County Commission - Regular Meeting

I've got I absolutely will. I can't eat it. I was looking. All right, everybody need to get their seat. Everybody needs to turn their cell phones off. Please mute your cell phones. Has everybody got their uh tablet logged in before we start?

Can you tell? Is everybody logged in? Okay. Would somebody grab the uh public speaking list down there? Bring it to me pretty please. I have text our building maintenance supervisor to tell him to turn the air conditioner on. So, I hope it kicks in pretty quick. Thank you, Sheriff Harton. Is everybody logged in yet? There you go. Okay, everybody's present. Uh, Mr. Sheriff, would you please call the meeting to order? We have his, uh, brother Dustin Welch here. Would you please step to the podium and lead this body in a prayer. Let's pray. Our almighty and holy father in heaven. God, we humbly approach your throne of grace, mindful of our own deficiencies, mindful, Father, of our

own weaknesses, and mindful of the mighty tasks that for us. Father, we recognize you as the author and creator of all life. And Father, we pray that we live lives that glorify you, made in and living full into your image. We pray, Father, that you will be with our brothers and sisters in Christ the world over who are suffering. Father, those who are suffering persecution because of their faith, because of their nationality, because of their living conditions. Father, we just want to lift them up to you. And Father, we uh we pray that we might look similarly upon the people in our own city, in our own neighborhoods, in our own county, those who are struggling. And Father, we might show them that same compassion. Father, we know that we can't anything we'd like to do. We pray that you'll equip us for everything you want us to do. Father, I pray that you will look on this commission as it meets tonight. And as they seek to make wise decisions about the future of our community, we pray that you will will grant them discernment. That you will guide them in paths that are wise. Father, that we'll be able to be a sort of community that shines brightly, reflecting not father, our own goodness, but your goodness. Forgive us, Father, when we lead ourselves astray. Forgive us, Father, when we turn to our own way and think and call that wisdom. We pray this in your son Jesus name. Amen. Thank you, brother Welch. Uh, Commissioner Tim Brown, would you please lead the body of the pledge allegiance to the US

flag to the flag of America to the Republic Okay guys, I hope you've reviewed the agenda. The floor will be open for motion to approve the agenda. Motion to approve by Commissioner Hirshman, seconded by Commissioner Duncan. Any discussion, changes, amendments to tonight's agenda? Being none, we're ready to vote on tonight's agenda. 17 yes votes. Tonight's agenda has been approved. Thank you. Now we will open the floor for public comments. The the rules for public comments are you must be a Coffee County resident and we're going to try to hold you to three minutes. I'll probably just tap the microphone or gently say that uh your time is nearing. Some of these names I cannot read. Uh be honest with you. Zach, did you sign up? I think were you the first on the list? Help me out. I'll go with Peggy Delaney. Peggy, you want to

speak? G, you got to work on your All right, G. If you want to come to the lectern, please. I apologize. There's more than that one that I can't make out. So, my handwriting is atrocious. Northern Tennessee 219 South College Street practice law and I'm here opposition to tonight's resolution lot. I have spoken to a number of you over the last weeks. I've sent letters and I have a suspicion that everyone's minds made up. I would like to address the moratorum is put in place for there to be discussions attempted meeting what could possibly help form what go into a resolution. This is not it. More still has time. Everyone here is looking forward minimum res. We need to have a committee with certain people in the community, people from this commission, from planning commission and from gentlemen. at these meetings to at least address everyone's issues one on one or in a group that has not happened and that would be my recommendation today to this commission. I know it's a hard job for all of you phone calls coming in all hours of weekend during work and it's tough and

these are decisions that need to be made because they affect this community not just the short term but the long term. Thank you. Thank you, guard. Okay, the next I'm going to go to uh Sue Site. Do you want to speak? Mr. Umbberger to who? Okay. Sure. Come ahead. Usually I don't speak. State your name one more time, please. Sharon Lynch resum. I personally want to just speak. I didn't like the sign that was out front because I think that that's a scare to each and one of y'all and disrespectful to y'all for one. So, my apologies for that. Anyway, I am speaking here because I was that young person, that first time buyer, that the developer, the realtor, they didn't care about happens later on in life. They're just there to make their money and move on. I was that house that a year later the plumbing was just thrown together. I was one of those makeshift houses. My first time buyer experience was not good. We county can do better. We're just

asking for that time frame for 180 days and we're asking for the five acres. My parents inherited I inherited about 5 acres eventually. Yes, I do want to my kids to meet here. I have no problem going before like they have said to me a lot of meetings. They have no problem going to one of them and asking for that permission. Guess what? I had a front porch on the front house. We had to go through zone to do that. I didn't, but the guy who made it did. I have no problem doing that. There's rules and regulations for everybody in my emergency. Guess what? how much money you make down here. Guess what? I would have my mom spread on Facebook. It's got to stop. It's got to stop. These farmers, it's a beautiful day outside. They've got plenty of I see them working all around us. Guess what? If I know they're on the road, I go around it. You You put a bunch of city folks in here. They're They're going to make it harder on them. I don't bar, but I do have a garden. I was raised I was raised up in Nashville. I've seen Nashville get overgrown. I've seen Murphy's World get over. I've lived there. I lived in another place. And when they put apartments down the road from me, guess what? My house has been the oldest one on the block. Never flooded. Never had water in the basement. So they put those apartments down there. My basement was flooded. So it does affect if smart planning has got to start with y'all. Not with scare tactics, but just with organization. smart planning, not benefits, not making

money, not I'm pretty sure surveyor, I'm pretty sure he's awesome at what he does. He can put as much stuff on that land as you can. I can draw a picture and put a bunch of stuff on the paper, but I'm pretty sure, but you have to look at it long term and what it does to the people that live there like me. Wrap it up, please. Wrap it up, please. I just I never planned back to Middle Tennessee. Never planned it. You can't You don't know what tomorrow holds, but y'all are sitting in the seat that y'all have a decision made. Now, I do apologize, but I do want to go and take care of the Thank you. We will go down to I'm trying I figure I know who's going to be speaking for and against this and I'm going to try to rotate. So, uh, Nicholas Northcot Good evening everyone. Nicholas Northcut North Cut Surveying. Thank you for allowing me the chance to speak this evening. I've got, you know, three or four people that have offered to give me their time should I run over. You're being asked this evening to vote on an amendment to the zoning resolution regarding increasing the minimum lot size in the A1 zone to 5 acres in an effort to curb major subdivisions. There are several reasons in your package that on the surface sound like good reasons to vote in favor of these

amendments. This, however, is being presented as a solution to problems that we do not have. This solution does not preserve farmland, but rather uses five times more property than necessary to have a house. It caters to the established and wealthy while leaving lower and middle income earners in the cold by pricing them out. And worst of all, it adds uncertainty and unnecessary government overreach into your rights to manage your own property. This amendment is intended to patternize after Williamson County. This could not be more of an apples and oranges situation. I would like to point out that the medium family income in Williamson County is more than double that of Coffee County. Their population is uh almost five times the population and they have double the medium income. The job of the full commission is to represent all of the people in your respective districts. We should be focusing on what's good for Coffee County residents and not what other counties vastly different from ours are doing. This amendment offers a pathway to dividing less than five acres through the variance option. Again, this sounds good on the surface, but what the planning commission is submitted to you is asking to have the power to be judge and jury to determine whether or not an individual can divide less than five acres. As you know, there's no approval needed to divide five acres or larger. So, what that means is that for anyone wanting to divide less than five acres for any reason, they have to ask for permission. I take major issue with this because the chairman of the planning commission does not know what's best for me and he does not know what's best for

my family just like he doesn't know what's best for you and your family. This leaves your ability to divide uncertain and open-ended. It places one's ability to divide squarely on the whim of the chairman of the planning commission. That's an awful lot of power to give one man or one small appointed body. I have attempted to ask what the criteria of being granted a variance would be and no one can tell me. That's because there is not any clear criteria of where a Hold up a minute, Nick. who wants to extend his time. I need to mark off names. One hand will be enough. Josh, thank you. Go ahead, Nick. Um, there again, I asked about the criteria of what would uh be granted a variance and nobody could tell me because there is not one. That means it's all up to the opinion of the planning commission. reasons such as deeding land to a child to build on or selling to pay medical bills. Those are great reasons to apply for a variance. But what if I want to sell an acre of my property so I can go buy a Camaro? Is that going to be a good enough reason to get a variance? What this is doing is it's taking a level playing field where everybody knows the rules and it's changing it to a game of who knows who. If you want to divide, you will have to kiss the ring. It is no secret that I'm going against the grain of the planning commission on these amendments. So, if I personally uh wanted to request a variance after all this, do you think that my odds would be better or worse about getting that variance? And do you think that that's fair for me? The purpose of the planning commission

is to make sure people follow the ordinances that y'all have enacted regardless as to whether or not it's popular. Allowing the planning commission the ability to interject their opinion based on personal biases or possibly even input from the neighbors is not the way we should be doing business. That's because neither the planning commission nor the neighbors paid for my property. They don't pay taxes on my property. They don't maintain my property. Therefore, they should not get a say as to what the best way for me to use my property should be. Where am I at time wise? Oh, you still got a minute a half. You don't need anybody yet. Keep talking. Well, before you cut me off, one of them's going to do it. So, let's put Mitch down next. Mitch, you're not the two minutes yet. You got three. The other pathway proposed is the zoning route which would come before this body. This sounds good on the surface but again hanging one's ability to divide on the opinion of even the full commission is uncertain. If you will recall uh two commission meetings ago a gentleman had applied for reszoning on his property where corridor zoning splitz zoned his property. He was simply trying to get his whole property zoned the same zone. Even in this simple scenario, there were four neighbors that came out against this and their reasons were literally that they moved out into the country and they want to look at cows. That was the reason that they gave. This is the kind of mentality that you're going to encounter with every reasonzoning. I've done enough of these to know that no one wants anything any different. It's been said that some other counties do this, but again, let's focus on

