City Council - workshop

all right good evening everyone thank you all for being here it is 5 31 on tuesday july 7th 2026. i now call to order the city of college play city council workshop madam clerk will you please take roll call Commissioner Green.

Present. I'm so sorry. Council Member Green. Still present. I don't know what I'm thinking. Council Member Cleveland.

Present.

Council Member Lopez.

Present.

Council Member Evans. Present. Council Member Sherman. Present. Council Member Boyle. Present. And Mayor Hernandez. Present. And we are missing Council Member Stecklein at this time. So. Okay.

But we do have a quorum. Yep. Did she let us know she was going to be absent? No. Okay. She's probably on her way then, I bet you. All right. All right. Thank you very much. Will you all please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, and invisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, thank you. It's now time for public comment. Madam Clerk, I understand someone submitted a written comment in advance, and that is included in the packet.

Yes, that's correct.

Okay. Did anyone else submit a written comment or request to speak via telephone or virtually?

None other than what's provided in the packet.

Perfect. Thank you. There is no one in council chambers, so we're going to just, well, no one in council chambers that wants to do a public comment, I assume. My apologies to the staff that are present in Council Chambers. All right, let's move on then. There's two topics for today's workshop on the agenda. First, Madam Clerk, home will provide a brief overview of the new agenda and meetings management software.

Hi, everyone. Thank you. So I prepared a small PowerPoint to give you guys just a quick glimpse of what it's going to be like. We're in the process of still building it, but it's getting closer. It's called Agenda and Meetings Management, and it will be referred to as AMM. this is the overview of the cost savings switching from board docs which is diligent community um in this first column to agenda and meetings management that was provided to you guys at a previous council meeting but i wanted to just bring that up and um to refresh your memory so that you um Just in case you had any questions, the previous implementation date that we had was July 1st. We've had quite a few things occur to where that's been unable to be met, but we are still in the process of working on it. And my hopes now are that we can activate it August 1st. We started the process of creating this portal in early April. CivicPlus agreed to allow us to start work on creating before they invoiced us. I was concerned about the cost of having to pay for both of them at the same time and so I worked out a deal with them and they allowed us to start the build process before and then receive the invoice July 1st and we just received it. So we're in the second phase of implementation And then historical import of the meetings for the council and all advisory groups is set to start occurring again. My goal is August 1st to make it active. So there's a board portal, there's a public facing portal and then there's the area where staff would enter all of their information. This is a quick. overview or just look for you of what it would look like to the public the all of the little um tiles here you would be able to click on them and the minutes would be there the agenda would be there the recordings are there it's all in one little tile and you there's a quick search there's a calendar that if you're looking for a specific date in the um of a meeting uh you can also search by the particular meeting so if you're only wanting council workshop if you're wanting maybe um lodging tax advisory commission you can do the drop down up here and search by commission or council. and then this is a quick view of what it's going to look like on the side where we do all the entry it also is tiles and then you can see when things are published if there's agendas if there's medias it still needs to be built out and we're waiting for the historical import to finish that but it's very user friendly and um i think it's going to be a really really good benefit This is what an agenda in the staff portal and then what it would look like to the public when they click on the tile and open it up. And that's it. That's really all I had. Does anyone have any questions?

Where can I get some of this fruit?

Doesn't that look yummy?

On the table. Councilmember Green, any questions or comments?

I don't have any questions.

Councilmember Cleveland?

No questions. Thank you for your diligent work on this and in getting us a cheaper system.

Councilmember Lopez?

No questions. Thanks for working on this.

Councilmember Evans? No questions and echo the thanks. Councilmember Sherman? No questions, thank you. Councilmember Boyle?

No questions. Thank you for putting all this time and work into this.

Yeah, I'm excited to see the end result of how interactive it is because I gotta say this one's not very user friendly sometimes and I can't tell you how many times I hit a button and I thought I hit the right one and it takes me somewhere else.

thank you for all of that input there is one thing that uh the city of kennewick currently uses this if you guys wanted to if you just wanted to see a little bit more and see how interactive it is um you could go into the tiles for the city of kennewick by accessing their website and the agenda and meetings management um just to see how it's going to look for us once it gets built out a little bit more i'll provide more at the meetings coming up but um

This is a little bit of it. Very nice. Thank you. Thank you. And I hope it continues to go or the future of it goes smoothly for you. All right. Welcome, Council Member Steckline. We are now at the 2025 financial year end review, and Mr. Carlton is going to present on that.

