Affordable Housing Trust - Regular Meeting

Uh so first thing on the agenda is public comment. Uh do you want to call the role? Make sure. Oh yes. Uh roll call. Um uh uh Brian Lang present. Uh Colleen Colleen Roy here. Sarah. Sarah here. And Dan Kusher is here. All right. Now, public comment. Uh, do we have anybody on Zoom? We do not. All right. Uh, moving right along. Uh, we have a update on 1727 Upton Street. Um, Fiona, do you want to kick that off?

Sure. Thank you. So, um the team, the development team reached out to me and they are planning to set up a pre-construction meeting with staff um and go through any of the um pre um pre-building permit conditions. Um myself and the conservation agent met with them via Zoom as well the other day um just to kind of set up some stuff. There's some traffic mitigation work um that needs to be done as part of the approval. So, we set up those accounts with uh Mary and we've been coordinating on um some of the affordability uh paperwork. They've secured MCO housing services for as as their monitoring agent um and sent me some additional paperwork. So, I submitted that request for inclusion to the SHI. I don't think that the regulatory agreement they're not going to be they told me they're not going to be finalizing until the official transfer of the property has been complete. Um but I did let EOHLC know that they can expect that soon. Um so hopefully those those will be added. Um but yeah, I think it's it's more they're going to be uh clearing uh you know, limit of work clearing um and doing their sight stabilization, self fencing and waddles and all that fun stuff soon. Conservation will inspect that. Um and yeah, I think they're going to be off to the races. They had all of their utility work um covered prior to the uh paving moratorum on 140 and they did uh made all their connections. So, they should be ready. They are currently working with Mass Dot on some um they're kind of they're going back and forth with them about um kind of where uh the property boundaries in terms of the right of way. I think that there just needs to be a little bit of clarification, but they're having that dialogue with Mass Dot. We're not really

involved. Um it's part of their permitting process. So, yeah, they're good. They're going to be um Brendan Homes should be um completing the final um requirements to do the building permit. They have a foundation permit now. Um so yeah, exciting. Yeah. Um Mr. Chair, um Fiona, you mentioned submitting um to EOHLC for um inclusion of the units on SHI. Um

do we have an expectation for when we should hear back? And I think that should push us over 10%, shouldn't it? I don't have the spreadsheet in front of me. I'd say we would be we Yeah, I think so. Um because last time Brian, you and I talked, we were at was it 9.37 or something and then Yeah, I think that that would would get us there. Um and usually I do get a response back from somebody at EHLC that the email was received. Um, so I will, um, I will keep an eye out on that tomorrow. Um, and I did tell them, you know, I'm I'm not going to be around, so just talk to Natalia in my office,

um, with any updates that they have. Okay, sounds good. That's that's pretty that's the biggest update I have. Um, I know the final transfer of the property is just going through some final last checks um and with Evan's office and the Slack board. So, all good. All right. Anything else on uh 1727 up in the street? Anybody? Cool.

Actually, you know what, Dan, real quick. Sorry. Um, so I think this the big thing that we'll need to and I relate this to Amber so she knows, but um, you know, the biggest thing and Kathleen's on um, as well, but just making sure that the obligations in the grant agreement, they're supposed to be providing periodic updates and just making sure, you know, all of the paperwork for any future uh, funding requests are within the parameters of what's allowed in the agreement and just kind of just keeping an eye on that in general. I think we all know that but just you know you might will probably be seeing more requests now that um things are moving. So just those monthly I think it was like a monthly report. Um so just bear in mind

Colleen so I guess who do we want to make be that point person Dan? Do do you have contact with Brendan Properties where you can be sending him like on the first of the month asking him for an update? I just Fiona makes a really good point. I don't want that to slip through the cracks because everybody thought somebody was doing it. So, can we just maybe assign a person right now because we're going to be losing um some key stakeholders soon. Um uh yeah, that could be me unless somebody else wants to do it. I don't mind doing that. Okay. Thanks.