what's good for Coffee County and not what other counties are doing. Okay, I'm going to check off Joe War's time. Thank you. If you want to continue. In closing, this commission, y'all have painstakingly reviewed and approved an extensive set of zoning ordinances. Mayor Hunt reiterated this the other day by stating that there's an entire book, two inches thick, dedicated telling you what you can and can't do with your property. As I stated the last time I spoke before this commission and to give you some perspective, the common refrain from the average person that I work for is that they had no idea how difficult it was to do a simple division. The common refrain I hear from developers is that it's harder to develop in Coffee County than any other county that they work in. The point that I'm trying to make is that the ordinances already in place are having the desired effects. The responsible growth is happening. Prior to the submission of the controversial old airport road subdivision that, let's be honest, has brought all this about. The last major subdivision in the county where roads and additional infrastructure were installed was in 2007, 18 years ago. This shows me that these amendments are an overreaction to problems that we don't have. It's been said that I'm just representing developers, but this is not true. I'm the only one in this room that helps people on a daily basis, helping people make decisions about their land. And the majority of my clients are just average people. I am the one here representing these people. These folks sitting over here on this side. Whether they know it

or not, I'm representing them as well. And as I see it, these amendments would have more of a negative impact on these people. There's a sign out front of the building out here that says, "Vote conservative. Less government, less regulations, lower taxes. We are watching how you vote." I would implore you to vote with your constituency. Vote no to these amendments. End this moratorum and keep land owners in the driver's seat of their own property. Thank you for your time and consideration on these matters this evening. Thank you, Nick. Let's see. Try to flip to the other side here. Sean Jones, do you want to speak? Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Sean Jones. I'm a multigenerational farmer in the Asbury community. I'd like to start by saying there's a lot of confusion and misconception about what we're trying to accomplish and achieve. We're not trying to shut down growth in the county. We are asking for a set of rules to put in place to protect the rural areas, A1's only. The definition of A1 is as follows. This district is intended to preserve space for agriculture and forestry use, which together compromise an important segment of the economy for Coffee County. The primary intent of the A1 district is to minimize conflicts between agriculture and forestry activities and various non-farm activities to permit lands best suited for intense agriculture uses to pres be preserved for these suited purposes and to prevent lands unsuitable for development of an urban or

non-ruural nature due to topographic problems. Location or the inability to provide necessary urban services from being encroached upon by these capable land uses. Areas assigned to A1 district are primary areas where growth of an urban or non-rural nature is deemed undesirable for one or more of the reasons outlined below. Although the A1 district is primarily a rural district, it is also provides for low density residential development with lot sizes for single family dwellings being more restrictive than those for C1 rule centered district. The following regulations shall apply in the A1 Agriculture Forestry District as defined on the zoning map of Coffee County, Tennessee. Agriculture areas within this district may involve noise, odors, dust, and not operation of equipment all associated with the normal crop and livestock production activities. All residential users and developers of residential properties shall be charged with the knowledge that they assume the risk of any discomfort associated with the deciding to reside in this district arising out of said agriculture activities. Right now, the lot sizes in A1 are no different than any other zoning district. Shouldn't something be done to protect the rural heritage and environment that we currently have. In 2022, the top export from Tennessee was cotton at the value of 956.6 million, which also put Tennessee as the number three exporter of cotton in the US. That's more than distilled spirits, Jack Daniels, George Dickle, etc., which was the second leading export at 817.7 million and number one in the US, which to produce these you need grain, corn, barley, etc. The top five exports of Tennessee are nothing without the A1. It doesn't matter if it's cotton at number one or poultry products at

number five. They are all centered around A1. Something must be done to help save farmland before it's too late to To put things into perspective, I have the following number. Seam. Yes, Sue. Thank you. Continue, son. Tennessee loses 10 acres an hour. That's 435,600 square ft an hour. 7,260 ft a minute, 121 square feet a second. To put that into perspective, your average bedroom in your house is 132 ft. seconds. Your average home, this conference room, 2200 foot, roughly 18 seconds. Football field, 57,600 square ft, 7.9 minutes gone. The Grand Old Opry House is 101,000 square foot, 14 minutes. To put things in a local perspective, Bonaroo is roughly 700 acres, 70 It's gone over two days and 22 hours. Less time than the festival is here, that land is gone. It was brought to my attention today that a comment was made about putting as many houses on a few acres as you can will help preserve farmland. Unless there's an unwritten rule in effect stating that once we reach a certain number of houses in the county, we're going to stop building. I don't see how this will solve anything except overcrowd certain areas. Then a remark was made about putting chicken houses on the land instead of houses. Personally, I'll take chicken houses any day and it would be an easier process since the land is zoned A1 for agriculture use anyway. There are currently regulations in place to prevent certain activities in the city, chicken houses, feed lots, etc. This protects the residents in the

city from the noise, smells, etc. What's wrong with having rules and regulations in place to protect the citizens living in the rural areas from the hassles caused from the city coming to the country? Personally, I think all developing needs to stay in the PGA and the UGB where the infrastructure is already in place to handle growth. One important thing concerning planning commission is that when making decisions, monetary gain or loss cannot be considered planning commission's responsibility to determine the best use for it at that time. That being said, thank you ladies and gentlemen for your time. I appreciate what you do for Thank you, Sean. Let's see. Nick Graham, you want to speak? BB Brown, did you sign up? Anybody opposing this? It's your turn. Anybody opposes the five acre minimum uh resolution? Anybody else? No, I'm kidding. Come on, Charles. Charles Miller 616 Poke Street Manchester B says I'm old as dirt and that's why I'm in the business. You know we said a prayer today we And when you all were elected, you swore an oath to serve the people of your district

and you come to you. I hope you don't have many of these toes when you make decision. I tried to look back and I recently went to England and as we were touring we would come to these great castles they would have thousands of acres of land and then surrounding the castle were these little buildings and that's where their tenants used to deliver that and you know next year we are going to celebrate 350 year iversary of the independence of the United States of America. And I thought, you know, why are we a nation? Why are we here 350 years? Well, it dawned on me that one of the reasons we are here is because those tenant people who could never own an acre of land in England got on a boat and came to and they fought. They fought And they fought and then they came up with a constitution. You know, one of the basics of that constitution was the right to own land and the right to do with that land what you wanted to do with it. That's the basis for America. That's why we're here. And and I know you're being asked to make a decision tonight that's going to affect every district in the county, not only that you were elected to serve, but every district that we have. And when you make that

decision, there are some salt of the earth. The farm people, the people that are up here tonight, they are great people and I come from. But they're asking you to restrict the rights that everybody fought for that that we pledge allegiance to that that America was built upon. And all I ask of you all this I know Tim Brown fought he fought and many of you all fought for our nation you serve and you were fighting for this right the right to own it as I think Charles Thank you. Are you done? No, I'm not. Okay, somebody who's who's next. I might as well be though. All right, Melody. You got three more now. All right. Well, thank you. I would say that if we could delay this vote, if we could get in committee, if we could as reasonable people come to a conclusion that would would benefit both these people and and both the people that have the rights to do with their land what they want to do. That would be a good compromise and that's all I ask. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Charles. Support of the five acres. Who wants to speak next? I'm trying to see who anybody on this side want to speak to in support of the five

acres. Steve Cunningham, you want to speak? No disrespect from wearing a cap up here. I have an eye problem and the glare bothers me a lot. There's much confusion among the general public about what's going on with land use in Coffee County. Rumors, misconceptions, and false narratives have been pedled by word of mouth in the newspapers and on social media. The changes we're exploring are not going to take away citizens rights. They're not going to lower your land values and they're not going to stop growth in Coffee County. Coffee County has had zoning since 2001. Uh changes to the zoning resolution are common and necessary. Zoning and land use are not intended to take away anyone's rights. It is a balance in the right. You need to remember that. It's a balancing approach. Growth cannot be stopped or slowed by land use decisions. Growth can only be affected by the migration of people and the condition of the local, national, and world economy. And if you don't believe me, if you're old enough, remember the housing collapse in 2008. That's proof of what can happen. Our goal is to channel growth to areas intended by our countywide growth plan for growth to happen in the UGB and along our major roads and to protect our vital agricultural areas. The reasons for that and this first one is a caveat to the cities. By locating in the UGB, it's easier for the cities to service and annex these areas. Number two, it lessens contact between our urban and rural citizens involved in their daily duties. If you've ever

followed a combine down the road, you understand what I'm saying. It lessens the traffic burden on our already overcrowded rural roads. It's less It has less of an effect on everyone's quality of life. You heard the description of the A1 area. Normal agricultural activives activities can be very unpleasant to people uncustomed to them. And in the A1 district, farming takes precedent over everything. There cannot be a nuisance sue pile for anything to do with farming. It puts less of a burden on our water supply, our law enforcement, and our fire protection. It's a major safety issue. And last but not least, it helps to protect Coffee County's largest industry, farming. Most of the false and misleading narratives are not coming from farmers and common citizens, from people with something to gain. Their only talk is about money. They don't mention the problem caused by what's happened to the coffee county, the change in the quality of life, or the safety risk. They don't mention the cost involved to those of us who already been here. One of the speakers, and he should know better, said these were massive changes and would take money away from women, widows, and little children. I think he made that in the last meeting. Ridiculous. Steve, what's that? Your three minutes are up. Thank you very much. Okay, you get the name. cancelled. Okay. Some of what we're suggesting are in the zoning resolution before and need to be reinstated. As far as land values are concerned, check it out. The threat, as the narrative goes, was going to hurt the price of property.