Thank you, Mayor. As you all know, or may not know, but we report to the state each year at the end of May, by the end of May, May 30th is the deadline for reporting to the state. We reported on time and was accepted by the state. So that now I put together this little overview to go over the results from 2025. There's quite a few items on the list. I'll try to go through them quickly so you guys can get back out into the heat. Next slide, please. A little executive summary here showing the total city funds for 2020 to 2025. And a little graph down below just to give you a bit of representation of where we're at financially. There was a, I guess I didn't import the colors. The orange line is revenue. The line below that green is cost. The first blue line is our ending fund balance and the other blue line is the opening fund balance. So you can see that over this five-year period, Our ending fund balance is just, you know, really close to where we have historically been, a bit of an increase over the years. But you can see big changes in 23, 24 for the increased costs and expenditures as we go into major capital projects and, of course, the revenue associated with the grant revenue. But our ending fund balance is staying pretty much the same, slight increase, In our ending fund balance in 2020, it was $14.2 million. And in 2025, it was $16.9 million. In 2021, you can see a big increase in the ending fund balance from $20 million. That was because of COVID and the money that we received. We got $2.6 million from the feds for COVID work. and um that was in two tranches in 21 and 22 and then um we just able to maintain that ending fund balance over the last three years although you recall in discussions about uh the end of the year and having to use our emergency reserves it looks like here you'd ask the question well the fund ending fund balance is the same so why do we have this emergency use of funds Don't forget we operate our utilities operate in separate units from the general fund and the general fund. Again has limited sources of revenue taxes are the main source property tax sales tax tax utility tax. That's the source of funding for current expense, which funds police, fire, parks, some of the streets money. equipment purchases, so they find a lot of stuff. So that has seen a decrease, but yet we've seen an offsetting increase in our utility ending balances. We'll see that more in additional slides. Next slide, please. Just a little overview, won't get into too much detail. You can see our trending in our population really hasn't changed much since 2020, some ups and downs in those years. You can see the inflation rate, you know, peaked in 2022 at 8.81%. And right now in 2025, it ended at 2.55%. So as that comes down, that really helps us out financially. Here's our assessed property value growth in that timeframe. You can see the big jump in 2022 as a result of the inflation and also timing of COVID money and the whole everybody buying homes. That's cooled off a bit and you can see our assessed value in 25 only went up 2.7%, but slightly above inflation. You can see our property tax revenue has stayed pretty static, slight increases year to year, but Remember that we can only have a 1% increase in property tax each year. That's limited by state law. So you can, and over a few years here, you can see it came down a little. We kept, we didn't do increases for a two-year period. Although you do see increases in the property tax, that's related to growth or new development happening and the assessed value going up. But we really, for two years, we didn't take the 1%, but we did take... A percentage, I think it was 25, we took a 2% increase.

Next slide, please.

