City Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

You all set? Okay. Good evening everyone and welcome to this meeting of the Syracuse Planning Commission. We'll begin our public hearing schedule in just a moment. First though, we have a couple of sets of minutes to act upon. Um the LA we met twice in February and the earlier set of minutes were held so that we could review them at our uh most recent meeting. I think they are ready for action now. And then we have a second set of meeting um meeting minutes also from uh late February. So with that in mind, I will first ask that there's a motion for action on the February 2nd, 2026 minutes that have been distributed to the commission members. Is there a motion for action on those minutes?

I'll move to approve subject to corrections. Second. Discussion on the motion before us. If not, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions, the February 2nd minutes are approved. We have another set. Short month, but we had two meetings. Uh February 23rd minutes have been distributed as well to the commission members. Is there a motion for action on those minutes?

Move approval subject to corrections. Uh yes, I'd like I'll second a motion with uh two additions or corrections to the minutes. Uh the those would occur on pages 19 and 20 with respect to R-25-65 and R-25-66 two subs that are being undertaken by the land bank and the properties in question are being uh funded through the Mood in New York grant. There's 52 units that are going to be funded with it. And so we're going to be continuing to see uh units that are being funded with this grant. I think it's useful to have the name of the grant. So if we could add them in an appropriate place okay with that.

Yes. Accepting corrections. Thank you. Discussion on this motion for action on the February 23rd minutes. If there's no discussion, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Those minutes are also approved. Uh, let me say a word first about our process in case anyone is here for the first time. As each application is called um by a member of the staff, we ask that the applicant or the representative come forward to the podium in the front of the room, provide their name, address, and then their comments for the record. Following any questions from the commission members, we will then issue an invitation to members of the public who wish to speak in favor of that application to come forward to do that providing their name, address, and comments. Similarly, we will extend an invitation to members of the public who might want to speak in opposition to the application. We ask that all speakers contain their comments to approximately 3 minutes so that we can get through all of our public hearings and that everyone who wishes to speak has an opportunity to do that. Where comments are offered in opposition to an application, we'll encourage the applicant to return to the podium and address the comments made in opposition. So with that we are ready to start. I just ask our staff for an update on the agenda uh for any last minute changes.

Yes. Uh one announcement. We have one uh item under old business. The first item that was postponed by the applicant. So, uh, unfortunately, anybody who's here for the 652 West on a Doagga Street renovation project, uh, that has been postponed for the time being again by the applicant. Um, and, uh, we'll see if it gets back on a future meeting, uh, agenda. The applicant said they'd be, uh, back in touch with us soon. Um, so, first on the agenda, another old business item, uh, the greenhouse manufacturing plant project. This is at 2956, 2960, and 2964 East Jese Street. Uh, currently owned by the Greater Syracuse Property Development Corporation. Uh, this is in the MX2 zone district. Uh, there are two projects, uh, companion pieces, a special use permit SP-25-20 and a resubd. Um, we did hear, just to tee this up a little bit, uh, for both the applicant and the board, uh, we did, um, hear this back, uh, last year. Um, and just to make sure I have all the information correctly, we did not perform seeker um, at the time either. So, uh, the item is back before us.

Thank you. So if the applicant is here, please come forward, provide your name and address and a summary of the project that's involved here.

Yes, my name is um Ashoke Bose and my address is 327 Digerson Drive North Camelas, New York 1331. And this is the third time I am presenting my case to the board and I thank you so much for your time. Okay. I'm the founder of sustainable energy and agriculture technology. Today I'm presenting our proposal to develop a 3,700 square ft smart greenhouse manufacturing facility located at 2956, 2960 and 2964 East Genesis Street in Syracuse. The facility will support the development and assembly of smart greenhouse systems which basically that innovative structures designed to combine greenhouse engineering with sustainable energy technologies. Our goal is to support local manufacturing and innovation in sustainable agriculture and clean technology. The project aligns with several priorities of the city of Syracuse, including sustainability, economic development, and neighborhood revitalization by activating currently underutilized properties. This project aims to contribute to the local innovation ecosystem while maintaining compatibility with the surrounding community.

SC80 which is abbreviation of the sustainable energy technology has also been engaged with the inspire innovation hub at center state CEO where our work has focused on advancing clean tech and agriculture tech innovation. We have received a formal letter of support recognizing the potential of this project to contribute to the region's economic and environmental goals. We believe this project represents a meaningful opportunity to introduce sustainable technology manufacturing into Syracuse while supporting the city's broader goals of innovation and community development. Again, thank you so much for your time and consideration and I hope the board will be able to vote on this today and we can move forward to our project where we can help with hundreds of thousands of students and the community member to achieve the goals. Thank you.

Thank you. Are there any questions from the commission members for the applicant?

Uh sure. Uh so you as we discussed before this is a very interesting project u unique and it it meets the criteria for a special use permit in that particular site. Uh we've held it previously because there were concerns raised by the neighbors and we wanted to give you some time to address those concerns to see if there are any additional issues etc. There were two issues I think in particular that came up. I mean, one had to do with concerns of some of the residents on the other side of Meadowbrook about the visual landscape and whether screening would be adequate, etc. The other type of concerns were was about its impact on traffic on East Jese Street and its potential impact on Nottingham High School. Now, it's my understanding and I guess I I'm asking you if you could just sort of review this in terms of the traffic issue. you're basically looking to produce one unit a week and the other traffic would be materials traffic that may come in once a week or twice a week at the most. Uh so I'm just wondering if you could speak to the traffic issue on East Jese Street.

Yeah, I can assure you one thing sir is that right now the traffic that I have seen during the peak time as well as the non non-p I have not lived there but I've I visited that many times. the the stores and the gas stations what they create the traffic our traffic will be significantly less than that traffic caused by the um other businesses that already operating over there. Okay, having said that the regarding the noise level, this is a completely indoor operation and we we can assure you that again I have I you know we we we have a proposal and and a an action plan how to mitigate all the noise level so that it doesn't impact the existing neighborhood and so forth.

Additional questions for the applicant. Well, because it's been a few months since you were here, could you remind us how you're going to have materials delivered? What time of day? Because I know there was concern from the neighbors about the hours of the school nearby would be bringing kids to and from school. Could you tell us about when your materials are delivered?

Yeah. So and again I did have an opportunity to talk to the neighbors on November 15th uh in a coffee house and which is very useful and we shared our concern their concern and we addressed it right which is really very good suggestions from the board. I really appreciate it now our main materials will be woods and the glasses. These are things right now what we have done in the past like when we are building construction on site right they deliver all the woods in one block right in one it's not the continuously right and we again based on the data that we have in the past production right we do not think that we'll have to have delivery of the woods or glasses every day it will be probably once a week and the our shipment that we would like to do it probably initially it will be probably once a week as we but in the future if again if our production demand goes up we'll be probably doing more but not um I I think that to address the concern about the the traffic and the safety of the school we we which we took very seriously because my own son is still attending a high school, right? And I go every day to another, you know, Westgen high school is that we wanted to make sure that we can work with the school system and make sure that during the time when the actually the school starts and the ends that we do not have any kind of interruption or any disturbance in the local that's the way we like to mitigate the issue.

Thank you. additional questions. So, I just have one or two last minute questions. Sorry. Can you I just want to confirm the operational hours are Monday through Friday maximum 8:00 a.m. to 5:30 as maximum operating hours. Is that correct? Yes. That that is exactly the operating hours that we we envision. Okay. No more.

Right. And then the delivery of materials. We had, I believe at the last hearing discussed three deliveries per week maximum. And everybody coming and going from the site will turn right to go east rather than waiting to try to get out to go left, four or five lanes of traffic. Is that still in the plan? Yeah, we we we can put a sign on the exit of the of the building. Yeah. Yeah. Right turn only. Yes. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. Provide your name, address, and comments. Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? So, please come forward. Uh, give us your name, please. Address and your comments.

Good evening. Excuse me. I'm Donna Stoner. I live at 206 Hurlebert Road. So, looking out my window, I can pretty much see the property we're talking about. Um, these are all my notes, letters that I have sent you and Nate and the zoning office over the last several months. So, I don't want to get into the weeds about parking and lefthand turns and righthand turns. I want to thank Mr. Bose. He has been entirely gracious, but my our key point is this is a totally inappropriate application, and were it to be applied for today, it wouldn't make it past Nate's office. you guys, the city, excuse me, undertook a huge project to redo the zoning ordinance for the entire city and then even amended that which made the restrictions on this property even stricter, I think, just a few months ago. So, to my way of thinking, we should be supporting Mr. Bose. We hope he will be successful. I don't think we should be talking to him about people can't come before 8:00 or after 5:00. That's not realistic. We want him to grow and thrive. These are beautiful green houses. They deserve his business deserves to be supported in a place where it belongs. It does not belong in an area where you're making an exception. And there are plenty of businesses right there in that strip that we're talking about that are vacant. Um there's a lot of trash and traffic and kids that I'm very concerned about, but that's not my main concern. concern. My main concern is it never should it never should have been entertained to begin with. Um, and I I take exception with this statement that it's compatible. I do not think it's compatible at all. The businesses that are there now initially were established to serve that Bradford Hills neighborhood and people who are traveling east after work to stop and

get gas or something at the convenience store. We've made some exceptions that I think are unfortunate and I think it would be really unfortunate to approve this. I think you're going to stifle Mr. Bose. His deser his business deserves to grow. That place is not the right place. Thank you.

Thank you. Other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. Just provide your name and address and then your comments, please. My name is Louise Magnarelli. I live at 204 Herbert Road. Um, and I also have a site in my site, the site that's in question. I'm basically just here to reiterate what I had said last year and to support Donna. I don't think that we need to regurgitate everything all over again. I am um very impressed with Mr. Bose. He is a very gracious man and took a lot of time to talk with us. However, none of it really uh allayed the concerns that we had. So, I just I fall back on those concerns and also the um the fact that uh the zoning wouldn't take place or the this application wouldn't even be entertained right now if it was today. Thank you.

Thank you. Other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. I don't see anyone else rising to speak. Um, Mr. Bose, where are you? You you have the opportunity to address the comments made in opposition as I indicated at the outset. Uh, if you wish to do so. Okay. Thank you. Then we'll close public comment on this. Um turn our attention to the application. We have two-part application, the resubdivision to act upon and the special use permit and the seeker. Sorry, I got it here.

Here we go. All right. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packets? Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Does anyone on the board believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect with regard to seeker? I make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second. Thank you both. Discussion on this motion for seeker action. If there's no discussion on this, then all in favor of the seeker motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions. Seeker motion carries. And we may now turn our attention to the uh substance of the two proposed actions before us. one the reubdivision and two the special use permit uh which will take the form of a recommendation going to the common council. First on the reubdivision R24 R234. Is there a motion for action on this?

Due consideration application staff analysis comments from neighbors and the discussion during this hearing and previous hearings. I make a motion to approve application R-25-34 as presented with one condition. One condition being that the applicant shall file the resubdivision map in the ondown county clerk's office within 62 days of approval of the resubdivision. Second. Thank you both. Discussion on this motion before us for the resubd.

Uh correction on that. It should be upon special use permit approval. I'm sorry. It should be stated that that it would be upon special use permit approval. Just for the record, the 62 days is upon special use permit approval. Yeah. If that once that if and when that gets approved, that's the window. Right. Un understood. Correct. Thank you. Second or good with that language. Good with the correction. Yes. Okay. This additional discussion. If there is no further discussion, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions. That was the resubdivision. Next comes the special use permit SP 2520. The board's action on this either way will go in the form of a recommendation to the common council for final disposition with regard to that special use permit. Is there a motion for action on this?

Uh, yes. Thank you. In consideration of the applicants application staff analysis, comments from neighbors and discussion during this hearing and previous hearings, I make a motion finding the application for SP-25-20 in compliance with the special use permanent criteria in section 5.4-B 7A through H and recommend approval by the common council uh with uh the following eight conditions. Uh the first condition is the applicant shall comply with general conditions for approval of special use permit applications and just reiterate uh that this is a recommendation to the common council for affirmative action. Uh so one the application should comply with general conditions for approval of special use permits and then seven additional uh conditions. Two applicant the operations shall be conducted entirely indoors. No outdoor manufacturing material processing or storage shall be permitted. Three, landscaping shall be installed and maintained in good condition as shown in the site plan. Four, uh, loading activities shall be limited and designated in in designated loading areas on the approved plan and shall not occur within the public rightway or adjacent street uh adjacent residential street. The application, the applicant shall apply with the uh submitted landing, loading and unloading operation plan, air quality control plan, and noise control plan as part of this approval. Six, the special use permit is granted solely for the per proposed greenhouse manufacturing operation classified as manufacturing general land use type. Any changes to the different manufacturing use or any condition, any modification that increases the intensity of operation shall be prohibited. And seven, any uh modification to the approved

manufacturing process, equipment and operational uh intensity shall require additional zoning review and approval. and eight, the proposed business shall strictly follow the operation hours which are deemed appropriate by the city planning commission and the common council. And those uh last seven conditions are important because they all refer to uh concerns that have expressed about the uh about the property. It's important to note that if the conditions are in violation uh are are violated, then the special use permit may be revoked. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. discussion on this motion before us. Go ahead. No, go ahead.

No, you go ahead. You're the seconder. I actually had a question for staff about the the intensity of the use since we began reviewing this in October 2025. Has there been a change in the permitted use in this location? Yes. So, the prior round of amendments to the zoning code uh would no longer allow this uh at this location, but this application was complete and submitted prior to those amendments taking effect. So, we have to go off the code at the time of that application when it was deemed complete that code allowed it.

Yes. Okay. Thank you. But, uh, to point out, uh, to Commissioner Lent's, uh, conditions that he just read in, I believe it's number six, which emphasizes that, uh, manufacturing general use for greenhouse manufacturing. So, it's it's basically locking it in for that use only. Nobody else could buy it and change it to do something more elaborate or bigger without additional approvals. Thank you.

It is condition six, correct? And then um staff is recommending that possibly some of the operating um hours and some of the other features mentioned are added as conditions. Um and to note that uh in response to some of the comments, these things can be revised if ours needed to be expanded. He could always come back and ask for approval.

So I was going to ask the maker and the secondary to consider what would essentially be which are the facility operation points from the staff report which address the operational hours of Monday through Friday and the maximum number of deliveries and shipments. Okay. So the hours is in condition eight

already mentioned uh the delivery issue is not. So that would be condition nine. Okay. Well, to clarify though, I think I believe it says uh at the discretion of the planning commission. So, you're we're adding the details that you're con you're either going to add the explicit hours that were listed by the applicant or something different. But, um I think you need to detail that in the condition, the exact hours that you're approving. Condition eight. Condition eight is the hours approved by commission and the common council, right? Which are deemed appropriate. We're saying I'm saying can you We add 8 to 530 as are deemed appropriate. Okay.

Except there's a friendly amendment. Okay. Except as a friendly amendment. Yes. Further discussion on this motion. If there's no further discussion, then all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? SP 2520 is approved as a recommendation going forward to the common council for final disposition. Our next application, please.

Right. Jumping into new business. Uh, first up is a resubdeen a owner applicant Steven Schwart. This is in the R1 zone district. Good evening. My name is Steve Sport. I live at 106 Gene Avenue, Syracuse, New York 13210. And the project is simple to combine the two lots that we own, their adjacent properties. We want to build an addition across the a lot existing lot line to add a first floor bathroom and um master u bathroom, master bedroom, and bathroom for retirement years. So, we don't have to worry about going up downstairs for retirement years. It's simple as that. No required external uh extra um public services, no extra buildings, just that

questions for the applicant. I don't have any questions. No questions. Thank you. I just curious there's a very small sliver at the end of your second lot. I believe it's owned by the city. Am I correct? Okay. As far as I know. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yes. I just wanted to clarify that I had the right cut. Thank you for your time. Hey, thank you.

I have a question, I guess, for for staff. Just out of curiosity, uh just looking at the uh the the map that's on page 87 of our packet, I'm looking at uh property 98. I'm just wondering, is that is that likely to become a uh an orphaned property? Is that buildable? Just out of curiosity, looking at this particular block, I think it is. I looked it up. No. Yeah. Um I I don't know um if there's infrastructure there or why, but yeah, clearly it would have to meet the

uh dimensional standards for a lot for anything to make it useful. So, uh, it looks pretty small. Yeah. I mean, do you know anything about that lot? Who owns it or what? I think it's the cities as far as I know. City owns it. I may buy it at some point, but it's just there. FT wide by 90 ft long. There's nothing there. Just woods. And it's kind of trees and brush. It's wild. Right. Right. Thank you. Additional questions for the applicant or staff?

Okay. Thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. Provide your name, address, and comments. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. We have apparently no additional speakers for this application. We'll close public comment, turn our attention to our seeker review. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes.

Does anyone on the board believe that the proposed action will have a moderate large impact under SECRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second. Thank you both. Discussion on this seeker motion before us. If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying I. I.

Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? The seeker motion carries. And we may now consider action on the reubdivision itself. That is R 2546 on Gene Avenue. Is there a motion for action on this? In consideration of the application, staff analysis and the discussion during this hearing, I make a motion to approve application R-25-46 as presented with one condition. One condition being that the uh map of the resubdivision needs to be filed in the Andy County Clerk's office within 62 days of approval in order to take effect. Second.

Thank you both. Discussion on this motion for the reubdivision? If we have no discussion, then all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions. R2546 is approved. We move to our next application. Another reubdivision R-25-69 at 1075 and 1079-81 West on Adog Street. Owner applicant, Greater Syracuse Property Development Corporation. This is in the R5 zone district.

Evening. I'm Terry Luckett from the Syracuse Sand Bank, 1941 South Selena Street. Um here we're merging 1075 West Anadaga Street. It's a vacant single family house that we're um going to be selling to it sale pending to an owner occupant. Uh the adjacent vacant lot at 1079 is a 40 by 95 foot. So almost conforming but non-conforming vacant lot. Uh we considered reserving that lot for our movein New York program but it's steeply sloped from the street and require would require walls to get a driveway in there. Um it it becomes cost prohibitive for new construction. Um and we thought that merging it with the vacant house would make it more attractive to for sale to an owner occupant. So and it did. So,

and you have a potential buyer, right, Terry? We do. Great. What's the condition of the vacant house? Of the vacant house. All of our houses are a mess. Yeah. Okay. But they're going to rehab them. Okay. Further questions for the applicant.