Property values are continuing to rise. two recent sales, 9 million for appro approximately 550 acres on Highway 53, almost a Deerfield uh uh school. And this one is pretty shocking to have right next to me. And that's 379,000 for 11 acres on the corner of Sangville and Ragsdale Road. That's due east of Manchester, not towards Murph. Due east of Manchester, two miles from Grundy County line and three miles from the Warren County line. The economy will decide the fate of land prices, not the land use decisions. In conclusion, everyone still has all the god-given rights that they had in the first place. No personal no personal property rights are affected any more than when this resolution was adopted in 2001. I ask you to take a deep breath, be open-minded, and help us be able to continue moving Coffee County down the best path for everyone, not just the special interest groups. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mr. Cunningham, can I ask you a question? Has have people shown up at the planning commission? Oh, yeah. Okay. But but have they put forth proposals or anything? Uh put put some proposals forward and uh we've talked about several, but we have a process we have to go through which involves a public hearing and all that. So, you just can't take them from the planning commission the way our dates are set up and go right to the next county commission. Any other questions? No, we're not taking questions. Okay, this is public comment. Uh here's here's what we got to do right now. We're going to pause

public comment. I want you to pull up the the minute approval. We're going to step down here. We need to get to 8A pretty quick and then we will pause business and open public comment back. I need a motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting. A motion by Commissioner Morris, seconded by Commissioner Dford. Is there any changes, amendments to the minutes of our last meeting? If not, let's vote. Okay, the minutes have been approved with 17 yes votes. Now we move to item 8A. 8 is resolutions, memorial, sympathy, and proclamations. Uh we have a special individual that we want to recognize tonight. He was on our planning commission for since it was invented probably, Mr. Paul Elim. He's gone through a great deal of discomfort and effort to be here with us tonight. So, I want to get this resolution of memorial and appreciation to Mr. Elim right now. Mr. Elim, if you would come to the lectern and I want uh I want Sammy Anderson, Laura Nettles, who are members of our current planning commission to please join me.

You've been workhorse for us. You were here when you know we knew you didn't feel like it dialysis recently. This man population for your dedicated service to county. We hereby present you with this certificate. [Applause] I want to say thank you all being on the committee. I don't know how many years I was on it. They couldn't find no other black guy as I was. So they snatched me up, putting me on it till I went in bad hell and I enjoyed it. I learned a lot. Work with some nice guys. We all were We all understood one another. Thank God that you are able to share.

[Applause] Mayor, can I say one thing? Um, Mr. Elim and I went to high school together. No, we played football together against each Well, we played together. We played together. He's a good man. Always has been. I've known him for a long time. Believe this is an item. We need to vote on this presentation soon as your screen's available. All right, we have a motion by Commissioner Mars, seconded by Commissioner Hzman. Uh, any more uh discussion regarding this. Somebody did. You're going to have to tell me who. Who? Oh, Commissioner Duncan. Yeah, that's what you got to do. Somebody hits the button. You have to turn around and tell me commissioner what they call it. Hit the but because I can't see it. Thank you. Okay, guys. We are ready to vote on this proclamation. This has been approved with 17 yes votes. appreciate that. We're going to do another one. This one is 8B if I'm not mistaken. This is recognition for the late Mr. Larry

Crabtree. Uh we have his uh widow, Ms. Crabtree, who was a county commissioner representing a district from the city of Toma. If you would please come to the left. This proclamation is dedicated to the service of C County Board of Education from 2020 to 2024. During this time, he demonstrated a strong awareness of taxpayer concern. We're presenting this to a sweetheart. [Applause] Okay, the motion has been made by Commissioner Miller, seconded by Commissioner Hollinssworth or any more any discussion? We're ready to vote, please. The proclamation has been approved by 17 yes votes. We're going to do one more and that is the proclamation of lemonade day. Uh let's see. Miss Riddle, are you in the audience? Katie Riddle, come on up.

speak as loud as you can and explain to everybody exactly what Lemonade Day is and where it is, what it contributes. Okay, so Lemonade Day is a youth entrepreneurship program and the Manchesterber does it in partnership with both Manchester City and Coffee County schools. Every elementary school in those two systems are part of this program. It's taught in the classroom. Students understand how to create a business plan, how to market a product, what to charge for that product, and it culminates in what we call Lemonade Day Manchester, which will be this Thursday. So, I hope you're thirsty on Thursday. There will be 28 lemonade all across Manchester and they are all manned by these student entrepreneurs. All of the money collected at these stands and just to give you an indication collectively last year it was around $27,000. Amazing. So all of this money is collected given to the schools and the students pick three things to do with it. They save a little so they can do something for their school. that can contribute to the lemonade the next year by buying t-shirts or something like that. They spend a little by rewarding themselves with a pizza party and ice cream party at bounce house and they share a little. We give them a list of area nonprofits and so they can either give a percentage of their sales or a flat rate. So these kids learn that running a business and being successful means you also contribute to your community. So many people in this community have to work to make this happen and we are so pleased that we are able to do that because of the community. Thank you Kentber. [Applause]

We have a motion by Commissioner Hirschman, seconded by Commissioner Hollingsworth. Any more discussion on lemonade day? Ready to vote, please? Commissioner Jones. Thank you. The proclamation passes with 17 yes votes. Okay. Now, we're going to pause business, so don't do anything with your screen down there. We're going to resume public comment. And the last person to speak was Charles Miller in opposition to the 5 acre minimum par size in the A1 district. So, is there anybody signed up to speak that is a proponent? Nobody on that side. Everybody done on the other side. The opponents. Zack. Zach Mo. I actually could read your name when I found it. Come on up to the lectum. Yeah. Thank you. Uh I'm Zach Moy. I live in in Manchester and u usually don't come to the meetings, but this one I wanted to speak because a resolution like this can have unintended consequences and I refer particularly to that this resolution you respect. It sounds so California and I don't mean that as a as a compliment. It is the kind of resolution

that has the homeless problems in California go back to look at the roots. Resolutions like these from local bodies over time restricted housing, restricted developments have led over time to the kind of problems that have that that they said California and In fact, a lot of people moved from there because of the homelessness issues starting from resolutions like this. So, I say that with respect, but that this resolution is so California and it's not meant as a country. the homeless problems in California go all the way back as I already mentioned and with respect to coffee county saying if this is because this sounds like an extreme case the population and the kind of pressures that are caused from Nashville and Murphy'sboro people moving down here if there are fewer houses to be built it will lead people who move from elsewhere can afford and they will start buying houses existing houses because that can be built and that will drive people. So you could have potentially homelessness in the county as a result of this. Going back to the analogy that I gave for the California example and I understand the reason why people want to live in an open area. I'm very fortunate to live in surrounded by beautiful farmlands. So I fully understand the But understand the the commission, you all are a legislative body. You're not an atheic advisory committee that people would say that do things that are proper. So the best thing to do is take time to deliberate. As I said, I fully understand why people

want to live on open spaces. I do and I'm very fortunate. So it sounds like it's being rushed because it's been the 180 day moratorum it's not been like 30 or 40 days passed so I do not I see a disconnect between hardly 30 days have passed for the 180day moratorium on subdivisions and here we are with a resolution that effectively gives resolution to that so so those are the reasons that I I oppose it I think it should be more more deliberations to come with it and yes appreciate. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anybody else on this one? Okay, we have uh people signed up for the resolution to abolish the position of constable. We have anybody wish to speak to that? Hold up. You're Mr. What's your name? Okay, you're with the I will recognize you when the business item is on the floor for expert witness to you can answer questions. Okay, Mr. Sanders, do you want to speak public comment briefly? Ladies and gentlemen of the uh commissioners, Tennessee here road. Um last meeting asked you liability. Okay. I did a research for the past 10 years, even went farther

back. Not one single conible in the county has ever been sued for any reason that cost the taxpayers. under the U guidelines and our policies and procedures. Most of y'all probably don't know we even have most of you know probably don't even know what a council is and that's understandable. However, when I came into office same time as Sheriff Park was elected, um I felt it necessary to give mayor a copy of our policies and procedures. Also gave copy sheriff. Um and we go by this. We're ruled by and we also abide by the TCA. Um and I'm going to read some here. Excuse me. Right quick. Cons are officers of the judicial system as prescribed by the state constitution who are sworn and bonded peace officers with full powers of the rest under TCA code title 8 chapter 10 are charged with keeping the peace and with the enforcement of the laws of the state and county and it cities. Now, I'm not out here to be a city police officer, a county deputy, or THP. I'm out here for the people who elect me into office just like y'all. They elected you in your positions as commissioners to do what's right for the people of Canada. We have Summitville, Beach Grove, Hillsboro, Tele. We have two con just like

y'all. We are the eyes and ears of those communities. We hear things. We got theft going on in in our outline little small towns. Someville, Beach Road, Hillsboro council in Hillsboro, Mr. Mandolino has enhanced the neighborhood watch areas at no given time. I don't care if it's a large city, small city. At no given time, I know the sheriff's department, they're patrolling 247. Look how big our county is. If something majorly goes wrong and those deputies are out doing their job as law enforcement officers taking care of that 911 call, something at the other end of the county, look at the response time. And I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with the response time, don't get me wrong, but we are here to back up the law enforcement agencies. That's what we're here for. Now, James, sir, your time's up. But please don't get rid of assets. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we're going to resume business items on the agenda. If you notice the uh Coffee County Equalization Board was approved by approving the agenda. The next item is a unique one in that we have a term expiration on the board of zoning of appeals and the county commission. You guys are the ones that appoint and elect board of zoning appeals members. So the floor is now open for nominations. Mr. Mayor, I know that there are two people that have put in for this. Uh I would like to nominate Kendall Lane.