I know I apologize. This is really hard to see, but we operate about 35 different funds within the city current expense. You can see the 2nd line down from the top on the far right hand. That is where we've used our emergency funds to prop up current expense. And it ends up being a balance of 1.5Million at the end of the year. um you can see the big down in the middle we have fund 360 which shows a huge balance of 5.4 million that's our tiff money that we're going to use to fund uh about four pro four main projects uh majania road um The main line that goes down Maginot Road for the future water tower and the east west road and traffic circle that are going to go across from the high school into the new development. And then the parking lot across the street, which we bought the home and the property in behind. Those are the four projects within the TIF that we started in 2022. Overall, you can see our opening fund balance was $17.8 million, and that came down by $16.9 million. It's explainable. I don't know if you recall from the meeting at the forecast I did about what our position was for the end of the year. We did have some major projects that we paid out in December. It was totaled about a million dollars worth of capital costs we paid in December, but we couldn't submit those grant reimbursements until 2026. So that money is starting to come in now. So that'll supplement and help out the spending that occurred last year. And since we are cash basis, we cannot accrue that revenue once it's billed. So we can only recognize it when we get the money. under accrual based, you'd be able to accrue that when you build the grant revenue, you'd be able to accrue that and not have this big swing because of when you paid for the expenditures. But overall, you know, based on that first slide, I think we're doing pretty good, but a large portion of our capital is in the utilities. The next slide please. Here's the revenue performance for the year kind of split up into major categories. You can see this is actual compared to budget and you can see the the Interfund revenues You'd wonder why such a big variance that is in relation to capital projects that we had anticipated doing a large portion of that was the wastewater treatment plant. It was in at 26Million dollars of which we only spent about. I think it was around 6Million dollars last year. so that represents that big variance there so we we had costs we anticipated 26 million dollars in costs and then we anticipated well not that whole amount of uh grant revenue but a large portion of that and grant revenue coming in to offset those costs So, you'll see that on the expenditures on the next page that it shows a difference. So, and also in the grant loans, that's strictly related to projects that did not move forward or were delayed for various reasons. So, next slide please. This is the exact expenditure performance a lot more categories within expenditures and I realize it's kind of hard to see from your seats, but, you know, you can see that as I mentioned with the revenues, you can see it's about the. Fifth line down, that's capital improvements. We'd anticipated spending $43 million in capital improvements, of which we only spent 12.2. So a big, a positive variance there. But when we do the budget, we have to decide, well, are we gonna do that project next year? If we do, we need to include the expenditure and then any offsetting grants or loans. um and then you can see the different cost breakdowns as we're going down to the bottom we'd anticipated the the total budget at seven 75.9 million dollars and we only spent 35.3 million but you'll see an offsetting uh reduction in the revenues associated with those costs. So if you recall that first graph, which showed us pretty steady between costs and revenues, so it didn't affect the total fund balance very much. It was about $900,000 difference, which is explainable by those two projects that we hadn't received the grant revenue. Next slide, please. And the big problem that we had last year was the ending balance on current expense. So I provided a bit of detail here on what transpired. You can see it's the budget compared to the actual and then has a variance column as well. So you can see in total revenue, we were down about 780,000 in anticipated revenue. A lot of that is related to... Intergovernmental revenues, that's transfers that we make to Interfund. And also Just a 2nd, you can see down in the other revenue, the 1.9Million for the 1.4Million variance. That was the 1Million dollars that we. Well, there's 2 things 1Million dollar loan from wastewater. To prop up and then a 500,000 dollar transfer from the emergency expense fund. Um. Going down into the costs, the variances, public safety, some of that overspent. And I know in the fire department, they had spent quite a bit more than what they anticipated. And that was related to wildland fires. And again, that's another one where we recognize the costs when they're incurred, but we may not get that revenue for six months to a year from either the state or the federal government, depending on what the fire is. it's not huge dollars but you know it's probably two three hundred thousand dollars which you know does have an impact um and then you can see in total our total expenses were about 188 000 um and then the total ending fund balance variance is down 756 000. For current expense and half a 1Million of that is the, that expenditure on the fire departments. Um. Esco project that we didn't get the grant revenues until this year. And some of those, I'm still trying to get so some of those revenues we can't get until the projects complete. So they're holding out about 300,000 on us until the project. And I think it's wrapping up soon. The next slide. Here's some details on the capital projects that we spent in the year. I won't go through every one in detail, but you can see the couple big ones were the Lions Park renovation at 2.3M. which in 2025, we recovered most of that through grants. But overall, as we discussed in the prior meetings that that project was a couple million dollars over over planned expenditures, and it wasn't just expenditures, it was a lack of grant revenue, we lost the 500,000 in the grant was that Um, oh, I'm just blanking on the arts that got pulled from us for half a million dollars. So that definitely was an impact on current expense. And then the other biggest project in there was the wastewater treatment plant upgrades. We spent $5.4 million last year, of which 3.5 million of that was grant and about another, I think there was about another million and a half. So total of about almost 5 million in grants that we received on that project. And the lift station five was a big project that was completed, well, it was completed early this year, but mostly last year. at two million dollars overall we spent uh 15.5 million dollars on capital projects last year and i did put in the column to the right uh the different uh grant programs that are associated with those that's very helpful thank you And they're not all 100% funded. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to go through and do the calculations and get this updated. But if you have questions, just let me know. Uh, the next slide is our, our debt and liabilities. This is an important number that I think will come up more in the future is, you know, we want to fund other projects and how do we fund them? Really? When you look at the on the next slide, I'll get into more detail, but you can see. That overall at the end of the year, we have 33Million dollars in outstanding loans. The next slide will put this in a bit of, will give you a check valve on that number. Can you go back to the prior one? Yeah. And then the bottom component is other, this is the stuff we have to report to the state. Although we are cash basis, they require us to submit and report on our liabilities. So, We keep track of this on a semi annual basis pretty much, but this is the report that goes to the state auditor's office and they'll reconcile all these accounts down in the bottom port portion of that are some additional liabilities that we recognize compensated absences. So that that means. The cost that we incur for people's outstanding vacation and sick time. There's a net pension liability that relates to our left 1 employee. That we have to recognize, and then the leases of a 1M dollars per year of our leases is the total commitment actually is the closing balance of those funds, which extends out over a number of years. So. Most of our leases are, you know, the only ones you have to recognize are longer than a year, but most of ours go around five years. Leases. There's a couple copiers we have leases on. There's our postage machine we have a lease on. And the biggest portion is our leased police vehicles. There's, I believe, 12, I think there's 14 of the police vehicles that are under a six-year rotating lease program. Uh, no, we renewed last year. 6 new ones are on lease.

