Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Mr. Leuk, if you could uh get us a roll call. Good evening everyone. Yes, sir. Mr. Dort, Mr. Fox, Mr. Williams, present. Mr. Kendrick absent. Mr. Matet, I believe he's on his way, but we'll mark him when he comes. Miss Flattley. Mr. Myers absent. Mr. Nicely present. And Mr. Palotto present. You do have a quorum, sir. And Mr. Myers. Oh, there's Mr. Myers. Okay. Thank you so much for that. Um, if we can now stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America in this place. Dear Lord, we ask that you watch over each and one of us. Dear Lord, we ask that you bless our hearts and minds as we go about the county county's business. Give us the clarity and the direction in which we need to go. The Lord, we ask that you give us patience, de Lord. These and other blessings that we pray. Amen. All right. Okay. Uh, first is approval of the minutes from June the uh, June 10th, 2025.

Um, oh, I'm sorry. Before I go into that, um, um, let's let's look over the agenda. Uh, I'm going to make a few adjustments. Uh and then I'll ask for any others. Uh the uh recognition of our outstanding service of Mr. Christopher Parker, we're going to move that until uh August of which will be next month. Uh and I'm also going to move ask that we move the new business uh just before the public hearing. Um so that'll be after uh the citizens public comment period. So, we're going to move that the new business uh just before the public comment period. All right. Are there any other amendments that uh need to be made to the agenda as we have four? Okay. Seeing that there are none, uh with a show of hands with the acceptance for the acceptance of the uh agenda as amended, um with a show of hands for approval, Carter, you thinking about it? Okay. All right. Okay. All right. So, uh it passes unanimous with the uh amendments. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. All right. So, that was approval. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, moving on. Um, now for the approval of the minutes of the uh June 10th, 2025 meeting. So, take a moment to take take a look at those. Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I've got a a quick comment. Yes, sir. Um, I know several months ago I was the one who brought up the concern about the verbatim

transcript of the of the meeting minutes and asked for something uh abbreviated to that. And and now I would respectfully ask that we move that pendulum back just a little bit. We've abbreviated it so much it's hard to get, you know, for people that just want to read the the overview of the meeting. It's it was really even hard for me to remember some of the information in there. And it would have been nice to have a little bit more detail. I don't know if we start using AI and a chat GPT to summarize the the transcript or do something but if we can take a look at moving it back just a little bit to provide a little more detail. You mean in the in the action minute package because the verbatim minutes are in the link. Okay. Okay. Something three, four, five pages, you know, with just a little bit more detail. I don't need to go back to the 45page verbatim transcript. Let let me ask this, Kelly. Is there uh is the full the the full verbatim is that available up on request? Okay. Yeah. So, there's a link to it at the bottom of the minutes a minute page for everyone to see. So, where I'm going with that is um if I would say and and and I don't hear any other counters, uh keep it the abbreviate. I like the abbreviated. And if you need some clarity, um, request the the verbatim. Well, just some of the things are pretty simple, like we voted on this action. We don't even give the title of the action and I have to go back and think back through and go dig through the details and go what what was that particular motion about? What's the summary of some of the public comments? Right? There was one of them where we said, oh, we had public comments and there were some for

and some against. What was the summary of the issues that the public brought up? You know, is there a way we can give just just a little more just think about that's fair. That's fair enough. Right. Are there any other comments or recommendations on on that matter? All right. Seeing that there are none, um, yes, ma'am. I make a motion that we approve the minutes from June 10th, 2025. All right. Motion's been made. Second. Pick one. Motion's been made and seconded. Um, I can do a roll. Okay. Mr. Dordo, Mr. Fox, Mr. Kendrick, absent. Mr. Mr. Mat, Miss Slattley, Mr. Myers, I wasn't here. Okay. Mr. Nicely. Hi, Mr. Palotto. Hi. And Mr. Williams. I. Motion carries. Thank you so much. All right. Next uh on the agenda is our citizen public uh comment period. Uh so um we ask that comments will be limited to three minutes per person um so that we can afford everyone an opportunity to speak. Now if your comments are related to uh we're going to say there's only only one other item to speak on and that's the the height requirement when I ask that you keep those comments until that that period um is called upon. There will be a public hearing for that. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, there is two publics. Yeah. Uh but uh

yeah. So that we're going to ask that you keep those those height requirement periods until um that application comes before you. U but any any comments other than that uh we ask that you uh come forth at this time. So, um I have nothing on the signup sheet for uh this period at this time. So, the floor is now open for public comment. Seeing that there are Seeing that there are none. General is it general? Not pertaining. Yes. Correct. General comments. Sure. Um, so yeah, I just want to confirm. I sent out an email. This a rather lengthy email. I just want to confirm. We get started, sir. If we can have your name. Oh, Marcel Viviverberg. And and if you're a resident of the county. I I run a business in the in the county. Okay. and right next to a proposed data center and I did send all of you an email. It's if we can confirm everybody confirm that they received the email. Uh so this is three minutes is nowhere near enough to explain everything. Uh but I do have a question uh regarding notification. Uh so May 14th the applicant didn't notify anybody regarding anything. Uh this time I got a notification a week ago which is ridiculous. I mean I can't uh you know we have a daily life. So I'm under the impression that it's 20 days for Jason Lotus. Um anybody I've asked they don't seem to

know. So is there an answer to that? Miss Luke is there I'm sorry sir I was trying to connect to my computer. Were you asking about the notice requirements? Yes. Yep. They did notify via certified mail and the requirements five days prior to the hearing. When was that changed from 20? I don't think it ever was 20. It was 20 because in a prior uh zoning uh administrator told me it was 20 on a different item. Yeah. State code five days. Okay. Five days for sure. That's a ridiculously short time for anybody to come up with uh schedule changes, adequate results, adequate uh re u answers. Uh so but anyway, so it is five days that's confirmed. Um so then I understand there's been some review and there's been a consultant hired. Uh but all the while Uh, nobody's asked us anything. Applicant hasn't come and see us even though he told that you you all that he came and see us all. Untrue. Um, how can anybody make an make an an evaluation of this project of ridiculous size without even talking to the neighbors? Here's my neighbor. Uh all all of our all my neighbors are in opposition, all adjacent. We met in my office last week. Again, it's ridiculously short timing on all this. Uh I I would like to have more time to come up with a more um uh organized response to this application. Five days

is ridiculous. Uh so uh that's the first thing I would ask. Second thing I would ask, I would like to talk to your consultant if anybody was hired uh to how can a consultant make any kind of adjustments or recommendations without talking to my neighbor, without talking to us. How can this thing just kind of waddle through the process? It's beyond me, honestly. So, however that is, if I can get some type of a an extension of this process so I can wrap my arms around how this works or how it's supposed to work, I would greatly appreciate. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your comments. Is there are there any others for general comment period? Yes, sir. I am Andario Kachani, 489 Kings Highway. I'm neighbor right across the street from the project. And um I do have a several concern. One is on on the creek there is that we share you know with that properties they go towards mine on several point that creek you know it's like a little snake and over the probably hundreds of years there have been an erosion and it's and two point is right close to one point is right close to the house where I live in my family okay when all this part will be paved and all this water will go to the creek will create a tremendous amount of water. They will eat that part and make my house collapse and other barns on the property too. And I, you know, I wanted that to be thinking about and concerned, you know. Um, they went to my property and

told me things about the things and it was kind of, you know, give me the wrong information and things that I can see, you know, that the view of the property, the bear that they going to make it from where I am, are going to be able to see maybe 90% of the building. maybe more now that they I know they raised the high and you know I think the the gain for them is that this information and they went there and told me things that was no accurate okay it's about it's a lot of different pollution live pollution noise pollution you know view and they was trying to tell me that you know it's not when I I mean I I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I I can see that thing is there you know and there was almost telling me things unaccurate right on my face and u they was unrespectable to me when they went there we was raising our boys to each other I mean they were raising the boys to me in my place I don't know if it was intimidating ation or what? But I I did not appreciate that. And you know, I know they got way more money than at least me, but I'm not going to take that. And I was thinking if he I don't see any neighbors that was right cross for them, they agree with this. And I think there should be at least I mean more than 50% of the neighbors that are nearby to agree, but nobody's agree. And I I wonder if you guys any of you guys live across the street of that, how would you guys would vote on this? If your family,

you know, will be exposed to all this kind of noise and and all that things. Thank you, sir. Right. Are there any other general comments outside of um the project? ma'am. Good evening. My name is Kristen Bruit. I am the owner of Finish Line Environmental. We are located in the King George Industrial Park. I have been watching this applicant go through the process here. And one thing that stands out to me is their willingness to listen and adapt and improve their proposal every time they come back. That to me demonstrates a willingness that they want to be a collaborative partner in this community. We are all familiar about of some of the improvements that they have come back with recently. Increasing the burm from 12 to 16 feet, enhancing the evergreen percentage in the landscaping package to 33%. Not using groundwater for cooling, implementing implementing monitoring sound. They want to be a good business partner here. They're investing in this community. From a business and economic standpoint, the tech center will provide King George County a long-term

major revenue stream. They are providing the highest financial use of this land. We can't use this land and make any more money than what we're going to make from this. King George County has an obligation to support the schools. We have services to sustain and we need to invest in the future. I strongly urge the planning commission to approve this application. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Good evening. My name is Andrew Mason. I'm a King George County resident and while I'm not while my property is not located adjacent to where this structure um will be built, I'm a neighbor. And what I've heard over the last five times that I've gotten to stand before this board, you know, going back a few years ago now, is that there seems to be a reluctance to move the county forward. While I understand the plight of no one wanting to see a building go up across the street from where where they are when they're used to seeing crop fields and things of that sort, there's some empathy that I have for you. I think the last time I spoke, I mentioned that where I live at now, when I bought my property 20 years ago, I had a nice pristine forest line across the street from me that got clearcut. When I got here to King George County,

there was no Walmart. There was one lane that came across the nice bridge was only one lane. Things changed. I work for a company that builds these data centers in Northern Virginia, and I've got up here many times, and I've said that the buildings that we built in 2002 are not the same structures that go up now. I've sat in and I've seen people I've seen various boards in the area whether it was Stafford whether it was Prince George's County and everyone seems to be reluctant to moving a county where they in particularly this county forward in any means other than a tobacco store. That's the only thing I see going up around here. I guess what I'm getting at is that you guys have the information in front of you. When I spoke here last time, I said, "Go and visit Stafford. Go and visit Lden. Heck, go to Co Pepper. There's fact they face some of the same challenges, some of the same farmland, some of the same things that are budding up against some of these proposed data centers and see what their issues were and how they resolved them." I don't know if you went, but if you didn't go, you didn't do the service for us because how can you make a decision? We need the money in the county. There are about 29,000 people in this county. That was just me doing a brief look. 180 some square miles in this county and we're asking for a small portion which you guys can control, doesn't mean the data centers have to be all over King George County, but that's an industrial area. And while I sympathize with my neighbors, even though I don't live adjacent, I'm part of this county. And while I empathize with you having a business there, that's your business, but I'm paying the taxes here as well. And I know you pay taxes as well. And I'm not just pointing that out. But what I am saying is that the courage needs to be brought about.

