Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

So we're going to call the meeting to order. It's October October 9th overnight architectural review board and if you would call roll. Um, Chair Lavley is absent. Uh, vice chair Jones here. Also acting chair this evening. Um, member Ritter here. Member Parsons here. Council member Leaison Nyan is absent. Uh, member Con here. And alternate Bartles here.

And alternate Rderman is absent this evening. We have a quorum. Okay. Um, we have minutes tonight. We do have two letters in the minutes um with recommendations from the last meeting. Does anyone have any updates or changes they want to make to those letters? Does anyone want to make a motion? Feel free to either approve or I'll second however you want. Okay. Did you get that motion by member con and second second park? Thank you. All in favor?

Any opposed? Because I was not here as um thank you. All we need is the minutes are approved as amended. Correct. Yeah. As as

Okay. Tonight we have three items on the agenda. Blue Onyx Development, the reserve at Wildwood and Corbin Salt House signs pediatrics dentist. Um is there any additions to the agenda that we need to speak about? We have any public comments?

If anyone that is on Zoom has any comments, please use the raise hand feature and we will promote you to speak. Not up here. There any old business? Okay, we'll get started with the new business. First up will be the Blue Onyx development 2601 East Avenue and 2603 East Avenue. An initial review of the plans for the two single family dwellings on a site that is located within the city health center be constructed upon the properties located at 2601 East Avenue and 2603 East Avenue.

Thank you chair and uh members of the board. Uh the first item on the agenda as uh read in by the chair is 2601 East Avenue and 2603 East Avenue. It's uh two lots uh located at the intersection of Nswister Road and East Avenue. As you can see, there's frontage on Avenue. Um, the site is approximately 6.69 acres. Um, it's located in the R3 10,000 square foot residence district and designated the neighborhood edge district of the town center regulating plan. Um, the applicant has provided some photos. Uh, this photo is looking north towards Manchester Road. Um, as you can see, this is looking south. Uh, and you can see the residential developments on the same side of the street in the shopping center across East Avenue. Uh, this is another one kind of looking southwest. Uh, so you can see again the residential development. And then beyond the trees, there is another residential development. Uh this is the site plan uh for both homes. Uh the department would note uh a couple of relevant applications. The first being a board of adjustment application that went before the board in September. Uh they granted a variance to the city's minimum yard requirements of the R3 10,000 square foot residence district and the design guidelines for the neighborhood edge district of the town center regulating plan to accommodate the construction of a new single family dwelling located on the lot at 2601 East

Avenue. Um the variance approval authorized a front yard setback distance of 10 feet from Manchester Road in lie of the 20t distance as required by the property zoning um designation. As you can see uh with lot fronts on Manchester it's it's technically frontage uh but it's the sideyard of the home and so that's where the um 10 foot was approved in lie of the uh 20 foot. Um that being said, uh in order to approve this, uh it's also dependent on boundary adjustment to adjust the lot sizes in order to accommodate both homes. Um that is a separate process, but this will be have to be conditioned upon you said boundary adjustment. Um, also to be noted, uh, the homes are located in the neighborhood edge district and, uh, there are a couple of inconsistencies with the, uh, with the town center development manual. Um, one being that the front access garages must be a minimum of 15t from the front facade or porch. Um, uh, 15 ft uh, recess also applies to the sides on corner lots. Um and believe it's only about 8 and 1/2 ft um from the front of the porch to the garage. Uh additionally, um the garage doors uh are shown if you see here um garage door openings may not exceed 12 feet. Uh so that twocar garages shall have two individual door openings and each frontfacing garage space shall have an individual garage door. As you can see, one of the garage doors is a twocar garage. Um, additionally, uh, front-facing driveways should be no wider than 10 feet in the build two and set back line in the street and, uh, plans show that the, uh, driveway is about approximately 30 feet wide from

the home to the street. Um that being said, the development guide does allow for the architectural review board some latitude um to uh to approve um set inconsistencies like inconsistencies like these without without requiring further review by the board of adjustment. Uh provided that the board finds the homes are compatible with the surrounding homes and neighborhood. Um and uh that being said, uh the applicant also dropped off um or emailed over a letter uh of support from the neighboring properties that's signed by seven of the property owners in the in the area um stating their approval of the architecture that you see before you. Uh the only other thing um think I have on my note is that the department did note that the sides of the home don't have a whole lot of architectural um uh details on it um and uh mentioned that to the applicant. Um so tonight the department uh would ask that the floor approve with there without conditions deny um or continue it to the next meeting if there are changes to see. Um but all of that if you do end up approving it would uh be conditioned upon the boundary adjustment plum approved. And so the applicant has prepared a presentation for tonight's meeting which they'll elaborate more on the details of them. Um, that being said, I believe that this concludes the department's presentation. Unless uh, Director Venage, did you have I missed anything um that you'd like to add?

