Parks, Trails, and Recreation Committee - Regular Meeting

this time because the recording system doesn't work so we're ready to go we don't have it on the agenda item but i assume in the uh committee staff reports you'll give us like trail updates and everything yeah or just if you have any questions i mean i do give them in the email that i sent out yeah okay um are we ready to go you can record it okay we're at the uh wednesday september 2nd 2026 meeting of the parks river city parks trails record committee in the uh conference room adjacent to city halls council change We have the roles, we don't have to go through the attendance. Welcome everybody. First item of business, the approval of minutes. Do we have any edits or corrections? That was from May 6th, so I think we're good. I move that we approve them then. Seconded. And all in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

stewardship proposal so this is just a an idea of where we as a committee can encourage stewardship not just in the community but get us involved get us out on the trail get us interacting with the community have it as an opportunity to guide and encourage stewardship, but as well as it gives us eyes on the lands that we're responsible for advising the city on. As we go through, I got a couple pictures, and just for fun, anybody know where that is? Might take a minute. It's in Draper? It's in Draper, yeah.

Is that Kennecott in the back?

Yeah, there's Kennecott's and Cloud's over here. There's kind of...

I think I see the lower road down below, right?

That's the new road that goes down to the course bridge. There's the bridge. This is Ocala. Yeah, this is a project that Rick and I did a few years ago to shore up that really sandy section. Yeah. Kind of around that corner. So this is the PST? PST. PST. Golf course, gave it away. Yep. Yeah, that was a fun project. It actually held up really well. We worked in the winter, and I was out there just a couple days ago. It's held up pretty well. That's a tough area. It's a tough area.

It's hard to get it to season. And once you get it packed in and seasoned, you don't want to disrupt it because it just churns it all up and makes it soft again.

Good drains and buried sandbags. Yeah. All right, so the vision and strategy that I'd like to propose is high level we want to educate and involve the community and not just an occasional project here and there but have things scheduled out year round so you know that one of the best definitions of culture that I've ever heard is what we do repeatedly so if we want to really make an impact having a culture of trail stewardship is probably a good objective and goal for us So very simple high level proposal would be we do at least two volunteer projects per quarter. We can lead these. I've passed all the background checks. Really, it's just a matter of going out with Rick and Greg's team just to get tuned up on whatever it is that they want us to focus our volunteer groups with and then pass the background checks. So any of us can participate. The barrier to entry is not high. I asked about costs associated with it. It's not a super high cost. So a couple volunteer projects per quarter. One, at least one education activity per quarter. A lot of ideas have been thrown around as I've worked with Greg and Rick about education. Trail Courtesy is one. I've got a place where maybe I'd like to propose where we could make an impact there. Another is just doing track walks with Steve and Kevin. Geez, I'm having brain, name brain problems or other... our downhill trail stewards. I mean, James, thank you, Steve and James. Doing a track walk with them and have them talk with community members as well as us on what sustainable downhill trail building looks like. You know, why we put filters in, why we do lips the way we do lips, and why they're different in our area than maybe they might be in other places. And the idea is that in each one of these education activities, we're enlightening our community on what it takes to have a really good functioning trail network. There are other opportunities, too, and we don't have to staff the education stuff. With a little bit of creativity, for instance, Dr. Kay Karen, I can't remember her last name, at the University of Utah, has a Facebook page on geomorphology rules. She is amazing. She actually came out and did a report on the landslide, geomorphic features that make things problematic that Edge Homes found out. And we, building trail, we also find out because the soil is a little bit different than what we might expect in the canyon. So on education activities, it wouldn't necessarily have to be one of us. We could enlist other people. There are lots of other folks in the community that are really engaged in this type of work that we could probably bring in to help out. The other thing that's cool about that is it gives us something fun to talk about, too. I mean, monthly, you know, we can talk with each other about the activity that we did. What did we learn from it? What impact did we make to the community? What do we feel like the impact was to the individuals who participated in the activities? So that would be the proposal in terms of the higher level vision. The why is to educate and involve. The what would be a couple volunteer projects per quarter. I know this is possible because this is typically what I do with Greg and Rick. So I mean, it's definitely possible. We can get groups of people at least at that frequency. One plus education per quarter and then we report out at every meeting. Scheduling, we know from history that these things work best on Tuesday and Thursday evenings. Not exclusive. I've had groups out on Saturdays especially as the the daylight hours wane but it's stuff that we can work out together as a group you know who was available what time do we have available when do we feel like we want to do it but historically we would say tuesdays and thursday evenings were probably our best bet can i ask you a question sure yeah like i'm thinking like the mountain bike teams and stuff would love to like they are always like looking for what are you guys doing a trail day we want to do our hours or and i get that from other

Because I'm not really involved in corner anymore. But I get it from, and I'm not on the board anymore. But obviously that would be good to get some of those volunteers to come out because they're required to do hours. But in the summer, getting them to do it Tuesday or Thursday evening is not a big deal. Daylight after school. But doing this every quarter, are we going to be able to, is that... feasible in the winter when it's dark six o'clock it it can be it can be it may just wonder yeah there may be even for adults who want to volunteer um maybe we i don't know is that too ambitious do we do the spring, the summer, and the fall, take off the winter. I don't know.

Or Saturday. Winter is so fun. It is so fun to dig in the wintertime. I mean, it is. No, it's one of my favorite times in the world.

I'm just saying Tuesday through the evening, but I think you're going to have to be a little bit more flexible in the winter because you're, you know, the daylight savings. Yeah. That's just my own thought. Yeah, that makes sense. I was thinking those high schoolers would love to do it. I'm trying to think when they start. They start in May, I think. And then so this year.

But also Greg's team has scheduled hours with Corner Canyon already. So Greg's team covers Corner Canyon almost completely.

I used to take a lot of those groups.

That's what we're hoping that this is going to bring out is more people from the community that don't have to do the hours. So, we have a lot of people that cover the high school.

And a lot of those are during the day. The corporate. Because they basically, they'll do a lunch midday.

So, we still have our non-profit for Alta and Corner Canyon, both teams. We started back when we started the league. And I am the head of that non-profit. So, all the stuff comes to my house. And I'm getting all these checks. And it's eBay, and it's Adobe. They'll pay $10,000. I think it's the Adobe people, for them to sit on our board. They'll pay 10 grand per person. And they have matching funds, so when they go out and do stuff, even if we can communicate with them, that's an opportunity for them to come out. And those are two big corporations with deep pockets that have historically been very good to support the teams.

Yeah, and if we can get people on Fridays, that's great. I had a group through my company and some of our local customers out on the disc golf course for four hours on a Friday. So, I mean, I think, yeah, I think depending on where that is. Yeah, we might need a little bit of flexibility on what that is. But, yeah, I think, yeah, the Adobe's, the eBay, the Aquarium. The Aquarium has been a pretty consistent volunteer. R.E.I. I think was in the past. Shields has done it. I'm trying to think who else.

