El Dorado Solid Waste Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

It's on the highway. Yeah.

Let me get some just do some housekeeping here. I'm trying this new caption system. We have a new caption system that's required by the county, so we have to just put our captions on during the recording, see if it's working. It's not working. Funny. It's not okay. I'm gonna plug in South Lake Tahoe.

Okay. And we're ready call this order.

One sec. Sorry. I just wanna make sure it says, sounds like Todd is plugged in. I promoted them to panelists, but it just takes a minute. Captions look good.

Hi, Catherine. Okay. You're promoted to panelist now. I think that's it. Should have some other people filtering in.

Okay. Sorry. The captions are on. Everyone's here. And then sorry. So I'm sorry. Stand by. I just had an issue. I don't know. Katie was gonna do remote. She's not feeling well, and I was just trying to find her. We can we she can, technically, I think, under the Brown Act, be a voting member from home. We never do this that much, but she's sick in that case, so she can be a voting member. But we have a quorum, so let's just go, and I'll try to figure it out as we can. So, yeah, call to work.

Okay. I'd call the war meeting order 10:03.

K.

Do you have a roll call, please?

Yes. So me share the screen just because we're gonna be working with this agenda a lot. Okay. Do you want me to do it? Yes, please. Okay.

I'm still learning how

That's okay. Oh, forgive me. So Doug Venable. Here or not? Here. Here. Okay. Don. Rosa. Dixon? Here. Katie? Not here, but might show up later. Sarah? Sarah, inform me that she's not.

Sarah, make a second name. Dina?

Here.

Mike? Usually shows up if you're in the slate. Yeah. Kara? Kara. Kara. Sorry. Forget Is

it okay?

Chris? Here. Catherine? It says connecting to audio. Let me see if Katherine, it says you're not connected to audio. I'm sorry. You can do a thumbs up if you're here.

I'd try to

She has the camera on.

She's looks like she's rejoining. And this is really, like, slow today. Sorry. Okay. Surprised to say, Catherine is here, though we're just having a small.

You have the official?

And then d two is vacant. So we do have a quorum. This is six of them which are here.

Right. K. Very good. Thanks, Tim, and help me out if I stumble on.

It's okay. You're not you're gonna do just fine. Dixon has been, you know, a dictator on this thing for twenty years. So, you know, it's a five years. Okay. Remote meeting approvals. Again, let me try to get in get into the see if I can get Katie in here. Sorry. This is just super slow.

I'm just going on here.

I have to send you. I

have Yeah. Standby, everyone on Zoom. I'm trying to figure it out for you. Okay. So I'm gonna promote Catherine to panelist, and I see Katie finally. I'm gonna promote Katie to panelist. K. Stand by, guys. Sorry. Okay. Catherine, you're muted. Oh, there you are. Okay. I see you. Hey. And then, Katie, I promoted you to panelist. Okay? You are also a panelist. Catherine, are you here? I know. Dumb question.

But Yes. Here.

I'm here too, Tim.

Okay. Katie's here. Okay. Great. Thanks, Katie. So remote meeting approvals, we rarely do this because, but Katie has informed me that earlier today that she was not feeling well. Mhmm. I reviewed the Brown Act. And as long as the EDSWAC committee approves, then she can participate in the meeting as a voting member.

You have to do a motion to approve that?

I think it's just a roll call vote. You don't have to motion it. You just roll call it. So let's roll call it. Katie, we're just gonna do the due diligence and roll call it. Okay. So let me go back up to the okay. Doug? Here? Yes, sir. Yeah. You're now.

Oh, yeah. No. I'm sorry. Sorry.

It's alright. Yes. This is Alright. Is Do I have to take Dawn?

Yes.

Dixon? Yes. Katie?

Yes. Sorry.

Okay. That's alright. Sarah's not here. Dina?

Yes.

Mike? Cara? No. That's great. Yeah. Chris? Yes. Catherine?

Yes.

Okay. Cool. Katie, you're in. Alright. Thank you. Sorry. You're not feeling well. Okay. Back to okay. The pledge of allegiance to the flag. Sweet. Okay. Let's do it.

K.

One two three. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Right? Thank you.

Oh, this is going swimmingly.

Yeah. Okay. Open forum. Open forum on this opportunity for members of the public for address matters not on the meeting agenda. Do have any members of the public here? We do not. I am gonna check our participant logs. So what we do is we just go through all the motions. So let's see. Catherine, do you have any members of the public up in Southlake? No. Okay. Do any members of the we got Jeff, Warren, Mark Moss, and Christina. Do you guys have anything you'd like to say get off your chest before the meeting starts? No? Going once? Okay. Alright. So there's nobody here. We're good to go.

Okay. That's done. So the adoption of the agenda and the approval of the consent calendar. So, you might notice this looks different because we changed it, which we'll get to in a minute on the discussion items. But nonetheless, the waste recycling tonnage reports and the RDRS reports have moved to the consent.

What we do, Doug, just for everyone's reference, is we generally have this trip where we adopt the agenda today and then approve the consent calendar in one motion. It's kind of our it's always our first big motion. Now if anybody wants to pull an item from the consent calendar, you can request to do that and discuss it. The idea is that if you review this and you don't see any issues, there's just one simple action, and you knock it all out. So does anybody wanna pull any items from the consent calendar?

I just had a comment to make on an item there, so I don't think it needs to be pulled. What was interesting is I was looking at for an Alberta disposal, kind of step in the 30% range in terms of our diversion. And then I was looking at STR, and they are, like, 81, 25%, and they tend to have this huge swings.

Yep.

And one of the things that I just found interesting is the differences in basically who they're serving. So STR is 50% self haul. So these are people who used to sort, and now they are they're still they're self hauling, so they're continuing what they did. 25% commercial and 25% residential, whereas elder provider disposal has 13% self haul. So very small amount and then 38% commercial and 49% residential.

And it just seemed that maybe one of those difficult groups to get is the residential. And elder water disposal has a larger residential group. It's half of who is having their material Mhmm. So I just thought, you know, in terms of I mean, I just well, I've never seen that before, but it I think it makes a difference in what you're doing, and it's who is bringing the material in. So don't need to pull it, but I just wanted to make that comment on it.

Sure. Awesome. Okay. If no one else wants to pull the agenda item or the consent calendar, we can do a motion if someone would

like to. We have a motion to adopt the agenda and approve the consent calendar.

Okay. Let's go through the agenda. Okay. Okay. This is your nay. Doug? Hi. Don? Hi. Dixon? Yeah. Katie? Yes. Sarah's not here. Dina?

Yes.

Mike? Not here.

Tara?

Yes. Tara. Yes. I'm both.

Chris? Yes. Catherine. Yes. Alright. The motion passes. Sweet. Okay. Let's keep going. Okay. So now we're into our discussion items. Sorry. That clicked off. So, this is kinda where we get in the meeting and everything. So I'm gonna just what I do is I just generally bring up each item, and we can talk about it.

And, you know, some things need to be approved, adopted, received, filed. Kinda just depends on the endpoint. This is a receive and file situation, so we're just making sure that you guys know know the bylaws. We got them passed. So I we stewarded them through. County council reviewed them. Everything looked good. But just to summarize the changes, we moved to quarterly meetings. Gave us meeting date flexibility. So we're still meeting on Mondays, but we can still meet we can meet on different times, not, like, the you know, specifically on certain times.

And we have we're up to date with the Brown Act, which is really cool, and we let go of the alternates. Thank you for your service. It was a lot of work for me to constantly change them. So now it's just a voting committee. So, it's a lot easier to, switch that around, less work on our end, and, clarified the quorum rules and clarified the membership. So and then we have a new chair that was associated with that, but we got a new chair. So it's kind of a new start, red swag. So does everyone anybody have any questions about the past bylaws? What's in them?

I have questions. Only the first page that I can see.

What?

Yeah. I it didn't show up.

Oh.

But so if I I didn't have any problems with them. I'd seen it before. I just didn't see it here.

Interesting. Alright. Well

So maybe just we can send it out.

Yeah. If you ever wanna look at this and dive into it, let me know.

No problem.

Yeah. And I I did see the bylaws. I didn't I thought I opened a lot. Maybe I didn't know

about Yeah. The attachments. Yeah.

I did see the attachment to the the board meeting, to the board supervisor's meeting. They had the the new bylaws. Okay.

Yeah. If you're gonna and if you know, you can with the board meeting, you can read the review and the red lines and stuff so you can so you can always reference this document about exactly what changed. But I'll send that out to everybody just to be in the same

Thank you, Tim, for ushering that through. Appreciate that.

Yeah.

It was something And, Tim, can we have the bylaws also on our on our web page?

Yeah.

So go ahead and update that.

Yes. I'll take care of that. Sorry. Our web page is very archaic and slow, so I need to update it. And I'm just gonna kinda just trim trim it down so it points to registrar more mostly and just gives basic information. Alright. Okay. So that's a receiving file. We don't have to have a motion for receiving file. It's simply if we don't take any action, it's automatically received.

That was 260617. Now moving on to 260601. Environmental management department recommending the committee receive and file the 02/2026 Eldorado disposal annual strategic plan.

Any discussion on this item?

This is a Chris item. So he's required by, you know, franchise agreement to submit a strategic plan in March to the county. We share with Vetswack. Any comments, Chris? You can talk about it if you want to, summarize what's going on.

Yeah. I would say, a mix of the same and a couple of as far as the new things is really probably just continued focus on the compost program expansion. Started in '24, increased in '25. I think the goal this year is to really continue to to increase our efforts in that program. I mean, it truly is a full it's a it's a full circle system for our residents.

So more green waste you get, the more compost we bring back into the community, which is great. And then just just continuing to to try to find solutions for for hazardous materials. I think there's more of them or just maybe more of them being identified the right way than were in prior years. So continuing our efforts to try to get that stuff out of the trash and process accordingly, whether that's accepting materials we haven't in the past or finding solutions, you know, specifically for electronic products. Those are the big ones.

And then there's there's some advance advancements in, kinda in cab technology and artificial intelligence that'll help or help us with, communicating with customers as well when we do identify contamination. So we had explored with some of that in the past, but, some of the newer stuff that we started piloting last year, and then we'll continue to to roll out into our to our fleet this year. Obviously, you know, pretty significant cost associated with that technology, but putting that into our fleet just gives us another touch point, for customers and gives us a a physical picture to be able to provide them, when we do when we are communicating and doing that thing. So those those, I would say, are the biggies.

And read my cat very carefully. I think so. Have a few comments. One, just we're looking at in terms of with EdSquack, trying to modify some things as far as what might we do to increase our diversion. So just for future doing this next time, maybe to quantify what you would expect with some of the things that you do, and I think that might be helpful.

And there was on page seven mentioned provide about schools and the botanics, and I know there's the county contract. But if you've considered providing schools with some of the resources so that they could be doing that sorting lunches, etcetera, maybe in concert with the county, I've seen that be highly effective in the first schools. You gotta find someone who wants to make it work, but maybe it can work very well, and you're educating all those kids, which is good. Then I had a question on page eight. This was on the C and D.