There's a lot of money that's been spent to make adjustments. You guys have the information. We shouldn't be continuing to go through this process. Thank you, sir. All right. Seeing that. Yes, sir. Good evening. Um, my name is Burnley Taylor. I'm a citizen of the Madison district and as you probably know, um, I'm a member of the landowning entity that's involved with this project. Um, I do have a personal interest as you could surmise, but I'm also a taxpayer. For the last 20 years or more, I have paid a lot of attention to the county finances and proposed capital projects. I therefore know that our taxes will probably be increasing at a faster rate than any of us would like. Even with the efficiency efforts of the board and the staff, we have a challenging financial landscape in front of us. The Birchwood power plant is gone and so is the $1 million it used to pay annually to the county. The dump will be down in 15 years. Waste management's $6.5 million uh a year in fees will be then gone. The county will then need to haul our trash somewhere else or develop our own landfill. At what cost? The high school is at or near capacity. Expanding will cost a lot of money. Building another high school will cost even more. We're going to need a new elementary school soon, I've been told. We need a new fire station at Dogrren. A new water system. And this one scares me. our aquifer is being depleted. So just like Caroline County, King George is under the state state directive to get off the aquifer and onto uh surface water. That means either a pipe into the Rapahhanic, a reservoir or two or some

combination thereof. Also, a new water treatment plant designed to treat service water would need to be constructed. Caroline's cost for their project is $200 million. What's our cost going to be? Just the everinflating cost of doing regular county business is a challenge. In year 2020, the county budget was 85 million. It's now 133 million. It's a 56% increase in just 5 years. What will our budget be next year or 5 years from now? Even if we never add another resident, most of these challenges will remain. We need to plan for these challenges. We need to plan for now and we need to plan for 30 years from now. The county comprehensive plan is a testament to that need for thinking ahead. This project is entirely within the comprehensive plans set aside for business development and this set aside has been in place for decades. The time has come. At a conservative $18 million a year at buildout, this project's payments will be three times larger than that which we receive from the landfill today. This project will lower the financial pressure on all of us, including farmers and other land owners who might otherwise choose to divide up their properties for housing lots in order to pay property taxes. We also need to welcome projects that offer good, stable jobs to our community. Simply put, we need to take advantage of opportunities like this one and keep King George a great place to live. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Good evening. My name is Larry Emery. I'm a King George County resident for 25 years. I am also a neighbor to the property that they're speaking of in the

industrial park. I am not speaking in an official capacity as an EDA board member of King George. Um they have been out several times to meet with us about some of the different things in the area, the streams and all of the property and the areas and they definitely seem to be willing to help in any way that they can and change as much as they can. I know that the data center thing has a lot of emotions on both sides. People are really either for it or against it. Part of the problem is that King George Countyy's past decisions and financial has not helped in any way. Um, if we don't start getting more help for the schools and getting votech programs, we have a horrible time hiring people. Uh, and we like to hire people from King George. We have several high school kids that come to work for us and have been learning. Um, but there's no skill there. And if we don't keep developing that with King George County, I think it's going to get worse and worse. Um, they've made every changes I think that's been asked of them, all of the studies and research. So, it's definitely a financial windfall for King George County. Thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. I seeing that there are no others coming forth for uh comment period, the citizen public comment period is now closed. All right. floor is open for discussion from the commission if there's if there's any to be discussed. All right. All right. Seeing that there are none, the uh comment perform the committee is now closed. All right. Next on the uh agenda again is the amended portion where we're going to be

uh well, let me say this. Um it was supposed to be Mr. Adam Lynch, but he's out with on baby leave with a new baby. So, Mr. Lynch, congratulations if you're watching. Uh and um I hope you're getting some rest. All right. Next is the amended portion which is we're going to move the presentation for application Z-2025-0000uh 263 Berthville Monopoly Monopol tower special exception. Good evening uh members of the commission. I am Tracy. the agent for Telecom Capital Group uh who is the infrastructure provider for this application. I'm going to take you through a brief PowerPoint. Also here with me is the managing member of TCG, Mr. Mark Fischer. Uh he will be available to answer any questions you have. Um but I'll take you through these eight slides. And then we also have, as you can see in your packet, the photo simulations that were done um and completed as part of the balloonfly process as well as the zoning drawings that have the more specific design details. Um so we can go through the salient sheets of those to give you a better sense of location and compound design. But if you could go to the next slide. Uh the reason we're here is need. Um the lead carrier on this site will be Verizon Wireless. So the demonstration of need in uh in the area is driven by their need for coverage and capacity um relief. Um this slide takes you through that the fact that the existing infrastructure both in King George County and in mo many jurisdictions is

um unable to support the everinccreasing demand uh for v both voice and data services. Um, every time we move to a new G, 4G, 5G, the demand on every macro site, which are the large towers you see in this county and others, um, increases. And so there there does become the need for um, additional macro sites in addition to, uh, small cell solutions, which can cover the shorter distances in between those macro sites. Um, as you can see, 40% of homes are now wireless only. um 10 years ago um that was at 0%. If you could go to the next slide. So um when one of the macro sites such as the the monopole that is proposed here um uh would require would be required to provide 1G coverage um and could provide that and propagate out about seven miles. If you could move to the next 2G coverage um only reaches about five miles. Next 3G coverage also about three miles. And today for 4G coverage and the impending 5G coverage, it is only propagating about 1.5 miles or less. Um so this is the reason that we need to have more of these towers to hand off and work in conjunction with each other so that signals are transmitted, data is offloaded from um the over the sites that are over capacity and um calls can be transferred from sight to site. If you could go to the next slide. Towers like this also help um the wireless devices that we now are seeing increased in our homes. Um the tower can connect to the window device and then we have um and every carrier has a

different version of this but um it's helpful to bring the uh high-speed Wi-Fi into our homes but it still requires a macro site to be close enough so that the units can connect to that macro site. You can go to the next slide. So when Verizon contacts um an infrastructure provider like TCG uh they first look to see if there are existing structures in the area um this is a requirement of your code as it is a requirement of many county codes. Um it is always cheaper for a wireless carrier to colllocate on an existing structure than work with an infrastructure provider to construct a new tower. um TCG doesn't want to be here if they're not going to have carriers as tenants because it it just isn't a cost-effective solution. So they looked and the existing towers in the site are both SBA structures. Um they are located 1.9 and 1.65 miles from the center of TCG's search ring. That search ring is also developed using Verizon's propagation maps to see where the coverage is most efficient. Um, if you go to the next slide, this shows the existing coverage in this particular area of the county. Um, with all nearby existing structures online, you'll see three different colors there, really four, including the white where there's no coverage. The red is the worst coverage. It's patchy coverage, dropped calls. Um, yellow is um outdoor coverage, um, incar coverage, and green is inbuilding coverage, which is the coverage you really want to see. You want to be able to make calls from your home, from your office. Um, the blue circle shows the area that we are looking at um to provide improvement to. And so, TCG goes out and contacts landlords as close to the center of that search ring as they can. Um there are a

number of factors that go into finding a parcel that will work. Um size of the parcel so that we can meet setbacks, a willing landlord, terrain issues, um topography, uh different things go into to figuring out exactly what height is needed to to propagate and how far the s signal will reach. The lower we have um uh terrain wise and topography wise, the taller the tower is needed. So, we're looking not to be too low so that we don't have to have um an an um extremely tall tower. If you go to the next slide. Once this um tower is up, it is proposed at 175 ft with a four uh 4 foot lightning rod. So, an overall height of 179. Um Verizon will be located the center line of 170 ft. There will be space here for two additional future colllocators. Um who and the reason for that is exactly the reasoning behind your code requirement that we offer space for at least three providers so that we can avoid things that we call um the pin cushion effect so that every carrier doesn't come in and propose a new tower at a reduced height. They're at the top which gets them over the trees um and accounts for the terrain but then everybody has to come in and put one up. um there's a required separation uh to to avoid interference between the carriers. So we're looking at um carriers at 160 150 160 and then um Verizon at 170. Um each array is about 10 ft. So the top of the antennas for Verizon will be at 175 ft with the additional height of 4T for the lightning rod. When Verizon is installed, this map shows the uh proposed coverage. So you can see most of the areas that were once red, orange or white will be filled in with green, which is that inbuilding coverage that is sought. It will work closely with the

surrounding sites in the area that are also showing a green in propagation. So this will allow those towers to offload the data and voice demands on them to this tower as well as provide coverage for those in the im immediate vicinity. Uh it should be noted that this isn't just customer-based uh complaints that are driving Verizon to install a tower here. Um a big part of the network is devoted to emergency 911. We're seeing more E911 calls than ever before. And in fact, the Federal Communications Commission has requirements now uh for each carrier um that E911 be able or that 911 providers be able to locate um I'm sorry, that carriers be able to provide 911 emergency personnel with the location that calls are being made for. So if if a call is made and they can't talk to the person and it's from a cell phone, wireless carriers need a certain percentage of calls to be able to be located geographically. these towers help them achieve that. Um, so that if the person is in distress, they can still locate them without being able to talk to them. So that's actually now a federallymandated requirement. So Verizon is looking at being able to meet that in this area of the county as well because that is um it is one of the top goals. If you could go to the next slide. Here you can see those other areas of green which are um the existing towers in the area and the distance the relative distances. And you have to keep in mind again that Verizon is currently providing 4G. So we're looking at um a propagation distance of about 1.5 miles. So you will still see some gaps but the green areas are getting closer together which is the goal. We can go to the next slide. I think that might be it. Um, is it possible to

bring up the zoning drawings from the uh the commission's packet? What they're scrolling through now you've seen is the RF report that takes you through a really thorough analysis of the need. There we go. Thank you so much. If you go down to the site plan, I think that's the best one to look at. Should be. Yes, right there. That's perfect. So here you can see um the parcel on which we are TCG is proposing the site. It's a little over two and a half acres located in the A2 district. Um there is a chart at the bottom of this sheet of the drawings that shows the setbacks. Uh and in this particular case, the both the monopole and the facility meet all of the required setbacks, including that from um roads, off-site residences, um and the property boundaries. If you scroll down maybe one or two more, I want would like you to show you the elevation

of the of the tower. One more down. There we go. Uh nope. Let's see. Yep. One more. should see a elevation side view of the tower. There we go. And this is what I was referring to earlier. Um, this is the height of the tower. You can see that Verizon is proposed at the top center line of 170 ft and then there will be space for two future colllocators um at 160 and 150. I believe that the equipment compound also which you could have seen on the site plan is about 3500 square ft that accommodates the equipment the ancillary equipment to the tower and has space in it for any collocators that choose to um install after construction. really I'm happy to take any specific questions you have. Um and we appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Um I open the floor for the um planning commission for any questions. I think Mr. Lavly here is probably chomping at the bit. So yeah, unfortunately you've stumbled right into my field of of work with RF. So, I've got just a few quick questions and I won't take everybody's time to go down into the down into the dirt and we could take that offline, but I've got a couple kind of ordinance related questions more specifically. I noticed in one of our standards here that it that it talks about uh considering local access to the towers and have you contacted the county to see what facilities and what support you can provide to the county and its telecommunications infrastructure? We have not. We do understand and we've

agreed to if the county needs any space on this tower that is and we're happy to have that be a condition of approval that they would have the right of first refusal. Yeah. I just encourage you to go ahead and contact the our emergency services to see if there's anything that they would like to to We can certainly do that before the board hearing. Absolutely. I appreciate that. The the other one that I have is I noticed in the design structure talks about the tower shall be designed to collapse fully within the lot lines. And I'm not a structural engineer. I'm an RF person. So, can you please explain to me how a 175- ft tower on your drawings, it only shows an 80 foot collapse circle around it? Why do we not need to worry about that whole tower collapsing over and coming outside of your property boundaries? Well, the property this is it meets the it and let me ask Mark. Mark, is this designed to collapse onto itself? this structure. It's a a slightly more um expensive design to build, but this site um as are many of TC TCG's sites is designed to collapse onto itself. So, it actually I believe is going to be built in three different sections. So, the tower is not designed to just fall over. It will collapse onto itself and the bottom section remains. So, it's not a a fall radius of 179 ft. It's a fall radius of the shortest uh of the largest of those three sections. So, it's it's got break points designed into the tower. Thank you. So, there's some built-in fracture lines, for lack of a better, more term. Yes. Okay. And then the last one is, can you explain uh I know it says off-site residence. What is the house that's on the property used for? Believe it's a residence. I believe it's owned by the trustees of the of the church, St. Paul's Episcopal Church. So, is that their parsonage? No, it's a residence.