Even some of the ultra marathons usually require a volunteer.

Yeah, John's. He calls them the Hundo Club. That's where a lot of the data on Tuesday and Thursday.

It's carried.

Okay. I don't remember who you said it was. Yeah, so I think that, like you said, the people who are doing these events that need the hours, there's plenty of places for them to plug in.

Yeah, and Alta, Sean, Coach Sean is now certified as volunteer coordinator. Oh, cool. So he is probably, Alta's been one of the most consistent volunteer groups from NICA other than Corner Canyon recently. Yeah, they should participate as much as Corner Canyon.

I think they should.

and Sky Ridge, all those, we need to try to get them more involved.

But we should encourage them. Like Long Peak and American Fork use the trails. Sky Ridge too.

Sky Ridge is big. They should. In fact, we talked about that years ago, about charging to use the canyon and stuff, and I don't know where that's at. People have talked about doing a... sticker or whatever, you know, or a permit. But, you know, even if you do in-kind type donations where they come and they do trail work, we can offset some of their, you know, if it ever came to that. I don't know where the council's at.

I think the council, at least for me, I think we'd be in favor of doing some type of assessment with these mountain biking teams at least.

It doesn't have to be super, but then maybe it's this much with the understanding that you're going to do volunteer work that brings it down to a really reasonable amount. It doesn't have to be very much. And with that, we expect...

I mean, there's an assessment going through the rules of the trail.

and then some volunteer and some stuff like that. I mean, you look at the football and all that. They have to pay an assessment to use the fields and things, and I think it's only... I do know that because the county is involved in it, it's an under-easement. I know that can be a little bit sticky for us to be like, okay, we're charging everybody, you know.

But if they're from Utah County, they didn't pay any taxes.

Yeah, that's a good point.

So when you get a discounted fee... What would be really cool... is that, sure, we take into consideration the mountain bike teams. They're one of the biggest user groups in the area. There are a lot of opportunities for those folks to plug in, and they're motivated, they ask for it because they have to put in the volunteer hours. There are a lot of people in the community that would love to participate that don't even ride bikes. So you see it on the Facebook forums. So they're always asking, when can I help? What are you working on? How do I plug in? So, I mean, it There are a lot of mechanisms for the bike clubs to plug in. Perhaps this could be one, you know, that they, this would be a place that if they don't, if they don't have something coordinated with Rick and Greg already, then, Hey, this is it. This is, we've got an event scheduled through the parks and trails committee. Come join that. That might be a good mechanism. My only concern would be that if we bill it strictly from the mountain bike clubs, we may miss some opportunities for the broader club.

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that they're a great resource. That's a large club.

I don't think so.

I think you just like this.

I want them out.

Oh, I thought you were going this.

I just want them gone.

Cool. I thought you were doing this.

We can come back to this.

Jason, I've got a question.

Are you I'm not sure I really understand

the concept here. This is just something that the committee is gonna do, that you want the committee to do in addition to what volunteer opportunities the city's already putting together? Or why can't we just have our input be aligned with what the city's thoughts or opportunities are.

That's what we're aligning. This whole proposal had both Rhett and Greg's blessing on it. So this would be that we're helping.

So Jason's already met with Rick and Greg on this.

So what we do and whatever we do through this proposal would align with activities through It is. Yep. And that's the other part. I'm already... And that's what I wanted to make sure. I mean, are we talking in addition to what's already happening or just complementing? Complementing, adding more visibility to it, getting us involved in it so we can pull in our network of people that, you know, and friends from the community. So we're enhancing what's already in place. Is it still going to be run by the city staff?

The proposal that we're, well, let's talk a little bit more about the one. I'm just wondering, are you going to say, okay, well, Doug, you've got three events. You've got a lead this year. Jamie, you have three. No, that's fine. I'm sorry, but I'm busy. I agree. I would love to come and do one. That's where I was going.

I don't want this to be our response to that. Let's move into the presentation a little bit. Maybe we can talk a little bit about the how. So what I showed was... Vision strategy, the why. Why do we want to do it? Because we want to encourage more trail stewardship in the community. We have the right people in this committee to encourage that. So high level vision, that's what we just talked about. In terms of the strategy and the actual how we do it, that's kind of up to us. Let's just say falls are first, assuming we approve this plan. Each season would have a theme. Fall is like, I don't know if you've noticed, but the ground's softening up. It's a great time to do tread work. John's trail runner groups have dug drains a lot of places. I saw some of them. It's a good time to do that work. It's also getting cooler, and there's a lot of fun that you can have out on the trail doing trail work. So proposal would be, have a track walk with Steve and James. They leave it. Steve and James, Steve's already said, hey, I'd be more than happy to do it. We would obviously have to try and help promote that.

They essentially just did that like two weeks ago.

Did they? Yes. Like did they have a, did they kind of teach, was it a teaching track walk?

And they made forms, I don't know, right? metal ramps to teach people how to build jumps with the right... Oh, yeah, I've seen their templates. Yeah. I've seen their templates. And so basically, yeah, they're teaching people how to build the jumps, but at the same time, they're actually building them. Yeah, I... So, yeah, it is an educational...

It's an educational dig day. It would... Not a dig day. This would be purely an educational event. Okay. Well, just a proposal. We don't have to go with it. Steve thought. Steve thought, yeah. Steve thought, yeah, we bring the community out and just go talk.

It sounds like they did something, but who was invited? I mean, who knew about it?

Everybody that's on Facebook knew about it.

Okay.

So I was out on that day with them. I was there. And it was 100% a big thing. And Steve's argument is that when it's 100% a big day, he doesn't get a lot of opportunity to talk with people about it. Steve is not like, when I take a volunteer group out, I was an infantryman. So I know how to work with groups of people. If I have a small group, it's a squad. If I have a large group, it's a platoon. It's easy for me to do that. It's not easy for Steve. If you have a group and Steve's focused on education, Steve can talk through a lot of things. He's got a lot of information, a lot of knowledge that he can share with the community. If he's trying to organize people and do that, he told us that that is a really hard thing for him to do. So this proposal is based on what Steve had to offer, not me. So that's how Steve felt he could help with the education. Does he feel right?

If they try these things and have a dud, I think no. It's okay. Yeah, it's okay.

I've had volunteer groups where one person showed up and that's like five, six, seven, eight hours that our trail crews didn't have to do. It's fine. If we have a low turnout, it's okay.

Do you work for the city?

What's that? Do you work for the city? Sometimes I feel like I do. I'm on the Historic Preservation Commission. I'm on this. No, but you're not an employee. I am not an employee. I've got... about maybe three, 400 hours worth of trail work with Rick and Greg's crew that I'm not getting paid a dollar for.

