Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

I call the January 2nd, 2026 meeting of the Henry County Board of Supervisors to order. Uh we have uh one purpose for this uh well we have multiple purposes for the meeting but the primary is uh the uh organizational meeting and uh we have force uh the agenda item uh as part of that. Uh normally at our regular meetings, if anyone wants to be uh put on the agenda, they need to contact the county administrator at least 7 days in advance to be put on the agenda for any of our regular meetings. Um today, our first item of business is agenda item number four. And if uh the group decides uh that they would like the county administrator to chair the meeting uh until we complete the election of the chairperson and vice chairperson. I'll need that in the form of a motion.

Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to authorize the county administrator chair the meeting during the election of the chairperson and vice chairperson. Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? is uh 6 identif uh Mr. Wagner. Good morning everyone. So uh in just a moment I'll call for nominations first for the chairperson. Uh as a procedural matter nominations do not require a second and then of course the majority of votes will win the seat for chair chairperson. At this time I'll open the floor for nominations for chairperson. Are there any nominations for chair? Mr. Wagner. I'll nominate Jim Adams, chair.

Have a nomination for Mr. Adams. Is there any other nomination? Are there any other nominations for chairperson? Any other nominations for chairperson? Hearing none, I'll close the nominations for chairperson. Jim Adams being the sole nominee. I ask you uh all in favor of Jim Adams as chairman, raise your right hand. Congratulations with that. Thank you. For the position of vice chairperson, are there any nominations for vice chairperson? Mr. Wagner, I make a nomination for Travis Puit to be the vice chair. Okay.

I have a nomination for Mr. Puit. Are there any other nominations? Are there any other nominations? Any other nominations for vice chairs? Hearing no other nominations, I will close the nominations for vice chairperson. All in favor of Mr. Brook or vice chairperson please raise your right hand.

Congratulations Mr. Brook. And it's typically in order that the chairman would sit here and the vice chairman would sit adjacent to that position and then everyone else picks a seat based on seniority. But I'll leave that up to you all how you want to organize your dance. But that's entirely up to you and whether you want to do it today. If you want to play music, we'll play musical chair and then when the music stops, that's where you land. So, um before we move on the next item, uh thank you board members. I appreciate your confidence. Uh and I'm willing to serve, but this is not a one-person show. And I think you all know that that uh it collectively should always be the group making decisions. And let's let's uh one of you uh as as you so choose make it be known and desired uh uh uh for the future. I think the strength of any organization is uh is uh we can uh perhaps have other people serving as well. So please make make it be known sometime during the course of the year that hey I'd like to be chairman I'd like to be vice chairman you know that type of thing and uh that strengthens any organization but again thank you all Mr. Do you

same I I appreciate the nomination. I've um halfway through the term now and um I look forward to serving as the vice chairperson.

Great. Uh agenda item number six, setting of regular board meeting dates for 2026. Mr. Wagner. So for the past many years, the board meeting dates has been on the fourth Tuesday of each month with the exception in December. And that month, the date has been moved up a week to the third Monday to the fourth holiday. Uh in your packet, you have a proposed calendar meeting dates based on the scheduled meeting every fourth week except in December. And if you want that moved in December, that would be on December 15, 2026. So that's what you have before you for consideration for any dates for 2026. Okay. Members, you have uh before you those dates. Are there uh any issues with any of the dates to where uh we can't move forward and adopt uh the schedules?

Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve um the calendar for 2026. Second. Have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor? 6. Uh Jennifer. Uh agenda item number seven, adoption of the board's uh 2026 bylaws. Mr. Wagner. The board traditionally each year adopted bylaws at the annual organizational meeting packet. He has a copy of the 2025 by all. staff's only recommendation changes is for the dates to make it say 2026 and 2025

with no apparent changes as been noted by Mr. Wagner and what you have in your background papers uh for it's the pleasure of the board in adopting the board's 2026 bylaws. Mr. Chairman, I move that we adopt the 2026 bylaws. Second. We have a motion, a second. Any discussion? All in favor is 6. Uh Jennifer, agenda item number eight, consideration of the fiscal year 2026 2027 budget calendar. Mr. Wagner,

one of the most important things we do is the allocation of resources for our fiscal year um which requires a bud budget calendar to meet um deadlines and obligations and legal precedents that we much abide by. So, uh, staff has proposed a budget calendar for your consideration. Uh, we laid one at your workspace. It's slightly different than the one that was in your packet, and I'll show you what the difference is, but let me go through them all. So, u, we will get the information out to our managers and outside organizations today for give them more information about how the budget process will work. Uh managers and outside agencies will be expected to have those requests back into my office by February 6. Um we generally have a joint work session with the school board during your February meeting. That would be February 24th. However, I have not confirmed that with the school system as of yet. Um the school board has until April 1st to provide us their budget. Hopefully they will get it to us prior to April 1st. And if so, then we would plan to present the total county budget to you on April 2nd. We could do a work session on April 7. And then we could advertise for the required public hearings on April 12th with a public hearing on the school and the county budget on April 20th. And that's a Monday if I remember correctly. And we do that at 7 PM because we also have a public service authority meeting that night. So we would need time staff would need time to finish that meeting before we can do this meeting. And then uh a new item consider depending on what you all do with the reassessments. The next public hearing is one that we don't do every year but if we do not adopt a revenue neutral tax rate then you have

to have a separate public hearing about setting the tax rate. that must be separate from the budget public hearing. So, we've added that one in on April 28th, which is your regular meeting. Thus, it would require one additional meeting on May 5th to adopt the total budgets after all the public hearings have been held. And then we would appropriate the school budget and the total county budget on May 26 during the regular meeting. Um it's the next agenda item, but we typically plan a planning session uh in early February. We'll talk about that shortly, too. And last year, we used it for a lot of budget work, a lot of input from you all and staff. U I envision doing the same this year simply because we're still working on a comprehensive plan. We'll be wrapping that up over the next few months. So, that'll really guide us in that area. Uh if you want to continue to use the annual planning session, more about budget planning more than anything. But that's the calendar we present to you, the one I described for your consideration as it relates to the budget.

Okay. You have before you a hard copy of that proposed budget calendar. Uh what's the pleasure of the board in uh regard to this? Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve the budget calendar for FY2026 2027 county budget as presented. Second. We have a motion. Second. Any discussion? All in favor is 6. Uh Jennifer, Mr. Chairman, I know these are a lot of dates. So we've laid a hard copy of every date. Yes, sir.

That we expect you all to meet between now and May or so when we during the comprehensive plan meetings, the budget meetings, the plan meetings. So you got quite a few of them. We wanted to give you a chronological list of them that you have there at your work. All right. Um, also we need uh as agenda item number nine, which is our next agenda item, a consideration of a date for the board's annual planning session. Um, does staff have a recommendation for that date?

Yeah, we've looked at a few dates and with the board supervisors meeting as well as the legislative uh meeting in Richmond being a little later than normal at presenting some problems for us. Uh, normally we like to do it. So the dates I have that would work well with staff is February 2nd or 3rd or any next week the 9th through the third as the uh FEO legislative day is February 5th in Rich. All right. I don't have my calendar. What days do they fall on? So the second and third is a Monday Tuesday and then the 9th through the 13th is a Monday through Friday or Monday through Thursday. I prefer the 9th if possible. February the 9th.

9th. which is a Monday. Yes. In the past, we've started those around 300 p.m. and try to get them finished by like 7. We'll provide dinner. It's February 9th. Work for everyone. It works fine for me. Okay. I'll need that in the form of a motion. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to hold the annual planning session on February the 9th starting at 300 p.m. Second.

Have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor? Six zero. Jennifer. Um, agenda item number 10. We're going to have an update on the real estate uh reassessments.

