City Plan Commission and/or Board of Zoning Appeals - Regular Meeting

Yeah. Microphones on down there. I guess I don't really care if I look here. The Rome City Plan Commission order 630. Eric Pton here. Billy Morris here.

Klein. Joe Bertell's is not here. Brent Lighter here. Steven Cole here. and Lee Prer, we have a quorum read and approve minutes from the last.

I make a motion we wait to read the minutes. We have nothing new business major subdivision 2026-13 James and Heather who's here for that. So, we know I've talked with Lee multiple times. Um, everybody should have this. This was the old plaque that Josh started to draw that came up couple weeks ago. I spoke with me as a couple changes. Um, basically on lot two we have the flipation on lock two put it backwards and he's going to add to that so that there's more trees preserved on two. So that'll that'll draw with Josh tomorrow. That should be the final drawing. Um that hard line from lot one up and lot two going north will only be 75 ft. The rest of that will be tree preservation from that owner. lots of time.

Are you saying lot one and two? No. Lot one from that hard line where you see the property line down here down. And if you go north on that lot looking out the lake park that lot to the tree preservation's flip locking because you want the tree is preserved where that get where the low lie is the water. So you you've made these changes. We are they will be finalized tomorrow. We have nothing.

No. No. That's why I'm I'm hoping it to light that that is the change that'll be done because we're going to table it and make for next month. You are going to table it? Yes, we are. Okay.

Josh. So, I'm just going to give you an idea what the change will be. And then on lot four, um it's showing that trade reservation line there is the south end of that. It's actually going to move up by 75 going north to preserve more trees on that lot.

What did you say? That'll all be tree preservation 14 at the south end of that flip and then that lot four we were going to originally break it into two lots per lead. I'm going to talk to her. We were going to change that. That was not that's going to stay one lot four. That's why we're making more tree preservation on that. Lot six. Um,

no, lot six will not be there. Dave Dave is taking this whole lot. So, he wants it's going to stay as lot four only. Okay. And that is going to move up.

That's going to move up 75. So that'll take care of that whole and we don't have to worry about extra driveway cuts. We don't have to worry about any other, you know, issues there. Other than that, that's the only changes you'll see on that on that plat other than I think Josh is going to put drainage that shows the low retention uh the natural retention to the front of the lot here. That's already a low spot. He's going to show that on the flat. And then the low spot up here, lot one in the southeast corner. This corner, he'll show that.

Lot two needs that low spot shown also. Yes, that's what we were just talking. Said lot three. So, is there is there anything else you guys said something was flip? Yeah, that's the tree preservation two. Yeah, this one this will be all tree preservation and then this down. So you'll have 75 ft of open backside but from the lake you will still see all the woods. So where are they going to enter?

They're going to come in on drive which is on the covenant page which I'm not asking you guys to read. you guys will know from the covenants. It'll show where the the road cuts can be but that road cut will come off sour drive. I'm just asking is there any other issues and I know you guys haven't had a whole lot of couple questions. So you've got three cents here. They're not dated but but I It is written first.

Is it fair to say that these two are just void? If there was something stated on here and it's not stated on here, it doesn't matter. It says 30. She asked me to take that off this one. So, we can just throw these one.

I gave them to you for comparison. Not I just I thought there might be something here if it didn't the one that I so set up to know what will be if this all goes through and approve what will be attached as far as coidence to the deed at the county. So it's once this is set these covenants will be attached with the deeds to the property. So no change property holders

well there seems to be there seems to be some presumption that this is accessory building and yes specifically but I don't see where they started. Where does it say that?

Well, that's the covenants are only going to be the plat what you can can and can't deal with. So in our our identify what's an accessory lot well we don't specifically have a designated accessory lot you can build an accessory on a lot prior to primary but since he's designated on the plat accessory only no primaries can be built on there

this is maybe just me being picky It says a pole barn may installed. There's a couple places where it says pole bar. So it seems like there's a present here. We're going to have to build a pole bar. But if somebody built a conventional barn, it would be to me that accessory accessory building and I can change that. Doesn't come back say yeah but I don't have a full and that's fine. I don't know that is the way you guys want to see it. That's what I'm tweeting. I want to make sure we're doing We want to see it so nobody can come in and say, "Well, this set exactly just like what he said. It's

Yeah. Accessory building regardless. It's an accessory."