Okay, that's fine. I was I was just curious. I I had not noticed exactly the words about offsite. I was going to grill you about Wait a minute. The only one you show is the one that's What about the one that's within 200 feet of your tower approximately that residence, but it's it's on site, so it's nothing we can say about that. I'll take my other questions offline with you afterwards if you don't mind. Absolutely. Thank you, M. You leave me a card if you don't want to stick for the whole meeting. We'll do. We can contact you. Thank you, Mr. Lively. Uh, any other questions from the committee? Got it. So, I understand there are no additional special exceptions required for this project. It's just special exception. Um, there are no there's no variances required. Varian required special one special exception. Second, I just want to make an editorial comment to the staff of um many localities build these towers on county land and drive revenue, which it's not your business, but um that's something we really need to consider when we look at our layown of county owned property. It it's a solid revenue generator and and also an important community service. If I can, you will notice in the statement of justification where we go through those code sections and requirements. I think there is a typo in there that says that we are providing space for five future colllocators. I think there was a a previous application where that was the case. In order to to reduce the height and better situate the compound so that we meet all of the setbacks, we had to uh reduce the height of the tower. So when we reduce the height, we reduce the available center lines and the spaces. So, we're still meeting the requirement of the county of having three spaces, but I didn't want to think you were looking at five and then seeing three on the drawings. That's just a typo in the SOJ and the the drawings are accurate. I would also note that we did have um a virtual

community meeting. Um and we sent out notices about that. Um it was uh I believe it was June 20th from 6:00 to 8:30. Um and I would have submitted a summary of the issues that were raised at that meeting, but nobody came. So, I stayed on my computer um the entire time, but nobody was there. So, that's why you don't see a summary of any community comments previous to to this hearing. Mr. Fischer also just let me know as an additional mitigation technique, we are painting the tower brown and green as a blending mitigation. Yeah. Thank you. Are there any Mr. Fox? Any any other questions? All right. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. All right, our committee uh comment period is now closed as well. Yeah. All right. Next is uh a public hearing period for application Z-2025-0000260 resolution PC-14-25 Northern Neck Leasing Company reszoning. Um as the the comment period be limited to three minutes per person to afford everyone an opportunity to speak once that comes up. Okay. Thank you, sir. I'm just gonna give a brief overview of the application and then turn it over to Daniel over here. Uh, Mr. Daniel Edwards, who's here tonight representing Northern Neck Leasing Company, has applied to reszone with propers approximately 7 acres of land from C2 to industrial. The property is located at the intersection of State Road and James Madison Parkway and is currently used as a legally non-conforming transportation and

freight service location. The use of the property is not proposed to change and the applicant has voluntarily profered out several industrial uses should this go through. The property lies within the Route 3-Rout 301 settlement area as designated in the comprehensive plan. A major goal in this settlement area is to promote a diverse, healthy, and sustainable economy. The application was reviewed by all county and state reviewing agencies and no one had any significant comments or concerns with this existing business. There were a few comments regarding possibly spotzoning this parcel as industrial as it's immediately adjacent to C2 to other C2 parcels. The applicant is prepared to address this concern during his presentation. Uh resolution PC-14-25 along with draft motions are included in your packet. and I'll now turn it over to Mr. Edwards. Thank you. All right, thank you. It's a pleasure to be up here again. Everyone had a nice Fourth of July. And Kelly really summed it up. Uh, my client, Northern Neck Leasing Company, has been using this parcel as a transportation freight service since 1973. It's now being leased to a new tenant as of 2024, Equipment Corporation of America.

They are currently under a um special exemption to continue operating as a industrial use of transportation freight service location and that uh permit was attached to our application as exhibit 2. ECA currently or as of 2023 um brought in $10 million in revenue to the county and they will be a tenant of ours until 2023. We believe that obtaining ECA as a client or as a tenant uh supports the King George comprehensive plan and the comprehensive plan um seeks to add additional industrial development in areas with established industrial use and that's what we have at my client's parcel. What you see here today in both our conditions plan and in the zoning map behind you is as the site has existed since 1973. It existed this way in 1989 when the first zoning ordinance was enacted. It existed in this state in 2024 when ECA signed their lease and we continue uh or we plan to continue it into perpetuity. We don't plan to build any new roads. We're on private water and sewer and there's no increase uh in noise or traffic count that is anticipated. So, at this point, I'll ask for any questions you may have after reviewing our application. The floor is open for any questions or comments. That's a first, I believe. Okay. Um, sure. Thank you. And I had a question. In your application, you profered out several uses. Yes, sir.

Rather than just profering in the use that you're using it as. Correct. Is there any way if we're just using as that use? Why wouldn't we just profer in that use only? Well, we can certainly take that into consideration. Um, I had selected those just because, you know, we viewed them as the most um extensive uses that weren't transportation or logistics. Um, I think warehousing is something that's very similar um that at this point we're not prepared to profer out. But you know, electricity generating facilities, junkyards, recycling plants, resource extraction, heavy manufacturing, all those profers are are to convey that we intend to continue to use it as a transportation freight service. Um, and that's that's how we formatted our application. Right. Okay. Uh the um public comment on this I'm sorry on this application uh Z-2025-00260 resolution PC1425 Northern Leasing Company resoning is now open. Um going by my signin sheet I have no one. Uh so it is now open um for the general public at this time. And again this is on that this application specific right? Sure. Yes sir. My name is David Bush. I'm a resident of King George. I live in the Shiloh Manisterial District. Um my we I I'm a

member of the church that owns the property right next door and um I don't have any feeling one way or another about changing the zoning. Um just maybe an awareness more than anything else because we own the property we haven't built yet. I'm one of the church leaders of Thrive Christian Fellowship. Um and we haven't built yet, but we intend to within the next couple of years. And just a little bit of a concern, but I already spoke with um uh with Daniel and I'm fairly satisfied with what he's saying. Just concerned about the profers later on. What's it going to happen 10, 20, 30 years from now, long after I'm gone, but the church will still be there. Just when they're right next door and it's industrial, just maybe an awareness or a concern of the planning commission. I don't even know what when I think about the profers and all the other things that he mentioned about what it could be used for. Little bit of a concern there. Sunday worship service. Lots of noise. I know there's an ordinance of no more than 60 dB, I believe. Uh I looked that up. I think that's correct. Um which is okay. I'm just concerned about the activity. You know, we might have children running around outside the church, you know, near that area. Uh so it's it's more um just information that I'm giving the planning committee that we will be building a church next door. So I'm not even sure whether there'll be a problem. So I'm not for against changing the resoning. Just wanted to make you aware of that. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Are there any others? Right. Public comment uh for this application is now closed. Think we're we're good. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you. and we spoke outside prior to this, but I just want to bring it to your attention that ECA is a to my understanding a Monday through Friday 9 to5 business. Um they're not operating

on Sundays. And as far as noise, uh the property as it has been used for the last 52 years, has not received a noise complaint um on file. And again, it's not being used on Sunday. Thank you. Thank you, sir. and apologies. But before I leave, if the planning commission has all the information it believes it needs at this time, I would move for a vote um to make a recommendation to the board of supervisors. Thank you again. Okay, so we've um we've heard comments, we've had public comment, period. We've heard from Daniel. Um floor has been opened and closed for comments from us. Uh, we've heard Daniel's plea. Um, I'm looking for a motion at this time. And can I just ask a question real quick? I'm trying to look through our ordinances. Where are the industrial the table that shows what the industrial uses are? It's in the youth matrix uh section. Kenny, if you get it before me, tell her are you on MUN code? Are you looking on MUN code or in the PDF on MUN code? Okay, give me just a second. No, it's okay. Yeah.

Do you mind just calling out some of the potential uses, potential future uses? Yeah, it's division three use matrix. That's true. Yeah, there's everything in here. All the by rights. You want me to read all the by right ones? Was everything else is special exemption? How many how many are we we looking at? Yes. 20 five maybe. Mly, what is there? radio, radio towers, community facilities, educational emergency management, public you uh telecommunications facilities, just talked about those uh brewery, uh primatorium, equipment sales, garden center, manufacturing, restaurants. I'm just doing the buy rights. Uh trades person service, construction yard, heavy manufacturing, light manufacturing, smallcale manufacturing, recycling facility, transportation and freight services, warehouse and distribution and uh that's it. What about the like handling and storage of hazardous materials per se asmats? that's listed in here as a special exception that they would have to come for hazardous materials. Okay. Okay. I was checking on that one as well. Was there something specific you were looking for? I was trying to validate the concerns of anything that might be dangerous or noisy. Would it be unreasonable to ask that? Uh I mean there's already noise abatement in our ordinances. So I suppose uh

because that pretty much covers it if we rely on our ordinance. Yeah, I I I think so. Um did you want to see at all? So yes, sir. So I have no issue whatsoever with them doing what they're doing there, which are the two uses on that. But when this property, it's a non-conforming right now because it was an area that wasn't picked for industrial. So to open up industrial for other things, it was already there. I have no problem with it's already there and them continuing to even with different tenants and things like that. I have no no issues with that. The decision we have to make is do do we want to do that the way it is or we want to do it with just select industrial things out. With select industrial things, you you open it up to a bunch of other uses that are in industrial or or anything we decide later, okay, industrial can be used for this. like when we added battery storage and things like that, you're opening it up to things that we don't even have in our ordinance right now, but if we added later, then that piece is included with it, even though it's outside of an industrial area. Um, so that's kind of the choice. To me, it's a no-brainer kind of to go back. They've been doing it for 50 years. It's what's there. Of course, in my mind, of course, we should let them do it. adding things. I I don't know if that's a good idea at this point without blocking off. Normally when we do that, we block off a large piece of land and say, "This is an industrial area and we're going to allow industrial anywhere in there." So, what you're effectively saying is you'd be fine with it if everything was profered out except for the intended uses, right? And and there was transportation uses and storage. I believe you guys are

probably storing stuff there if you're moving stuff back and forth. So obviously both uses would would stay at Yes sir. Yeah. Unfort I would I would just point out they're already zoned C2 which most of those things that you're saying that you want to proper out they're they're already they can do that now. So they're not you know they're not really expanding the scope um so much as you think. Right. Yeah. Actually, C2 has even more by rights things that they could do, which is fine because it's a P2 area. That's Do you know why you said it was not chosen for industrial? Is that something that you know more about? No, that was before I was in when they did the industrial park and all that, but there are several places around the county that had industrial. We downzone some of them by the request of the land owners. Okay. All right. So, uh it sounds like I think um we're ready for a motion. So, if I can get a motion from someone in a second. I offer a motion to adopt resolution PC14-25 to forward application Z025 202500260 to the King George County Board supervisors with a favorable recommendation. So say it in the mic. I I'll second that motion. Motion's been made and seconded. Uh Mr. Leuke, if we can get a roll call. Okay. Yes, sir. Um Mr. Kendrick mark as absent. Mr. Meyers. Mr. Palota. Hi. Mr. Dorta. Mr. Mappet.

Hi. Miss Flattley. Mr. Fox. Mr. Nicely. Hi. and Mr. Williams. Motion carries. All right. So, motion for Northern Egg Leing Company reszoning carries. Thank you, sir. Right. Next we have uh an amend amendment to application Z-2024-0000194 the green energy uh venture special exception I can speak a little bit um as to the kind of where we are. So public hearings were held on the green energy ventures applications back in April as you all know um where action was deferred due to the ordinance amendment that was required to allow for the taller buildings. So the board of supervisors passed that ordinance amendment in June and shortly thereafter the applicants requested a revision to their existing special exception permit to allow for building heights of greater than 50 feet and that's the public hearing that's before you tonight. I believe they also have a brief presentation they'd like to give to the planning commission. Thank you, ma'am. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. My name is Hobie Mitchell. I'm managing member of Green Energy Ventures. Um, again, as uh Kelly had said, we're here only to uh discuss the hype issue and uh and so we wanted to go through what changes we did since our last uh meeting. Again, this special exception is allow you the board of supervisors gave the ability to make a decision to have a height increase with special conditions, which we hope this

addresses. Next slide, please. So, one of the first things we did after talking to some land owners as well is that we increased the uh buffer height um I'm sorry, the burm height from 12 feet to 16 feet, but we also uh increased the percentage of evergreens from the other deciduous trees or ornamentals. And what this purpose of this was because during the winter the deciduous trees the leaves would fall. So, you would see potentially the buildings in the background. So that's why we increased the percentages. We didn't increase the number of plants because it was hard to increase which is already pretty heavily landscaped. But we also proper to not only an enhanced type C buffer, but also to plant the material at a larger caliber on the first day. So at a five-year growth, you'll see a larger tree uh rather than have a smaller vegetation in the beginning. So we're profering several million dollars of landscaping and we talked to different vendors about some of this ranges from 2 in to 5 in caliber. Next slide. So the way your ordinance reads today is on the top um you're allowed a uh 50 foot I'm sorry a 35 foot tall building uh by right and you have the setbacks in the ordinance that you see right here. This is a rideway 50 ft and then another 50 ft. You're allowed to go up to the 50ft height with an additional 1:1 setback. And so this represents a 50-ft tall building with the increase of 15 ft for the buffer between this area and that area. So from across the street, we looked at different residences from across the street, not only at Bloomsbury Road, but also at uh Kings Highway. And so the visual image of that with the landscaping that's required