Just one note about the plan session. We'll finalize the location by January. let you know where we're going with that. Sometimes we move those around so you can see different activities that local government does in different places. So we'll finalize that location. So as you know uh Brandon Martin presented at the last meeting that reassessment notices would be coming out on Monday. I'll start mail hitting everybody's mailbox. So I wanted to give you a little bit of background on that before we uh before those letters go out. Um, countywide, the total assessed value of all real estate increased from 3.8 billion in 2019 to 5.45 billion in 2026, representing an overall increase of approximately 4% over the 7-year period. This increase reflects changes in market values and does not constitute a tax increase. Property tax bills depend on both assessed value and the tax rate set annually by you all. Um, so a little bit about the reassessments. They're required by the code of Virginia section 58.13252. Uh, they normally are coordinates says they would be conducted every four years, but this one was extended by one year. So this is actually 5 years since the last reassessment. and the effective tax rates will be used for the upcoming budget. So whatever um these reassessments will establish the tax rate what we use for the budget coming up. So why do we reassess uh to align assessed values with the fair market value as required by the code of Virginia. It ensures equity distribution of the tax burden. It reflects market value changes over time. It helps maintain uniformity across the county and it complies with the Virginia

Constitution. So, just a little bit information about the changes in values that be coming in the mailboxes this week. In general, our residential properties increased 66%. Our commercial and industrial increased 42%. Our income based apartments increased 12% and public utilities including solar farms included approximately 54%. Just keep in mind that um these are averages quite possible some properties went up a lot more than this and it's possible that property values decline just depending on the condition and where they're located and various factors. Uh this is one of the purviews of the commissioner of revenue and she's presented information to you on how she goes about uh gathering this. She's created a website with a lot of information for your citizenry if they have questions about how they come up with the increase and what process they can follow if they um want to appeal their assessments. But I think we're all well aware that we know property values has increased quite a bit. Um just look at the real estate market and you can tell quite readily that the value of homes and other properties has increased. Overall it's a average increase in all values for us that we're looking at. So before I show you the revenue neutral tax rate, I want to show you a little bit of history of our taxes. Um 1996 our tax rate in Henry County was 61 cent. Um this was a reassessment year in 1998. Back in 1998 we did reassessments every two years. So the rate was lower to 60% because of our reassessment.

In 1998 we changed our reassessments from two years to four years. So the next reassessment in 2002, we lowered our rate to 54 cent to accommodate the reassessment with no tax increase. In 2006, there was a slight increase in the reassessments. So we and we did not change the tax rate. So that's considered uh technically a tax increase. So you'll note that there. So it's very slight tax increase in 2006. In 2010, the reassessment required us to uh change our rate to keep it revenue neutral to 46 cent. In 2014, the the real estate property values actually dropped, which required our tax rate increase to 48.8%. And we went to the decimal to keep it within that 1% that you're required to advertise a tax increase if it doesn't stay within 1%. Our really only true tax increase of any significance since 1996 was in 2018 when we increased the rate um from 48 cents to 55.5. Okay, that's the really only significant tax increase since 1996 in real estate. In 2022, we had a reassessment and we didn't um change anything. And now we're up to where we're at now in 2026. So, um, and the real question is what will the tax rate be for 2026? Any questions on that? So the