Okay. I'll make those change up from that. So, I'm just gonna say originally when he was in, there was only going to be 15% of the trees would be cleared for a building. So, that's a change from what was originally discussed at the meeting. I do get that 15% is a pretty low amount, but that wasn't something that was brought back to you. Um, when you guys kind of shut it down the first one, it said you needed more looking driveways that I called I know talked to Ken Roberts down there and he laid it out and for DNR really it's under three acres. um per DNR regulations it's not it was already designated some resulture the property so we're going above and beyond tree preservation the state we do want to preserve trees

okay I'm just pointing out that that was what your original proposal was and we have they have no information of what we discussed so that information has to be given to them so they can decide if this is what they want if that amount of tree preservation is consistent with what they want on the lot and and it was going to be across the board. So if you look at the way the lots are laid out um some are like 50% and some are at like I don't know even what lot five is 10% 15%. So

that's something I mean if you want it to be the same across all the lots or are you changing going to allow them to have different percentages across the three lots or four lots. That's just something to consider.

Well, he hasn't requested the tableabling yet formally. Well, there's one I see one here.

Yes, that was Pam Baker, but no, she's here. So, we can wait until we do interested parties on that. So, one of the other things that I mentioned on my critique when I was going through the plat, there's really no way of knowing where that tree preservation line actually exists without having some kind of number or something on the side where you could pull a tape from the rear property line or even from the front front property line to figure out where that's supposed to be. It's just kind of an arbitrary

existing line that nobody really knows where that supposed to start or stop. So there needs to be some kind of notation of the length of that so you can figure out what it is.

And you know drainage is an issue because if they go in there and they grade it out, we're going to have water problems. I didn't survive on that side. Derek's room.

We just you can't take the land the water that's on the lots and put on somebody else's property. So, that's why I'm concerned about there being no topography lines on this because you don't know where the water's supposed to originally go and then they go in there and they change that grade and then I'm getting phone calls because they're flooding somebody else out on another lot. So, you know, if like Steiners, they can direct theirs into the low lot area, but there probably needs to be some kind of an area where these lots are going to direct their drainage to. Well, and that's good for what what's existing, but if you add a large pole building in there and all that water's being directed through gutters into it could wash out his property, which is what I'm trying to stop from happening

because right now it just paid across the ground. Once you change what it what's there, it changes how it goes. So, if there's nothing on here that says which way that water should be contained and how they should contain it on the lot, then because everybody's going to do their own individual grading. This is not typical of a subdivision. Normally, a subdivision, they developer comes in, clears the lots, they set it all up. You know, they've got all your drainage going. They know where the utility lines are running, all that stuff. You're going to have individual people doing this and it's but they don't care about the

well. So, it's going to be difficult to control how that water runs off or where it's going to run to if there's no place designated for it to go on each line. what I'm saying. Usually this is all practical, right? And but you've got people like Dave who doesn't want nobody with the property. He wants to leave it nature.

But that's Dave. And when Dave passes away and his heirs get it, chances are they're going to sell it to somebody who's going to develop it. So that information needs to be on that plaid so that that person can build it to the specifications that it's supposed to be built to.

So that's stuff I talked to Josh about, but you know, I don't have we don't have any drawings, so we don't know what he's going to come up with, but I'm just letting you guys know that that's been discussed. Generally speaking, when you develop a property, you're supposed to maintain your water take so and I know I know of one in the range they develop all these back lots and they didn't take into account anything about drainage and it's a nightmare now because after everything's been put in and driveways are put in now they're going back and having to ditch and covers and all sorts of fun stuff to catch all the water because it was making a nightmare. So, considering. Yeah. So that was the test case of that's a problem over there. So just generally speaking, especially when you're adding impervious surface, so pool buildings, driveways, the water's going to run elsewhere. You got to find a way to maintain it.

Whether it requires a retention pond or, you know, or anything else, I don't know. depending on how much runoff generally your surveyors can figure that out. Runoff calculations and know what needs to be done and where it should go, how to try to preserve it or at least at the very least slow it down so it doesn't just dump on the neighbor.

That's just things to consider. You got to figure out a plan there. Otherwise, you're going to have a nightmare and neighbors fighting and lawsuits and all the fun stuff that goes with that. probably just ask, you know, there's I want to do this the right way.

