City Council - Regular Meeting

uh and get people and get the right personnel there dispatching, but you also have to counsel them through that um and stay on the phone with people and and be there, be a listening ear and and those types of things through it. So, you've got to be a crisis manager at the same time. You got to be a little bit of a counselor all packaged into one. And so, it is a it is an incredible job uh that these folks do day in and day out, week in and week out. um uh not too many people know, but we receive about 40,000 calls a year into you know the the department for calls for service. In addition to that, our department will dispatch internally about another 20,000 so 60ish uh and some change that that our officers are going out on. But calls into our office about 40,000 a year. And these are the folks that uh that take those calls. So it is a pleasure and honor to uh to do this yet again this year. Whereas over 1,200 telecommunications cers and dispatchers daily serve the residents of Harris, Fort Ben uh and Brazorya County by answering their calls for police, fire and emergency medical services and by dispatching the appropriate assistance as quickly as possible. And whereas public safety telecommunicators are the vital link between citizens and the emergency services they are in need of, whether it be police, fire, or emergency medical assistance. And whereas telecommunicators are professionals whose multitasking behind the scenes and often unrecognized actions are responsible for helping protect people and property. And whereas professional telecommunicators work to improve the technology and operational capabilities through their leadership and participation in training programs to improve their skills and prepare for 911 calls uh from different uh devices. And whereas the

Greater Harris County 911 Emergency Network wishes to join uh with the state of Texas and the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America and other 911 entities across the country in setting aside the second week in April to recognize telecommunicators for their crucial role they play in protection of life and property. Now therefore, I, Kevin Cole, by the power vested in me as the mayor of the city of Perland, Texas, do hereby proclaim April 2nd, excuse me, 12th through the 18th, 2026 as Public Safety Telecommunicators Week in Periland. Uh, and I ask all of our citizens both near and far and joining us as we recognize the important work uh these folks do as the first and most critical contact our citizens have with the emergency services. again given under my hand and seal today, the 13th day of April. It's a privilege and an honor to do this. Who's accepting? Miss Calvan, I believe.

Come on down. And uh do you want to say a few words or I'm going to say like Chief Spires always says, you took a page out of my book already. So uh I try.

I will tell you that the citizens of Periland are truly blessed to have this amazing group of uh people. Um this group of people not only meets the standards we are constantly striving to exceed the standards and that's what we do here in Periland always pushing the envelope to meet to exceed the standards. So this team just last month we answered almost 12,000 administrative and 911 calls in one month. Our service level was at 99.7 and our QA scores are at 97% which exceeds the national three seconds on the first ring. You're we're answering that line. So when I say that we're doing an amazing job, these operators here are doing an amazing job. So thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Where did Clint go? Clint, come on down. You get to present this one. Not sure if there's anyone here from our uh In fact, uh Chief, you want to hang for just a second? Uh I don't know if we have anybody from our crime victims. Oh, here we go. Okay. Wanted to make sure. Okay. We have one more uh here to present. I've asked Mayor Pro Tim to help me do that. Thank you, sir. It's an honor. Um, proclamation from the office of the mayor, city of Periland. Whereas child abuse abuse prevention is a community responsibility and finding solutions depends on involvement among all people in communities to promote and implement programs that benefit children and their families. And whereas there were 534 confirmed cases of child abuse, zero confirmed deaths related to child abuse or neglect in Brazoria County 2025. And whereas effective child abuse prevention programs succeed because of partnerships among agencies, schools, religious organizations, nonprofit organizations, law enforcement agencies, the district attorney's office, the department of family and protective services, and the business community. And whereas every community should become more aware of child abuse prevention and consider helping parents raise their children in a safe nurturing environment. Therefore, I he, Kevin Cole, by the power vested in him as the mayor of city of Parland, Texas, do hereby proclaim the month of April 2026 as child abuse prevention month in Perland. I ask all citizens both near and far to join me in urging all citizens to work with child abuse prevention agencies to significantly reduce child abuse and neglect within