code of Virginia 58.1-3321 requires if a reassessment increases the total county tax more than 1% the board must automatically lower your tax rate. Um if you want to raise the rate then you have to have a public hearing specifically to increase that rate. That is the meeting I mentioned to you that we would do had to add back to our calendar and then it must be separate from the public hearing from the annual meeting. So before we get into this um I I want some important disclosures basically to say we're early in the budget process. Um the numbers I'm getting ready to show you are very rough estimates. It's all very preliminary. It's subject to change and very likely to change. Uh we know with the reassessments there's an appeal process. There's a chance some of those values will change and it'll change some of the numbers I'm getting ready to show you. Our revenues are likely going to be adjusted. Normally we wait to the very last minute in the fiscal year so we have the most data to make the most educated u prediction of what revenues will be for the next year. What we're showing you today is about two months sooner than we normally produce those numbers for you. Um, we don't know what the state budget, final state budget's going to be. What we're showing you today is based on the governor's budget that came out. And as you know, the governor will not be there'll be a new governor on January 16th. So, this what I'm showing you is very preliminary. I want to get it out there soon. Uh, so you'll have the data to begin asking questions about what's important to our community and how you want to set the tax rate for the upcoming fiscal year. So by law, you have to set a revenue neutral tax rate unless you advertise for a tax increase. So to do that with the new assessments, we would have to lower our tax rate 37 cents

approximately. We're at 555 now. We'd have to lower that to 37 to remain revenue. But as I've mentioned to many of you in last year's budget, we've been I don't like to use the word, but we've been kicking the can down the road on a couple things that we need to catch up with. And uh that will make it very difficult for us as a county to operate and continue to provide the services at the level we're providing them if we remain revenue neutral. So just give you some example of what those are. Um, in the next 2 years, our debt service will increase dramatically by an additional $2.7 million. Um, if you may recall in 2018 when we did the financing plan on the adult detention center, it was captured in a way that um, as school debt declined, as we paid off more metav, then the debt on the adult detention center would increase. Um, another factor with that, as you may recall, for the last two years, we have used savings from the adult detention center. When we built the adult detention center, believe it or not, it was below budget. So, we use that money to pay the debt service for the last two years to buy that down to get it down. So, in the next two years, we'll bear the full impact of that debt service of $2.7 million. You may also recall in this current budget that we're in right now, we balance that budget by transferring $1.7 million from the general fund. Okay. So, it was always staff's recommendation that you should not operate on a year-to-year basis by moving money from your savings account. That should be saved for one time and emergency expenses.

We know already uh some good news in a way for our community. our LCI, you've heard me talk about the local composite index improved. So that means our ability to pay in the community improved, but it also means we'll have to pay more for our cost of education from the Commonwealth. So our percentage of the amount we have to pay of school funding increased this year. The LCI is calculated every two years. uh that and what we know so far about mandatory school funding will increase slightly over a million dollars. Uh but quite frankly, I think that number will be higher when the final state budget comes out. That's what we have to work with today. So that's uh 5.6 million total just for those three items listed on your screen there. It's not in the current year budget. some other things that we uh just concerns those of the staff that we'll have to address as we get into the budget. Um the full impact is unknown at this time. We know there will be significant changes in the state budget from what we see today. Um the current budget provides a 2% salary increase for all state supported employees, constitutional officers, school teachers, and while they provide the bulk of that um money, anytime there's an increase, it creates additional cost on the county because we have to cover the same amount on the county share of their salary, on their benefits. And in the past, if state supported employees such as sheriff's deputies and constitutional officers got a salary increase, then we've extended that to other county employees that were not state supported and not constitutional. U I mentioned we don't know what the other required or discretionary school funding may look like when we get their

request. Um, we have uh been very good at managing our costs for health insurance for our employees. We've been able to fund 100% of that for quite some time and we've not increased that number in several years. Uh, for the first time in many years, we're going to see a slight increase of 6% in that. And we've celebrated that for several years when every other locality was going up 10 to 11%. So, we're still tickled to death to see only a 6% increase in that this year um because most localities as well are using 6%. So, it was still wise for us to do self insurance many years ago and it's still beneficial. We know that's a cost we're going to have to deal with. Uh we also know that the the transfer station in March effective January 1st is uh increased our garbage disposal fees by 11%. That's essentially a charge that we can't avoid. We carry a lot of garbage to the transfer station and that'll cost us more to get rid of that garbage. So, those are just a few that we know of at this point. So, just to kind of wrap this and put it in a package for you, when we're thinking about real estate tax, you 1% in the new reassessments will generate approximately $475,213. So, as we're adding or extract or subtracting stuff from the budget, keep that in mind. If you're looking strictly at the real estate, for every $475,000 we spend, that's a penny on the real estate tax, right? So based on all the things that I've showed you already, if we translate that or if you've done the math in your head already, that looks like 12 cents to me. So that would take 37 to 49. However, I say that again.