Okay. Thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments. We have no additional speakers apparently. We will close public comment and now turn our attention to the seeker review for this reubdivision. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet?

Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Does anyone on the board believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SECRA? No. No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second both discussion on the seeker motion.

If not, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Uh secret motion carries for R269 and we may now entertain a motion for action on the resubdion itself. Is there such a motion in consideration of the application staff analysis and discussion during this hearing? I make a motion to approve application R-25-69 as presented with one condition. The one condition being that the application for the reubdivision needs to be filed in Tony Kirk's office within 62 days of approval in order to take effect. Thank you. Second.

Thank you. Discussion on the motion before us now for the resubdion of R269. If we have no discussion, then all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? R 2569 is approved. Our next application, please. Couple more resubs here. Next up is R-2026-5 at 346- and 348 Elm Street. Uh Seth Ruckled is the owner applicant. This is in the R2 zone district.

Is the applicant here?

Okay. Um, we did make uh contact with uh the owner. So perhaps they're running late. What what I suggest is maybe we just move on from this if he Yep. gets here before we finish. Um, sounds good. Can revisit it. Let's do something different. Let's do another another reubdivision. Uh, one more resub. Uh, R-2026-6 at 205 West Kennedy Street. This is in the R2 zone district. owner applicants, Eugene Akens and Marilyn Aikens. Who was the applicant here? Great. Good evening.

I'm Eugene Akens. I live at 205 West Kennedy Street, 13205. And the application is for the property at 205 West Kennedy, which has an adjoining lot next door. And the request is for the division of that property so that the the home the lot that the home is on can be sold separately from the lot that is uh adjacent and vacant. That's it. That's it. Thank you. Questions for the applicant?

Good. Not then. Are there any individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come to the podium providing your name, address, and comments. Is there anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to the application? Please come forward. I don't see anyone rising to speak. Uh we will close public comment on this application and turn our attention now to the seeker review. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet?

Yes. Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Does anyone on the board believe that the proposed action will have a moderate tol large impact under SRA? No. No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration.

Second. Thank you. Discussion on the seeker motion for the West Kennedy Street Resubd. If there's no discussion, then all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker motion carries. And we may now consider the resubdivision itself. This is R2026-6 at 205 West Kennedy Street. Is there a motion for action on this? In due consideration of the application, staff analysis and the discussion during this hearing, I make a motion to approve application R-2026-6 as presented with one condition. The one condition being that the applicant shall file the resubdivision map with the county clerk's office within 62 days of approval in order for it to take effect. Thank you. Is there a second?

Second. Thank you. Discussion on this motion for the resubdivision. If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying I.

I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Excuse me. The resubdivision for R 2026-6 is approved. We'll move to our next application. Next up, we have another reubdivision, but it has a companion zoning map amendment. Uh, this is at 900 and 910 Belleview A. Uh, again, the Syracuse Land Bank. Um, this is in the R2 and R3 zone district. Uh, 900 uh is in R2 and 9 10 is R3.

Hello. Again, Terry Luckett, Syracuse Land Bank, 1941 South Sena Street. Um, Gabriel Diaz owns the single family rental at 910 Belleview. A uh that property is zoned R3. It's a single family. The owner would like to purchase the adjacent vacant lot on the corner at 900 Belleview, and that's zoned R2. Mr. Diaz would like to purchase the property to fence it in uh to prevent cutthroughs from Malcolm Street um and to install a driveway for his tenants. Installation of the driveway requires a reubdivision and the reubdivision requires that the zones be the same. So, we're asking that um Mr. Diaz's property be changed to R2, which is similar to other zones on that street.

Questions for the applicant on this? The fence in question is is going to be where? He's going to fence in the property, the whole property or Yes. That Malcolm Street, when you look at the map, it looks like it comes through, but it doesn't. It's all wooded there. Yeah. It's weird that it shows that way on the street and people are cutting through from Malcolm across that property. Got it. Thank you. Additional questions for the applicant. All set. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. And is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? Please come forward. Provide your name, address, and your comments. We have no speakers apparently for this application. So, we'll close public comment, turn our attention to the seeker. Yeah, similar. We'll do seeker for both and then individually go through the zoning map amendment first. followed by the resub for action.

Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Does anyone on the board believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SECRA? No. Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second.

Thank you both. Discussion on the seeker motion. If there is no discussion, then all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker. Motion carries. And then just for clarification as well on these two additional steps, um the zoning amendment will ultimately be um a decision for the common council. So, our action will take the form of a recommendation to be presented to the council. Um, and the resubdivision would be our normal

action. Yeah. And similar to a couple items ago, the resub would be contingent on the approval for the uh zoning map amendment. So, the 62-day window similar. Okay.

Similar case. So with that in mind, is there a motion for action on the zoning map amendment? This is Z2917. Yeah. In consideration application, staff analysis and a discussion during this hearing, I make a motion to approve application Z-297 as presented uh with a recommendation to the common council for affirmative action and one condition. And that condition being the applicant shall successfully file the map at the county clerk's office of application Z-2917 within 62 days of approval by the comment council. Second.

Thank you both. Discussion on the motion before us for the zoning map amendment. If not, all in favor of this motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? That motion carries. And that we'll proceed to the common council now for final disposition. And in related fashion, is there a motion for action upon the resubdivision? This is R 25-67.

In consideration of the application, staff analysis, and discussion during this hearing, I make a motion to approve application R-25- uh 67 as presented with one condition. That condition being the applicant shall successfully file the resubdion map with the county clerk's office uh within 60 days of approval of the common council's approval of Z-29-17. What he said? Second. Thank you both. Discussion on this motion? If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? R 2567 is also approved and contingent upon the zoning map amendment change. Um we move on to another application. Uh next up is a major site plan review MASPR-25-37. This was a originally a minor site plan application that was referred uh by myself as a zoning administrator to this governing body uh for further review and for public comment. So uh this is at 5300-02 South Salena Street. This is in the MX1 zone district.

Is the applicant here? Oh, here you are. Great. Hello. How are you guys? Good evening.

Good evening. My name Ahmed. Um I'm uh the owner of uh 530-2 South Salina. Um I drive 7 hours to meet you guys and meet everybody. Um I'm investor. I have a family on New York Syracuse. I was um driving by and I found a old building sitting for four years um like very bad inside outside grass everywhere. So we found opportunity to make a move and do more investigate about it. And we found that building it's been approved to be a tile uh shop like a tiles um display and they get the permits but they never get move on and do the business. So we own it and we look for good tenants who will take care of the area and make make the area look better since this is my intention to have that building for. So um on the lease or the agreement anyone who come to the building we bit big notes like this no tobacco no cigarette because we get we talk to the resident there and they are there is a lot of kids and a lot of people there and we decide no one will open tobacco or cigarette shop and it's against my religion too. So we decide to boast it there. So one of the tenants he came and we make agreement and we shake hand and we do the contract. We uh make the agreement to um make uh coffee and deli shop and we get to the councils. We talk

to a lot of people. We meet a lot of gentlemen here and we agree for that. It looked like on behind my back or behind our back he was applying for cigarette shop. Cigarette cigarette shop like a tobacco tobacco. Exactly. Um so the minute we

the minute we know about it, we terminate the contract. We lost $20,000 to kick him out of the building right away. We hire a lawyer. We have like six months between back and forth with this guy. No more. like we need you out. So he refused because he say he have the right to be there but on the lease he don't have the right to open a tobacco and cigarettes. So we explain that to the court finally we get the building back. So when we get the building back again, we spend money, make it better. Um, clean everything, fix the gutter, fix the roofs, like clean everything, make it look amazing. Like after 4 years of nobody there, of course, building will get like look sad, look like terrible, need maintenance, you know. I hire people from 7 hours away to come and clean the building, cut the grass, maintain everything. Uh we have eight parking lots in the back. Um these all the time shiny look good. Um end of the day we found a company called um um Warner Roofing. So it's a same same um same business the tile it's a showroom. So what those people they will do they will come to your house and they will make agreements and they say hey you need a service your roof bad not bad shake hand we write a contract with our salesman's and they will ship the material to you so there is no storage 8 to 5 uh there is no traffic no weekends um no weekends work like at all because it's a salesman's so there is no actual uh people will do any any contractual job on the side. Um we talk about make it look be better and maintain like

buying a concrete uh uh like a flower beds you know like put them in front but at this time we don't have anybody there to maintain that right now until hopefully we get approval and we move on and what I'm telling everybody just give us a chance you know let's approve this building it's it's been it's been empty for almost eight years or six years

complete We pay tax. We are on maintenance. Fix the heat, fix the water, all that stuff. It's a lot of money. A lot of money. And I try to pick the right people to not bring trouble to the community, to the kids. We have kids. We have I have five kids. So, I try to be like I try to be one of them, you know, and we got we met a lot of people like when we when was there cleaning and stuff, people stopped by and ask us what we going to do. And we explain to them as much we can. They say we are refusing to do uh tobacco and cigarette shop. You know, I say I'm with you guys. Maybe somebody will come here and ask. We refuse. We refuse right away. Even in the lease, in the lease agreement, no tobacco, no liquor store at all. Um what I'm asking everybody here, I'm asking please give us a chance to approve that property has a lot of potential. It has a lot of nice review areas, customers going to be around the neighbors, a lot of people having roofs replacement. So this guy, he's going to maintain and going to have salesman goes around and ask people and community. And of course, if you live in the same area, he's going to take care of you since you guys the neighbor. So thank you for everybody. Please let me know if there is any questions.

Okay. Thank you. Are there questions from the commission members? Yes, I have a question. On page 207 of the packet, um there it shows the in interior design and there's two tenants spaces. Yes. Uh so the showroom is going to be one of those. The other tenant space will be available or so the first space which is 1,000 square foot. This is where will be the shelves, flooring shelf for the material. The other uh side it will be uh like a meeting room. We will have a big large tables with like 12 chairs. We will going to meet with customers and other teams like um sometime we have sidings and roofing, right?

We get together and we talk about jobs like this. So it will be a meeting room for the jobs. Okay. Good. So all of the use of the space inside will be for the show the showroom operation, right? There's no other Okay. Yes. Single tenant and there's just one single tenant. Yes. One single tenant. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're not we're not doing he he have the whole use of the building. So before it's a two location but he decide he want it all. He want it to be one single business. Okay. Good. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other question? Additional questions? All set. Thank you. Okay. Thank you guys.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward, provide your name, address, and then your comments. Uh hello, my name is uh Maj Maliti and uh I have a business downtown. It's uh 341 Salana Street, so it's not too far away from uh the property. And uh um I met uh with the do with the business person who's going to be putting his uh roofing company there and he's he already has a business in uh Watertown and another business in Udica and he's just looking to expand and uh you know he was he's seen the spot and he really loved it how how spacious it is and it's right in the center where kind of Udica and um not Udica sorry uh or Watertown and his his other spot. Sorry, I'm a little nervous. And uh you know, I I spoke with him multiple times, had multiple meetings with the neighbors, too. You know, they're very nice. They they always come uh and we have conversations all the time. A lot of the neighbors are misinformed and they they believe that something else is going to be there and they're, you know, they spread maybe misinformation when it's not uh that's not the case. um this person that's going to be coming the uh and putting his business there. He's very happy. He literally said he wants to grow the community. If anyone else, you know, needs roofing help, siding help, he'll he'll go give them quotes for free. He'll he'll uh give them everything at his cost. Um he's he's you know, he said, "I want to work with the community because it's going to also bring me business in the center of, you know, where he can have meetings with people for sighting, have meetings for uh his roofing company." So, he's very excited for it. And, you know, as time goes on,

he's he said some neighbors will come over and they're very uh they're they're angry with him and he doesn't know why. And when he hears their side, uh they believe something else. They believe that something else is going to go there that's going going to damage the community. It's not going to bring up the community. It's gonna damage the area around them. Um and you know, speaking when after he talks to them, they're like, "Oh, sorry. I didn't know that." and they apologize and they're very excited that he's he's going to open there. So, um kind of I'm kind of here just saying just, you know, give us a chance or give him a chance. You know, he's uh he's looking to help the community, uh grow the community. It's not it's he's not looking to damage it or affect it. Um I also spoke with him multiple times and uh you know, he's very excited. He's just you know, keeps getting delayed and um denied and stuff like that. that's what he's telling me on his part and he doesn't know why. So, um I don't know kind of uh my point is uh just I guess be patient with us or him. Sorry. Uh thank you very much. Sorry.

Thank Thank you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak in favor of the application? Please come forward, provide your name and address and then your comments.

Yes. Hello. My name is Zana Bibby. Um I'm at 310 Eman driveless. um 1331. Um so yeah, I just want to make a comment saying I believe that it will bring value to this community. You know, a roofing company I see is a good thing to have in a neighborhood such as this one. um you know um and like I heard that you know he'll be like you know giving uh he's willing to work with the surrounding neighbors and um you know um he's hoping to just make it look better and that's in the vision of what that place is for just bringing you know um betterness to the community. So I hope you give us a chance and thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you. Other individuals who may wish to speak in favor of this application, please come forward. Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? If so, please come to the podium, provide your name and address, and then your comments.

Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Lonnie Johnson of 5217 South Salina Street.

So, it would be nice if the person that was going to rent the place was here. That's number one. I'm under the impression that it is going to be a ruse of a place saying that they're going to put in a um roofing place or for materials or whatever, but then something else will come in after. There are three entrances to the building. made mention of two of those places to be used for the business that has been proposed. What's the third going to be used for? Two of the doors in the space listed as tenant two on the screen lead into the same open area. Okay. And then the first one

Yeah. I mean he can speak to it but Yes. So can I Yeah, you can go ahead. So this building here it's have two space number one which is let's start with here it's about 1200 square foot all the way it has enter has enter they go to each other so from here to this side there is an offices and store unit so there is no other third building or third office those two they bring you to that space okay to the area

like it's open area huge like the whole property uh it's a 3800 square ft that's about 2,800 here 1,200 here so what I'm saying here there is you see there is three doors in the front correct but both doors they open for one he will be using space he will use all of it

all of it there is not any hidding in the back. There is no like a roofing then end up somebody sell to back in the back. There is nothing and of course they going to be we going to be monitor from the city. They will monitor that. Imagine people do secret job in the side. You know this is not not good. It would be bad for everybody. Bad for me bad for everybody. The reason the reason we are bringing this business here we talk to a lot of people. Okay. We we try to bring the something we get we get approved for deli and coffee shop. We say okay we don't want to deal with raps we don't want to deal with people sitting there after midnight you know we like okay let's cancel that let's bring somebody you know how many application we have for multiple people multiple businesses we pick the roofing company it will have time in time out easy clean they will you know how many time this guy the one we we talk about him I don't want to bring him here it sounds like sounds to me like I have to like present everything and I promise you he's a nice guy. He clean the property when it snow like in two feet. Every week he go and clean it. Still he's not there but he go clean the property. He make it look good. In the front remove that snow. In the back remove the snow. What I'm saying if he if he if he will be there only one business. There is no confusing. There is no games behind. There is no sign will be in the back. We sell tobacco in the back. That's a bet. That's that's that's it. City will be there and they will shut it down. I will shut it down. I promise. Any other question?

And oper operation hours would be

8 to 5. 8 to five and they will be nice salesman people like you will see that like in and out nice people meeting with with a lot of homeowners like homeowners like what happened when when you have a bedroom okay people knock on the door sometime people advertise that people have a cell phone number you can call they will send a guy to your house like hey listen we will do this if you like come look at the material they have siding they have shingle m They have they have a metals which is seamless. So all these has a small samples on the property. It will be like floating shelves here. They will show you this is what we're going to use. This is the ice and water shield. This is the nails we're going to use. If you sign agreement with them, they will ship the material to your house

with with respect. Yes, please. I'm not too worried about the aesthetics of the building. I'm worried about the traffic. I'm worried about the garbage. I'm worried about, you know, the impact that it's going to have on the area with the there's CL there's schools around there 100% and there's children, plenty of children. So, we have eight parking space in the back. So, Salina will not see any traffic. People will take the the filter and it will go behind the building. Do you guys have a picture? I'm familiar with the building. I'm familiar with

people doesn't like I want to explain maybe show them the parking lots. So we have eight space like huge eight space handicap and we have regular parking lots in the back. So what I'm saying if there is a traffic it will be in the back. You guys will never notice anything. It's not like so you see you see all this this is a parking space. It's eight spot two of them handicap. So let's say if this guy I drive by and he have a garbage outside. This is my responsibility to coach him and say, "Hey, listen. I'm not allowed you to do that and I will charge him to clean the garbage." But would you think a business owner, he invest $100,000 in this building, will throw garbage outside? I don't think so. I don't think he will like if he come to your side and replace your job and leave garbage behind. That's he should not be in the business. He should not working there. This guy, he should not have his It's been almost It's been almost 15 years in this business. I look at his review almost five five star reviews, which is very hard to get five star reviews because it's very hard to make everybody happy. What I'm saying, this guy, if he come to your house and found garbage behind his job, why why you hire him again? So, he lose business. Somebody will say this in the review. Hey sir, you left a garbage behind you or you have a property half million dollar you leave a garbage in the front. But this is also the city. City almost every day drive by if they see something they will notify us. They will violate they will put violation on this guy. We skip one day cutting grass. I have a contractors who go cut grass. We skip almost one week like they come every week. I have a notification say hey you guys didn't cut the grass. So what I'm saying city drive everywhere

like like give us a chance and I promise you we'll approve we'll approve the other way of handling this I promise there is no high heading there is nothing that's everything obvious city there to monitor which would the city leave you leave garbage in the front they will come after us that's why we said trust me trust me I promise I we don't want that conversation we'll leave that alone I deal with I deal with my friend so Let's let's um have the current speaker finish his comments if you have additional comments and then we'll invite you back after other speakers finish and kind of address all the comments that might

So my concern as I was stating is um the traffic and that the roofing company is a ruse for something else to come in after. I don't know the contract on how long this person is to occupy this place. And so what happened previous year where uh he rented the space out to someone and they started to put in a store, but you know, whatever. Nobody knew about that. And I would have thought that the owner renting the place would have told the tenant, "These are stipulations. You can't have this, that, and the other." That wasn't the case. So, we were under the impression at that time, the neighbors and I, that the hours of operation would be well into the morning and the traffic would be horrendous. Since then, we have gone down to a school zone traffic where it's 20 miles an hour. Right after, what is it? What's before Rosemont? What's the street? the Warrington the zone stops and the traffic hits. They got to make up that 20 mile per hour. So, I'm worried about the traffic as well. And there is what used to be uh Pursuit's Real Estate used to be there. They used to have parking in the front. I don't know if that and I'm not saying that they're going to do that, but I'm saying that is park. There is parking in the front of the building. So, I have concerns about the garbage, the traffic, the noise, and that it might be a ruse for something else to come in this place after the fact.

