have to, you know, try to get them fixed as fast as we can because now we can't house an animal in there. So, we also have um Oh, that photo never got in there. That was going to be So, we have a back door also that that uh Dr. Hernandez was able to get funding for us that the the bottom of it in the very back has completely rusted out. I mean, there's a you know, there's daylight about that

much through that back door that it's just rusted out over years. And it's the one of the original doors that was put in when that back building was built. And it's uh it's also it's a safety and also it's a a security issue to, you know, for that door back there. Well, in conclusion, um Chile and Bob,

they want to say thank you. Um we're hoping that at some point we can talk about uh trying to get the shelter to a no kill status, but one of the main things that as far as trying to get it to no status, we have to improve our building. Um and the building that where it sits now, I I don't know how how we would be able to improve that. So, we're hoping that maybe we can uh start looking at some type of resolution or something, mill levies, bond, I don't know, something to be able to get a new shelter built because um people are very uh animal oriented here in El Magordo and they want the best for the animals. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Next on the agenda is public comment. And we're going to start with uh Tamara Hansen. And this is about your oath. Is that it? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And you have three minutes to state your I'll read fast. I I'll try.

All right, then. Thank you. Good evening, Madame Mayor, commissioners, city management, members of the public and press. I'm Tamara Hansen, president of the city workers union, ASME Local 3818. I'd like to acknowledge all the city workers present this evening, not just for their united support of the golf course maintenance crew, but for the dedicated service they provide our community and its residents daily. Each of you on this das this evening took an oath to serve the people of Alamogordo. All of them, including the workers who maintain our public spaces, keep our services running, and care for the Desert Lakes Golf Course. Your responsibility is to the public, not to special interests, clicks, or the loudest voices in the room. The issue is not just about golf. It's about jobs, public accountability, and the kind of city Alamagordo wants to be. It's poor economic policy to take career opportunities away from city residents and replace them with uncertain private sector jobs. You can't sustain and grow a community on low-wage and unstable work. You can't ask young people to stay in Alam Maggoro while eliminating the very jobs that give working families a reason to build a life here. There's no major industry in Alamordo. Not everyone can work at Hollowman or in real estate or healthcare. The city itself must remain a source of stable, skilled, and community sustaining employment. And part of that workforce is the skilled golf course maintenance crew you're now considering pushing aside. These workers are not disposable. They are trained city employees. They are residents, taxpayers, neighbors, and members of this community. In a time of

of economic uncertainty, this commission should not be taking away livelihoods, health care, and stability without first proving that doing so is necessary, responsible, and truly in the public interest. Tax dollars paid for the improvements at Desert Lakes. Tax dollars paid for the irrigation system. Tax dollars paid for the specialized training needed to maintain it. Those tax dollars came from all of us, not just golf course patrons. Desert Lakes is a municipal golf course. It belongs to the public. It should remain accessible, accountable, and operated for the benefit of the whole community. Privatization and dynamic pricing risk moving that public asset further away from the people who paid for it. Show some confidence in the city's own investment. Show confidence in the workers you've trained. Show confidence in the public workforce you already have. We thank Mr. Dalpes for his years of service and wish him a happy retirement. We thank the golfers for their continued support. But we should also thank the employees who maintain that course every day, not reward them with uncertainty and displacement. Alamagordo is capable of managing its own municipal golf course. The answer is not to outsource these workers. The answer is to invest in them, retain them, and give them the support they need to keep serving this community, our community. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh, the next person on the agenda is Jane Doe and she's talking about the golf course.

Oh, well, Jane's shy, so she asked me to read her letter into the record. I'm Tamara Hansen again. And from Jane, she says, "To set the record straight, the family fund center bowling alley was a commission-led initiative, not to be confused with a city staffled initiative. The commission decided to build it and have a contractor run and operate the entire facility. No city staff were ever working at the Family Fund Center bowling alley." When that contractor disappeared and defaulted on their contract, the city was left with a facility they could not enter, inspect, or operate until after a fairly lengthy legal process. When the city finally entered the facility, they found damaged equipment and numerous unmet maintenance needs. They also found that the liquor license was suspended because the contractor had not paid taxes owed. Commissioners, can you guarantee the citizens of Alam Mcordo that this will not happen to the golf course? Can you guarantee that all the taxpayer funded equipment and facilities will not be damaged, stolen, or shut down for an extended period of time when or if the contractor defaults on their contract? Do you realize that if this happens, there would be no restaurant, no pro shop, no golfing, and depending on how long it takes to work through the legal issues, it could kill the entire course after the millions of dollars just spent to start the rehabilitation process because the city would be locked out of their own facility just like the bowling alley. Will you, the commission, take responsibility for this? Keep golf

course maintenance in the hands of the city. Protect the investment. Thank you, Jane Doe. Thank you. Uh the next person on the agenda agenda is Alberto Palifax and you have three minutes.

Uh good evening, mayor uh and city commissioners. My name is Albert Pelifox and I have been a city employee for 4 and a2 years. I'm here tonight as a member of Ask Me Local 3818 and as and as one of the workers who has helped take care of Desert Lakes Golf Course with pride, skill, and dedication. Therefore, outsourcing our jobs would be a mistake because it would have an immediate effect on seven city employees, the Alamagora community, and other delayed consequences. The immediate effect is on seven city employees losing their jobs, benefits, insurance, and retirement. I don't think the Alamagordo community would be in favor of price increase in golf fees, annual membership passes, or the termination of private golf cart usage, but that is a probable possibility if the golf course maintenance is given to a private contractor. Our golf course maintenance supervisor was able to obtain approved funds for a $4 million irrigation system, new water pumps, and windmills. So, this would be a gross mismanagement of money partially obtained by tax dollars. In conclusion, these are the reasons why it would negatively affect city employees and community if the golf course maintenance was outsourced to a private contractor. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Next on the agenda is Thaddius Gilmore and he's talking about the golf course.

Good evening, Madame Mayor, commissioners. I'm Thaddius Gilmore, assistant superintendent at the golf course taxpayer and proud union member. I have three serious concerns and they all point to one issue. whether the public is being given the full truth before major decisions are made with our money, our public works, and our public assets. First, there are serious questions surrounding the reported settlement involving the former city manager. If the city paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove city manager, who was only hired a few weeks ago, then the public deserves to know uh full transparency. This is not a small personnel matter. This is public money. And when public money is spent at the level that it has been, the people have a right to know what happened, what decisions were made, who made them, and whether they're good for Alam Gordo. If the former city manager was raising concerns, enforcing rules, or requiring proper procedures to be followed, then removing that person raises even more questions. That's precisely the role. The commission can't expect the public to accept silence on a matter of this magnitude. Secondly, I'm deeply concerned about any effort to privatize, transfer control of public assets, including our parks, fields, green spaces, and our golf course. These places belong to people of Alamagordo. They were paid for by generations of taxpayers. They're not bargaining chips, and they're not private business opportunities. Before any step is taken towards privatization, outsourcing, sale, lease or transfer of public control into private hands, the public should see the full record. That means proposal appraisals, financial studies, communications, meeting notes, cost comparisons, and any

discussion with private companies or interested parties. No public land or public service should be moved without transparency. Third, I'm troubled with the role of current or existing contractors in these private discussions. It's clearly a conflict and calls into question the integrity of the procurement process. The public has a right to know exactly their involvement. Was the process truly open and competitive? Were alternatives considered? It appears to be preferential treatment for insiders who were given special access, influence, and information that the public and the workers didn't have. These are not small questions. These go straight to the integrity of our government. So tonight, I'm formally asking the city commission and administration to release all public records related to the former city manager's release and settlement, any plans involving parks and the golf course, and any communication, involvement or influence by the current contractors or potential private operators. The people of Alamagord are watching. Our families are watching. And this commission cannot make decisions about public land, public jobs, or public money behind closed doors and expect us to simply trust a process we cannot see. If these decisions are truly in the public interest, then prove it in public. Thank you.