So I'm 100% a volunteer. So maybe what Steve would like to do is think about, the more people we educate in the community, is better when we do the dig days yeah and and i don't have to babysit and oversee like i used to way back in the day before we ever had the sueco and the mini x like we would go out on and myself and and uh ken mordock and several others like you've been on those and Lots of our friends would go, and you'd spend so much time trying to tell them how to do stuff and what your goal is, and you did it all by hand, and you're using Pulaski's and McLeod's. I understand what he's saying. When you're trying to manage all those people, it's hard to teach them and do the work at the same time. So maybe what he's thinking is he can help them gain some knowledge.

in addition to that also he gets a lot of people that will go and ruin filters and things that they don't like so his hope is that by educating the community and like hey if I build a filter here and you can't hit the filter then that is an indicator that this trail is not for you so also there's some things that he would like the community to understand about how they build the trail so they don't go in and kind of do their own thing and wreck stuff and that's the part I'm

a little bit worried about is by teaching them how to build jumps, that's gonna give some people the idea that they can go build jumps.

They're gonna do it anyway.

No.

They're already doing it up on- Not on city property, they're not gonna do it. Yeah, they will.

Well, I would hope that in these trainings, it's emphasized in the training that, hey, you don't go out and do this, but we have these big days coming up.

So back to the stewardship idea. So these are just ideas that encourage stewardship by educating the community to understand what the trail crews do, why they do it, and how they can be good users of the trail network. So the break bump and dig drape, up there because I'm probably already going to be out doing that. But anybody could, you know, say, I'm going to take an afternoon or an evening, no requirement. I think Geneva, you've offered at least...

I'm not making up trash anyway. I might as well pick a group of people.

Yeah, so no stress on the community or on the committee, but if we... guide and promote these, then we're starting to work towards a culture of stewardship. If we just do these one at a time, if we don't promote them, if we don't capture them, if the comms team doesn't come out and take pictures and post them on the web, then we're kind of losing that ability to kind of turn just an event into something that's a little bit more cultural. So yeah, the fall theme could be around softer soil conditions. And getting ready for winter. You know, there are a lot of trees that are falling over the trail that need to be cleared. Personal fall is going to bring a lot of this down. So that would be maybe a fall, potential fall theme. Oops. Winter. Okay, so where, anybody know where this trail is?

It looks like a dozen trails that... Can you follow? No, it is one of the backstretches of Telegraph.

Oh. It's that, that one section that goes through the Maples, um, before kind of, I don't know, words aren't going to describe it, but it's, it's, uh, it's Telegraph. It's the one Brad laid out that's so dang good.

I've been on it for a long time. Yeah, it's good.

Okay. So winter, uh, winter is honestly a fun time to work. I've, I've done tree planning. Um, we, this, this was actually a winter project. This is one of my friend's kids. This kid was out on the project you were talking about that Steve was leading and he's now six foot two, 17, 18 years old. But myrtle spurge is a good time, winter time. If we don't have a lot of snow cover, it's a great time to pull that because we don't have any flowers or things that disrupting the plant will cause problems later in the season. Education activity, erosion, that could be a great time to bring in somebody like Dr. K as a community event. Like, hey, let's talk about geomorphic features. Let's talk about erosion. Let's talk about how land forms as well as wildlife and user groups impact the shape of the terrain around us. What causes erosion? corrosion nucleation point and why can that be problematic and why do you have to go out and dig drains and mitigate? So things like that could be a good opportunity to have that type of education because we can actually go see a lot of those things happening kind of in real time.

I mean even just to recognize what the planet is we're talking about. I don't know what Rosebridge looks like other than a picture of it.

Yeah, so where do you think that is? You can kind of get a hint from the... It's between Rattler and the Corner Canyon Road. Actually, Ghost. Yeah, it's down below Ghost. So Rattler, Ghost, Corner Canyon Road. This one was a fun one because the comms team promoted this activity. So it went out through all the Facebook channels.

RDI used to sponsor Purge the Spurge.

Yeah, we had, I think, 40 people. I think there were two Parks and Trails Committee people that showed up to that event. So it was early winter, but yeah, I mean, it was a pretty well attended activity. So in terms of schedule, I think it'd be smart to think about scheduling kind of in a season to season. So let's lock down fall now, talk about winter when winter comes. And that way, you know, people have free time on Saturdays and we feel like we can get a draw of people. Or I can, you know, I have the ability and relatively flexible with my employment. I'm a remote employee except when I'm traveling. So there could be opportunities to take Fridays off with corporate groups and stuff like that. And winter time, especially if people are trying to burn up their volunteer hours. I get 20 paid volunteer hours every year, so I'll probably have some of my work colleagues, I've got six of them here in the valley, that will want to do that. They'll want to burn up some of their hours and will probably spend some time on the trails doing it. So wintertime can be a good opportunity to pull some of that corporate sponsorship into. And then spring, you know, spring's a lot like fall. This might be harder to figure out where that is. Brad, you might have a better idea.

Is that the jungle trail?

What's that? It's in a gully.

Oh, it's not the jungle trail?

And it's one of our most problematic gullies for erosion, South Maple Hollow. Yeah, this was the season that Rick wanted to try the beaver dam analogs to try and control some of the erosion in that gully. Mm-hmm. that the big problem that we had with drainage from Suncrest completely wiped out everything that we did. So this was fun. It was a fun activity. These are folks from the aquarium. But yeah, it didn't have long lasting effect. So another, John brought this up. There may be some people in our community that would be willing to do like wildlife or a wildflower walk or something like that. I think we used to have somebody on staff

We had John from the community.

John, what was his last name?

John Reynolds. That's it, yeah. Yeah, he was on the committee.

Yeah, he was on the committee. He was big into that stuff. In fact, he put a lot of signs and pictures and stuff up there. Oh, is that him? Oh, this is this kind of hawk or this kind of bird or this kind of fox or whatever.

He'd just make them himself and laminate them and go put them out and get all the sticks.

But he was also really good about, like, where the migration, you know, because we've got some elk and different things for the wildlife that... He was really knowledgeable about it.

Yeah, he'd do even a eating tour or whatever. So we'd go along and say, okay, this is how you eat. Oh, yeah. Different plants. Don't eat that. Don't eat this, but this you can eat. That's amazing. Yeah, it was really interesting. If you Google vertebrates, you'll be able to see what it is. Yeah. As soon as you see it. I see it all the time.

Oh, I see it all the time. Yeah. It's mostly in the northern and northeast corner, where all the sandy stuff.