I I think according to the grant agreement, we're supposed to name someone. I don't know if it specifically says it needs to be a member of the trust or that we need to name some somebody as part of a as kind of a main point of contact. But um but yeah, as long as it doesn't say it has to be somebody on the trust, I have no problem with it being Amber. Makes sense. I'll just insert my two cents and that it probably should be a staff person just like a dedicated staff person for it because just there's a little bit, you know, we'll just be able to follow up better and um yeah, I would agree. I mean, if it's me, I'll just have to like ask somebody most things anyway, right?

All right. So, uh yeah, sounds good to me. Um, anything else on uh 1727 up the street? Uh, Kathleen, I just wanted to um say did do we finally get a copy of the grant agreement and signed by everybody because I haven't seen one, the amendment that we passed. Dan, you signed it and sent it back the next day. Um, and then I think Brendan Holmes and John Grant need to sign it as uh next. Yeah, we should be following up with that because, you know, John's been pretty slack about getting those things done.

Mhm. I mean, I would imagine that the financing needed to, you know, needed to know that we were going to do this, but they should get a final signed grant agreement signed by everybody. Yeah, that what you just took a note on. Thanks. Uh all right. Uh anything else? All righty. Uh next we have uh updates on 516 and 95 High Point Drive. Uh

so Dan, I'll just do a quick intro. So, um, as you all know, we talked about this at the last, um, meeting, but obviously with my departure, I just wanted to have MHP come and just speak to, um, any kind of current updates and then we talk through next steps and kind of the contingency plan in my absence and who's going to be um, kind of handling stuff on behalf of the planning department and just make sure that all of our tees are crossed and our eyes are dotted and whatnot. So, Carsten has um, so kindly agreed to be here tonight. Thank you, Carson. So, I will just hand it over to to her to elaborate on some of the um paperwork pieces.

Hey, good evening. Um thank you for having me join and I apologize. My internet has been a little spotty all day. So, if I'm freezing or you can't hear me, just wave. But right now, it seems to be okay. So, hopefully it'll hold. Um I am here um on behalf of my colleague Emma McGarin who has been really the point person working with the trust um on these sites. Um unfortunately she couldn't be here tonight but I know as Fiona mentioned uh just to kind of make this connection ahead of Fiona's departure. Um so I am a senior real estate development officer at MHP on the community assistance team. Um along with Emma, I work on um municipal vacant sites within our HOA program of which this is in. Um so I am very familiar as a standin. Um so what I thought I would do, I know you've received the report. Um we did get some comments back. Um so I thought very briefly I would just uh summarize what was in the due diligence report and sort of our uh impression. Um, I want to allow time for questions and then I can kind of talk about where we see next steps as part of our work and part of the grant for the site. Um, so the BA report overall, you know, what they do under this grant and with this work is to look at the sites that we give them and understanding all of the development constraints, the topography, the lot size, what other wetland or water resources there are, um, the available utilities, and come back to us and say, "Yes, generally we think this is feasible for development, or in a very rare instance, uh, no, We think there's a huge hurdle to overcome and luckily as you saw in their summary generally speaking they think that the goal of the trust for these sites is feasible. These sites are feasible for development. Um,

as far as I can tell and with my discussions with them, the topography of each site seems to be the most constraining factor of where you could site duplexes um or you know two unit buildings on each site, but it does not seem to really impact um the fact that you can still site them. Um they did do a wetland review with mapping and because of the location um that was not as close to the sites they decided that at this stage we don't need to spend money on the additional wetland delineation. Um that wetland map that they showed would obviously be included in any sort of additional next steps RFP just to make everyone aware. But obviously the goal of our due diligence working with Bowler and um the things we find out about the site are to be able to compile all the most important info that we can to hopefully eventually do a request for proposals for a developer so that anyone reading or responding has as much complete information as we can within time and money allowance here. And also to say, you know, we've looked at it. We think that generally speaking, this would fit here. Um, now the one thing I forgot to ask, Emma, we did get updated uh concepts with the um most likely location of septic. Did you guys receive that or would it be helpful for me to share now to take a look at?