Thank you. Next on the agenda is Katie Owens and he's going to be speaking on current commissioners recall.

You guys know what I look like. Hi, I'm friendly neighborhood protester. Just to remind you some of the stuff going on that you were elected for. Please state your name.

I'm Katie Owens. the stuff that you were elected for, you are undoing. You offered her a contract and instead of signing the contract and agreeing with her, instead you're going to, okay, we're going to buy her out. That's shady as hell. And I'm telling you the truth. And now what I personally know because I've been here, what you're doing to the golf course employees is wrong. And I want to know how much you're getting in the contract, how much is going on behind closed doors, because if we're not giving these answers, I'm going for recalls. And I got three of them eyeballed. Okay, you have a great day. Thank you. And last on the agenda is Echo Johnson, and she's going to be talking about the leader. Hello again. My name is Ekko Johnson. I'm not here to talk about the golf course or the city manager. Um, I did see on the agenda that the Lita funds were being questioned about what their use was to be and I just wanted to remind the commissioners that I do have an application in and just wanted to make sure I wasn't forgotten about. So, thank you. Have a good day.

Thank you. For everyone that has a question about what's happening in these meetings, you do have the ability to IRA emails and communications that happen within our city. That way, you get it directly from the horse's mouth, not from any news source, fake or real, if that exists in our town. Response. I'm sorry. If you get a response,

if you get a response. So, I would I would let you know that with that that that's not up to the commissioners. that that would be another opportunity for you to be outraged that you're not able to get the information that you're looking for. So, don't forget that you do have the opportunity to get the information that you're looking for if you don't feel like you're getting it. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, next on the agenda is the city manager report.

Good good morning. Good evening, madame mayor, mayor prom commission. First, I want to apologize. I had a family obligation. I wasn't sure when I was going to be here and then I was listening to the meeting on my way here and I played during the during the commission meeting. So, um, as always, I rely on my directors when I'm not available. So, I had Shelly step in and so she's actually going to say a few things about community development. Good evening, Madame Mayor, commissioners, Dr. Hernandez. I'm Shelley Dhanic Baron. I am the new director of the community development department overseeing engineering planning and zoning and safety and I just want to give you a brief update on how our department has been going the two weeks that I've been on board. We have a rock star of an engineer in Esther Sherman. She is a self-starter go-getter and she is taking all kinds of issues that the department has been faced with by the bullhorns and she is taking care of business. Um we held a team uh building exercise today for just the department and the number one focus of our department is customer service. We are streamlining all of our processes so we can respond to the public in a timely manner and just improving our communication with the public. Um, my door is always open. If any of you have any questions about how the department is going and what we're doing, please come by. We will be fleshing out our department a little bit more. We will be hiring another inspector very shortly and um making sure that all of our projects are up to city standards. So, thank you. And then I just wanted to do two quick reminders. The Altus Award is next week. Um that is at 5:00 at the Civic Center. You all have been invited. And then at Saturday at noon, there is a dedication of the Sheffield clock and the

Rutherford Star downtown um Main Street. And again, that's Saturday at noon. So I wanted to I'll put that on your calendar as well. Okay. Thank you. Um next is remarks and inquiries by the city commission. something. Yeah.

Um I just want to make sure that the commission recognizes that this is police week um throughout the country and I'd like to thank all of the officers um all law enforcement officers for what they do um and they get up and go to work every day and make sure that everybody's safe. Um in particular, I'd like to recognize one police officer. Um, he's a really good friend of mine, Carrie Jarrett. Carrie Jarrett started his career with DPS in 1984. He retired in in 2006 for 90 days, came back in 2006, and is still currently a police officer. So, for the last 42 years, he's been helping protect the city of Elen Gordo. Thank you.

Anybody else? Okay, I do have um a couple of things that I wanted to mention and I will start out with the um the main street the um the ribbon cutting on uh Saturday the um 16th of the Sheerville. They're going to be donating a family clock and there's a star in the uh the road for um Sheriff uh Rutherford who was killed um back years ago. So, we have the memorial dedication for 12:00. Um, we have supplied the uh proclamation for both those items and uh I will not be there on um Saturday. So, uh I am putting it out to first u the uh mayor prom uh if he would be able to attend on Saturday at 12:00. What was it? The

It's the uh proclamation read for the uh family clock for the Sheerfield family and also the um uh proclamation for Sheriff Rutherford. Let me talk with the better half and see what we have. We have a graduation deal this weekend for her granddaughter. So, all right. And then if you're not able to um uh actually do that, may not be able to. Okay. And then I would um uh actually go to uh the commissioner for district number five if you would be able to do that. Um Saturday at noon. I should be able to. Okay.

Yeah. Because I have a lot of friends that actually work for Mr. Sheffield and um the building where my wife works actually right now is owned by the Sheffields. Okay. So um if you are not able to attend, I actually went to three different people. So, I also asked the Commissioner Robinson if there is any reason why uh you could not be there, we do have that um somebody else to stand in at 12:00. So, I wanted to extend that to all of you that uh even if you're not able to uh attend. Just keep that in mind.

Okay. So, at this point, we're going to have Commissioner Hernandez is going to be at the uh at the at New York Avenue at 12:00 and the proclamations are already there. So, all you have to do is receive them.

Um the second thing that I wanted to mention is that um we had the National Prayer Day on uh May 7th and it was hosted by Christ Community Center. It was um uh we had a really good attendance and one of the things I just wanted to remind um uh people when they need a proclamation we can't do it that morning. So you need to have it in at least uh 5 days before um so they can uh actually have it done. Um, I also attended the Living Wax Museum at Sunset Hills Elementary School on Monday, uh, the 11th. And it was really unique, I said, because you had, uh, students that were dressed up like, uh, heroes, uh, presidents, first ladies, uh, people who worked with, u, you know, just getting, uh, things done, justices, um, also people who work with the civil rights movement. So, it was extremely um educational and the kids had um at least um a little press button on their table where you could press it and they had their little cards uh already filled out so you could uh hear what they had to say. And I think it was a a unique um way of uh getting social studies back into the school. And the reason why I know that part is because somebody told me uh that social studies was not in the elementary schools. and it was a good way to get it back in. Um, the Altus Award, uh, I just wanted to just, uh, mention that, um, on May 20th, uh, at 5:00, uh, they're going to be at the civic center for, uh, the celebration. And we're inviting all of the, uh, commission and people to show up, uh, that day for, uh, this award. And my voice is getting really cracked and I need a little louder.