Sandy, rocky, slippery.

uh the um east bench and you're going from there over to you know the five-way intersection like there's a bunch there there's there's stuff on the sides as you go up like uh rattler it's it's pretty pretty it's it's bright yellow so you know yeah you want to touch it bare hands yeah it's kind of greenish it kind of has a glossy lee um succulent yeah people used to think that was really cool and put it in their ear yeah

do it here st. George really my father yeah in Mill Creek Canyon if you want to see a real problem that we don't want our Canyon to look like the mouth of Mill Creek Canyon they have to bring it herbicide on it yeah and what it does I think it has some kind of where it gets ready to it kind of bursts and when it does it

It spreads it, and that's how it goes. It's very invasive.

It is pretty, but it's very invasive.

And when they do the real spurs, I think, depending on the season, don't they have to, like, glove up? Certain times you don't touch it, and then other times you can touch it, but you've got to glove.

The times you don't touch it is... You can inhale the... Oh, really? Yeah.

Yeah, there are a lot of plants that are really sick from...

And not all of them are native. Some of them are. But that would be kind of a fun thing to do.

You mean the viruses at the three-way are native?

Now, we do put native seed on, but I've always questioned how native the native seed is.

It's native to the United States. Native seed.

So one of the things Geneva brought up is how do you tell the difference between a shortcut and a game trail? And that could be an interesting conversation around erosion too. Every year, especially now that there are a lot of skidders that are sprouting up off of Draper Ridge, People are cutting into Draper Trails property. So there's just like every year, there are trail crews out shutting trails down. It was the first project I worked on with Rick was shutting down trails in the springtime. So you could probably tie an education activity to even some work there. So how do I identify what a game trail is versus a shortcut? and take some time to close off shortcuts, too.

Well, people need to be educated on shortcuts. It's not good for your normal trail. People don't realize it, but it puts the water where it's not supposed to be for a normal trail. And then you cause damage to the legal trail because you're cutting through. The one good thing about Ghost is there's a ton of freaking poison oak and ivy up there. That's crazy. I learned this the hard way just doing work up there. I would cut through, just walk straight rather than going all the way out. And then I just got the most horrendous case of poison ivy. I'm like, okay, well, this will at least keep people from cutting through. It was horrible.

It keeps them not to do it a second time.

Yeah, exactly. All right, so summertime. You'd think that we don't work in the summer, but we do. I think this was Jordan's team. Any idea? It's Woods Hollow. Utah County side. Yeah, it's on the Utah County side. Is that right? What's the return trail from the downhill? Woods. Woods, OK. Yeah. Yeah, this was a good crew. handle a lot of exposed rock and rebuild a bunch of stuff there, pretty cool. John's crews work a lot in the summer evening hours, just works out great. So timing, we can always find time to do stuff. Education activity, kind of going to what Fred's emailed everybody when. So in historic preservation, we are heavily involved in Draper Days. We do historic home walks. The whole week, somebody's involved in something. And I understand what all the mechanisms are in terms of getting in, whether we wanted to have a booth at Draper Days. I understand all the ins and outs of it. I've worked with David. There are a lot of things that we could do fairly easy if we wanted to tie some trail activity into Draper Days. I understand in the past we've had, and also Corner Canyons Trails Foundation also has been involved in Draper Days. We've had trail courtesy things. We've had a lot of stuff. That could be a great opportunity to bring in, you know, whether we could find some money for it or do some donation in kind, bring some coaches in, do some basic skill clinics. And along with that, if you show up, you get a trail courtesy lesson as well. So I think in a lot of cases, in my personal experience, Fred, your example, the person who shared that with you, haven't been hit. I've been hit by a lot of bikes. And I've also sent bikes spilling into the goalie, unfortunately. There are just some people who don't get how dangerous it is when you don't follow a trail courtesy. We're not going to fix the people who don't care. There's absolutely no way that we're going to fix that. But what we can fix is a lot of the people who are brand new to the sport, or just barely being learning about etiquette. They're the same ones that you have to kind of snap or whistle to get them to look up to see that you're there. Those are the folks there, that's our audience. And I think that accounts for a large number of people that may not have a really strong trail courtesy ethic, but they're trainable, they're coachable, they're teachable, and we could do that in a forum like Draper Days. It's captive, we could probably do some pretty cool things there.

I wonder, too, if maybe we need to have our communications, like Linda or something, put together some things that we release out.

Well, and Greg manages the trails and open space one for the city. And usually what he posts, then Linda will post it.

Yeah, we did a good one. What was it, two years ago on trailer? That could resurface too. It's hard to fix stupid. It is, but there are a lot of people who just don't know.

I think that would be a good vehicle for helping those folks. One of the things is it should be that we saw that two years ago. We should see that every year. There should be something in the spring. We should put that every single year. There should be that trailheading thing. for everybody to see in the Draper Journal or whatever that we're sending out. Or we can do it on all our Instagram, Facebook, whatever, all our social media. That needs to be an every year thing. And maybe two or three times in the spring as more people say, oh, the weather is breaking. I'm going to go. Let me check out and see if the trailer, whatever. But I just think that we need to hit that more often. I agree. Because I think that people are – They're ignorant of the facts. They're not stupid. They're ignorant of the facts and they don't understand what they're supposed to do.

We gave out some bike bells a couple years ago too.

Yeah, I think that if we had water bottles with a trail courtesy triangle.

Just so you know, we bought those. You can buy them from China. They're freaking so cheap and you can buy thousands of them. We got a bunch of those in and gave them out.

Yeah, Draper Days, we were giving out Draper City hats. Why not? Like, hey, sign a promise to be a good trail steward and a courteous trail user. Here's your water bottle. Make it a contract with folks. A lot of things we could do. Draper Days is great.

I'd love to see, if we move forward on this, I'd love to see emails go out. with the schedule for the upcoming quarter, only because I'm keeping to myself mostly. I don't know when half these things are happening because I'm not on social media.

So do you sign up to receive the communications from the city?

I get all of them, all the emails. So I don't know how to get text messages unless it's an emergency.

You can sign up to also get a text with all the activities.

Email's great. As long as it's coming in that form. Otherwise, I will sign up for whatever it is.

So you're just saying not just social media, but also.

Social media, but also through the other, whether it's in the mailed out.

I don't know how buggy you want to be to people. I know we have people's info, but do we want to bombard? We don't want to do too much of that with the general public, but it would be nice to be able to send some.

Well, I think every, about every week, like I got one yesterday. draper city upcoming draper events and you then you click the link it just needs to be in that list it's a tax that i get every month every week so like in the spring maybe we can attach like trail adequate and that video and stuff like that and send that out to everybody or just get it yeah they don't have to you know or and then i also put it on our page with the events if you go into it so if you click on this it goes to our web page talks about the farmers market

the river festival so we just need to place those different events in here anyway next steps yeah publish the schedule and and brad i think we need a little bit of kind of an understanding from linda and her team on what is possible in terms of communication as well as possibly coming out to a well staffed Oh, that is, well, guess. We're building the Gabion Bridge. This is the first time I met you, Brad.