Thank you. How you doing? My name is Derek Dunford. Um, I've lived in the valley for over 50 years. I own 24 properties down in the valley. I own two properties directly behind this property. Um, the only question I have, how long have you owned this property? Uh, four years.

Okay. So, four years. Um, the amount of grass there is not even 10 square feet. It's barely cut. The property has been, we went through this with COVID. We had the Zoom call for something else going in there. This thing's been talked about putting the cat coalition in there. It's talk about uh a um grocery store, a mini mart, um a couple coffee shop, none of things kind of come through. It's been turned down before. But the biggest problem I have is we're trying to keep the mini mart situate. There's seven mini marts type whether it's Hesmart, Green Hills, Dollar General, gas stations, there's seven in one square mile. I know that's not what he's talking about, but they weren't talking about that before. It was going to be the coffee shop and a bookstore of some type. Nothing ever happened with it. It's not like any of us are paying attention every day to see what's going on. All of a sudden, there's construction going on. I know the neighbors, we everybody called the city. They shut them down. I feel like if we're not watching this, something's going to go on there. They had coolers in there. Every They were ready to roll up. I don't know if it was him or his tenant or whatever. I'm not hearing a roofing company name. I don't know any reputable. It's very vague. Um it it just it's not had a great honest situation. Out of state landlord originally, maybe I'm I'm not sure. Doesn't know the history. Presi real estate was in there for many many years. It was she's just gone about 20 years ago. Not 50, 60, 80 years ago. This this property was a meat market. It was a Zenith TV store if you remember those days. But um I don't have a problem with something going in there. I don't like it being a vacant property. So I don't want to just be a nothing can go in there type of person. I've been in construction my whole life.

Own a painting company for 36 years. You need dumpsters. I maybe they're not working out of there. Maybe they are not getting clarity there. Showroom. I don't know. Signs sounds kind of weird. I would be digging deeper. The property out front. I like what he says about okay, we're not going to park out front. Right now it's a parking lot. It it it is not a deep parking lot. If you park there, I run down that street every single every other day, I should say. Um, but it if I'm on the sidewalk, I'm going to be pushed out into the road. It should probably be ripped up, done something different. So, there's a sidewalk there and grass, pavers, whatever, where it's not a parking area. But as a guy who owns a property on the side street, which is um Rosemont, I'm not dying to see is it is there gonna be dump trucks? Is there gonna be construction trucks? Is it going to be a dumpster removal back there? I I don't know. Um so those would be concerns for tenants of mine that are in the neighborhood. I know it's concerns for others in the neighborhood. Um so I just transparency is everything. If you're, you know, I get it. He he bought a property. Sounds like, you know, I wouldn't have bought I looked at buying that property after Pizuti. I did not because it was very vague on kind of what could go in there. Not sure exactly what it currently sits with whether it's just residential or it's, you know, like Presi when she was selling it. She snuck two apartments in there and she got shut down. So, I know it's an oddball deal. It's kind of got to be the right thing. Coffee shop would have been great. Bookstore would have been great. Maybe a lawyer's office, something quiet like that. If it's a showroom, I personally don't have a problem with it, but is it really going to be a show? I I don't see a lot of roofing companies or any other construction companies dying to go into a very quiet residential neighborhood at the end of the city. I know a lot of guys in that business, they're going to be on Erie Boulevard. They're going to be in kind of more industrial type settings. Not say it couldn't happen. And I I know he wants to rent it out and I don't blame him. I feel bad for, you know, if he's invested this money, he's not getting rented out,

but that's where you got to do your due diligence and make sure you're going to buy something that uh that works for that property. That's all. Thank you. Other individuals wishing to speak in opposition, please. Why don't I have everybody start lining up? Yeah. Maybe lining up and one after.

My name is George Matthews. I live at 7-Eleven West Turnpike. I'm a 45 year resident of the South Valley neighborhood and I'm here to say that a showroom for a roofing business does not belong and does not benefit the South Valley neighborhood. uh it would be more suitably located in a strip mall in a commercial neighborhood. The South Valley neighborhood is a quiet residential area which is composed of mostly single family homes. If you look in the map, you'll see this is a a pimple in the middle of the residential neighborhood. Um a reubdivision was approved to realign two lots 5300 to 5308. Um but the uh map was not filed. So it led to a little sliver you see there next to the building. Um US variances were approved for the site in 1970, 1982, 2013 and 2014. a 2013 report by the TNT4 planning committee which was made part of the city's comprehensive plan contrary to the statement by staff. Uh it is in the con in the comprehensive plan. It sought to reduce nonconforming uses on South Salina Street south of Senica Turnpike and to maintain the residential character and visual quality of the corridor by restricting commercial encroachments. Now the MX1 zoning classification assigned to this property uh was which was intended to be a single lot amounts in fact to illegal spot zoning. You

cannot do that for a single lot in an otherwise different neighborhood. So although a small general retail is allowed in uh this property, the particular application for a roofing showroom would not serve the local neighborhood and would disrupt the quiet enjoyment for the neighborhood residents. I thank you. Thank you. Well, well, let's hold your comments in one question. what what they think it should be there like if it's not working and the problem every time we are there they call the city and they call the cops on us even when we do small maintenance.

Okay. So we're going to proceed with the hearing and invite other speakers and then when this group of speakers finishes there'll be an opportunity for you to address. Sir, real quick, sorry to interrupt. Just as a reminder, we are going to time this since it seems we have a number of people that want to speak. Uh, politely, if you hear the timer go off, please wrap up your comments uh, quickly. Thank you. Thank you.

Hi, my name is Steve Shapal. I live at 200 Bmpton Road. I've been in the resident for 28 years. Um, I guess my biggest concern with the property has been the trash around the place. And I also have a question for you. What's this? on the building. What's this on the building? That's what we do. What is it? What is it, though? What is this? No, this right here. This is a sign. Empty sign. Now, if you got approval to put that sign up, just address the commission, please. Yeah. Now, does he have permission to put this sign up? Can we see what you have, please? So, I can speak to it. the the existing

Okay, Jake can answer you about that. The existing sign frame has been there any that's not there. Uh I didn't see that today. You're saying that's there right now on the site? Yes. Did you see it? All right. We have to have a record and so if you could if you could go to the microphone and describe the sign. We can't tell the world what the picture says. So, please tell us what's in the picture. Is advertising a roofing company, Warner Roofing, um has a phone number on it. It says, "We don't just sell roofs, we sell proof."

Thank you. Showroom 3154865702. Now, if they can do this stuff, what's going to stop them from doing anything else they want to do? Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Good evening. Good evening.

My name is Kadijah Osborne. I'm a homeowner at 165 Bmpton Road. I have lived in that area for 15 years. Um I understand that uh he wants to have a business there to make money. My concern is that uh a roofing company, if you're just if you're not going to sell supplies in there just to talk to someone, you wouldn't need that much space to do that. Also, the only things that he said they would not uh sell is tobacco and alcohol. I'm wor worried that there may be a distillery for marijuana or vapor or other things that we don't want in the area. Um there has been and someone else spoke in favor of of him having the business. I will wonder I'm wondering how their business on Northern Salina what it looks like. Um, also the person that wants to open the business should be here to give us details of the signage of what he's going to display in there. We want to maintain our community uh in the South Valley. We want to keep it clean and we don't want a lot of traffic um other businesses that just don't sit with most of the residents in that area. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker,

uh, Taylor Bersavoy. I live at 111 Harding, which is like right across the street, um, from the site. Um, we've been there for about 8 years, my husband, my son, and I concerns are Yeah. noise. Um, trash is already blown from the property into my front yard. I have tons of pictures. Um, yeah, and right now there's so much traffic that still pulls through there. I don't know if it's specifically in regards to him um but the neighboring house and there's always tons of kids that are sitting out front um to catch the bus in the morning and it's just it's a quiet neighborhood and the last several months you know since we found out that you know things have flopped exactly what's going on there. Um, and yeah, my biggest concern is, you know, something that's not going to disrupt the neighborhood, the community. Um, there's a school, you know, hundreds of feet away. Um, and yeah, we're I don't know, we're a quiet community. We don't bug each other. So, that's that's my biggest concern is trash, traffic, um, noise. So, thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

My name is Margaret O'Hara, 5209 South Solana Street. I go by Peg. Um, my mom and dad bought the house at 5209 in summer of 1974. I bought the house from my mom's estate back in 2007208. So, someone in the O'Hara family has lived in the house since 1974. In fact, my brother Kevin worked for the city from God until he had to retire seven years ago. Um, my concern is more of the safety of the neighborhood because when Miss Miner was the mayor here in Syracuse, she put in bike lanes so that Salena Street instead of being four lanes wide in that particular area is three lanes wide with bike lanes on each side. There's a bike lane in front of this particular building. The bike lanes are used by kids on bikes, people on in wheelchairs and stuff that are coming from some of the handicapped housing in the blocks closer to Salina Street or from the Valley Vista to go back and forth to Green Hills or to the the stores down that way. Um, and then they come back up our way. The road hasn't always is not always able to be wellmaintained. We have benefited a little bit from the weather being not typical Syracuse weather this winter because instead of having all the traffic that would have been on 81 um coming down through Route 11, which is Selena Street, it's been staying on Route 81. So, we haven't had the the massive traffic jams from construction vehicles, interstate traffic, um, that we normally have. That happens quite frequently, though, and it's not something that's going to go away when and if 81 is completed in the next 2 or 3 years. There are kids walking on the

neighborhoods because there's Clary Junior High and there's the Elms School just three blocks or maybe it's four blocks from that particular. There's Meechum School where I know most of the kids are bust but some of them are um walkers. There's a lot of older people walking in the neighborhood. Um usually on the sidewalk sometimes we have to use the side streets and stuff. I'm just I'm my more concern is is the safety uh because of the traffic, foot traffic, bike traffic. Um and when things get really really crazy, the back parking lot in that particular how many parking spaces are in that? How many employees are going to be in that building at any point in time? Are they going to exceed the number of parking spaces that are in the back? If someone is coming down there to for an appointment to see what the tiling and stuff looks like, how many spaces are they going to take up? Um, that's going to add to the confusion. Are they going to be able to figure out are they going to park in that front parking lot or are they going to park in the back? Um, you know, I just I want want somebody to realize that this is affecting a lot of people. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Good evening. My name is Greg Hock. I grew up in the valley my whole life, 65 years, born and raised down there. Uh there's some fine points brought up tonight. Um nothing against you. I'm sure all of us would like to see small businesses work and everybody started out as a small business and wants to try. Obviously, there are some problems with the building that you have purchased and tried to have a couple of tenants in there. People have have addressed that tonight, and I'm sure there's going to be more things addressed. And there's been some fine points brought up by good and bad in this room. Uh, one of that I learned that this gentleman brought up is that this building sits in a corridor. It's the only building from Senica Turnpike that is city line of a commercial type structure. And he's brought up that evidently this building shouldn't even be built. And Mr. Dunford brought up that it's been some wacky uh zoning or whatever even what what he tried to do. Uh my concern is that the woman that just brought up is Salina Street. As you see with properties like this, it's supposed to be one lane on each side. At one time, it was a fourlane road, which was crazy. The city helped out on that. Now, if I can approach the sign real quick, the the picture, this uh parcel in front here is wide open to the street of the whole time it's been there. There's no sidewalk, which is evidently required in the city. Now, there's no curving on this at all. Uh the gentleman here says, you know, everybody's going to park in back, but this is a wide open lot now and cars have been using it for years. So if you get a couple cars in the front of this and they want to pull out, you get

people here on Salina Street. Terrible.

Uh the same principle once again, we're going back to safety on Salina Street. And I felt over the years maybe the city should have helped out here and put curbing and changed this so it doesn't look like people could park in the front and cause more trouble. There was evidently years ago which Mr. Dunford brought up a proposal to create housing out of this building which would free everybody probably from this room because then it wouldn't be a commercial property anymore. And I don't know why uh this maybe could be alleviated tonight. Maybe I could talk to the codes commissioner or the somebody in city hall that why didn't years ago this somehow property become residential? ask a developer to make it into two apartments, not apartments, rental property. Make them condos so they would be owner occupied and then in tax roles and not have to deal with a re uh rental property in a valley section or in a residential section like that.

Thank you. My time is up. I'm sure there's more and everybody can probably Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you guys for your time. Good luck. I live I'm sorry. I only live three blocks up the street from here. Next speaker, please.

Hi, my name is Margaret Johnson. I live at 5226 South Street, directly on the corner, directly across the street from the building he is talking about. I've been there for over 20 years. And in the time that I've been there, I've seen prostitution in that building. Drugs has been in that building. And he's saying there's two doors in the front. There's also three two doors in the back. One of those doors in the back leads to a small apartment. How do I know? I've been in there when Pursuiti was there. And I've been in there several times. So, in that apartment, like I said, we've had prostitution, we've had drugs, we've had um not only in that building, house behind that building also had drugs and prostitution in there. So, in the time that I've been there, I've seen a lot in that area and in that building. He said that the the yard is constantly cleaned from snow and grass. That's not true. That is not true. It's done every so often it's done. There's garbage constantly thrown around that building. It's done become a dumping yard. At one point there was a bunch of car tires where everybody was dropping stuff back there. Kids catch the bus right there on that corner. My granddaughter along with some other kids do catch the bus right there on that corner at that building. I'm concerned about the safety, the traffic, the activity, and what exactly is going to be going on in that building because I keep eyes on that building. I constantly call downtown to find out what's going on. At one point, there was a studio in the building. Nobody knew what was going on. I found out about that because one of my grandsons went over there and I said, "What are you doing over there?" He said, "There's a studio in there and we're learning how to play music and all." Well, nobody knew about that. I didn't know about it. And like the other young man said, there

was freezers and different type of store garments going in there. freezers and shelving and all kinds of stuff going in there. I need to know what's going on in there and that my house and home is safe and not going to be bombarded with a whole lot of stuff that's unnecessary. I want to feel comfortable in my home and I'm asking you guys to please not allow this to happen. Thank Thank you. You

Hi, I'm Teresa Hoffman. I live at 119 Harding. Um, I have more questions than comments. Most of my, um, comments have been expressed by other people. I'm grateful that you want to make the place a nice place for our neighborhood. Um, I'm aware that, uh, Scott Warner has other business ventures that he's operated out of his other roofing sites, um, a smash smash house, um, and, uh, bins, a bin store. So, I am concerned about whether or not if he rents this, will he be allowed to use that property for th those other uh ventures? Um the um the thing that I'm concerned about is that the front of the property is just paved and I'm wondering what the plan is to turn that into a curbed area with a sidewalk so that there won't be parking on it. I've been there for three years. I'm a mostly lifelong Syracuse resident. I moved back into the valley three years ago and there's been parking on that um front of that building since I've lived there. People just pull up there um whether it's been vacant or not. So, I want to know what the plan is to create a curb, maybe a curb lawn and a sidewalk. Um and if the rental is for a year's lease, my understanding is if there's um work that needs to be done on it, it gets there's a year period that they can accomplish that. If that's wrong, please tell me that is. I'm not, you know, I'm not used to reading city briefs like this. Um, but is the lease only a year? I would wonder if if that's the case because he could lease it to someone for a year, never make those modifications, and then lease it to somebody else for a year, never make those modifications. Um, I'm very concerned about keeping our neighborhood uh safe. So, thank you for your time.

Thank you. Next speaker, please. Hi, my name is Elizabeth Wingert and I live at 116 Harding Place, which is just off the map. It's where the R should be. Oh, sorry. You can pull it down. Oh, hey. Thanks. Okay. Thank you.

Um, and we also want you to be able to find a tenant that is compatible with the neighborhood. We understand it's a very unique situation. We don't want you to lose business. That's not our intention. And um I feel like I can speak our just a little bit of clarification and context. The last um people that were in the building and Mr. Dasha will attest to this. Um they were in there without having any permits to build or to do anything. Um the only way that that was um attended to was that the residents one we had to go around the neighborhood and have a petition signed by everyone and submit that to our common counselor which is um uh Patrona Rouser and she has those documents. And then um we had to constantly call the um zoning and permits office to have them come down and we were in charge of determining for them when those occupants were in the building so they could come down and see. Additionally, those occupants put paper all over the front of the building which are glass windows so that they could not be seen. So I know you said we want to give you give us a chance There's a history here that has been problematic. Um, in regards to this current proposal, there are three variances in the application that are significant. Um, and you can see those. I'm not going to review them. You can look at them. They're very significant um in regards to the size of the property and how it can be used. Additionally, uh, as the previous woman said, um, Scott Warner does have other businesses, which is wonderful. Those businesses are located either in a mall or an industrial

setting. And, um, he also has auctions. He he has a bins business. Um, and those things are happening outside of work hours. So, my question would be, will there be activity allowed after 5:00 p.m. and before 8:00 a.m.? Okay. Um, additionally, just so that it's a point of clarification, um, the applicant, not yourself, the business owner has been advertising on Facebook that building with his signage since December, saying this is our next location, which is problematic. It tells me that he's not going to adhere to policies and procedures and that is of concern. Um, sorry. Would like some clarification in regards to will there be tractor trailer deliveries? Will the deliveries be limited to proposed business hours? Will there be outdoor storage of roofing materials? Will there be overnight parking for contractors? Will there be permanent curbing? And um I apologize. This is a um Okay, I'm going to leave it there.

Thank you very much for your time and we do want to support you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application? If so, please come to the podium, provide your name and address and your comments. I see no one else rising to speak. Uh as noted at the outset uh the applicant has an opportunity to address some of the comments made in opposition. So uh the microphone is yours if you choose to do so.