Um, last on the list is Almagorto Citywide Cleanup. It's July the 18th. It's from 7 o'clock in the morning um to 12. Uh, we have uh the headquarters is going to be at Dudley Community Center and Park, 523 Maryland Avenue. Uh, free dumpsters provided uh in your district to dump your junk. Uh, yard cleanup services are provided for seniors, disabled, and military. Uh free shredding will be at the Dudley Community Center from 10 to 12. Uh the dumpster location is going to be Indian Wells and Scenic, 2201 uh Puerto Rico Avenue, and that's at the Senior Center, 817 North Scenic, New Beginnings Church um parking lot, Panorama Boulevard, uh next to the Fairfield Inn, Walker Road at the baseball park, Oregon School, 1500 Oregon Avenue, and of course there will be a dumpster at um Dudley Community Center. Also, uh the other thing that I wanted to mention, um that evening, uh this is uh for the people who will volunteer. Uh we are purchasing four tickets to the Bart Crow uh concert and uh for anybody that helps out. Uh we will actually put your name in the uh drawing and you can actually get um a ticket for that night. So, you can work in the morning and you can get entertained in the evening. And this is actually put on by Thrive. And so you will uh be able to um you know to connect and also contri contribute to not only Elmagorto for the um for the cleanup but also entertain and uh supply money to thrive so they can continue to give money to our nonprofits in the city. And I think that's all I have tonight. So um we will move on to the consent agenda. I've already got them.

Okay. Okay. So, uh for the the consent agenda, we're going to be pulling item number four and seven. So, we will uh go for the approval of three, five, and six. Do I have a motion? So, move. Do I have a second? Second.

Okay. So, it's been motioned by Commissioner Robinson, second by Commissioner Bernett, and we're going to go for the vote. Commissioner Robinson.

I don't have anything on my screen. I'm ready to vote in the affirmative. Nothing's on my click. The eote. Since you made the motion, I'm going to You're voting yes. Is that correct?

Yes. Okay. And the vote uh passes 70. Item number four is consider and act upon resolution 202612 increasing the animal control fees. And this is for Dwayne Martinez, animal control manager, and David Macaulay, APD Lieutenant. Lieutenant, I just had a quick question here. Let me I'm trying to pop this up here. Um on the fees you're you're asking to to increase.

Yes sir. Um this out here in a second.

Yeah. Most of the fees at the top are generated by the veterinary clinics. We don't have any control over that. So the bottom half of the list are the increases that we've suggested. Bear with me. So, while you're thinking, um, the only one I see in here that I kind of have a little bit of an issue with is the impound fee going from $ 20 to $100. That is one that uh everybody across uh New Mexico and other places we've looked into have gone from 100 to 150. Reason we're asking for that increase because the $20 owner company has been there since I started in 2010. So since then we've had the cost of food go up. We've had the cost of of uh shocks, things like that uh go up a lot. Probably about 40 to 50% in that as far as medications, um the housing of the animals, increasing and running the facility. So, when we get an animal in that's it owner incounted, we've got to come up with that money somewhere. All of the costs have gone up. Electricity has gone up, water's gone up, the chemicals for taking care of the animals has gone up. Um so, and it's gone up significantly, and these have been in place for at least 15 years. So, what we would like to do is increase it to the point where we can at least give the animal a little bit of time, a little bit extra time, and offset some of those extra costs in order to maybe give them more time to get adopted out.

The county shelter has theirs uh I believe it started out 80, they went to 100 and they were talking about increasing it more. Los Cuses, El Paso, everybody has theirs about right around$100 to $110 to come in because of the cost of housing the animals be anywhere from, you know, 72 hours to we've had some that have been there for 12 months. I mean, the only reason I'm asking is because would that turn somebody off from coming and getting their dog? You know, that's a surrender fee. That's a surrender fee. That's not if you if you want to get rid of your dog. No, no, no. So, the impound fee, that's a surrender fee. Yes. Surrender. Okay. So, it's just worded wrong.

Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Yeah. I mean, that's still kind of I mean, I'd rather them go to the shelter than be let out on the street as well, too. So, just Okay. We've also put into place uh a chipping. So, when somebody adopts a dog from the shelter, there's a no fee electronic chipping to each animal, which if the animal escapes or something like that should happen, it would um help us identify the dog and return the dog to their owner.

Yeah, we put that uh we put that together with the help of Dr. Hernandez. um giving uh free microchips. So meanwh I went out to AKC, which is our microchipping company. It was a self-sustaining program. Every 25 we sold uh which was a box of uh of uh microchips, which was $25. Um we would get a new box free. We've been doing that since I started. So Dr. Annis had the idea, hey, let's start microchipping so we can find the owners uh when we do find them or the ones that are trying to own found that they're not their animals. So, so far we've uh we started that at the 1 of May and it's been pretty successful. We've had a lot of people coming in to get that premarket check.

I have one. What is the dangerous dog permit? So dangerous dog permit. We have a dangerous dog acting state in New Mexico that if a dog uh it depends on the severity of a bite, the severity of attack or how many times the dog is attacked, we go for a seizure warrant, sees the animal, we uh then we go before it has to go through magistrate and uh the owner has to come forward and uh defend it wide if they don't think it's it's dangerous. But of course, we have what we investigation shows that it is dangerous. So, in order for them to get it back, if the judge deems that they can get it back, that means they have to increase their fence. Um, they have to put it through uh training, they have to get it fixed up to date with all shots, and then we have to go out there and inspect the fencing uh to make sure that that dog will no longer get out. If the judge feels like it's not uh the dog is not manageable enough to be able to return to the owner, the judge will seize it and then it turns it over to the city and we uh destroy it humanely. Um, and we've since time I've been there, I think we've had do uh we've had several dangerous dogs go before the judge and half of them complied about getting their fences fixed and doing what they needed to keep the animal and the other ones hadn't. So, they were turned back over to us and we had to destroy human because as you know sometimes animals are not rehab. It's all depends on how the owner sprays them and some of them are sprays pretty nasty. So, What's the uh intact intact fee?

So the intact fee is if somebody we pick up somebody's dog and they come into the shelter to reclaim it. Um if they have paperwork saying that their dog is purebred which is through AKC ADBA um through the national registry showing they have a lage of of the mother and the father theire saying that this animal is 100% pure bread. they can get it out one time um under that under that role without being spayed or neutered. Without being spayed or neutered. Yes.

Any animal that comes in that doesn't have that paperwork will get spayed or neutered before they're returned to the owner because they already got out once. So, we're trying to keep our population low. But if you do have a purebred dog and they want to use that dog for breeding purposes, uh they'll have to pay the intact fee to get their animal back without those procedure. get a breeding permit on top of that. But if the animal gets out again, uh that's the one time get out of jail free cards away. What about the dead animal pickup? Is that just if you have an animal that's passed away, you guys will come get it. Has passed away at the house home and you know quite large. They don't know what to do with it. So we actually go out and pick them up.

Mark, do you have your question? I do. Sorry. Um, so I just was u it just says approximate 5% increase. Now on the based on the increase by vets, the these fees are not 5% over what's on the left hand side. I mean they're more like 30 and 50% or maybe

that is a so that was set like I said so we had a contract that was contract runs for one year but we can extend it for two years. Okay. So we haven't been able to. So nothing gets increased over that time and like I said over the last three years everything has increased. So if that 5% is still on there and it's not right I apologize but uh that is set by uh negotiating with uh the vets on on what on what they can afford to give us a lowcost spare and neuter because the some of the vets that are no longer doing the contract with us um if you go and ask them what the spare neuter fee is for off the street just private citizen has gone up to anywhere between $500 to $600. And so we've been able to kind of keep it somewhat low.

