City Council - Regular Meeting

See everyone this morning. Ladies and gentlemen, with now the hands of our Capo City Clerk, Lisa Carroll.

This is the pre-meeting of the Mobile City Council Tuesday, June the 30th. We have appeals request for a wave of the noise ordinance on July the 4th, 2.30 until 9.30 on Donald Street. July 4th, 3.00 PM until 10.00 PM on Elmira Street. August the 8th, 8.00 AM to 4.00 PM Cathedral Square. October 15th through the 17th, 11.00 AM to 9.00 PM on South Ann Street. October 17th, 6 p.m. until 10 p.m., South Reed Avenue. July 11th from 2 p.m. until 6 p.m., North Dog River. August 1st, 3 p.m. until 10 p.m. on Riverside Drive. July the 3rd through the 5th, 2 p.m. until 10 p.m., Burtonwood Drive.

Change that to 9 o'clock, Burtonwood, three days.

Yeah, I would like to change mine to 9 p.m. as well.

And Mr. President, on Elmira Street, I'm not going to move forward on that one. And then on 22 South Reed, if we can hold that over for one week.

So I have my, is the mic on? Can y'all hear back there? The mic's, yeah. You want to deny Elmira Street? Okay.

Elmira. What are you doing with it? Denial on Elmira.

You want to deny it completely?

On Elmira and then hold over 22 South Reed Avenue.

Okay.

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Council, this is before us. And unfortunately, the way that the law reads currently, we're going to have to deny this. These particular applicants, they are very, very good people. Matter of fact, they head up my cleanup this past weekend. Very involved. I used to live in Councilwoman Gregory District, so she's very aware of them. So we do have some bad actors, but I also know some good actors, excuse me. But I also know we have some bad actors also. But we need to go back and revisit this and ask the administration to look into this. but we can make sure that we can help the people out that are good actors to buy these Airbnbs and everything. So I'm going to ask the council, and let's go ahead and deny this, and ask the administration to, let's further just look into this in the future. Mr. Reynolds.

Yeah, just broadly, there's a law that's been written, and it's been written for a number of years, and it's just not being enforced. It creates a problem where people just keep coming in and doing whatever they want, operating these Airbnbs and just let them do it. Now it's sort of continued to snowball and snowball and more and more come. And then when it's time to take enforcement action, you're taking enforcement action on hundreds of them versus a much smaller amount that could have been, should have been. This is going to be an issue that we've got to tackle, but some folks are going to have to face the harsh reality that they're not going to be allowed to operate these things in some areas. So I guess that's something we will discuss going forward, but if we want to just continue to not enforce it, I don't know that we're ever going to make any progress. So that's it, Mr. President. Mr. President.

Yeah, Mr. Woods, then Attorney Woods.

So kind of going back and I I think really the hang up on this one or or the I guess the condition that that wasn't met or or the reason that we're looking at a denial today is I think this this one in particular dealt with the proximity of a trash receptacle to a property line and and we we kind of fleshed that out last week a little bit, but really there's no way to for this to come into compliance the way that the the ordinance in the UDC is written. and like i said last week i i you know concur with with councilman reynolds um but also too uh as far as i'm concerned i would like i said last week would be open to further discussion about this um especially if if you know airbnbs if we wanted to layer those into some sort of overlay or or um or allowable re uh area that they they can be can be um used or can be implemented. But, you know, end of the day, UDC is what it is. Trash receptacles got this one. And again, I would be open to further conversation about, you know, looking at what Airbnbs and how they operate in the city. I know for six, though, as far as my constituents, you know, neighborhoods, proximity to other residents, we have My folks in District 6 don't want an Airbnb next door to them. So that's just kind of where I'm at. But I would be open to considering some sort of modification to the EDC or something to look at where they are allowable, I guess.

Attorney Woods. Thank you, Mr. President. So, Mr. President, I would not only echo what you've said, it's the way the law is written. So, and conformity is an impossibility at this point, but we are looking into it. There may be a number of different options that are available to you all as a governing body. And so we're looking into that and looking at placing those options or at least discussing those options and where you all want to go, because ultimately it is going to be a legislative solution. if we want some level of conformity. So that's a discussion that we're willing to have once we have gathered more information and looked at the opportunities.

All right. Thank you. Mr. President. Yes, Councilwoman.

You hear me now?

Okay, great.