We want it done the right way, too. Sure. Everybody's on the same page. And then the only other thing that we discussed at the previous meeting was driveway access. So it's denoted on here how where the driveways will who how many driveways can be on each road, but it doesn't designate where the driveways will be on lots. I don't know if that's something you want. shown on a plat

because that's what you had originally said. You wanted it shown on there. It seemed like it should be I think there circles drawing but if we want specific that's fine. getting to specific location. Those are the he's got circles where he was planning on think that's what he was doing. I mean, but I can designate Well, because we don't want one specifically like

for Dave's lot. It would not come out there on the curve. You would want it right on the side. And then lot five makes sense to be on the lower. What would that be? West corner. Just if you look at the topography of the lot of sour because if if I had the I don't think I have the But there's no trees on that side

of sour minimum. So you got to decide about the percentation. So, if you're going focusing more on saving trees, what percentage?

Well, you can't I Yeah, I can't put a percentage on there because you don't unless I count every tree to say there's 500 trees and I'm only going to take 420 of them. That's why we're trying to put hard numbers to show you exactly from the back line or the field lot where there are no trees, period. forward. That's what we're preserving.

So, I can give hard numbers, but to say that because he's going to end up saving 90 95% of his trees on lot two, lot three, they're going to save 60% of their trees on lot two by only taking or moving the front. They probably won't even take all of them. Lock, lot four, if he puts his barn If a barn does go out there on the end, he's not he's only going to take 30%. So I can't put a hard number on how many trees. I can put a hard number from back to the front

on how far trees have to remain. Right. Yeah. And then lot five is such a small lot. The way the culdeac road goes up that preservation is going to be bent in the back because of the way the property is that see that's I guess you would just figure a percentage if you're doing 50%. which is what it kind of looks like on two and three. Then you're 50%.

Yeah. See, that's hard to remember. I don't know because I don't know what it's set at right now. Right.

I think four and five. Obviously four you are going to change but

you're talking like where you have six. Yes. back to the south one. Yeah.

I think he's talking about that square.

See, this is definitely point on this. That's because I wrote that on that. I wrote that. That's not that. Just cross that off. It's not going to be a lot of six. This is all going to be it's going to be one lot. But this whole Well, is it because if it's not if it's not showing it will not be they won't clearcut it. So that's what I'm saying. So on that where that north side of that lot for you're going to put tree preservation across that whole thing right right here. I thought you said it was on the north side.

The south south side. This is the north side. This will be the south side. Trees here trees here. The people buying each lot understands that it's going to be written in there. Yes. And once it's on the plaque, you're kind of you're buying knowing what you're

That's an accessory lot. Yeah. All of them are lot. We made that one lot instead of two bases system. something here. If this is one lot, we don't have to worry extra about overtapping sewer. Somebody ever decides to build a house or have one on four acres to sewer.

Yeah, the only way to say no, but So, just doing a quick thing here. I don't need 20 ft worth of trees on five. 30 there,

right? And so the other ones are

I'm saying 30 is not as much. I think it should be almost about the point where starts. This will all be preservation.

That's what I'm saying. I know exactly what's going to happen. We take it all the way to that line. It's going to be

So if it's half half or the other line, it should be half of that one, too. So why do you only have 30 foot? If you're doing half of a lot on the others, why aren't you doing half of the lot? Because of the distance of that hill, you're not saving trees everywhere else that you're still not going to see anything from the lake People from the road here are not to see into that anymore. We can get it updated and then next time comments

yeah open it up for the public. So anybody want to comment or ask any question? based like whoever's I can't say they're going to be exact primary res they've already signed the purchase agreement to buy that one. So it'll match their Dory they wanted this lot or it has to be harmonious to the nature who is responsible responsible for

yes and that's inven only outdoor sp If they want to wash a boat that they cannot bring or no bathroom, no bathroom. No, they should have brought more copies together. I'm at the other end of

you'll see all this. Let's talk about the driveway that you want to put on power road. I I'm very concerned about that. It is a bike path. I understand, but there's people use that for my concern that is there any other I'm assuming you're talking about here's the road right here,

right? So you come up here. This driveway will be 3/4 of the way up drive right where the foots are. So you're already slowing down to that 10 m hour and you can't put it anywhere else. So this is the only person that driveway will be to lot two only two only two. So, the only person that's be driving in and out of there. They are all spoken for. Yes.

Um Derek Hol who owns this property bought it bought this whole field. So, he does not want anything.