So this is sort of more of that personal. So I understand a project of a certain size, they're at the they need to do things with C and D. But his neighborhood, they didn't need outreach. For example, we had our driveway done. There's, like, all of this stuff that's kind of off the side that's asphalt. It would be C and D. It's kinda like, you know, as a homeowner, that I would bring that in for C and D, for example. So I just I hadn't seen that. I didn't know about that, but it would seem that certain groups are required with certain sizes. But other people who got C D at home, you may as well, you know, bring that C and D in.

That you might I mean, it may not be a huge amount, but just that it seems like it makes sense that there are others who might have CMD who could be willing to sort and bring in.

So I I still have

it there. You know, every time I take the cans down Broadway, we think, gee, I wonder. Yeah.

I saw it in a lot

of CMD myself. Mhmm. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll, answer a couple of things, Katherine. On the schools front, I I would agree that we think that there's a really good opportunity there. I would say we have worked alongside with the county. As far as providing resources and things that can actually go into school, there's kind of this dual partnership, right, that has to work there. The school has to be willing to allow us to come in and do that.

We

can't just force ourselves. And and, frankly, we just haven't maybe got there yet. I think sometimes the schools, change is hard, and so it's hard for the schools too. And and and imagine we're happy to come in and leave an assembly or educate a maintenance staff, but the maintenance staff at the school has to be bought in to kinda we can't be there every day. Right. Right? So what the county did in working with Breathe was kinda help launch. Yeah. We're hoping that this year, we can essentially take sort of that program. You know, depending on the CSD, we're we're looking at doing some of this in Eldorado Hills.

And Eldorado Hills has some funding for potentially materials. And so it's really just kinda trying to figure out what's important to the school and then how do we how do we align. Do they want us to roll our curbside cans into the bacteria? Maybe not. Maybe they do. You know? Yeah. Which is we would love to do that. The education's right on the lid and things like that, but staff might say, no. Yeah. That doesn't meet our standards. You know?

So It's a matter of offering it to say we would provide this for you so that's not something where some they're saying, well, we do it, but we don't have them, you know, the lids and the and the tables and that kind of thing.

Yeah.

So just to say, you know, if you want to do this, we can provide those materials for you.

Yeah.

It does.

It just takes that barrier.

Yeah. That's

what we

We've done a lot

of that.

Yeah. The option, you know, we can come in and walk you, or if you just want the supplies, we can come up with the supplies. Yeah. We I mean, we received a huge push down from a lot of the schools. But I will say, you know, the brief is always still an option for the school. So if they say, hey. We really do sooner help. They can contract them separately, hire them separately to do it. I think what's unique this year, what's just starting to happen, though, is Power Cycle is finally reaching out to the schools. And I think the pressure from Power Cycle will make a big difference in us moving forward with progress within the schools.

The ones that have been the most resistant now are kinda even though they drag their teeth then, now they're kinda like, oh, okay. I guess they have Yeah. To do Yeah. You know? And then I think one of the things too is a lot of them were applying for waivers. The And only waivers that Power Cycle offers is space waivers or de minimis, which we know none of them have de minimis. But, they would apply for the space waivers, but then their issues were a whole other things, not space. Yeah. So then they got denied recently at the end of last year. So I think now the ones that are getting the denials are kinda like, okay.

You you have the appropriate doctors, and they they've done it. And then you have the ones who are like, oh, the other schools around me are doing this, so maybe I could too. Yeah. I think you're looking at that next group.

Yeah. I agree. And I would say if there was a there was two things in '26 or really, I would say even moving forward, being at public events and just being able to answer the general thought about this while I was driving to work. Those things are super helpful because, generally, people aren't gonna pick up the phone, the college just ask a random question, and to schools. I think schools because you're cap you're capturing a large population, and then it, you know, facilitates once they go home.

So agree with that. On the C and D front, great question. There's kind of a, yes, like, the large contractor version of that, and then there's the smaller home projects. Most of the time when people call us and ask for a dumpster or something of that nature, we always kind of walk down the list of what's the project, what are you doing, and do some initial education, kinda on the phone and encourage the CND. The other component of that is when people show up to the transfer station, most of the time, our gate clerk will come out.

They'll actually look, and they'll say, hey. You have some CND material in here, and can get rid of that over here. To some extent, we're at the mercy of the customer. So sometimes the customer says, nope. Don't wanna do that. Just get me to one place, and I wanna get rid of it all. But we are we are constantly kinda telling people at the gatehouse, you've got various stuff in here that you can sort and separate, and potentially reduce the cost of your your, you know, transaction. Sometimes that's successful. Sometimes that's no. Thank you.

Yeah. I'll do

it all. Put it all in

the trash.

Yeah. I know. It's just letting people know that

For sure. Yeah.

And and they gave people I've been there a number of times with different things. Some of it just is like, well, let's see how these goes. And they have. Yeah. They have really done a great job. I mean, I've been very impressed with them. They're very helpful. Know? Really good education at that level.

Yeah. I would know off the top of your head how much savings there is for C and D versus general trash.

There's not there's not a different, charge for C and D as there is for trash. A lot of that is because, we still have still have to process it, so it gets transported. Right. I thought that's why

I thought you said that there was a price break. But if there's not, and maybe the tenants can be forceful to say, hey. Now that stuff should go over here and, you know, always give me option. Yeah. And like you said, and or you

could maybe be a little

bit more direct. That needs to go over there, and the rest of the trash goes over here. It's so intermingled, you know, that's maybe not very

much a success. Yeah. Well, that I

think that it's being a little bit more assertive. Yeah. We're gonna

help over. Yeah. Yeah.

The ordinance is gonna we'll talk about that. The future of the ordinance is gonna change that. Yeah. So the local ordinance. It seems lighter in some ways, like, less restrictive, but it actually is more restrictive. We'll talk about that.

And there is a difference in the the terminology. We can get caught up in terminology. There's the C and D waste, which is the whole list of things that make up C and D. And then there's the C and D ordinance, which is tied to the green the green construction. And that's the one where if you're required to have a permit, then that kicks you into it.

And that that's supposed to be tracking to be able to match up to ensure that each one of those permittees is is demonstrating and documenting that they they fall, and they've done with at least 65%. Yeah. So those are two different things that we're talking about with Sue and Dean. Now when you're talking about somebody in their home, like, generating asphalt or something, if it's I guess I'm trying to think through the scenario. If it's being done if it's a big enough job, the contractor's gonna do it, then if he if he falls under the assumed ordinance, then it'll be covered under that. If it's just something that they've got a few pieces of of of pallet or asphalt or something, they'd probably I wouldn't see them calling for a special. Yeah.

They were going there north. Right? Yeah. It's just no. It's like, okay. Clean up my property. Yeah. It it just it just kind of a question because we're coming to see a deeper. Yeah.

And then with correct me if I'm wrong. Sometimes I can use on this, but and with the tour that we had last November when I was talking with somebody there. I'm trying to remember. I thought it said don't put construction or wood waste in your trash container. And then I also thought it said don't put it in your green waste because the green waste for what they told me at the at the MERF tour that time when all of that stuff was being put into the the dumpster to take it to landfill cover. Yeah. That was all wood. So where does it go if it doesn't go in the in the garbage containers, doesn't go in the green waste? Where does wood go?

Yeah. So if you're if you're throwing away two by fours, they shouldn't go in your organics, and, technically, they shouldn't go in your trash. Where do we see it most? In the trash. Mhmm. For sure. But your mixed organic material that's gonna come go and make compost can't have two by fours, fence boards. Can't have that stuff in it. What should you do? You should do what Catherine does, which is bring it to us, and then we had to put it, yeah, had to put it specifically. But to your point, Don, I mean, if you have one fence board that fell off and cut it up, are you gonna bring one fence board to me? Probably not. No. You'd probably just toss it in the trash. But when you're replacing a whole length of fence, you that should be brought to us. We don't have a C and D curbside container.

Of course, it's different. You'd never get that into one container. You have one container.

So you don't have to make a

little bit of arrangement, get rid of it. Or or get get rid of it over a year or a year and a half where you're gonna be able to put it in one of those con well, you can't put it in one of those containers, so you're have to

Yeah.

Throw it in your fireplace or something.

Yeah. I mean yeah.

The options are self hauled up.

Yeah. That's

Like many like like many things. Right? Yeah. You self haul electronically. Yeah. That company should self haul. Who? Sandy. You need

to think about it. Who generally is gonna do go ahead and pay for self haul when you're paying for residential pickup?

Not keeping the state sale.

They have the community It should be.

They have community cleanup days.

You just take it for a

community cleanup day, take it to

your local community. And they also have the coupons to come in the mail. Yeah. And they do do a self haul I mean, a curbside. I believe they do a CB curbside or some kind of general place.

Yeah. We do, like, a a bulk voice pickup, and then there's also depending on where you live, there's some work vouchers. You get a Voucher. Pretty great transaction and bring it in that way.

As soon as you stack it up on your property, it could be a violation with now the wildfire mitigation. Storage departments.

And cc and others.

And you're in the works.

Yeah. Definitely not a one size fits all.

But I think to Chris' point, it shouldn't go in the trash can, and you may not have to bring a board. But if you got a truck full, that's when you bring it in, because you're gonna pay for it either in the can at the KERT, or you're gonna pay for it at the MRF. So we we just encourage to bring it in.

Yeah. But now most of the time when we look on next door, there's all of them.

Pretty large. Yeah. I mean, these

guys are making a killer.

That's that's that's something we encourage, and that's one of the reasons we changed to things like PPD was if you can divert the material by not even entering the waste stream by just reusing it Mhmm. Then that effectively draws down PPD. Still the same endpoint, the the less stuff in the. So we love when people have a secondary market for building materials. Right? That works great.

Here are a few comments on the strategic report. I'm encouraged from your textiles. It looks like that was a nice bump. Yeah. The solar and the vape pen recycling, that's that was encouraging. I did see where it looks like you've got a receiver for solar panels, but in and the first part, it said we'll be charged accordingly. So just to be clear, if I remove my solar panels in, am I gonna be charged? Or

Yeah. Yeah. So there is a charge for solar panels, and there is a charge for vape pens Alright. Specifically related to there's a disposal cost to us that's Yeah. Fairly significant. And, you know, generally, if I'm taking a solar panel, it's a large product, you know, kind of thing. So there there is a charge for that. Shoot. I wanna say, I know we charge per pound on vape pens and per per panel for solar panels. So And that was just kind of out of frankly, we were getting solar panels, and then they were left in our hand, and we didn't know what to do with them. You know? So And think a

little bit lower. I apologize. Reese's will be charged accordingly, and I think there's a drop off. There was a maybe a the way I read it, it is it meant that there's a a drop off at the MERF, and it felt like it was free there. So there was a I was a little confused. I wanted to make sure it's clear, and maybe I didn't read it correctly.