So, Cara, we we didn't. Emma was going to send out um some additional um specifics. So I think um this will be the first time we're seeing you. All right, great. So why don't I go ahead and share my screen because I know um there was some site concepts, but then there was just a question about where potentially the subjects uh the subject would be located on each site. So excuse me while I go share button and All right. And just let me know if everyone's able to see that. Okay.

Um so here we have five high point um accessing off high point roughly a leeching field here with a septic kink on this side. Um, and I can always go back to these, but I thought I would just scroll through. Um, 16 off of high point. Um, with a leeching field along the side here and a septic towards the back. And then this one I think um one of the more challenging from a topography perspective cuz we kind of do have this higher point here in the front, but they were still able to generally fit uh a two-story duplex with an appropriately side leeching field and septic tank. Um so you know obviously these uh site concepts are certainly not a final design. We are not at a design stage of this. This is mainly an exercise to say yes, it could fit on the site. If and when an RFP goes out, a developer may respond with something slightly different. These are site smaller sites, so it's hard to say how much more different it could be. Um, but this is where they have landed just for reference and to be able to say, yes, um, this works on the site. Um, so I will let me just double check on my notes. the other things I want to check on. Um, but I can stop there for a moment and see if anyone has any questions to discuss right now and then um I figured the next uh section I would go through next steps regarding the RF question.

Yes, sure. Um, thanks Carson. I think um my main question um is when we're looking at these sites and kind of feasibility generally um was there view um taken you know whether or not things would necessarily fit on the site or was it um economic feasibility as well? So, it's like, you know, given the topography consu constraints and concerns, um, you know, potentially some some more tricky um sewer and septic um, uh, issues. Um, yeah.

You know, do we have a sense of of whether or not these are these might be economically feasible um, in general or specifically for for affordable housing? Um so generally speaking very small projects of which this would be and particularly because it's essentially what we call scattered site. It's not on one contiguous site. So you'd be looking at six units on three different sites. It would be tough. It's certainly tougher than sort of um a more typical tax credit project. This this would obviously be way too small for a tax credit rental. Um it could potentially be a home ownership, affordable home ownership. Um but there is not a huge funding stream or really any specific funding stream at the moment for home ownership. That being said, um there are smaller developers that I have seen who have been able to make these kind of projects work. Um so we have not yet fully run any sort of economics on our end. I think we needed to want to kind of have this conversation with you guys and get to the next steps. Um but uh never say never. There is a possibility um you know in the current development climate with ongoing costs that an RFP might go out there may not be any responses. Um but I don't think at this stage from what I've seen of similar projects and who I've seen be interested. I don't think it's impossible that this could get done.

Thanks. I Yeah, I don't want to get ahead of the the RFP conversation. I'll let you kind of lead that first, but I think that would lead into, you know, kind of my followup would be when we're thinking about it in RFP way back when, u the trust had had talked about it's like, you know, do we need to package these in a way so that if somebody builds, you know, four affordable units and and can make two market rate to to make the economics work? You know, I think that's something that the trust has

mentioned being open to in the past. Um, we also, I'm sure you probably have bunch of the history, but we got these as part of a a settlement with the developer. Um, there was also a monetary component. Um, and the trust has has other funds. So, you know, theoretically the trust could talk about, you know, sweetening the pot that way. Um, I don't know what we would want to include for possibility f, you know, possible flexibility in an RFP versus um, let developers come to us and tell us what they would need to make it work. But um

yeah. Yeah, absolutely. We can um I'll kind of get a little bit more into that about what the RP process would look like, what the next steps for the board would be around some of those decisions. That is a great segue. Um but I will make sure nobody else had any other questions or uh comments about the due diligence report. Colleen, is that going to be added to the project page so that people could go look at it after this meeting? Yeah. Yeah. Once I receive it, that was a yes from Amber in case you didn't hear. Carson, we're okay to share that?

Yeah, that should be fine. You know, again, I'm always, you know, these these go out um and people say, "Oh my gosh, what is it going to look like? This is what it's going to look like. This is not what it's going to look like." So, you know, if if you have a title of the link, you know, draft, site, concept, due diligence, something that's hopefully very indicative that this is not a final rendering. But, um, yeah, I think it's it's certainly okay to share.