Madam Chair, with your permission, the boundary adjustment plan is scheduled to be reviewed by the city council this coming Monday night, October 13th. Just quick question. Um, just are the garage doors considered carriage style? The windows. Okay. I Okay. All right. And then um is I'm just This a dumb question. Is this west of the post office on the same side of the street?

Okay. I I know that that lot. It kind of looked familiar here and I'm like I think that's where it is. I have applicants if you wanted to elaborate on any of the details the house what

um yeah so right now like they said it's they're just currently vacant lots. Um I think they're being used more as informal parking areas and dumping areas than anything. Um, I think we've tried to keep to the overall appearance of Town Center what they're wanting to see. We've actually changed our plans from what they were originally supposed to be. Uh, and what we've based these plans off of were designed for the two houses next door to the properties. Um, the residents and neighbors have supported it. Um, right now I think they just want to see anything going up there to kind of stop the people from parking there and um, improve the property values. Um, our designs were done by Dev Design Group. Um, we've tried to kind of keep into the materials that were wanting to see in town center. Uh, the James Hardy sighting. were doing a taupe and Asher Gray. Um,

yeah. And what is your name? My name is Becky.

Walk over there. Will the houses finish the same? It's not going to be the same colors. They'll be different. So, they're a lot alike. Um, slightly different square footage. So, about 200 square foot difference. The one dried out like 2100. The other one said 2300. the house nearest

it would be I think it is the south side because I think that's where electric but yeah still the back of the house would be south side purely based off where the furnace is shown on the plans it would most likely South back would be left back left. Yeah. On the left side of all facing East Avenue, so we're not facing Manchester. Oh, got Yeah. I was just going to say on Manchester. Yeah. Quick question. I mean, this is not part of Architect's review, but I'm just curious, uh, what price point are you going to market the homes in? So, one of them is already pre-sold at 650.

How much? Sorry. One is already pre-sold at 650. Second one will be marked at 6.95. Okay. Slightly bigger. Thank you. Just curious. Yeah. So with the price points 61 uh one is 267. The other is 2320.

The price point. Yeah. surprised at the cost per square foot. Doesn't go down deep right now. Make it cheaper. This stuff uh so you know, it's quite a bit more expensive than the vinyl sighting. So, just this one thing alone cost 50,000 $50,000. What's the color of that Hardy board you just touched there? This one's more of the ashar a little bit darker. Well, you know, they call it weird stuff like ember bark. And mine mine's timber bark. It looks just like that. Yeah. Didn't you like the days back when it was like you go to the ice cream store and it was chocolate banana?

You pick. Now you go there and like sit there for an hour. Is that the stone? Yeah, the stone. Um, so like said they're slightly different. One's going to be the Arctic smoke on the slightly smaller home than um the northern slate. roof samples to the Dub Gray and Peter on the castle brush line. And then um trim for the smaller one is going to be the hammered silver and then trim on the larger one is going to be the rockwood shutters. Are the basements finished?

They are not set to be, but of course I mean they can upgrade. At least the one that's not pre-sold. I think the one that's pre-sold right now is pretty set on how it's going to be. I thought they wanted it. It's not finished, but I think part of it is piped where it has a bathroom. It's roughed in. Yeah, wrote down just so you thought about doing anything to the sides to add the architectural detail like that was uh

I don't think that we had started I think our older plans had more look on the sides of them and like I said we've we've tried to there was issues with how our garages set and the porch is set. Um, so before we brought it to you guys, we wanted to get it a little bit more in line with how the city was wanting to see it also. Um, so we changed the plans. I don't think that we're opposed to doing these small Are you talking about like a window or something like that? Yeah. I don't I was just asking because it was so easy. Yeah. The window doesn't make much of a change. Are you landscaping any of this? Yeah. Landscaping plans. Are they on here?

Yes. But not on your elevation. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Not the landscape on the elevations.