Got it. Yeah. So it's in the where we're gonna have you drop off your solar panels is kind of in our larger recycling area. That would be identified when you come through the scale. We would say, hey. You've got all cardboard. No problem.

There's a solar panel. That'll be whatever the charge is. Yeah. Very good. Difficult waste streams all over California to

deal with, so we're glad we

have some solutions. For sure. A lot of a lot of facilities in California still cannot accept vape pens. So

Yeah.

Is it do you we charge per panel, or

do have to weigh them or deliver? Per panel. Yeah.

And then on the like, with the vape pens, gosh, there's so many smoke shops around. Mhmm. Are they are they a collection point?

It's a good question. Because I think that's why we end up with a lot of them.

Yeah. That that's what would be nice. This looks like, you know, if I go to buy a TV at Best Buy,

they're feeling like a collection point too. You know? Yeah. The problem I think we've seen with with vape pens specifically and what's what's a problem for secondary vendors is when you have an embedded battery Yes. Someone's gotta you gotta take the thing apart. Yeah. And then if the nicotine or whatever fluid it's in the thing.

Mhmm. Right? So we can't, like, dump it out or what have you. So there's there's this weird I had I had a gentleman call me that was interested in starting a business disassembling these things. Kind of a fascinating conversation because he was so enthusiastic and felt like he could make the margins work, but then we got in the weeds about what he was actually dealing with. And he became apprehensive. You know? He didn't realize that he'd potentially feel into controlled substances, that he'd be dealing with exposure potential to controlled substances. Right. Understood.

You know? And nicotine, which is exposed too much. That's not fun. You know, we definitely the separation of the batteries and the controlled substances is a serious problem. That's like a that's a kind of an engineering problem. So, I mean, it it's it's like a rechargeable toothbrush in a sense. It's got an it's got an internal battery. Yep. I mean But then it's also Because you add a canister. It's a substance. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, like, already really hard, and then you add a controlled substance on it. So it's like something you can just put, like, in a box.

Right. So the way that we handle the way that we'll we'll we'll take your vapes, They're containerized in a 55 gallon, you know, fireproof drum, and then our vendor will come and pick up said drum. Yeah. 55 gallon drum of it depends on whatever I'm thinking that

they have, like, the program that the state has

for thermostats.

They have mercury in them.

You know? Obviously, mercury is the substance that's dangerous. You know, they give you a little bucket and a little bag. Right? I mean, the thing is there's no battery in there. Right? So there's nothing that's combustible, let's say. But they give you a bag. You put it in there. You zip it. You put it in a bucket, and when the bucket gets full, you ship it back to somebody different because it doesn't have batteries. The state has been extremely apprehensive about creating subsidized programs for tobacco usage. Yeah. You know, they don't they don't really like the optics of going, hey. Let's take the load off these nicotine users' plates.

That's not that's never been their strategy. And, you know, I've talked to state officials about it, and they're just like,

yeah, that's that's not

they recognize the fire danger. They do recognize the fire danger. But But there's a there's a fee. Isn't isn't there

a fee? Are they maybe they're not a fee.

I've seen emails from the state about collect so, like, we like, for example,

at my business, we sell tools

Mhmm. And battery, but we don't sell anything that has integrated battery. And there's a certain fee the state, I think, charges, that we have we we would have to collect and then process it and send it to the state.

Is it disintegrated?

Or it's

like yeah. It's integrated. Yeah. Yeah.

So the state already charges a dollar, I think, per battery just like they charge for tires. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know? But with the integrated battery, the fee has to get sent and went to the state. Whereas if it's just like a 12 volt battery,

I don't think think it's lost, like,

a CRV. So wouldn't I

mean, couldn't there couldn't there be something there? So will

they charge a fee for? Deals needed? I I floated the idea. We did we were working on it. Long story. We're working on tobacco ordinance that was floating around recently, and I I thought I kinda came up with the idea that I was like, oh, why don't we just make them part of the permit except the pens? But it's complicated because not all tobacco shops sell vape pens, and then that still puts the burden on the cost of them. And if they don't have a way to dispose of it, then it gets very financially onerous and stuff. So it's definitely progress just EDD being able to take. That's that's a huge step in the right direction.

We're kinda now seeing people actually drop them off, and we're hoping to see less corresponding truck fires and stuff like that. But, yeah, they're kinda also people also just hoard them. You know, they, like, build up and stuff, and a lot of people throw them in the trash still. So it's just gonna be one of those long term problems that we try to splice out. But I just I don't see a lot of, you know, normally tires and batteries and stuff. I see, you know, I see the state trying to fund programs to, like, subsidize these things to help with disposal. I don't see it at the time.

They've got the single use fake pens versus the ones that don't have the integrated Yeah. Material or whatever it is in there. And so are the ones that don't have the the tobacco's material, are they considered as electronic waste since they haven't had anything in there?

We have to process them the same simply because, hopefully, it doesn't have anything in there. We we we don't. We just

never know. You know? Somehow a

cartridge, removable cartridge, and other ones are integrated in

the thing itself. Even, like, your single use. But you don't know until Right. My single use was for thirty seconds, and then I was like, I made a bad decision. Yeah. And, you

know, the whole and things are cool. Yeah.

It gets back into that thing too with DTSC where they're like DTSC's regulatory regime, Department of Toxic Substances Control, basically, can say at any time, prove this isn't hazardous. They don't have to, like, prove it's hazardous. They make you prove it's not hazardous. It's kinda like the IRS. Well, prove you paid your tax. So it's like, you know, they don't care. Like, if if they think if they don't put it on you to make it and see if it's hazardous and if they think it's and then Yeah.

You have to prove it in that part.

Yeah. So so Chris could go, hey. These vape pens don't have anything in it, and they could be like, great. That's an assumption that you're making. Destroy them all and then do thousands and thousands of dollars of chemical testing and prove it. And if you're wrong, then Mhmm. Destroy. Yeah. So You have to be very careful about hazardous materials, especially that's why these waste streams didn't have solution. If it was if you could just take solar panels and throw them in a grinder, it'd be certainly a lot easier. Yeah. No one would have these problems. These are these are really problems created by state bureaucracy and state legislature.

I'm just

I'm I'm excited that we have an option for them now. Yeah. Sounds like was

One problem to solve. Problem. And, you know, there's that caution where caution is warranted, but sometimes we do get to the point of where there's just no solution. Like, we hit we hit the ball of tree lumber a couple years ago. It's just like you just can't fit in it. It's like, this is this is super problematic.

The other thing I'm curious with your AI. So they that's real time to the driver. If they see something, if it it it detects something that, hey. That's not supposed to go on the waste stream.

It's more so detecting the models built to snap photos of anything kind of it's not picking up items. It's picking up, like, quantity. So, like, say, our guy lifts the flips the lids open because he's gotta go dump at the back of the truck. As he's bringing the dumpster up, depending on how much volume's in the container, it'll take a picture. But, generally, where you find a contaminated dumpster, find an overloaded dumpster because the things are, you know, large or what have you.

So say we go to pick up a dumpster and there's a couch in there, it'll likely the lens won't be closed, and the couch doesn't fit. So it'll snap a photo, and then we go, oh, k. Right? Or we're bringing the the rear load dumpster up to the back of the truck, and he goes to tip it. We're like, wow. That's a bunch of garden notes that's in there. Right? And so the camera will cap capture the picture. We can then look at it. Right?

I mean, we're not capturing every dumpster every day. Not yet, at least. But, with the quantity that we are capturing, when we see contaminants, it's much I mean, you know, if we do if a commercial route does a 100 containers a day, then we have 10 of those a day for five days a week. You know, capturing some is better than that. So good question.

Yeah. And we're we're exploring some stuff eventually as well. That'll do the same thing. So rolled it out commercially, or rolled it out, piloting it residentially too. So, you know, essentially, when the the arm of the truck goes out, it'll capture a photo or of that nature. Nothing in the hopper yet, I would say.

I'm seeing that. Hopefully you know. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Alright. Catherine and Katie up in Southlake, do you guys have any comments on Aldara disposal strategic plan?

Nope. Nope?

None from me either. K.

Okay. Well, I have my.

Okay. Let's let's keep it moving.

I just wanted to make sure that everybody else had theirs first. That was on ten to

oh, crap. Okay.

We'll keep it. What

are the key things that I think we need to and these are kind of suggestions, as we're going forward. One thing that that's completely not covered in here, and it's probably the end all, be all most important parameter that we have to measure our progress and whether or not we'll 75% is the the the percent growth recovery. And this doesn't address that at all as far as tracking it to show the trending where we learn something from the trending and give us any confidence without seeing major improvements rather than falling behind previous diversion numbers and then maybe making up a little bit but still never falling back to where we might have been in the past. This doesn't address that at all. And that's a key component in a in a strategic plan is that we have some sort of planning process with some basic planning that goes into the formal going forward.

So that's one thing that we need to kinda include in here. Since we have so many new people, in the very beginning, when we first in 2014 when you guys put out your your I guess it would be your proposal once you you were guaranteed that we weren't gonna go outside, but we did. We went ahead and came up with a plan on how we were gonna meet the 75%, and that included the modifications to the MRF and and what we were gonna accomplish in order to achieve the 75%. And even as far back as that period of time, the fact that no one else kind of in in the industry, that was kind of an unusual way for such a major undertaking to have a four page letter as the as the proposal rather than, you know, the engineering studies and some very basic things. That that didn't even have any sort of projection of what you were anticipating that this this endeavor was going to accomplish other than the fact that we knew at the time that we had to increase based on the numbers we were we were kind of following and what we had as as our percent diversion at the time was that we were gonna need to go another 7% in order to hit 75 diversion.

And the way your proposal was, it didn't say, and we are gonna be able to increase our diversion of the MERF by x number of of of a percentage to push us towards that. We never had that. Now in October 2025, we have now finished the MRF. So now this is all bets are off as far as what might happen. There should have been if there isn't, and what we do need now is we need to have you guys need to establish, in my mind, the baseline.

The MRF is completed. We have our history of what the MERF percent recovery is. And just on the the five year review that we did, when I looked at the data, in 2020, we were at you guys were at 36.8%. '21, you were 30.6. Then you were thirty four and thirty three and thirty two.

Last year, you were at 33. What's the question? The question is you're going to need to set a where you are now with the completed facility, and now what are you anticipating based on all of the improvements? What is the percent conversion that we can count on to show that somehow we're gonna get to 75%? Yeah.

Because you're probably gonna be the the franchise in in perpetuity, and we're gonna come up against the same position we came up against when we hit the 50% at the state. You know, the way that was devised was that they were going with part pounds per person per day disposed as a measurement to see that people were improving. But what they neglected to to understand or or present forward, thinking forward, was that the the state mandated goal is 75%. So there has to be some sort of conversion to get to demonstrate that 75%. So they quickly had to decide how are we gonna do this because now we have to determine who's at 50%.