Thank you everybody. Thank you very much. So in the past we know there is history but moving from tile showroom to unknowing business it wasn't on our control. So we write agreements with somebody who promised to use the building for a coffee and deli shop. We have everything set up with him. So we know the process to go through and apply and all that stuff during that time. Yes, there is paper on the window where he go and clean and buy equipment. So we know we talk to the city and we make sure his business are going to be approved. They say everything good. It look like he have the right to be there with uh coffee and dolly shop. So we agree for that behind the scene. I don't know what he's doing. There is no secret room for prosecuting. There is nothing like that. Also we have the city all the city uh employee they walk there and they do um they do phone like they take a phone uh pictures for all the constructions there there is nothing there is nothing happened behind anybody back the city know everything happened we have a visit from all the inspections they come and take a picture there is no hidden room there it's u Mr. Bill um he came to the building and also uh we met with Mr. um

John. Yeah, we met him inside. We met everybody inside and we showed them everything the property inside. Since 4 years ago, we did not have one one modification, nothing. Nothing at all. So there is no any business hitting there. So when we figure out he's going off the record and he's doing something behind our back, we terminate the contract. We lost a lot of money. So we kick him out. So there is that that guy he was there, he allowed to be there with the contract. He called the cops. We call the cops on him.

The cop he showed the contract to the cops. He say I have the right to be there. So he still have the right to be there. I have to go five to six months on court system to kick him out because he violate the contract and we approve that we kick him out. Now the roofing company the roofing company whatever he have whatever he own he's going only to do that business we agree on the leasing. So if there is a problem with that I will be the first guy to step up and tell him no you cannot do that. So he's if he have six businesses why he's mixing this business here he's a very successful man like there is he's not going to build roof and other business with him like auction like who will do that you know and also I will monitor that if something happened I will be stopping him from doing auction or prosecuting with his roofing company in the front when we bought the building we make sure all the permits everything are Right. So yes, there is there is a barking spot in the front. There is people bark on the front. There is people from this neighbor bark on the front. We bought a sign. We don't need anybody to bark on the front. We remove those paper walls. We remove everything. We open even I've been almost five years or four years having electric in my name just to make light inside. So to make people seeing what's inside again there is no hidding anything. city will be there like a lot of people from the city they drive every day they call me the grass the grass I hire company I have a contract they cut the grass but if I'm not there how I can clean the property if there is a paper coming baby the the the building it's empty it's empty complete where is that trash coming from so you think I will go and have a trash coming outside to the neighbor this is and like it doesn't doesn't I didn't

understand where is that trash coming from? It's not from me. It's not from my building. Building it's closed. It shut down for 45 years, 4 years. And also the people before me also they don't have anything inside. It's empty walls. We have pictures. We have a lot of picture there. It's empty walls. There is nothing. There is no trash. So where is the trash coming from? I'm sure from somebody there who either sabotage this business or do something to throw the trash and come to somewhere else. If there is no business, where the trash coming from? This is We need to We need to step together and see where is the trash coming from. It's not coming from this building. So again, when we bought this, it's a commercial use. It has a 1,000 square footage of commercial. I This is the only reason we bought it because it's a commercial. We don't want to deal with apartments. We don't want how what's business need to be there to make everybody happy. They shut down that guy when he opened the deli and and coffee shop. They call the cops on him every night. Every night when the when when he start and doing the business, he literally he called me. Why the cops is here? Why people call the zoning on him? They shut down and they shut him down during his cleaning, during his painting. They shut him down and they say, "Hey, there is a big violation on the wood door. You're not allowed to be there." We fixed the heat. The heat damage my damage my water, damage my bibe, damage everything because we cannot send someone there to clean the property and fix the heat and fix the coolant. Four years I spend over $120,000 in this building. Nothing came back. Nothing came back. What I should do? Like I need I need somebody like grocery. They protest against it which is okay. I say no more grocery cigarette shop. He allowed to open cigarette shop. He have the right to open cigarette shop. But I say I am not going to open a cigarette shop or tobacco at all until

we found a guy Warner. Warner he came three month ago December last year. When we look at the rules and expectation we found there is no problem with this business. We call the city councils we call everybody. He's good. So we start doing the process and we almost get approved for him. Literally with the city do we get approved and we say hey he get approved. We just we hear something from the neighbor now. Now we need to shut down everything. So this guy he have the approved complete done everything done but because now somebody figure it out now we have to escalate it. So literally uh two weeks ago they told me they told me we have to bring it to to the public hearing. Other than before that before that he was complete approved and we have all the paper all the thing some meat no structions nothing need to be done there is no trash in the back no dumpster in the back this guy he delivered the material he have a dumpster by the owner of the house need

so if if you could sort of um wrap up with a mind and eye toward uh addressing any of the comments that you heard in the previous speakers. Um, yes, that would be

I cannot keep up with all that. Can you remind me what's the question they ask and I will be happy to answer like there is bunch of stuff like there is no prosecution there. There is no prosecution. It's a it's a it's a nice city. You think cops will leave this like how many phone calls from the city cops? This is one of the major thing. There is no hidden room in the bank. Trash. I promise you this building it's been empty for four years. There is no trash. I come up 12 days in Syracuse here. I have a hotel here just to clean and polish the floor and everything was amazing. I have a I have after I verified with the city, I told him I want to fix the heat and coolant. They told me if you're not changing the unit, you don't need any permit. So the that the exhaust was broken. We fixed the exhaust. We have the fan was broken. We changed the fan. So there is no nothing no constructions done to this building since five years or four years ago. Nothing at all. We have approved with the city. They come and do twice inspection. They have a pictures. Even when I was here and they called the city on me, Mr. Bell, he came and Mr. Mike, they came and take a picture from outside. They said nothing changed. Nothing changed. I have a light light complete on the 3,800 square foot. The light complete on. It's obvious to everybody to see if there is any anything change. So again, trash the the corners. I get approved like that. I I didn't I don't I didn't do any modification. I did not literally any any instructions any modification. It's been like this. I bought it like this. We're going to rent it like this.

Understood. Understood. Um so if you could summarize if there's anything additionally you would like to say at this point in the meeting. I'm asking I'm asking everybody here if roofing company and Delhi and coffee shop it's not allowed what we should do like what like sell it why why like this so if it's if it has million dollar here wait wait wait wait waiting why do you want me to sell it

sir just a minute so the purpose of this exchange is to help inform the commission Uh, so we've heard from members of the public who had concerns. We heard from some members of the public who were in favor and this is your opportunity to address any of the comments made in opposition to help inform the commission so that when we get to the point where there's a decision to be made. Yes, we're working with information from the community. So, um, it's not

would not be appropriate to poll the audience uh tonight. So just share your comments with us, your insights, but if you could do that in the next few minutes to kind of wrap up. So we we still have some additional items to deal with tonight uh beyond this application.

What I'm saying to everybody, thank you very much again. I'm sorry. I apologize if um this is the first time for me. I wasn't expecting like different thought here. So that Warner company, we have a lease five years, five years lease agreement. It's not one year, it's not two, five years. Uh this guy he signed agreement with almost $200,000 agreement to keep the property, maintain it and make the property look good. Um if he do something else, I will be monitor that. I will be my nephew, my family live 13 minutes away from him. His store live 2 minute away from him. So every day we are here. Every day we drive around and we see if the property good. We came, we cleaned the gutter, we cleaned the roof, we cleaned a there is a lot of trash people in the neighbor because it's it's empty property. They dump trash. I hire a company. They came and collect all the trash in the eight parking spot. Eight parking spot. So if there is any employee, three and max he told me three two salesman is the owner too. And there is five parking spot empty. If there is another two, three customers, there is another two, three empty parking spot. So is he's having very nice parking spot enough for everybody. If he have a full business day, there is no material going to be inside. It's everything shipped to the building need to be done like from home from Lowe's shipped direct. There is no garbage coming back. There is no dumpster sitting. He have warehouse full of big equipments, dumpsters, all those. He have a own warehouse, a cheaper to keep them on the warehouse to do his business. He have a scatter like a very high lift. He cannot keep it on the property. He have he have a storage unit. So all this we talking to him

about it. We agree. Um in the back there is a small like like literally 4 in by 50 grass. We hire a company but he say if I am there full-time I will maintain he will be maintaining the tenant it's his responsibility to maintain inside and outside landscaping and also take care of the building. He will be maintaining that but without anybody there he cannot cut the grass. He cannot go. I cannot come eight hours. I hired a company to cut the grass when when we are there. One week we left it. I found a note from the city. Hey, we need to cut it. I was like, okay, we'll do it. So, right,

all this it's been done. The the school buses, I don't know if the school buses should be there or not there. I cannot control that. If you if everybody send the school kids there and say, "Hey, go there and have a school bus." I cannot make this decision if the kids should be having a parking spot there for the kids schooling. Again, this is not not me or not anybody can make the decision. It's the family could make the decision. The family who send the kids to school, they could say, "Hey, this is not zoning for pickup and dropping. We need some other zone to send. There is no tobacco. There is no at all marijuana." What? Like marijuana is illegal. They cannot sell it. So that's why we're saying there's nothing like that.

Okay. So Okay. Any question? Yeah. I have a I have a question. Yes, please for me. So you mentioned have a 5-year lease. Yes. Uh does a lease stipulate the business that can operate there? Yeah. It's roofing siding only. That's all that is stipulated lease. So anything other than would be a violation of the lease. The tenant would be 100% sir. I I'd like to propose a couple things. Yes, please. might help everybody be clarified. Um, I think that we would like or I person I'll speak for myself. I would like to if it's possible have the owner and operator of the roofing company appear before us at our next Can I say something?

You can. So, put put your feet in my shoes. If I bring the owner here with all this hitting like what do you think he will have? he will have the commitment to be there and help the community if everybody against him. This is the only reason I didn't bring him here because again whatever happened let's say I bring X-Man and the X-man he want to he I understand what you're saying but let me say this you're making a commitment for him that he will maintain the property for the neighbors that is a contract I understand for the neighbors the neighbors have in the past had some experience that it didn't work out even with a contract

the way that they thought it would work out. Therefore, I think having Mr. Warner here to assure everybody this is my business. This is my business model. I don't plan to operate any other business here. I don't intend to sell or truck in material on the weekends etc. Whatever the discussion Okay. center. It's a good Thank you very much. It's a good question. I I I will just hear me out. Let me just finish and then you don't have to answer tonight if you aren't prepared. If you don't if you want to think about it.

I think also that we should you should meet with the staff and work on a site plan for the property and the site plan will include the parking spaces. some detail, some comments are there are eight spaces in the back, some we already did that seven, some there are six, but there's comments in the staff report that those spaces are not properly striped or marked.

Can can we have a picture? They they submit. If I can add add to that, you know, please. Um, in addition to what, uh, Commissioner Murphy is is pointing out, you know, we have presently there are, um, 11 conditions on this particular application, conditions that are related to your site plan and things that are permissible and not permissible. So far as I can tell, most of the negative comments that have been brought up tonight are in fact addressed in the conditions. And it's important for people to understand that if the conditions are violated, then the approval can be uh revoked. Now, my concern at this point is, you know, we have all of this testimony that's been provided. I I can't tell right now whether all of the conditions that we have cover what's in here. I have a sense that they in fact do. I would like people to see that if that is in fact the case. Uh but I can't tell that sitting here right now. So, Commissioner Murphy's suggesting that perhaps we should hold this for the next meeting if we can get the uh the Warner Company to be here and if we can address the conditions to make sure that we are covering all of the things that are being brought up as as points. Now, I understand part of the issue here is that there's a long history that has nothing to do with you and people are reacting to that long history and so we need to do something to break out. Would you have evidence for this? Like everybody say he say she said like there is no evidence of understand

what what I'm saying allow me allow me allow me one one one minute please I will explain to you. So it's minor side plan like we escalate it for something huge and big. So every time every time I'm hearing and this is not the first time people say sell it or people say it's not supposed to be commercial but if you guys not give me a chance to do that like this is this is only he say she say the building but but not you not you I'm sorry not you but the building but the building it's very sad I just think you guys you guys need to you guys need to see the truth. I understand

we you guys need to see what you guys what you guys in in your hand why I have that roofing company. You think if I have a lawyer here standing here and get approved for a tobacco shop you know he will get approved even even if take him a year he will get approved maybe but you don't know but too close to a school

but what I'm saying but there is two two minute away there is a tobacco shop there is 2 minute away a tobacco shop. So if there is a people sitting at night there what I should do to them to kick them out call the cops all the hey there is a kid sitting there where is the mom and dad why the mom and dad doesn't call those kids to go back home and instead sitting on the corner what I'm saying I need a chance I'm losing a time can one one thing I'm losing a time the roofing company if it didn't start now if it didn't start now he's going to leave he's going to leave and I'm going to I'm not give up I'm not give up I swear to God I'm not give up on this building. I I I I my kids money, everybody money. I took it and I bought it in this building. I'm not going to sell it. I'm not going to sell it. I'm not going to sell it. I'm going to go keep trying. Keep on trying trying. Maybe maybe one day I'll get somebody else. But what I'm saying it's a business. It's a business owner. If he violate the rules, there is there's people work for this. They will go and catch him. They will come to me. They they will shut him down. Give us a chance. I'm begging you guys. Like it's minor side. It's not it's not huge different. People say it's not clean. If it's not clean, I will get violation. I'll have to pay money to clean it if it's not clean.

But there are conditions that are outlined in the staff report that you have to agree to. I will agree to it and I will do it. That includes working with department of public works on the front in terms of curbing, sidewalking, lighting, etc.

Imagine if you give me those tasks and I didn't do them. It's on me. Like imagine if all these stuff like the 11 the 11 items if I didn't do them that would be on me that would be bad bad and shame I didn't get chance to do what the city want me to do so I failed if you give me those and I need another six month to do them or one month to do them and I failed it's on me not on you guys you guys already approve it you guys give me those task I have to do it and I if I failed just I will failed and I don't want to fail nobody want to fail I have a very young people work with me and they want to they want to support me and they want to move on with this and and the tenant also says he wants to invest curbing fix everything up

so we have to have a fencing also according to the city between me and and he have he have everything to do that so we already we already have agreement to do the we talk about the fencing we have to do the fencing between it's a it's I have a quote I have a quote for the fencing

so as commissioner len said there have been a lot of comments this evening There are conditions that have been proposed through the staff report and the commission members need to evaluate what we've heard this evening in conjunction with the conditions that have been suggested through the staff report and weigh to see whether one addresses the one set of concerns addresses the are addressed by the conditions that might be imposed on this application. we're not going to be able to read through what we've been given tonight um uh much less all the comments that were made tonight and evaluate those. So, I'm suggesting that we bring this item to a close this evening. Um we've heard comments for and against and you've been able to uh had an opportunity to rebut some of the comments in opposition to your application. That's fair. The commission now needs time to um digest what it heard tonight as well from the speakers on either side as well as the staff report that's been provided as well as additional written comments provided tonight which we have a staff we haven't looked at yet. So all that to say that I've heard a comment earlier about holding on this item. I think I'm in agreement with that. I'd like to know if my colleagues um uh join in that consensus for holding this to evaluate the material that we heard tonight and resume uh presumably at our very next meeting which would be in April. Um, so I'd like to close public comment on this application this evening, review what has been entered into the record,

what has been presented to us this evening, and evaluate your application in light of all those comments. So question, thank you very much. I understand all that. So until you're not seeing as too too much like forel. So if I lost the contract with this guy and he came to me and he say, "Hey, I don't want to do roofing anymore with you. Bye-bye." But he have the right to do that because that's termination of the contract. He cannot occupy the building. So what we should do like what are you telling me to do serious like like tell me get like I we're we're not in the position to advise you. All I can say is that the commission

um I'm speaking for my colleagues here uh seem to have expressed a view that they are not in the position to take action on this tonight. I can't go beyond that and advise you on what you should do in light of this. But I'm just saying that's where the commission is in terms of all the information that's come in tonight. And it's been considerable. Um we need to evaluate that and come to some conclusion. I don't know what to tell you. Do you have any question from those comments? Like I can answer now like well the problem some of these we haven't even read yet. Yeah. See the problem is from what you hear from you hear

I I can't digest everything that we've heard and everything that it's writing and compare it to the 11 conditions we have. That's just not a task that we can complete tonight on the fly at the at the moment. That's my concern. I would like to see the project go forward if it's possible. I would like to find a way forward if we can, but we can't do that tonight. right now in reacting to all of the testimony and evaluating the conditions that we have and whether they cover the issues. One of the things I would like to ask the PO folks who made testimony tonight, please look at the material that is online for this site and look at the conditions and see if they apply to all of your concerns because it appears to me that many of the concerns that have been raised are covered there. But I can't tell for sure

because we don't have time to evaluate. So by by the law and rules as as a as that building so it's not qualified to be uh roofing company like there is there is a qualification. Yeah. And there is something called hey this this business could be here but end of the day somebody say he throw trash is going to stop this from happening. This is it looked like to me

the commission looks at a lot of factors in approving an application for any business in any location in the city. Um and it's not quite so black and white things need to be taken into context and what the impact is on the surrounding uh neighborhood. That's what we're trying to do. That's why we hel hold these public hearings so that people can come forward people who live in the neighborhood can come forward and express those concerns. That's why the applicants can speak and that's why the applicant can respond to the comments,

but we are going to need to move on. We do have additional um applications this evening. We've heard a lot of speakers. I would underscore my colleagues um advice or recommendation to look at the website and and the conditions that have been suggested in the staff report may very well address some of the comments or concerns that have been expressed here this evening. So, thank you very much everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you. Um, with that we will move to our next application.

Yes, excuse me. Next up is uh uh another site plan review. Uh, MASPR-25-36 at 4100-06 South Salina Street. Owner Lawrence Davis. Uh, applicant is Shaqula Brown. This is in the CM zone district. Hello. How are you? Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. I think I remember how my name, address, and and then an overview of your application.

Okay, gotcha. My name is Shila Brown. Uh, I live at 4100. No, I don't not live at 4100. I live at 4174 Tommy Trail, Liverpool, New York.

Okay. And then my business endeavors is I'm going to do an event center. My thing is I could have been a product of my environment. I'm not a product of my environment. I actually gotten out of it. So my thing is Oh, sorry. My thing is um I want to be able to give back to my community the same way that I got where I am today, which was nonprofit organizations. I went through demolition. And I don't know, the same nonprofit companies that I went through stood in the same very spot. If you know Melvin Baker or Walt Dixie or, you know, all of the programs that I've done here started at nonprofit organizations. Um, I'm not going to make it long cuz I am supernovas and it's been a long process for me. It's been about two years since I've been working on this. I'm going to let my community speak. Um, what I'm offering is to be the glue to my community. Where I grew up at is 305 West Pleasant F. right in the heart of the southside. I do not understand why um when I submitted my floor plan, it turned into I was opening this bar and there's murders across the street and there's this and there's that and that's not my thing. That's not what I want to do. I am coming to bring back to my community. So, with me being labeled as a bar, that's actually like um limiting my options of what I want to be able to do for my community. Um, I don't know who I speak to about that, but that's something that is very personal to me. This project went from a way to get money to a way to actually revive my community. That being said, I'll let my community speak.