Oh, the one that's going to be going away.

Yeah, it's kind of. Is that the one up by the Red Rock then? I think it's the VST. It's on VST. It's on ends. It's after, about a mile or so after the bridge. Oh. At Potato Hill East. So it's a few switchbacks in past that. It's that one gully that you're talking through the tunnel. It's been a long time. Past the tunnel on it. So on the Cora Canyon side. Oh, yes. I know what you're talking about. Not on the steepness.

The one that has the two big pipes in it right now? Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. What are we doing to fix that?

No, we're not. There's not an issue there.

Oh, I thought you said you were tearing it out.

I was thinking this was the BST by Red Rock.

The Gabion Bridge works. So that's just a bunch of rocks piled in and chicken wire, essentially. And it's holding up. I mean, structurally it works. It didn't divert the water back into the drain pipes the way we told. But it's holding up.

Are you talking about the bridge that's right next to the rock climbing?

Like just to the east? Yeah, the one that keeps on eroding. So we do have a project that will be starting next week, maybe two weeks. had a grant to pay for half of that from the state.

The old one, my son took a header. He came around the corner and went off the side of the bridge before we had that really deep little storms that dove the trench down about five or six feet.

Yeah. We don't have any flash floods. Every 100 years, right?

Yeah, just every 100 days. Maybe 100 weeks.

You guys were talking about the etiquette signs that we've got out there. I was in Canada last week. That's their etiquette signs.

Oh, that's funny.

Instead of a horse, it's a bear. That's funny. What's that? Black bears. One was in North Vancouver, right in a neighborhood. We were like a quarter mile from the trailhead, and there's a city worker shooing this bear out of the neighborhood.

The problem is they get really uncomfortable, and they know that's a good food source, so they go through those stuff.

Yeah, anyway, that's kind of the proposal in a nutshell. I mean, obviously, we would have the say on who we want to staff. If we can't staff, then we know that we can only support the number of events that we can find people to wrangle volunteers for. Kind of a couple of the unknowns would be, you know, if we want to fill and document the work, that culture component, like making sure the community is aware that we're out doing this work so there is kind of a perpetual cycle of it. That's something we probably need to figure out for Linda and crew.

I think you, if you have comms, film it. And these kids, they love to post all the crap, all the stuff. video and it's going to spread the word quicker that way because you're gonna have these kids video and you know taking videos themselves and reposting and then that helps you know spread more information about it so you know I think that can't hurt You know, Demi Wimmer lives here, and she's a friend of ours. She biked with her, and so she's been good at KSL. We've talked to her about a couple of ideas, and she's got stories on her stuff. So even she would, that's good. She loves riding here, and KSL's good if you can get...

I may be talking with her on Friday. That maybe solves a mystery for me.

Oh, really?

Yeah, the article in Draper Forward about the Widowmaker, that was my article, and I got a note like, hey, somebody from the media wants to know that. Oh, really? Yeah. So she's local. Is she the only local KSL person?

We have the guy from FOX 13 that uses the bike park and then we also have KUTV that lives down, what's her name, Mary Nichols lives down in River Park.

She used to be in Park City and so she moved down here several years ago. downhill from the temple, right across the street from the temple in that neighborhood. It was called Something Green or something like that. Two of those in there.

All right, so the ask for us is to approve vision and strategy, the high-level approach. Also taking on the idea of using seasonal themes that we get guidance from Greg's team on. And confirm the fall dates, because that's the near-term thing that we'd have to do.

We can always decide on when in our next meeting. I like the concept. I think it might be a little overly ambitious. And I think because of that, it might stall... event per quarter?

The reason I chose two is I'm going to be out doing this two times a quarter. So at the very least, if nobody else wants to do anything, we don't need to. That is what I'd hope not to do. But the, the two, the two minimum is that if, if nobody else wants to do it, I will be doing those. So, and I've also, I would say that even one Even if we do one and one falls dead, it's still one that we didn't have before, and it's still one that's engaged with the community.

I think that was my thought originally, just as we see it. It's a little ambitious, but I love the concept. Don't get me wrong. And also, in part of this, I also think it makes sense to try to, we need to be tying in a number that people can call, that they can get, they can report trail damage, or they can or they can report that there's a sir wrong on the trail. Like part of this educational stuff needs to be going with what the rules are and what they can't do and what they can do. And I think that's something else that we need to be educating about. And it'd be nice to have like a hot, the hotline, here's the problem right now. If I call the city, it goes to central, what's it called? Dispatch. And they're like, okay, well give me your street address. Really? I'm in the canyon, right? I'm not going to be able to give you a street address. I'm on this trail right here. And by the time you spend 10 or 15 minutes trying to tell them where the heck you are, that person's long gone. There's nobody to get a hold of them. There needs to be a hotline number so they can call and get some people. Like the other day, I wish there was... Shit, it was on the... I was on the street one night. Had done the pickleball. It was 10.30 and I had to go to the RSL stadium to pick up my wife. And... I'm driving down the hill by where Kmart used to be from Pickleball, and I see two dudes on servos riding wheelies down the hill. Have you seen those guys? They do it on 132 constantly. Yeah, they're riding wheelies down the hill. And then there's another one I can see in the distance. And as I get down there to like where the 7-Eleven is, they come rolling up and there's an, I can see another cop just beyond that. And I'm like, why are none of these guys pulled down?

they went right by the first two same reason you have the cop at the school every morning so his lights on and sir on after sir on and dumber scooter after dumber scooter go flying past so here's a thought why don't we add that to the agenda for next time and

Back to this trail stewardship, are there any adjustments that we want to make? Can we make a vote on it?

Do you want to go back to what you were saying?

I was not trying to go on a tangent. I'm saying as part of our education, we need to add that to it. That's what I'm saying. educate then we need to probably have people need to be able to get a hold of us right there's something you want to tell us and and and i get off on the serve on because that's you know or whatever but and then and the equestrians walking on the trails that you guys spend all the fall smoothing and then they get out there and they pothole right like this is the kind of crap that needs to be reported and so that can be part of the education as we go through and educate these people and more people get to know about it. That's my point. Yeah, for sure.

As far as having this tied to a mechanism for feedback, I wonder if that might be a separate thing. Well, no, we have a separate thing. We won't be able to do that.

I mean, I think your education activity doesn't necessarily have to be

event per se it could be very with something that's online engaging people maybe it's a monthly outreach or in the chamber forum we have a parks trails and recreation corner with a message that there are probably a few mechanisms but yeah i just i'm just worried that if we're talking about having like some city feedback mechanism that that might be that's probably should be through the city yeah but yeah we can we can totally do that so the monthly report

talking about this meeting.

Yeah.

So that's, I mean,

We meet five times a year.