So what was it? What was the the fee prior to this increase? The the cost for the for our pricing it there's no there's no fee in here. just it's blank and then it says it's going to go to 20450 for like a female. He's talking about the cats. The cats. Yeah, I'm just working on the list. But yeah, so is that is that the total overall price with the shots and everything at the bottom? Is it Is it It just goes right straight across. There's nothing. And then the current vet fee is zero. It doesn't say anything. And then it says 2450. So

that is total with the with the cost of the shots, the rabies um our shots, the rabies, the the um and the spare neuter on the animals. So if you look at it, there's a cost for the female cats and there's a cost for the male cats. But how we've been able to keep that low is because we've partnered like I said with Kitty City and uh and we have every other weekend we're having events at the mall and so we're able to partner with Kathy uh Denton through Kitty City and so she has a very lowc cost spayer neuter with with a vet up in Capitan. So correct that's how we've been able to keep that low

just because I've never been through this process. Um, so if you get a cat, a dog, whatever, and you uh sterilize that dog or the cat, and it comes back, I mean, how is this how is this money um where does this money go? I mean, who's paying this? I mean, that's So, it gets paid through us. It gets paid directly to us, okay?

And it comes into, you know, we we deposit it. But the only thing we get out of it is the the is the uh for the cats is the feline shot. um and the and the actual um adoption fee. Everything else goes to the vet. The rabies uh has to be paid to the vet and so does the fixing of the animal goes to the vet. That cost to get the animal fixed. So they bill us they bill us on a monthly basis and then they uh they get paid for what they've done as far as a spare and neuter on on on the animals. Okay. I guess you don't understand my question. So is if if this 20450 is being charged,

who is paying that 20450? The person that's adopting the animal. Okay. So if if someone comes in and adopts a cat, a female cat, and you guys fix that cat, they're going to pay 2450. Yes, sir. And then the what we get out of it from the city is just the adoption fee and our feline uh shot. That's that's all we get out of it. The rest has to be paid to the vet through our through our pro um through the billing because they bill us on a monthly basis. So, do you feel like there's any way possible that you feel like if it was lower that more cats or more dogs would be

if it was lower? Absolutely. But the vets, that's what that that's what they had gone to because of their cost when it comes to the necessizing of the animal before surgery, the followup after surgery, uh the tools that they have to use to be able to fix the animal. Um so their pricing is I mean because I sat with Dr. Hayes when we were going over this and he showed me his billing from when three years ago to now. I get it. And it was just insane. They're not making any money off of us either. They're doing it at a low cost to us as, you know, for the citizens and that's why the other vets have actually backed out. I apologize. I'm trying to understand the No, sir. No, sir. Yeah. So, okay.

I've always paid to have my cats and dogs fixed. So, Yes, sir. And, like I said, it's gone. If you if you were to walk into one of the vets right now, uh, you would just you'd fall over backwards. I just I just feel like if if this fee was a little bit less and and I don't know if you if you pick up a cat and then uh decide, hey, yeah, we're going to fix this cat and then then we got adopt or you adopt it first and then and then have it fixed. I don't know how that process works. Yeah. And so when if you adopt from us, you have to have it fixed through us. Okay. You can't just pick it up, take it home and

decide not to. Ah, gotcha. you know, and the reason we started doing that uh when I started um is because there was a lot of uh inbreeding, not inbreeding, but backyard breeding, especially with the pickles. So, if somebody could come in and pick up their dog and pay just a $25 fee to pick it up, and then they would say, "Yeah, I'm going to get it fixed. Yeah, I'm going to get it fixed." Well, they're out $25. And then they go get it. Then they go breed it. Now, they're charging $1,500 per dog. To them, that $25 is a drop in the bucket. I I I mean I would like to probably see these fees a little bit lower. I mean that's my personal opinion because I would love to also if it's one of those that

if you you know for the dogs we were charging last year about $180 per animal and now you can see what it's gone up to. Okay. I'm just going to interject just a second. David Cooneyhero for the record. Um, we those fees are obviously controlled mostly by the vets and and the work they're doing, but what we've been able to do is get some grant opportunities, which is when we're offering half off or free adoptions. The grant monies are covering those so we can try to help get these animals adopted out of the shelter.

Yes, sir. We have a the grant we're using now is through the veterinarian board. Um, is a $40,000 grant. So, we've been able to offer free spay and neuter or free market shipping. So, I work with Deb Osborne on a daily basis. We have another grant that we're we're putting in for Ken through Carol Petri. You know, every year they say, "Hey guys, um you've done a good job on what you've done, so here's another grant." Um their grants have decreased, but still, I mean, it's nice when you can get 20,000 and be able to offer prices. And then also in addition to that, we've um met to have some RFPs go out, see if we can get veter uh veterans around our area and maybe go do a transportation to get them um spare and neutered at a lower cost.

I was talking about the ban transportation. That's all I got. All right. Do I have a motion to um on the uh item number four? So moved. And second second.

So it's been uh moved by uh Commissioner Hernandez, second by uh Commissioner Robinson. Uh we're going to put it up for vote. Came up this time. And the vote passes 70. Item number seven, uh, consider and act upon approval of change order one in the amount of $80,135.50 excluding NMGRT to national construction for changes in the state wage rate and u rates and sidewalk edition. And this is going to be Joseph Samura, project manager. Hi,

good evening madame mayor, mayor proemp commissioners. I have a brief summary of the change order number one for fire station 2. Um the proposed sidewalk addition is necessary to uh comply with city requirements mandating the installation of new curb and gutter along with the new sidewalk. Because the city is requiring its own departments to adhere to these specifications, it's in the city's best interest to have his projects install these infrastructure improvements. These improvements give a consistent framework that supports and guides future infrastructure department. The current cost for this improvement is $74,000 20 $32 $74,2326. In addition to this increase, I have provided you with the new wage rates for the fire station 2 project. These are the new rates for 2026 totaling $5,9324. This is the rate increase due to the change in the wage rate decision uh to 2026b rates bringing uh today's total change order to $80,135.50. Originally, this rate was a 2025 rate. However, the bidding was overdue to the state's time frame. The state had us delete the project and complete a new one. Since we created the new one in January, the rate had to change to 2026.

Quick question on that. How many lineal feet of sidewalk are you doing? Um, seems like an awful lot of money for Is this the sidewalk along the road, Long Walker? Yeah. Well, it's going to include three drive pads. Okay. And it's going to go 100 approximately 156 feet from 5 foot wide sidewalk. Yes, sir. Okay. And then three drive pads. Yeah. It'll probably be a little bit beefier because of the fire truck. Exactly. 6 in is 6 in the standard say. Did you have a question?

I just asked to pull it off because of the amount and just to be transparent. Also on this one, since it's due to that fire station, I'm going to abstain from voting on this one. So, okay. All right. All right. So, do we have a motion? I'll make motion to accept. Get a second. Second.

Okay. And it's been a motion by Commissioner Hernandez, second by Commissioner Robinson. We're going to put it to the vote. So the a vote passes with um 64 and one abstension. Thank you.