It is in the packet. It does have landscaping. So, we think that will at least match or exceed what's the sides. Is it? Uh, a little bit. So, I think a lot of it's up in the front. Is it? Yeah, most of it's in the front. Um, we tried to keep it minimal to the sides because with the one side facing Manchester, there was some restrictions at least with been seeing. Um, I think not wanting to make it overly private over there. So, like we kind of just have at this point kept it. What do you know what the draw is for people to park in those lots?

Oh, I don't know. Is there something that's that draws them that park there? And well, I know there's a lot of lawn people that parked there, but there was a lot of people just dumping crap there like just junk and I don't know who went in there and more rock, but they dug out a bunch of stuff. I have no idea who did any of that. I've owned it for the last few years.

Yeah. But uh I know the guy next door very well. I worked on Lifetime Fitness and Dale's awesome. Uh good dude, honestly. I like him, but uh he wants something done with it as well. So, but um he's very supportive of it. Yeah, I don't know who just [Music]

Yeah, outside of the one side, which Yeah, if if it's the air conditioner over there on Delta south side of the house. Um, yeah, I don't mind putting a couple bushes around that to kind of block that a little bit and it gives a little bit more pizzazz, I guess. Yeah. It's just kind of playing to see. I mean, you're going to get a lot of people looking at the trust if you see what they're saying. Anybody else have any questions?

Yes. Mr. Fire, Mr. Ritter X, so to speak. Offense meant to the others. Have you looked at the the post or columns? Some of them seem a little slender for what they're picking up, so to speak. This seems slender relative to the front thing. Um did notice that 603 even though they're calling out the same size. So it seems to be a wider post just based off of say the rendering of the drawings. Um, yeah, they both comb out a 6x6 wood post. Um, that's 2603 just looks a little bit wider. Um, looking at the rear of the rear of the homes as well, see I agree. Um the rear we do 6x6 quite a bit on rears. Um I don't I'm not too opposed to it on the rear.

Yeah. I think the front especially with the stone base like like I was saying 2603 looks more proportional with the stone base. I would agree

then um what's being shown on well actually they both say 603 there's lots this live lot one seems skinnier than lot two now I don't know which if there truly is a difference in the drawing and what that is Um, I guess I was ask what what exactly wood post? What kind of wood are we talking about for that wood post? Cedar. It would be cedar.

Thank you. We just don't is a corner lot. The actual guidelines for town center does require to be treated as if it was the front of the house as well. Okay. So there has to be embellishments on that south side on the one. It is just when there's a corner lot. Yeah, treat them different two fronts basically.

Action motion to approve the department would respectfully request that that's a requirement that whatever they've done here in terms of window window types and be carried over to that side. I don't know if they could you could add some stone and lean on that side but which one's on. Yeah. So that's the thing is that because it faces the it needs to look.

Yeah. Is it this one that's on the darker? Yeah. Yeah. So the north is facing. Yeah. Carrying Yeah. carrying that Wayne's coat across. Yeah. Side that stone wat. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then and then applying the the same mullen pattern on the windows

as the front elevation on under the a window on the side. Well, I haven't dealt with that that stone material before. I don't know what the cost is. I don't know where where it compares to uh Hardy board in a square foot cost. I don't know. That's going to be huge cost difference. Placing hardy board with that the stone. Yeah. Well, it's some cost difference. Yeah. Big minor though from the front side. Yeah. just is the one side. It's not each of the side elevations. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I would I would definitely for that being facing Manchester that would definitely be Yeah. Um recommendation someone want

um is everyone good? We're good with well with the one addendum that Mr. Moonish mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. I move to approve of that. Make make a motion for approval with the uh added revisions of extending the stone weights going on the right elevation and extending the mullium pattern onto the right elevation windows. We have we get Oh yes. Then that's that's true. Can we front has the trim the same trim pattern around the the gable vent as it's on the front?

Thank you. Yes. Then it would match the front. Same details. Okay. Did you get all that? I I got both of it. Uh the motion was made by member Parsons. Who did we have second? I'll second.

Okay. Um, all in favor anyone abstain? Motion carries. Okay, you guys can stay or you can [Laughter] I was trying to get sort of project through the whole subdivision. So it was to say the least. Thank you everyone. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

Yeah. The next case is for the reserve at Wildwood 145 Manchester Road. Initial review of a temporary vinyl van banner sign to be mounted to a temporary construction trailer with each associated 115 lot resident project and both require varian

it's not for the yeah it's for okay did not cut paste apparently okay all right let me Start over. Didn't they do that? I don't know. I wasn't here last time. From 400. Uh, the reserve at Wildwood, 17225 Manchester Road, a preliminary review of plans for one of the Liberty series home options to be available within the reserve. A new 115 foot lot subdivision within Town Center. I know when I was reading it, I was like, did I jump ahead? I thought there was that was my fault. Okay. Would you like to give an overview?