Okay. The name Kendall Lane has been introduced as nomination for the board of zoning appeals. Is uh the other individual in the audience that filled out the citizen participation form. Kendall Lang, would you please come to the lectern to give a chance for the individuals here, the commissioners to ask you questions or you please state your reason for wanting to be on the board of zoning appeals. Good evening, commission. My name is Kendall Lane. Uh I have lived in this community for my entire life. Looking around, lots of very familiar faces. Some of you called strikes for me. Some of you been friends for a long time. Worked with several of you for a lot of years. I raised my family here. My to live here and will this mean is important to me and my career has been around public service in some shape form or fashion. Uh in 2019 I kind of retired from that and went into private business. So I now have a little more interest in public service. And I appreciate what you guys do. You're the tip of the spear. These things decisions that you guys make all our communities, our lives as much as anything that could possibly happen. So that was really my basis wanted to become a servant

county. Do anybody have questions for Mr. Lane? Without objection, when with the no other nominations on the floor, we can approve this nomination by unanimous consent. Do you have a voting screen set up for this appointment or not? You can. Correct. Okay, you're right. Our parliamentarian is always right. We need a motion to uh Commissioner Morris. Is this motion to cease nominations? Okay, y'all heard that. Any more discussion? Ready to vote, please. Commissioner Watkins, congratulations, Mr. Lane. You have been approved by 18 yes votes.

Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. There's a meeting Thursday night. The BCA meets Thursday night at six o'clock here. Okay. Thank you. Keep up with our website calendar. The BDA only meets on an as needed basis. Okay. Next item on the agenda, unfinished business done, financial summaries. We have approved these summaries by unanimous consent, but we would like for Mariana to speak directly into the microphone and go over those for us, please. Did you bring them? I think the budget finance committee wanted you to Well, it'd be nice if somebody told me ahead of time. I could have been more prepared. Um, so typically when I close the month, I try to be done by the 10th of the month. And I have in the past been emailing you these documents, but the controllers's office now has requested that I put the cash flow for all the funds and that it be presented at a county commission meeting. So what this does, it gives you a year-to- date for the end of this month of revenues that have come in, expenditures that have gone out and how they h affect the budget and the percentage. Um so these uh give you a good um snapshot monthly of how the revenues and expenditures are running close to the budget. So, um, like I said, that's what I have been

doing for quite some time. And normally, if anybody has a question, they I usually get emails or phone calls or even visits. So, um, that's basically it. I am unless someone has a specific question. Okay, moving on to 11B1, capital projects fund. And these are all separate votes, correct? Correct. Okay. Um, we'll be need to get a voting screen up for this one. Okay. Budget amendment 17120516. Uh this is the amending the budget for the various um projects that were approved by capital outlay as well as the budget and finance committee. They approved the amendments on April 24th, 2025, which leaves the revised estimated fund balances $2,818,90. Any questions on this budget amendment? Motion by Commissioner Morris, seconded by Commissioner D Ford. Ready to vote on this one?

Amendment passes with 18 yes votes. 11B2 uh fund 118 ambulance service fund. This budget amendment 118 202517. This recognized now the ambulance emergency services employees once they receive their required annual training receive a supplement um as the sheriff's department and other entities do. So this came in later in the year um was not included in the original budget. So it has no effect on fund balance. Motion by Commissioner Stubblefield, seconded by Commissioner Watkins. Any questions for budget director? If not, let's vote. Budget amendment passes with 18 votes. Positive moving to 11B3. General fund. This is general fund amendment 101 202518. This is uh restricted funds also transfers and committed that occurred during the year. Uh the section at the beginning that's at the front is uh revenue that's come in and expenditures that are not necessary that we're transferring down to the section in the bottom to reflect the actual cost estimated cost of certain expenditure items. Um this was approved by the commission

the committee budget and finance committee on April 24th. It does decrease fund balance in the general fund by $568,63 which leaves the estimated fund balance at 9,325235. Motion to approve by Commissioner Stubblefield, seconded by Commissioner Reid. Any questions for our budget director? Please vote. Budget amendment approved by 18 yes votes. Thank you for that. 11B5, Highway Public Works Fund. Um, there's one ahead of that 11B4. Did I skip four? Yes, y'all didn't before. Um, this is for the rural capital projects fund. We had uh appropriated 250,000 for the fire department, rural fire departments and the rescue squad. We had uh one that we had an issue with a purchase order. So the money was not spent and we needed to reallocate that money even though it wasn't spent in the proper year. It just moved forward u no effect on fund balance from the prior year. So that is a decrease in fund balance of $44,539. That leaves the new revised fund balance at 3,897,281.

Motion to approve by Mr. Benton Brown, seconded by Commissioner Duncan. Any more discussion or question for a budget director? Let's vote, please. Amendment 11 B4 has passed with 18 yes votes. 11B5 is the next. This is for the highway fund 13120520. This is a decrease in fund balance for the highway fund of $8,476. Uh we're transferring some funds from capital outlay to highway and bridge maintenance and the liability insurance increase of the $8,476. So that is a revised estimated in the highway fund of 1 million580,892. Motion made by Commissioners Stubblefield, seconded by Commissioner Hollinssworth. Any more any discussion or questions for the budget director? Let's vote, please. Amendment passes with 18 yes votes. Next item is 11B6. on the last budget amendment tonight. This is also the rural capital projects fund. Same issue with APO and funding not being appropriated in the correct year and we needed to correct that. Excuse me. This 171 202521 it's a reduction of

41,667 in this fund. the new estimated fund balance 3,8556 $614. Motion to approve by Commissioner Benton Brown, seconded by Commissioner Smith. Any more discussion or question for the budget director? Please vote. Amendment passes with 18 yes votes. Thank you for that. Next item on the agenda, excuse me. Resolution 20250 amending the zoning resolution. It is in your packet. The If you look, there's several things in your packet. There's a uh staff and planning commission uh report regarding this. There is also an attached letter from the Coffee County Farm Bureau in support of this resolution. Commissioner Stubblefield made the motion to approve, seconded by Commissioner Smith. Commissioner Stubblefield, you have the privilege to speak first in discussion. You're good. I'm sorry. What? Commissioner Hman, please state your amendment. I'd like to amend this resolution to remove moratorum upon approval. This resolution is approved. I would like to have the moratorum removed. This is not on that

one. I heard that you wish for the current moratorum to expire upon approval of this zoning amendment resolution. Is that what your amendment is? This is the amendment to change the lot size. Is that correct? That is. It is. That's exactly what amendment is. [Music] We're going to have to vote on. Motion is to amend to that the moratorum. Oh, you're correct. There is not. Thank you. I'll second it, Mr. Chairman. Sure. I do not believe that you can put this amendment in with this uh motion. Uh amendments to motions are supposed to uh modify or change that particular motion. The moratorum was a separate motion. Now with that being said, if this passes or fails of course passes is what you're saying is once it passes there's no need to keep the mortorium going. So if it passes uh then that motion could could come up. Uh if the body is is willing for that motion to come up but it need be a separate motion. We would h we would then amend tonight's agenda by adding a motion to uh for the moratorum to expire if this

resolution obtains necessary votes to approve. Correct. Okay. Uh, anyone I don't see a request to speak. Having done, I want to uh, Commissioner Se. The main motion, you're good. All right. Uh, Amanda Harrington, would you please step to the lecture? I want to introduce to the Coffee County the professional planner that has been retained by Coffee County government. Amanda Harrington is uh from RCS. Did I say that right? RCS consultants. Right now she's under contract with the city of Bailbuckle. She's under contract with the city of Hart Hartzville and Troutdale County. The city of Mchuan, Tennessee, Dixon County, Tennessee, the city of Dixon, the city of White Bluff, the city of Burns, Tennessee, and also Hickman County. She is working on special projects with the city of Centerville, Canon County, and now Coffee County. She is here. If you guys have scanned over her staff report, you can ask her questions regarding the specifics of this, but if you would uh give us a summary review of the staff and planning commission recommendations, please, Miss Harrington, certainly. Thank you for having me here this evening. Um, as you all are aware that was included in your packet this evening, Tennessee loses an estimated 87,000

of far equivalent to 10 acres per hour statewide. A1 zoning comprises a substantial portion of coffee counting agricultural land. Larger minimum lot sizes deter speculative subdivision reduce farmland fragmentation and maintain maintain larger tracks needed for commercial. Larger lots strengthen the county's traditional rural identity. Less intensive development groundwater recharge maintains forest continuity and improves wildlife habitat. The proposed amendment align with county's comprehensive plan especially the goals concerning agricultural preservation rural character and smart growth. The five acre minimum is essential to alleviate the negative effects of pressures in rural areas. The amendment is reasonably related to public health safety and welfare by preserving rural land use patterns and supporting sustainable development. Staff in the county, excuse me, staff in county planning commission recommend the county commission resolution forestry district. I'm happy to answer questions. So I have a couple questions. Is that okay? You're recognized. Commissioner S. So first of all, it says this a staff report. Is this Amanda? Amanda. Thank you. Is this just your staff recommendation or does it include the other members of our planning office? It is mine. Okay. So a lot of good points in here, but I want to drop down to example like point number four. Stakeholders support preservation efforts. Are you telling me that there are no stakeholders that are against this? No, I'm not saying that. So, why would you not include that information?