We meet every other month, though. So if we get that on the agenda, that's a standing thing. Yeah, we could do that. Put it on the agenda. We always do the, you know, committee staff.

Why five, though? I mean, so I got to be honest. We just haven't met in July because of Draper Days. If we have activity and we have things to talk about and do,

Would that make it... Well, we've already set... Well, I mean, for this year, it's already been set up for only five or for six.

Sure, but next year, you know, if we're... I mean, could this be a mechanism that allows us to engage?

We never meet in July. Yeah. We used to meet every month. Yeah. And we would just have time where we didn't have a quorum.

Yeah, we had issues with getting quorum. We had... And then not a lot to discuss, so I'd rather, like, do a two-hour meeting every other month.

Years ago, we had a lot more to do. We used to be twice a month.

Yeah, we're built out.

I would honestly really like to challenge that. And I'm going to probably express a little bit of frustration here. I have told Jen and the Historic Preservation Commission that I'm leaving to dedicate the time to this committee. I am used to being engaged and working in that organization every month. And I know that every other commission and committee in the city has a high level of engagement and they are meeting at least, you know, I would say 10, 10 months out of the year with, with some minor exceptions.

I was going to say, because we've got, we've got our schedule from a lot of the other committees because they're only meeting every other month.

Okay. Well, maybe there's, so for me coming here and seeing, oh my gosh, There are so many things we can do. Why are we not doing these things? You know, I'm out, and that's part of the reason I came to this committee is I'm actually out and engaged in the community and doing these things. So can I engage with this group and maybe provide at value with this group? But I am used to, like right now, next week I have a meeting to, to organize an event that's an unveiling event for the Widowmaker plaque that we just mailed it that involved news media and everything. So it frustrates me a little bit to think that that's all that we're gonna do. It's just approved trails and we're saying that the canyon's built out. When we've got a huge, huge space that requires a lot of work and we've got community that could probably learn a lot more about how to be involved and how to be better trail users as well as stewards. I just think that we could do a hell of a lot more. I'm curious.

Do you sleep?

Huh? Do you sleep?

Yeah, I actually do. I trail run and I train.

So Jason, maybe explain what the Historical Society, what do they— The preservation group. The preservation. What are some ideas that they're doing where they have to meet monthly? I'm just curious.

We have multiple projects. The one that I'm closing out just happens to be the Widowmaker commemoration. We help homeowners put historic places on the National Historic Register. So we work with homeowners. We also have to approve demolition for anything that has an RLS listing. So there's been some historic documentation that fits the criteria. We have to approve the demolition before that happens because it gives opportunity to go in and collect information about the property before it's gone.

So you're doing a lot of research and stuff.

We do a lot of research. We've had in the last couple cycles, we've had two articles published in the Draper Forward. Every year we have people dressing up in period costumes and walking people around historic homes. there are maybe two people in that committee who are not actively, you know, actually taking on action items and doing things. And those projects grow. So we have another group of people that are working on researching the contributions of enslaved people in Draper. And that's some really interesting research that's happening, as well as there's a pretty big Japanese community in Draper too. The Akagi's, there's a property even that we're trying to get on the, historic register that was owned by the Akagi family who are big farmers all over in not just Draper but as well as West Jordan so anyway there's there's a lot of a lot of activity a lot of people a lot of people that are curious if we have a new idea the idea gets put on the the docket to discuss and approve and and it just keeps cycling so I mean that it's kind of maybe a a thought in terms of targeting what is possible. I don't know that we need to emulate that completely.

No, I commend you for your passion and for the way you're contributing to the city. It's admirable. Well, thanks.

It's a lot of fun. And this can be a lot of fun, too. No, you have some great ideas.

One of the things that we used to meet And we always, every month we had plans from some developer. We had to look at things and you would recommend and we would say, yep, we agree with the red lines or we would come up with ideas like, oh, now let's move this trail over here or let's make a detention pond there or whatever. What's the process now for that? We're not doing that.

No, we haven't been doing that. There's not a lot of projects that are connected to trails. The city's kind of built out. Yeah, that's the thing. I review them. Right now, the process is planning. If planning thinks it has a parks, park strip, or trail component to the development, they afford it to me. So I'm not even seeing every project. Those I look at, a lot of those probably... 70% of them, I don't even, I just say there's no items for me. I was just curious. Yeah, but when it comes to trails, yeah.

Thinking about going from 10 meetings a year down to five, is it, did that, are we letting that slip through the cracks?

I can revisit that. There have been a few things with a point, even though we have no, jurisdiction per se, we have recommendations.

Yes, I know that. So I would ask too though, there's a big project and it's not time sensitive.

That's the other issue I was going to mention is a lot of times I get a thing and it's due in two weeks.

But you would agree, I think, that we've had things come in here and you have your red lines and they're 90% of the time. But there might be 10% of the time where somebody in this committee says, hey what about this and it comes up with some idea that you hadn't thought of let me add that or whatever so there are some edits that have happened during that because um i'm a big believer in like people talk about people disagreeing and not getting along and all that stuff and i'm like look but if you have one one party rule or so to speak or if you have one uh person here in the committee saying that it helps, it makes it more balanced in product if we have input. So let me check back with... There's stuff that's just rubber stamping, it's easy stuff, but stuff that you, I think you would use good judgment on and say, hey, this one, I'm going to run this through the committee, it'll be another month or whatever, and we'll get back to you or whatever. I don't know.

I mean, usually there's a, there is a, usually it's two weeks by the time I get it. However, with that said, doesn't mean I can't bring it even after I've submitted it. Because if there's something, most of the time something comes in, I review it. In two weeks, it's in my comments. The developer gets that.

There's still plenty of time for us to go back and edit.

And then they resubmit again. A lot of times it's concept and then prelim. So by the time the next application, if there's something that's, that we just totally missed the boat on, that the committee's like, hey, we really need this, then I can at least do it on the next round of reviews. So maybe I can make that a practice of just bringing anything that's, I mean, you guys don't care about park strips. Most of them are park strip issues where they don't show any landscape.

No, and that's the thing. Filtering those out so we don't have to deal with park strips is great. But if there's development stuff, I think it makes sense.

Yeah, the only one I can think of recently that would have been applicable is that Ivory Homes over at Jensen Farms Park. And we went back and forth with them because they... And you brought stuff to us about that, too.

Did I?

Okay, that's probably the last one. Okay.

Yeah, that... We've had input on that a little bit. I don't know if it was tons, but I remember a couple years ago when that was the concept.

For the park itself, but for the development, Ivory Homes, because we were going to build the trail. And then they come in and we said, okay, we're going to play by the rules from five years ago. You need to build the trail. I mean, there's probably wouldn't have been a lot of comment, but at least getting the committee's formal recommendation. So it goes to the planning commission with that is helpful.