He's going to shift it to the lesser partner in this. Oh, okay. So, Oh, all right.

Madam Chair and members of the board, Mr. Baros Meyer is representing Mckelby Holmes. Kelby Holmes is developing the 50 acres site at the southwest corner of New Group. Um, they've been waiting on the site for a bit of time. is have noticed he is going to be a major public knower has presented to the board on two other occasions. There is a grouping of two types of series the liberty and the designer and the series are premised on size etc. So there's A and B and C and D. The board approved both of the previous submitts which were much more of a luminance than this. They covered many of the different models and the associated elevations with each of the models. Believe the last comments at that second meeting Mr. Vargas Meyer presented this may be the last of them.

No, I will have one more that I hopefully will submit if not tomorrow early next week and we can probably discuss next meeting. Sounds good. So from the perspective of the department, the last time that they're brought in, I thought the tables were the materials. We basically said if they're the same for the next grouping didn't necessarily need to bring them, but we did include cataloges. So you can see it's the standard material that we say standard efficient anything other than It's the hardboard sighting fingles all the things that itself and the brightness [Music] architectural guidel I'm going to let Mr. B go into greater detail. Is there any questions about the projects or past meetings? Mr. I'd be glad to answer your message.

Thank you, Joe. Um, like Joe said, this is just one house in the Liberty Series plan. Um and now again little breakdown of this the Liberty series plans fall on the lot A and B lots within the development which are the orange and blue lots on this development plot. Orange lots are twocar Liberty series plans and the blue lots are three car Liberty Series plans. The plan in front of you, the Hamilton 2, will be offered on both sets of those. We have a twocar and a threecar version of this house. So, um, that's what's included in this package. I believe it is, if I'm remember my head correctly, it is four elevation variations for this plan. Um, yeah, get up too deep. for um with a just a different variety of materials and um switching anything from uh porch, front porch sizes, um roof gable changes, um material changes, the like. Have any questions? here.

Yes. Sorry, I was looking. Is this a smaller boiling than the others we've seen or in keeping in width? No, it's in keeping with the same width. Um, square footage wise.

Square footage wise. Um, this is it is a ranch plan. Um, it is our largest in the largest in the twocar lot size. Um, I believe it's Yeah, it's just over 20 or 2,000 square ft. So, it's 263 square ft. Um, with the plan, it's a threebedroom, two bath standard. Um, options to make it a four bedroomedroom with an additional full bath. So um but it's it's not the it's it's middle size in our of overall offerings just being a ranch and limits but it is is the larger ranch we offer. on the on the shingles or architectural shingles.

Are you finding or have you tried to see if there's any lead time or problems with the supply chain in getting the shingles? We are not right now experiencing any issues with who's it certainty or are using another manufacturer? Um oh uh Timberline is who we use for our manufacturer. um or is the product line EAF maybe I'm seeing yes that's the actual manufacturer um no like I'm not aware of anything the only thing I'm aware of we're having lead time issues on is uh Windows

those have been pushed back a little bit but I just we just order them a little bit earlier so we're trying to order them earlier so Anybody else?

Someone want to make a motion? [Music] Mr. Rder made the motion and Mr. Carson second vote. Anyone? All in favor? All right. Any opposite down now, don't you? Yeah.

There will be one more very recently. In theory, there could be some later. We're developing new plans, but they're way in worked. So, are you trying a new model? Something that you haven't done? Yeah. Entirely new models from nothing we've sold before. Is there is there a demand or people asking for things consistently as upgrades?

No. to these two um uh that we're working on are more trying to hit what we are perceiving as a gap in our offerings. Okay.