So they went ahead, and they they they came up with that system where they came up with, at this point in time, whatever your number is, at the end of 2007, that's your 50%. That's gonna come back again when that hits them when all of a sudden, they're gonna have to decide whether we hit 75%. So with all the programs that we're putting together, the best measurement that we have is how we manage that material that you're managing. And that's that's that's straightforward numbers. That's a a mass flow.

What goes in and what goes out? These numbers are I'm I'm not these numbers are great numbers. I mean, these are true numbers. Mhmm. When when we went to the when we see that the plasma is at 60% and South Tahoe is at 60% and you're at 32 plus thirty thirty four, 36%, that's where the concentration needs to be.

Have a hunt in 2025, we had a 143,000 tons of municipal solid waste that went through your facility that you guys manage. We only recover and we only recover 95000% based on your numbers. And that's we didn't even recover less than that because we don't recover anything at your facility. Those numbers represent a 100% of what you process through there. The recovery is gonna be less than that based on what they take out at the other end, which is an actual MRF. Correct?

Yeah. I They're not

at a 100%.

I think I think there's two points here, Don. It's we're we're primarily a transfer station. Yeah. So we are at the mercy of the customer's behavior, the consumer's behavior, and I cannot control consumer's pain. And only divert what is brought to me within the parameters of what we have. In 2014, I mean, I wasn't here then, but Tim's been around long enough. There there's, like, five variations of the MRF compared to what was originally planned for that facility that have changed because cost changed and all sorts of different things. Right? We're we're not the Auburn facility. We don't have we we won't be.

It's two those are two different things you see. So, you know, I mean, we could go around about 75% goal. But unless you are hand sorting every piece of material that comes through your facility, stretch goal. And the Auburn facility isn't at 75%, and they hand sort everything. Or they Right. Sort everything. So they're not even there. Right? And and our facility is not them. So You guys don't ex

one thing that is the elephant in the room that's always not talked about is that you guys don't accept a lot of cockroach, and you don't accept a lot of asphalt. And a lot of people take We take it. Yeah. But a lot of other facilities take that kind of stuff. Mhmm. And they don't get credit for diverting that. A lot of that work that comes in. I mean, if you look at STR I have pick on you, Catherine, but if you look at a lot of STR's numbers, a big surge and a lot of their diversion is Well, sure.

And and I I think we've talked about that in this room before is your backhaul from grocery stores that doesn't process through us. So if you wanted to include those numbers, you could. I don't know how to go get them. Larry Abel's numbers, that's your concrete guy in town. So, I mean, if we if we wanted to go see how what his numbers were for everybody that brings in, you could probably I don't know how those how those would add in. Right? But 33, what we're doing is a piece of the puzzle for Mhmm. The county, and I I can know that I can't control consumer behavior.

Right. So But the 75 percent number, that's that number is is gonna encompass more than than you. That's going to encompass what the county does as well as far as their efforts in their separate education things and influencing source reduction things that are no longer gonna show up in the waste stream, which is another whole different type of thing when it comes to the 75%. Because under our original numbers, source reduction because we had to go ahead and estimate because had to determine how much we thought we were recycling because we had to determine what percent is recyclable. And we can't do that only by knowing what's your landfill.

So we had to go ahead and kinda estimate what we're recycling. So we estimated all these things, and a lot of them were source reduction type things. I can anticipate when this comes later than 75% now, source reduction options are gonna maybe drop out of the 75% because now we have the accurate numbers of what's being recycled, and that's all being reported on the RDRS forms. So those are the numbers that are gonna be probably be used if the state is doing half of the job of of using those numbers for something. They are gonna have all of the recycling numbers that that they're gonna be able to determine.

They have to have the landfill number. They're gonna have the recycling numbers. There's gonna be no doubt about what whether you're at 75%. My mind looking forward, the way things work. So I recognize that you're exactly right, and that's what's been kinda staring us in the face is that it seems like the design, the overall design of all this time was designed in such a way that it's not there were some changes that were made that is it there's no way it's gonna there's no way.

It's not possible because we're at the mercy of the the general public of putting the right thing in the right container at the right time. And the the simplest question I'm almost embarrassed to ask this question, but everything that we're directing on is education and trying to educate the public that what goes into that container is in the right container. The simple question I have to ask is with all the education, with all the the hoops tags and the audits and what have you, we're trying to educate everybody, and the fallback of the direction for that is if you don't, this is what what needs to go where where it has to go. If you have any questions, then you revert back to your website, the the waste wizard. And the simplest question I have is in this day and age, you know, AI AI and everything else is is gonna be the wave of of of successiveness.

With all of that effort that you're doing, you must have data that shows how many hits you've had on that website, on the waste wizard, and are able to been correlating that to your educational efforts of where you've been concentrating your efforts and how many people have actually gone to that waste wizard and are looking to see whether or not they understand they have a problem or not. I go on the Home Depot website and and I look at something. The next day, I'm saying, we caught you looking. Do you need this? Do you like this? Do you want this? Oh, you left something in your basket. You obviously are have to be doing that.

Yeah. With 50,000 customers, I I don't know the numbers of you know, off the top of my head, hits on the hits on the

I ran the metrics for the waste wizards because we're gonna do some paid advertising. And so I've been working with Christina. So I'm just pulling it up right now, but I think she has numbers from 2018 through 2026. They've had over 80,000 visits, the voice wizard site. Since what? This is over since 2018.

That cumulative? Or

And most of it's from the web versus mobile app. Uh-huh. So that's information. Sorry.

This just a little clarity. 2018, 20,000 hits on that year alone, or is that

I think Oasis started in 2018. That's why the data is

I gotcha.

Starting there. I see.

And then over that time, they've had 81,000 From '18 to now? Yes. Yes. 600 81651. This was presumably just sent me this last month. That's good.

I would I I would just say too for reference, Don, the problem isn't the person who's trying to figure out the answer for sure. The problem is the person who doesn't want to know the answer.

Yeah. Yeah.

But reminding the person who's already trying to get educated, be educated, they've already they've already done it. They've already educated themselves.

At least

that you at least you have.

Mentioned to they had for first

time visitors almost 340,000. Okay. So

it's Still works. Yeah. Dawn, I'd like to put your comments in perspective. We are here as an advisory committee. I think and I haven't been here for very long, but I have seen that the strategic report is not number related. This is their goals, and there's there, I'd consider qualitative versus quantitative goals, and that's what you do before. And so us as a committee, we've got the 75% diversion rate. We've got these per pounds per day. But I think our job is to get together and and monitor that. And so us as a committee, we're looking at the real numbers on a monthly basis.

We're now gonna be meeting on a quarterly basis. So I think it's up to us to digest these numbers and work with the haulers. Numbers are important because we may be stagnant at 30%, but those numbers are the MRF that don't account for a lot of stuff we talked about in this room. CMDB, one of them. But there's also a lot of streams out there. EID, one of them. We've got big projects. I know a lot of our waste. We contract with the Sacramento outfit and all of that waste stream. It doesn't even get we talked about that as well.

So there are a lot of stuff. I think it's important to to know those numbers, but that strategic report, I think, isn't the place for them. I think that's the numbers get, I think, flushed out through the. I think it's our job to make sure the board of supervisors know, you know, what our cooperation's been with with callers.

Our September our September EDSWAC meeting will continue to feature an extensive overview of the electronic annual report just in our best guess, the best possible data for looking at diversion and reporting data within the county. And we now have five jurisdictions participating in that electronic annual report, which we can talk about something like, oh, and the CSDs now. You know, it's an it's an excellent opportunity to go over the figures and also for me to introduce competing figures from local jurisdictions like Folsom and stuff like that to talk about how we're doing and measuring up to the state and state performance. I think questions are right. I'm not sure. With us moving on

a quarterly basis, I think we need to talk about in this room what we wanna really do. And I know we've got our we're gonna be 're to the

board here very shortly? Yes. Yes.

Talking about a general goal that is at the right direction. More results.

Just looking back and forth. And, like, our recommendations, and I think some of this fits in with having looking at some data, but we were saying to conduct some waste characterization studies so we see what is it that's going you know, that we're not capturing, maybe targeting that, and then the use of technology, our cameras so that we there again, that we have more information on what is it that we're missing and then focus on areas with the greatest opportunities for diversion. So I think that that's where we need to go. My sort of first comment also looks like we have all these programs we're adding, and we have a sense of how much they might add, you know, or how much waste we might divert. So it's something to continue.

It seems consistent with what we were seeing in a five year review. Yes.

Chris, you had time just to real quickly. Could you just talk a little bit about we talked AI AI is a good thing, especially after going to the plasma and and seeing recent news reports. If anybody's interested in AI, you really wanna know in the waste industry, you can go off online and look up AMP Robotics. And the stuff they're doing in the industry is incredible. And as I went from various places, I was really surprised to find out that Waste Connections is actually employed in in six or 10 of their facilities.

And what they're recovering is incredible. You know, we talk about what what the waste looks like. Basically, what AI does is it just produces a database that looks at possibly every type of waste that's going through that system, and it will detect a can, a crushed can. It can determine the difference between a picture of a crushed can going through it. It's incredible. So I've been interested to see what's gonna make this thing work. It's gonna be AI. But could you just quickly say talk talk a little bit about the AI of this camera and and how, you know, how that's gonna help with the diversion. Looking at because I see it as, like, looking into the truck.

Yeah. So the AI that we're using is fleet based. So Mhmm. You're you're not gonna see that your your diversion would be on the impact of educating the customer and hopefully letting them know that they're putting raw material. But, you know, the truck capturing what's contaminated is not us gonna go in and pull that material out once it's already in the truck. So you're not gonna see direct correlation to diversion. What you are gonna see is, some, you know, intentional education that hopefully leads to diversion. So that's it. Like, it, like, give an alarm? Like, if it sees something, it's Nope.

Nope. It's strictly or strictly capturing still photos, and then we sift through all of the photos that we get every single day.

So he physically has to look at the camera to see what's going in. Drive doesn't do anything.

AI camera is capturing the photo. It sends it to us, and then we have our team internally review every photo we get. So And then if it's in the if

it's in the that's in the, recyclables as well as green waste, it's just

So it's it's on the vehicles. Yeah. And like I was explaining to Doug, you know, primarily in commercial right now, but it's he puts on all of the commercial vehicles. So it's gonna capture a photo depending on volume and what it sees.

The intent, though, is you're gonna have

loose education. These are, like,

one on one conversations with the consumer. Yeah. Yeah. Because now you know, like, hey. By the way, you're putting this in your dumpster. Yes. Yeah.

He threw your couch last week. Now he threw away refrigerator this week. Hey, man. You're a problem. Yeah.

And, you know, not getting too into the weeds. The problem you run into, Mike, is we educate a property manager who lives in LA because that's the contact You know what we have. Yeah. So, usually, what we do is kinda twofold. We'll we'll contact the information they gave us when they set up the account, and then sometimes we just we'll just walk straight into the business. But is the front desk person the one taking the cash out?