So I'll, you know, I mean, and here's the thing, Jason, you know, we can't unilaterally decide we're going to meet. More again, we have to just in the fall, we're going to come up with a schedule for the next year and we'll all discuss it and let us talk about it. If we want to.

Increase step back if we feel like it's not enough, but what I'm proposing is an opportunity that we can add a little bit more to what we do.

That could increase the what you've presented in this presentation that there are.

opportunities for us that go beyond just approving the trails for sure oh for sure absolutely and we used to do that i mean you you've been involved in a lot of trail building in the past and yeah but there might be a lot of balance between yeah the only asks as far as i can tell of this group other than initially hearing this is that we would provide ideas and potentially leave things if we really wanted to but provide ideas for additional things that could be done. It's not an ask necessarily of our time. I would love to go to these. If I know that they're happening and I can, I will be. But I don't think there's too much of an ask. No, I don't think so. It's just trying to make this stuff at least more visible to the community.

100%, yep. And I get it. I understand. And it puts our brand and our stamp on activities.

I think that's the main purpose of why I think Greg wanted you to come here is making sure that it's a committee

on that type of work.

And if right now, if everybody votes and they only want to do every other month, then we'll have quarterly reports instead of every month.

Those could be a summary of email or something.

That's okay. That's not a deal breaker. I'm just saying, I think the discussion about doing more meetings is a separate thing. I agree.

And I would love to have the problem, I guess, is what I'd like to have. Yeah.

No, I will make a motion that we approve this. And is it going to council for vote?

No, it's just your support.

Anybody want to say anything? All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? Abstain?

I don't know.

Brad, it might be something good to put in a work study meeting to have Jason could even come.

Okay, I know Brad, I think, was talking about just in the updates, the CIP update, just giving you an update on that. There was no intention to actually formalize it with the council.

But they did an update on it. I think it would be good. I've always been a believer in if you get people out and they get their hands dirty and they see what it takes to build a trail, they tend to be, they take some ownership of that and they become really good trail stewards. And that's the bottom line. The more people you can get to get their hands dirty and to go out there and spend some time. I have friends that when their kids were doing their e- project and their kids are old and married now and they still talk about this little section of trail to help build that and they take pride in that and they do or the bridge we had a couple of ancient eagle projects 15 20 years ago everyone maybe yeah probably behind the the eight ball on it now but you know we have a day of service every year here around september 11th yeah

leverage your mat as part of this for sure.

So my son is 37 now and for his Eagle project we built Ocala trail from the roundabout. Right.

And every time you ride it, anybody in that group that day that helped, you know, because

rush. Oh, cool. Yeah.

My son did the, from Ghost Falls Trailhead, that little trail that goes over to where you exit out of the Deacons Ladder, that little trail there that was his.

I remember that. The ankle project that you guys... That just got done a few months ago up on Upper Canyon Road. That was a good one. Where you put the buck and rail fence around the last slide. I'm assuming you just moved that fence from down by the top of Ghost Falls. I'm not sure.

Because that fence is gone. Oh, is it? That buck and rail. On the road. Oh, yeah.

They cut it back in around it.

Well, the cutout was done by City Crews.

And then they put the parking rail around the... That fence is nice. To keep people from falling into the hole.

Yeah, so it's not a chain link fence. It's a bucking rail. It looks a lot like it.

That's really nice. We rode it the day that... That was a great Eagle project. I don't know who did it. The day we were up there, Rick and somebody had a truck and a long trailer, and they were trying to back that thing down because they couldn't get it through there. Yeah. And I happened to be riding up there and I stopped and talked to him. They're like, yeah. Yeah.

We had public works came out and actually did that, did the widening because we said if a fire truck needs to get through there, it's probably driving through there.

I think he was going to have to back all the way down to ghost. Yeah. To get last year.

That was the. Yes, it was. Yeah. That's good. I guess really the only other maybe tidying up thing is for September. I mean, I put my name on that, but I also, if there's an opportunity that someone else would like to take on, I'm happy to get those over. But those are the two days that I have available in September. And we've got to confirm with Steve and James and Greg. Greg said he would do that. And I guess the other thing is that if we like those days, then we probably need to confirm with Linda, see if she'd be willing to put the word out.

Just work with Greg on that because he works with her all the time because he's doing the social media stuff.

And just circulate the final days and times with this group and then send it out to Linda?

I think if you're okay to lead the charge on this for a little bit, that'll be really helpful just to see how it goes.

Yeah, come on out. Come out and see. We'll see how many people we can get. I think with... Yes, we talked about... The downhill and break bump, there's a lot of what's in it for me, for at least the mountain bike group. Dig drains, I think we might be able to get a good group for that too.

Cool.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. According to your schedule, you're doing two a month and one educational month. That's all in one month.

When we were talking that sober with Rick and Greg, if we're going to run the experiment, let's try the experiment as soon as we possibly can. Get the feedback, see what it looks like, report back with everybody in our next meeting and see where we want to take the next one. That was kind of the intent of the massage.

So what do you have for committees, staff reports, anything?

I don't have anything. I don't know if you wanted to discuss that email at all.

I think we have kind of discussed it in Jason's presentation about educating and continuing to just educate people. I think releasing that video annually and I think we need to get things put together.

We weren't quite prepared when COVID hit that we were going to have all these new users. Everybody got an e-bike and hit the canyon trails, and he didn't know etiquette, and he's just, oh, man.

Where a lot of this, though, is on the paved, these paved trails. That's the problem is on those. It's on the paved trails. And people are running and walking on it. And people come screaming by. I thought you were talking about the trails. No, this is on the paved trails. And then all of mine.

And the biker doesn't warn him. Well, my property, I can see them out there, and they're zooming by on those dumber scooters. The cops could easily, right there where I'm at, they could trap them.

And it's not just the dumber scooters, it's just people on bikes or e-bikes that are just people that are walking.

But the scooters and the Surrons are significantly faster, which... increases the problem.

Well, the police are trying to enforce those serons. Yeah, they're bad. But it's a problem. Maybe we need to... But do we need to post some signs or something like on some of those page trails? There are some.

In fact, Greg showed me a proof as of today that he's going to have. It says... And he had a picture of the seron, the fat bike, with the cross through it. And then he had... These are not permitted on trails. They're not permitted in the bike park.

They're not permitted, correct me if I'm wrong, but they're not supposed to be on the Puerto Rico.

No, and that's a trail.

They're actually not allowed anywhere. They're not anywhere. They're not supposed to be on sidewalks.

They're not supposed to be on roads.

You can't license someone for the street.