Oh, okay.

Plus there's yours and a couple others. I think there's 15. okay. I was thinking more of a 6 year rotating basis and they don't all rotate at once. They're on. They're separated by a couple years. We just replaced 6 of them last year in 25 and we have 6 coming up in a couple more years. And the reason we went with the lease is the capital costs of purchasing those wasn't within the capital that we needed under current expense. So leasing was definitely a viable option. Plus the advantages at the end of the lease, we can just return it to the lease company with no commitments or anything and just rotate them through. That program was approved by Council back, I believe, in 2018. Next slide. This puts our debt amount into perspective. This is our debt limit calculation, and it's really split up into a couple components. We have our general obligation debt, which is debt that's incurred by current expense, and that's broken up into voted and non-voted debt. So under the voted one, that means once we go to the citizens to approve last year, we went in 2024, we went to the citizens for the police station bond that was turned down. Currently, there's. about $8.7 million of available voted debt. And that maturity on the current one, that's in 2033, so not too far away we'll get that additional $2.7 million. The other ones, you can see they're listed there, and those are non-voted debt. That means we call it councilmanic debt, where you approve that debt in council. And that's currently at 10.7 million, which gives us $6.4 million of debt. so anytime we look at doing a current expense bond obligation or a loan we look at these debt calculations and make a decision on we recommend a council if it's a good idea to go with that did at that time The bottom half is our utility debt, which is unrelated to the general obligation and the debt. And it's split up into all the utilities. I have it split up by water and wastewater. And you can see that we have a total utility debt of $16.3 million. Um, that means a total city debt of 29.8M. Is allowable based on the calculation and our constitutional debt limit is 114M dollars. So we're way under any constitutional debt limit and currently we're at 2.61% of our assessed value for our utility debt. And we're at 2.5% is the maximum. sorry i don't have the calculation of what that is in the total um but the 2.61 is the amount of debt for the um current utilities well it looks like we have space to go shop uh well don't forget don't don't forget you have to have the cash flow to pay back you got to pay it back Well, the good, the good deal is, is a large portion of our, our debt is in the, like, 1 to 2% interest rate range. So very good rates. But, yes, you do have to have the working capital to pay it back.

Next slide please.

I knew there was a trick to it. This is our reserve requirement goals for the year that are in the financial policy and you can go down there. You can see current expense were just slightly over our our excess amount, which is why we did those transfers at the end of the year that you guys approved to move that, take that loan and move the money from the current expense from the reserve fund, which is the next one in line, which you can see has a zero balance and a target. But of course, council approved, so there's no, we'll have to move back towards getting money and getting that back to the target amount. Um, And some of the other targets are a little in the negative. The street fund is negative. I don't think that's a big concern. We kind of drew that fund down at the end of last year based on some project funding and not getting reimbursements in time. Another one, a couple other street projects that fall into that category, and the street fund funds those projects, although they're not directly in there, but they transfer money out to fund those projects. And you can see in the facility maintenance reserve, we used up some of that ending fund balance. So we'll have to have a plan in the budget cycle for 27 to see if we can increase those targets amounts back to our target. Quantities and then the water fund is slightly under. You can play a bit of games with the different funds, because within each utility, there's three funds. There's an operating fund, there's a capital fund, and then there's a debt fund. So that money can be moved around a little, so I'm not too concerned about any of the utilities. You can see the wastewater fund is substantially over their target, stormwater over their target, and then the debt reserve funds are also over their targets. so overall i think we're in pretty good position um but current expense is a concern i'm currently working on a 2026 forecast for the balance of the year and i'm about about 70 through that so that should come to council in the next month uh next slide Also, during the process of our year end, we did complete the 2024 audit with no findings, no management letter. There was a couple. What they do is they have an exit document that they prepare to show that here's things that aren't worthy of a management letter or a finding, but they think you need to deal with it and get it corrected for the next audit. So there was a few items that were that needed correction. And I won't go into detail because there's not a lot of stuff there, but we've put in processes to fix those issues moving forward. One of the things was, is historically, I'm the one that completed the year-end package. This year, with the transition to Day Cherie, she's done a large portion of this, so I was able to review, as opposed to just preparing it. Because, you know, if you prepare something, you can miss stuff. So it was really good this year that Day Cherie was able to complete a lot of the schedules, and I was able to review and find any corrections needed. So I'm hoping for a pretty clean audit this year.