These are high level numbers, but this is not real estate is not the only taxing authority you have. You may have other options to address these issues. You may u you can always direct cuts if you want to get that number down. I'm using this for an illustrative purpose just to show you what $5.6 million would look like under the new reassessments if you put it all on real estate. Okay. So uh from here we'll we will continue develop our budgets. We'll schedule our department manager meetings. We'll have our annual planning session. We'll get feedback from you all. Uh and then we'll you know have a recommendation for where we think that tax rate should be set and how uh other items in the budget should be funded. Unfortunately, we want to take your guidance on where you want the scarce resources to be allocated in our community. But, uh, I'll stop here and ask if you have any questions on what you saw. Just

I have one of one a little bit explanation on maybe some of the older ones can tell me. Um, you started out with 61 and then you went down and we ended up at 55, right? Why was there in 96 it was 61 cent and now in 2022 we're 55. But, you know, it continuously lowered and now it's, you know, it's clearly going back up. Why was there a drop from 96 to current? Like, I'm just wondering what happened during that time frame that caused that significant change. So, there was in 96 the reassessment, the property value went up and so the board chose to lower the rate instead of giving a tax increase. Okay. So, the only time it

was not really in 2006, we didn't lower the rate, so it was considered a tax increase. I got you. Okay. And really the only true tax increase was in 2018. So in essence, you we're just lowering the tax uh rate so that folk taxes will pretty much be the same each year. And that's Yes. Let me put a huge asteris because uh it's really dependent on your reassessment. So if my reassessment goes up 75%. Correct. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to pay a lot more than I did last year. But if yours only goes up 20%, you might not you might pay less.

So it depends on how much your property value. So just you can't say individual taxpayers bill will not change but it the total average tax would not change the amount of taxes we collect. Okay. But good question that answer your question. Can you share this slide with us? Sure. Yes. I was going to ask for the full PowerPoint. Yeah. Yeah. What is the expected uh mailing date uh for these to go to uh citizens?

My understanding they they're starting to be mailed on January 5th. So that's Monday. And they do it in phases so every one of them does not hit the mailbox at once, but they should get them uh within the next week or two.

Well, and with that, I appreciate uh Star News uh doing an information interview with the commissioner of revenue. I think that any information that we can get out ahead of time and I know Brandon's working on some things you all we have some other specific dates that um uh additional information will be u u allowing the public to participate in. So u yeah Mr. Martin spoke some of those at the last meeting. Um there's severalformational videos on social media. Uh there is a just a public open house kind of format at our next board advisor meeting from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. We'll be out here in the lobby. Uh Commissioner Harrison will be out there to answer any questions people have about the reassessments, talk about the appeal process, those type things.

Okay, other questions or comments while we're discussing this? Thank you. I uh as well I appreciate the PowerPoint that sort of uh breaks this down. And u I have one more real quick. Do we know what any other like the surrounding localities around us? Do we know what their tax rates are? I know they all differ by areas and whatever, but you know, how far are we out of balance from those guys or vice versa? Do we have something to work off as far as that goes to be able to tell people they come in here mad, you know, like, hey, it ain't, you know, this is what we got. So I'm just curious. every intention including that slide of the year that I forgot to uh Franklin County did their reassessment last year.