I don't know why it's so low. But I would like to follow up on that. In terms of this particular... ordinance that we're looking at now is the only issue, according to the law, I heard you talk about the trash receptacle. Is that the major issue? That's it.

Good morning. That's not the only issue. We find in the number of applicants that are attempting to go through the process, their biggest constraint is the trash refuge requirement as well as the parking requirement.

Oh, parking, yeah.

yeah mr woods uh just real quick um i know i think and um not don't hold me to it i think in planning commission we've reviewed maybe three possibly or something um so in order to in the city limits or within the city of mobile in order to operate an airbnb um you do have to go acquire a business license and everything on today and i'm not holding you to a specific number i know that in prior conversations over like a year and a half two years we've kind of been talking about maybe upwards of 400 airbnbs out in the city limits um right now To the best of your knowledge, how many have we actually issued a business license and they're operating in full compliance per se?

It's only been a handful and those have come before you for approval. So off the top of my head, it may be four or five. And we're getting requests to walk through the process. But on the application, it states that how are you going to conform to this trash refuse requirement and how are you going to conform to this parking requirement? And when applicants see that and they understand typically that their site is constrained, that there's no solution for that. So they're not moving forward with the application.

Thank you.

Mr. Reynolds.

taking enforcement action on any of the ones that are operating out there?

When we receive a complaint with regard to an Airbnb that is operating illegally, we do go out and follow our typical enforcement process. However, the result of that typically is environmental court. And A judge has not rendered a decision to my knowledge on that. But if you play that forward and if they're not meeting those requirements and they get fined, then the environmental court is not a resolution to stopping them from operating. The real action has to be in the form of some sort of revocation of the business license. So I'll just argue that if we're talking about zoning issues, zoning requirements, land use requirements, site requirements. That is what your zoning process has the ability to oversee. If we're talking about a public safety issue, that's a completely different animal that has to be addressed in some form or fashion. But the environmental court process is not a way to resolve, I think, what I understand, the types of applications that we're concerned about.

So what if... One of these buildings downtown that's zoned for residential use or some other lighter use, and somebody comes in and wants to put in a truck stop. What enforcement, what would we do in that case?

Same process.

You would fine them? Mm-hmm. Per day fine?

Mm-hmm. Well, so let me be clear. We start off with a notice of violation to acknowledge the issue. We give them an opportunity to conform. We find that giving them an opportunity is a quicker resolution than trying to go through the full enforcement process. If after time they do not comply, then we write a municipal offense ticket, and then it goes through the environmental court process.

Okay, but the city has the ability to levy a daily?

for every day that you're operating i'll have our city attorney address that my my experience with that is again that's not been a good enforcement resolution

Certainly no enforcement is certainly not a good enforcement resolution either.

So, you know, we tried our best not to deal in hypotheticals. And so we just come back to reality for a second. We want to talk about what we're dealing with. So what Ms. Bigelow said is correct. That's our normal process. The problem is, the problem is, is what we are running into is the law often doesn't catch up with modern times. And this law that Ms. Biko is just talking about is not designed to handle this problem. It's not specifically, and I'm not saying it's poorly designed. I'm just saying it's not designed to handle this problem. Think about it. An Airbnb or a VRBO are all new. I mean, they're relatively new. And so we have to find a new way to deal with it, whether it's issuing a business license or this process. I know, for instance, this particular one on the agenda, not the outcome most people probably wanted. We're going to have that happen more and more until we do exactly what Mr. President just said, take a look at this and find a viable solution, no matter what that solution is or is not. That is ultimately going to be up to you all on whether we do something, do something different or do nothing at all. You know, that's... That's the conversation I think that we're getting to. But this law wasn't particularly designed to meet this challenge as we see it now because this is not the desired outcome of what you're seeing today.

is it's not the city's choice. I mean, that's what we're all here to do. Look, we don't have to get into all this. This is one deal. I think I agree that we need to have some additional discussion about this, but I wanted to make sure that it was known to everybody Part of that discussion has to be the government enforcing the law that has already been passed. And right now it's the Wild West. Nothing's being done about it. Just talking about it. The law has been passed for four years. Plenty enough time to have done something. That's all I'm saying.

Mr. President.

Hold on, Vice President.

Mr. Kandon, Vice President. Thank you, Mr. President. I have a question. In this particular case, is it because the containers are

What was that in parking?