They are going to come over and they're going to plant. I will stay with that. I'm just I'm really concerned about it's a pretty it's a pretty big down there. So how how is that water just

100%? 100% cannot get to you. I'm gonna let you get my water from this end from basically down cannot get to you. That'd be great. I I'm still very concerned about so u and now talk about the woods all of that. You will not see a change in this because you have the low right here that's already. So it's basically just the homeowners that live on these three right here that will see it.

Can they be sold? They have to go with the property. So say Ryan buys a lot and he lives up there. We'll use Dave. Dave buys this lot. These are Dave's house right here. He sells his house that probably he has to go with the house. He cannot sell it separate. We're right in the purchase agreement. I'm a realtor. I'm going to help him do the purchase agreement. But it will be in the when they sign it can refer back. None of these properties were sold to anybody that does not live on.

So it's called it's called it's a tie to affidavit. The accessory lots will be tied to the main line. Tie two affidavit. basically I'm looking over as we are the ideal So it's not like

my question was bathroom. No. So I'll let you read that. I just need go ahead and read it because trying to get this right. So take any gray area.

Anything else? Anyone else? One thing is development. What is it?

So you see the elevation. Well, he's Yeah, we need that. And then he's Josh should designate an area where if they need to put in a retention basin, it could be located like where would be the best place on that lot, the lowest place on that lot for it to go into be retained if it becomes a problem because I foresee problems.

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's what we run into.

Correct. not the ditch. Well, I mean because he's not actually per se developing it. All he's doing is subdividing it. Yeah. So, yeah, the property owner would be required to comply with all of those.

Thank you. Your question just needs I think you're clear that we're not allowing problem in the right direction. I think something development has a drainage plan to ensure the water properly. That way if it does affect the others, they can hand that to it's not really our problem. Well, we're going to get drug into a lawuit

because we don't really have any enforcement on that. It's a private nuisance. Add in the covenants. I don't know what you just said. um something about you know if if when they're going to develop the lot that they provide some sort of drainage plan or something so they have a plan say this is how I'm going to retain the water because if it's in the coven they have to and if they don't comply then that's a quick breach and they can be easily sued by any of the other I think it refers to our our drainage plan but we don't really have any So,

yeah, but it it probably needs to say could say the Noble County code. Yeah, not for Noble County not correct. And then I would just say they provide a development a drainage plan at time of before construction

to to the town. um the drainage issue itself. He's not a developer. He's selling the land as is selling a house as this. The purchaser has to then be responsible changes comply with their own development. Yep. But a lot of purchasers don't give that any thought. Yes.

Drainage isn't really an issue now because nothing's there. It's just natural. But once you start adding impervious surfaces then it becomes you're just shoving your water. Yeah. You should be able just to topography to know where the lowlying areas are and where the water's going to go. That would help with the drainage plan down the line too for whoever's going to develop. It's know here's my lowlying area. Any other people want to talk?

Anyone else have any questions or concern? I think there was a public portion. So many I make we table this next month. All in favor? Who second? So that meeting is June 18th. Next June 18th.

All right. Well, it might be moved up because we've got a lot already on that agenda because we're already into 7:15 right now. Over time. We got to do Larry's sketch plan. It's on there. Larry's sketch plan.

All right, moving on. Sketch plan review for lot of block one and three in Promised Land Estates. Larry Young

right here. right now. This whole property divided into four charge. This lot has been sold. This lot is where my home is. This lot and start building last spring. This lot is still over sale, but these areas out here roughly a little over an acre and a half down on the side of East Gate. This is land that's previously been scraped ready for agriculture. The farmer Bailey said it was too small to try to do strong for those. It's just not big enough. So this came about I've been trying to sell my house here. But over the last year trying to market place people were interested in my house place. which is a type of building where you build wider doorways, higher baseboards, showers, accommodations for people like me are getting older upstairs. So what a lot of people are looking for in the house too much. So trend out ancient place to go years.