Um they're both uh story and a half offerings. No, sorry. One's a story and a half offering. Um it's trying to be a little bit more economic in our Liberty series side. Some acquire Our two story and a halfs that we have in the Liberty series are not the most economic build. They're they're a little bit more costly in the build out. So, we're trying to do one that's a little bit more so we can hit a a a price point that we're missing hopefully with. Um then the other one is very similar. with the twostory plan in uh the designer series which is kind of the same thing. That's more we we don't sell a lot of two stories but that's kind of we only really have one twotory plan in our offering. So we're trying to bring another plan into the offering. So um so they've been in works but they've kind of been back burnered for a while. So, so hopefully they will be done shortly and we will be able to offer them here as well. So,

doesn't seem that long ago two stories it's all you could buy, right? Oh, yeah. Exactly. So, I was just thinking they've they're with cost going up they're they're coming back in. I mean like I know I started McKelie almost 10 years ago. We didn't we basically didn't sell anything that wasn't a ranch or a store and a half. Like that was it. So um but with costs going up especially since co um we're coming back in or people are looking for the economy of to building twotory. So that's great. Yeah. Exactly. Thank you.

All right. or the last case. Corbin South House South House smiles pediatric dentistry 16560 Manchester Road to make a motion to approve.

We did all sleep initial review of a new sign on the north elevation of a building that's located in the schnook with Frosting Shopping Center which requires a variance. Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair and members of the board, as you know, when a sign is submitted to the city for consideration and it's been determined to need a variance before the board of adjustment can act on that variance request, it must be submitted to the board, the architectural review board for consideration and recommendation. You do not act on the variance request but you provide input input to the board and that that assists them in making their decision which as you know the board of adjustment can wave any requirement zoning ordinance but it should based upon hardship. This particular request is a little unusual in that there's two components to the sign. The top component that which is on the raceway and individualized letters is found. It's the component below that that is sort of a box and our code doesn't anticipate that as described and interpreted by the department. So, I'll also admit I made a mistake and authorized one not too long ago and so I have to live with that and wait till that changes. But in this particular case, I did ask the owners to proceed forward with the variance request because again it other than the the component the design complies with our site regulations. So if there are any questions regarding um this I had and

this particular sign I'll be glad to try to answer them along with Miss Ripto. So these are internally lit the bottom what just the box

this is in this is in Shnook's Wildwood crossing uh they were um they were zoned prior to the incorporation of the city. So we've honored the ordinance that St. Louis County approved which did allow internal items. So there is a there can be a mix like the chair mentioned. Thank you. Thank you. With regards the signage, there any regulations as to signs that are put inside the lake glassass window that faces the street?

For the most part, no. the the restrictions are not so much the sign itself, but it cannot be flashing or animated. So those signs that basically flash open or do something like that, our code prohibits that. And then recently we had an instance on Manchester Road where the LEDs were so bright on our side of Manchester Road. There was an intervening vacant lot. There were homes. The people in the homes were complaining it was so bright when it was on they could shining in their windows. That's how bright it was. So for the most part, it's the parameters of the lighting that often we have to address inside the building placed next to the windows or the glazed area.

Have you ever looked at the open side at the martini Indian restaurant? Um I I can't say okay well um I think they can be seen from the International Space Station. Well uh they are coming to the board of adjustment uh next week as well. So well I'll keep an eye out. Thank you.

Thank you all Madam Chair and members of the board. Thank you for the opportunity to submit our request regarding signage for salt test pediatric dentistry soon to be located at 16560 Manchester Road in Wildwood, Missouri. We're looking forward to joining and supporting the community of Wildwood. While we've had the pleasure of working with a reputable company, Dale Signs and Chris Smith um who has been designing signs there since 1980. um he has helped us to create the Salt House smiles pediatric dentistry sign you see here today. Based on his expertise, he shared um that typically when creating these signs that it would look best um if you calculate it based off of the square footage of the storefront and then size the sign to be equal or less than 5% um of that. And so that is what he has calculated here. Um, so you can see we are respectfully requesting approval for our signage to be 32 inches by 162 inches in a total of 36 square feet. Um, as recommended by Dale Signs based off of square footage um, looking at the storefront beam 24T by 30 ft. Here's a closeup of what you can see there. Additionally, we request that the sign include the module reading the pediatric dentistry um rather than having individual channel letters. This approach would allow us to maintain a uniform look across all of our offices as we continue to expand and serve more communities. Here is our existing office in Depair located at 11941 also on Manchester Road. Um and you can see here this signage is consistent with this style and we would like to carry out that same um design standard moving