You know, we don't we don't know.

Right? But, nonetheless, we're gonna make the, yeah, direct direct communication. We've done it now too via email and text message and you should just be a phone call.

So we're gonna hit every channel possible. And sorry.

Not to deliver the point.

So you have to care it. What about the stick? Say, okay. You're a first time offender.

For sure. So there yeah. Basically, we'll notify and say, hey. You're a good situation. We capture this again. Contamination charge. Or we have to if you don't wanna remove it, we have to dump everything as trash and trash. Yeah.

We need to have trail cameras on there.

People do. They can. And then at the end of that route, if there's a I can doesn't get, like, a printout, and then it it shows the amount of contamination that was put in that load. And then

No. It's gonna it's just gonna tell us how many events were captured. So how many pictures were captured. We physically go and look at everything.

Oh, sure.

So the load doesn't there's no chance that the load gets diverted to landfill. It still it all gets dumped to go to the MRF.

Yeah. Like, if you went and looked at our commingle when we walked you guys around the MRF, our commingle pile, it's definitely not super clean. You know? Because what's in the curbside container, it's what's in the curbside container. Right? But 85 of that material is clean. We can't just take it all and go put it in the trash. So

so the biggest bang for the buck is really to determine what's in the other than 43,000 pounds just not being even looked at going to the landfill. That's where the big bang biggest bang for the buck for a waste characterization studies that come from.

Would it be like sorting the trash? Is that what you're talking about? Oh, waste characterization study. That's what we do. We we do waste characterizations. We have for a long time. Yep. So we've we've done those for a long time, and precisely yeah. Pretty nasty. We dump we dump the trash out. We grab the bags open, and then you you go through and see what's in the trash.

And what is that showing as?

I'd have to go and But you have that. I mean, share that. We have

some That do. Yep. Cool.

Alright. Thanks, Chris, for discussing your strategic plan. If no other comments, we can move on to the ordinances. This is a receiving file.

Ready? Yes.

Okay. Alright. Twenty six zero six two two. Environmental management department recommended the committee to discuss the upcoming ordinance revision 8.42, 8.43, and 8.76. Okay. So Jeff and I went to the board and asked permission weeks ago to revise these ordinances, modernize, update things, go through them, yada yada yada. We'll start with the c and d ordinance because we're kinda fresh on that. Just move up to beat. So changes in the ordinance, it's actually pretty simple. We used to have this, like, really convoluted regulatory program where we, like, sorted people into, like, options and stuff.

This was devised because it was a model ordinance provided by the state. So we kinda copied the model ordinance. It's like a lot, you know, like a lot like we do all the time. You know? This state kinda writes a template for you, and you go, okay. I'll start here. But we felt like that the ordinance was too complicated. It was a it was a cog in our building department when contractors would come in, get these permit runners, and then ask them questions about what are you doing with your waste? We don't know. I think it's confusing, and then it became regulatory confusion about who we could regulate and who we couldn't and stuff like that.

And there was a lot of a kind of an honor system going on, kind of not very efficient. We spend more time in the office dealing with paperwork than we do actually on the field checking to make sure c and d ordinances are the c and d ordinances are being fall fall. So I wanna spend more time in the field verifying this stuff and less time in the office asking people to do paperwork. So this the the core of the ordinance is that we simply created a blanket requirement that all permitted projects, whether or not they're pools or solar or whatever, must recycle 65% of the waste material, that's state law, if they re if they create over a thousand pounds of waste, which is about a truck, you know, give or take a few pounds. So this basically if you're under a thousand pounds, you're exempt from C and D requirements because you're basically just not producing a lot of waste.

It's kinda small fries. It's not enough for us to start poking people and dealing with it. A lot of those small projects are electrical projects or solar projects or, you know, like, weird small things like that. Maybe have a few cutoffs or something that don't really produce a lot of waste. But if you're over a thousand pounds, you're just required to do it. Now how you do it is not as much our concern anymore. You simply just have to do it. So now the bill you can go to the building department and say, I want a permit to build a new home. They say, well, you gotta recycle 65%, and then they have to agree to recycle 65%. Whether or not you sell it on Facebook Marketplace or you take it to a high diversion facility that where it's appropriate, it doesn't matter.

You just have to recycle 65%. And we're we now have the option, environmental management, to audit any project and say, show me that you recycled 65%. So it's really simple. So it should and now there's no fee. So anybody who does CMD is not gonna be charged any kind of fee. There's no crazy reporting or anything like that anymore to do. It's simply a the state says you have to do this. We say you have to do it. You have to do it, and you're subject to audit.

Are there any guidelines in this to recommend to the builder or contractor, hey. This is how you prove about your recycling?

You basically just need to keep your disposal receipts. That's that's standard practice when you're dealing any kind of project. Mhmm. When you're when you're agreeing to this, you're basically saying, okay. I I have I have to be able to prove that I did this. So we we can audit any projects, especially large projects, like large developments, and say, hey. Let's look at your disposal records and make sure the 65% of this is going to, you know, going to

It's never it seems to me it's hard. I've got a a rollaway, and I threw all my waste in there. And you guys come to audit me. I said, yeah. That's we we had two rollaways, but I recycled all of this stuff. I know I didn't put my I don't I don't know. I'm I'm just trying to, like, guess what would be on a typical construction site. But I'm I'm telling you, Tim, that I know I've I recycled, like, 50% of this, 30 of that, but I had these two rollers at a big job. How

Well, if you're sending them to an Alderman disposal, we know that they have a diversion rate based on all their material co made with materials for C and D. So by if you if I went to your project and you said, oh, I got a diversion box from all the disposal Mhmm. I would probably be like, yeah. That's you're probably gonna be able to capture I can even call all the disposal and see if there was any problems. So we have problems where people get roll offs with them, and then they totally contaminate them up. I like to know who that is because then I can go talk to them and be like, you're breaking state law here and county law by not importing 65% of your materials. So we talked about earlier, like, Chris saying he can't control consumer behavior, but, you know, you're required. If you're a bigger project, you're required to recycle 65%, and he could flag them. Yeah. And he can tell me. And he can tell me.

Let's say I've all the windows I had in the project, I sold a marketplace. Yeah. How do I get

credit for that, I guess? Because you just that's that's that would be material that you would you know, you I diverted these windows. We're not you know, not everyone has a giant scale. It's like when we look at the project, we're gonna be evaluating it based on simply what you did. You know? If you're like, oh, I I took this asphalt at Abel, and then I took this dimensional lumber to eat all of our disposal and stuff. It's like, okay. You can start seeing a trend that people are are completing that 65 gonna get to that 65% threshold. But if, you know, Chris has a guy bringing a load and it's like, you know, a C and D load that's in a giant 40 yard roll off and it's rashed and totally contaminated, I know he's probably not getting there. So I can enter into an enforcement machine and say, look.

You didn't you didn't do this. And then it goes under our nine point o two umbrella for code enforcement, and there's potentially penalties there. Like, you know, you don't get another permit ever. So that's I it allows me to say to to give everyone everyone now follows the same rules. Everyone now can can, you know, divert any way that they seem appropriate, whether it's taking it to EDD or selling on Facebook Marketplace or going to a landfill and, I don't know, wherever. Who cares? It doesn't matter. All they need to do is recycle 65%. And it gives me the ability to target people and the time to target people that are not doing

that. Yeah. Sounds good.

And it gives me an enforcement mechanism in our building and planning department to say, look. We have a lot of options to to penalize you based on instead of just saying, like, please don't do that again. We can we can basically say, you're not allowed to get permanent, but we're not counting. Your business.

I just have clarification question. So I I understand that the exemptions would be infrequent. Yeah. Let's say somebody had some legit and that reason for part of it, does it just you get a full exemption for reading the 65%, or you can say, yeah. We can see this. You can meet it with 42.

So that's the only that's the only project that comes across my desk in the future is when someone has a situation where they are over a thousand pounds, but they can't meet the 60% number. And that's what I evaluate. There's no charge for that now because often these situations are not pleasant situations. Like, people and so it's a courtesy. So, like, if you have a building with a significant amount of asbestos or you have a burned building and a lot of burned waste, I can make the professional evaluation that, look.

There's there's no way to recycle 65% of this, so I'm gonna exempt you from these requirements if you can dispose as you see fit. Obviously, if somebody has, like, you know, a permit where part of it's burned and part of it isn't or something like that, I can stipulate guidelines that say, okay. That waste is exempt, but you still have to follow the rules of these things. So it gives me a little it gives me Yes. A building official, which is actually technically like Jeff, but in lieu me, to to have wide discretion to give people an exemption if their projects are which comes up relatively frequently. Sometimes weird stuff happens. Yeah. You just have to say, okay. This isn't gonna work for you. It's fine.

But those, like you know, the the classic examples we used to just exempt, like, solar projects, for example. But, like, you know, sometimes solar projects are commingled with roofing project and commingled with, like, other I mean, my my neighbor just got his roof redone and solar panels put on. You know, they're still they definitely made over a thousand pounds. So, you know, they would be subject to the requirements. Just because they're a solar project doesn't mean that they're not. So it kinda is it's less confusion. It's like, I don't really care what project it is. It's granny unit or driveway or whatever, it doesn't matter. All that matters is is it over a thousand pounds of are you doing what you're supposed to be doing? Now the contractor's all the same.

Okay. So that was CMD. Sounds like anybody have questions about this?

What page is that?

This is the last page. This is the road. Nope. Okay. I'll move on.

Oh, wait. Wait. Wait. I just said app. Sorry. I just said three simple things on the Three simple things. Simple to me. So On page one zero seven. Okay. We're gonna find this.

Yep. See there. Eight point forty three point zero two zero. Post adoption of the diversion coordinates. But then the thing that's crossed out says

I crossed out the solid waste management plan.

No. Like, one before that. At least 50%. Yeah. I just kinda threw this out as a suggestion because maybe I just don't understand this entire process. I know I should. But instead of saying at least 50%, should that not say at least 65% of the C and D agreed from applicable building permits

for covered projects? So as cal as you know, in California, it's like, numbers change a lot, and the state will change rules on ordinances, and they get decided to 75% next year through legislation. So I tried to remove a lot of the kind of commingled numbers that were basically not mentioning. You know? That way, if it changed in the future, it was a lot easier for me to just change it from 65 to 75 and stuff like that. So when I went through the ordinance, it was kind of a housekeeping item to to remove this figure. So I basically just said this this phrase made sense. I just don't even need to include this number to diverge. You did

you did kind of work it that way in some of these where you put or at the current regulatory level. Mhmm.

Mean, we can put that But they're called have to worry about it. An escape clause and basically a Yeah. Why would

you put that in? Sorry. What? Why wouldn't you put an escape clause in there? I don't know. I don't know. It just didn't seem appropriate. It seems

like the way I wrote it.