I mean, it just seems to me that a staff report should be presenting pros and cons, not just one side. I have a little issue with this report that perfectly valid points on here. There are people on Pony's opposing side that also have perfectly valid points. And when it comes across as a staff report, I'm expecting that represents pros and cons so that I can make an informed decision, not a report that is one-sided. That's just some feedback. Um the um well that's that's my main some of these you know I'm not sorry I was trying to find the one up here the that the larger minimum size deters speculation subdivision and fragmentation. Is that always the case that people don't come in and buy a bunch of 5acre lots and also fragment farms because I think that's happened other places. It's it's not possible to always say one. Does anybody have questions for Amanda? technical or otherwise. Thank you, Amanda. At this time, I'd like to recognize uh James Hasku if you would come forward. He's here to speak. He is the executive vice president of Tennessee State Farm Bureau and he's a adamant agricultural supporter and he's here to uh answer questions for you and make a short statement. I appreciate the time with

you all this evening. I'll try to keep any comments very brief. But as I join you this evening, I'll tell you I can't I come from a cousin county, Marian County, just 35 miles southeast of here. And they do not enjoy the privileges that you have as having zone. County is nonzone and in the recent term we have addressed special powers because the county commission wanted to invoke special powers to have the ability to control what develops in the county. I live in a part of the county. We're in a fivemile radius. I have a 5,000 acre development, a sawmill, a large sawmill, two pallet mills, three rocky yards, three churches, and a lot of farmland, and a lot of people that live on small tracks land. So, I'm associated with how the land can get divided up and broke up, but I represent the state of Tennessee through the Tennessee Farm Bureau as their vice president. And I'm not here to tell you that I would be for or against what you all are looking at this evening. I'm just here to give you a few facts from what I see as I travel across the state representing farmers and agriculture leaders across the state. The agriculture is one of the major industries. Of course, it's in the center of the seal of the state. But one of the things we must remember here is once land is taken out of agriculture, it's not going to come back. And that's one of those things that we have to remember. And the governor just this week signed or in the past few days signed the farmland preservation bill. It's not a cure all to the issue of farmland loss, but it would give some

people the opportunity to put some land and set it aside. That bill has been in work for the last 24 months, and the governor has put a lot of effort into that. But we also work towards trying to understand the difference between progress and growth. There's a big difference there. Without progress, we would still be on the coast with Columbus and the pilgrims. But with growth, we must understand that growth comes with casualties. Whether that be the loss of farmland or whether it be the loss of some delicate area in the state. We have to address that as on the county level, a state level. And I think as we work towards that, we have lost track of where we're headed. And I I don't mean that to be condescending like, but I I look at it from this standpoint as I travel across the state. Someone mentioned Williamson County a while ago. Williamson County is one of the hot growth spots in the state, but there it moves farther south now and Murray County is almost as hot as Williamson County. So, as we move along though, let's think back 20 25 years ago here in Coffee County. I know in my county in Marian County 25 years ago there were probably more farmers in the county than there were real estate agents. Now today I'd say the same is of value here in Coffee County. There's far more real estate agents than there are farmers. And so it's a change and it's a dynamic that we've got to start looking at as the agriculture industry. When we talk about a five acre track, well a five acre track years ago was a farm. uh 75 acres is a few minutes now and uh and the the chunks of land that's required for farming is not what it was

35 years ago and farming has become more uh integrated and it from chicken houses to hogs to grains and uh equipment is bigger. The more people that come, they have to address the idea that they don't understand why we have to be here. I live in an area much less rural than you all. I live along I 24 24 and US72 meets in Kimble and I have to travel through that. Wow. All of North Alabama comes my way and everything coming over the mountain that gets off I have to deal with. And we have smaller group and the community is not a oriented as it is here in coffee county but I think that's one of the things that we must remember as we start and continue to look at these changes that's being proposed to you all or by you all just because we make a proposal or just because we make a change it affects the future not today but down the road open space taxation gives the county Easy money. And for years, taxation of real estate across the farmers and rural property owners has generated unbiased profitability to the county. As the more the growth comes, the more will be demanded and counties will have to participate more and more and they will soon figure that the cost of operating the county will be much greater than it was when we had a lot of space in the counties. Even though under green belt it not taxed as much as it could be, it still generates a less expense taxation for you all as county leaders than what you would be in

the future. And that's just something else that we need to keep in mind as we move forward because development is coming. There's more developers. There's more money. And if you'll think as I close out just In Proverbs 28 and 18 and 24 or 28 18-28, it tells a story of the man that goes fast for the dollar, the man that sells for his parents, Americans, and the farmer that has the food to keep. We all need to keep in mind that just because we're all here, we're all Coffee Counties, we're all Tennessans. And I do appreciate your time and I hope I have not wasted it this evening. Thank you. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions? Does anybody have any questions for Mr. Hasku at all? I've served on the land use planning committee and Marian County and uh I'm just pretty active with the state across the farm bureau. It's just pretty important that we keep in mind where we came from and let's not lose track of that. Anybody got questions? Thank you, Mr. Haskin. Okay, the floor is still open for discussion. Nobody wish to speak to this. Uh, Commissioner Surn

Lyn, is your microphone on back? Yeah, I'm sorry. Um, and so there I can see some benefit from that, but there's nothing in what we're doing tonight that stops anyone from walking in and asking for a reason to residential space and thereby being qualified to put a subdivision on. And as I People are saying they don't want subdivisions. Not everybody's saying that, but a lot of people are. Well, if the only thing I got to do is come to the planning commission and request a reszone, having these five acre lot sizes will not in and of itself stop subdivisions. And I think we just need to be honest about that with everyone. I think everyone in the room needs to understand that. And the planning commission's job is to look at our entire county and say if we're going to put subdivisions somewhere, where should they be? And then put on a land use map, a future land use map in the future, this area up and down one of our major highways is going to be for that. And out in the country, it's going to stay. And then you have to have some commitment to that, right? I think we all understand sitting here that five years from now commission new plan commission change all this but I feel like what we're trying to do is stop subdivisions in A1. What we ought to be talking about is where should the subdivisions go and have that future land use map and therefore future zoning set up correctly and that study needs to be going on. That's going to take a while and we should have input from the rural communities. We should also have input from the developers and we should have input from people that want to sell their land. We should have input from the cities and the county and that's what we should be doing during this moratorum period but it's not happening. So we can take this vote tonight. We take the mortorium off and a year from now we'll be back in having the same conversation because somebody will be asking for a for for a reasonzone and they'll get it and then all these people are going to feel like

well you told me there wasn't going to be a subdivision next to my place and now I'm having to come up here and fight again. So that's my concern about what's going on a larger scale. On a smaller scale from the city of Taho's point of view, I have a question about this. So as I understand it right now, any A1 that's inside the urban growth boundaries for the cities will also be affected at a high at first level by this zone. I mean by this zoning change, correct? I mean this Yeah, this zoning change. I would say yes. If there's A1 property the way the resoning res this amendment is written it would be affected but the reasonzoning is in control of the municipality. Yes. Correct. So so then any reasonzoning come instead of coming county anything in the urban growth boundary gets resoneed it's going to come to the Oklahoma regional planning commission if it's in the UGB. In the UGB is what I'm talking about. Yeah. And for Manchester, I think it's the same, but I'm not sure if Manchester is set up the same way that to home is because that's the conversation I was having. Mr. It is the same. Yeah. Uh I'm debating whether to request an amendment to exclude the urban growth boundaries from this because we feel like it may cause us some issues with our planning at the city level. I'm I'm uncertain about that. For one thing, our our planning director not certain what the impact would be to his office if we did that. Uh if we don't do that, if if this passes tonight, we're not certain what the impact is to the cities and the urban growth boundaries. So I'd be Would you like to propose an amendment to this resolution to remove the urban growth? I guess I'd like to hear if anybody else has any concerns or comments about that. I would think any city any

representative from the two municipalities would be the ones with the concern because they represent the appropriate municipalities. So if the urban growth boundary a I think it would be minimal but I mean even as we discussed today has A1 property within their municipal boundaries with five acre minimum lot sizes. So if any city Oklahoma City Mansion. You got request to speak, please push your button. Thank you. Thank you. I would support an amendment for Mr. Seabour. I've I've had brief meetings with the planning commission for the city and I would echo what he says. I believe it's going to cause some problems for our UGBS in the in the future with subdivisions and things that are being planned. All right. I'll make that amendment. A motion to amend this this resolution to exclude the UGB zones from this 5acre. I would second that. Okay. The motion to amend that would exclude because this resolution to amend is strictly for A1 properties not any other properties. So the concern of our municipalities would be any A1 property in the UGB would be affected. So this amendment would be to remove the UGB parcels zoned A1 only. We're not talking about any other district. So your motion with the second is to amend this to where UGB A1 parcels are exempt from this route.