our communities given under his hand and seal of office this 13th day of April 2026. And for those of you that that don't know, April is child abuse awareness month. Um something that's near and dear to my family's heart. And so I appreciate you letting me be a part of this. And that 534 confirmed cases, that's a lot. We're grateful that there's zero deaths, but we want that 534 to be zero. And that's something that we can affect as a community by speaking up, by providing services, by connecting families with agencies in our community that help prevent child abuse and neglect. And here in Brazoria County, we want to put every effort we can. and here in the city of Parland, we want to put every effort we can to stopping the scourge of child abuse in our community. So, I'm very thankful to be a part of this. And would you guys like to say anything either?

That's handed at me. Yeah, she was terrified as soon as you called us up here. So, um, no, and just to touch on what you said, council member. Um, so we last week we just celebrated with our annual pinwheel ceremony where we place pin wheels out in front of the police department to signify all these abuse cases. So, it's something that we work with council, with the mayor, with um with our community partners to bring awareness to this time of month. So, please, I mean, feel free to go check it out. It's pretty impressive to see. It's uh it will open your eyes to what's really going on within our county. So, uh this is important. Thank you very much. All

right, mayor, you can start in three, two, one. All right, we'll call the city council regular meeting agenda for Monday, April the 13, 2026 uh to order at 6:33 p.m. Uh if you will all uh join us by by standing, we're going to be led in an invocation by Council Member Carbone, followed by uh Council Member Fernandez on our pledges.

Thank you, Mayor. If y'all would bow with me. Dear heavenly father, uh thank you for another beautiful day in this city. Uh thank you for all the uh individuals and families represented here tonight. Be with those that are protecting our freedoms overseas and here in the states. Be with all our all of our first responders. Uh keep them protected and get them home safely to their families. Please be with us. Help us to make decisions that are honoring and pleasing to you and get us all home safely tonight. It's in your name we pray. Amen.

Y'all will join me in the pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Now the Texas flag.

Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee. One state one and indivisible. Thank you. All right, moving. Thank you for that. Uh, moving forward in our agenda. Roll call and certification of quorum. Madam uh, Madam Secretary, I'll certify we have a quorum present as all members are present with the exception of council member Patel uh, who is out due to a death in the family. So, uh, condolences uh, with the Patel family. Uh moving forward, citizens comments. We do have several uh that signed up to speak. I believe one in general comments. Uh we'll call on uh that person now. The other uh specific to an item and we will call those names up uh as we get to each individual item. Mayor Prom, if you'll proceed. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Quinton Wilts, you'll make your way to the podium. State your name for the record, and you have three minutes. Thank you for being here. Uh Quinton Wilts 1325 Echo Harbor. Uh thank you all for uh for this opportunity. Um I'm here on behalf of residents in uh the city of Periland. As some may or may not know, I'm actually seeking an opportunity to represent the city. uh and many of you up there have the distinct honor and privilege of doing so. Uh and in this course, there have been several people across the city that have reached out uh for help. Um there are residents who are currently suffering with water problems, groundwater,

smells, uh quality and uh I do not have the power uh to help them other than by advocacy and that is why I'm here. They've reached out and I've directed them. Some of you may have gotten emails or phone calls uh but I don't have the power to help them other than to advocate and speak on their behalf. As you know, many of them are commuters. They can't be here. Uh they have child care or other family uh things to take care of. And so on their behalf, I'm here asking you uh council mayor uh who have the power to help them uh please. Um I know there are city staff have taken certain uh steps to do some things but uh I don't believe it's enough. Um so I would offer some suggestions. um maybe uh to help them. Uh one uh people can't bathe their kids or take baths or showers and maybe the city can offer vouchers or partner with local um businesses like HB or Kroger to offer them uh clean water or drinking water. Um perhaps the city uh can open up uh different places where citizens can bring samples for free testing uh so that uh they can rest assured that the water that they are either consuming or putting on their bodies uh is safe and that they have reassurance. So here I'm only here I'm here as a resident. I'm here as an advocate. I'm here as a citizen uh just trying to use the power that I have as a resident to advocate uh