Is that what you consider the response to the recommendation of strengthening internal controls?

Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. Well, you know, Mike Rizzitello was on the list to do the review, and he did review it, but I'm not sure how much review is technically done. Moving on. Next slide, please. This can be open for discussion. I just put in here some of the challenges and risks moving forward. Definitely inflation is a big impact to us. We seem to be pretty much straight-lined on our slight increases in our revenues. But we're seeing, you know, 3.5, I think it's 3.7% is the latest inflation rate put out there. So we're dealing with... cost inflation that's outstripping our revenue. So additional revenue is definitely a direction we need to have conversations about. And that aligns with labor costs, union agreements, and those costs go up and they don't care if you make more money. Infrastructure replacement needs is another factor, what needs to be replaced. We just started, we had a meeting last week with our on-call engineer, JUB, and started our capital facility plan for 2027 through 2032. So we're working on that. Of course, grant uncertainty is a big question. What grants do we have? What do we want to go for? Revenue volatility is an issue. How are we going to generate more revenue? And then, of course, there's state legislative changes and federal legislative changes that, you know, programs are changed or they don't issue as much grant in a particular year. So definitely challenges that we face every year. Next slide. Looking ahead, the priorities for 2027 and longer, our long-term financial sustainability is definitely something we think about. What our capital investment and funding strategies are. Do we want to take debt? Do we have a grant? If it's grant, how much is the grant? Is it 50%? Is it 80%? And then where do we fund that balance? Through reserves or loans or having to take a bond? So definitely something we're constantly thinking about. Technology improvements. Can we save money? I know John in IT has done a number of improvements last year to reduce our costs and help us out on that level. The one that Carolyn was just talking about is Civic Plus is going to save us $8,000 to $10,000 a year. So every little bit counts. Reserve maintenance is important that goes back to that schedule where we do have some negative variances on our reserve requirements. So we'll work on that. And then, of course, strategic planning, something constantly changing and something we think about and then budget development timeline. Trying to improve the budget process and have it more accurate. I think that's it. Questions I went as fast as I could.

Councilmember Green questions comments. I thought you said 30 minutes.

uh you know most of the questions i think i had that came up you answered as we went along and having seen enough audits i know that there's no such thing as an audit that has no notes so i think that the minim how minimal it was is pretty great to see and knowing that you guys have already addressed that is is excellent so feels like the right kind of progress and i'm glad to see us closing this stuff up and great work and much appreciated thank you councilmember cleveland i don't think i have any questions thank you

Council Member Stecklein? No questions. Thank you so much. Council Member Lopez?

Thank you for your good work. I have a few questions. I wanted to ask about what would be a good example of the intergovernmental revenue sources?

Right well, those are strictly based on reserve balances and what we do every year during the budget cycle. We do an inner fund transfer to show what we need to cover. For example, current expense funds a lot of different areas. They fund the parks. They fund. the streets to a certain degree. So those Interfund transfers and also they help fund ambulance when they need to fund 440. So those are all planned out when they occur. But in individual months, if there's like times where grant revenue wasn't received, but there was big expenditures, we'll look at doing those Interfund transfers when deemed necessary. And then they reverse or we adjust as we get that revenue in.

Perfect does that answer your question? That does. Yeah. Thank you. And then I had a question about the debt ratio. You said it seems pretty good, but yeah, it does.

I don't have a lot of experience with other cities, but just based on our total allowable debt limit, we seem to be okay.

So, if we had, like, I think we have 30Million is 29Million or so. And so you divide that by how many citizens we have and then kind of come up with a ratio. Is that.

I don't know, like, it's more based on that assessed value.

Yeah.