That you wouldn't have to go ever have to go back and

revise it? There's no there is no revision. I removed the number. There's you know, this field has been removed, so this clause has no data or no figure, so I can just remove

Well, it's always management plan. Yeah. This kinda raises this is kinda like the big elephant in the room up in there.

The option of C and D version ordinance that includes Cal Green standards for the reuse and recycling of C and D is essential to meet the goal of reducing. So I removed the solid waste management plan because, frankly, it's not it wasn't super I I just didn't feel like that. You know? It's subject to revision. The Solvers Management Plan is a document that could eventually be outdated. It's not 75% diversion. You know? We're we're talking in this room and talk we've been talking in the room for the last couple of years about that those numbers aren't exactly super prudent anymore. We're moving to PPD calculations. So it's starting to update the language to simplify the ordinance. This is more about findings with you know, structurally based on state law and about our objectives and goals.

Yeah. That kinda that kinda intimates to me that we're kind of not appreciating what's ahead of us here.

I don't Are we going back to the 75% thing?

No. No. I mean, as far as the follow-up management plan, I mean, in order to in order to reach the 75%, we have to have continuous improvement. So the plan has to continue. Our recommendation was that we don't need a consultant to do that. Right. But this plan has to be continued. And there are even though it's effectively functionless, but it still reports on, and there are still strategies in in that plan that identify them as ongoing.

So you want me to remove that field and reference the solid waste management plan, including a waste diversion goal of 75%?

No. I would do it just like we do, like, with with the changes to the franchise agreements. I would say, solid waste management plan and its and its and amendments. You're gonna have to you're not gonna write a brand new plan. You're gonna be amending that one through a process of moving forward to the next short term, intermediate, long term plan, it's gotta be a solid waste management plan. But if you're already thinking of we're we're not gonna have one

I didn't say that. I was No. That's that's what moving the reference from the the ordinance. I I just you know, when I when I rewrite ordinances, I really try to remove references to the things that eventually are changing or being adjusted and stuff like that. I felt like these findings were were good based on state law and talking about that. But I can understand what you're talking about, the Solace Management Plan and its amendments. So that might be a more appropriate comment.

And that's either gonna be an amendment physically to to that big document, or it could be there may be something you already have. I mean, you probably have a planning mechanism where you may have already started developing and writing the new strategies and and what have you. You may have that already. I don't know. But somewhere, there's gonna be a documentation that's gonna be amending this plan if you're planning to move towards seventy five percent

first.

Okay. And just kinda dropping that out of there. Okay. Next suggestion. Next suggestion, please.

If if he does put it back in, referencing the plan means it's the current plan including all amendments. So I don't if if either he does or doesn't reference it, he doesn't have to call out and start the 75% because the plan will adjust over time, and that 75% may may adjust instead of be just Sure. Yeah. Yeah. The 75% is Then

it encompasses the plan issue. The fact that we're Mhmm. The the plan has a major input into the solid waste management ordinance and the way we manage our I think

we're getting past the important part of the statement in that in that spot. Dee is talking about complying with diversion based on the Cal Green standards, Period.

Yeah. That's kinda what I was doing as I said.

Therefore, by bringing in the county's document, it's overcomplicating it because the county's document is gonna be

based on the Cal Green standards.

I would actually

that the simplification makes a lot of sense because we're just saying stating that the diversion has to comply with Calvary standards.

Yeah. I I could possibly move it to another to e, you know, and talk about the local salt waste management plan. I would I would separate that because Calvary and standards are are very different from the salt waste management. So I cut out the solid waste management plan, but I could add a field, a number e that says, you know, this goal is helping us get to our diversionary targets from the solid waste management plan and submitments. That's fair.

That was it. Okay. Didn't you have a third one? Oh, oh, wait. Oh, on the age six of seven.

Enforcement. Yeah. Maybe I I just didn't do this. Here, it it enters a new responsibility here. It says the enforcement official. Yes. That position isn't described in the definition, and that that responsibility hasn't been

That that we're previously The enforcement official is referenced in nine point o two. It's basically essentially a building official or Jeff is an enforcement official, the head of building and planning. It allows them to to basically use nine point o two code enforcement to to basically enforce the law. So what it what it does is a lot of county ordinance are now having enforcement sections point at nine point o two referencing the enforcement official that allows them to use that mechanism to enforce county codes. So this is kind of a port.

It's like saying, this enforcement system is under nine point o two. If you wanna do enforcement, go ahead. Yes. The enforcement official and all its all its definitions are defined that and that one. You see this in all three of the ordinances that they're all pointing at. Alright. I'll do solid waste next. South Lake Tahoe, do you have any comments on the C and D ordinance?

Nope. Thank you.

None from me.

K. So 8.42, solid waste ordinance. The addition of the you know, obviously, the big one is the addition of mandatory service in the area. Is not in this meeting right now to just talk about that, but there's been, you know, a need a potential need for mandatory service in that area. Me and Jeff are going through a very long, drawn out process doing that mandatory service.

We had to amend the ordinance to do that, so to to cover additional mandatory areas. So that's been amended. We've got some prop to 18 language to clarify to citizens and anybody reading the ordinance legally, understanding that, you know, what that means for the mandatory area and the actual definitions, which are really complicated about township thing. It's really complicated. I also I also added in there to remove the exception for yard waste and plastic bags due to the difficulty of accepting yard and organic waste and noncustible bags. That was a that's been a long time coming for us. We hadn't found workarounds for that, but now it's now it's legal. Yeah. So good. Because plastic bags and green waste are just an absolute mess.

Again, consolidating enforcement of nine point o two. And then leaving we left franchise administration complaints to environmental management, meaning that, like, our mechanisms for dealing with with waste haulers, violations with waste haulers are still in Jeff's hands, in director's hands. So, yeah, this one was kinda complicated. Disorderance is really big, but there wasn't as many changes. So, you know, I added some match definitions.

You know, we franchise collection rates. This is the big prop two eighteen section. We had a few colleagues from county council on some of the stuff that they didn't include because they just came in. But most part, they've approved most of this so far, so that's cool. Does anybody have any questions on 8.42? Super piece. Cheated up, man. We're really running out of time here.

We've been Page 12. The AB nine thirty nine reporting requirements talks about each franchise submit reports. Are there not any I mean, nine thirty nine, that goes back a long ways. Are there not any specific thirteen eighty three reporting requirements?

There are

specific thirteen three reporting. We've kind of

We have a we have an eight we have an organic waste ordinance that covers that 8.45. Now there was a long time when we first did the organic waste ordinance for SB thirteen eighty three. There were there were a question of whether to commingle it in 08/1942 to, like, merge them and have 8.42 dramatically expand or to separate that and create eight point four two and eight point four five. We chose not to expand those. So all SP thirteen eight requirements from the haulers are either in a franchise agreement, amendment, or they're in the 8.45 organic waste ordinances.

These nine thirty nine reporting requirements are simply legacy requirements that we actually still deal with, which is less waste the rates, recycle, and tonnage reports or electronic annual reports.

Those are yeah. Good.

So those are covered by that.

And then just quickly on the thing on the plastic bags. I know we got rid of those plastic bags, but we are. Mhmm. And

It's it's

It was kinda like on page 17. We just kinda took out plastic with bags. It just said bags. We have, like, the the voucher system. We have the extra pickup for some garden waste. It's no venturing that we go ahead and pick up. And it specifies paper bags no greater than 30 gallons. Is that not like shouldn't like, at least put paper bags in there? I'm not trying to nitpick this. And then Depends.

I don't wanna we know that plastic can't be taken, so we wanna keep the the material flexible. So it's at the hauler's discretion whether they're going to accept what kinds of material are banned. You know? Like, some kind of miracle, they invent magic plastic destroying material. Okay. Like, I mean, go back to taking plastic bags. When I rewrite ordinances, I'm one of the big primary primary things I'm looking for is flexibility. I want to remove traps, what I call them traps, that basically lock us into one way of thinking and one way of doing things. They can be problematic. That's why plastic here is kind of obnoxious because it's like, well, we have disposable compostable bags, we have paper bags, and we have it's like other kind of bag.

So Pretty hip bag out there.

I don't know. So I try to avoid too much detail. You know, we try to keep it vague, and I use those escape clauses to say, well, this isn't exactly working at this point.

Okay. And the plastic bags, it's it's not just for plastic bags can't be used not just for for the yard price, but can't be used for recyclables either. Is that that's covered under here too? No plastic bags for recyclables? Well, no. Plastic isn't defined here. So Do you need a section? I mean Why?

You don't want plastic bags in the

in the green waste because it affects the management of them. It's the same thing with the recycling. Right?

But there was no exemption for there was no explicit exemption for yard waste here, or there was no explicit exemption for res for inert recycling material. So there was no exemption saying, yes. You can take your milk cartons and throw them in a plastic bag. That was only for yard waste. That's why we removed that. Oh, okay. And then I removed the references to plastic to give us flexibility on any cutting collection things Four. That's it. Alright. South Lake Tahoe, any comment on Solvay's ordinance 8.42?

None from me.

Alright. No. Thank you. Anybody else? Pretty straightforward, that one. Alright. Bearbox one. This one's kind of the most, like, controversial. We had the most comments from county council. There's some fuzzy things in here that I kinda still need to work out. It's not time sensitive, but I do wanna get it passed. This was complicated. So we we have this system in Tahoe where we have bear boxes. Mean, everyone puts their trash in a box and in a in a container in a box. South Lake South Tahoe refuse introduced herbicide bear resistant containers that are, you know, a a more traditional collection system but aren't defined in the bear box.

First problem that came up was people would build new homes, and then then we we would actually mandate them to have to build a bear box even if they had curbside service. That's not fair. It's like a $2,000 charge to build a box that they don't use.

And the carts don't fit in the box.

And the carts don't fit in the box. So we had this, like, quagmire that we're like, man, we really need to change this ordinance, and then a lot of stuff started coming up that we kinda started picking up. So I had to create new definitions to standardize all collection systems. So whether that's Fairbox, commercial service, or self hauling, it had to apply to both areas, including our new mandatory area. It had to apply to different franchises we have TTSD up there that does operates differently from STR.

We wanted to add recycling language. Remove SLT, basin waste management authority, dispute approvals of equipment. They used to kinda have this, like, again, this is another example of someone putting something in the ordinance with no flexibility. They were the only people that could approve, like, certain bear boxes. So you had to go through them, and they, like, meet twice a year, and they don't even know they're not aware of this authority, really.

And so someone that comes in and says, I have a Bearbox company. I wanna get approved. It's, like, kinda ridiculous to ask them to wait six months so this group may or may not approve you. So we bestowed that authority on the county and the haulers now. So we can work together and approve any vendor that provides a piece of equipment that's appropriate, and then consolidating enforcement under nine two.

So as you can see here, one of the critical things that I changed was this language, waste and recycling storage. So now a bear proof container bear proof waste and recycling storage is an approved container receptacle enclosure storage system designed, constructed, maintained to prevent bears and other wildlife from getting access, municipal solid waste. So that's like the umbrella term. Right? And then bear boxes are a bear box and a bear proof container are the subtypes of those things, and those are each defined as well.