under the ordinance, this is what you'll see at the top of the roof. I've also added some things in here about what a parapit might look like on top of the buildings. Um because the roof is measured by the ordinance to the top of the roof. Parapits are in addition to that. So what we did with our plan was not only did we increase the height of the burm but also increase the density of the landscaping but the height of the of the caliber of the landscaping with a greater setback. So, at that same parameter with this house, you'll see the top of the building. You'll probably see a little bit of the parapit and this is represented at a five-year growth. In the back, you'll 65 ft. We profered to say that anything that's that is along Bloomsberry Road andor Kings Highway would have a maximum of 65 foot height. In the back of the center of the project, we had a maximum of 90 feet for a three tier building, which uh we have a fair amount of interest for doing that for a lot of reasons for cost efficiency, for construction, but also for HVAC cooling. Next slide. This is some of the visual that you would see uh at 5-year growth. This is at the entrance of King High, Kings Highway. Again, you can see that all these buildings located in front of the roads on Bloomsbury would be restricted to 65 feet. The only potential area would be behind these buildings. But this is represented a visual of what it would look like from the road at 5 years from across the street from the entrance. Next slide. Here's another visual image about what that would look like from across the street at five years. you know, at 10 years, 15 years, you probably won't see these buildings, but we wanted to understand what it looked like at five years. Next slide. Here's a visual image

also of Kings Highway while you're adjacent. This is going from eastbound to westbound. And so, this is what you would see along the road frontage. We've also in our package this uh did this I'll call it the old split rail fence versus a three rail fence to give it more of a a flavor. Um next slide. This is the visual image on Bloomsberry Road with the landscaping plan. So um this is what we profer to I think. Uh any questions on the height issue? be glad to answer anything. Is now open to the planning commission for any questions, comments. We had a comment from resident here that that lives across the street from on Bloomsbury with Lraange. Did you generate any visuals for him about what his visual would look like? It's certainly it's more difficult to to structurally block uh you know a 65- ft building from a house that's 200 feet away versus being right up close to the trees on the highway. I just wondered if you'd offered him any visual representations. U actually I did I met with he and his wife at his house where his uh farm is and u in fact we talked about that and we talked about storm water. In fact, his uh daughter is an civil engineer and I suggested that his daughter, we can have our engineer meet with his daughter since she understands that to explain some of the water surface runoff. But we did produce some images about what it would look like. There's actually we can go back a couple slides.

I think we have a cross-section. One more slide maybe. We had a image of Bloomsberry Road. Frankly, Bloomsbury is pretty close to it's a little closer, but actually the closer you are to the road, the greater degree of vis you won't see the visual impact. The further away you are, the greater ability to see a building. So the closer you are, the less of the building you would probably see. So I think u the one image you can go back two slides one more the other direction. Sorry one more. Keep going. Sorry. One more. So, as you can see, the closer you are with the landscaping, you see actually less of a building because of the angle of the of the uh of the building. And that's why we proper we added something recently in proper that says that nothing along Bloomsberry Road could be greater than 65 ft in height. All right. Any other questions from the planning commission? Right. Seeing that there are none, we'll close the period for comment from the planning commission. Um, so Duke is now getting me the signup sheet for public comment period. Thank you. All right. So, public comment on amendment to the application Z-2024-0000194 green energy ventures special exception

uh is now open. Ask that you keep your comments limited to three minutes per person to afford everyone an opportunity to speak. Uh I do have some names on the signup sheet. First I have uh is Miss is I'm sorry Brent Hunzinger Hunzinger. So yes, great great question. This is this is this period is only for height the on what on what you just the presentation that you just heard. It's only for for the height at this time. All right, Mr. Mason, did you want to see? Looks we have Ann in I'm sorry I just can't read that. Good evening. I'm Ron Elias. Okay. Very well, sir. Yes, sir. A R N. Yeah. Yes. Madison district. Um I'm going to address a few issues. One of them is uh the euphemism green energy ventures. That's a great name for a data center complex. I'm thinking how does that compute? But putting that aside um I have some cautionary information uh specifically about the height. Um, it may be interesting for you to know that on 5 June of this year, the Lowden County Planning Commission voted to block a key power plant amendment tied to three data center campuses in Leburg, Virginia. And I've been up there and I've surfed the roads and I've seen the the data center campuses. The clashes between data center growth and suburban quality of life. Demand for electricity

up there jumped 230% in five years. neighbors are fed up with power lines and power generators, their the constant hum that they hear and the diesel backup noise. And this is particularly pertinent to the idea of raising the buildings higher. If you want to be heard, you get up on a higher place to broadcast your noise. And if they're talking about uh using air cool, that's generates even more noise than water cooling. That's a great concern to me as a neighbor of this area. I live across the street on Kings Highway and it's very problematical for me having come to the county seeing that certain land was agriculturally zoned and seeing all the beautiful farmland and now having the camel has got its nose under the tent and now they want to bring their whole body under the tent and cuddle up with me with a huge building. I find that very disturbing. Uh, I serve the information from the Lowden County experience just as a cautionary tale for us in King George to take into consideration what all these amendments can do to change the whole nature of a project. And it's easy to come up with artist renditions that as you drive along Kings Highway or Bloomsbury, those you have to remember are artist renditions and may not actually reflect the truth. Um, I have other comments, but I'll save that for another time as they are not directly pertinent to the the height of the buildings. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next, Miss Nancy Ar. How you say your name, Miss Miss Nancy? Armor. Armor. Thank you so much. Good evening. My name is Nancy Armor and

I live in West Morland County and I have our family home is in Woodbridge, Virginia, Prince William County. Um, my career was in IT, specifically selling data center space to the federal government and over the last few years I've been actively involved with Prince William County in their adventures in the data center space. So, I've been to many, many public hearings and uh I've learned a lot along the way. Uh so specific to the building height, one thing that caught my eye was it doesn't uh include anything that would be on the rooftop rooftop equipment and I think that should be something that you would want to consider as other gentleman has said because quite often there's a significant amount of equipment that is put on the rooftop whether that's the rooftop chillers um generators air handlers There's all sorts of different equipment could be put on the roof. The pictures that we see today don't have anything on the roof and that's nice and it's lovely, but the um approval at the building height that you have today where it excludes all of that um would not necessarily be what those pictures would end up representing in real life. So, just some ideas to think about. Thank you very much. Very well. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Mr. Dario, again these comments are specifically for the height requirement. Yes, regard my name is Dario Kachaliano. You guys already know me. But um yeah, regarding the heights that was one of the problem that we have with discuss

that we disagree because the angle yes from the house right cross the street they maybe not be able you know they're going to be able to see just a part of it but if Get up. I won't be able to see half of your body. Okay. So, that's what they disagree with me and they try to tell me not. My house is farther down. Okay. And also on the top of the buildings the machinery that they can put they produce also noise and the noise also going to be able to go through. If it was a barrier there there is more able to defer the noise also. So it's the view is the noise is the light. It's a lot of pollution. And even the barrier that they going to do after they put them the trees and all that. He told me they're going to take 15 years to grow. Maybe the majority of the people that here will be dead by that time. My neighbors right across the street from from the place, you know, they're on the 80s and you know, they're going to be dead by that time that that trees will grow. And I mean they was telling me that I'm not going to be able to see the building when I know for the fact that I am. And that was the the thing the concern more you know that this information gain that they own on it. I think it's totally you know unrespectable and I mean they was little bit raising the boys and and told me no they're not going to be there. You're not going to

be able to see it. And my wife who was there on the meeting, she almost get in tears. She don't want to come in today to the meeting because she was so offended the last time she don't want to go through that aggressivity and things like that again. Okay, that's all what I can say. Thank you, sir. Um, Marcel, uh, Marcel Vber, Horty Group, USA. I feel a little left out because I don't have a burn. I don't have anything. Uh, on the back side, on my driveway side, I'm I'm at a little bit of a loss. You use the same slides as you did before. So on my end, you said in the back it's 90 ft plus equipment, so we're over 100. Uh, and are we supposed to just look at it or are you putting a burm up on that side as well? I'm curious. Um, so 110 ft including equipment. Um, we have crops right next to it. These crops are going to grow in the shade. uh the noise the the I made an an extensive uh study and on how our crops are are um affected height uh shade noise vibration uh pollinators will die off. It is a an absolute show to put this up at this spot, but and to make things worse, to aggravate things, let's double the height on it, to make it even more ridiculous. So, um I would recommend that this this committee reject this idea wholeheartedly. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Uh that concludes all on the signup sheet. Are there any others? Yes, sir. Good evening. My name's Darren Cologne and I am the house that is directly affected on Bloomsberry Road. Um the the height is obnoxious. The noise will be obnoxious. The trees will not grow to height before I die. Um I'm totally against this. There's there's other reasons that include the fire truck and manning the fire truck and housing the fire truck that will support this increased height, the cost that goes into maintenance of the fire truck, the upkeep, the certifications. Shall I go on? No, probably not. um because I am directly affected and my neighbors don't seem to care about my impact. Um I'm taking offers on the property if anybody would like to make an offer. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Are there any others? Yes, ma'am. Good evening. My name is Sarah Southworth and I'm a King George resident. I'm embarrassed to say I don't know what part I'm in, but anyway. Um, so a lot of this is the quality of life

versus money for King George County. While I am against data centers for all of the reasons that everybody has enumerated, I hate to see Air County go down that pipeline. I don't want to live in, you know, big grownup areas like Washington and um that everything north from Stafford north. I like where we live. I'd love to preserve it. I understand the money aspect. However, I'd prefer not to have it. In building this buildings taller, the buildings taller, everybody's talking about the screening process. There are a lot of different things that you can use. Some trees do grow fast, but they don't last very long. Um, so from an ecological standpoint, I would urge them to use fast growing trees initially, but to have your oaks, pecan, walnut trees that are going to be nice and big and and tall. And when I see up there the ornamentals, that just makes my blood run cold because they're foreign to Virginia. and that's going to just add more um things that aren't native that grow crazy because nothing eats them. I would say please use Virginia native shrubs and evergreens and ground covers. Even Virginia pine trees are good for nature. Um if the nature can put up with the noise and hopefully what I've read, they're going to keep the decibb as low as they can and the BMS will help. I wouldn't put things on the roof. I don't know if you can have them just keep them down. Anything that's noisy. Also, lights. Hopefully, they won't put lights on the roof because of the pollinators and the and the migratory birds and things. I would have low lights and I would have them shielded from the sky so that we also don't have to put up with more light pollution in the whole area. The water runoff would be a problem because of the erosion through your

property and that sets up all kinds of other na natural issues downstream because you've got the erosion then you've got the the soil falling in. You've got um you change the natural habitat of the area. So that really should be looked at. If they need water, why don't they make some kind of little pond and have it run in that and use that water before pulling it out of a river? there's always another way to look at it. Um, so the rural habitat that I would love to preserve versus a sterile habitat that could be built, um, I would certainly urge them to use Virginia natives and good trees and things down the line if this should go forward. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right. Are there any others? Seeing that there are none, the uh public com comment period is now closed. Um I want to grant the applicant uh if if they wish an opportunity to answer any questions or address anything. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To your point, we do want to use native species. In fact, ornamentals such as dogwoods and red buds, which are pretty native to Virginia, we like to use a lot of that. And uh and we added the evergreens just because it in the in the winter time, you know, leaves do fall. So we were trying to mitigate that. But we did meet with a lot of people and respectfully listen to people. And uh we we can't satisfy everybody. But just as a reminder, this has been planned as an industrial uh development for quite some time. In fact, there was a user that was going to come in here before higher than the height that the data centers were limited to. But because of the visual impacts of a byite data center, we

actually believe by this proposal that we actually mitigated a lot of the visual impacts and we profer to an acoustical level. The basis for the parapits on the top was really for acoustical treatment, not so much for the visual because we are profered to a a noise level that's uh 65 60 daytime, 55 at night. So there's ways you can mitigate how you can treat those parapits to visually uh be better, but we profer to a larger caliber tree. I don't know if you have 5 in caliber trees, a couple thousand dollars, but we plant that right up front. You can't plant them too big. I'd love to say we could spay truck bigger trees in, but they're not available. So, that's why we're actually going out and shopping for landscaping suppliers to even find us because it takes a long time to find this. But we really, I think, mitigated a lot of the visual impacts. We profered to a pretty significant uh DBA level. Um in fact just having a conversation I get an app this conversation actually we're having right now is higher than what we profer to. So we really have to do that and we increase that for noise levels but I think we really did a great job for an industrial use like this uh compared to what could have happened on the site years ago especially when there was a proposal for a food distribution facility with none of these things that we're profering today. But uh but we're glad to meet with certain people. I think I'm a big landscaping guy. I'd like to do it that way. Native species because they have better success for survival. And uh we appreciate all the comments related to that and hopefully you'll move this forward. Thank you. Uh sir, if