Can we watermark it with draft, too, just so it's not missed at all? Like, it's very clear. Yeah, I can have Bowler um send an updated that has the draft on it. Um and I did note uh I know Fiona had sent some comments to Emma. Um I know the ownership was listed incorrectly in the due diligence report. Um cuz it looks like the assessor has not been updated, but I know you had sent me the evidence of ownership. So, um I can make sure Bowler updates that in the final report. Um and then the water utility access. So, I'll make sure that those two things are also corrected.

And Karsten, the only other thing that was jumping out was just, and I don't know if this is something that will be later in the RFP, but just like the permitting just confirmation of like the permitting pathway in in accordance with the existing comp permit. Um, whether it's a new filing or, you know, just making that um

Yes. Um, yeah, that's so actually and I see Kathleen O'Donnell is on here. Um, so I had a great chat with my colleague Katie Lacy who is like all things 40b and comp permitting. Um, and the question I had for her is whether or not these would be able to tie into the original comp permit or would they need their own because it's a new owner and a new developer. and she was Yeah. What' she say? Yeah.

She said it would need to be a new one because of the specifics and the applicant tied to the previous that she thinks the new a new selected developer would essentially have to do a new comp permit. H um I'm not so sure that that's the right answer. Um it the the permit's on record and and and to read the whole permit again, but normally somebody flips the property, they're stuck with the terms of the permit that's on record.

Okay. I mean, that that would certainly be ideal. I mean, they'd have to come in too, they'd go with the ZBA to say, you know, wanted to do a minor modification in terms of switching out who the developer is, but I don't I don't think that um you you file a new 40B. Okay. All right. Well, I think, you know, in that instance, that certainly that helps a lot. Obviously,

um I I know that Buller also mentioned something about height relief in the due diligence report. I don't believe that was correct. I don't think height relief would be needed um if the approach was duplexes because I I think they would certainly be within 35 ft. However, that being said um and I'm I'm sure some of this was probably referenced in the previous comp permit, but obviously these are smaller lot sizes than is required in the zone. That would be the biggest thing. And then as we talked about with the topography of those particular sites where you have to end up citing the building you there would probably be some setback relief required as well. And then of course also the use being uh duplexes two family buildings. Um so you know again Kathleen you're an attorney if that would count as a minor modification could be amended under the comp permit.

Well you'd ask for it to be a minor modification. and it might not the board might not agree um because it's a duplex as opposed to a single family and so you would have to have a public hearing but it's still amending the existing comprehensive permit. It's not a new comprehensive permit. I so I think that would still be the recommended path of permitting. Um and that's where I those are the three main areas required for relief under this proposal

that I would see. Yeah, the one thing that um just like the the separation of the driveways might just need to be included for relief too if it's more than 20 ft. And then um I think that there was one the one the challenging lot um this with the septic in the front. It's just with if it's in with um 10 ft of the property line just going to need relief in that regard as well because we usually have a 10-ft vegetated buffer. But this is minor stuff. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Um, so with that, unless there's anything else specific to the due diligence, we can kind of talk through what this would look like going forward. Great. Okay. So, you know, again, this would be the stage where in the grant and our work, we assess whether or not we again, we we feel like a request for proposals uh would be feasible, that there would be interest. And like I said, I you know, it's certainly not as attractive as some other sites, but I still think this is a possibility that there are developers who would be interested. So, what um we would need to do next, and I can work with Emma to get this to the board, is have uh the board confirm parameters within the RFP um that you're putting out. So to the board trust members comment earlier whether or not you're saying this is these are totally all affordable um or we are open to you know a majority affordable with a couple uh market rate understanding the economics um whether or not you are open to a rental proposal or to home ownership. Um, I'm going to say I don't think rental would be feasible here, but you know, this is something the board would discuss just because this would be probably a top one to manage and I don't know anyone off the top of my head who would potentially be interested, but it's up to the board. A home ownership may be a better fit. This would be something I would discuss. Um, the sort of things within an RFP per 30B guidelines, um, you know, you you can't dictate design. So, you can't say, "All right, well, we we absolutely want a a bin a building with blue hardy board shingles and the door should be located here, and here's a picture of what we want." That means you're getting into a public construction project, and that's a different scenario. So, you do need to