for people who cannot be here for people who are just looking to be provided the basic services as a resident of this great city of Periland. Thank you. Thank you for those comments and that's all we have for public.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Wils. Um, David, if if you've got two seconds, could you step out with Mr. Wils real quick, maybe walk him, I see Zach here as well, uh, with some of what we've been doing recently with some of the conversion, but also maybe specifically if there's areas of town because every every area of town is different and so if if we're going to diagnose something, we need some of that. So, uh, if y'all step out and get that, that'd be good.

Thank you for that. All right, moving on. the other ones we will call as we get to those uh specific items. Uh with that uh consent agenda, I believe we're pulling D. Is that correct? So, Mr. Kos, if you would uh present consent agenda items A through E with the exception of D. Yes, mayor. Uh consideration possible action on consent agit through E with the exception of D. So move. Second. We have a motion and a second. Madam Secretary, call for the vote. Member Kosa. Hi, member Carbone. Hi, member Chavia. Hi, Mayor Poten Byum. I member Cade stepped out. Fernandez. Hi.

The motion passes 5 to zero. All right, Mr. Co, if you uh present D and then Yes, mayor. Consideration possible action resolution number R 2026-66. So moved. Second. We have a motion to second. Uh staff report. Is that that was item D. D. Yeah. Okay. All right. Blowers.

Thank you, mayor. All right. So, this uh resolution amends a previous action uh by changing the vendor name is the first thing it does it does. Uh in that original quote where that was approved um that resolution had or the quote that was used to develop that resolution had both ET uh the rep for the product and Kaiser the manufacturer on the quote and the reso and contract were for Kaiser. when we in when it was invoiced uh from ET and after confirming that was correct, we need to change that vendor, it was intended to be ET from the beginning. Uh so that's the first part. Um and then uh since those temporary blowers were installed and has got the plant operating um back closer to where it should be and normal, um we've been going through the team's been going through an evaluation process to determine what blowers to move forward with permanently. Um and that evaluation really has concluded at the end of last week. Um so we know what we're moving forward with now. So those new blowers uh will be instal ordered and installed uh through the recently awarded maintenance contract. Um and so in the meantime, those take about a fivemon build. So we need this extension of the the temporary blowers uh to get to that point. So we recommend approval. Thank you, Mr.

Co. I think you pulled this. I did, mayor. Um, David, I just want uh, you know, and and uh, here again, I appreciate your sincerity and honesty with uh, the last time we had a a talk about uh, maintenance in regards to this. Is this kind of our continuing problem at Reflection Bay where we had lack of maintenance?

It is, sir. We're we're finally at a point where we have have u kind of draw drawn a line and ready to move forward with a permanent solution. And uh unfortunately the all of the blowers there we've got in a replacement program and it's within the the maintenance contract that we that we have. We're going to do two a year and and just replace them and even and over the next three years uh have all seven blowers replaced. Okay. And the plant back to full capacity.

Okay. That that was going to be my next where where we stand what other things might pop up down the road. So, uh if if you're telling me this is kind of the end of the road, I know the last meeting meeting before we approved contract to be able to get you down the road with taking care of stuff. So, I know we're addressing that and I know we're going to, you know, get back on track and and take care of this stuff, but I just wanted the reassurance from you that uh we are, you know, this is the last chapter hopefully,

the last one that we are aware of uh you know, and and we greatly appreciate the the uh the approval and and it's just good that we're of the same mind. I know Carlos truly appreciates uh the funds. I don't know if you've met Carlos Lopez. He's the uh asset reliability coordinator. He really appreciates the ability to do his job and have funding to do it. So, thank you. And I appreciate that that he's going to take care of it. So, thank you very much, guys. I appreciate it. Uh that's all I had. All right. Good deal. Uh any other questions, follow-up comments with that. Madam Secretary, call for the vote. Member Kosa. Hi. Member Carbone. Hi. Member Chavia. Hi. Mayor Poam. Hi. Member Cade. Hi. Member Fernandez.