In the parking. In the parking. In the parking.

Okay.

This one, it was denied based on the trash.

Right. That's the trash. Okay.

That's the denial basis. Yes.

Okay. So, of course, we see the word shell in that, and that basically give us the situation where we can't modify or waive. If that just word was to change, would it now be able to come back to the council? And we potentially, just one word, if we was able to change that from in-

Yes. I mean, so that's law 101. The word shall means must and may means choice. So that's one solution. So what I would ask is that let us continue to not only put solutions in front of you, but talk about viable options because, I mean, Mr. Reynolds asked a phenomenal question is, according to who? Well, it's actually according to you all as the governing body. That's according to who. So if... If five people raise their hands and say yes, then it's.

And I guess that's my statement. If five people say we're going to change the word from shell, meaning from shell to musk.

To make.

I mean, not make.

Yeah, you got to modify. Right.

Yeah. But that's a process. Yeah. So but the short answer to your question is, yes, you could you all can make whatever changes you all desire to make as long as there is a consensus. So it's up according to to you all as a governing body.

Thank you.

Thank you, Vice President.

Yeah, I think Ricardo and Shayla and a bunch of us know that we have been dealing with this for years, trying to figure out what to do with Airbnbs and VRBOs because, like you said, it's the wild, wild west. We had no zoning to deal with any of this. We had to start... way behind as it were to figure out how to do these things because we were getting all kinds of complaints about party houses, about parking everywhere, you know, trash all over the place. And sometimes it's out of town companies who own these places who are renting them like a hotel room, basically. or a condo to come stay in Mobile and party and bring your family and all your friends. And there was no way to enforce any of this stuff because we had nothing to give our folks other than maybe a waiver of the noise ordinance or pick up your trash. So we have to be really careful when we start getting back into this. We have a company that I think is now on its second year that is trying to track these things to try to collect the taxes because, A, they didn't have business licenses, and, B, they certainly were not paying the taxes on the rental money that was turned in. They were collecting the rent, but they were not paying taxes on the rent. So now we are trying to track that in order to get the taxes that are owed the city. So we are way behind the curve on this. I think when you say shall and may, when you say may, that means you can bring 15 people in 15 cars, and they'll all park all over the property and all over your street. You know, we have to be careful about these things because you're putting them in residential areas sometimes. So when we go to look at the UDC and trying to amend it, we've got to be very careful about what we do. Enforcement's very important. If we can beef this up, I think we need to do that. Certainly the beach communities have been dealing with this a lot more than we have. David Clark has been a big help on this because his folks in the hospitality arena have been competing with the Airbnbs and VRBOs, but not on an even playing field. So David brought us the company to help us track David, do you want to add to my rant?

Just add a little bit of commentary, sure. So one thing to note, it is a Tourism Improvement District key provision that the city enforced the collection of that, and that was last year. Furthermore, the alarming growth, in 2016, we have specific data that 13,000 room nights resulted being booked in 2016. At the end of 2025, 200,738 room nights were booked. So 550 units are being booked. That's kind of similar to occupancy, and when you take, that's like adding eight hotels to the market. Okay, so Granicus to vice presidents, has the addresses, they know who they are, where they are, how much they're booking. And our lodging entity, Mobile Area Lodging Association, doesn't really mind what they do. They just want to make sure that they are remitting their taxes too, just like our hotels are. So I think there's a partnership here involved between Visit Mobile and the city to try to get our arms around this. We're here to help however we can.

And again, I'm all for looking at the UDC again and trying to see what we can work out. And it may be that there is some sort of overlay where we can help to make it a little bit easier and better and better enforcement in areas where most people tend to want to have Airbnbs or VRBOs and that kind of thing. So whether it's the trash receptacle issue, and we could find a way to figure that out, the number of parking spaces, that kind of thing, because again, most of these are residential homes. in residential areas. And we have to be cognizant of that fact that do any of us want to live next door to a place like this when it's a party house? Or do we want to live next door to somebody that's acting as a family? We have a lot of different examples of people who come and need to stay here for any length of time. They could be visiting professors who want to be there for a week or two weeks close to South Alabama. I mean, they would get an Airbnb. I mean, there are just lots of different you know, reasons for, for having these and for folks like CJ's constituents, I think we need to try to work with them as best as we can to make it good for them, good for the city and good for all of the other neighborhoods and neighbors who are around them. So, you know, looking at it again, I think is something that we can all do.