Okay, they did a tax increase but their reassessment brought their rate down to 43 cent from like 60 cent but they have a lot of property value around the lake that really shot that number up. Uh so they're their low lowest number neighbor right now. We're still the lowest of everybody around us other in Franklin County today even before we change the rate. Um I'm thinking Patrick is about 70 cents. Pennsylvania County is like 60 cent. So if uh but we'll have all that information I can provide it when I send out the point but we'll also make it part of our budget package and presentation as well because I'm sure every locality is going to be talking about a new tax rate.

Right.

Okay. And I do have, you know, I have uh questions and and comments and I know about getting into all that today, but uh there will be opportunity for more discussion on this as far as when we would reassess again and other options for things moving forward in terms of reassessments like you like and what triggered the thought was you just said Franklin County did theirs last year. There are counties that do them every year. There are counties that do them every two years. There are counties that do them every four years. And would it be the board's discretion moving forward in the future to decide how often we would choose to reassess? I

I think that's an excellent question. um when the rate was when we changed from a 2-year reassessment many years ago to a 4-year um it was in a time we had were not having growth. Okay. So why reassess every two years if it was just going to give you bad news that your your property values were declining? I do think um we're in a a a mode now where we're going to see some growth. So, it would be staff's recommendation to go back to a two-year cycle after this one for sure. And and then it's less impactful that from 55.5 to 37 cent. That's huge. I mean, that's

a big jump there where if you did it every two years, those notices are not going to be as impactful. They're not going to people don't be more. So, that would be staff's recommendation would go back for two years. And if we did it with this cycle, it does something unique that three of you all have had to endure. And all in history, it was always an election year for the same three people. If you go back to every two years, then it will be in between election years and it will impact everyone equally if it makes sense. And several of our surrounding counties are at two years, right?

Yeah. So, the code of Virginia allows rural counties. I don't remember the exact number that go can go as much as six years. That's the maximum. Um most it's all over the board. Some do two years, some do four years. Just depends. Many of the county smaller those like Patrick, they actually hire people to do it like contract it out. So it's a huge cost to them. So the the benefits doesn't outweigh the cost. So they'll they push it out. But we do ours in house now. Always have done them in house. So I think it would be beneficial for us to

and what would be the benefit of every couple years if we're going to always shoot for revenue neutral what would be the benefit of changing the from four to two. So, let me go back to this slide. Like if we're going to So, I think the significance would be on right here on this slide where our residents going to get a shock when they get that letter showing their their their assessments that went up 66%.

But I mean, but even though that went up and then we lowered the tax rate, a lot of folks still going to pay, you know, similar taxes what they paid the year before. So, what's the benefit if I'm speaking that correctly? What would be the benefit of going from four to two years if we're going to make the adjustment so that most folk are going to pay a similar tax? It just spreads that reassessment out over every two years and not not a big a shock to the resident that has the big increases. Okay. Okay. So the I mentioned some people might have a 66% or even 100% increase. their taxes are going to be more dramatic than you know if it declines. So if you do it every two years,

even if it's revenue neutral, it's going to be dramatic. Even if it's revenue neutral, they're going to have a tax increase because their property values went up more. So those who have the 100% or 80% increase, those are the ones that will get hurt every two years, I suppose, every four years. Say hurt. They'll pay more every two years, I suppose, every four years. Cuz if we do it for four years, you'll pay the same tax basically four years straight. If you do it for two years, then you'll pay taxes. If you have an increase, even though we lower the tax rate, then that next two years, you're going to pay a higher tax. That's okay. Okay. Gotcha.

But remember, one of the constitutional mandates is that taxes are equally assessed. You know, because we we obviously have had lawsuits, industrial lawsuits by people who say, "Hey, you've had the same value in my business is no longer existing and you got to lower the value of my property." And and this just makes sure you are accurately getting a snapshot of what your community real estate is worth. You know, it's just more accurate. Correct. Although it has the impacts that he described, but it also has the benefit of some people may go down and they will pay the correct amount.