I. The motion passes six to zero. All right. Good deal. Uh, moving forward. Public hearing number one. Katia, if you will um read into the record the uh the reason uh for the public hearing and move into your staff report. We also have two I believe it's the applicants that are here that signed up to speak. So, we'll hear from them here in just a second.

Thank you, mayor. Good evening, everyone. This is a request by Thomas Forsner, applicant on behalf of Periland Storage LLC and Al Coker owners for approval of a zone change for 13.147 acres of land from general commercial district to planned development generally located south of Nap Road east of Main Street here in Perilland. The applicant's intent is to reszone the property to allow the light industrial development of this site. As of today, we've received zero written comments and phone calls. Note, a legal ad was posted in the Paraland News reporter. We sent 15 letters out to property owners within 200 ft and a notification sign was placed on the property by the applicant. Shown on the screen is an aerial and zoning map of the property. There are a bunch of surrounding uses varying from commercial um intensities as well as Hickory Slooh, a cemetery and some office warehouses. The future land use map has this area identified as manufacturing and warehouse. And this case may have started to sound familiar to some of you and that is because in January this case was uh unanimously denied with a straight zoning change from general commercial to M1 with direction to come back for a PD or to consider a conditional use permit. A PD workshop was held on February 9th of this year and this case was heard at the March 30th meeting and the planning and zoning commission recommended approval. Shown on the screen on the left side is the design plan that the applicants have provided in their packet. You can see two access points on Nap and Maine as well as the 173,000 square foot

industrial building with surface parking, internal drive and internal circulation as well as surface parking. And within the plan development, the applicant has identified some internal signage and external signage that will be placed identifying where trucks can and cannot turn. Shown on this slide is a rendering of the proposed building and wanting to share a little bit about the plan development. Happy to go over some of the stipulations or have that time to ask the applicant as Mayor Cole said they are here tonight. But overall, this PD has a list of 59 uses that are currently permitted by Wright or by CUP in the M1 district that are identified as prohibited in this PD. Additionally, they have nine added uses and modified to indoor only with this PD. This PD identifies increased setbacks, landscaping, screening requirements, building articulation and lighting requirements and screening for outdoor loading docks is a requirement. And overall, um, if this property was developed as general commercial, there is a chance that there would be more traffic if this property wasn't developed as the proposed PD. Looking at the criteria for approval of a zoning change, this plan development meets the four identified criteria. And expanding on the first criteria, it continues to meet the comprehensive land use plan, thoroughare plan, unified development code, and utilities. And therefore, staff finds that the requested PD meets the four established criteria for approval of a zoning change. During the planning and zoning commission meeting, there were

identified areas where the PD needed some um grammatical improvements and text changes and those were changed before the first reading of tonight's council and therefore staff recommends approval of the proposed plan development. As previously stated, the PNZ looked at this proposed zoning on the 30th of March and overall shared positive comments and therefore voted six to zero to recommend approval. That concludes staff report. I'll pass it back to you, mayor.

All right, thank you for that. Uh, see the applicants present. Do you have an u presentation or just here to answer questions? Okay. Uh, my name is Eric Oliver with Junction Commercial Real Estate of Houston, Texas, and I brought along Joe Flint.