And it's a certain percentage of this assessed value. We know we're in good shape and then we go beyond that when we're looking at debt on different projects. Do we want to a good example is on the community center? We're short by 3 and a half 1M dollars. Um, or about 3 to 3 and a half. And it's been brought up by our legislators that well, why don't you just small dollars? 3Million? Why don't you just take a bond out on it? Well, that's a decision that we haven't come to yet. will come up. So that's a good example. How much room do we need? What happens if there's an emergency where we need to issue a bond for five or six million if you use up three? And then you have to look at the timeline of your existing debt and see, well, when is that debt going to mature? So if it's only a few years out, you can go, yeah, we can risk it for a few years. Or you have to make a decision, no, we can't fund it with that. We don't want to put the city in jeopardy.

Perfect. And then on slide six, I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, the revenue performance, I think the favorable, unfavorable, it might be backwards.

Oh, is it? I don't know. Unless I'm doing math wrong. Is it correct? Well, actually, no, it should be. It should be. It's backwards. Good catch. Okay.

That's all.

Good stuff. Those are positive variances. But negative in the fact we didn't get the revenue.

That's how I was seeing it. I made it, we made it work somehow, right? What do you want?

Councilmember Evans. Quick question for you, kind of in the very broad sense of, you know, long-term financial stability. Just looking at the executive summary and, you know, in 2025, just like you said, expenses outpaced revenue, more cash went out than cash came in. And then looking even the year before in 2024, it was the same story, right? expenses outpaced revenue, more cash went out than cash came in. So I'm kind of curious, I know adjustments were made for 2026 in our current year. Will 2026 turn that corner? Or will we be looking at kind of another year of where more cash went out than cash came in? Or I don't know if I'm saying this question pointedly enough, but...

No, I get you. The forecast will tell a lot when I'm done the forecast. In budget, it showed that we had a slight increase in 2026 of ending fund balance. A lot of that was in current expense, so we're anticipating a bit of improvement. But of course, when we do 2026, that's back in September, October of last year, so you really don't know exactly how everything is going to map out. so the forecast will really help identify that so i'm not sure at this point i do have numbers but i don't want to divulge anything at this point well plus being cash basis sometimes timing is everything oh yeah definitely affects that end of the year yeah yeah and i know the cash basis can timing is everything you know the the well especially in the last quarter yeah that you can't if you don't submit your grant reimbursements by the beginning of november you're not going to get them that year you have to wait till the next year so you've got big projects with big bills uh it can be a problem it's a temporary problem but uh looking at that snapshot at the end of the year can look bad Thank you.

Yeah, it does. No, thank you. And I did have 1 more question under expenditure performance. I was curious just kind of an example of what goes in miscellaneous.

Looks like there was a, yeah, that was the Interfund loan. That took place, because this is just this is total for the entire city, not broken up by fund. So there was the. That sorry. Oh, the loan is down in there. Is that the 1? Sorry? What line item were you looking at?

It's that very, very top 1. so under the expenditure performance, I think it's 7 of 16 on the PDF and it's that very top line item.

Yeah. The miscellaneous.

Yeah.

Correct.

Let's go back to. Yeah, I sorry, I don't have it off the top of my head. I'd have to research a little and figure out what that dollar amount is.

Difference, yeah, so now I'll follow up at the very top, the very top miscellaneous because there's a big, there's a difference of 335,000. Yeah, that's actual.

And that's really the main reason I was asking is just because the, the variance.

I'll follow up with you on that.

then my my last question you answered thank you i was going to ask what you guys did for the internal controls comment so thank you for addressing that okay thank you council member sherman no question thanks brian council member boyle no question thank you all right any other questions before we let him off the hot scene all right thank you so much brian we really appreciate that okay thank you thank you all right So we are going to be going into executive session next. Let's see. We're going to adjourn to executive session per RCW 42.30.11018 to evaluate the performance of a public employee. We will return at let's see, I'm going to give us 20 minutes 636. And there will be no action taken.

Thank you. If you can please actually extend it to 7 o'clock.

Let's go 7 o'clock. Let's make it even 7.

Okay, we'll return at 7.

Thank you.

Yeah.

All right, then it is seven o'clock. And let's see. We are out of executive session, we had discussion, no decisions were made. I call I guess call to order back the regular workshop meeting at 7pm. And we are down to closing items. Is there any other business for good of the order from any council member or staff? All right, hearing none, if there is nothing more, I will conclude the workshop at 7 o'clock, 7.01 p.m. Thank you, everybody.

Thank you.