Can I just ask you a couple questions? Yes. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Um, what are you envisioning as hours of operation for the event? Oh, the hours that I invented actually couldn't happen due to the fact that in 19 I don't know where the tongue is because I've never seen them in person, but I believe like 1970 or 1917 something like that. Um, the gas station was opened and all of these other things. So, my time limit has been dwellled down to 6:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. And surfing alcohol?

No, absolutely not. I will I don't want to serve alcohol to my community that I'm trying to help rebuild growing up. Like we had neighbors I can go to that actually helped, you know, raise me. My community actually raised me. I mean, PNC, they're thinking about putting something over there. Well, guess what? Like I said, I was a product of my I could have been a product of my environment. I got caught stealing candy in there before, you know? So, my thing is I just want to be able to give the opportunity to people that look like me, the people that don't give up on their community. When's the last time you drove through that area and seen a just a cookout? I mean, I'm in that bracket. I probably should cook out more for my family and stuff like that, but if us as a community get together, I believe we can make it work.

Oh, so I believe that's the reason why they uh entitled me as a club owner because when I submitted my floor plan, I had a stage. Okay. And then I have a bar. It's not a bar. No, wait. Let me just back up. Mhm. Did you submit something that was then rejected? Absolutely not. It was rejected. No. What was rejected? Your floor plan? Um, no, it wasn't rejected. Um, what I said, what I stated was, um, once they seen my floor plan and they seen that there was a stage and that there was a bar, they assume that I wanted to open a bar and I do not want to open a bar. So, are you you talking about the code staff that are making that ass? Who's responsible? I want to find out because I want

I don't know who's making that assumption because there's nothing in any materials that we have that when I Google it when I Google my business name which is good vibes entertainment it pops up as a club. I mean it has nothing to do with Okay. So I don't know that's just something that I want to you know take off of the table because for two years now I've been being judged upon bringing a bar to my community. That's not what I want. Okay. So back to the music. Mhm. Are you contemplating having music?

If if I do an event to give back, then you know I would and then in that state I will let my community know you know what's coming forward but it will be something for the community not you know for alcoholism and you know the things that we're trying to stay away from in that area per se. And the six to one two nights a week, what? Three days a week, four days.

So it's upon booking. So it's an event center. So if you your mom has a birthday party and you want to do your mom a birthday party, you're then contact me and then we'll go ahead and we'll create, you know, something um as far as that. But um I don't have a everyday schedule. So it will be based off of my community's needs. Why 6 to1? I mean, if for example, you want to have a kid's birthday party, that might be something you want to have during the day.

So, that's my argument. You know, I've been forced because there's not a lot of parking in that area. I feel like that's why I've been working with zoning for so long um due to the parking, but we finally strayed over that. And um as I said, even with the parking, I'm going to have valet parking, so people will not be able to have direct access to be able to even back out onto the street. Um, as I said, I grew up in that area. So, there's been a barber shop that has been there for decades. There used to be a bowling alley upstairs. I want to create those unique memories and bring it back to Syracuse. Like, I look at the pictures that's in here. I've been looking at them and it's like, we have so many abandoned buildings and everything around. Why not all as a community come up? Okay. Well, if neighbors are complaining about it, let's buy it. Let's Let's have unity. Let's Why is there no unity nowadays? not a big job for me to take on. My only thing is I want to be able to provide that opportunity.

Lawrence Davis, my name, the owner of the property. Um, I want to read first the person I bought it from. He sent a letter of support for this this space. He's an attorney. He's been there for a long standing. His name is Jim Wallace. Um, so he said, "To whom you may concern, as owner of the adjoining property at 4110 South Al Salina Street, I submit this email in support of application." He gave the application number relating to a special use permit. Not sure if that's the same the latest use of 416 South Salena Street. Thank you.

The commercial space in question at 4106 South Salena Street has been vacant since Rent a Center moved its tour to the town of Anandaga in August of 2023. The property that is subject of this applicate application sits directly across the street from Valley Plaza which itself has been dominated by the vacant and boarded tops supermarket store and I will add the dollar store. Now for several year vacant boarded up building do nothing to improve living and or working condition and only contribute to the overall blight in the neighborhood. I submit that anyone attempting to establish permissible business in this area should be afforded the opportunity to do so. Thank you. And he signed Jim Wallace. I'm Lawrence Davis again. I'm the owner of the property. I bought this property seeing it vacant. I was going to use it for my own personal use. Um I'm 64 year old and I've been planning about what can I do for my community. How can I help them move along? There's so much roadblocks for young particularly black um youth to be able to be integrated into the community. I have a few property about 36 property in the city of Syracuse and I drive down Avery Avenue um sometime and I see a church and a bar. There will be absolutely no one in this room would allow a bar across from the church but it does in other community. So does community have outlets? If the community doesn't have an outlet, I think I even hear the mayor speaks to this or some commercial on the TV talks about this. If the young people in the city don't have um investment, we have nothing to give them to pass on. Then they are they are destroyed. They are going to abandon the city. The city is becoming it looks like there's a lot of opportunity, a lot of possibility, but in my eye as I drive by, I see a lot of decay. And it it has to stop. We can't have people say they want to do something, want to try something new. And we as elders stop by and try to slow them down to stop. So that's why I've been working patiently and been slowly going through the city,

working with the city to make sure they get everything that they need so they can put this in there. Now, I for one, if there's I've I've seen uh bars across the street where someone actually died, I would have opened this myself, but I don't want to see anyone die. I don't want to see somebody um pass on. So, I rather give them because it's a lack of it. When somebody gets something that they never had, they're so excited by they don't know how to use it. The reason why there's a bar across the church is because the communities already accepted that this is what they do. This is a place that they could go for after a wedding party. They could have a sweet 16. They could have events. They could do what they need for the community. In the black community, you don't want it downtown. So, you don't give them the opportunity to have it. So, when they are trying to do something for themselves, please give them a hand up. Don't put them push them down. I don't know if I want that's what I want to say, but I'm here and I think that we should support our young people and trying to do something different and stop trying to block them. trying to stop them in their process of development. The development we want is sitting right in our own hands. They're trying to and we can't stand in their way. Give thanks.

Thank you. Well, let's check. Just have sort of a technical matter that I want to uh make for the record.

In the description of the project in the application, it refers to uh an event center which is permissible in CM in table 3.1. However, throughout the rest of the document, that's the only place the term event center appears. Throughout the rest of the document, it's referred to as event space. So, I want make sure we all understand what we're talking to because table 3 pro 3.1 should probably say event space. And just so there's no question, the definition of a spent v event space is a building or related facilities not generally open to the public for use by third parties to host events such as banquetss, weddings, receptions, private parties which may have catered events or an on-site commercial kitchen. If alcoholic beverages will be served, all requisite license shall be obtained. So it's my understanding that is what in fact what we're talking about here.

Okay. Absolutely. And so I guess I guess just again I have a question about your six to one as the hours that you're proposing if that really I wish I could open longer but the only thing that I was given was those times. The reasoning being you're giving those times by uh by Syracuse zoning sorry um Syracuse zoning. Um, I tried to get in contact with the community and I spoke with uh the owners of the gas station that's over there and they had no problem with me utilizing their parking spaces, but I guess per code zod.

I can't share parking or whatever. So, my exact question was, "Well, what do you want me to do? Open up a event center from one o'clock at night to I could get so emotional. I don't I don't want to do that." So it's it's been a journey. I have to say that. Can I I'm sorry. No, I understand. I'm just trying to clarify where that comes from. Can we talk about the parking for a minute? Absolutely. So I'm having my mother's birthday and I have you have capacity I think 150, right?

I did not even get that far yet. I don't know where that number came from. Um I from my beliefs the fire department should come out after it's approved and that's where I am with this whole thing. So I don't want to give you a number of you say it's 150. So now there's if I do that math there's 50 cars at six o'clock at night for the birthday party and they're most likely on Daws, right? And the party ends at one o'clock and now everybody's going out to their cars and the people that are sleeping on Daws are now saying, "Huh, what's going on out there?" Absolutely. What is that noise?

Again, like I said, I am trying to be able to open up jobs here as well. I have a nice security team. I have some from out of town and I have some in town, which they are actually back and watching. Um, however, it makes me really nervous at the fact that for me to open an event center in my community, I have to hire security. Like, if you take a second and you just think about all that, all of these questions that are being asked, it shouldn't be asked if we were all still together like they were in the 80s and 90s. But, however, it's not like that anymore. I just want to be able to give back to my community. help.

Yep.

We've been at this for over a year and I've been trying to stand by and support um with the city giving them everything that they needed. The this building was built. It was allowed to be built. It's on a commercial strip. Um yes, Doors Avenue is almost a dead end street quite frankly. And there's adequate parking. There's a lot quite a parking on there. And yes, there's some noise issue, but you have a pizza shop. you have other you have the the big uh mall across the street. So there's other places that people figured out what they want to do. So yes, I I do hear you. There's some concern, but we have actually satisfied what the city act required from us. We have given them we've been patiently trying to give them everything that they need. So the building is there. We didn't allow the building to be built just like a man. The building was built. So now we have to figure out what to do with it. We want to see development and the young people saying they want to see development. We have to support. Can I keep saying no?

Did I hear you talking about valet parking? Somebody Yes, that is that is that is one of the things that um she mentioned to me that you wanted to have the parking because there's such a limited parking. You want to be able to have valet parking in and out so that we can move it along. I also have the microphone. Sorry.

I do have other businesses as well. I do have party bus access. Um, I do have my class A CDLs and which I also went through and got with a grant loans. This is also things that I want to be able to help my community with. The same things that I endeavor just like I wake up, put boots on the ground and fight for Syracuse on the I81 project. I will do that for my community. Um, again, like I said, yeah, I will have um valet parking, but again, this is not an everyday thing. This is not something that I'm opening up at 6:00 in the morning ranting and raving and partying and encouraging those type of things. No, I'm asking all of you guys, everybody in this room for your help. Like, I feel like the whole Syracuse was stacked against me. You know what I got? Well, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO DOWNTOWN. I don't want to go downtown. I want MY COMMUNITY TO BE FEEL safe where they are. WHY CAN'T they have that? You know, no respectfully, no offense. I've been so nervous for this day like it's judgment day and it's not. You know, God didn't come BACK YET. WE JUST GOT TO KEEP WORKING. The same WAY I WORK ON THOSE HIGHWAYS and I do everything that I've done from my truck. I don't know if you're here. I never seen him. He knows. I Everything that you guys get in front put in front of me. I tackled. No problem. I tackled every question, every everything. is coming off as aggression now because I know my blueprint. I know my blueprints. I know how to read them. I can tell you everything BY THE BACK OF MY HAND. What I can't tell you is how many people I can have in there, how many lives I'm going to save. I can't do that by myself. I need a community. And that's my that's my argument. And if you guys can tell me how to change that, even if you guys deny me, please tell me how to change that because I'll BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP ON my community.

Further questions for the applicant from the commission members?

No. Okay. Okay. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Sorry. Sorry guys. Are there individuals Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application? If so, come to the podium, provide your name, your address, and then your comments. And if there more than one person interested, you can line up.

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Jacqueline Lassan. I live on South Salena Street, South 30001 South Salina. I run an organization for the last nine years, the Sy Greater Syracuse Southside Neighborhood Association. And I too have seen the blight in the area and it seems like when we get something good for that particular community in that space, downtown is just downtown. It's not really accessible to people without cars or people who just want to be in their own neighborhood, myself included. I run one of the larger food pantries there as well as civic and outgoing engagement. We feel some of my other persons are here and could have other ones could have came but the rain and all of that. We feel that it would be a great asset. Yes, there are um we have a chance to be able to celebrate whatever people's birthdays repasses unfortunately are happening too often and there was a place that's no longer there that was doing that. Again, this same issue of parking. You can do what you can. Some people walk so that parking is not really an issue for them. Yes, there is doors avenue which, you know, it's called a good neighbor program. If you just make sure that neighbors know that these events will be happening and oh, they're not going to park in their driveway across their driveway. I don't see the issue. I see more of an issue with that gas station, with that liquor store, which with those things that when people get drunk or the vagrancy, they just hang out. We want to stop seeing this hangout issue and see more of the people getting together and doing positive things. While I'm not raised here, I'm from somewhere. I've been here nine years and I'm very invested in this community and in terms of home ownership as well as the pantry and other things. And yes, I have to be the one who drives people other places when they have to go to these birthday parties and all of

this. I'm not a taxi service. And so I prefer that in our area, you know, downtown is is downtown. They do what downtowns do, spend and hang out and get drunk and all the other um ridiculous things. We're not asking for that. I'm in agreement that yes, there should be security because of times we're living in. and and and she's willing to do security. As a retired law enforcement myself, I appreciate that because any events we give in the community, we pay for our own security just to make sure just to have the extra piece of safety. So, as far as a community member, I stand in um in side to side with the young lady that great, we're not handling the entertainment, when I say entertainment, birthday parties and all of that part of it. Why can't someone else do it? and we can support it and we'd like to be able to support it in our neighborhoods. So, this is the second time maybe that has been come up for this discussion. It has been postponed. I ask that we try to move forward on it because it's better than seeing boards up on windows and unused spaces which gives us no sense of people wanting to invest in this area at all.

Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Anthony Gder. Um, you get need my address.

It's 303 Dickerson Drive North uh, Camilis, New York. Um, was born and raised in the valley my whole life. Um, moved out to Camilis recently. Uh, I'm an engineer with Norfolk Southern Railway Company. Uh, I'm a paving superintendent for Steve Tape Paving. I'm also a licensed security guard. I've lived in the valley my whole life. And we used to have a grocery store, sneaker stores, barber shops, bowling alleys, diners. We had everything in the valley. We have nothing now and there's nothing positive coming to the neighborhood. You know, there uh you try to get a grocery store, they fight that. You know, there's bars, that's a whole another story. But for somebody to try to do something positive in a neighborhood that has nothing, there's schools everywhere in the, you know, proximity of this location. So even if the hours of operation are, you know, six to one, obviously one's kind of crazy for stu school students, but if there's a program that they can go to after school in an area where there's nothing, that's a plus for the neighborhood. If you wanted to do, you know, a job fair for people in the neighborhood instead of having to go all the way downtown because not everybody in a poor neighborhood has a vehicle. You know, it costs what, $3 for a bus? It takes somebody all day to try to get $3. I mean, I know it's hard to believe for a lot of people, but that is the reality of the world that we live in. So, to have something right there on a main strip and, you know, as far as parking, you have a largely abandoned strip mall right across the street. I'm sure there's got to be some way to be able to work something out where there's a thousand parking spaces there. At least 20 of them can't be allotted. I mean, I know you guys

Well, and it's understandable because there is a an establishment across the street that has had a history and you know, that's again, that's not the establishment's problem. That's a community problem. But it's a community problem because there's no outlet for people to do anything and everything starts as children. So if the children see that there is nothing for them to do but play sta play station and sit in the house all day long, you can't go out and be active with people of your age or there's no place for the children to go where there's adults that can offer them a way out. Like we all, you know, she does construction. I'm a paving superintendent. I'm a locomotive engineer. I come from this neighborhood. So if there's places for kids to go and learn and have examples and role models of people who you don't have to do this, you can do this. I look like you. It's possible for you to do it as well. But there's nothing in that neighborhood. There's nothing on the south side at all for anything positive. You know, there's not even a grocery store on the south side of Syracuse. You have one on the far southwest side. You have Green Hills and Nedro. All you have is corner stores. Like the I've watched this whole neighborhood fall apart my whole life. And it's like somebody's finally trying to do something positive for the neighborhood. It's not a bar. It's a space. You know, even if you hooked up video games inside there for kids to come play for the day, it's somewhere positive for the children or people to go have a gathering with their family. It's it's necessary. It is it's a necessary thing in a a neighborhood that has nothing. You know, you they're building the highway, you know, it's going to be more traffic down to Lina Street. Who knows what type of what what type of uh possibility somebody could be driving by and see that event space and be like, you know what, maybe I can hold an event here or it just the possibilities are endless. But in order

for these things to be possible, it has to be possible. If if that makes any sense. Like everybody sees it. We all come, we all live in the city obviously or around the city and there's too much. You know, we're building an aquarium for 80 something million dollars. Imagine if you took $1 million and put it into 80 abandoned places in the city. What you could do that makes far more sense than a fish tank, you know, and I'm not trying to put it off on that. It's just there's we every this is a a citywide problem,

you know. There was nothing for the youth to do. there was nothing for people to come together without it being something else, you know, and I just feel like you got to give her a chance. Like I've watched my neighborhood fall apart. There's nothing there. You know, the valley is one of the last actually nice places in the city. So, you can either try to do something with it before it becomes too late or deal with the problem later on when it's too far gone. You know, if somebody's got a building that it's it's not being used and somebody's trying to get in and do something positive with it, that seems like it makes more sense to me to let them do that. At least try to do that versus let it sit abandoned for another 10 years and then the landbake takes it over and then they tear down and now it's another empty lot. You know, we got to be proactive with the things that we do in the city as far as people trying to help. You know, you got to be open-minded. I mean, you got to give people a chance. Now, I'm not going to take up too much time, but I just feel like we got to support the things that make sense. That's the only way the city's going to grow. You know, if we keep, oh, what if this and what if that, you know, what if what if don't work just in negative ways. What if works in positive ways, too. And we can't just look at everything as, oh, well, what if they're going to do this? Well, what if they're not? You know, what if it works? You know, you could inspire a whole generation of people if you got a a space where kids can go and get away from whatever hell they got going on at home and use their brains. You never know what type of person they could grow to be, but they have to have the opportunity and space to be able to do that. Not everybody has that at home, you know, and that's my piece. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Hello. I'd like to speak in favor of the project. Um, my name is Peter Holy Carpeno. I live at 1515 South State Street. Um, and 13205, which is not far when I've grown up on that in that area. And uh we used to frequent Valley Plaza quite a bit for uh a top market, PNC Markets. I think there's an Imperial Market that's soon to open there, which is a like a local market based out of Buffalo, but it'll be small, but at least it'll help revitalize what things have left. Like for example, Write Aid was there, excuse me, across the street. And uh there's still a lot of good um businesses, helpful businesses, uh including uh phone places, bargain stores around the corner. But I think a project like this would benefit because we as a rule have had to go out of uh the city to you use bank facilities that you had to drive drive to pretty far and and I don't know what they charge, but uh it sounds like the the young lady and the owner have a good plan for a decent um alcohol-free event space and I'm in support of it. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hi. Uh my name is uh David Tropman Wilkins. Um I was a former resident here, born and raised, and I moved away for the exact same reasons that she's talking about. I was gone for 40 years. And the reason I left was because there was no opportunity here. This young lady has an idea for an event space. She's not going to be in Armory Square cuz she can't get there. She doesn't have that kind of money. I heard you talk about the other guy who wanted to build his greenhouse and you said, "Oh my gosh, it starts with you guys. You're the you're the planners of the city and look at the shape it's in." I've lived in Milwaukee. I've lived in Chicago. I've lived in New York. I've lived in Philadelphia. And this is abysmal coming back here to see the condition that the city is in. We have a double standard in this city. We give people who want to be in Armory Square or up in Eastwood lots and lots of conditions so long as they meet them. I don't see any parking up there, but I do see public parking that was built just to make sure that there was parking for the businesses that wanted to go in. Are you going to do the same for her? Are you going to put the vacant lots and make it public parking? You got to stop. You got to stop this. This city is going to this city is about to go into the future with Micron coming all the subsidiaries that Micron will