All right. Councilwoman Ingram.

Thank you, Mr. President. Ms. Biko, thinking about what we talked about in terms of, um, constituent participation. Would this be an opportunity for us to get feedback during that process to make this a part of that?

Thank you. Where the Airbnbs are located. I think this would be an opportunity to hear back from council representation based on what you're hearing from your constituency, because what may work for Midtown may not be the same for Hillcrest Road or Moffett Road. So you're going to hear different feedback depending on your constituency. And it would be helpful to us as we move forward to get that kind of feedback from you all and what you're hearing.

So what I hear you saying is that this would be a good time for us to get that participation in terms of how we move forward in making our decision. And maybe moving, I guess what I'm asking, using that model that we talked about, figuring out some kind of way to use a model that we can allow them to come in, they can hear the facts of what the law is and get their feedback.

Community participation is always a benefit. I'm just... focusing on the fact that I think you're going to hear very different opinions and impacts based on how it's perceived in one area versus another. And, and that, that I think is going to be important to understand because it there's not a one size fits all approach to this is my, my, my point. Okay.

All right. Mr. President. Yeah, Mr. Penn. And I thank you, Ms. Biko. I agree with you. I think every community looked different, um, You know, people want certain things. But I also want this council to kind of be mindful as we move forward with whatever decision is that a lot of times we talk about our city growing. When we go in, in the city, I'm sure almost more than half of people in here stay in an Airbnb property. And so then we're then we come to our city and we say, no, we ain't doing it. We're not going to do it, but we're going to stay in it. When we go to someone else's city, and a lot of the cities that we're going to, we're spending money. We're spending tax money, and that city is benefiting from it. So in these decisions I'm making, let's also be mindful that we want to make sure that we're able to grow the city mobile. And like David said, I think it can be a balance of both. So whatever decision we make, let's just have an open mind and And of course, we've got to represent our residents. But thank you, Mr. President.

All right.

Madam Clerk.

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I'm sorry, Mr. President. Yes. Can we go back to 31701? If we could just get some more information on the actual resilient infrastructure in those areas.

I can explain that one. Thank you. This is a grant request to do design for Montemar Creek. like the replacement of the little small dams that go through there. They're probably, I don't know, 60 or 70 years old or so, I think. That's about right. So this is getting a grant to do the design so that hopefully we can go out for some money where we're not having to spend cash or CIP out of it to repair those.

And my follow-up to that is have we thought about, so once we get the design, are we also looking at our budget to be able to go next to the actual development stage of it, or that's not, this is just the budget? I mean, you haven't thought about that at this time.

We're hoping to get some District 2 CIP funds. Yeah, right.

I'm not talking to you. Good try. So one of the things that we do with projects like this that we know is in critical need of repair is we're looking for grant funding to do to the design because we know time and time again, if we have something funded, the design, it is done and it is shovel ready, as they call it, that we have a lot more play when an opportunity comes up to apply for money to actually do the work. So you see us using that technique across a lot of infrastructure projects. And this particular project is very highly rated for this program because it is a flooding control structure. So that is why we're proposing to use this funding for that. And that's engineering has identified that. And I want to thank you for that, Ms. Green.

That's what I was hoping to hear, that Ben wasn't going to be getting it from District 2, that we are going to be using a grant to take care of this. But just thank you for the work that you all are doing in securing funds. so that we can maximize the use of our resources.

Yeah, and this funding also can include money for construction in the future. So if you have a successful application here, we do the design. We can always go back if it's still on the list as something that they want to fund through FEMA. So these are all really good opportunities that we're pursuing. Thank you. You're welcome.

Mr. President.

I'm sorry, Vice President.

Going back to 25-700, I just want to thank John Forrester and Carlene Stout and Marion McElroy and their entire crew for going out and taking care of an issue with drainage out in the newly annexed area. I guess it's not so newly annexed any longer. This is an issue that some of the neighbors out there had experienced for some time, and it all kind of fell apart. But now we came back in, gave it another try, and I think everybody is very happy with the outcome. You made some of our new residents very happy with this. So thank you for what you all did with these neighbors and getting this work done.

Okay. Madam Clerk.

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Mr. President?

Yes, Mr. Ramos.

That item should not be on consent resolutions. That should be a resolution being introduced.

So it doesn't have a match. That's why we had it there.