Thank you. Next on the agenda is consider and act upon ordinance 1724 for the first publication an ordinance repealing chapter 22 subdivision requirements of the code of ordinance of the city of Elamorta New Mexico and adopting updated subdivision regulations in chapter 20 land development code and this is going to be Liz um tree planter but it looks more like Shelly the Community Development Director.

Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Prom, Commissioners, Dr. Hernandez. We're here this evening to present uh the first um hearing of the proposed ordinance changes. It's a repeal of section um chapter 22 of the code of ordinances inputting a new code uh code in chapter 20. It's to update the regulations so that they are more modernized with current construction practices and also with other municipalities and what they they are doing. Um we are looking obviously to protect the health, safety and welfare of the citizens of Alam McGor through these changes. Tonight we have Liz Treat from Bohan in Houston who has been our planner consultant on putting the ordinance together. And we also have Shelby Abbott who is the uh assistant city planner for the city of El McGordo. Liz is going to be making the presentation, but we're all here to answer any questions you might have.

Thank you. The presentation is getting set up. Yeah. Um good evening, mayor, mayor proam, and commissioners. Um my name is Liz Treat. I'm a planner with Bohan and Houston. Thank you for your time this evening. I'm going to give a brief presentation and just go over the um subdivision regulations code update at a high level. Why update the subdivision regulations? The regulations need to be updated to reflect current best practices, improved clarity and usability, and to ensure that the infrastructure will be developed to meet the needs of the citizens of Alamagordo. Extensive engagement was conducted as part of the update process. I was able to conduct stakeholder meetings with 12 city staff, six elected officials and seven developers and contractors as well as hold three public meeting opportunities. All comments were documented, considered, and incorporated as appropriate. Based on stakeholder interviews, I learned that the subdivision review and approval process had been um somewhat mishandled in the past because the standards were not clear and because standards were missing. How are the subdivision regulations changing? Mainly the code is being restructured to enhance clarity and ease of use. Clarity was added to the different applications and review processes. The updated code includes performance, financial guarantee, and warranty bond mechanisms that I will go over briefly. The current subdivision regulations were adopted over 20 years ago. They exist separately from other land development code in the municipal code and the sections are structured like a long

grocery list. So, it's not very easy to find things. The updated subdivision regulations will be incorporated into a comprehensive land development code and are newly organized into four sections so you know where to find everything. The first section includes the purpose, applicability and jurisdiction. The next section includes the subdivision processes. And this is just a flowchart giving a brief overview of that. This slide shows a flowchart of the major platting process which includes the process for review and approval of a preliminary plat and subsequent final plat. The third section of the updated subdivision regulations goes into detail on when to submit and what is required for a subdivision development plan, preliminary plat, construction plans, and final plat. The last section of the updated code um ensures that adequate public facilities are constructed through the use of a development agreement, exception request requirements, performance financial guarantee, warranty bond, and standards for streets, blocks, lots, and parks. The updated code allows a developer to file a final plat with the county prior to completion of in infrastructure by providing the city with a performance financial guarantee. When the infrastructure is substantially complete, the performance financial guarantee is returned and a warranty bond is provided um to the city for one year. That is an overview of the subdivision regulations ordinance before you tonight. Thank you for your time and I'm happy to help answer any questions you have.

Are there any questions on this ordinance? I have one. Uh Stephanie Doug sent an email obviously. I'm sure we all read it uh with his concerns. Yes. Did did you ever reach back out to him? I did and um Shalley also spoke with him. Um since this is the first reading of the publication, we are still taking all the feedback. The earliest this will come back is um June 9th. That's the earliest. So if we get a lot of feedback um we will work through all of those and incorporate them or discuss why we can or cannot. So yes, we did respond to him. Thank you.

And I think two points that he made were going from the 50-year flood to the 100red-year flood. Um and then the retention ponds. Uh those are the two main items that I saw in his maintenance concerning the maintenance on the retention pond. on the retention and bonds. Yeah.

Then I had a couple comments on it too. Um the the bonding in there, the warranty guarantee, the financial guarantee. Um is there any way to do a cost analysis of what that's going to cost those developers to do those? Um, you know, right now we've got the the public screaming at us that we need affordable housing, but that's going to increase, you know, with the tech standards in 2022, it increased the cost of those lots by, you know, 3500, $4,500 a piece. Um, that bonding requirement is going to increase the cost of this for each subdivision. The traffic studies are going to increase the cost. Uh, going from a 50-year to a 100redyear flood plane is going to substantially increase the cost. Um, and let's see. And then uh the maintenance it, if I'm reading it right, it's saying the uh the overflow ponds or the detention ponds in there in the ordinance will be the uh responsibility of the developer and for how long will it be theirs or when will the city take over that maintenance of those? And then I had a quick question too on the notice to proceed. I understand the city wanting the u um you know the plans and everything in place, but how do you tell somebody they're not allowed to move dirt around on their own property without your permission? Does that make sense? They're actually investing the money, creating the subdivision, putting in all the infrastructure, and then handing it over to the city of Elmagorto. Um, I don't know why we would find them for, you know, because a lot of times they'll want to go in and clear the land, do their geotechnical before they get an approved plan to the city, but if they break ground prior to that, then we're going to find them according to this. So, I had a little

bit of a question on that. You know, maybe put some stipulations in there. You're allowed to do a little bit of, you know, preliminary dirt work prior to submitting the plat to the city, so you kind of know what you're up against with your geotechnical and that kind of stuff. So,

yeah, that's a good point. That's a good question. Um I think the way it's written it's meant to say that um you know construction to start development of what's on the final plat you know before that can get started and to make sure that um you know what's planned meets what's in the construction documents and what's in the um development agreement um and making sure that the materials that are going to go in uh are up to the city standards. So, I think that that the way the code is written, it's meant to pay for after final plat is is approved and not really meant to tell a developer they can't do what they want with their property, you know, prior to the subdivision um application process. I think that's how it's meant to be understood.

There's a penalty for beginning work on the subdivision before a notice to proceed. Yeah. So, if they go in and you know, a lot of times these guys will go in and kind of rough in the lots, rough in where the streets go prior to putting any infrastructure in. Um, if they don't particularly have their their plat approved by the city at that point, I don't understand how we can hold them responsible or find them for that. Um, I believe this is how it's written in the technical standards currently. So, that that is the process that we're following here.

Okay. And the only time that we have done anything is when they're working in the rightway because we have had this issue come up and when they're just moving dirt and um fairgrounds is the the one that comes to mind and they were moving dirt around but when they started working in the rightway is when we had to a lot of times they'll rough in the right way and then rough in the lots. So they're working in what will be the rightway but they still own the property until the city accepts it. So is that it's kind of a catch 22 because technically it's their land until we accept it. Yes.

So and then like say I would like a on the traffic studies or uh and then the 100-year flood and and then the bonding requirements. I would like to know what kind of a financial impact that's going to have on these subdivisions. So I think it's going to really hinder u development in our community. I I h I have a question. So on on some of the issues that are coming up tonight, were they actually reviewed and discussed during the um you know uh like prior to tonight?