And each have their own rules. For example, we have rules with carts. We have rules with bare moss. So each one of those things had to be defined and spliced out. So now both systems fall into the thing. So a lot of it was just changing that language and that that jargon to those requirements. You know, just on and on about you know? And then there was VHR requirements, which I moved to make more script. This is a toss-up right now. I'm not sure if it's going to pass.

I'm not sure if it is county council approved it, but we wanna jump building and planning into this a little bit more too, obviously, because they for our deal with VHRs. But I felt like the VHR numbers were not sufficient for the requirements, and we've had a lot of VHR problems with trash. So I upped the requirements, making them a little bit stronger. But, again, that's a collaborative effort. This is my proposal to change them. So we'll see if they kinda take. And then we had this problem that we were like, okay. If we bring TTSD's area on mandatory, and what do we do? Like, do they do we have to force everybody to build a bear box all of a sudden? That's, like, a really hard sell.

It's like, congratulations. You have to pay for trash, and you have to pay for a $2,000 bear box. So we actually have a third category that's kind of, like, for self haulers. So you still have to pay for service, but you can self haul your waste, and you don't have to have a can. And you don't even have to have a bear box. But if you have a problem and you have a waste problem that happens and we we discover it and it's reported, and then we go go through the enforcement mechanism and say, look. You have to get enough. So because we do have a lot of family cabins up there that don't run out to BHRs or anybody, and then they just they pack away their waste. So we wanted to create an option for those folks who are doing that, who haven't gotten trouble, who haven't basically gotten trouble. So that's in there too.

Kinda counseled a few questions about that. I don't know if it was open to interpretation about whether we could just, you know, put the screws to somebody. So we're gonna

clarify that. Maybe a compliance arm. Yeah.

Yeah. I just wanna make sure with the language that people know that you're still allowed to, you know, you're still allowed to self haul your waste. You don't have to participate in waste service if you're in a mandatory area to pay for it. But you're not you're not required to use the bear proof container systems if you don't have a problem and you haul your waste.

Had some couple questions after things are easy, and that is the language it sounds like it applies to all haulers. It should mean it would also include self driving.

No. The bare box ordinance is only applicable to and that's actually really

It is. Yeah. I mean, the language that was in there was employer at one point, it was saying that it was also just to bring that to your attention because This

is my applicability. Sure.

Just also so you know, like, the Tigers and Strawberry area, they also have some bare contact. My understanding is how the water disposal picks up.

I'm not saying there's Tigers.

You stop at Fresh Pond.

Yes. Okay. And we got through the MBBS.

That you work. So

okay. So that makes sense.

But we we we provide bear fruit containers of all sizes. Yeah. Okay.

So the other just as an FYI that we do have really a lot of bear encounters and a lot of problems in this county. We're like, mice and bears, we have more than just about anybody else. But this California Department of Fish and Wildlife and County Ag, they have data on by property where there are all of these encounters. Mhmm. So if you were looking at other areas to consider, do we need to have, you know, beer boxes there? That that data is available. It's not mapped, but it is available. We would be looking at that.

That would be potentially an excellent project for EDSWAC to make a recommendation on that, you know, if you guys wanted to look at the bare bar the bare incident distributions and then determine whether it's appropriate for the board to revisit this applicability zone. You know, we do have that problem where we do have bears up in fines in those areas, but there's no legal requirement to have a bear an a bear proof container system or either a bear box or curbside box, the board of supervisors can certainly look at this applicability field and change it. It is way beyond me to make those recommendations. Right? Yeah. This and it may have

been that your language described and talked about that it would be a hauler. So that's been

the question you have.

Really applies to any haulers. Again, another escape clause. If PTSD goes belly up or something like that, and they're like, oh, we're somebody else now. Just it's like, if you're a hauler in these districts, you're you're off to that. Do you know?

There used to be that it was at, you know, 4,000 foot elevation based on elevation out.

I don't recall any elevation number being in here. The power cycle standards for s p thirteen eighty three, the waivers were based on that about in elevation.

So if you

were above a certain elevation, your census district could be exempted. There is no exemption in the applicant building here.

Yeah. Just in the I think in the very beginning when the bear box ordinance came out, it was anything above 4,000 on the elevation. So Qualic Clients really wasn't in there. So it was Yeah. Beyond Qualic Clients.

Plushie. Yeah.

I mean, that's just something that's something that's a that's a paragraph that I stared at for five minutes, and they said It works. Time. No. Just like it's another time. Like, I mean, that's a that's a question that we can talk about. I mean, it's something that could come up when s p thirteen eighty three is really fleshed out. You know? People would just go, okay. Enough. Like, we we We have to do something about this, but there has to be a lot of community support. You know? I believe d five are we'll be really exposed to that. Who's the who's the district from all kinds? Is it D 3?

It's 5. Think you're right. Yeah.

So It's 5. That's d five that's up in Lake Tahoe, but they're not subject to the same requirements.

I think they go down the fall. Yeah.

Yeah. That's kinda weird. You know? That's kind of a weird conversation that d five would have to have. It's with those constituents. It's like, I require it up there, but not down here, but then I wanna support this. And it makes everyone's rates go up because the bare box the bare containers are more expensive more expensive to issue, and there's a little bit more labor. Yeah.

So I mean, they're they're pretty automated, but the the Kreisberg containers Yeah.

We've also had massive supply issues. This is all documented with the state getting sheet metal fabricators to build these cans. They're starting to roll now, but sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. Mhmm. But, yeah, we had some we had some splashes. So but, yeah, I mean, we can revisit this. This this what's cool is this ordinance sets up any future changes if we wanna change applicability. Everything's defined. Everything makes sense. Whatever system you use like, TTSD was like, we don't use VeriSafe containers, Herbstent containers. I'm like, you might someday. I mean, STR never said they were gonna do that, then look where we are now. So things change.

So

obviously, STR and Katie, you guys might have some thoughts on this ordinance. Please do share.

We don't have a whole lot. I think it kind of clarifies a lot of things. I mean, this this might sound silly, but the the the I've never seen a bear proof cart. And so, you know, we always tell customers

Bear resistant.

Even though, yeah, these carts are locking and the intention is that it keeps a bear out, you know, we might wanna call that a bear resistant container.

Something that came up in my in my brain doing this was using resistant instead of proof and just just saying animal. You know? Yeah. Not singling out the bear shield. So automatically.

Recons get them caught too.

Yeah. So I might make that I think that's that's something I'm gonna consider.

Other wildlife in there.

Yeah. I do. But I might make it animal resistant or orbits or something. You know? I just have to

Well, bear is our main problem.

Yeah. So I I I'm I'm gonna talk with Ted or county council about that one and the CAO and see if they're if we all think it's a better idea to just change it wholesale to handle. That way, it just, like, somebody doesn't come in and be like, well, I don't I don't care about bear. I don't know. You never Yeah. It's gonna Sweet noise.

Okay. I would I

would second your idea there, Catherine. Just from an educational standpoint, I think we say resistant anyways. We don't Sure. Tell people anything's a

100%. You know? But Okay. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. That's a good suggestion, Catherine. Thank you. Sure. Anything else? These are still in work in progress. 8.42 is gonna be approved. It's gonna go to the board on May 12 for its first read. The other stuff's gonna come up behind it throughout the year. We're not those aren't as urgent, but 8.42 is on a time schedule. So we're gonna that's already been the schedule. And our first read's gonna be up in Tahoe. Okay. Getting there. Okay.

Those are not received and filed, technically. They're just provided, discussed. Okay. We got about kinda just getting short on time. I left the organics item at the end just in case we can have a discussion.

The next thing is 260608. That's the goal language. I brought this back up because this was our approved goal language, for this year, and I wanna talk to the committee about what you guys wanna accomplish this year. And if you guys wanna create I know we only have three meetings left, but if we wanna take any kind of action to to take an you know, we we did a lot last year with the management plan review, and Dixon's still gonna present it. We haven't even done it.

But if you guys wanna have a goal for this year and try to do something, I still think that there's time even though we only have two meetings left after this. There's still time to get something done. There's a we're gonna do our annual board presentation in September. It's gonna be in mid September. I exact date's not right in front of me, but it's it's the same presentation that Dina did last year. They said we're gonna be well prepared. That's not your fault. So what happened was the board the clerk of the board asked us to say, okay. Can you just go to the committee and, like, remind them who you are? And that's exactly what Dina did.

She walked up there and said, hello. You know, I'm at SWAC, and this is what we do. And they were like, where's the meat? You know? Like, where's the we wanna talk shop about this right now. And Dina's like, you know, I didn't wasn't asked to do that. So they were kinda disappointed. So I talked to the clerk, and I scheduled sorry. I scheduled our annual presentation for 09/1526. And it's probably gonna be Doug because you're the chair.

I actually think it'd be really good for Doug to be Doug because you can introduce yourself to the new chair. And we can go over the boilerplate stuff, but it's also an opportunity to talk about a sidebar. I don't think it should be really big. I think it should be something brief, maybe following up on this always print on Dixon's presentation in April. But that's a good opportunity to meet a goal is to get you already have a date to get in front of the board on 09:15.

We can kinda just shoehorn something in there that we wanna accomplish this year and talk about it then. Remember, it doesn't always have to be a board presentation. You can also just do a goal that's a a file or something that's community oriented or something for the jurisdictions. Doesn't you don't always have to answer to the board and and go, you know, this is what we did. It's it's good good, it doesn't always So it's up to ask. What do you guys wanna do?

Yeah. I think it goes back to what I was saying earlier to your comments regarding on. We we as a again, we meet four times a year now, so we have to decide what is the best thing for a buck. What are we gonna

what would we like to do?

What would like to see?

So the goal was developing a focused evaluation monitoring plan. So there's multiple ways you could do that. You guys could do that. Everyone could everyone could come to their everyone could do their own job and then show up at the next meeting in July, and we could, like, ratify something. You know? You could create an ad hoc mini today that could do the plan, do the job, and then come to come back in July and be like, here's what we got and then present it in September. Or one person could just take the the brunt of it and just come up, design a plan, and then present it in January present it in July and go from there. So it kinda depends on how the psych wants to spice up the world.

Well, as far as discussion, it was minimal and able to Tim's idea to bring something in September and say, hey. This is what we're doing as a committee, and here are our our findings or here are our recommendations or just like, here's a goal that we've created and met. I would recommend going with an ad hoc committee. That way we can be flexible with how many times will meet and who wants to decide who to present. Mhmm.

Yeah. That's that's a totally reasonable course of action. Again, the I wanna stress that Dixon's presentation is unusual. It's not the annual presentation. It's a five year thing that's special. We did a lot of work on that last year. That's not gonna happen every year. The September presentation is actually something that we do. So this is the appropriate for it. And if you guys like it, I'll try to keep this September date. That way we, like, have one last shot before it. You know? Like And

you'll set our free meetings before. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, would anyone like to move that we create a headhoc committee to to address the September meeting for the Board of Supervisory.