you I do have a question, a point that was made out uh earlier in comment uh pertaining to rooftop equipment. Could you elaborate on you're going to have mechanical equipment on the roof and the purpose uh you have fans up there. So the purpose of the parapits would be for buffers to mitigate any sound and acoustic treatment that could happen from that equipment. But there's a lot of things that you can do to mitigate noise levels from the top. It could be the fan speed, could be the uh the angle of the fan. We'll have to evaluate that at the time of the engineering for the construction. But that's why you have an acoustical engineer that will evaluate that because we're profered to a noise level. And uh so the parits on the top are specifically not just to hide equipment but mostly for acoustical treatment because that's as important as anything else. Right. Do you have an estimate of how much additional height that mechanical equipment is going to extend above the roof line? I know we can't hold you to it. That's not in our definitions. Just a general idea. We 10 feet, 15 feet. You know what? I don't think it'll be higher than 12 feet. That's what our estimates are. There is equipment, you know, technology changes all the time. You can have some equipment, it could be three to four feet, could be 12 feet, we estimate is what we think will be the height. But whatever it takes to mitigate any sound and acoustics, it will be. So if it's 15t, we don't want to have it any higher than we have to. We just want to comply with the noise ordinance and make sure you visually didn't see the equipment. Thank you, M. Mr. Ian. I think you had a Okay. Very well. All right. Um any are there any other questions from commission? Thank you, sir. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. So, um, if there's no more discussion or if there's other comments, you may do so at this time. You need to close the public comment. I'm sorry. Uh, if you're ready. Public public hearing is now closed. Um, uh, so comments now from um the planning commission. So just in general, I've got general comments to the whole scope of the project. So I guess my question is we have three other applications pertaining to this. This is I believe the fourth. So how do we want to handle all that prior to a vote, which I would assume is going to happen tonight? I I think we have to take um this as a whole because if you were to say uh you're for you know one aspect of it, it definitely affects all the other aspects of it. So I think we need to talk about all of the issues collectively. Exact. Yeah. And I agree with that. Yeah. So, no. No. I I want to I think I want to hear the rest first and then if we if we if we can. Well, I I mean, are we So, if we're going to have discussions and comments within ourselves on the whole scope of the project is are we doing that right now? No. Or are we doing that later on? I want to do that later on once we we hear everything. Because at this point we're not we are not expected to take a motion or a vote on this specific height exception at this point. Are we do we need to make a motion about this specific exception at this point or do we do that later

after we've had the overall discussion about the project? So it's a little bit tricky because there's a specific order that the motions would need to come in. Um, first obviously you'd want to approve the reasonzoning to even go forward. So the list of action items or the items that are deferred from the previous meeting kind of in the order that you all should discuss and take them up if that makes sense. Thank you. So we can we we do not do this one first. We have our general discussions about the overall project and we'll take them in that appropriate order. I know it's a little tricky but yeah. Okay. All right. So with that being said, next uh items are are deferred from our previous meeting uh which is res first is resolution PC-05-25 application Z-2022-000021 uh green energy ventures reszoning. So I don't is there there's nothing to be presented. It's just for discussion. Floor is now open. Yeah. Yeah. I wrestling with this. Um we have other data center applications either approved or pending. The Amazon is approved. They could build out tomorrow. We could approve this today. would have two hypers scale with unknown effects in terms of amplifications and noise and and and frequencies. Uh my second concern is this is the gateway to King George. King George is the gateway to the northern neck and 100story buildings to me does not communicate

respect for agricultural heritage. Thirdly, the loss of agricultural industry is irreplaceable. Um, should we lose I mean we have the largest uh horiculture the tulip farm in North America here perhaps in the world. There's 300 jobs there. So, you know, net net are we better off? Um it I support industrial activity at that location but I would support it to be in support of agricultural activities you know giving you a market a warehouse a seed score um you know a a cattle pin um no seriously um I'm concerned about the the the creek and water management I'm, you know, I'm I'm confident that we're engaged. I mean, I, you know, I support this sort of thing, but I can't support it there. The the loss of ag of of some of our finest agricultural land, the Taylor property, Burnley, you're it's a beautiful piece of property. Um, you know, until we understand what's happening, you know, with the others, you know, maybe we want to consider capping the the total square footage of data center or or solar farm. We we want to be the place where people come to get away from data centers. Yeah, that's King George. And finally, our air quality is why people want to come here. Our air quality is so good, we can pour a lot of filth into it and still be better than Northern Virginia. That's the reason to keep it what it is. So, people want to come here for fresh air and visual,

you know, reggrounding. So, um I appreciate the applicant's efforts to accommodate um our concerns um but I find it difficult to support at this time. Mr. Chair, you have the floor, sir. Thank you. So, I understand this is an area set aside for industrial zoning and I'm okay with that given it location within the county. I'm also not fundamentally opposed to data centers as you heard last month. However, I do not view the specific project as appropriate for this specific land. There is no public water. There is no gas line. There is no appropriate electrical infrastructure. Regarding electric, the site is part of Dominion, which means that citizens subsidize 55% estimated of the cost of electrical upgrades. I don't know how y'all feel, but I for one am tired of my personal electric bill subsidizing billion dollar private projects around the state. Regarding water, there are two production wells plus a potential backup well will siphon 60 to 70,000 gallons of water a day. This is roughly the equivalent of 190 homes by SMS discussed during the last application period for this project. This is the last thing we should be approving in one fell swoop given the current considerations and concerns with the aquifer in the county. So in consideration of this, could these parcels eventually be appropriate for data center usage? Perhaps. But they are not under today's conditions. Furthermore, we've had the owner of the adjacent property tell us in uh during the last public hearing that in no uncertain terms, his business will be leaving the county if this project is approved. I'll point out that his business is the exact type of business we want here in order to preserve the agricultural nature of the county. So, not only do we lose their tax revenue and jobs, but more importantly, what kind of signal does it send to future or existing business partners if we effectively say, "Well, thanks for being great neighbors for years, but you don't contribute enough financially, so we're going to deal with these guys over here." To do that would be fundamentally

wrong and dishonorable in my estimation. Lastly, when considering land usage, we also need to consider who will be the stewards of said land. As of now, I do not have confidence that this applicant is the proper steward for these parcels. I would ask all of you to think back to the last few meetings reviewing their application. How many times have we looked at each other up here with confused looks due to what was on paper not completely lining up with the answers we were being given to our faces as we started digging below the surface level. We also need to consider the comments from the direct neighbors regarding notification. During the previous public hearings on this application, we had not just one, not two, but seemingly all neighbors here stating that they never received notification. That doesn't look like just an oops. That looks like the pattern. So again, I would ask this is the type of partner we want in the county. So I cannot support this in this time. Please, please, please. Thank you. Are there any comments from Lav. So, you stated that very well. Thank you. Uh, I just wanted to say that u making these decisions um can be very difficult and I've worked uh spoken to the applicant many times and I see uh a lot of back and forth where he wanted to know what we wanted. Um, and it it I found it a little disappointing that those conversations weren't being had with some of the people who uh also had a very vested interest in uh what was going in next door. Um I think that they have done um a lot to mitigate what a data center is. However, when I go to uh making this decision, uh it's not the reasoning because the comp plan says industrial um but under the special under our ordinances, we basically say data centers shouldn't be over the uh height for that zoning district. And then um under the special exceptions, it

basically states that the King George Planning Commission has made the following findings regarding this application. The proposed use is not prejuditial to the character of the neighborhood. Uh the proposed use will not be detrimental to the use development of adjacent properties or the general neighborhood, nor will it impair the value of the buildings or property in the surrounding areas. And since I can't support that uh document, um I I can't support the project. This is what we would be um agreeing to. I think um Sean requested influx next. Sure. I'm not uh speaking for or against, but I just I just want to point out one thing that uh we should consider and um this is the property rights of of the people. Obviously, if I live there, I wouldn't want to see anything but a farm field. That would be great. Um but I promise you that they're going to find the highest and best use of that property. uh you might not want to see a data center there. Um you know if I live there I I'd probably rather it stay as a farm but um if you know if we decline this um they they'll find something else you know and and things that things that you would look for um you know we we mentioned that the landfill is is going to run out very soon. um this might be a great area for a landfill or it could be some other use that we haven't even considered. So when I when I look at this as a whole, I think that um the the the downside of it is not as bad as what it could be. You know, they might um they might find some other use that would be very objectionable and and get that through. I think that um I think that um with proper planning, you know, this

they've mitigated most of the concerns. You know, I heard about erosion and you know, there's extensive storm water management. They you can't build anything in this county without the storm water management there. You know, all the runoff water is going to go to lakes. Um and um it it they're not allowed to have a runoff on your property and erode it. Um there's just something just something to think about and and it reminds me of um when we actually did the landfill. There was there was a ton of people uh that that didn't want the landfill right next to them. I I would have been first in line too and uh the applicant ended up buying I don't know 10 or 15 of the houses that were right next to it. you know, still the entire area is affected, but you know, we need to have a landfill and um it also you would consider, you know, there's a certain amount of resources that that will support these data centers. Okay? So, you can you can decline this one and you know the this is the right area, they'll go right across the county line. They're still going to use our power. They're still going to use our water except where we won't get the tax revenue. uh the tax revenue from this project would allow us to close that landfill and ship all our trash out of here. Um you know that's these are some of the things that we should consider. You know if if all these data centers um came to fruition um you know some of the numbers I saw it it could be more than the entire budget of the county. You know that would that would give the supervisors um lots of lots of flexibility. We could pay off you know the debt service which makes makes these water bills really high. um we could um eliminate property taxes for residential folks, you know, and still have tons of money left over. Um now, I just I if if if we should say either this or a farm field, I'd rather say a farm field. But if you say this or whatever next that they can use their

property for by right, um I would I would pick this. Get the tax money for it. And it's um they they've made extensive progress here to to try to plan this well. And um that's the key is the planning. And um you come back to property rights, you know, and I'm I'm a real estate guy. I just know it's going to be the highest and best use right now. It's speaking to us right here and we're going to get um a big boom to the county. But if this is not it, it'll be the next best thing. and you know then the neighbors may or may not like that. So, you know, that would that would be what I would I would consider on this whole thing. And I I see the downsides and and I have empathy for the people right next door. But um you know, if this was next to my property, um I I this or an unknown, I would take this um personally. Thank you, sir. I think u Mr. Fox, I think you request the floor. Yeah, I would say in in principle I think King George ought to have a data center. Uh it's a terrific opportunity uh in principle for the county uh for all the reasons we've talked about uh lower intensity use for a lot of economic gain essentially. I'm just not convinced that that location is the best location for a data center. uh in part because we already have one approved literally just just almost next door. Uh the Amazon uh web service uh site is is already approved on both sides of Kings Highway. It would be if it were built out to my knowledge probably the largest or approximately the largest in the United States already approved and now you we talking about putting another one

potentially on top of it. Uh there's also another project as we all know uh uh uh seeking approval uh out on 301. So we need a data center I believe. I'm just not sure we need two or even three data centers in this county. And I would need to know more than I do than I know now before I could feel comfortable approving it. I'd need to know really what the status was with Amazon. Are they really coming or not? Or and if so, when uh might that be? What would be the issues surrounding whether or not they come is still a bit murky to me and I'm on the planning commission. Uh likewise, uh air quality is an issue, a potential issue rather from all the standby generation that's required. And if Amazon does come, oh then, you know, uh it's not just a matter of a baseline as as it exists today plus this project. It's a baseline of what about Amazon plus this project today right on that spot in the area where everybody's uh present uh and living there. Uh I'm also been given to understand that uh 40 group has not been approached by the developer for a uh heart-to-heart discussion on what this may or may not do to their business. If I'm wrong, uh perhaps you can correct me, but hedic group Mr. Viviver has indicated to me that he's not been contacted directly by the developers for a meaningful discussion and he's obviously very concerned that his business will go down the tube. So that to me says if he's your next door neighbor and you want to be a good corporate citizen in the county then it would certainly seem to