They were. So, did you I mean, was that a a point that it seems like you were looking at the items that needed to be corrected or something looked at to see what else uh needed to be done. So, are we um I mean I think you had like four points that you brought up. Yeah, there's four or five in terms of the performance financial agreement and that being 110%. We looked at some peer communities

and um Las Cusus for example requires 125% of the total cost of um infrastructure. So we lowered it from that, you know, the standard of the pure community. So we did kind of look and see what else was out there and what other cities were doing. Um the warranty bond um we started out at 15% um and we I think we did end up lowering that to 10% based on feedback that we got from the development community um and their concerns with um with having to provide that warranty bond. Um but you know they they they'll get this money back as long as the infrastructure is um you know constructed. Are we going to allow phasing of the subdivisions like we have in the past?

Oh, yes, of course. I just I didn't see anything in there. U but and then one other question I had and and it's kind of pertaining to this is it's in section 204-040 uh letter E. It states that the developer shall agree to lay and construct all paving, curb, and gutter and sidewalk, which I understand it. But the sidewalks, do they have to go in prior to it being accepted? No. Okay. So they can go in as the lots are sold and the homes are built. Yes. Okay. Because it doesn't really state that way. It just says that they'll That was one of the concerns that they had when at the thing that that they they bring there. I mean I remember it being in there, but yeah, we changed the code maybe in a different section to say that they have five years to put all

to get all of the sidewalks. What if you have a a lot that just isn't selling? I guess the developer has to go and put the sidewalks in, right? Even though they don't know where the driveways and stuff will be, right? Okay. They can ask for extension for a year. Correct. I believe there could be an extension. And then it's also that same section item M uh long-term maintenance of improvements such as drainage spawns shall be the responsible responsibility of the property owner. Um I not quite sure with that. You know, subdividers not going to want to maintain that 50 years from now, but they're going to be held to that. Um

that's pretty typical from um my understanding with with peer communities. Um is that you know the city wouldn't take on the responsibility of drainage ponds um that would be on the the property owner. So if the developer is not the property owner in the future, maybe there's some sort of HOA fees or you know some sort of setup or situation where um you know that doesn't fall back back on the city to to maintain um drainage ponds on that private property. Um it from what I understood um the city um is not able to maintain um you know private subdivision parks and landscaping as it has done in the past. Um it's just not um yeah the the city's the parks department is not able to continue to do that. So that kind of falls under that realm as well. So the parks and stuff in these newer subdivisions, the city's no longer accepting them and maintaining them.

Well, we're no we're no longer requiring them either. So we're not requiring them. And if the subdiv subdivider wants it in there, then it would be the up to the subdivision to maintain it if they want it in there. There was a time when we used to require and is the drainage ponds is that more in the commercial side as far as the maintenance of those or most of the residential ones it flows into the street and then flows down to wherever um per their drainage plan.

I think it depends on the situation. Yeah, I don't think that drainage ponds are always required in every situation, but you know, certain types of developments, maybe commercial, I think sometimes subdivision, uh, residential, like say once it's built out and that subdividers out of it and doesn't have any lots to sell, I can understand their side of that. Uh, not wanting to have to maintain that after, you know, like say 50 or 100 years down the road. Yeah. So,

sorry. Um, mayor, commissioners, my experience in the past dealing with retention ponds um and drainage structures of that type are they normally are turned over to the city and the city does maintain them in perpetuity. It is not on the developer. However, I believe that the commission as a whole would have to approve that as a new city policy that we would take on that that long-term cost. That's how it was done in the past. Like say drainage ditches, any kind of drainage structures in the subdivisions. Once it was accepted, I think it became the city's responsibility just like the roads do. You know, we the subdivider does it for a year or two or however long they need to and then and then it falls on on the city to maintain that infrastructure. So

well I think as far as the retention uh ponds are concerned I think it should be the responsibility of the uh subdivision whoever owns it should be their responsibility because I think for the city uh you're constantly trying to get enough people on the maintenance um crew to actually service those areas and I think that uh we should have the community property that should be our main concern. and not the um subdivision uh retention ponds. So, however it was done in the past, I I just see that that is a a responsibility uh that the city should not have to uh to keep for ever. The retention pond's purpose though is to catch the water that's running down the streets and kind of control it and release it at a slower rate, I'm assuming, or or store it till it can evaporate or

and I think it'll be an issue in the future in these subdivisions when it's built out, the subdivider doesn't care about it anymore, and the city's going to be getting the calls, hey, we need this cleaned up. What if we can't find the owner of that subdivision? What do we do?

Right. The long-term policy of the city has been to restrict uh runoff from any parcel of land that is being developed to pre-development rate. That has been our long-standing policy. And you know, whether they uh design a retention pond on site or they use uh different types of material with different permeabilities to contain that runoff within the development. But again, as I said, I I think this might be a change in city policy if we want to codify it that either we don't take the ponds on or we do take them on. Conveyances through ditches is a little different because it's not being held within the development area.

The the issue that we had at Dunzer's here, that drain, is that supposed to go under the road, flow under the road into the raw? Which sub subdevelopment was it? On off of Panorama. Queen Hollow 2. Quail Hollow 2. Um it was I believe correct. Yes. Yes. It's supposed to go under the road. Yes. Yeah. You know that one and then at that point we would take care of responsibility after the fact if something happens there. Well, if it's under the road we have to maintain it and clean it within our right away. Okay. Well, and that's one of the other issues is like Mike Drums has been building houses as long as I have

and he's have not retired, he's fixing to retire. Um, and a bunch of the other guys that were doing developments have retired. So once they are out, I mean, how do you chase him down? You know, that would be my issue with it. They pass away, who who is responsible for it, you know, that's kind of where I was, you know, heading with that. I think the city ought to assume responsibility once the subdivision is accepted and as it part of the infrastructure is part of the infrastructure when it's accepted or when it's completed. When it's accepted by the city because essentially when it's completed is when we accept it. Correct. Mhm. Unless it's in phases. Well, post warranty, right? What's that? After the warranty expires.

After the warranty period. Yeah. You you accept it. We have the one-year warranty period and then at that point then we would assume the city would assume the responsibility for right cleaning those. Commissioner I think what we can do is we can go back and just research you know what our history has been what is you know current standards and best practices in other communities similar to Alamordo and uh look at it more in depth. Do we know how many retention ponds there are? Just depends on the development. How many? We don't have a number. I don't have an answer for that breakdown. There's quite a few.

Just, you know, when a developer's, you know, giving you a million, million and a half dollars worth of infrastructure, a couple million dollars, just putting it in, building it, and then giving it to the city, uh, you know, it's kind of I think, you know, once they're done, it's built out, it's been there for a year or two or whatever, and I think the city needs to assume that responsibility. So, okay. I've taken notes of all the comments that you've made tonight. So, thank you. I'd like to ask a question for clarifying on which subdivisions will be subject to a traffic impact analysis and how that's determined.

Yeah, good question. I was just going to comment on that. So, that process is actually still being developed. Um, so I think maybe that will live in the technical standards document or somewhere else. um in terms of you know what the threshold would be for what um the different intensity of traffic analysis that would be needed um for different subdivisions. So that hasn't really been decided yet. Um but yeah, so that kind of speaks to like the expense of the traffic analysis will be um you know will be relative to the size of the you know subdivision and um uh yeah so it won't be the same level of analysis for every type and size of subdivision.