forward. So within the first two and a half years of being open um at Depair we have served um 3600 patients um within the Depair community resulting in 11,800 visits. So many of these patients will be able to go to both of our locations and then geographically some of them may actually end up having Wildwood be their dental home. So our goal for them is to be able to quickly and easily recognize the familiarity of the sign. And one thing we would also like to draw your attention to is that the pediatric dentistry um is already fairly small like whenever you're looking at from the street. And so if we were to have to go to the individualized letters, it would actually have to shrink that as well. Then shrinking the Salt House Smiles name as well to kind of try to even that out. So furthermore, um so based on some Google images of this complex and surrounding businesses in Wildwood, um it appears that the module signage has previously been accepted supporting our request for consistency in signage. Um, so here's a photo from Google images from 2021. You can see the Look After Hair Company, um, which was previously located in this same complex two doors down, had that same module design that we are proposing. And then to the left there, um, you can see our next door neighbor, Kuman, um, who has that module for their O, allowing them to keep their signage consistent throughout the different municipalities that they're serving. Um so we are hoping to grant um your request to stay consistent with previous adjustments um that have been granted from a financial standpoint. Utilizing the module instead of individual letters provides significant cost savings as well. So the individual channel lever

letters um ultimately double the cost to approximately $16,000 for that. Um so this is on this next slide. This is our pair location just so that you can see what that sign looks like lit up. Uh Dale Signs has recommended standard internally illuminated channel letters for our sign. Um which you'll be able to see in the details provided here in just a second. And there's a little bit more of a closeup just so that you can see what it looks like illuminated. And I think that you all have copies of this as well just so that you can see it. And then lastly, so this is um Dollar Tree, which I pulled from Google images, but is still located just to the left of our storefront. Um and it appears in talking to Dale signs that this is that same standard internally illuminated channel letters. Um or they are thinking that from the Google images. Um so again, we are asking um to grant requests to stay consistent with previous adjustments um made. Uh, so Salt House Smiles Pediatric Dentistry looks forward to serving the Wildwood community for decades to come. And we greatly appreciate your time and consideration and hopefully approval um so we can proceed with a sign that's professional, consistent with branding, and in harmony with the surrounding complex.

Thank you. And that's what it will look like. All right. Does anybody have any questions, comments, concerns? your Depair location. Do you know how size-wise relative to this? Is it a the same size? Our dep um 2100 square feet uh like as as far as that, but as in terms of like the size of the sign. Yes. Um I do not I will I can get back to you on that. Um but he did it based off that same calculation.

Yeah. 5% less than what those ideas should be. You give you a little background too. Okay.

So the way we calculate the square footage of signage is a single dimension and it's the width of the tenant space. So one square foot of sign size for each foot of tenant space. We don't take into account the height of the tenant space. This past Monday, Planning and Zoning Commission recommended that we change our sign regulations and we are going to go to that 5% calculation, meaning we're going to take into account not only the width of the tenant space, but its height. That's the standard practice. St. Louis County has used it for years and years and years. Ours was recommended by one of our consultants who has found a great deal of new urbanism development across the country. So we are going to go to for the most part larger size and we are also increasing the height of the individual letters from 24 in to 30 in. So we've um applied the current regulations since 2006. So got 19 years of application but impression was that we need to change. So just a little background.

Okay. Thank you. Comment when that I'm sorry that change goes into place. Well they acted in the Monday October 6th since our council only meets once a month. It won't be till then till November. We'll have a public hearing. the introduction of the bill second reading will be in December. So it's a couple months off. Okay. So board of adjustment is quickest avenue right now. Anybody like to make a motion for recommendation? Madam Chair, do we not have no motion?

If you want to give direction to the department, do you like the sign as presented? And I'll we'll pass that on to the board of adjustments. Can you prepare a memorandum? have it to you no later than Monday if it meets your requirements and then back. Anyone want to voice any concerns? Are you just I don't have any concerns with the sign. Hey, thank you. I'll pass it on to the board of adjustment. I said you love it. Thank you all for you again.

Okay. Any other items? I have one. Okay. Tomorrow night 5 o'clock. You've been invited to uh appreciation event. I hope you can attend. If not, make sure at the next meeting to ask for your token of appreciation, which is a piece of wildly clothing. Very nice. So, if you can't attend, please do. If not, miss out on your All right. Our next meeting date is that says Thursday, October 9th, but that's not correct.

When is the next meeting? November 13th. November 13th. Um, anybody like to make a motion to close meeting? I won't I will not be here November 13th. Okay. November 13th. I've got a dinner date. TMX. Well, congratulations. With my wife, they kind of ruined it now.

Would someone like to make a motion to close the meeting? I'll make a motion. Second. Okay. Thank you. All in favor? I All right. Thank you. Medium.