And honestly, not that you want a motorbike, but a motorbike, at least you can hear it. If you're on a trail and one's coming behind you, you can hear it. The problem with, as a road cyclist, we used to road cycle all the time, and when the Prius first came out, people would get flippin', they would go by, and the Prius wasn't that close. But it would scare the crap out of people because you couldn't hear them. You couldn't hear them. Yeah, because they're completely silent, or at least almost 100% silent. And as a biker, you could hear a car coming or a truck coming, but you couldn't hear the Prius. That's part of the problem with these electric vehicles and their scooters and their motorcycles and all the stuff is they startle the crap out of you.

And some people just on a normal bike, you can come up on somebody. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, just like, hey, use your... But to don't...

and the problem is you've got kids out there and people just kind of enjoying their walk and they don't yeah they might walk three abreast and it's a little irritating but you got to go slow and go around and let them know you're there but those people are enjoying that they they paid their taxes they're allowed to use the trail the the Porter Rockwell trail or the other paved trails and they shouldn't be like diving out of the way and we have some older people that are on those trails yeah it's not it's not good so The sneaky thing that's happening right now is that some of these bikes are finding their way up onto manned trail areas. I've said, do we have it on the window so we can confiscate it? So maybe we need to put on the Drapers thing. Put it out in the paper. There was a blitz. Yeah, this many arrests and this many confiscated. Let them out and let them know.

We're going to get you. There's actually been some really serious accidents. There's been some kids that have been greatly injured.

I don't know all the law, but it seems like to me if you've got it on an ordinance that's against the law and then you have a minor breaking the law, the parents could be responsible for that, right?

So it's all a matter of what the police department are. I mean, they have to, they have to practice community policing too.

I was curious, are we still on track to get any of those flyovers done this year or not?

We just got the funding for those. So that was fantastic. you know, just for the fiscal year. To be honest with you, we haven't looked at those. We're trying to finish up the other projects we're working on with the bridge and stuff.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the Rattlin' Hum. That will...

That's good. I've had a ton of people super happy about the bridge, the porter going over the bridge.

The contractor says he has a lot of people come on the site when they're not supposed to, but he's like, but they're always excited.

Where are you talking about?

Over the bridge.

So it gets paved tomorrow. It'll get paved tomorrow.

And then they'll open up the old trail. Friday, and then next week they should be able to open it.

Oh yeah, you should share your thoughts.

Oh, and one of the projects Rhett had brought up for maybe a volunteer project is up there when you go across the bridge, there's always graffiti. And it doesn't really get addressed a lot because no one sees it. Now they are. But you can see where Greg's staff has gone up and painted over stuff. But the idea is maybe doing a consistent color because right now it's just, you can see where all the graffiti was because of the different colors of paint, but just doing a nice clean paint. Another thought we came up with, and this could be kind of more of an outreach project, is to do an art piece. That's what I was thinking. With a train.

That would be cool. We were up there today. That would be cool.

We were up there today walking where the trail's going to go. And then there's, so you're going on the South Bay. The North Bay, so basically we ripped out the tracks, went to the South Bay, and then ripped out the tracks to go back down. But we left the tracks there across the bridge on the North Bay. And when you're standing on the trail, you see that wall. It would be so cool to do a mural of a train.

Oh, yeah.

Make it look like it's on the tracks.

You know the building on 700 South across from the Fisher Brewery downtown, kind of the granary district? That big white building was abandoned forever, and they had murals painted on it. I have not seen a single bit of graffiti.

That's kind of what we were talking about. If there's any studies to show that if it's an art project, people tend to look a lot. It seems like they would. That would be my guess. Mr. Mountain. I'm not sure. That's a great question.

The road is the problem, right? The new trail on the west is cut in. The east, the problem is they took out the trail when they put in the access road. So they need to reconstruct that. I know Greg's been in communication with the developer on that. I'm not sure.

They need to do it, or they need to pay our people to do it?

They actually paid Dustin to do it. Okay, that's what I'm going to hear.

Now, what's the story on... Oh, by the way, yeah, where the little rally section that takes you back up to... You know, where you can go one way down and one way up. That's awesome. Thank you. You know what I'm talking about? Instead of going down, you can go straight and go back and kind of the end, the last 150 yards of Woods Hall. It goes back up to Deer Ridge, Deer Crest. You know what I'm talking about? We put that right there where that switchback, right before the switchback. Yeah, the off-ramp. Did the signage get up, though?

I know Greg was going to put up some signage saying this is the preferred bike route to... He was going to put a sign up. That way people don't think they're committed to go all the way down, that they can get back on.

So the trail that was there? What's the latest, and other feedback on Carpe Diem is phenomenal. We were up there, and we were coming back from three falls, and we were like, we want to go back and do, and rush, and we had to get home. We're going to ride Carpe Diem first, and then go down the hill, down the road. I cannot. But it's gotten, everybody, from top to bottom, everybody loves the new Carpe Diem stuff. Cool. Is he working on Acton this year or no?

No. I know it's on our list. It's on our list. Oh, no. And it's going to be funded by the foundation. So I, my understanding is it's not an issue of... I think Bill's on board to have it funded. It's just that he's already has... He just has no time to do it.

What was the other one I was going to ask you about? What about the sculptures?

I haven't heard back from Trevor in a couple months.

The property up there, the Beck property. I heard a thing on that.

Are we hearing more from them?

Do you have any updates?

Yeah, well, it's close to closing. Oh, really? Yeah.

And we can discuss that. We can discuss that. But so we want to do, you know, I think there's some stuff that we want to do over there. Oh yeah, it's on my list.

Because we wanted to do the Canyon Hall extension, but we want to do it after that property is acquired. That's why I was asking. I already have some different alignment options. And then to extend our hoof and boot from Peak View. That way people hiking up to Lone Peak, they're not using Peak View. They're using the hoof and boot all the way up.

shorter route for them shorter and direct and it's all foot only trail they're not even there's a couple places you have to cross my son parker went up there riding speaking of hoof and boot he left peak view and there were people hiking and they're like you need to go that way you know then he's like no that's a hike and they're like no we're on this trail you got to go that way they put him on hoof and boot and then yeah on his bike and he's like i'm not supposed to be on here and the adults that were with the group were like no you got to go that way he's like i'm not And he's like, what? So he rides the section. And then these other groups that are part of this are yelling at him. He's like, I can't win. You guys told me to go here. No one else wants to be on here. He's like, you guys should be over there. Why are you walking on TV? He's like, Dad, do you have any idea why they're doing that? I'm like, somebody's disinformed. They're lost. They got them switched or something. They were bitching at him because they thought one trail was the thing. They had them named wrong or something. I don't know. But he was so frustrated, and I'm like, man, I can't do this.

I've had somebody yell at me when I was riding up Anz. Downhill mountain bike only, and I'm like, uh, no.

I've had that happen to me, too. I'm like, this is not Clark's, by the way.

This is Anz.

Let's go. Who seconded that?

Seconded.

Okay, Janina. You seconded everything today.

I'm happy to second everything.