need. The university is going to expand. You're going to get more housing that they want. You want people to come back to the city and be able to prosper and be entrepreneurs and be small businesses. the gentleman that was trying to be on Salina Street, he's in a no-win situation. No win. Because that used to be a commercial area. He can't open a business now because he has people that are afraid of the businesses that will come that could decimate the neighborhood. You guys have to fix this. This is on you. You are the planners. If the business doesn't fit the neighborhood, then say it can't come in here. But Salina Street is a commercial street. Whether it's it's Route 11, it's a state highway. It runs through the heart of the city. Give the commercial people what they need to prosper. If they need parking, make sure they have parking. If they need permits, make sure they have permits. But give them what they need. You know, you're you're putting it on them. It's on you. You're the favor. This is this is this is the problem with a lot of these urban centers. You've got people who aren't making decisions that will help keep their city going. That's why they're running to the suburbs. We don't want them to run to the

suburbs. We want them to come back to the city. We don't want to go down south to Atlanta. We want to stay here. If I could have stayed here and done well, I would have. But I couldn't. And in the 40 years that I've been, the city has gone downhill. Downhill. And it's up to you to bring it. Bring it back. Get a get a get an idea of what you want to do. That greenhouse, I went to Nottingham, Nottingham High School. That greenhouse manufacturing should not be on Jese Street. It should not. But I sat here and listened to you and you approved it. It's a manufacturing place. It should be on Erie Boulevard. The roofing should not be on Salina Street. But what build what what business is is he going to put in his building? You have to help him make that decision and then give him the tools to do it. This is on you. Thank you. Hi, my name is Satie Hodes. I live at 108 Mallister AB. Um, I think this would be a great opportunity for children. I'm a teen. I'm a teen mom and I have teen children and I also foster children as well. And there is nothing out there for these children but to follow somebody else and get in trouble. And if she's willing to look out for these children and make a change in the town and bring Syracuse back to life like everybody else is saying, I think you guys should give her that opportunity.

Thank you. Thank you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward.

Uh, yes. Hi, my name is Titus Nickens. I live at 154 St. Louis A um on behalf of Shaqula which is my best friend coworker we do construction work together great woman and I and I stand here today and I know she want change I know she's not trying to do something to do something else I know she want to help the community um make it stronger like she said for people like us we don't have it and y'all the only ones that can give us the opportunity and I'm saying she's about to do something great and I feel it. Give her the opportunity. Let her get a chance to win or fail, but give her that chance. So, like I say, thank you. I'd like to always say one more thing. She wants a liquor-free space. But even if she didn't want a liquor-free space, why couldn't she get the business? If she qualifies to have a liquor liquor license, then she should have that business and have the opportunity to run that business. My uncle had worked his bar and grill for 40 years in the 15th ward. until urban renewal came and took it away and you saw that it has never been replaced. Those lots are still vacant. Are there other individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application? If so, come to the podium. Provide your name, your address, and your comments. Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? Please come forward. provide your name, address, and comments for the record.

Again, uh Derek Dunford. Um I have I own a property two doors over at 4114 South Salina Street. I don't have a problem with what she wants to do, per se. Don't think it's the right property. This property, it was a billiards. It was upstairs, is not bowling alley for what that's worth. A little history there. Um there was a bar on the end for a long time. It was called Gippers which operated in probably 1if the space at the time. That's going back some years now. I've been on I've been in my property for 30 years now. I plowed that lot that's behind her her property his property I should say. Um there's arguably four five spots even if Jim the lawyer next door gives them two or three more. As a PE person in the middle of the block, I have concern with the park parking for sure. It is tight. I I'm telling you, you can look at their site map. I would guess it's probably 20 ft deep there. Uh between where the end of the old mo used to be a motel at the end probably 60 years ago, maybe more. Um you're going to have a hell of a time getting in and out of there. There was no as a guy who plows snow, there is nowhere to plow snow, there's an empty lot out back. If they want to buy that, then I would be like, "Okay, then you got room for

So, and then so I I like what she's doing, but Aeron's rental would be a better building for that. The plaza I know is very difficult. That would be a better spot for mostly just the situation with the parking is absolutely dreadful there. I have cars coming through there all the time. When it was Rena Center, it was absolutely a nightmare as the tractor trailers would come through there constantly. They cut through all the back properties. Everybody in the neighborhood cuts through. They skip the light at the corner of Daws and Salina and it's like a highway going to the liquor store which is Craft Liquors which is just right behind there. We've got the car wash there with a ton of traffic. There's no parking. I mean, if you got 150 person parking spot and you're talking 50 cars, I could see it if she could make a deal with Alicott Development, who is enormously difficult to deal with, as I've done work for them over the years. They're not going to allow it. No way in hell. Um, you know, again, I'm not here to bash her business. I I get it. I get supporting the community. I've been there 56 years. I've seen it change and things like that. Unfortunately, I I my my opinion is I mean that's it's a tough location for what she's trying to do. I I'm I'm not really seeing the business plan for whatever that's worth of Okay, I'm I don't know how many children are up to 1:00 a.m. I don't know what the age groups we're talking about here, but a lot old saying that nothing good goes after midnight and on after midnight, but and I get it, but if it's a bar or whatever, you know, so I I don't kind of see the business plan. I know that building well. The roof's a show. Sorry, I shouldn't have said that, but uh it's there's there's a serious amount of work that needs to be put into that property. As a city resident who owns a lot of property, I go in with a plan. I present the plan. I there's financing that should be in order so that you know you guys have not personally you guys maybe, but over the years the city has let projects go on without proper financing. They just ripped two houses down on Slime Street because the land bank gave

up two properties to redevelop. You sold them to the wrong guy and he took a $400,000 loan, took the money, left properties just got ripped down. Like I would think we'd be want to cross our tees and dot our eyes on this. That's all. Thank you. Other individuals who may wish to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. 316 Monosella Drive North, North Valley resident for 40 years. Um uh listening to this event center idea, the question I have is this a teen center I

all okay ages but it it sounds like it's confusing what exactly what it's going to do what it's going to be. Um, we've had two establishments there that have caused extreme issues with parking in the neighborhoods late at night and in other other properties. So, like from the rent from the errands rena center place in Dunkin Donuts and all over the Burger King and all that. This one when it was operating before uh previously the same thing was going on in another part of the neighborhood. Now the Valley Plaza doesn't want to have anything to do with these kind of things because of all the incidents that have happened there and the injuries and the deaths and whatever. So the buildings could be used for a roofing and siding company. I mean it could be used for many many things but the problem is the parking and I I pro I provided that image to you um in my in my paper um it's an undeveloped or unimproved street small houses close together um and when this parking goes in there after hours Now, if she wanted to operate to 10:00 at night or something, I mean, week nights, I can't see anybody operating at one because that neighborhood's going to be totally disturbed. Uh, on the weekends, what would happen is they would park up and

down the streets, Filillmore, Walworth, all the other streets on the other end. And then when they disperse, they go out into the cars and then there's loud music playing out in the cars in the neighborhood. So this goes on and on and on. It's not the closure time. It goes on two, three hours after that. So, and I have tapes of it actually. Not her, not her development, but other other similar kinds of things. So I don't see how you get around that. So I agree with um Derek about that. Um so the other I have a lot of questions about the hours of operation. I just can't understand why on week nights you would be open to one in the morning with work and school. Um, and those houses on Daw and Anderson, they could bleed over in Anderson, they they need to sleep. And this these places disturb people's sleep. I know for sure that that happens because I've been told by neighbors. Um, so anyway, um, I am a member of Fawn. Um, Rhonda's here over there. Um, we've been trying to track a grocery store back in the plaza. are getting something sometime getting something small and we have a storefront. We host a market. Um community bank has come in and um Cure Leaf uh has improved the front of the plaza. I think they're trying to get the plaza back and and we're trying to get that area back. We're not abandoning it. We're working on it. Um, but the neighborhoods are vulnerable.

They're lower income, moderate income. I mean, you just heard the South Valley scream. I mean, and they got a lot more going on down a lot more benefits going on down there than we do. These are these are vulnerable neighborhoods. And when you have something going on on Salina Street that erodess into those neighborhoods, then you're going to lose them. So you got to be very careful. So I agree there's got to be opportunity, but it's got to be appropriate. So and yeah, I don't I there's actually spaces in the plaza where you could have Well, I mean, I don't know.

Okay. Okay. Well, that and that's a problem. That's a problem. So, and and it's undefined in your application. So, I'm that's a problem. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Are there other individuals who wish to speak? Hang on one second. Hang on one second. We're still on the not in favor. Just just just hang on a minute. Okay. We've all been here a little while. Thank you. So, are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition? Uh, please come to the podium and provide your name and address. I'm mad. Y'all let that guy talk an hour.

I want to strangle him. Yeah. Uh, I get what she's saying, but the problem is the parking cuz, you know, we don't have curves and um it's been some after hour activity last summer. Could could you give your name and address for the record?

Cemetery 136 Dolls and dug up my yard. So, I had to $850 out of my pocket to repair my yard. Then I'm on the way out of town. My grandkids call me and saying, "Granddad, oh, we can't sleep. It's loud music. This 3:00 in the morning." Okay. Another time, get on my camera, looking at the camera footage. I think it was about 4 in the morning. coming from that location, squat down in my yard, took a dump, wiped the butt, left the tissue, drove off. So, the thing is, I get what she's saying. Good idea. But the parking, it got to do something about that in the late hours. Can't sleep. Waking up the grandkids, waking up me. Got to work in the morning. They up to 5, 6, 7 o'clock in the morning. So, but this a good idea, but that's a bad street cuz you know it's a small street, private street, quiet street, a lot of kids. So, that's what I got to say. Good. Good idea, but bad parking uh situation there. So,

thank you. That's what I want to say.

Other individuals wishing to speak in opposition, please come to the podium. Hi, my name is Ron VC uh 117 Sica Drive in the valley. Um it's hard to envision um having a space where there's no parking. Um the opportunities that need to happen for the event space like Harlem Nights that just lost their space or even um the taste of Brooklyn because of adequate appropriate space. So, I've been in the community since the p during the pandemic with, as Kath Kathy mentioned, um an organization that I started, Food Access Healthy Neighborhoods. Now, um the community um right there in the valley is the highest percentage of impoverishment in the nation. Without a grocery store, um there is no access to fresh food. So what my organization has done was created a farmers market. Uh we started on the Valley Plaza um and we now since have space in the Valley Plaza um working hard um to acquire a store which the gentleman mentioned um from the food expansion grant that Governor Hokll gave $1.7 million is bringing a grocery store into the Valley Plaza. Um uh not only that because of the article that ran um with me uh it made it to and this is this will be public uh knowledge

uh March 24th. Uh the article ran to Cincinnati, Ohio to the desk of McKesen Pharmaceuticals. um they were looking um for space which they call project oasis with pharmacy deserts. Well, lo and behold, we're also a pharmacy desert. And as of um last week, we sealed the deal. We will now also have a pharmacy coming into the Valley Plaza as well. So dealing with a private property owner, it has had its share of struggle. Uh but I have maintained my position to work diligently like um the young lady said to work for the sake of the community. Um we're not there yet. Um but continued um perseverance, I won't stop either. Um we're going to get the things that we need. It's it's sad that we don't have with all the empty spaces that we do have space where someone who wants to open an even space that has parking on site. Um, I often think about the huge space um down Nedro where Kmart used to be. I'm not sure if that's acquired by anyone right now, but that's a huge open space. Um, but there must be especially with all the abandoned houses that somebody else has mentioned. Um but the work that we have done uh in over the 5 years um including Wednesdays we have a wellness Wednesday in helping the community. Um I've partnered with University Hospital, Food

Bank of Central New York, Anadaga County, Syracuse Community Health, Syracuse University, ESF, and the list goes on because I can't do it on my own. Um, I've had to find backing and community involvement from folks right in the community. Um, working with city, local, state officials to help get things done. Where is there space for good parking to have an event space where we won't see what we saw over the last I guess 2 years that as um Kathy mentioned what had happened with the spill out after um which wasn't supposed to be a a night place an event nighttime space happened um on Filillmore or even I think this establishment and around the corner um had some issues at the same time um that the other place inside the the Valley Plaza had issues. Where is their adequate space and the kind of assistance that's needed to open up um a space for folks at a birthday parties for kids or space for adults. I that won't cause havoc for a residential community on a commercial main drive. Uh that's what I want to say. So I am working hard to help prevent what we've gone through and help build up what we don't have. And that's what I want to say.

Thank you.

Thank you. Other individuals who may wish to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. I don't see any additional speakers. As noted at the beginning, uh the applicant has the opportunity to address um comments made in opposition. So to shortly answer everybody's questions because it is late. Um the best thing that I can do is work with you guys individually but with a community as a community. Um I'm happy to know that we do have another grocery store and another you know another business coming. But my question is do they look like you? You said well or do

will is great because that's what we want to do. We want to be able to build into our our community. Okay. Sorry. It's okay. Just talk to us. We understand. It's always tempting to talk. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. It's all right. It's okay.

Aside from that, as I said before, um it's not ideal the times that I've been given. These are the times that I'm forced to have and I'm not letting that stop me, you know. So, whatever I have to do, I will do to accommodate. Um, every question that has been formed from the Syracuse zoning, I have put my teeth on the side of the I 81 project, jumped over this bridge building it. I'm a part of the change of the community already as is, and I just want to continue to do that. If I'm wrong, please deny me. Maybe this might be too much I'm asking for. Any other questions for me? Okay. I did. I had one.

Okay. So, when is the last time you talked to the folks over here at the city planning and zoning office? When is the last time you actually talked to them? Yes. Okay. And they have been of help. Okay. And that's what we want. We want them to be of help. What is it that they are still asking you to do in your mind? What else do you have to do? Nothing. That's why I'm here. We had this for one year. It's been two years. Correction. I'm hoping it's

correction. Cuz so first they had me fill out a long-term site plan which took out a duration of a year and then they gave me a court date to come here and I don't know if you guys remember I came and I still said to watch the process to see how everything works cuz I'm super nervous. Um but this is my second time here. So, okay. Clearly I I'm hoping I answered all of their questions with that. Go ahead. Excuse me. Have you had any a meeting a neighborhood meeting with the dogs and behind the neighborhood?

I have not because I don't I don't I I am aware of the things that has happened before me. The only thing that I will semi because I can't say I will control or can control. I am not Jesus Christ. But I will my hardest make sure that when I do do things for, you know, our college kids, I want them to be able to have a reward, something to look forward to. I myself, I am a walk-in testimony. I have been through everything that they're going through. I just had enough resources that stood by my side and told me to use my resources, and that's why I'm here. Could I could I may I ask something towards this?

The gentleman talk about the park and the issue of parking. Continue to come up. The city says a parking space is what is required for this business to go forward. Okay. Thank you.

Well, I thought I talk loud all the time so I practice it. I was saying that the city has asked us that they only needed eight parking space for this business. I try to buy the lot. There's two lots across from the property. There's a um a pizza place right there and there's a lot next to it. I'm in discussion to buy it, but in my conversation with the city that is not allowed to turn to a parking space. There's another big lot on and right next to the back of the property and the city tried to buy it. I've reached out to the owners. I have not yet kind of contact them. I'm trying my best to buy it, but I also spoke with the city and the city is is not allowed. We have a commercial property that you have allowed to build that have satisfied the zoning requirement for over a year and she says two years that we've been at this. It need to go by and pass and give her that there's nothing else holding her back. Everything you ask for has been given to you. There's absolutely no reason other than hear what the young lady the young lady saying that she the some of the concern. Two two people have said that they're concerned. The other gentleman drive through the property to go to his property. He drives through the property to get to his property. We the the attorney that I brought I read the letter to he has a right away to go to the property and those are different hours of operation. There's nothing else in that community other than what we are trying to do. The community itself is trying to build for himself for a very long time. We've been trying to talk to the governor. We've been talking to the mayor and they have not invested in our community. We have to invest into our community. And we don't have to like the way that it looks, but we do have to invest. And the people are finally moving it. And everyone should lend a hand, not pull it back. Give thanks.

Very very briefly, I'll tie you. People are complaining about parking. I feel like that's a a very small issue, but as the the um the lady said, is a very poor neighborhood, but did these same people come and have any objection to there being a marijuana dispensary across the street?

Across the street. I'm sure there was no objection to that, but she's trying to have a space for children. And as far as the traffic as as far as as far as the traffic on the side street, I'm sure that the people who live on dolls know that that traffic came from an illegal afterhour spot in the barber shop, not the building that she's speaking of that they're trying to do something in. They know that. But it's it just it boggles my mind. Somebody's trying to do something good for the community and there's push back about parking, but there is a marijuana dispensary across the street in the same impoverished neighborhood that everyone is okay with. And that is what's wrong with not just the city, but everywhere. So, you're saying it's okay to leave your house and go buy an ounce of weed from this establishment right here. But it's not okay to walk from your house to the spot right in between your house and that marijuana dispensary to go in here and possibly look up avenues to do something else with your life. I just it doesn't make sense to me to push back about parking when there's a much bigger problem across the street. There's a marijuana dispensary right here and 200 feet across the street there's a liquor store. But that's okay. But you have something somebody's trying to do something for the people and your problem is parking. Put that same energy into helping her secure parking. You got that park that the Valley Plaza across the street. If everybody has an issue with parking, then help.