I haven't read it. So I'll just put it on consent.

I mean, okay.

Yeah, I mean. Okay.

So thank you for considering this. There is a time constraint. We're working. furiously to try to get the grant application prepared, and the obvious first step is consent from the council, but the grant deadline is July 13th. So we were hoping to get it on the agenda as quickly as we could so we'd be prepared to submit the grant app by that July 13th deadline.

It will. Resolutions.

Resolutions being introduced 01707, authorized agreement with CSX Transportation for Shipyard Road boat launch.

Mr. President?

Yes.

Again, first of all, I think this is exciting news if I'm understanding this correctly. This is a great opportunity for recreational use for our constituents. But would you give me more information on the road boat launch and the location of this?

On Halls Mill Creek, down Shipyard Road. So if you get off on the Rangeland Road exit, go to the four-way, go to Higgins, take a left on Shipyard. It's a dirt road all the way to the end. It's down there on the right is the location. There's really no public boat access for the southern part of the city to Dog River. There's one little small private. access point, a couple of little small private access points, but there's not any public access. So if somebody wanted to use a public access point for launching their boat on the southern part of the city, they're going to have to drive all the way around through NAVCO and go to Dog River Park. So we were awarded Go Mesa funds for this project, and I think part of that grant application was that very fact that there's really no great public access for Dog River on the southern part of the city.

And that was my follow-up question. So is CSX funding this also? No.

So there's a railroad that goes through This area goes over the river and there was a private rail crossing that was there. We're having to improve it to this high standard of rail crossing for safety purposes so that you're pulling boats and trailers over the crossing. You want to make sure that it's adequate so we don't have any snags. And then you have the Amtrak faster train going through there, increased traffic with commercial trains, and so we are having to fund. It's a very unique deal that we as the city is coming out of CIP funds. We're funding the improvement to this crossing, but we have to pay CSX to do it. They're using their contractors, their designers, everything. We're basically just having to give them the money, and then they do it whenever we can get it done.

I think this is a great opportunity, but thank you for the clarification. And just for the public, so it is CIP funds that's going to take care of it. CSX is listed as performing the work, but they're not providing the funding.

Right.

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Thank you, Mr. President. This past week, we had an opportunity, myself, Dr. Ingram, and I believe President Small did the same thing with a cleanup. A couple things as driving through the community and cleaning up the community. Notice some municipal enforcement issues, not just from residents, but as well from businesses in implementing the things that they should be doing, cleaning up their area. I'm just requesting that we kind of start highlighting focuses on not just residents as well, but as businesses in the community. paying attention to it because it's a reflection of our city. Our people are driving in our community. They have to live in our community. Um, and they are seeing this trash. Um, so we can, um, my request is we kind of look into that. Um, so we can make sure that we have a beautiful neighborhood. Thank you, Mr. President.

Yeah. Councilwoman Inger. Thank you, Mr. President.

I want to echo that, but I also want to, again, just, um, ask administration to look into the dumping of tires, you know, can we come up with a more modern way of tracking that to deal with it? Because throughout the visit, you know, throughout the cleanup, you could see, I mean, every area we would find a set of tires. So.

I guess I'll address that. We've actually been pushing ADEM to to give us an interagency agreement to enforce from the city standpoint. We've not gotten there yet, and I did follow up on it several times, and we're still waiting on them to put in. Even though the statutory authority is there, it requires this agreement between us and ADEM. And so we're trying to get that agreement. They've never done it before. They're creating their own policies. My concern is... If that department changes at the next elections, we may be starting all over again. So we're trying to find a workaround. I haven't had a chance to talk to Ricardo about it, but to see if there's something that we can implement to begin tracking these tires and how they're being dumped in our community. Thank you.

Chief, would this be something that the legislature could actually implement? help us with?

The legislators have already done that.

They've already done it.

They've enabled, they've got enabling legislation for cities to enforce these ADEM regulations, but now we have to have an agreement with ADEM to allow us to do it. And so we're teed up to do it, and it's taken a couple of years, and we still haven't gotten the agreement.

So we don't really have any other method of picking up the tires and disposing of them, anything different than what we already...

we are picking them up um and we're getting right of entry to go on a private like the old mha property to get all those dump sites cleaned up and so we work with them on that i think there's some barricades going in to try to stop some of that dumping and it has improved but they're still doing it we have put out surveillance equipment and we have caught people doing that but we still need a stronger enforcement method and so that's what we're working on

Yeah, and I know too, and y'all probably ran into this during your cleanup, some of the neighborhood associations will go and pick up these old tires during their cleanups, but then they don't have anything, they don't know how to dispose of them.