Joe Flint Lang Lang Engineering, civil engineer. Um, I appreciate the council and the mayor's opportunity to come back. U as, uh, PNZ said, this should look familiar. Um, I think this is the third or fourth time I've stood up here now. Um, and so, uh, it should be, uh, pretty familiar to you, but wanted to clarify a few things I know were of concern. Uh, and I think we've done a a pretty good job of addressing. Um, so I'll skip through just, uh, put Junction's experience in here again, but, um, as I've said, we're a very active uh, industrial developer in the city. um uh in or in the greater Houston area uh with plus or minus uh 3 3 million square ft under production right now. And then just a refresher um on the project here. Uh we're looking at uh providing a uh very modern and uh clean looking 173,000 ft² uh industrial distribution uh building uh as a speculative de development that will be um utilized primarily for indoor um uh indust. Here's I just wanted to kind of touch before we get into I know the traffic portion, but um and uh staff did a uh great job of kind of heading heading me off here on this one, but uh just wanted to stress um you know what we've done here in in the PD um in an attempt to make uh you know an industrial distribution fit the corridor overlay district uh make it a building that's uh pleasing for everyone to look at uh and that generates you know revenue for the city and benefit for the citizens around it. Um, we've really taken a lot of those uses out of the light industrial, um, that we know drove concern about a straight zone change to light industrial and pulled those out of this PD um, and really just focused on the uses that, you know, we see this um, uh, fulfilling uh, as a speculative developer. So, a lot of those uh, outdoor, you know, borderline light industrial to heavy

industrial uses I think were of concern have been pulled out of this uh, PD From a traffic perspective, um what I wanted to highlight here, uh if you look at the chart I have on the screen, um is the current permitted use right now as it sits as a general commercial building. uh without having to go through any type of PD or CUP or anything uh of that nature. Uh we could currently provide a use on this site that would generate somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,200 or 316 trips a day uh split between trucks and uh residential uh light light vehicle traffic. Um and then that split, you know, this is a projected split of what we would see that um just based off of typical use for, you know, if you think retail um uh or warehouse type retail buildings, um strip malls, things of that nature would generate these traffic counts in the neighborhood of 3200 vehicles a day. dropping down to the light industrial traffic and Joe's here to answer any specific questions on that. But looking at our TIA on the project or our traffic impact analysis and what is going to be running in and out on a typical light industrial building of this nature um based off the square footage, uh we're looking at generating a total of 37 trucks a day and 49 truck uh 49 u cars or uh you know residential vehicles. And again that is a formula that um that our engineer has produced based off standard TIA um applications and evaluation processes. And then on the bottom here uh is what I have projected for what we typically see historically in these buildings um uh here that we develop. Uh just a reminder that you know on a a typical tenant of ours in a frontload building like this is going to run operations from uh 7 8 in the morning till 5 6:00 in the afternoon standard business hours. Uh this isn't a 24-hour operation like like

you kind of think about Amazon's or larger buildings like that. This is a uh during the working day type uh business. And we typically see something of this size generating about 19 trucks total a day and 35 uh vehicles a day for traffic and that would be the workers and and people coming to and from the building. Uh in this scenario, the product will typically come in um you know, stay within the building and then um you know, be distributed out. Um and I know we've discussed uh a lot in depth and detail. Uh we anticipate the majority of our traffic coming north uh uh from the beltway and then or excuse me, coming from the north, south from the beltway and then exiting the site and proceeding north straight back up um to the beltway. Uh so some of the things that we've added in here um just for knowledge uh I know we've received some questions about queuing uh queuing either on Main Street or queuing on Nap Road. Uh I put some dimensions in here. Um you know we have roughly 630 ft of drive from Nap Road where we see the you know uh the primary traffic coming in from a truck perspective. Um and so that um you know will eliminate any need for queuing on Nap Road. those trucks will be able to approach the site and enter directly onto the site uh and then proceed to the truck court. And then from Main Street, um you know, we're coming in and entering directly into the truck court from Main Street. Uh so no queueing there as well. We will also provide some signs. I think there's been some examples of them. Um but no queuing signs uh just to, you know, prevent that. Um and then uh monument signs at both Main Street and Nap Road to identify the turnins uh for the trucks so that you know really it will really limit or eliminate the possibility the trucks passing the site and ending up in the residential neighborhood um beyond Nap Road or beyond the entrance along