me to behoove you to have a conversation with your next door neighbor who thinks his entire business is going to go down the tubes. So there are some unknowns here that personally I would need further clarity on before I could get comfortable supporting this project. Thank you. Are there any others on the committee that wish to comment at this time? Yeah, I'll go ahead and speak. Um, this project has really consumed me a lot here. Uh, trying to decide which way to go with this. And I want to address a few pros and cons of this. Um, as has been mentioned, the revenue is is a big concern here for the county. We've got a lot of infrastru infrastructure projects that we need to to take care of. Um, the dump is about to close. that's going to be a big burden to us real soon when we lose the revenue and have to pay more revenue. However, we can't just chase the revenue. Um so, so we can't let that drive us be our sole driving factor. The other thing that I the other point that I've been been wrestling with is this is in accordance with the comprehensive plan. this area is part of the, you know, an area where we want to have industrial projects. Um, so it's hard as Mr. Palota said, you know, there's other things that could go in here by right that could be even worse than than a data center. Yes, we all know data centers have their issues. We shouldn't bias our opinion of what happened with data centers 20 years ago or 10 years ago. Technology is improving. I think uh this company has been very good and has been listening to a lot of the issues that the county has brought up, right? They're profering a tremendous amount of things to the

county. Sites for a water treatment plant, money for for emergency services, money for the parks and wreck, additional fees and and taxes, whatever the proper term is that they're offering up over and above just the normal taxes that they're offering. So there's a tremendous amount of things. All the adjustments they've made to the burm site and and trying to adjust this. The concern that I keep coming back to, however, is probably the one that hit me at the start. This project seems to be a project that is trying to put five pounds of stuff in a 4 pound bag and they are trying to squeeze every square foot of data center into this site that they can. That's the impression that I get. Um, if you look at the layouts, it is incredibly dense. There is not much land that is usable that's not in an RPA. that's still left on these sites. Almost all of it that is not in an RPA to my impression from what I'm seeing has looked like it's either going to be built on or paved over. So, I've got a a tremendous amount of concern about the water runoff in that creek. We've heard a lot of concerns from people about the water and the water quality that's going to come out of this site. To this date, I have not seen a lot of discussion about storm water management. I see no storm water ponds. I see no discussion about storm water management. They say they're going to retain it and put it out at a slow rate. Well, where is that going to be retained? Are we going to be digging big systems from an old school terminology? We're going to be bu, you know, having big water retention ponds that we bury under the

buildings cuz I don't see a place to put storm water management facilities here. I offer, you know, I suggested a few months ago at a previous meeting that that I could get behind a phased approach to this. Let's see with a smaller project how this works on this site. The project has already was proposed as a phased project. I tried to suggest that we get a phased approval and a phased approach. So that does not appear to have come to fruition. So I feel like we're being somewhat back to to the wall to say this is all or nothing, which seems pretty similar to the discussions that were had with another data center in previous times here. So, while I support a data center in this location, I'm having a very hard time supporting a data center of this size in this location in one fell swoop. We need to get a smaller facility in there. Let's see what the noise is. Let's see what the impact is to the neighbors. Let's see what the impact is to an existing company that's hiring 300 people and is a real asset. and the type of facility we want in the area before we decide to completely shadow them with 100 foot plus buildings and noise and other issues. You could give them some more setback with a smaller project. So, I've got real concerns with a project of this size. I support a data center, but not this not this current project. Thank you, Mr. Lively. Please. Thank you. Are we we done with our comments, Mr. Matters? So,

well, I agree with Mr. Palota. Most of this project is in an A1 is zoned A1 right now. It's not zoned industrial. Um, and I agree that we need to start with a data center somewhere. We already have one approved. Um, but a lot of the problem I have with this is that this project started out as a data center which I thought was a huge project and then they made some profers which were very good I think for the county and with those profers that they added they then added a bunch more height to it and made more density which which I I I definitely don't feel good about. Um, again, I with one approved, I don't know that it's the time to go to a second one now till we find out what's happening with that one. But, um, you know, and and then we have other ones on the on the on the on the on the list. So, um, that's that's kind of my thoughts on it. Right. I think everyone has, um, made their comments with the exception of me. I'm going to save mine for the last to the end. Uh but what I am going to do uh is I'm going to allow the applicant I think one more opportunity to address anything that you want to address and then I'll make my comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the planning commission. Um we really have tried our best to reach out to the community. In fact, several years ago, I did meet with the owner of the Tulip uh facility. uh I met with one of my partners and a Julie KFA and at that particular time it was communicated very strongly that I really don't want to talk to you. Just go away. I don't want to have any other

interference. It's my turn to talk. No sir. Okay. No sir. No sir. So um I didn't reach out to him. I got the message. Um, the other thing I I hope everybody understands that this man sold his business last February for close to $50 million to Lenway. In fact, I got the random report. So, I hope they understand that he actually sold his business. He still runs it, but he was also located next to a large coal power plant for 25 years that operated. So, we talked about how a data center could affect it. a coal plant in my mind would be pretty significant with millions of tons of coal coming into you virtually every day coming in consistently to run it. So it didn't seem to affect the agricultural business because I think he moved in after it was already operational. But this property has been planned as an industrial park for decades. It's always been like this. This is probably the least intensive type of use that you can possibly imagine for a property. If we had gone to a just a 50- foot height and not asked for anything, these buildings would probably more visible than what we mitigated in our plan and try to make it visually more compatible with the visual impact when you come into King George County. In fact, you got a resoning application in Stafford just at the county line where the 500 KV lines are for a significantly large data center property on the south side of Route 3. So whether it happens here, it's going to happen down the street probably. So why not have the benefits come to King George residence than somebody else? If you're going to drive by and look at it, why don't you take a look at that? But I uh I think it's important that you understand we really tried hard. We've

we want to participate and be good neighbors. We've always been in every jurisdiction we got to. We try to mitigate any noise issues, visual issues, and I think we've been in compliance with the comp plan. We're the only one that's been in compliance with the comp plan. Period. Everything else passed incoming has always asked for a comp plan amendment. We've always been in a comp plan. Always 20 years. So when you talk about uh we're too dense, we actually reduce the density. You know, we heard you. We actually reduced some of the buildings. We've avoided We talked about visual impacts of people to the north. We're not disturbing any of that area over there. All that wooded area and the environmental corridor, we are staying away from it. I seriously doubt we even uh have to do wet mitigation because we're avoiding it. So, I'm just um kind of hard to understand. I hear some of the comments, but I think uh it's important that uh you do consider this and you vote for it. Clark, I don't know if you have anything you might want to add. Uh we're actually trying to solve some of the water and the sewer issues and participate in the interconnection between Oakland Park and uh Hopyard to help the county mitigate any expense of that. Doing a $2.5 million worth of public safety improvements at a very important intersection right there at Bloomsbury Road and Route Three. I don't know if anybody drives there, but it's a dangerous area. Industrial traffic. We're going to do that all up front. So Clark, maybe you want to add something. Tonight may have begun a little bit disjointed because we had this smaller

public hearing in the context of the larger application. U Mr. Mitchell had a a presentation for you of everything that we had changed since we met with you in May. Now hopefully you've seen the propers, the red line version, and have seen the changes that that have been made. Um, I did want to respond. There was a a comment, I believe you, sir, about storm water and uh uh Mr. Gretchi at the last meeting did get up and share with you exactly what was going to happen and what the standards were, the state standards that we would have to to meet and how that would be handled on site. So, we did try to address that issue. It doesn't mean that there should be large storm water ponds on the site, but I think Mr. Mitchell has indicated pretty clearly that uh he's been working on this for uh going on three years trying to make this work at this site. And there was a concern about the uh intensity of the development and we tried to move some things around and reduce the density rather than go into a phasing which would require as I understood the suggestion last time another approval and much as we like to meet with you all you know that that's resonings these days are a pretty ownorous process so that push back on that. But we thank you for hearing us and we trust that you're familiar with the changes that we made and did try to make in response to uh the questions that you raised at your last meeting. Uh and uh you know always happy to be try to be further responsive and address uh new concerns that you might have. But I think we've tried to deal with what you uh indicated and communicated you wanted us to address. So, thank you all for your attention.

Anything else? Yes. You know, I'm I'm glad you brought up the one issue because we did focus a lot on state-of-the-art storm water management because we have provided or will be providing systems and collection of rainwater using rainwater as a source for humidification for irrigation but also for flushing toilets uh to mitigate any excess groundwater. In fact, uh I don't know if you know this, but the nursery is the largest consumer of groundwater outside of the county itself. Uh 140,000 gallons a day, I think it is what it's permitted for, but we're so much lower than that. And we've created an underground water storage system. Talk to manufacturers about how it's designed and collected and filters especially for events that could happen. It's a safety measure for nutrients or anything else that could get into the environment. So, not only we controlling the flow of storm water from the property, but we're using it for purposes of humidification and potable water supply. It's a couple million gallons of storage. It's all underground. You don't have these big ponds. You don't need it. And we really mitigated, especially by reducing the density, the density of the project. You talk it's too dense. I look at some of the other stuff and we're about 35% open space excluding all the things that you can't count as open space. If you count that, we're at 40% open space. That's pretty significant for an industrial piece of ground. It's not very dense. We're 0.52 F. So, I hope you reconsider what I'm hearing because I think it's a very positive project

architecturally, environmentally, and uh and visually, and such a great partner we could be as we've always been in other jurisdictions. Thank you, sir. So no sir, your public public hearing is closed. The this is a project that has has gone on for quite some time. Um and for me it boils down to two questions. Does it benefit the county economically? And does it hurt or does it hurt um the county environmentally? Um those those questions to me have have been answered. I'm I'm I'm an environmentalist to to the extreme. I love to fish. I love clean water. I love clean air. I'm from Tennessee, right? Where the where this the Great Smoky Mountains where it's pure. Everybody likes to go there, right? So, I want my county to be as crisp and clean as the Smoky Mountains. I also know that change is something that's going to happen. I have a father-in-law who's 97 years old, been in this county right here, lives on Round Hill Road, started out as a bike path, grew to a road, grew to a paved road. So if anybody has seen change, that man has seen ample amounts of change. We have an opportunity to control, to orchestrate,

to have minimal impact, but yet grow at the same time. what I've heard, what I've what I've what I've seen on on on the screens, um, in my opinion, they've put forth a great effort. They have shown willingness to work with us. They've gone back, they've changed things. They've answered questions. It is our due diligence to protect the community, but it's also our due diligence to be fair to any applicant who comes forth to us. And so that's all I'm asking is you be fair, you be just in your decisions, consider all that has been presented before us. um and make the best decision for the citizens of King George. Mr. Chairman, could I ask a question? Will we be allowed? Sir, no, sir. I I'm you I've gave you the opportunity. I've I have the last word. So with that with that being said, um I'm now open for well we'll make a decision on this and that will determine on whether we make decisions on on the others. Is that correct sir or how does that go? You need to make a recommendation on everything because ultimately the board supervisors makes the final decision. So yours is a recommendation. All right. So, uh, on this resolution of PC-05-25 application, I'm not going to read all that. Green energy ventures reszoning. Do I have a motion?

I make a motion to forward application Z2022 00021 with profers to the board of supervisors with an unfavorable recommendation for the following reasons. It does not align with the county's data center ordinance regarding building height. The proposed use is presidential to the character of the neighborhood and the proposed use will be detrimental to the use or development of adjacent properties or the general neighborhood and will impair the value of buildings or property in the surrounding area. Second. Motion has been made and seconded. Brett, was that you? Sorry, that was you. Mr. Duke, if we can have a roll call. Yes, sir. So, the motion was to forward with an unfavorable recommendation. Mr. Dorta, hi. Mr. Fox, Mr. Palivota, nay. Mr. Kendrick, record is absent. Mr. Mappet, I Miss Flattley. Mr. Myers. Hi. Mr. Nicely. Hi. And Mr. Williams. Nay. Motion carries 62. Right. Next resolution. We still need to go through these. Correct. uh PC-06-25 application Z-2024-0000194 Green Energy Ventures special exception floor is now open for discussion if any there any more discussion

make a motion uh to forward resolution PC 0625 Five, application Z202400194 as amended to the board of supervisors with an unfavorable recommendation for the following reasons. It does not align with the county's data center ordinance regarding building height. The proposed use is presidential to the character of the neighborhood and will be detrimental to the use or development of adjacent properties in the general neighborhood. It will impair the value of buildings or property in the surrounding areas. Second. Motion's been made and seconded. Okay. Mr. Palotto. Nay. Mr. Matet. I. Miss Flattley. Mr. Myers. Mr. Dordo. Mr. Fox. Record Mr. Kendrick as absent. Mr. Nicely. Hi. And Mr. Williams. Nay. Motion carries. 62. Yep. You don't need to do anything with that one. So resolution PC-07-25 Green Energy Ventures HCOD exception