I don't Let's see. I've got one motion, but not a second. All right. This is a motion to amend it. I'm showing on my screen. Y'all working on it? Okay. We all love computers, don't we? Commissioner Saburn has made the motion to

amend. You don't show an amen button on your tablet. I don't either. That's the main motion. Correct. I can we just take a voice vote on the amendment and move on to the main motion as amended. Can we just take a voice on Okay. Okay. All right. We have a motion to amend by Commissioner Saburn, seconded by Commissioner Benton Brown. The amendment is to remove any this this minimum five acre parcel size, lot size would not apply to any A1 district property within the urban growth boundaries of either city. Is that correct, Commissioner Se? That would be any urban growth boundary in the county. Is that only C County, Manchester? I don't know if there's anything. We only have two municipalities. So, well, I thought there I thought there was a UGB around Hillsboro. Okay, that's PGA. Okay, that's plan growth areas. Any more discussion? Uh, Commissioner Surn, you have privilege to speak if you want to. You you probably said everything. You wish to speak any more regarding this? Okay, let's vote on the

amendment. The motion to amend the resolution has been approved by 18 yes votes. Thank you for that. Now we're ready to go back to the main motion as amended. Okay. Now anybody wish to speak? The floor is open for discussion regarding this motion to amend. Commissioner Hodgej. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I've heard many perspectives this evening, but I have yet to hear even since we started this, the whole reason for the moratorum. I have yet to hear what the problem was with the system we had or who wasn't doing their job, who was failing to do their job. I still haven't heard that. I've been watching when I couldn't attend uh the commission meetings uh watching the videos and things like that and I still haven't heard clearly what is the problem with the system we have now. Number two, if there's not a problem with that, who's not doing their job? And uh someone mentioned earlier about putting together a a committee, an ad hoc committee made of members of this uh CLB uh other members from the from the other establishments and citizens in the county and uh if we're going to keep if we're going to keep doing the moratorum, why can we not come up with that committee and uh have that established all parties speaking to this? We do need to be communicating with each other. Uh there's been lots of principles spoken here this evening. uh one of those principles again of uh you know private property rights and uh yeah this does change uh to some extent what

someone can do with their property but uh I I still going back to that commissioner Seaborn I think if I didn't misunderstand what he was saying we haven't heard yet what the pro you know specifically what the problem is with the system we've got right now and so that's my concern uh with this Commissioner Nettles you have the floor to speak. Yes, thank you. I wanted to address uh Commissioner Hodgej. Um I know several commission meetings back you recommended that the commissioners come together with the planning commission to come up with a resolution. You have let yet to come to any of those meetings or participate. You wasn't at the work session. So if you want to hear and be involved, you should come to the meetings. Commissioner Tim Brown, you have the floor. Okay. If you wanting to postpone this, you need to specify a meeting you want to postpone it to. If you just say postpone it for a while, that is considered postponing it indefinitely. And so you you really want to I think you want to postpone it to a specific meeting. So you need to specify that in your motion.

Without a second, your motion fails. Commissioner Hzman, you have the privilege to speak first. You don't have to. Commissioner Hod, you've already spoken once. All commissioners are uh allowed to speak once before any commissioners allowed to speak twice. Commissioner Hirschman, I would just like to say I have been going to every one of the committee meetings that has to deal with planning committee. I've not missed a one since I started going to them. Um, I've learned a lot in them. I learned that these people that are on this committee were appointed and and they have been doing their due diligence to come to a resolve in a resolution. They've had the county farmers, agriculture people, they've had realators, they've had the developers in these meetings every time and they've listened to what they've said and they took that under consideration. They came back with recommendation to us for this and and for us to sit here and keep questioning a committee that's been doing their work and we asked them to sit there and do two meetings a month. They did that. I know because I was there. If you would just get up off your couch and go to their meetings. I know people work. I work. But you can get up off your couch and go to that meeting. They are working hard to get this resolved and I think they've come to a pretty pretty close conclusion to it. But I know that everybody's you're never going to satisfy everybody. But I do know that the people in my community have told me how to vote. And if I don't vote how they tell me, they need to vote

me out. That's exactly what they need to do. [Music] Commissioner Tim Brown, you've already spoke once. Does anybody wish to speak to this? You're Tim, you came to one meeting and that's the only meeting you came to. Okay, we're not going to go back and forth. If you want to speak, you're going to get your speaking in order. uh those that wish to speak to this right now, Commissioner Smith, you have the floor. I would like to add um it's obvious who the commissioners are who have not been to any of the meetings for the planning commission. I too I'm not on the planning commission and I knew that I needed to attend even though it was very difficult for me to be there. I had to leave work early. I made a point to be there. I learned a lot. I saw the hard work that the planning commission has done. The developers, the lawyers, the realators, they all got their chance to speak. The people have told our constituents have given us what they would like for us to vote and that's what we're prepared to do. But again, there are people that are commissioners obviously that have not been to one planning commission nor have they watched it on the video. if they had

they wouldn't ask questions like how big is a major division. So that's all. Anybody else wish to speak before I recognize Commissioner Hodgej? Commissioner Hodgej, you're you have the floor, Commissioner Hodgej. Thank you again, Mr. Chairman. Uh, I've been watching my video because there's medical situations going on. It was questionable whether I could even be here tonight. So, uh, I've been trying to do my best due diligence to watch. But again, in watching these and being able to go back and rewind them, we're talking about a lot of things. But are we saying that the whole problem and the whole moratorum is based on just a five acre uh, you know, specification change? Is that why the whole was done. I mean, I I'm just asking the question, like I said, trying to keep up best I can and watching the videos. Yes, I couldn't be at the meeting. Uh, but uh I tried to be there, try to be here tonight, but uh that that was my question. Not trying to be a smart elk or anything like that, but I you know, is five acre designation the answer to the problem that caused this six-month mortorium? and I haven't heard an answer to that, but apparently it is because here's this resolution. So, that was my concern. Thank you, Commissioner Saburn. Just I'll make a couple final comments and I'll hush. And I think the u some of what I was saying is is is basically reflection what Mr. Hodge just said. Is this all there is? Is this really the full resolution? I think this may be a piece of the solution of some parts, but I don't think it's the solution to all the problems that we're worried about. And

it got asked, it got mentioned in the comments earlier by someone I can't remember who, but making the comment about, you know, what's the criteria going to be for variance? You and I have had this discussion. I think we agree that u I'm sorry I shouldn't speak for you but we've had this discussion about we we were in a habit for a while of approving setback variances almost by default every time but yet if we're approving it every time then it shouldn't be a variance that should be the standard. Uh you shouldn't have to pay a fee to have a variance hearing every time you're doing the standard thing. And we're hearing like even amongst this well we're going to allow some people variance to give an acre lot to their kid. We need a standard for that. We need some standard for that decision. We shouldn't we because to be honest, not I'm not casting dispersions on anybody serving on the committee or the commission. But when you have that sort of situation, it's ripe for corruption. When you just have variances that aren't defined what some of the reasons are, then it just becomes a matter of who you know or who's your buddy or or other favors that could be. So for the sake of keeping things clean and orderly, we need to have some discussion. We don't have to figure that out tonight, but we need to have some discussion on what qualifies for variance. And I would say the same thing even for approving subdivisions request. You know, what's our criteria going to be for a subdivision? To me, it ought to be a criteria that's in an area that's been set forth on a land use map and it's in that zone. But if somebody comes up tomorrow and says, "Okay, well, I'm going to immediately move to now reszone that five acres out in the middle of nowhere to to residential." What's the criteria going to be for evaluating? And it's got to be a fair criteria where everybody has a chance to get what they want and the commission. And I will say that if we have reasonzoning requests that way, that ultimately comes to the

county commission. We're going to get a say. The the planning commission can give an unfavorable recommendation and can be an appeal that comes to us on that. So, we're not out of the hot seat, by the way, passing this tonight, right? That it's going to come back again to us. So, I I just appeal to people to understand that this is not a single fix, whatever it is we do tonight. Thank you, Commissioner Benton Brown. I'm not going to be petty here. I did ask a question last night during the work session about what a major subdivision was. For your information, Miss Smith, I have watched all the planning and zoning uh committee meetings on YouTube. I don't have the luxury of being here at the time specified for the meetings because I do work for the public in another job and uh I'm trying to learn this just like most people in here. That's why we ask questions. So, the next time that you want to out. Do it in private. Anybody wish to speak to this subject while the floor is open? Commissioner Tim Brown. Restate the question one more time.

That's highly possible. Yes. But mayor, wouldn't five five acre tracks make that a major subdivision? Five tracks would. That's what he asked. He was using a lot of fives in there. But you're talking about four five acre tracks would be a M. No, five acres is not a subdivision. Five acres. He said if he went through and bought five by five five acre tracks that becomes a major subdivision because you bought five tracks. No, five acres is not considered a subdivision at all by TCA. I buy five of them together. If you're talking about one parcel or five parcels? Five parcels. Amanda, correct me. Am I right or wrong? All right, let's everybody calm down a minute. I want to give you the definition of a subdivision. It's the division of property. It has nothing to do with a house. Okay. A minor subdivision is a parcel divided into four separate parcels. A major subdivision is one parcel divided into five or more parcels. TCA says a parcel 5 acres or larger is not does not meet the definition of subdivision. You can buy six acre lots all day long. hire Nick Nick Northcut to survey it. Go down to the deeds office and you're done. You don't have to come into the county

office building. 5.01. That's why we have so many subdivisions in this county that are on 5.01. They just want to be sure they had the five acres. Public comment is over, Mr. Herald. Any more discussion on this before we vote on the main motion as amended? Does everybody understand the main motion and the amendment to it? Any more questions? We're ready to vote. We have 10 yes votes, eight no votes. The amendment to the zoning resolution has passed. Now, who wanted to make a motion on the moratorum? Uh, Terry, this would require two motions. The first motion is to add the moratorum to the agenda and that would have to pass. If if it passes to add the moratorum to the agenda, then you can make make the second motion that you were trying to make as an amendment. And the motion to add the moratorum to the agenda requires

a twothirds vote to pass because you're changing the agenda. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to add to the agenda removing the morator. I'll second it. You able to get a voting screen pulled up for that. All right. The motion on the floor with a second is to uh have the moratorum expire immediately. I'm sorry. Yeah, that means we got to have 11 or 11 votes. 12, correct? We are amending the agenda. Was there any discussion on that? Was there any discussion on that?