Nap Road. Um and then of course as we leave the site, we've got also um signage that will be put down and striping on on the um pavement itself and signage, you know, no trucks uh no trucks right turn, no trucks beyond this point, etc. Uh to limit that, you know, uh temptation or confusion to turn right out of um the site on Nap Road and head into the residential um residential neighborhood. And just to reiterate again, we see the trucks coming in along Nap Road, distributing the product within the building, and then exiting directly back onto Main Street and proceeding north uh to um to the beltway. Uh in some sub subsequent slides, I can uh show uh what we anticipate the alternate route is. If a truck is coming south and they miss Nap Road, how are they going to turn around and get back uh to the site? Um and then I think it's worth mentioning that we have received um text dot approval uh for the drives that you see on the screen here. Um that's kind of happened between we went through PNZ and when we've got here just our continued work on the uh project but uh the site plan that you see in front of you um text has approved uh this drive uh for this. We looked at several options um with both the HVAC company uh south of us and with Mr. Coker uh who sends his apologies. he cannot be here tonight. Um, but looking at evaluating where we were going to put this drive on the main street and whether or not we needed the Nap Road site, um, after talking with Mr. Coker and what was best for his business, that's what kind of led us to get the Nap Road access behind him and purchase that from him to come out to Nap Road rather than try to share a drive access with his employee parking and his business as well. Uh looking at the next slide, um I just put this up just to kind of highlight what we really think is the alternate

route. If a truck misses coming south, you know, if they leave the beltway, they're proceeding south, they miss Nap Road. Um in this scenario, that is the uh purple um arrow in diagram. Uh they would proceed down to 518 or Main Street. uh and then loop back around um uh that way um from from coming from the west back east. Um and then of course uh we have traffic uh coming from the south is the yellow and traffic coming from the north is the blue and then the red is the um prohibited route for trucks uh on into the neighborhood to the east which again um you know we will control that uh with one um a tenant understanding of the truck traffic routes and the inability for trucks to proceed east and then signage for those truck drivers um that you know come in that aren't necessarily owned or associated by the tenants that'll be in this building. The other thing I wanted to highlight was just that I know uh we've brought up a few times the detention and just a reiteration that um you know really what we're doing here is kind of a a regional or area detention project. Um we've you know uh I'm sure the city's well aware of Mr. Coker's issues with Brazoria drainage district number four and then the associated um you know drainage issues kind of in that area and we really feel that our project solves that for everyone and is a win-win for everyone in that area. We're going to provide detention for Mr. Coker um and ample detention to kind of alleviate some of the drainage concerns in that area and uh again discharge directly into Hickory Slooh. Um, I got it right that time. Hickory Slooh and um uh and then that will continue on down to uh to Clear Creek from there. I believe that's uh the last slide. I can remain up for questions or um come back.

Okay. Yeah, we'll do the uh open for the public and then we'll come back for questions. So, I'm sure we'll have a handful for you here in just a minute. We'll open this uh public hearing up for those in the audience who would like to offer testimony for or against this proposed request. Thank you, sir, for coming out. When you go to the podium, just give us your name uh there and you've got three minutes to speak.

Thank you. Sorry about that. My name is William Whispy and I'm a resident of uh the neighborhood behind this development. uh I'd like to take a moment to thank the uh planning commission, the council, and the developers for all their hard work in trying to make this fit the area. In my opinion, it does. I'm in favor. Um there are concerns that I think have been met. You know, the intersection of Nap Road and Old Alvin is not suitable for truck traffic. An 18-wheeler can't make that turn. So, I think that's been addressed. Um it would be nice if we could get a little bit of help with the uh left turn on 35 headed southbound. Um if that light could be that left turn could be made permissive that would help prevent queuing on 35. I don't know if it's possible with state being a state highway and whatnot and three lanes but overall good to go in my opinion.