Yes. Yes. But, you know, these tire shops are collecting $3 per tire to dispose of them properly. But then they're just keeping the money. But we want to be able to go in and inventory what they're taking off of cars and be able to somehow account for those if they show up in our dump sites. and have some enforcement mechanisms to do that. And so the other thing has to do with transporting tires in our city, and it has to do with requiring permits on the transport vehicle so that we make sure that they're disposing of them properly. Because it may be that the tire shop is paying him $3 a tire, but rather than go to a landfill, he saves that extra money by dumping it. So we are working on it, I guess is what I'm telling you. But the legislation's there. We just got to get the interagency agreement.

Yeah, because I have seen some tire shops that have stacks and stacks of these old tires just sitting out front of their property.

I agree. Thank you. Just to follow up on what previous our attorney has stated about getting the addresses and Chief Barber, what you said about the cameras. The biggest issue that I had this weekend is that we have plenty of volunteers to show up, but we would just walk with a streetcar. We instructed them not to go on private property and for them not to go on private property. That's what the trash was. And, you know, you get the addresses. I mean, We can't do that all day long, you know, because there's plenty of addresses of trash on these private properties, especially abandoned properties. And, you know, talking about that, we're putting out surveillance cameras, you know, and y'all caught a couple of people. I don't understand why we don't turn them over to the news media. Because if I know I'm going to be on the news for dumping some tires, I'm not going to do it. You know, if I think I'm going to get shamed from dumping some tires or doing something illegal, you know, just say if I go and rob a bank, you think I'm going to rob a bank? I know all these cameras around here and they can put me on the news. No. So I don't understand if I had caught those people dumping those tires, why we didn't turn it over to the news station or put it on social media or somewhere and say, hey, don't be like these people. That would slow it down. These people know, you know, they're not going to be, you know, whooped or chastised. They're going to keep on doing the same thing over and over and over. I mean, it's cheaper to pay $15 fine or $100 fine. I'd rather do that than versus get shamed on Channel 10 or some type of social media platform. But again, I think that's what we need to do as a city to really put these people to shame, especially if we catch them on cameras. And also, we need to go ahead and find these businesses and private property owners. Because again, that's where all the trash was. And a lot of trash we had to leave behind because, again, it was on private property. And we can't go on private property. How can people get shot trying to clean up some other property? You know, so again, as Councilman Reynolds has stated earlier, we just need enforcement and the enforcement that we, you know, we have and we put them into play. I mean, pretty much we have a cleaner and brighter city.

Okay. Two things. Mr. Reynolds, I appreciate your comments. I'll be introducing an ordinance and I don't know the coming weeks or months still working on it to enact additional legislation that was provided to us through the state to the treat excessive junk and debris on private properties the same way we would the weed lien process. So they expanded that to us. We just haven't enacted on our own. Jonathan and I have been working on it for a number of weeks and months. So we'll get something introduced sooner rather than later. The second point is we can pass all these laws, but it's June now, about to be July. We've got a budget that's coming up in October. They're going to introduce a budget to us. in that budget we've got to be considerate of the resources that are allocated to address these issues so you know the municipal enforcement department i've been advocating for years to try to get them additional resources over there but unfortunately when when i bring those things up or we have the budget discussions nobody likes to take the money from somebody else and put it in their department so i think as we approach this budget we really should get serious about allocating the necessary funds, not pulling it from the unassigned fund balance to prop up the budget, but look at some other categories in the budget. And it's just a harsh reality is we're going to have to, unless they introduce something where they've already resolved it, we're going to have to pull some money from somewhere and put it into municipal enforcement to give them the resources necessary in order to enforce some of these things. So just want to put that bug in everybody's ear.

just to avoid you doing something like that. I've already talked to CJ about beefing up that particular item. Okay.

Okay.

Because we know what will happen. Vice president.

Yeah.

We don't have many today. So let's just go back over and decide which of these resolutions that we can And it looks like only the last page, 08-711 through 08-713. Okay.

Any objections? Anything else from this council? Anything from the administration? Okay. We see each other downstairs at 1030. Okay.