request. Mr. Chairman, I'm I'm sorry. You all still had a substantial accord resolution before you. I think you should go ahead and act on that however you see fit. I think it's not a separate resolution, but you should make it as a motion that you either do or do not find the project in substantial accord with the comprehensive plan. Okay. So, see if I can do this right. I make a motion to find that the special exception application is not in substantial accord with the comprehensive plan. Correct. Second motion remain seconded. We can absolutely say I believe I mean we're voting no on all that stuff but it is in in accord with the comprehensive plan I believe. Is that correct? Say I didn't hear you say I'm sorry. We we voted no to not a favorable recommendation on the data center but it is um in accord with our comprehensive plan. Am I correct? So if it was if it was reszoning in accord with the comprehensive plan, I would agree with you. But it says the special exception application is in substantial accord with the comprehensive plan. So since we did not see that this special exception was um favorable, then I don't think we can say that this accord is favorable. Does that make sense? Yeah. Actually, actually, I don't think it's I don't see how this is not in accordance with the comprehensive plan. We expect this to be an industrial zoned area. We might not like this industrial this special exception, this particular project, but to say that something

of this nature is not in accordance with the comprehensive plan. Um, am I wrong in interpreting this as that this special exception application, not a generic idea of a Yeah, that that area is zoned A1, but it's also in the comprehensive plan as a area that is expected to be an industrial area of the county. But if you look at the exact langu language, it it does cover a lot of activities including industrial. However, the overarching principle, the vision of the county's identity is its rural character that this is going to vote to the vote and move on. I don't think we're going to change minds. I just have a hard time with saying this is not in accordance with the comprehensive plan. If that property was paying industrial it's it's taxes for 40 years I'd be all all I'd be all over that nested right. Well all right Mr. Myers you have the floor. So I guess you get to the question is would the zoning ordinance be considered part of the comp plan on it? because it doesn't for building height. But besides that, I feel like it's in an area. We said yes. Right. That if it's gonna happen, this is what's gonna where it's gonna go. This is one of the areas in the county. So, I could be wrong in my interpretation of this, but if if if they said, you know, is reszoning this property to industrial in the comprehensive, you know, plan, I would agree. But we are ask that we're talking about this particular special exception application. That's the words that are used. And so

that's why I interpret this to not just be a generic reasoning idea. I think um if I can if I can see council's clarification. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. I was talking to Kelly. What was the question? Sure. No worries. Um go ahead, Denise. So, if we were to phrase this in a way that said that reszoning this to industrial was within the uh comprehensive plan, I would agree. But this says that this special exception application, which is the one that we're talking about specifically tonight, um is not in accord with the comprehensive plan. So I think there's some discussion up here about whether it's a within the comprehensive plan because it's an industrial uh comprehensive plan area. It it I think you can make an argument either way. Um I think reasonable minds can disagree on it and I think you all can vote as you believe the proper vote is. In other words, I don't think there's one right answer. I think as you see it, you you vote. And I would suggest that it might be about the exact wording that you put in the resolution if you want to say this specific special exception versus a reszoning. Yeah. But if if the only place you can do a data center is industrial and this area is slated for industrial, then if you're going to do a data center, this is the area. All right. Sorry. All right. I'm gonna close I'm gonna close discussion. Um um do we have a motion? I believe we have a motion and it was second. It's already motion's been made and seconded. Yes, sir. One last thing. I was going to say if we add to that motion because of building height, I think it clears some and I I I don't even though it's a place that we said if we're going to do

industrial, it's where we would do industrial. Nobody said that's a place where we're going to put very tall buildings. Would you like me to withdraw my motion and you can rephrase it? I withdraw my motion. Motion motion's been withdrawn. Which one are we on? It's easiest to this one here. Right. This is Oh, here it is right here. Z 2024 194, right? Uh I'm not sure that's that's what she just substant This is substantial accord, right? Mr. Chairman, I'm I don't want to interrupt, but if it helps, I think the motion could be as simple as the special election is special exception is or it is not in substantial accordance with the comp plan and you just vote as you see it. Each individual member Yeah, I move um I move to find that the

special exception application is not in substantial accord with the comprehensive plan. I second. All right. Motion's been made and seconded. Four. Ready. Okay. Mr. Dakota, Mr. Palotto. Mr. Fox. Mr. Kendrick. Mark absent. Mr. Matet. Mr. Meyers. Hi. Miss Flattley. Mr. Nicely. Nay. And Mr. Williams. Nay. Motion carries 53. And then there's one more for the exception request. Don't need a separate one for the All right. So that's just just one more. The exception requ All right. So, the resolution PC-07-25 Green Energy Ventures HCOD exception request. All right. Any discussion or motion? Door is open. Guess this one is somewhat somewhat confusing to me about how how to deal with this uh internally and the logic of it because I I don't fundamentally have a concern

with the HCOD and giving them more than one entrance as as stated in our ordinance. But since we're not even approving the overall plan, this seems to be somewhat of a moot resolution, I know we need to go through it. But, um, Mr. Chairman, again, the board of supervisors, there'll be another public hearing and a vote. And so, it's important that you all make your recommendation on each element as you believe appropriate. Very well. So, so try not to look at it as a whole. You have to take each piece, right? So if you're in agreements with this piece, yeah, which fundamentally I don't have a big concern planning in terms of road entrances, it's the other aspects as I mentioned in my comments. Again, we take take each each piece. All right. If I can have a motion. I make a motion not to adopt resolution PC0725 to allow the exception to the highway corridor overlay district for more than one entrance into route three for the following reasons. project does not align with uh the county's ordinances regarding building height and plan commission has already moved with an unfavorable recommendation of this special exception project. Is there a second? Motion's been made and seconded. Okay. Uh, Mr. Matis,

Miss Flattley, Mr. Myers. Hi, Mr. Dordo. Mr. Fox Mr. Palavota nay. Mark Mr. Kendrick absent. Mr. Nicely nay. And Mr. Williams. Nay. Motion failed. Four to Oh, no. I'm sorry. Motion tied failed. Oh, wait a minute. One, two, three, four. Yeah, it's four. Four. Yep. Yeah. So I think uh in the event of a tag goes to the chairman. I say nay. Right. So uh your motion failed. So do I get a motion? If it's a tie vote, it goes with a no recommendation. No more no recommendation. Fine. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. You made a motion not to adopt and it failed. Correct. No, you actually No, you you if if if there's a motion and it and it's ties, the motion fails unless and you it would go without any recommendation unless someone wants to make the opposite motion and you have at least five votes to pass that in the affirmative. Otherwise, that one would fail as well and there would be no recommendation.

I think we have one more. Is that correct? Not for this particular project. No. Okay. All right. Um, being that we all are over 40, our bladders are probably full. So, I request that we take a break. Make a motion we take a break, which has been made. Five. Five. Five minutes. Five minute break.

Okay. Next uh is resolution PC-11-25 comprehensive plan amendment to add parcel 17-24. skipped one. The Clydeale primary settlement area. You you skipped PC10. Yeah. Yep. Or we'll we'll come back to that one. We're going to do resolution PC-10-25 application Z-2024-00224 DR innovation hub resoning application. Is there anything to be presented or nothing? Okay. The Yeah, the applicant's here. Mr. Chairman, do you all need any more of a presentation or anything from the applicant? If you do, I they're happy to do it. If you don't, I don't think they have to do it. It's up to y'all. Okay. Um, so if you would, uh, the board is requesting that we go through an updated profer um, if you will, and that may help us out. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Thank you. Thank you, board. Uh, chair. Uh, my name is Nick Over. I'm here on behalf of Dogrin Innovation Hub. Uh, I want to first say thank you to everyone for our the the great comments and thoughts that you gave us at the last application. Um, our team took those to heart. I think we we went back to the to the drawing board a little bit, made some tweaks, worked closely with Commissioner Nicely and others um on on our changes. I feel hopefully that the commission believes that we addressed

the concerns that were raised. Um some of those just to summarize, you know, we are we are requesting 70T max height. Uh 65 ft is will be our max height within 250 ft for the one building in the front. Water. We have clarified our language. We are not using county water um for any cooling purposes. We are connected to the county water system. We will be profering over the 200,000galon water tower to the county. We um specified some timing around that. Uh we also clarified some of the timing around our public trail. Um, we are going to we put in a time frame of it's only be able to use from sun up to sun down. Um, and that we will comp we also added some language as to when we will complete that. So, there's a little more specificity there. Uh, air quality was a big one. Um, we took that really to heart and u we are prepared to profer tier 4 compliant um generators throughout the site which is a huge upgrade over tier 2. Um, and if need any details around that, I'm happy to provide that. Uh, Commissioner Williams mentioned clean water and soil. We have, uh, added additional language there stating, you know, in addition to what we have to do with DEQ on the state level, we will also prior to construction, um, and site plan, identify locations and test test the soils. And then we will commit to do that annually um, while we're while we're under construction. and then for 3 years after construction as well. Uh finally, we added the detail around our public safety profer which is a $3 million profer um aimed towards a ladder truck. But if for some un unforeseen reason that we're not able to get it on time, we will cover the cost to rent a fire a ladder truck until such time as the ladder truck is received by the

county at our full expense. So, with that, um, you know, we have we have provered 500,000 for workforce housing. I workforce development, I'm sorry. Uh, one $1 million for parks. Um, we we're going to build our our trail system, 3 million for public safety, and the water tower, which we value at about $5 million. Um, so that is a quick summary um of of the updates to the proper package. If there's any other questions, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you, sir. Uh, the floor is now open to the commission for any questions that you may have uh of the applicant directly. What was the estimated annual revenue to the county that you had calculated? Ross, do you want to answer that? My partner Ross Liken House handles all of our fiscals. um at full stabilization uh after all the projects are built, we're estimating approximately $120 million in net fiscal impact across real estate and personal property tax revenue. Thank you. That's over what time frame? You said $120 million. That's not per year. That would be per year. Per year. Full stabilization. How how many? Okay. When would you how long would do you project it would take to get to the full um probably at full buildout depending on leasing uh and occupancy and the speed of power delivery. We're probably looking at close to 15 years to get to full stabilization. Um that $120 million is on average and that's based on a refresh and recycle of equipment every three to five years which is industry average. um some cases less than that because most of the revenue that's derived from this project will be a tax on the data center equipment which is a tangible personal property tax. Um can you just explain uh what entities

do not pay personal property tax that might be leasing your space? Um well right now we don't have uh any leases in place um for the project um because it has not been approved uh as far as I know. um government entities that owned the equipment inside of the data center, that would not be taxable. But entities that lease that do not own the equipment, that would still be taxable. So, as far as I understand, um anything that would not be taxable that would impact that revenue would be entities that are taxexempt that own the equipment that's being operated inside of that. But in a traditional collocation facility or if you've got um entities that are leasing not only space but the equipment as well regardless of who they are if they're paying to rent that would be taxable. Do you have any data that um might support what percentage of uh your typical data center has taxable equipment versus not taxable equipment? I mean could we lose 40% of that projected tax base? Let me fix this. So I have to get sorry about that. Um I don't have studies in terms of what the average uh tax exempt occupancy is of data centers but I would say it's relatively small. Um we are certainly not targeting that. The revenue off of the real estate alone even in a worst case scenario that's going to drive fairly significant revenue. It's about a 20% um to 80% real estate to personal property tax ratio. Um, I I would expect that uh if there was leasing um at these facilities that it would be relatively small. Uh if you're talking about a breakdown between exempt and non-exempt entities, that is certainly not part of the business plan. Uh Miss Flatly though. So you said property accounts for 20% of that estimate. Generally, it's about it's about an 80 to 20% ratio. Um just to put it in perspective. So from a from a construction cost perspective, right?