We could do a voice vote and let it recorded or what you It says resolution amen zoning res. They're they're voting on the main resolution. We've already We've already Oh, I got you. I got you. Okay. How about how about let's move to 11D and everybody vote on 11D. after we get a motion. I don't know how it got to voting without a motion for it. Yeah, we'll do that. All right, guys. We're on 11D. This is a resolution to amend our same zoning resolution because we're reszoning a parcel. This is a prime example how this stuff works. The urban growth boundary of extends all the way 55 till it meets the city limits of uh each of Manchester. So planning commission voted to approve to reszone this individual's property with a positive recommendation. So the motion has been made by Benton Brown and seconded by Commissioner Morris. Is there any discussion on reszoning this property? You got you got the floor to speak to it if

you need to. Mr. Mars, you grab the microphone. You wish to speak to it. Let's vote, please. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. Commissioner Miller, you have the floor. I think I've gotten confused. What are we voting on now? You're reszoning. Huh? Sure. Go ahead. We have experienced technical difficulties. That's what confused me. Right. So the the the motion that Mr. Hzman made about adding the moratorum was was not in the computer and uh so what uh we've decided to do is to dispense with that right or not do that right now. Go ahead and follow what's in the computer and then allow Mr. Hzman, if he still wants to do that at the end of the meeting, add that motion and deal with that issue then. Thank you. That's all I have. Okay. The motion by Benton Brown, seconded by Commissioner Morris, will change the zoning district in which this parcel is lies, which is next to Rose Hill Memorial Cemetery. Any questions? Let's vote, please. This motion passed by 18 yes votes. The property has been reszoned. Okay. Now that brings us to 11E. This is the motion to abolish the position of constable in Coffee County.

I have a motion by Commissioner Hirshman, seconded by Commissioner Stubblefield. Commissioner Hirschman, you have the privilege to speak first. Floor is open for discussion. I've um you know, I've stud I've been to couple meetings with the state about this and attorneys and state attorneys. Right now, my reason for wanting this to happen or or even uh looking at this is because the county is liable if Mr. Sanders or any other conible goes out here and pulls his gun out and happens to make fire that we not being used as a county employee. They are considered our employee and who's going to be liable will be the county taxpayers and I'm trying to look out for the county taxpayers. This is nothing to do with conible. We don't use them for what used to be used back in 1973 and 74 and 75 even into the 80s early 80s. We don't use the conible like they used to be used. And right now to me it's just a liability that we do not have to have upon the county to uh sit there and put the bill forward just in case something does happen. I'm not saying it will ever happen. He's he's already came up with a with a time frame that said it has never happened so far. There's not it's not the time that it could happen. It will happen at some point. It's not anything against constables. I just think that their time come and that time has passed and it's time to make some changes in that area.

Mr. Guzman, Frank Guzman, would you please come to lecture, introduce yourself and uh tell us who you represent, please? My name is Frank Guzman. I am a council constable from Wilson County. I'm on the board of directors Middle Tennessee and I'm here representing Mr. What I'd like to do is I'd like to answer any questions that anyone has here. But before I do that, I'd like to address a few things that I heard the video sent to me. Uh there are 48 Tennessee counties that have constable, not 22. Tennessee Constable Association also owns defund Tennessee constable conference. They have members in 39 of these counties and we can't speak for the other counties because there's an East Tennessee council association here was mentioning that he was concerned about training of the con as much training as deputy sheriff and that's correct. I understand that I am a former special agent enforcement administration starting with the role of federal narcotics going through all the name changes I've been an assistant United States embassy in Mexico City working Mexico prior to that I was a special agent United States air force inspector general

investigations. I I became concerned when the sheriff got over there and was talking about training because the sheriff is allowed to get over there and have special deputies. And under the statute, the special deputies have to have 80 hours of training to work. And it doesn't mention whe 80 hours means anybody who's a police officer coming to work sheriff on special occasions or not. So I don't know. I just wanted to bring that up. But the sheriff being on the board of directors uh was concerned about training. Sitting on the governor's desk right now today as of the 9th of this month was Senate Bill 1065 which is something that I was working on getting the con 128 hours of training which is more than deputy special deputies would have uh I thought that that's something that commission should be aware of the training that they receive. Everybody I've heard mention here tonight about having jobs. Constables do have jobs. Constables are concerned about the community. Uh all county elected commissioners and positions are paid jobs. Constable is not a paid job. A volunteer fireman gets a $600 from the state. Plus, you get many cities or counties or whatnot. grew up itself paying

for most constables members of the police benevolent association or of there's another police organization I'm a member but we're we're insured fire alarm goes off if we shoot somebody give somebody a ticket and they see us. So, we're leaving the county from some of the liability. But the fact of the matter is is that we are employees of the county in the sense that we've been elected. It would be no different on the commission, the sheriff was elected. I'm not trying to pick anything on anybody folks before you ask me any questions you decide to vote to uh eliminate constables. I believe that there's some members of the commission here that under the common law and under a couple of Tennessee codes uh can't serve as a commissioner while they're a law enforcement officer because violation. I'm open to answering any question truthfully. If I don't know the answer, I'll be glad to get over there and say I don't know the answer and I will find you the answer. guys asking questions. You know that's what he's here

for. If you have them. Commissioner Smith, you have the floor. My question goes back to the liability to the county. I I don't understand. Is there liability to the county? If there is, then can we fix it? Is there an insurance uh policy that can include the constables? If if that is the case, I I would like to know what your answer is. First of all, I'm not an attorney. I don't try to be an attorney because that's a felony and I don't want to be arrested. However, most constables carry a certain amount of liability insurance on their own. I cannot speak for anyone other than Mr. Sanders because I know that we both have the insurance. What the insurance does is it gives us an attorney to defend us however whatever the cost. We also carry a particular bond by statute in case we do something wrong usually like that. There are some counties that if they want they can pay the bond. If you can pay the bond, you can also pay the insurance. It can also be tacked on. I was reading on the authority of the sheriff for special deputies. They also have the authority to exchange deputies. And I believe that the statute gets over there and says law enforcement officers

constable are law enforcement officers under the rules of the state of Tennessee. And under these circumstances, it requires that they bring in someone, let's say for exchange officers from another county or you need someone for a disaster, you need as many law enforcement officers as you can, the county can pick up and get insurance for these officers. So, I do believe that the county could perhaps to the sheriff's without giving him liability insurance policy. It's something you have to talk to your insurance. I believe you only got four best of my ability on research. There's never been a coffee town that's been arrested. There have been deputy sheriffs and public officials that have been arrested. That doesn't mean it's not going to happen. I mean, what you're getting is you're getting someone who's doing their best to serve this county and it's free of charge. Now, there are counties. I'll give you an example. Madison County, Jackson, Tennessee. The sheriff there gets along with his constants and he actually has the constables handling all the security. There are other counties where constables and sheriff don't get along. Now, in the six years that I've been

constable, if I recall correctly, the majority of problems with constraint because as a federal agent, one of the things that I saw was that hospitals weren't getting trained. I spoke to the commission and I spoke to my senator and they got over there and they passed 40 hours. You have to understand constip many many years and there's a lot of folks that have been con that human beings. They don't want to have to do this and they don't want to have to do that. But the fact of the matter is times change and you have to change with the times. So we were 120 hours that now has passed both houses and post stepped in and they put a waiver on it that if you've been a police officer for I believe it was five years before you become a constable, you don't have to take the 120 hours. But things have changed. Now constipation just police officer. They have to take 40 hours of training. They have to take 120 hours of training before they can become a constable while holding a full-time job. Now, the thing that's going to happen is this, in my opinion, is what Post has done to stop anybody here from becoming a sheriff unless they've got so many years of police experience. They step in and they say, "You have to

do this training, but you got to get over there and you got to be a police officer to be except What's going to what they've done with passing this this bill is they are in my opinion eliminating council's position unless you have been a police officer. That's what they did. You can't be a sheriff unless you've been a police officer or federal official, federal agent like I was. Commissioner Sabin, you have the floor. Was that an accident? You have anything else, Mr. Goodman? Anybody got a question? I don't have anything else. Okay. There being none, the floor is still open for discussion. If there be none, remember this is a vote that if it does receive favorable vote, it has to be two consecutive meetings to uh take effect. Commissioner Hzman, uh I got a I got one question I want to ask Mr. Sanders. You blue lights on your vehicle? Yes, sir. I do. So, you're a full-time salary uniform officer. Is that correct? I'm a what? So, you're Are you full-time? What do you mean by full paid? I'm retired military and I have a little boat shop and I do according to state of course state of Tennessee. Then you're illegal running red lights on your vehicle.