Correct. Okay. So there's an option for it to go down is what I was thinking. The other the other thought with that is that the appeals process and there would be an opportunity to do that also every time there's a recess which which is attractive to people I think.

Okay. Any other discussion around uh real estate uh reassessment? Okay. Um before we move on to agenda item uh number 11, which would u be a closed meeting, uh Michelle, do you want to comment on the uh hard copy that we have in front of us?

I mean, I'll be glad to. So, right before the meeting, the last meeting, we discussed um that we would be providing you with an updated handbook for your review of proposed changes. And so, that's that's what you received at the end of the meeting, the hard copy of the proposed handbook. In the front of it, it's got a um summary of the primary changes. I mean, there's a lot of housekeeping stuff like grammar and and language and stuff, but I mean, primary changes are are summarized in the beginning of it in a memo. and um hopeful that maybe at the January meeting um that we can get that approved and updated out to employees. So, and then any questions you have if you have something before the January meeting, I'll be glad to answer those before then.

Please give us your questions and comments, you know, between now and January meeting so we can address. Agenda item number 11 uh is a closed meeting item, but um Mr. Wagner, would you like to comment on the receiving of uh some items of consideration that uh has now been distributed to the board members?

Yeah, sure. So, we received several nominations for the Jack Dawson award and I know you all have not had time to read those nominations. So, it would probably be uh not appropriate to have a meeting today to to discuss those. So uh we can do it one of two ways at your your discretion. We can u schedule the close session meeting for the regular January meeting for you all to discuss among yourselves and then present it at the February meeting. We have done that in the years past. Or if you uh would prefer to do it at January meeting, we could ask for your uh tallies of rankings like maybe top one, two, and three and get those back to Brandon and we'll score them when presented at the January meeting. But it's really up to your discretion. But we just realized that uh no matter what we do, we got to get a new plaque to hang on the wall because both of those are full. Board members, do you have a preference? I mean, uh this this primarily is to give you rather than having to do a splitsecond decision today, giving you an opportunity to review this at your own leisure and as um Mr. Wagner said need to get back, but do you have a preference as to when we would potentially award this?

I think I think discussions are helpful. I I think January would be fine and we can present it in February. That would give you time to get the board reading. I'm hearing January. So, uh Okay. rank this and get back to Brandon on it. So, that's not what I heard. I heard discuss them at the January meeting presented at February. Okay. Discuss them at Okay. Discuss in January. Okay. So, we'll include this same agenda item on the January agenda. So, you can discuss it.

All right. Great. Great. Can can we can we give the recipient like a gift basket? Tickets to Hollywood movie theaters or race or can local businesses donate and we give them a nice basket with restaurant gift cards or something. Lawless welding will come through and you want me to build you some. Is that possible? was in the room and he's always hesitant about giving gifts cuz any gift should be reported on a $1099 for tax purposes even to a citizens gift cards we never well like not buy it but if they donated it is that a possibility and whoever donates it we just give the recipient a nice gift bag

I think that's basket very nice gesture we'll try to pull some together okay Mr. Swagen, do you have any other items that we should consider prior to adjournment?

Uh, yes, I do. Briefly, just u a reminder, a few of you all have expressed an interest in attending the BEO legislative update in Richmond on February 5th. U if you expressed an interest in that, if you could get with Jennifer just briefly to confirm your transportation lodge and that type of stuff and then I know Mr. P was going to attend the uh the chairman's meeting. Right. Great correct. So if you all could just give it Jennifer Gregory to confirm that and she'll get to the lodge. Board members, do you have any other items that we need to consider?

Again, uh Mr. Lawless, welcome. your first meeting and um board members again thank you all for uh your uh consideration as far as u our roles and leadership for the upcoming year. I I'm look forward to working with each each of you and I'm sure that u we'll all participate lively as we always have in the past. All right, I'll accept a motion for adjournment. So moved. Second. Have a motion and a second. All in favor? It is 6 Jennifer. Everyone have a good day. All right.