leave it open enough for the developer to respond and propose. Um, and so I have a list of questions, some of which I think we've already answered or discussed, but I'll make sure to send those along for the board to kind of finalize in terms of where you're leaning on parameters within the RFP. From there, Emma and I will work on drafting the request for proposals within those parameters, within the guidelines that we know, and send it back for review. If everything looks good, um, we can have you release it, um, if you need any assistance with that. Although I I think that you've had some experience with this before. Um, we cannot be on the selection and review committee only because MHP is a financing agency. So there is a chance that any of your uh, respondents may be coming to us for financing. So that would be a conflict of interest. But we are available to answer questions about the process to help guide you to answer questions about scoring and evaluation criteria and um and the process for the selection and from there hopefully success and the selected developer and um some new affordable units.

Uh Colleen question about the um design restriction example you gave. Can we be vague enough to say to match the character of the neighborhood? Right. We don't want it to be very obvious that those three lots, but we don't want to be as prescriptive as you were saying.

Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Um, you know, referencing some some RFPs may say, you know, matches the aesthetic of the town. In this instance, I think where it is sort of placed in the midst of an existing neighborhood, that's what we would want to reference. That is absolutely okay. you just can't get into other kinds of color specifics or materials or window placement or you know an elevation of what you want. But yes, that would be fine. Sarah,

yes, I actually had the same thought of like is it possible to even just reference or include what the developer of the existing houses were? Um cuz I imagine a developer wouldn't want to like put in something that is crazy different than what's there. Um but then my other question is actually more to our to the board members uh or to the trust members, sorry. Um so I guess is it up to us to kind of make a recommendation of um what we want to propose in the RFP or include as an incentive. So like what Brian was saying about kind of sweetening the pot like do you know or kind of like putting how do we make that I guess I'm just asking kind of the logistics of how do we come to that decision of the mixed use or is that not up to us? Is that going to be the select board that decides that?

Kathleen the mixed use mixed use. Oh sorry I'm I'm so sorry. I've had a very long day taking care of two little kids. I meant the multi-units where some are affordable and some are not. So, kind of making it some are market.

I think I have to look more carefully at the settlement agreement um for these units that we may have been required to use them for affordable not for market. Um that's my recollection but I need to confirm that. Um so this was a you know 40B permit you know where the developer failed to provide the affordable units he was required to do under the permit um and all sorts of trouble ensued between you know the town and and uh the board of appeals and this developer. So I'm not um I'm not comfortable with the idea of thinking we could do market I think.

So I have to check and make sure that I've read that settlement agreement. It's been a while. I think one of the was um market rate or was intended to be a market rate unit. I think um yeah, I think that that um I wish I I I got to like learn the numbers. But yeah, but I think that you know before we sort of you know had Oh yeah, we can go ahead and do that. Um we need to check that. Yeah. No, I think the lots wasn't intended to be built on by the original. Okay. It's that very like front one that's like on the corner. Okay.

It's the the two bigger like like the more square lots that are Yeah. So, we just have to check that settlement agreement and then you can say I mean I I've worked with other towns where we have said that you know the trust or whatever or the town itself has funds available you know. Mhm.

to assist with the construction. We just did a duplex um arrangement um in another town and that's with the affordable housing trust and Habitat. So, you know, we sort of said, "Oh, we we have funds to help do that." But we had, you know, you don't promise. Um and sometimes we've had conditions that have said, "Well, it's subject to us, you know, receiving CPC funds or whatever." So, you know, it's kind of a contingency that can be discussed, but it wouldn't be an outright grant, an outright promise. And we we CPA funds for that, right? Uh, yes. Okay. If it's affordable unit, not if it's in market, but yes, if it's unaffordable.

Yeah. I've also had RFPs similar what Kathleen said where the town just indicates the availability of the fund. You don't promise, you don't put in a number, you don't but just to let developers know that that is a potential funding source, right, Colleen? um when you send over a list of questions for us to consider, could you also send us over an example of a completed uh RFP, one or two, so that we can just read through what one would look like, too? Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you. I'll see if we have one that was on a smaller site potentially too just so that um the language is is closer to what it would probably be for this.