It was very successful Chicago market now develop for all the old finally realiz but out here the same thing people were coming all the living on the lake the lake work. So kids can do that and dads out here for a long time. I didn't want to overdo it. because I wanted to see what was going to happen right now this really just on the build side right it's going to be exceptional piece of architecture really exciting the plan I've seen so far it's going to put my house to shame but I like this gentleman over here something young family, but somebody came to me pretty hard last week. I wanted to build a lot of storage and I asked Leah about and she says, "Well, you don't really don't want to look out of the barn.

out of the house and I said, "Well, the house would be great like a place homes and so I talked to you three basically half accept pitch on the roofs. It would look nice and go with everything that's on this face going that way. What's over on this side of the road going that way and I think it would be a nice entrance coming into that nice develop lots of green lots of quality new homes. So we did rough out there for three approximately half acre lots. the first lot of air set back further east because of the normal setback further. So everyone's going to have an enjoyable situation here and if we stagger the houses boom boom boom they would all have incredible views really what people are kind of looking for. the one I have not as much the water goes with it and on this side of the road over to the sanctuary large spread of huge evergreens going in and it's preserved land out there. So whoever would be in these houses would have incredible view and an incredible view that what I've been proposing to other developers and other builders especially was that the three ranch homes here probably I think the

subdivision already I think was 2800 minimum square that's a lot for a ranch so minimum square footage down so that's still kind of big numbers what we were trying to look at home office organization all you had to bring 24-hour nurse situation like I'm going through in my right now you'd have an extra bedroom set up for that situation and where we've seen those homes go and they get snapped up because the cost of trying to rehab another home into consequential what we're just looking at and having looked at this and study I want to move for the next iteration to see if the proof come back 15t I think they it's within regulations. But this is what's being requested for approval. This would be something that you folks would like otherwise I just have to leave it together.

I've been doing it long time with the reduction and I'd like to get But what we're looking at here basement patio style homes. So it's a nice kind of what I was looking to see So you're saying

this is far this clean out several times. real cleaned up, but it's working now. And now those things are

couple big ones yet this area unfortunately I think I like twice caught fire twice in the last three years. Yeah. is dead. So bring that last window. It's coming together. I think we need more housing.

We're looking forward to three lots over here. We're gonna be just under half space.

We need more

and I think we need to attract that segment. decided we want to keep that income in town and around us because the the older birds kind of keep things in this city for the sake of trying to change healthos It's not the patient you got to deal with. It's the rest of them. That's kind of what we got here. Would intersect now. And I don't know this fellow here wants to connect into these

I don't know I don't know how else he's going to connect if he doesn't connect to that well he's either the road so are you planning on building the houses and then marketing them really working this They're all looking for a place. They would probably come in and knock out three houses. So, boom. So, you would have them built and then you would sell them. Well, they probably would sell,

right? I'm trying to show Well, I'm trying to show Well, you're portraying you're going to control this, but you got a for sale sign. If somebody shows up tomorrow and says, "I'll pay." No. Okay. Well, the point is

Well, I'm describing all these things. They're not on what you're showing here. Here's a piece of real estate. I'm trying people coming out. is trying to get is going to structure what's going

so you don't have a legitimate yet I'm trying to show them what to do with the hope that this would be improved it's not sign so will you be installing the sewer lines to go to to that station or is that going to be on the homeowner? Well, that would be part of the bill, but it's pretty easy just there. I don't see an easement on the back of that. So, there you'd have to have an easement that runs

on on the back sides of the lot wherever the the p the sewer line's going to go because somebody's going to have to pay to install that line. that runs down to the station and it's got to be Yeah. And it's got to be within a easement already existing here. Yeah. So all the way down here as we were talking about right okay

I didn't want to jump a couple builders I've been sitting builders So, I'm a little confused if we think this is a good idea. We don't know if you're going to be the salesman or the builder. I guess there's a lot of interest people and others

got to be subdivided in Larry owns property. Larry owns property. Well, that's what I think he's saying. We could sub one big chunk to do it. But this gives control. This is something that why I doubt that this let him know big ass.

I think we decided this years ago. We have this like you you came in and you showed us a subdivision with six or seven or lots, right? And we said, "Well, that's a subdivision that requires a street and a curve and a sewer and those or or you can put four lots in because that's the limit of a non subdivision, right? And then you don't have the development cost. Then you're just going off the road and you chose to do that, right? Okay. Now you're Now you're trying to do Now you're trying to back up and say, "Oh, I want to make seven lots instead of four."

We said, "You want seven lots. Here's how you do it." And you didn't do that. You made your choice and now you're here trying to add three more little three more lots, right? But but the reason he already rejected us as far as I find out but he can say they came up to this house because we are the housing.