I think that's the approach that should be taken, so I make a motion to do that.

K. Do I some For Ladina?

Yep.

Okay. Let's go through the roll call.

I can. You

got Doug.

Hi.

Don. Aye. Dixon. Aye. Katie. Yes. Dina. Yes. Mike. Yes.

Kara. Yes.

Both again. Double back with names. It's embarrassing. Chris? Yes. Catherine? Yes. Motion passes. Alright. So an ad hoc committee. Alright. So the ad committee has been created. We're tasked with completing a twenty twenty six objective. Who would like to be on the ad hoc committee? That doesn't have to be motioned. It's just been It's like Doug.

Be on there.

There's no numbers. Ad hoc committees don't have a lot of rules. You can actually meet whenever you want. You can have as many people on them. It's kinda basically saying, okay. So does anybody wanna help Doug? Yeah. Dina? Okay. Good rule of thumb to have a little bit of spread representation. Doug represents a board member. Dina represents a city. Would anybody else like to do it? Maybe one of the haulers?

Catherine's last week. Yeah. Cool. That that was helping Catherine.

Sure. I will volunteer.

You will volunteer? I will. Your armpits. So anybody can add member you can always add members to that off menu. So right now, let's start with Doug, Dina, and Catherine. We'll set up a meeting date and try to accomplish something, and then we'll try to get something by the July meeting. I think that's appropriate. Yeah.

There it is. I'll be on it if I'm Yes. In your country.

We'll be back. Okay. Would you like me to set up that, or would you like to send it to

Please do. I'll ask the chair. I will always attend and help you guys, or if I can, Julie can. I remember last time I got really no beats. Yeah. I was actually doesn't I think

the minutes from our five week review also addressed this. Okay.

Okay. And then and then yeah. So that ad hoc committee has a lot of authority to to to push forward with an idea, but they have to bring it to Ed Swack to approve it. I ideally, I would just recommend that the committee has a kind of Solace management plan was big. Anything getting done is better than nothing. So let's try to do something manageable this time. Because we had so many chain administrative changes this year. Doug's first year as chair. There's a lot going on. You guys are where you're going across the world in these things. Yes.

Yeah. Doug's new. He's going traveling.

He's he's he's in a meeting. Yeah. So let's try to find something manageable to accomplish. And that way, again, sidebar it on that September, it'll and be, you know, an additional five or ten minutes presentation. And and first blush, I'm

just gonna send out ideas. We'll Good news. Ideas with the committee. And the good thing about, yeah, maybe we can reach out to other folks. Right. We're not gonna be in violation of the Brown Act if we yeah. No.

It's fine. And, again, we come back in July, and we can either approve it or try to move on and go there. I think July that's what's gonna be the July meeting. Now it's just kind of like, okay. This is it's done. Normally, we'd be doing this in January, but we got a late start because January was next this year. So, again, let's go

Just a meeting because we didn't have a quarter.

Yeah. So let's let's just well, I would recommend that that's why it keeps it light. Keep it keep it light this year and try to accomplish something. You can always do something next year too. It doesn't have to get all done right now. So let's just try to do some. Okay.

Awesome. That's great.

Okay. Our last quick we have a few more minutes. Sorry. Let's go to our last item, which is a discussion real quick. So I wanted to bring two things to the committee's attention based on SB thirteen eighty three.

One is our SACREIT program is coming to an end. Oops. Sorry. That's weird. Ah, there it is. Or our Breathe program is coming to an end. What a great program. I met recently with Rescue Unified. They would did not play ball with us and did not participate. And now they're looking for a program, and I met with them with Power Cycle. So I basically told them the truth about funding and what they needed to do. But I also told them that, you know, Julie's still available to them as is Christina and and and Chris, and Breathe can be contracted out. They still want work. And that other schools have done this. I'm like, go call them.

They did it. You know? Black Oak did it. They nailed it. So they were like, oh, I know Black Oak. I was like, yeah. Why don't you go call them and talk to them how how it went? They were very push backy about space. I understand people's constraints, but, like, okay. Oh my god.

I'm all set. I drive by

a rescue all the

time. It's

It's doable. You know? Yeah. It's doable. Oh, we like there's a parking space. Okay. Well, we gotta figure something out. Their their Green Valley School already takes up three parking spaces for

the three dumpsters that they currently have.

Wow. So And and their their exit, egress, all the stuff over there. A masterpieces. There's a power pole right by the sidewalks and can't there's no turn lanes. The whole entrance, everything to that place is terrible. I I I reminded them that, you know, waste professionals are are available to help service them and find solutions. Part of what EDD's job is to do is to come out and They have a whole down they have a whole area down the hill. Yeah. They can do something. But that would require someone to, like, haul the trash home.

You know? But, like and the trucks have to go down

the hill in the factory,

but there's a there's a space. I don't know if that's beaten. Yeah.

Well, they got denied. Yeah.

So No. I know. I remember I told them We're pretty good at finding solutions.

Yeah. I mean, that's that's your guys' business. So it's Yeah. You know? We let them know that they were not to make up for a skip, but we let them know that there's there's still services available to them, but the state is is the state officials that were with me were kinda like, okay. They're really nice about it, but they're like, you know, you gotta make progress.

Doctor. Bree from the school district hasn't learned anything either. Right? So, Brie, you can see their 100 page document of everything they did. So keep in mind, this is one of two contracts. So this contract is really just this school year, but we reviewed their last performance last year. So they've done two contracts for us. And and part of wrapping it up is they did do a handoff with ED. So ED knows what schools have, know, service, which ones are pending, where what progress we've made, what we didn't kind of stuff. So we and then we also contacted all of the schools and notified them that the program is over, but their resources are to contact UMB.

They can contact OP. So they have all of our information to move forward, and Cal Recycle is now also contacting most schools. So I think the Cal Recycle's focus right now is on edible food recovery for the schools, but I also provided this to Cal Recycle. So, hopefully, we we basically have accomplished half of the schools within the academy being signed up for this program. Less than we wanted, but still, great progress. And, you know, we've offered the option to just provide supplies if they wanted to put through the program themselves and stuff. So

You can provide you provide, like, links to to stuff they could purchase and all

that. Yeah.

That's what we've been doing. So

Yeah. And Paige is anyone. She's just given a map to it. And so all those resources that they've put together, we still have access to. We still can provide to them. They're online on their website. So

It's really not that hard to take a drive up to Black Oak too and and get get schooled

has honestly been my best.

Yeah. Get schooled out. Gets done. Poster child. Yeah. Know what? They're not exactly like they're they're a rural area. So, you know, they handled it like champions. So I don't think some some of the other areas, it's like, well, we're gonna have this problem. It's like, well, the Black Oak didn't have that problem, and Yeah. We think it'll be worse for them. So they're kind of our champions right now, and we lean on them to kinda spread the program.

I know each school's unique.

Some

school needs different treatment and different resources and different

He does?

A high school's schooling.

So some of them are so large. They're like, how many So cute, I think. Maxine kinda has it too. Kinda vanishes up in today. Hey.

Hey, Betty. Yeah? Were you saying something?

Oh, no. Sorry.

That's alright. Just wasn't sure if you had a comment. Okay. So

I was gonna touch on. Yeah.

Go over our our big grant.

Enough. Our grant our last grant from Power Cycle to do s b 1583. So now that we've completed with Breathe, we've wrapped up with EVD for organics or compost procurement. And now what we have left is just a few more items with our marketing team. We're gonna do some paid ads to support restaurants, and then we're gonna update our website for restaurants and then also provide training video for restaurants that they can use to train their SAP.

It'll be in multiple languages. So those are the last few items in the next few months that we'll be wrapping up. And that's what we were up for, but we did kind of play with some recycling funds we have? Did you wanna talk about

Yeah. So we have this weird program that we've never used called the RMC, the Recycling Market Development Zone. It's it's funds that are they've it's always been funds that have been targeted at, like, promoting your recycling market development zone, and then everyone just gets ported to this, like, low cost loans and potentially grants kind of thing with Power Cycle. Suffice to say, the program was cool, but it wasn't really effective in El Dorado County. So we were, like, really frustrated.

So we met with a new grant manager from the RNC program, and he kind of explained that they had a lot more wider berth to to grant funds to at discretion. It it more discretion to grant funds based on different projects. So me and Julie met with the Marcella Foundation in South Lake Tahoe. And what's her name that works for them that works for STR? Do you

remember? Katherine,

one of your old employees from AmeriCorps was doing it. Lily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Freaking sweet. We they're so great. They're so professional. They got us a proposal. Julie submitted it for preapproval. It's for some, storage,

cold storage. Yeah. They're building something called the atrium, which is gonna be adjacent to the high school, and it's supposed to be this facility that kinda helps students try different things. So it'll be like a woodworking shop and different stuff. But the Marcela Foundation has been really diving into edible food recovery and creating the app that we've talked about before we people can volunteer to transport food and things like that.

Well, they found that what they're missing at South Lake Tahoe is full storage. That's really the biggest challenge for a lot of food recovery organizations. And and so what they're gonna do is build a state of the art kitchen, basically, so they can teach students, you know, about cooking and food waste and things like that. They're also going to have storage facility there for Edible Food Recovery. And so Tim and I would like to ideally purchase a large, cold storage for them so that we can support that capacity building, which also turns it onto our requirements for us because we have a couple years another capacity Yeah. Report to do. So

So that's the nexus of, like, s p thirteen eighty three does something with the r and z money and works with an organization that me and Julie are quite fond of and that has always been super professional. So really cool potential projects. Yes. We're just seeking preapproval right now. Yeah. $40. I wanna bring this we're getting close to the end here. I wanna bring up this thing. We were notified by Tower Cycle that by the Jace, their enforcement arm, that we are under audit. So Julie has been opening the books to the JACE and basically showing them all we're doing.

City of South Lake Tahoe is also under audit right now. These these audits are legally required. So we are sorry. I'm not sure if someone hanged. These audits are legally required. So, you know, City Of Flaskerville got hit a long time ago really fast, but we're getting hit now. It's a long term audit. I just asked the haulers to provide their routes, which they've done. So Jason got there and kind of observed them, you know, undestructive. So, yeah, that's pretty much it, and that's what we're doing in the S B 13 And 3.

But Julie's kind of this is kind of our closeout here. We're not done with it by any means, but we're closing out the audit. We're closing out the grant funds and kinda gonna be changing to more traditional normal operations where things are so extravagant, different. And sustainable operations, things that, like, long term trying to build the program without these heavy airs coming in, like, you know, all those other people. Does anybody else wanna talk about s p thirteen eighty three while we're here?

Okay. That's it. So I'm gonna go back to the agenda real fast. So committee member announcements and comments. We have a new committee member. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Kara Kara? Thank you, Kara. Carrie, give her regards. She's.

She's. Yeah. So one more month.