If the biggest issue is parking, then fix it. Parking lot. Well, there's not really much space to put a parking lot. But there is a massive parking lot across the street that is used probably 20% of its capacity. There's got to be a way. They do it downtown.

There has to be a way. It's just it it boggles my mind when people can complain about or have push back on something that's good, but they're quiet about a dispensary of something that was illegal two years ago. But it's okay now because there's money to be made. But it's a drug still. And there's another drug selling place across the street. This is it. You're right. It's okay to destroy your community and destroy your young minds and your young brains, but it's not okay to exercise it. And that's all I got to say. That just to me is just crazy. There's push back about a community center or an event space for our people. But there's no problem or push back against a marijuana dispensary across the street or the illegal afterhour spots. That has nothing to do with this spot.

That's all I have to say. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you.

I think we've heard from those wishing to speak in favor, those wishing to speak in opposition, and uh response from the applicant to those in opposition. So, we will close public comment on this application. Um, I look to my colleagues to see if there is interest in formulating the motion for action on this or if there's a desire to uh digest what was presented tonight, both spoken and written. So maybe while we think about it, I have a question for staff. What's left in terms of your request of the applicant? There's no outstanding uh requirements or needs on our end. There's listed conditions based on reviews and based on uh the site and the constraints around some of the impacts that you've heard mentioned tonight that are a part of all land use approvals. Things like noise, traffic, parking that that goes into every land use project that you hear. Um it really comes down to the conditions and um you know a commitment uh for the site improvements. Some of this is maybe on more on the landlord or the building owner. There are some open violations uh as well. Um there have been illegal events held in this space. I I do know that. I'm not saying it was associated to this uh this tenant uh before us today, but certainly the owner owned the building at the time. Um but those are yeah outside of those items we don't have any outstanding items and I do want to uh give a comment on some clarity around the the time constraint.

Previously there was a potential parking agreement with the Siko gas station to the south which is governed by a special use permit. So we couldn't allow parking there outside of the approved times that govern that business. So that that might be where she's saying the six to1 came from. We're not dictating, nobody on the zoning staff is dictating the hours. Like she needs to propose hours to this board and that needs to be approved as part of, you know, an approval process. Um, so there's nothing prohibiting that, but I that's where that came from. Okay.

But all the conditions that are in our information have been relayed to the tenant and we need a commitment from the tenant and the landlord for these conditions and for requested improvements. Correct.

Okay. Yeah. So, I we have the conditions, the nine conditions, and many of the nine conditions address some of the issues that have been raised. Uh the parking problem does seem to me to still be a substantial problem. And I can't I don't really understand what to do about that. Uh because the spaces that are available would not cover an event that holds 100 people. Uh and so what do we do about that? Does that mean that in this event space the number of people that can participate in a given point in time is restricted by parking or do we say the parking issue doesn't matter. I mean it seems all the parking spaces that I see on paper that are available would not cover a large event. U so what do we do with that I guess is my question. Yeah. I mean, so again, we have parking minimums and, you know, there's reductions that can be met with uh, you know, is it on a bus line, bike parking, uh, things of that nature.

Uh, I mean, we don't want a sea of asphalt parking citywide. Um, but, you know, you make a valid point. Um, what types of events are going to be happening here? How many people, what kind of crowds is it going to draw? Like, I mean, size of crowds is what I mean. How many people are going to be actually showing up here? How are they getting here? like, yeah, if a 100 if if a 150 person event uh was being held here and there were 50 cars, I I think it's something to consider as far as how does it impact Daws and all the side streets over there. Um, right. But yeah, I don't I don't know. I wish I had a magic wand to wave for a solution to it,

but it is on a major bus line and it will be part of the BRT system. Uh so over time there certainly will be accessibility to the site through mass transit but that's years away and we're still stuck with the problem of either we have to res it seems we either have to restrict the number of people that may be able to participate or figure out some other way to deal with the parking situation. And I I just want to say on the parking though the application meets the codes requirement for parking. Is that correct? It meets the code minimums. Yes. Minimum for the for the building for the event property. Yeah. For the use.

For the use. I mean, I guess that's the problem with the definition of an event space, right? Because I mean, there could be a thousand people in the event space. I mean, we have nothing on paper about how many people could be involved in this. And there could be a number of people that could create a problem. So, how do we deal with that? And it's not just parking, but it's primarily parking. And just to be clear, every time we review any property, we get the comments about the after hours Dunkin Donuts.

We reviewed that four times. The speaker was too loud, the light was too bright, and then the neighbor said when the restaurant closed, people congregated. So this isn't just a this particular venue. This is a all across the city, north,sou, east, and west. Somebody says to us, you know, when the business is closed, Mr. Chairman, these other people come in and they're at the gas station, they're at the restaurant, and sadly across the street from this proposed venue, we lend loss of life. And it's a private property owner across the street. As big as that parking lot is, the private property owner decides if they want to lease 10 spaces, 50 spaces, which they started to do once, and then they stopped. We had restaurants who tried to help and made arrangements to release spaces. So, this is a recurring problem. It's not just this venue tonight and it's going to come up again. Um, but my sense is we try to go ahead with this. We bring up a motion.

Or is yours? So, Is that the is that the nine conditions? Well, yeah. Uh but the nine conditions don't address the fundamental parking problem of if you have 100 people there and you have 50 cars, what's that going to do to the neighborhood? I hate like heck to not approve a project because of a parking issue, but it's not an insubstantial problem. Now, if we can figure out a way that the owner can work with code to solve that problem, then then great. I mean I I think we should try and go ahead with it if we can. But this is a issue

and we can't make the issue go away by simply pretending it's not an issue. But similar to other applications that we Dunkin Donuts being a good example down the street,

you know, one of the things that we asked it, we can't obviously make everybody do it, but we seen it. We have seen it work is for the applicants and operators to meet with the neighbors and just sort of say, "Okay, here's what I'm thinking about. Do you want us to notify you? Do how do you how could we notify you? Is there email? Is there something? So that everybody's on the same page and on surprise because the surprises seem to then be more upsetting than prior knowledge, right? So I think if we could um if you everybody's agreeable or the applicant and the owner is agreeable to that that that is a start of you know good neighbor policy etc for the Senate for the states

perhaps notification. I I don't think we can really make it. You know, if they don't do it, what are we going to do? Nothing. But, you know, I don't know how to make people talk to each other. I'm just suggesting it would go right, right? It would go a long way towards the start.

Yeah. What what actually did happen fairly well with the Dunkin Donuts situation is we did over successive meetings. I think it was at three meetings that we held it and we required conversations with the neighbors and Miss Dibbley was involved and had other neighbors from the area and that eventually got us to a place where we could approve it because there was a consensus that had emerged. If we can come up with something like this in this situation that that might be the way forward. The floor is yours, Walter. Well, he we have he'd like to say something else with the property owner. Oh, yeah. The microphone, please. And brief. Oh, yeah.

I just wanted to contribute that we saw who came out that the neighbors it was posted so they were given an opportunity. The young lady put it on her uh Facebook marketplace so everyone could be alerted to come out and negative or positive so we could hear what is the concerns of the community so we can satisfy it. That's always took this year. I think if I feel it's only a year, she feels longer. But we have tried we have tried to be amicable to what's going on in the community. We we we hope that they use our space. That's our success. That's what we want. We want them. We need their money to make it viable for for the young lady to succeed. So please understand.

I'm I'm going to hold off on an additional comment. Is our s our sense then we want one. So, meeting with the neighborhood before we vote on this? Either it can be a condition. It can be a condition. Okay. However you want to do it. Well, it's pro. It seems to me it's pretty problematic as a condition. Uh I mean, I don't know how we'd enforce that. What Okay. Exactly how that would work. So, this is this is what we're calling homework. We would like we would like them to talk to the neighbors and come back with with something with letters with something that show that the neighbors understand what's going to happen.

Is the gentleman who lives on DAW still here? Can you get your information? Can you exchange information with them and you and your neighbors can meet with them? Right. But I'm just saying after the meeting, not right now. I'm sorry. Just saying after the meeting, exchange the information. Yeah. Okay. So, we're thinking of holding this to the next meeting in April. We are. Okay. Whenever you and then if we can have the feedback that the neighbors now at least they they've had a chance to talk to you, better understanding, right?

Okay. He's saying they've met the requirement. Okay. So, we're understanding is there's a bigger issue even though we're saying it meets the minimum for the operation of the business. Realistically, once they have an event, if it's 10 people,

I think we're hearing that there's a potentially large impact on the neighborhood and we're trying to navigate that. Well, part of the problem is the event space lacks criteria and we have nothing about the number of participants in any given event. So, it'd be great as a as an event space if there's 20 or 30 people there at events regularly. But if you're going to have events that have larger numbers, then that's when it becomes a problem. So, how do we deal with it? Do we restrict the numbers or we just hope that nothing's going to happen that we're going to have not going to have a problem with parking? I think you could do that. Um, yeah, but again

as detailed in that uh design drawing, I think a proposed occupancy based on that layout was, you know, 157 if I saw it correctly, but not saying that that's what how many people she would have in there, but um yeah, sure. So 150 people show up. Yeah, I think it's it's something that should be worked out. Where, you know, where do all those cars go? Unless I hear a motion, I think we're on hold and with a recommendation that there be some dialogue uh with the applicant and neighbors to see if there might be some meeting of the mind or some accommodations. Well, perhaps additional dialogue with uh the code the planning staff about the the parking problem because I mean part of the problem is we we we can't approve a discussion and that's part of what what's happening here.

Uh so I I just I'm uncomfortable not seeing the numbers worked out in a way that that isn't going to create a problem and we're just kicking the can down the road if we if we pretend that it's not going to happen. The only reason why it's hard to come up with a number and by law and as much as I want to tell you guys I'm God and I'm a prophet and I can bring you all together and and I can change everything. I can't help you guys. But like seriously this is something to be a part of that we're we've closed public comment now. We need to move forward. Um there's no motion on this that I've heard. We've got some additional business to deal with this evening. Um, so we will hold this item and return to it uh at our next meeting, which will be a April 6th, I think. April the April the 6. It's a Monday, three weeks from tonight. Our next application, please. Uh, next up is the Syracuse Utility Thermal Energy Network project at 751 Van Renolier North Gettis. Owner core uh Van Renolier Co. Uh, applicant is

Niagara Mohawk Power Corp. This is in the MX4 zone district. Could you I don't know who's driving. Could you pull up those slides? Okay.

Okay. We can we can do without. Um so, uh my name is Will Hackett. I'm a project manager at National Grid here in Syracuse. And uh the application we put forward today, um we do have some hard copies, which I guess is good. Um the application today for site plan review involves the property at the corner of Gettys and Van Rancelier. Um that's for a proposed energy center property which is part of a uh laral larger thermal energy network that uh national grid is proposed to be constructed in that neighborhood. So very briefly I'll just give a little context for what that is because I think it does impact what we're talking about. So a thermal energy network most people don't know what that is. Um, think of a campus setting, a hospital, a college, something like that, where you have multiple private buildings that are connected by pipes moving heat around. So, normally like a hospital, you might have a steam plant, you have boilers that are making that steam and you're sending it around.

So, historically in this country, a lot of the time, um, that's sort of where those uh that use stops is in those private settings where you have one owner that controls everything. So, as part of the state's broader climate goals and the push for uh all electric buildings, in 2022, uh they passed the utility thermal energy network and jobs act. And what that did is it mandated the seven largest utilities in the state to put forward these feasibility studies to look for areas within their service territory where they could construct thermal energy networks to efficiently heat and cool a network of buildings. the same way you might in a campus setting, but using green energy in an area where you have multiple property owners. So, think of a neighborhood, something like that. And the reason for that is with the state's broader climate goals um and that push, they know that there there needs to be multiple different solutions to achieve that. Um everybody isn't going to go on airsource powered by solar. You know, you're going to have to look at other options. So, um, flash forward a couple years with this project. What we've proposed is to use, uh, um, use the Anodoga County Metro Wastewater Treatment Plant that, uh, is on Highwa Boulevard as a thermal resource. So, what happens there is every day you have, you know, 65 70 million gallons of water that is treated from the city of Syracuse and discharged to Anodoga Lake. And that water in the winter is much warmer than the air and in the summer it's much cooler than the air. So basically you can capture that resource which is totally unutilized right now and take thermal energy from it in the winter and put thermal energy into it in the summer. Um so this works very similar to how a geothermal well would. Um, you know, you see that in people's houses where you might drill a

single or a couple uh wells that are down a few hundred feet deep because it's warmer down there than it is in the air. So, this is the same technology, but instead of having to drill those wells, you can capture the heat that currently just gets dumped into the environment. Um so what we've done is designed um this this pilot project which is currently under review by the public service commission um waiting for approval to go to construction. And a key component of that is this energy center property. Um so I've got a couple helpers here just to uh tell you details about the building and the neighborhood where that's going to be placed in. Thank you. Um so what's being proposed here uh and I I handed out the um most recent version of the um site plan. Um, so on there it's got the um the city zoning um and bulk requirements and um shows uh that the the proposed structure there uh meets all of the city's current requirements. Um so what's being requested as part of this project is uh uh major site plan approval and a uh special use permit for um the major utility use which in MX4 zoning district is a uh special permit use. So um as part of the application we submitted a uh letter outlining the the city's uh special use permit criteria. Um, so I won't belabor each of those points. Um, I'll just, uh, mention that the, um, you know, a lot of the criteria relates to

compatibility with the city's, uh, land use and, uh, comprehensive plan and those requirements. And I think this project especially um you know apart from meeting the um the city's sight specific requirements in terms of uh bulk and uh area coverage um when you look at the city's comprehensive plan for 2040 um there are a number of goals there related to um sustainability and uh energy resources. So um one of those goals is uh reducing the city's um impact and volume of energy use. So I think this project is uh kind of uniquely situated to um address that goal specifically and and advance the uh city's goal. Um and uh in terms of the um environmental sustainability aspect of that um utilizing an existing resource um helps advance the the city's um uh sustainability goals in that regard too. Hi, Travis Glazier, external affairs with National Grid. Um, in the packet that was handed out, that's the PowerPoint packet. On page, uh, seven, you'll see the map which shows where the utility thermal energy network will feed through the inner harbor. Um, it starts at the Metro Wastewater Treatment Center, which is what Will mentioned, and goes down Palasky Street where it meets Gettys and North Gettys and goes up to Gettys and reaches this uh, energy center that marks the end of what we call the first loop, right? That's the loop that takes that waste water from uh

Metro and then brings it gets that thermal energy to the energy center. From that area, there's another closed loop which then goes through the neighborhood. It runs up Kurpatre and then to Solar Street and feeds the future development in those areas with the thermal energy, that ambient thermal energy loop. And so you have two separate loops that are feeding and transferring the thermal energy from the water that comes from Metro into the um into the loop that then feeds the residential distribution center. So that is going to be essential for helping future development. As you know, the Iron Pier project used geothermal core who's the developer there is really interested in this technology. they've got experience with it and this is essentially providing them that resource without having to dig the wells. In addition, our largest customer will be the uh Anadaga County Aquarium. Um we have a facility, you'll see on that map, there's a small facility which will provide the thermal energy and allow the aquarium to then utilize that green energy as well. Um in addition, there are other unused lots within that area which then will have access to this. This is a 5-year pilot pilot project. Um and the the intention or the the future use is to potentially build out afterwards. Um so the this this is being scaled in such a way that there is the opportunity um for future expansion in this neighborhood. But this first 5ear stint is really about those those buildings which are outlined there. It's really the core properties and the other adjacent properties on Kurpatre solar um and obviously the aquarium. Thank you. So, where what's the distance between this the venue for this facility and the metro land?

Rough roughly down to the inch. No, I am no engineer. Um, yeah. So, that's about a block and a half basically. You you come out of the metro plant and you go down that first block of Palasi. Um and well sorry two blocks let's say um then the second block and pretty much you're at that intersection right there. So it's a the legal address is Van Renolier but it'll it's actually on the Gatus side of it. Is there an optimal distance or optimal range for a facility such as this to capture the energy that's leaving the plant? dissipation over distance that creates problems or

not so much. Um mainly because you're in the ground, you have a high enough flow and these are large diameter pipes. We're installing this now is is consistent too, a consistent flow,

right? And the intention is to be able to expand this in the future. You know, that wastewater treatment plant is a huge untapped resource. So, we're doing this as a pilot because that's what we were asked to do. But once we do the proof of concept, at that point, you already have pipe in the ground to be able to go in other directions. And you know, just a note about that expandability, there's there's over 600 wastewater treatment plants in the state of New York. So, if you can prove this out as a way to do it and efficiently heat and cool buildings, this is something we can show other municipalities and and private owners how to do. Thank you. Additional questions for the team.

So, I'm sure you're all aware that the common council just uh approved the moratorum on BES and just want to make sure for people listening or people here who may have some questions, this is not a BES operation and there are no lithium batteries involved that that are going to catch fire and yeah. So, that's that's sort of the beauty of this is it's just water. Um, so you you have water that you're moving around to using that as a carrier for the heat. So there's there's no electricity, there's no battery storage, nothing nothing like that.

Okay. So you mentioned the conceiving of this in in the material is conceived as a five-year project, pilot project. So does that mean the the lease is for five years with the property owner? Because I know there's a comment if we if if it's not continued, you may sell the building or whatever. So just talk a little bit about that and what's involved.

Yeah. So I mean obviously it it doesn't make any sense to do this for, you know, a short period. The way the legislation works though is it required you to propose this five-year pilot and then PSC will tell you what you're going to do. So at the end of that um you know everything we do will be submitted back for review and you know there will be other projects throughout the state probably by other utilities and they'll be able to see you know what works and what doesn't and and make decisions moving forward but it's more just working within that legislation for now. Great. Great. Great. So I mean what we want you to see is success in the within the legislation. Right. Great. Thanks. Additional questions. You your turn. Okay. Um,

no. No. So, I noticed I note that the Anandaga planning board, Anandaga County Planning Board has asked us to take a look and talk with you about additional screening, which I completely agree with. um on the streetscape which includes a corner if I saw it correctly today. Um I believe but in any event the goal would be to have better greening of the area in front of your buildings. Yeah. So so just point of clarification is it actually won't be on the corner. It's that's a fairly large lot and we're over at the

I guess map west end of it. Um so you're you're just on Gatus as far street frontage. Um so what we did do in the revised drawing which is in the packet I believe is we did add some additional screening along the sides and the rear. That was how we interpreted that comment. If more is desired in the front, we can certainly do that too. Um we're actually more space constrained on the back and the side. Um, but the thought was that would provide some more screening up against what will be, you know, residential in the future. And the, um, I'm assuming that there is a containment plan if there's a leak in the storage tank.