I'm just trying to see if this is what you want. We can all change our mind. I'm open to it. I'm just saying this is not what you want. That's okay. So if we're going to say I mean do we have standards for subdivision or do we not we just say okay we only use then one day it says we say this is how subdivision and then come back a year later and we say okay never mind then I don't know why we I understand nothing like I don't know that we want to for me this would be DOA have a discussion about it but you're talking about setbacks and sides and sight lines basement stone face all these but none of those things on the plan in fact I'm disappointed to find that the fact that there was to be no further subdivision isn't on the like I thought we had and I think

well I I probably missed it because I have a lot of things should be but is it maybe go back there

refine this would be it seems to me I don't sat here but there was that was the deal okay you're not going to go with the six you're going to go with the four and there will be no more subdiv now. Here we are looking for three more locks. Let's just understand more correctly. plans change.

I think we need them. Now there two boats and four or five wave dots. No wetland. That's the DNR. Should know better than that. Are these are these going to have access to the lake? No. Nobody does it this long access. You can go through pads and destroy them. That's

people think they can kill themselves. They said if you're natural resource, it's not only that. It's it's the the depth of the water in there. I don't even think you can get a boat to float in that. Anything else?

Steve, did you have a comment? Wants to know what the board. I think we need homes.

I remember that discussion. We were here. And there is a a strong interest from good builders, you know, for something like this because they agree and I've already kind of conceptualiz my wife and I got to sell our I'd sell it, you know.

Well, I think you got three positives. If you're agreeable, I'll go and I'll work on the sewer. Look at how many actually connect with that. Otherwise, they can do their own disconnect. No, I'm pretty sure that it's big enough to support three houses. They use bathroom. Bathrooms get used more.

Yeah. Some of them should.

It's up to you. I don't know. We're half hour on mine. We're concerned so much about tree preservation, which I'm all for. It is clearcut against the woods on the lake. I'm trying to preserve trees. That's what is the standard on that? It wasn't. There's no preservation on that. So, we learned from our mistakes. I guess we didn't require it.

I I don't I'm not bothering about that. I'm not on the lake at all. preserving as much of that 2.7 acres of food. I don't know. So, I don't know what to tell you. There's no there was no tree preservation on this subdivision. We learned from our mistakes. Learn from mistakes. We're learning everything is gonna come in here and decide Barb and people come up with things you can't even think of and I don't know why they want to be on SA and clear cut. They don't even know what Sela means. Yeah.

Okay. But they come in and they clear cut all the trades off. We try to think of everything, but it is a moving like black and roll. That's why we're requiring you to do it. I understand. So you are the receiving end of you know that's how we have the address for K. Miller. I'm asking do we have to vote or anything? No, he's not on the agenda. We should

he is on the agenda. He's just got approved address.

I make motion we approve that. How she lived there that long and not have an This is a blank. This is a blank lot. I think they're going to put a house on it. Is that out? No, it's on um Northport basically across from where the Buffalo Farm is. There's a lot that used to have a trailer on it, right? But I mean, the trailer was so old that that the park never had a

address. Thank you everyone for your patience. We still have another meeting. All in favor? Bye.

If you think you can get it turned around in time. Well, I can get one of the builders sweet enough put together. I don't think we just need to get a single. Yeah. I mean, I already got several people on the agenda for next month. So, if you don't get it in, I wouldn't be upset. But I would be all right. You're not going to be upset. No, I'm going to try. All right. So, we'll because the issue is that the meeting is June 18th. Everything has to be submitted a month prior. We got four days. So, you

got four days on Monday. That's Memorial Day. No, it's not. That's another one. You went to race early. Okay, we'll work. I appreciate you. Well, I was gonna I should have called and warned you, but it was so busy today. I didn't have time. It'll be fine. It'll be great when it's done. Thursday,

Kelly Morris, Garrett Gers, Christine Co, Tom Clifton. We have a quorum. Step outside. Hey, step outside. Read and approve minutes from the last meeting. Make a motion that we 16.

I can stand. I might be able to get your pictures up here. Okay, maybe there you are. I don't know what all I got on here. Okay. Is that what you want to start with? You want to start with what do you want? All right. Hey, basically we're just looking to the varants that we originally to come out more. So, we'll go back. So, we can basically add

I know. I'm sorry. a bedroom, a bath and some attic. So we come out that way figure out how to put on another that So, is the bedroom and bath going I guess it doesn't really matter, but is it going here?