Blue lights. You what? I am approved to use blue lights. Where? Give me give me what what code you're using. I've just got this from the state of Tennessee. This is right a hot off the press. Only those coniples to who retain law enforcement authority in the following counties may run blue lights. Dicab County, Johnson County, Crockett, Carter, Madison, and Washington. This is Coffee County. Where did you find that at, sir? That is the TCA 55-9-414B. Then pursuant to that before that one which is 55-9-414A only full-time salaried unifor uniform law enforcement officers may use blue flashing emergency lights on their vehicles. So you're telling me that all the con if they have blue lights on I'm not telling you that the state of Tennessee is telling you Commissioner Tim Brown, you have the floor while Mr. Sanders is looking this answer up. 55-9414A and 414B. Okay. The Tennessee codes I don't know 55

This evidently has been put on the books for a pretty good long time. How about dated March 15, 1983? It says a violation of the TCA 55-9-414A section one is a class C m u misdemeanor I'm just reading you what they gave me and this is from the state attorney 55108 55-8 uh as far as blue lights go on the authorized emergency vehicle oper operators vehicle may be equipped with or display a red light only in combination blue light visible from the vehicle but that doesn't get over there and speak to constables under the under the constable chapter it specifically allows constables to have blue lights [Music] I'm having trouble. Can we call the question? I'm going call question. Uh, Commissioner Nettles has called the question. Does that stop debate? Mr. Parlman, I recognize her comment to call the question. We go to vote correct voting screen please remember this takes 2/3 vote two consecutive meetings.

of 101 120 covers patrol cars. Constable patrol cars may be white with brown stripes running horizontal along the upper side. This color scheme should not be used by any other state or local law enforcement official or agency. Provided that any state or local law enforcement official or agency is using such color scheme on March 29th, 1996 may continue to use such color scheme when adopted for use by a county council. other emblems and shall conform to the official uniform markings. That's from conible patrol cars. This is section B. Conable patrol cars which conform to the description subsection A which are being operated provided 559414 and which use emergency vehicles may be equipped with blue lights and or red lights. C. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a county constable from operating unmarked cars for other law enforcement purposes. D. Any conible operating a patrol car using the lights described in this section must have graduated from last calendar date in service sponsored by the Tennessee Constable Association. And I can verify that Constable Saunders was a member of that class because I was also. Thank you. We are voting on this motion to abolish

the office of constable. Commissioner Jones, you need to vote, please. The motion that would be a passes 13 yes, four no, and one abstain. So that is a 23. So, this motion to abolish has passed. Thank you guys. Remember you guys, we got another It's got to be done again. So, show up if you got some good arguments next time prior to the next meeting. Okay, I've lost. All right, we're on 11F grant applications. Motion by Commissioner Hzman, second by Commissioner Hodgej. Any discussions? Let's vote, please.

grant application has been approved by 18 yes votes. Thank you for that. I've lost Oh, yeah. Terry, you need to restate your motion to amend the agenda. Need to make amendment to the agenda. Oh, yeah. We do have one more. It's F F2 11 F2. We'll let you buy this. So motion by Commissioner Hod, second by Commissioner Benton Brown. The man This is another one, right? Separate. Okay. 11F2. Any discussion? Ready to vote. Commissioner Tim Brown, are you voting? Thank you. Motion passes by 18 yes votes. Thank you. At this time I'd like to make a motion to amend the agenda to remove the mortorium. I'll second that. Motion to amend the agenda made by Commissioner Hzman, seconded by Commissioner

Mars. Do we have to state what he's put on? Okay. Men of the agenda to add mortorium does require two/3. Anybody any discussion on what we're doing? Dwight. Commissioner Miller. What is the actual effect of this if we do vote on this? I mean, all you're doing is amending the agenda right now. There not not a controversy, I wouldn't think. Okay, you ready to vote? We're amending the agenda. Have you got I'm good with it. Take two/3. All those in favor of amending the agenda, raise a hand. Looks like twothirds to me. Okay. And now we have an item that's been added to the agenda which is to end the moratorum. Is that correct? That's correct. I make a motion to to remove the moratorum from the that has been stated or installed on the planning committee by the planning committee and this board to uh go ahead and have that removed. 11H The motion is to amend the moratorum. Is there any discussion on that? Because we're going to have to do a show of hands again and this will be a simple majority. Okay. Thank you. Any discussion? You wish to speak, Commissioner Morris?

Oh, all those in favor of the motion to Somebody called the question. You have the floor. Commissioner Miller, this question I wanted to ask earlier is what is the effect of this? It doesn't seem to me like it's going to have any effect. this amendment of killing the moratorum. Madam Speaker, sir, sure. Commissioner Hzman has it for reason why I want to get rid of it is because it's it's it's just on our book and here and right now it means nothing. They've already had 23 different plots go through that office already since for the last 60 days since they had this mortorium installed and which is done zero. So I said get rid of it and it's off. That's why I'm saying get rid of any more discussion on this. Yes. Did I understand uh Mr. Hman that you said that the moratorum that this group agreed to for a 180day period to allow all of the people that wanted to participate in the going ons at the planning or am I understanding that you said the moratorum was ineffective and effect was ignored and that plots were processed through planning. Anyway,

um Steve, could we get you to comment on that? Commissioner Benton Brown, you have the floor. Now that the subject's come up, I'm kind of curious. Uh if that's accurate for what Mr. Hirshman is saying, why didn't the planning commission abide by it? Uh the planning commission I don't think approved anything. Okay. So if there are parcels that are automatically approved by our codes enforcement officer but 20 plus plots went through for A1 zoning that was not supposed to have went through because of the moratorum. Yes. I feel like those were ones that already had their application in. It didn't apply to them. So it was prior to the moratorum, right? They were already applicants were already done. Okay. So I was just making clearing that up because that wasn't said. Okay. There were plots planning that were already in the system. So those were processed, but that should have already taken care of itself. If there's something else in the system, I would think it would put a stop to that right now for the duration up to 180 days unless this commission decides that we in fact want to discontinue the moratorum. Correct. I can tell you if you don't want to vote on it tonight, don't. The planning commission will end the moratorum at their very next meeting because they have the ability to do it. It was in the motion to do it.

So the chair will entertain a call the question to vote on this question. Call a question. We're ready to vote. And this is going to have to be a hands up, right? We need 10 hands up and the mortorium is ended. I see one one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 moratorum has been is now officially over but but it was going to be ended anyway regardless of how this commission voted. Correct. Thank you. At this time, without objection, the 18 commissioners will we will go into recess for an executive session in committee room one. Yes, sir. Double field. Yeah, I know what you

You better start my chief elected and you're saying he's committing an illegal vote in front of all these people and he sat on this commission for two and a half years now formeruts Attorney General that's the only other separation of that police officer. He's not auter We don't have usual association.

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Well, I think the only thing we have left is our standing committees. What are y'all fixing to do? ready to go. Didn't take that long. Hey, you can just go. Don't tell me what to do. You're over here telling me don't be talking. Yeah. Well, talking over there. Well, we make a motion to return. Are we back in session or Okay, we are back in session. I'm sorry.

We are now to uh report from standing committees. Yes. Is that the next thing on the list? That that was that was the next thing on the list. Um I don't have my full list here, but I do have a list of them. I guess we can go budget and finance. That'll be Tim Morris. You have anything? Commissioner Morris, do you have anything? Budget and finance is the 20th at 5 o'clock. Uh we've started going through the budget and uh so we'll meet with Marian on 20th. Okay, let's see. Um health and welfare. Yeah, we're going to be meeting May 22nd, Thursday at 6 p.m. Join us. Okay. Um, Capital Outlay, uh, Capital Outlay will be meeting on June the 5th at 4 o'clock, unless we have a special call meeting, which we don't know yet. We're going to do that. Okay. Um, and let's see, legislative. Nothing to report. Nothing to report there. Um, policy and procedures. Policy and procedures meeting on the 22nd of which is Thursday next week at five o'clock. Okay. And I think we have law enforcement but I think commissioner she said that uh she would make an announcement for the month of June. Okay. Thank you. I think that's all report on any special comm.

Yes, sir. I'm going to make a motion that we uh begin proceedings or proceedings and inform the county attorney. Second, Commissioner Joseph Pod. Can I make a comment, Mr. Mayor? I think the uh probably the proper motion would I don't think this body itself can start ouster proceedings or uh I think what it could do is it could refer the uh the matter to the county attorney for investigation and then if warranted to so you mean refer to investigate for the purpose of aster proceedings. I make the motion that we add it to the agenda. Second.

The item I wish to add would be to uh let the county attorney begin procedures and investigate. the procedures for Joe M. I second that. wanted to appear on the men agenda that we uh turn the attorney loose to go ahead and do the investigation into the ouster proceedings of Joe Mike Hodgej. I'll second that.

wants to make the motion. I think that'd be that would be okay. I do not want to read that. Mr. Chairman, can I think it would be kind of u not appropriate to do that to have a fair investigation in this? Is is it that I would agree on Frank considering the situation we do not need to to give the public any we don't need to make them think we're leaning one way or the other that the when the investigation is complete that all the findings come out together and that anything that we say didn't sway that to the left or the right I just said to investigate the alleged misconduct.

Nope. Hold on just a minute. I also need to make a motion to amend the agenda to add um item of removing uh Mr. Hajj from all committees until this investigation is over. I haven't looked to see if that was that would during the investigation if that would be something but I'll certainly take a look at that. I second it. You could just we could vote on it and if it comes back where we couldn't then he could stay on. Does that make sense?

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