Yeah. So, you know, again, the beauty of it is that it's water, but even so, it's a large volume of water. So, we'll be required through our environmental compliance department to register that and have spill control plans and um that'll all be administered the same way all of our other tanks that don't contain water um are throughout the state. Okay. And my last question is more it's a 2 and a half acre parcel. You're using just about one acre of the parcel,

right? And I'm assuming that I guess my question is is there a in your opinion because of the nature of the business is there a setback that you think needs to occur from your structure?

No. And what we did is through our facility sighting process, we we looked at this and determined it's it's not explosive. It's low pressure. Um you know, it's we're normally we're used to dealing with electricity and natural gas. So, you know, the medium here is different. Um, obviously you, you know, you don't want you wouldn't put a house right next to a property line, and this is no different than that. Um, but as far as a setback, just from a safety perspective, no, we didn't determine any concerns there. Thank you.

Okay. The pilot programs for five years. Once it's constructed, up and running, what's the proposed life of this? So the proposed life is it's if you have to put a number on it, what are we going to say, Brendon? 50 to 75 years. The reality is it's HTTP pipe. So that number that gets detached to it is more just because there's not data to show anything to the contrary with maintenance. You're saying exactly because everything in the ground is plastic and what's above ground. I mean, pumps fail. Obviously, heat exchangers need to be replaced, but those are all wear items that you would replace over time. It's not something that would cause the system to be shut down.

And it's it's built in a way that in a in an area that, you know, has a massive 120 ines of snow and then has a temperature range into the upper 90s, this is going to be able to stand outside and be safe for the public. Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, everything that's inside the building is that's a conditioned building. Uh the tank is insulated and everything else is in the ground. So yeah, we're we're definitely set up for for our exciting climate. Look at the weather forecast for today. This is a more active place than other places you could have put it. Um the other question is is technology in use currently any place else?

It is. So you know in sort of typical fashion this is far more common outside of the US. Um, but even here, uh, there's an operating system in Vancouver that's very similar to this. Um, and there are also private systems elsewhere in the US. There's one outside of Denver, I believe, and I think there's something similar in where's the other one? Texas. Yeah. Well, there's campus systems, but as far as more, you know, larger scale um, systems that involve private property owners, things like that, um, those are sort of the best examples.

Thank you. Another question. Uh, what do you anticipate in terms of routine or semi-ine maintenance for the facility? I understand we've not done one of these before, so some of that's up in the air to some extent, I'm guessing, but what would you imagine? How frequently would you need to access the facility for some sort of um routine maintenance to keep it in good working order? So it it sort of changes over time because this again is going to be a new facility, new to us and the whole point is to learn how to do this. So the beginning I would expect to see daily traffic as you're trying to wrap your head around this.

But the best analog for this honestly that we've spent quite a bit of time looking at is Cornell University. They have a lake source cooling plant and they cool most of their campus buildings with CUGA lake water. Okay. Um that facility is very very similar to ours. to the same technology. Um, and that's been running place for a long time. It's been running for over 20 years and we've gone to visit that. We've talked to them and I mean they're more into a system now at this point where they have somebody that visits once a week. Um, and you collect data, you check on things and then you know you have preventative maintenance that's scheduled throughout the year. But they're kind of on autopilot I would think by now. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you. So, a little bit of just a little bit of maintenance here and I apologize because we we're running late, but um we have to be out of this building at 10:00. Um we cannot perform seeker on this because the public service commission was listed as an additional agency. So, I politely ask like I'm not trying to rush you guys, but we got some other people in here that we want to give some opportunities so we can hopefully get done. So, since they have to come back since we can't do seeker, I'm asking if you will politely uh agree to that and come back to us in 3 weeks. Thank you. Happy to do so. All right. Sorry. And thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Before Oh, no. No. This is all Yeah, it's all our next application, please. All right. Next up is uh 311 Comtock. It's a major site plan review. I'm going to try to give you both five minutes, otherwise we got to all get out of this building. So, um, please if you can make an abbreviated presentation. I know we have a lot in the staff reports. Um, we'll try to make it work as best we can. Sorry to put you on the hot seat.

Follow me. Uh, good evening. My name is, uh, Jared McCormack. I'm with DM Architectural, 225 Wilkinson Street in Syracuse. Uh, 311 Comtock is the, uh, demolition proposed demolition of a 2 and a half story approximately 1500 square foot, I believe it's single family, uh, student housing. and the construction of a new three-story roughly over 2,000 square foot six-unit uh apartment building. Um unique site because it does not have a driveway access off comtock. It is accessed on the the rear through an ement uh that comes out on Harrison Street. Um, and I guess the parking is basically just expanding a little bit more to provide an accessible space and some additional snow storage, but it stays in place as far as is what it is and does meet the uh does meet the requirements of of zoning. Um, I don't know if I need to describe the building or anything like that if that helps or trying to keep it short.

Six dwelling units. Yeah, six dwelling units. Yep. And it's currently vacant, right? hasn't been used. It hasn't been rented for a while. Or is are there units in there? How many units? There's It's only one unit. It's only one unit now. Oh, okay. Great. So, we're replacing one with six. Yes. It's a good thing. Okay. Thanks. Sure. Aerial apparatus access, right? It's under 30 ft. Yeah, we worked through uh initial comments during the the pre-development. Just want to confirm that. Thank you. Additional questions for the applicant. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Is there anyone wishing to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. Provide your name, address, and comments. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward. Provide your name, address, and comments. I see no one rising to speak. We'll close public comment. Um turn our attention to the seeker review for this application. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EAF part one prepared by the applicant contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes.

Has anyone on the board believe the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SRA? Having determined that it will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly. Thank you. Is there a motion to that effect for seeker? Make a motion to issue negative seeker declaration. Second. There's discussion. If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker. Motion carries. Is there a motion for action on the major site plan review? This is

sir. In consideration of the application, staff analysis and the discussion during this hearing. finding application in compliance with major site plan review criteria and make a motion to approve application MASPR-25-32 as presented with two conditions. The first condition is the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval of all major site plan applications and in addition to this uh general condition snow shall be maintained on site in the designated area and shall not encroach into the public rightway of adjacent properties. Second discussion on the motion before us. If there is no discussion, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions. The special or m excuse me, the major site plan review for MASPR 2532 is approved. Our final application this evening, I believe. Special use permit at 911 North Salina Street. This is in the MX4 zone district.

Dang, I'm short. I'll move the mic down. Hi, I'm Tom Dulio. I'm the architect for 911 North Sina Street. We're looking for a special use permit. We're going to change the existing use, which is non-conforming and illegal, which was a gymnasium, to what it was originally, last legal use, which was business A2 along with retail. So, we're doing merkantile, basically. So, we're looking for permission to have a special use permit for a dispensary. This was previously legal before we changed our new zoning stuff, but shouldn't be any issue with it at all. It fits the neighborhood design because we want to revitalize the north line um block of 900. Presently we have beauty salons along with some repair shops and similar similar businesses such as this. So it's all foot traffic that we're looking to work with which will increase the business and hopefully the development of the adjacent vacant buildings. So presently the building was in use but the adjacent buildings have been vacant. So we're trying to revitalize the 900 block of North Salina Street.

Thank you. questions for the applicant. Uh, so the land use designation is smoking establishment, but I understand this is going to be a cannabis dispensary, correct? It's can dispensary. Just cannabis. Okay. Additional questions. Can you just confirm the operating hours? We have the owner, Mr. Kapani, here for that. How you doing? My name is uh Jay Kapani. Um, our operating hours, we're looking to operate uh 10 to 10 on weekdays and uh uh 10 to 2 10 to 2:30, 10:00 a.m. to 2:30 a.m. Thursday through Saturday. Big hours Thursday through Saturday, Jake.

Yeah. Well, we'd like to give uh people a safe option coming home from the bar. Um maybe they could stop, get something to relax, and then head home. Additional questions for the applicant? No. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Are there individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application? If so, please come forward. Provide your name, your address. My name is My name is Hussein Alidi. I own the building next door 925. We would like to give him the opportunity to open up like the area is because most the stores over there could close. So we just like open up the area

and said like being like a lot of trespassing people over there doing drugs. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Next speaker.

Hello. My name is Shar Zan. I'm a local resident in Syracuse, New York. I own a clothing store not too far from the location. I'm very familiar with Jay Kani and Muhammad Azam. Known them for a very long time. And uh I'm here to support local and small business at the same time. There's a lot of illegal uh dispensaries that are open up all over Syracuse. And the situation with that being said, uh I see a lot of situation where people buying marijuana and it's being laced with other products that can harm the pro uh the consumer. Jake and Muhammad uh Aam is providing a safe uh opportunity for people, especially locals that cannot drive downtown, drive anywhere else, it could come to them. Also, you got the hospital, St. Joseph Hospital. a lot of people dealing with different type of situations, depression, PTSD, and uh having this type of location in this part particular area is not only that giving people the opportunity to buy safe uh uh marijuana products is you see this beautiful historical buildings all over Syracuse being uh closed down or they're not being uh updated and uh renovated uh to today's standards. as I see their uh as they got the architect here, they're trying to make the their building not only in a beautiful establishment, but bringing the our city back to life. A lot of cities from a lot of buildings in Syracuse are uh condemned and they have uh loitering and hang out and there's not that much opportunity for small business to actually people to come here and invest in our city. I'm a I own a couple multih properties in Syracuse. I own 622 North State Street. It's a multi-use property. Gives opportunity for small businesses and mixed use where I have some apartments on top and I have other locations from residential and a commercial use. seeing a building like this that's been uh not updated for so many years come in and open up a legit

legal dispensary, you know, compared to other uh businesses where they're selling illegal marijuana, which is not too much concern, but the main concern is a lot of people don't know what they're buying. Having something that's local, safe, and affordable is very huge for our city. Now, we got a lot of people investing in this city, a lot of people coming into this city, but not too many people is actually investing in their community. Having this in our community is huge. I've been a resident in Syracuse, New York for 37 years. I'm uh 37 years old and uh being a local and a small businessman and at the same time a property owner is it's very hard to find young people like this that invest in our city. And I'm I'm pretty sure they're investing a lot of money. And not only the money they're investing is having that localess where people can walk there instead of taking Uber. There's a lot of people in that in that area that could uh use that need these products and to have these products be safe and clean and legally, you know, they could have won a lot of other ways.

Understood. Understood. I'm going to ask you to wrap up if you could because you heard we have to be out of this room in a few minutes and there are a few speakers behind you. So, yes. So, I'll just make it very safe. other speakers too. Exactly. Not leaving until every voice. Okay. Right. Okay. Uh long story short is uh they're doing it the right way. They're not they're going all the legal standards and uh they're complying with law and if they have the opport everybody else have opportunity and I'm a fellow Palestinian by the way. I'm a minority and these guys uh two of them are. Thank you. Long story short is uh to be I'm here to support I'm here to support all local and small businesses. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Appreciate you, speaker. Yes. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Muhammad Aam. Sorry to interrupt you. We're running out of time. If you're if you're in favor, just say your name and say I'm in favor. I'm here to support Jake and I'm at special use permit. And uh yes, I'm in favor of the that the dispensary. Absolutely. Thank you guys. Next speaker.

Yeah, I'm Jacob. I'm Jacob Everson. I own a space down the street about two blocks away. I'm doing a podcast and we're I'm in collaboration with him. I've been speaking to the young guy. I'm in favor with him. I think it'll be a great um opportunity for the community. Um because marijuana is not just all about getting high, it's also a healthy thing. Um it's a lot of good things I could bring to the forefront about this and I'm all in favor for it and um that's why we is legal. So make some more centuries. Thank you guys. Next speaker. My name is Richard Shamaro. Um, I'm the neighbor next door to the building, 917 North Carolina Street, and I'm in favor with this.

Thank you. My name is Linda Dwire. I've lived in the north side for 50 years, and I was really excited about this business taking part here in our area. It's a safe environment for us to go and um at our age we have at my age I have some chronic health problems and it's a place I could go and feel safe to go too. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Jorge. I'm here to support the business. Thank you. Thank you.

Hello. My name is Robert Malta. Uh I own 611 617 North. and I restored that property 25 years ago or so. Just seems like we need some businesses on that block, on that street. It's dying. We need something to keep these buildings alive or they're going to fall apart. If I hadn't done what I did 25 years ago, those buildings would be falling apart. We got to give these guys a chance to to open up a business and rehabilitate this area. Thank you. I am councelor Marty Na'vi. We have a cannabis shop across the street.

It's well it's still running at marijuana. We are we have a sumptuction church. We have a funeral home. We have a food pantry. And we also home for Kelly's Touch. Tilly's Touch. You know what that is? It's for children who learn after school. If you believe cannabis is going to better my area because some of you have spoken to favorite. Do you all of you live on the north side? Do you live in Syracuse? Do you live on the north side?

Is it going to better my community? The applicant said he was also going to open an ice cream shop. Has he has he applied for a permit? Has he? No. No. That's the next thing. The question is, will it better my neighborhood? That's for you, the planning commission, to decide whether or not it will better our neighborhood having a cannabis shop. Okay. Please. Then there is one. There is one on Willow Street. No, there's other legal. Please, please, one, one speaker at a time.

My name is Katherine Cullivan. I'm here on behalf of the Washington Square Neighborhood Association. I sent you a letter earlier. I don't know if you got it in your email. It was a a late send. It was addressed to the Common Council, but I forwarded it to you. In the in the interest of time, I won't belabor this. I am in opposition and you can leave read my letter. Thank you. Thank you.

I think everyone who wish to speak on this application George Hold on. You spoke in favor, sir. We know you're in favor. I didn't say My name is Ahmed Aam and I am in favor. Thank you. Thank you very much. George Matthews, I'm familiar with the neighborhood and the building, and this is not an improvement for the neighborhood. Much as we might need this service elsewhere, this is not the place to do it. It's a bad place. Thank you. Thank you.

So, we'll close public comment on this application. We are moments away from exiting this room. Uh my sense is that this might need some discussion. Um, but if there's a motion that's ready to go, we can listen to it and discuss it and act upon it before we leave in about four minutes. Well, we have to do the secret first. So, we we uh I did buy us a little bit more time with uh the sergeant outside or lieutenant uh excuse me. So, how much time? Uh he's going to delay the alarm I think 10 or 15 minutes. Okay. Yeah. So, so thank you to them.

Can we act on this tonight? Is there any other body that has to look at this before we can act on it? Oh, no. So, this is we just need to make the recommendation to the council. Okay. Thank you. Unless I missed something when I was in the hallway, but No. But we have to do secret. You're all set. We'll do secret. Secret. All right. Here we go. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and contained in your packet? Yes. Has everyone on the board had an opportunity to review the EF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet? Yes. Yes. Does anyone on the board believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under SRA? No.

Having determined that the the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EF part 3 accordingly. Thank you. Is there a seeker motion to that effect? I make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration. Second. Thank you. Discussion on the seeker motion. If not, all in favor of it, please indicate by saying I. I.

I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Seeker motion carries. Is there a motion on the special use permit recommendation? This would take the form of a recommendation going to the common council which will have the final determination on this. In consideration of application and staff analysis, comments from neighbors and the discussion during this hearing, I make a motion finding the uh application for SP-2026-3 in compliance with special use permit criteria in section 5.B47A through H and recommend approval by the common council with following two conditions. First condition being that the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval of special use permit applications and two any future expansion of the use or additional uses within the structure at 911 North Salina Street will require the establishment of a designated all street parking area to meet the parking minimum requirements.

Second discussion on the motion. I'll take one second. Jake, do you mind coming up? Would you consider a cut on the weekend hours? Uh, yeah, I'd be open to anything. Um, I told you my reasoning for that, uh, just being, you know, a young individual myself that still goes out downtown and stuff. So, uh, of course, of course, I'd take any recommendation, but as part of, you know, starting out and obviously you always have the option to come back to planning or us to reopen. Did you have a suggested hours? Well, I guess I was thinking one. Yeah, no problem. 1:00 a.m. Does that work? No problem.

Okay, so that's condition three would be uh closing at 1:00 a.m. Easy enough. Thursday through Saturday. Thursday through Saturday. Thursday through Saturday. Okay. It's 10 10 Sunday through week three. Yes. Sunday through Wednesday. I'm too tired, but whatever. Sunday. Sunday through Wednesday, right? Yes. Okay. Counselor,

I just want to remind everyone I represent 30,000 people in my common council district. A lot of people. Everyone has an an opinion. I understand you want to bring a business here and that's fine. You know what we're lacking? You know what people were talking about tonight? Come we don't have a grocery store. How come we don't have a supermarket? All right. That's not the farmer. Let me finish. Sir, let me finish. I was born and raised on the north side. So don't lecture me. Council Nav,

okay, please look at us. Please look. I was born and raised on the north side. And what a lot of our new Americans are asking for, why don't we have fresh food, fresh produce? Do you know his district counts? How many illegal business we've shut down? Smoke shops. Jake knows Wall Street, Butternut Street, Gramp Boulevard, Bernardet A. I can go on and on. whether they were illegal or not. And if there's one already on North Street is illegal, then I'm sure the director of code enforce is going to shut it down.

Sir, I have the floor. Thank you. I am the district counselor and I'm speaking on behalf of my constituents more on on on the north side and I speak for them. And if you were at my neighborhood district meeting two weeks ago, you would have heard them loud and clear. But not everyone could come here tonight and be here till 10:00 to have their voices heard. So I'm speaking on your behalf. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No, we comment this over. Okay, we have I amended the motion I believe. Yes, right. Okay.

And clarity on the hours that are motion. I thought we clarified that for so it would be uh 10 10 and then right 10 to 10 and 10 to 1 on weekend. Okay. It' be condition three. Further conver further discussion on that motion that's before us. If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying I. I. Those opposed, please say nay. Any abstensions? Motion carries. It will go to the common council for a final um final action. Uh we have no addition. Yeah. Is there a motion to adjurnn?

Second discussion. All in favor? We are adjourned. Good luck. Good luck. Thank you all.