And have we ever done traffic study in subdivisions before or is this just a new thing? We haven't typically done them, but we have done them. What What was the most recent one? Do you know? Was it Miss Village? Oh, you're right. Somerset. Somerset. It was Somerset. We did one miss, but Somerset, I think, was the last one. You're correct. And how is that fee assessed? Is that what you're asking commission? Correct. The fee for the traffic study. Not

okay. Okay. I don't know if there would be a fee from I think the developer would have that privately um done and then it would just be a part of the application fee and so the developer would pay that. Correct. Thank you. Did the developer do the study on their own or was that something that we required them to do? We would the city would require the developer but but for the the Somerset one was that a requirement?

Shelby Abbott. Um I believe so um assistant city planner for the record and the only thing I can kind of liken this to is for commercial development a restaurant wants to come in they have to do a traffic study. So and that's on and that's on them. I don't ever see the fees or anything for those. So that's what I can that's what I can liken this this to. Okay. And are other communities moving to this traffic study? Is that why we're trying to adopt it?

Yeah. Um yeah, just to you know um make sure that the community is not negatively impacted by any increased traffic and things like that. Um yeah, it's pretty common practice now in cities of this size. And so we're okay with uh narrowing down how that's assessed. Okay. Yeah, that I think that that would definitely be a good idea. Thank you.

I I wanted to go back to the re retention pond. I if the city is going to uh look at maintaining, is there some type of um uh I guess uh process that the pool or the pond has to maintain over the years in order for the city to continue to um uh to you know do the maintenance because people come in and change things all the time. And so as a result of changing the you know the way that retention pond is set up is there something that um the city will uh draft whereas it has to maintain a certain um you know size or you know it has to have certain things in there and because people can come on that property and change things at any time and so and then the city is still expected to care for it or maintain it. So is there anything uh on the city side that it can be guaranteed if we're uh having that responsibility?

So they would it would be turned over to the city and so they could not do that. So it would be similar to like our public works one or the one out here. There's a standard that it has to meet. Okay. You the depth, the slope, the grade. So once if the commission decides to make that part of the city's responsibility, then it would be city property and they they could not change it. I believe there's also an ordinance that disallows you from entering into a ditch or a um pond pond or whatever. Yes, there is.

Like all the people that ride their side by sides down the Right. Were there any concerns that we didn't at least try to address? I I don't remember them all. What? I'm sorry. Were there any other concerns that we didn't discuss? Um I I think per that email from Mr. Nelson, there was some other minor stuff, but these were the main ones. The cost

the cost is the big one to me because like I say, the tech standards in 2022 um increased pretty good, you know, increase in the cost of a lot. Um, and I don't I don't want to I want to avoid increasing the cost of the subdivision any more than what we already have um with with these standards. So, like I say, the traffic study is going to be a big one. I I really don't think in a residential neighborhood traffic studies are really warranted. Um uh but so I think all of those those ought to be looked at and and and some cost uh associated with with those uh brought to us. uh so we can make a better informed decision on that part of it. So

Mark, um Commissioner Robinson, did you have any questions? Okay. All right. So, um are we ready to vote on this item number eight? Do I have a motion? So move. Second. Okay. Just first reading, correct? Yes. Yes. It wouldn't come back till June 9th.

Yes. That's the earliest it could come back. Um depending on if we get any feedback between then and now, it could be an a meeting after that. All right. So, it is um been moved by Commissioner Bernett and seconded by uh Commissioner Robinson. We're going to go for the vote. And we have uh six um say yes and one no. And it passes. So the next item is consider an act upon ordinance 1725 for the first publication authorizing the execution and delivery of a loan and subsidy agreement in the amount of three million. Is that 3 million? Yes. 3,83 uh455 between the city of Elmagoro and New Mexico Finance Authority. Um Evelyn Huff, finance director is not here. So, um you got me. I sent you an email earlier. I apologize for not sending that out to show you what the area was. Um back in September, we the commission approved us to apply for this. We really weren't sure that we would get it. Um and we did the the waterboard trust approved it. So we have a match on this. The um loan about be about 3 million. Um the match is about 462. The money will be coming from fund 69. The balance in that is over 2

million. Um so we have the funding for this. This is a a really a pretty decent deal for us. Um the area for the record is the Granada Hill areas which includes Los Robas, Delpra, Serrano, Elorado, Granada, a portion of 18th Street, Lac Cresta and Stone Clift. And then I had printed a little map for the commission and I apologize my coloring wasn't the best, but just so you can see where where the area was. I did I did get it and I I do have them the memo here that I printed out. Are there any questions on item number nine?

Can I ask what the loan would cover scope-wise? So the loan covers the it's a WSRP 007. So it covers both the water infra the water infrastructure and the roads. So, a total redo of all water lines and roads on those streets. Yes. Similar to Oregon. Thank you. Quick question. Will it incorporate any work with the newer subdivision that's going in up there on off of 18th Street? Will it incorporate I'm sorry, any work? Yeah. Will it have anything to do with any of that new subdivision that's going in up

off of 18th Street? Um, that's a good question. I don't I think it goes straight up to that area if I remember correctly. Do you know Shellyley you were talking about? Is that um the developer? I'm sorry. White Sandance White Sands Construction. Um I'm not sure if it incorporates any of that area. So, okay. If they're putting in new Well, they'll probably they'll probably put in their infrastructure and then it'll tie into the existing tie on 18th. Tie in at 18th Street. Okay.

And I think that um I don't know about anybody else, but um I have been uh receiving calls uh from um people who are uh talking about the roads and their condition on Los Robas, Delpra, El Dorado. No shortage of bad roads in Alagoro. So, well, this is just like um the calls have been coming in in the last couple of months and unrelated but related. We are working on WSRP 002, which is the Alaska area and all that. So, we'll have both of those probably going on around the same time.

And just for the record, I do a lot of work for Whit Sands Construction. Um, it is the development company and not the construction company. But does anybody have a problem with me voting on this loan agreement? Just for the record, being transparent. So, I think one or the other has. All right. Do we um have a motion? Do we have a second? I'll second.

That's been moved by uh Commissioner Tapley and second by Commissioner uh Patello. Uh we're going to put it up for the vote. and it passes 70. Item number 10 uh is uh discussion and direction regarding the final allocation of remaining uh leader funding. Uh Stephanie Hernandez, acting city manager. So, a while back, um, I said I would bring this when I had all the quotes and information. As you recall, last year we had an application. I turned away a whole bunch of applications because I was assuming the commission was going to award the funding. Um, when that application was pulled, um, reaching back out, we were accepting applications again. Um, so I just I didn't review them. I didn't analyze them. I didn't really look at them. I just did a little quick summary. And I can't even say I actually did. I had someone do it for me um of the applications and then there are also some um quotes in there for demo for La Placita and then for the Oregon school. And really this is just a what would you all like to do is it um how much is in the fund? 1.7 1.9

it's about 900,000 but um it will probably be back to a million. Um we need to do some corrections in that fund. Um take out the assistant city manager myself is part of my salary was taken from that. We should have removed that. So that'll take some of that salary put it back in there. Um so it'll be up to about 900 uh close to a million. Okay. And I I have reviewed the six um applications that were placed um on the uh agenda tonight and u I just wondered does anybody else have any comments? Is there a deadline when these leader funds have to be expended? No sir.

Okay. So, do we have any idea what um the commission would like to put forth as ideas on how the money should be spent? I see a couple of people in the audience tonight. So, these leader requests kind of all over the place. We got what? 1.3 542 100,000. We only have about 900 to a million. Yes, sir.