So, from a real estate standpoint, just to nerd out just a little bit, um the real estate uh taxes that are derived from the property are based on an assessed value that's broken up between land and building. Um the land valuation be based on entitlement as the highest and best use off of sales comparables. Aren't a lot of sales comparables uh for data center lands uh in King George County. So, the third party appraiser that you have hired to assess your real estate will do a much broader search. the value of that land would be based on the power that's being able uh to be delivered as well as the entitlement for the total square footage and some combination of the two. Um the other component of the real estate is based on the structures themselves. Um according to Virginia State code, the initial assessment for the buildings will be based on the cost to construct. Uh and right now um the cost for construction could range anywhere from $600 to $1,200 a square foot. And again, that's just for the improvements. It has nothing to do with the equipment inside of it. The equipment that's inside of the building um is tax based on a personal property tax return. That's original cost less a depreciation schedule. You all are inside of the Fredericksburg Regional Alliance. And so that's based on a specific depreciation schedule and a specific tax rate which is $1.25 per 100 after depreciation. the breakdown between that revenue lands and building and then equipment if you're talking about $600 to $1,200 per square foot um for uh the improvements as well as the land value which you could value depending on the sales comps that they come across and be looked throughout kind of the Fredericksburg region could mean anywhere from $200,000 to a million dollars per acre. So that plus the construction cost and then you add the equipment inside of that. Um that equipment again anywhere from 2500 all the way up to $5,000 per square foot and that's recycled every 3 to five years. So that original cost basis beginning in that depreciation schedule will go back up to the top of that return about every 3 to five years. And when you look at the tax rate that

you have right now, which I believe is around 68 cents, 69 cents per $100 for real estate, and then you look at the $1.25 based on the valuation, you kind of get to that 20 to 80% spread. If that answers your question, Mr. Moffett, so I'm just trying to get down to the ratio for Miss Nicely or Miss Flatly, excuse me, your wife's not here. Um, if everything was publicly owned and exempt, you're saying it would still that estimate it' be 20% of that estimate would still come of county, which would still be at its lowest point, an estimated 24 million. Is that correct? Correct. Well, to put it more generally, anytime you own commercial real estate, if it is leased by a non or if it's leased by an exempt entity, because the valuation of that structure, the way that it's assessed, even if they're leasing as an exempt entity, it's still taxable. The only component inside of that building that would be exempt is if an exempt entity owned the physical equipment. If it's an exempt entity that leases the equipment, that's not exempt. So just to paraphrase down, sure. Worst case scenario, estimated 24 million a year. Best case scenario, estimated 120 million a year. Is effectively what you're saying without having my spreadsheet pulled up, but generally? Yes. Right. You um I didn't even think I was going to get to talk tonight. This is exciting. Okay. Um we saw some displays where the BOPL hits a cliff. Um are is there some special arrangement under the Fredericksburg regional allowance that the the the business professional occupational license? So the analysis that we did, you may be referring to another project. The analysis that we did um was purely based on what I call the known known um and this is where we get into the academic speak of economic

impact analysis and fiscal impact analysis. Even inside of a fiscal impact analysis where we're looking at the local revenue versus the public service cost associated with this project, we only went with the known knowns. And the known known are what your assessor and your appraiser can dictate through state code what you can effectively bank on. Things related to business professional occupational license, which is a gross receipt tax based on the earnings of the businesses that occupy and build and construct and things like that. That is very much a moving target. And to be perfectly transparent with you, you can put a number on that, but unless you know the businesses are going to occupy and the revenue that they're generating, it's to some extent throwing darts in my professional opinion. So the revenue that we're quoting to you is purely based on the known knowns, the real estate and then the tangible personal property. There are costs associated with that costs that are reported and there is an assessment methodology that you can effectively bank on if you know those numbers. So those are the numbers that we've utilized for this project. have a question, but it's not it's not tax related at all. I'm not sure who to direct this to. That'll be basically just everybody else but me. Yeah. Okay. Was there any other questions for Ross because he's clearly smarter than I am when it comes to these? Actually, I have one more. Is the um is there a different methodology than um other data centers that you're using to calculate the that revenue or is that a general data center methodology? So the the the general methodology was standardized uh in Virginia a few years ago to create certainty and also to create this um uh I would say uh war of in of of incentives that was that was taking hold frankly up between Lden and Prince William County between tax structures. So the one thing that they could do uh to give uh treasures, commissioner revenues, board of supervisors kind of a known quantity is to standardize evaluation practice. The valuation practice that we used is based specifically on the methodology and this is this is a significant difference.

We're not using comps because it's a very dangerous methodology uh for data centers. This is based on how data centers are assessed and taxed in the state of Virginia based on state code ordinance as well as training methodology provided to the assessors through the VAO. Thank you. Uh uh okay. Uh we understand that you're going to need a tremendous amount of base load power to operate the facility in excess of a thousand megawatts perhaps. Uh where are you in your discussions with Dominion Power on getting this supplied and uh describe the process a little bit of uh for us going forward as to how you get comfort on uh what the timing around that actually is or can you or to what degree can you get comfort on what the timing around that actually is? Yes. Uh so we are sitting within the Northern Neck co co-op territory. So we have been working directly with Kyle Allwine and the Northern Neck team who then is our conduit to Dominion who is Dominion controls the the power the you know the transmission and then we will purchase our power through Northern Neck. They will maintain the substations because we're working through a co-op. We are required to pay for our own substations on our on our dime. Um we have received our preliminary um report back from from Dominion and Northern Neck that this project is feasible and they can provide us power over a period of time and it ramp you know it doesn't obviously happen all at once and it it ramps up over time and that typically happens in 300 megawatt chunks because that is the max size that Dominion will create substations for in Virginia. So that is our plan three to to phase it in basically 300 megawatts 300 megawatts. So that is how how it gets phased in. So

if I could ask what do they need to see from you to make that commitment apart from some type of financial. So as soon as we receive approval we um we will be putting down a substantial deposit on the first substation to order the transformers and that is um a very substantial number. The availability of power is more what I'm referring to. Yeah. Yes. We we have received confirmation that our project is in a great position to receive power. The first Okay. I mean, just the the general issue is whether or not we're going to have any extended lag time, whether we're going to be waiting around for this for years or or or Well, I will I will say it takes time for us to build the substations to do the side work. And that's that's the lead that's that's the long lead item is building the substations and getting that really those completed. Yes. Okay, that's good to know. that substation can be done in a year, year and a half, but you have to get the transformers since those are a long long lead item, but that, you know, that's that's changing and flexing and um there's ways to to expedite that. So, we're working direct with our partner at Northern Neck and and I'm happy to have, you know, a conversation with you and and involve Kyle Allwine and and have them um update you further. Okay. Thank you. Are there any questions from the board? Do you Mr. over. Do you mind um for my colleague who wasn't here last month just going over the setbacks again? Yes. So, what we have done is we we had prepared and I can give you a copy of our our presentation. We Okay, great. We had prepared some re um we hired a a firm to do a realistic study, drop the buildings in at the proposed grade in relation to the grade on 301 to see what you would see. And we we dropped that building in there at 70 ft. But what it really is that's actually higher than what we have uh profer to which is 65

feet. Um 65 feet within 250 ft of the rightway. Anything beyond 250 ft can go to 70 feet 5T more. So we there's that one building that's closer to 301. We took 5T off of that one. Does that does that includes things on top of the building or have that on top? No, it does not. That is just to the to the height and then typically as was said earlier you you'll see 15 ft of equipment above that. So, and your rendering was at 65 or was it 70? 70. But we're reflecting we're reflecting rooftop equipment an additional 15t in that rendering. Oh, are you okay? Yes, sir. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay. And those are typically set back from the building here. Oh, clicker. I love a clicker. Let's go to So, here we go. These were our 70 foot roof lines. And you can see the we need an update. Is that me to do that or Okay. Sorry. Okay. I lost my train here. Sorry. So now we are these are see at the bottom here all buildings are shown with a roof height of 70 above finished floor. Buildings are shown with a 5ft parapit and a 15 foot mechanical screen wall. We wanted to be as realistic as possible with our our images. This is the summer image as you're going north. The left kind of shows you where the buildings are in the in the background. It's a little crude. It's hard to do that. But on the right is what it will what it would look like. Now we're looking at this viewshed. These are the existing conditions on the right. This is the building that I referenced that will we've lower we said will only

be 65 ft. It's still shown here at 70. So you can take 5T off of that. This is our most visible view. This is the summer coming back down 301. You know, we're we're we're pretty lucky here with the benefit of a very substantial um BM that's already in place. You will see the top of the top of the building there. And there will be typically glass fence on on a portion of the front of that. This is the summer. And so that was those were the the view sheds. And you're Oh, you're still putting the glass and everything on, correct? You normally Okay. All right. All the power for this is coming off the transmission lines that are already crossing the property. Yes. The 230 KB line. Okay. It's why we identified this location. And just to confirm because I think you might have misspoken earlier, you will not tap into the aquafer, but you will be on for the use of like the potable use and all that. You'll be on the county water line to supply that. Correct. County water for non-cooling uses, right? Like so you're you're typically talking about 300 to 350 gallons a day per building for that for that use. All of your cooling is done I guess with surface water that's there. There's a No, no, it's air cooled systems. So So what you do is you charge the building at the beginning and we've agreed to just bring that water in. You you you do a one-time fill up of the system. Each building is usually about 100 150,000 gallons of water at the beginning. Um we profered not to to use to do that ourselves and we'll pay to bring water in for that. It's a one time. You actually fill it up once you discharge it and then you fill it up

again and then you're good to go. All right. I think I think um questions have been asked. meeting you're meeting all the sound ordinances. Yes, sir. Correct. And we have a sound study and we have you know we've also profered to an additional um 100 you know 100 feet all the way around the whole site for landscaping I mean to existing vegetation will stay in place and only 300 we will only impact 300 of our acres on our site. Thank you sir. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate your time. All right. Um, so we've had we've had questions and I'll open the floor for discussion among ourselves. If not discussion, um, I'll ask for a motion. Door's open. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution PC10-25 to forward application Z 2024 00224 with propers to the board of supervisors with a favorable recommendation. Motion's been made and seconded if we can have a roll call. Okay. Yes, sir. Mr. Fox Mr. Kendrick absent. Mr. Mappet. Hi, Mr. Myers. Mr. Nicely. Hi, Mr. Dordo. Mr. Palota. Hi, Miss Slattley. And Mr. Williams. I. Motion carries. Right. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution PC11-25 to forward a favorable recommendation to the on the comprehensive plan amendment to the board of supervisors.

Second. That motion's been made and seconded. Okay. Mr. Dorta, Mr. Fox, Mr. Pelotto. Hi. I'm sorry. I sorry. That's okay. Mark Mr. Hendrick absent. Mr. Mat, hi Miss Flattley. Mr. Myers. Sorry. Hi. Mr. Nicely. Hi. And Mr. Williams. Hi. Motion carries 71. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution PC 1225 to forward application Z 2022400225 to the board of supervisors with a favorable recommendation. Second. Motion's been made and seconded. Okay. Mr. Palotto I mark Mr. Kendrick absent. Mr. Mati I Miss Flattley Mr. Dorta Mr. Fox, Mr. Myers, Mr. Nicely. Hi, and Mr. Williams. Hi. Motion carry 71. I'll make a motion to find that the special exception application is in substantial accord with the comprehensive plan. Second. Motion's made and seconded. Okay, Mr. Matet. Hi, Miss Flattley. Mr. Myers, Mr. Nicely. Hi, Mr. Dorta. I'm sorry. Hi, Mr. Fox. Hi, Mr. Palivoto. Hi, Mark. Mr. Kendrick, absent and Mr. Williams. I mission carry 71.

Ready. I'll make a motion to forward a favorable recommendation to the board of supervisors to approve the special exception for the increase in building height greater than 50 ft. Second. Motion's been made and seconded. Okay. Mr. Dordo. Hi. Mr. Fox. Hi. Mr. Palota. Hi. Mr. Kendrick. Sorry. Absent. Moving it. Sorry y'all. I'm getting tired. Mr. Mappet. I know. Miss Flattley, Mr. Myers, Mr. Nicely. Hi. And Mr. Williams. I. Motion carries. A motion to forward a favorable recommendation to the board of supervisors to approve the special exception for walls and fences to be allowed to be greater than 10 ft for screening. Second. Motion's been made and seconded. All right. Uh, Mr. Myers, Mr. Palota, hi. Mr. Dorta, Mr. Mat, hi. Mark, Mr. Kendrick, absent, Miss Flattley. Mr. Fox, hi. Mr. Nicely. On this one, I'm going to go nay. Okay. See a justification. Okay. And Mr. Williams? I motion carry 62. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution PC 1325 to allow the exception to the highway corridor overlay district for more than one entrance onto Route 301. Second. Motion's been made and seconded. All right. You guys are the dream team up there. All right. Sean Brett. Um Mr. Kendrick absent. Mr. Myers. Mr. Palotto. Hi. Mr. Matthysse. Hi. Mr. Dorta. Hi. Miss Flattley,

Mr. Fox, hi. Mr. Nicely. Hi, and Mr. Williams. Hi. Motion carry 71. All right. That is the agenda. Next on the agenda is I do believe staff report. It's just included at the end of the packet. I'll take any questions if you want to give me a call. Um so board I think the next uh is our favorite part of the meeting which is the adjournment. Make a motion to adjourn to the next regular schedule meeting August 12th. Second. Second. Uh motion's been made and seconded. meeting Journal.