Any other questions?

All right. Um well feel free to reach out to Emma and as I said she'll be she's just had a commitment this evening but she will continue to be contact. You can also reach out to me um because her and I work closely if you think of anything else. Um but you can expect from me or Emma in the next few days to be getting that list of questions as well as um as Pauline requested a RFP. Um and I will also make sure that I share the um updated concepts that I had tonight because it doesn't I don't think those were sent over yet. So, I'll make sure it goes well. Amber, do you have EBA's contact information? Yes. Okay. I didn't know if that was something we needed to get from Fiona or

Yeah, Amber should have Emma's and Karsten's and Katie's. Oh, is Katie? Katie's gone. Carson Katie gone from Mat. Uh, nope. Katie is still there. I think she she did announce her retirement um later this summer, but um she is awesome. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think everybody has each other's contact information. Um Amber will probably be the the best point of contact for this, but it also um Amber can share um the assistant planner's contact information in my office to do any planning related coordination. So, her name is Natalya. Okay, great.

All right, thank you all very much. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming. Thank you, Kristen. Really appreciate all your help. Yeah, good luck, Fiona, in case I don't talk to you. Thank you. Bye. Yeah. Bye. Uh All right. Uh next we have uh treasure. Uh yeah, treasures report.

Sure. So um so this can be pretty quick. um not much activity in um in January. Obviously, we had the the one GSX payment that we approved um I think uh either in January or late December. Um we the only other thing I' I'd really note um is that as of January, we have exceeded um 10% of this year's um CPA grant. Um so according to the the grant agreement um that's the kind of the cap for what we're we're able to um to use for admin expenses um out of CPA funds. So going forward the rest of the the fiscal year um any admin related expenses will be coming out of the the nonCPA bucket. Um, and then Colleen um, also put me in contact with the treasurer of CPC and um, I am likely planning on attend attending their next meeting at the end of the month um, to to chat through the reporting that we provided and see if they have any questions. Um, but yeah, that's about all I have.

Thank you for coming to CBC. Can't wait. All right. Any questions on uh treasures report? All right. Uh town planner report.

Well, um I'm leaving uh as everyone knows. Yeah. Sad. Very sad. I want to miss you all very much. Thank you all for uh honestly just being rockstar human beings and uh all your help through the past throughout the past 3 years. I think honestly this trust has a fantastic group, very smart, dedicated people. I cannot wait to see um what you all do. And uh you know, I'm still going to be available to answer um questions. So, you know, feel free to shoot me a text or just shoot me an email, my my personal email. Just reach out to me um if you need it. Um and I will send it to you. Um cuz I know that obviously the first like month and until like if somebody gets onboarded and picks up is it's going to be a little bit wonky. So um again, you know, uh Amber and Natalya are amazing and 10 times smarter than me anyway. So any questions they can probably field. But um but yeah, so just thank you all again. I really appreciate working with you all. It's been really really enjoyable. Um and yeah, so I think you know just preparing to leave has been a little bit crazy, but we were able to um have our sitewalk uh for the Fischerville mil feasibility study a huge turnout which was fantastic. So William is handling close out of the procurement. Um and then you know we're just the Q&A the questions were due um the other day uh and now we're just compiling responses to the questions to send out to the um registered plan holders list then we can you know hopefully we get um some good responses there's a high level of interest as I said so you know really qualified firms um and I think you know we can we can see some see some um good work being done in the near future so um you know that in we do have the the project review team will be uh predominantly staff. It'll be um somebody from Natalya