I would make a motion that we table this item. Second that motion. Um, but I have a quick question. Um, do you have the dates that these I don't know if they're on here. Hold on. That they came in. Um, I I don't have it on there and I'm not 100% sure if it's on the applications itself. Okay. I just loaded them in there. Um, I don't know. Okay. I'll second his motion to table. Okay. Are we in agreement with that? Everybody in agreement? There's a vote on it. There's motion.

All right. So, it's been motioned by um Commissioner Patello and second by uh Mayor Pro Tim Rearen that we um table um the vote until or this decision. Just table the item table item until when? I think just I just need additional information. I kind of want to see when they came in uh that kind of Can you say that again? I'm sorry I couldn't hear you. Just wanted additional information kind of like when they came in. um you know the dates and times, who was first, who was second, that kind of stuff. There is quite a few of these.

Okay. So, we're gonna um vote or do we need to vote? You have to It's just for discussion. Yeah. Vote to discussion and direction. Yeah. That's right. So, we just need to give you directions. Then we're going to table it till we get further information. Yes. So, just information on the applications itself. Yeah. Like I say, there's what? One, two, three, six, five, six, plus the four for the city. Yeah. The two on the bottom for the demolition. I don't think

I don't really feel we should be using economic development money for demoing city properties. I thought it was personally.

Didn't you did you ask? So I I I guess the first question or the first question to answer is there's three possible um uses for this funding lita applications. Um you could use it for notorium as part of the contingency fund or you can use it for demo. Um that was passed in the resolution or in the ordinance on referendum. Um, I guess that's a decision that you that's the first decision you need to make and then after that and this can this of course doesn't have to be made tonight but when this does come back I guess that would be the questions that need to be asked. So it's start with the referendum for the niatorum

the use of funds. Okay. How you want to use the funds and then and then I'll get you the additional information and then you can decide. Will that be at the next meeting? I that that if that's the only information that's requested, that's a simple um that's simple. So it could be at the next one. So dates when it came in, that was it. Dates and time. Is that the only thing? All right. Thank you.

Then like a breakdown that just shows the amount they're requesting instead of having to read through them. I did on the on the very first page. They're on here. Yeah. I didn't see it on the agenda report itself. Oh, okay. Yeah, let me get to that page. The next Is there a motion second on the floor? Yeah, it's not. It's just for discussion though. I have to resend my second. He rescends his motion.

Number 11 is appointments to boards and committees. And that's by me. And so, um, we have one for the airport, um, zoning board, and it's one upcoming vacancy for an applicant who lives in the city due to an expiring term of Billy Tucker on May 28th, 2026. A new application by Billy Tucker has been received. If reappointed, this would be his second term on the board. Are there any objections to appointing um Billy Tucker to the airport zoning board? If not, then um Billy Tucker is reappointed. Um there is one current vacancy for the uh for a county appointed um representatives for the Almagora Public Library Board. There are no currencies. There are no current vacancies for park and recreation board. um the senior volunteer program advisory council, five current vacancies for applicants who live uh within the city limits and for the airport advisory board, there are no current um vacancies. So I think that um sums that up. Next on the agenda, it's a motion to recess into executive close session pursuant a new NMSA1 1978 1015-1 H2 for the purpose of discussing limited personnel matters hiring of the city manager.

Got a quick question. City clerk, could we put on the record who called the exec session again, please? Um, yes. So, I was asked to put it on by the city manager because she got uh feedback from the commission that they wanted a I got feedback from Daryl and Evelyn that the commission wanted it. Um I wasn't sure, so I asked Rachel better to have it if you need it or you can table it if you don't.

And then what will we actually be discussing tonight in that executive session? Um, it's the hiring of the city manager. Beyond that, I I don't know what to answer because I don't know. I just for the advice of our legal counsel, we were told till everything's settled not to do anything with the hiring of the manager. So, that's why I was a little puzzled when it came on. So, when I seen it. So, and then do we actually need to recess or do we just need to adjourn if we do end up going back to discuss anything?

Like I said, that's your decision. I had just been told through the grapevine and I wasn't sure who to ask. So, we put it on there just in case and then we put it on to reconvene. If you don't want to, that's a commission decision. Well, I just want to make sure we're not violating the Open Meetings Act by discussing something that's not Well, I I had been informed that there were two um two of the commissioners that had or the mayor prom and the commissioner had uh sent word to u legal. So, uh it was to discuss a personnel matter. Sent legal. What did I send? Sorry. Um Brian Nichols who I had just called for an update. That was it. Well,

I didn't I didn't ask what it was about, but uh we were meeting in regards to uh the most uh updated information that I had received from um uh Attorney Isacson. Are Lynn and and Brian going to be Yes, they are. They're your own. The The problem I have with it is it's it's published as hiring the city manager instead of uh pending threatened and pending litigation. Um, I I think it should be limited personnel matters and we can change that because when I saw it, that's what I was looking at, too. We can't tonight. It would have to be Okay.

We would have to call a special meeting and have it published correctly. But if we're going to be talking with the two attorneys, it really needs to be threatened and pending litigation so we don't have a open meetings violation. I just wanted to bring it up because I was a little puzzled when it said hiring of the manager on there. So, Well, I don't know how the rest of the commission if we're not going to be doing that, then we can um actually just move to and uh I need to contact the um the two um legal people uh to let them know because they are waiting. Okay. If they have an update for us, I'm not against getting the update, but we just need to make sure we're published correctly. So, we're not

Exactly. I agree with you. So at this time we are um we'll have to make a motion on this and and then it'll either pass or fail and then and then adjourn. So well I want to make sure that we um also contact our

uh the two legal um people who are waiting. So, um, the motion to recess into executive, uh, close session pursuant to NMSA1 1978 1015-1H2 for the purpose of discussing limited personnel matters uh, hiring of a city manager. So, how do we um, how do you motion? If you want to table, if you want to table it, you have to make a motion to table it or you can ask for a vote and you can vote it down. Either one. Voted down. Do I have a motion? So moved. Second.

It has been u moved by Commissioner Tapley and second by um Commissioner Hernandez to Bernett. Bernett Bernett. Okay. Uh to table the um the motion. I would to table the motion. Yes. Is the motion to table or the motion to recess? To vote on it. Just a motion to recess. Okay. Then we can vote no or however we want. So just for clarification, are you going to executive session or not? We're voting to go to or not go to whether to go or not. Yes. So if they vote yes, they're going. If they vote no, they're not going. Correct.

Yes. Okay. Or we can make a motion to table it. If you make a motion to table it, you're making a motion to table this right. Yeah. So, we'll just vote on it.

Okay. So, you're you're making a motion table motion for we're voting not to go. Okay. Okay. So, in that case, um, you can make you can do your vote and if you're gonna you can just all vote no on going back there instead of tableabling it if that's what you wish to do. Yes. Okay. So, who's I or I second it. Mark made the motion. Commissioner Bernett, the motion in the second. And the motion was for to go into recess

to recess into it. But if we vote no, then it kills it. So And the motion fails 7 to zero. Uh do I have a a motion to adjurnn? Move to adjurnn. Second. Second.

So, it's been moved uh by uh Commissioner Robinson and second by Commissioner Hernandez to adjurnn. We got a vote. We We still have to vote. Yes. Oh, we got it up here. Good job. And the vote passes 70. Good job.