Bedroom and bath will be like the back side of the garage over the stairways right there. And then that'll just be a little loft area. Okay. And the front of the garage, second story will be all attic storage. All right. So, you're changing the roof line. We're basically changing the garage line. That's what's impacted the back side of the house toward the lake. Nothing is changing. Yeah. So, so, so your garage is already there. It's just putting a floor on top of the garage, bringing a little bit of space out on the other side of the door to connect to bring the stair. Okay. It's going on top of the garage.

I I was out there today. I'm like, where are you going to add anything? Yeah, it's all it's just 10 ft out from the existing office. So, we can put the stairway behind the office.

So, it's on the south the little additions on the south east side. on the road.

It's been a while since I drove by. Sure. So really what you're doing like for street frontage of the property like that like that southeast corner are you coming up to be even where like the current part comes out close to the road or is that part going out further is that like not consideration. It's just me like trying to get a So we have landscaping where landscape have our favorite the garage the garage where the garage comes out. That's not going to change at all. So

this is the second level. that one.

So, the new edition is it in line with it. It's It's a little bit back from where the garage comes out, right? It's offset. It's offset. That's the good way to read it. Say it.

Well, because one of the questions was, is that a a new build or an addition? I go, it's several additions on that house and I think all by you guys, right? Yeah. It was really built that garage.

You're not going any closer on the side. You're saying Yeah. That's good because there's no room. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's

interrupted. Um, they were all notified and no one had any comments. Double checking. Yeah, they were all notified but and no comments came back. That want to be heard on 2020.

You guys started this. approved 2026 as advertised. I mean, I guess since this is an we don't have to put the usual exceptions, right? Right.

I second that. have the paperwork diligently writing here. You did your other one May 1st, 2003. I thought you were

my computer makes it to the next one.

I can So, how many grandkids you got? None yet. They're hopeful. They're hopeful. We need a new roof. So, I was like, we're gonna do a Now's the time. The Catholic Church did.

Thank you. No. Hope it makes it down to 9%. I didn't realize that the other meeting was going to take Oh, nobody did. wait for the president to get back. But you can go ahead and pass stuff out if you want to. Yeah, she's going to have to recuse herself because she's neighbor.

That's what she just told me. Just three of us. This thing doesn't charge his different view from above. Wasn't that something? The lake was nice and blue. I don't know if there are

Oh yeah, I guess. Yeah. Variance 2026-17. I read that. You don't have to read it all down.

They're closer than they were. Yeah.

All right. I guess ready. I read a little bit, but my name is Lindsay Bet and I we bought this property um July 2017. Um and we just the the house has wood sighting in the last few years. We've been he's nailing wood sighting that needed replaced here and there. Um so just being look to the future for good upkeep. We decided this year to sight it. Um but even windows in we hired SL construction out of Indiana to work. They had done a roof a few years back with my job. So um they started a project in March and April 6 I got a call from um one of the contacts at SL and said that they had a software order um on the assembly of the shed. Um when we decided to do the sighting in windows, we decided um there was a shed for the end of our drive as you can see in the picture. Um that's been there for the the last day here that we've had the property, so I'd imagine longer. Um we just decided the shed also was tired and needed an update. Um SL Construction said they could assemble a shed on site. Um taking away our old one and putting out a new one with a great setup. And so, um, on April 6th when we got the stop work order, um, Steve Leger at FL Construction said didn't realize that he needed a building permit to um, you know, switch out the shed either. Um, but then he did the variance because um, the shed had that along the property line. Um, and we were just literally taking one away, putting one new. Our last shed was 8 by 12 feet and this new one is 14 by 20. As we looked at in new shed, the

difference is we wanted just to keep it in in likess of our new um of the updates to our house. We going to match the sighting match the shingles and access. So, um, most of the the shed has been assembled and the shingles are on. There's no ridge bent. There's no plastic wrap. Um, and they've explained to me, but I haven't introduced them. I'm so sorry. is here to answer questions about the shed. But um they said it's about a day's worth of work just to put the ridge vent on finishing out the door and then what shed um base and so finishing the shed just exposes it to more weather. We've had a lot of rain this past month and a half. Um so it sooner than later. Um

I'm just make sure in our variance appeal we ask that the board variances um as the shed sits along the property line as I mentioned and it also we haven't measured as 25 back from the road but there is a ramp so perhaps that was counted in the variance from the back um but we just um we're hoping to have just made aesthetic and functional upgrades to the shed that was already there. Um, we still have ample space. It's just an asphalt drive of the shed to the road. There is in the picture line you'll see there's a a wide concrete curve this along um in the last shed just that on that that concrete curve the new it's sitting on that concrete curve just adds to the foundation of the shed so that's you know one reason why it just we didn't thought it just made sense for it to sit t on that concrete and Basically, you're here because you got to stop work order.

Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, kind of drew your attention to it. road frontage. So our roads are not the same distance as what the road rideway is. So the rideway in there's 30 ft. So when you said that you have 25 ft to the road, that's where the road is actually paved but not what you own.

So like your property line is set inside of that. So that's where that variance comes from on the back side. Just Yeah, just so you understand that. But yeah, it probably is more than more than 25 ft to where the edge of the concrete start or the asphalt starts. Yes. Right. So, but that what is so that's why there's additional but it's it's good that you have the extra because that way you can get more vehicles in there if you need to. parking. It's always primo around the lake. Yeah.

But you have a garage up at the house, right? Yeah. So you your vehicles for the most part are not out here. No. We don't have company.

Well, you got a lot of parking for company. Yeah.

It's just manually operated. Okay. interest parties. Any answers to parties? You got anything to say?

Since 1988. When I said 90 years, I thought, well, you could probably what you've done with that. I never understood why my parents wanted I I didn't realize that that shed that my dad was on. No, I think it looks good. I think everything

and I notified the other two. They return um I can't I think it's Tilly that's um they returned. No comment. I didn't hear anything from Doom. So no news is good news.

No, it's far enough back that it's not not a problem. Any comments from you guys? Me too. And I'm going to make the motion we likewise approve varants 2026-17 so they can get their shed finished up before the brand like correct. Did we have a second? Did you second Tom? Yeah. All in favor. All motion carried. Very good presentation. Sorry you had to wait so long.

For sure. Well, you don't have to worry about baseball, but you know, job put in the time off request. Make sure they're Yeah, I won't change it. My advice column

wood bees come then the woodpecker's going to make a hole. Then the swirls going hole with the wood. All right. Vacancy at the end that I'm sure

Oh, those pens are just ridiculous. She'll never get it open. The only way you can get it open is to bite the cap off. It's so hygienic. They blew them on here. A whole lot of them in that box that same way. It's like they put them on, but I don't know. Some kind of a capping machine to never be opened again. I think there's usually It's the 14th. Not on that one. Dustin, you're delirious. You've been here. Our plan commission meetings.

I said I'm gonna have to start it earlier because we got other items on the agenda besides those. Okay, I think that's it. Y can proceed. You can proceed. I don't Did she do the permit for it? I don't think she did. But if you want to go ahead, you're the builder, right? Go ahead. I'll work on the permit. I can't guarantee I'll get it done because my gal's not in tomorrow. But you're okay to if you want to get it done before this weekend because I know rain's coming in. I'm fine with that.

But because you you sent the permit, so because I remember it's with it with these things. So I'll look at it tomorrow. But yeah, you're okay to go. Thank you. Thank you. So Dustin doesn't really have an update, but he can give you an update. We don't Yeah, we don't have a date. What's waiting for records? So, no consideration that they've already submitted the record once.

Well, we we So, I'm confused. I told him I don't think there's a file in in the Rome City, you know, town hall that's 500 pages long. But here we are adding pages to I don't have 500 pages for that whole deal. It's just a bunch of The first record we submitted was 480. That's because it was a bunch of repeated pages that weren't attached to anything, which is what their problem is now. But I'm I've not submitted anything because I don't have time. I don't have time to do that. Isn't that just too bad? But she did get some of it done.

She sent us what she had that she claims was missing. But now the other thing I think was the attachments and whether or not there was a video that was played. I've told you, I'm not telling you again. This is the last time I will say it. We have zero video, no video at all for that. They have the video and they did not submit it to us. So that's the last time I'm I'm gonna say it because if I have to say it one more time, it won't be as nice as you said it this time. because there is no video. They made no submissions.

Well, they need to go back to the previous attorney. Correct. I have nothing and I'm not looking for it because there doesn't exist. What's that? You too.

Ask for a name drop. So, I name drop. Don't I don't need a lawyer. But my question is that uh if if I were to end up having to end up in adjudication with a lawyer representing my family against the special education um because we disagree with IEP recommendations and it's come down to that development which honestly I don't anticipate it happening simply because of no idea how to get how things are right Now in education.