most likely from planning um William Leah and conservation and the property owner um will be the representatives. I think Evan may or may not be looped in on that. So, you know, we'll just kind of just continue to kind of reach out and stay in touch about the progress of of that. Um William would probably be the best person to talk to um at this point. But yeah, very excited. Um obviously things are moving with um the High Point lot. So we're excited to see that RFP um come you know be published eventually. Uh you know in terms of like applications and anything that's on the horizon for the board. Nothing housing related really. Um you know we're doing like it's really kind of more um construction is starting. So everyone wants us to get out and start you know inspecting the the site so that they can be off to the races. But um nothing. Yeah, nothing really. Uh 277 Providence um would be the most current. Um they the construction's well underway there. I've been working with them. Um I've been fielding some questions about like smaller scale subdivisions and we'll be doing the final construction completeness walkthrough for Woodland Hill. I mean um that's, you know, that's the large subdivision across from um off of Institute and so that that'll be underway. But, um, yeah, other than that, you know, just I'm I'm creating a transition plan. It's almost done for the new person to basically fill them in on everything and everything that's been going on, all things housing and otherwise. So, um, hopefully it'll be an easier transition for them. We obviously have a lot going on in town. So, um, but yeah, I'm happy to, you know, talk about anything specifically that you want, you all want me to focus on in the next 24 hours, um, and close out. Um I did you know I think 17 and 27 will be the biggest thing and just you know just obviously continuing to to monitor that. Um Jean Christy is the design um point

person and we'll be kind of on the tyin bond side. We'll be I she's the primary point of contact outside of Brendan Giblin who's who you all met with um previously. Um, so you know, and then, um, Leslie in Brendan's office has been very helpful and has been doing a lot of the affordability pieces. So, you know, if I need to connect anyone, share contact information or whatever, just let me know and I will make sure to get on it uh by tomorrow. So, thank you. Thank you, Fiona, for uh for everything. And uh yeah, we're going to miss you. Miss you guys, too. Fiona, good luck with everything. It's going to be it's going to be good, but also very sad for Grafton. Yeah. Yeah.

It's been great working with you. Really terrific. Thank you, Kathleen. Likewise. I honestly You taught me so much. Totally by accident, but there you are.

Um, yeah, if you don't, you know, thank you so much. I mean, it's it bordering on on speechless that the the impact that you've had on on Grafton in, you know, three or so short years. Um, but I did have one other question. The only site we didn't talk about was uh 25 Worcester. Um, do we um Amber, do you have all the contact information you need for the players in that or is there anything there? Okay. Just want to make sure there was nothing we needed handed off there, but thank you.

Yeah, we should be good. Andy, I know. I think he's just I think it's just slowgoing with getting that background um you know, work teed up and just getting like LITC and other um financing together. Um he's got to you know, as as we as you mentioned, you know, cobbling together the different resources and going through um I think some of the HUD process uh HUD permitting processes and whatnot. So, you know, I haven't I haven't heard much from him. I think he's been doing, you know, honestly been been doing his thing. Um but yeah, we do have the contact info and hopefully um we'll see we'll hear from him within the next few months. Sounds good.

Yeah, their their council I think I did mention this um a few meetings ago. It's been a while now, but their council did reach out to me to try and field some initial questions about the um filing uh the 40B filing process. So, I mean, you know, in the intram, we have obviously the ZBA, Brian, you know, that ZBA has has staff that can kind of help with that and um you know, represent, you know, Dan is is available to um I think so to help deal those questions. Sounds good. Dan Hill, not Dan Kusher, but Dan Kusher as well.

I'm here. All right. Anything else on uh for Fiona before we move on to minutes? All right. Uh we have some minutes to approve. Uh any corrections or questions, etc. about the minutes? All right. Uh entertain a motion.

Um do you want one omnibus motion or Um, Mr. Chair, I'd move that the trust uh vote to approve the the meeting minutes for February 12th, February 19th, February 23rd, and March 2nd, 2026 as presented. All right, it's a motion and uh I saw a second from Colleen. Uh, can you hear me? Okay, we hear you now. Yeah. All right. Uh, motion and second. Any further discussion? Uh, hearing none. Uh, we will vote by roll call. Uh, Brian I. Uh, Colleen. Hi. Uh, Sarah

I and Dan I. Uh, motion. The minutes are approved and uh, take a motion to adjurnn. So moved. It happened again. Didn't hear the second. I saw it, but Hello. Hello. All right. Uh motion and second. Uh Brian I. Uh Colleen I Sarah I Dan I. All right we are journed.