Thank you for that. Second call for those wishing to speak for or against this proposed request. Third and final time, those wishing to speak for or against this proposed request. Seeing no one moving in that direction, we'll open up for questions, comments, concerns from city council. Mr. Kosa,

I can kick it off. Thank you. Give a couple seconds to get to the work instead of having a delay there. Um, Eric, thank you for being here again. Uh, I'll start off unlike last time where I uh let you know I'm not a pessimist for this. I I want it to work. Um, I see uh the different slides that you have uh submitted uh here in far as far as how the traffic is to move around. Um, but we have signs all over this great state uh that tell us what speed limit we're to drive and people uh do what they wish. Um, so my concern here again and and it's with the routes and whatnot. I know you've submitted one in here that's you know not approved um as far as what we talked about last time going south to Mard coming back around Old Alvin um and then back up to uh NAP to get into your facility if this is uh approved. Um, so with that being said, um, you know, I assume that when you have this one route like I just discussed, you're you're saying that's not going to happen because of signs. Is that a safe assumption? I think there's a two parts to it. So, um, really, you know, signage leading up to the site will be kind of what prevents these drivers from missing the site, right? and um addressing I think we need to work very closely with the city when we address this uh as as a physical address of where that's off of to help those truckers um those truck drivers find it. Um, and then two, it's it's uh really, you know, conversations and covenants within our leases with tenants that understand the importance and, you know, because a lot of these uh a lot of these tenants will um own or not own but employ these these drivers, right? This isn't a distribution facility where um you know, lots of different companies are sending trucks to it. Um so it's

discussions with the tenants, it's understandings with the tenants of what's permitted in our PD. Uh and then it's signage to prevent the misses. Um and um addressing uh obviously to your point, you know, if a if a truck driver misses it or turns on the nap and gets upset that he's missed it or turns too late, you know, uh we can't physically be standing out there and and stop him, right? Um but we really feel like with signage leading up to it, monument signs to market, we can prevent the, you know, non-permitted routes from happening uh in the first place.

Yeah. the intents there, which which I appreciate that. Um, so are you telling me that this facility uh won't have much truck traffic outside of tenants driving, not people uh delivering? Because that was one of my concerns. Uh I I deal with truck drivers on a regular basis and they pretty much have a mind of their own. Um and I can tell you that you can make appointments, you can do this, you can do that, and they are all over the map. Um because one of my concerns why I asked that question is let's say somebody's delivering something they're coming from Friendswood moving down 518 and they're whatever map system they use routes them up old Alvin.

Um they don't push it all the way to Main Street because it's quick. Boom. Here we are and we're coming up the back road. Um, as we look at Old Alvin, the city back around 1617 made Old Alvin between uh 518 all the way up to Mard concrete curb and gutter.

Um, and going north it's two-lane asphalt open ditch and then of course Nap Road is as well. Um, so if a driver is to come from Friendswood and doesn't work for a tenant, their ability to come in that route, um, is is there. And, you know, whether they get there and notice a sign, not notice a sign, whatever that might be, who knows? Um, maybe they take a left on the card and come up 518, I mean 35. Um, so, so that's a possibility. Um, another thing during the uh, planning and zoning meeting, one of the commissioners had inquired about what happens if they miss your entrance. Uh, somebody gets a phone call, somebody whatever starts texting, they're looking at their phone, piece of paper falls off the dash, whatever, and they move. There's no way to turn around. Um, except down app down old and come back around and and that route. Um, so these are things uh that I mentioned um because my experience with uh a two-lane asphalt road um and several other tenants on First Street, which has nothing to do with you, but the city came in one day. It was a two-lane open ditch asphalt street, and they converted it to a four-lane concrete curb and gutter. Um and the day they did it, I thought it was a little bit of an overkill. Um, but I can tell you since it's been built that way and having that as a function for allowing trucks in and out, um, it really was needed. And what was interesting is it amazes me because it's a deadend road up against the railroad tracks. How many truck drivers cannot go in reverse? Um, it it's amazing that

they have CDLs and I would think that would be part of what their training is, but evidently they pass without that or they don't want to do it. I don't know which. But in in this case, what what I've gone on this long about, and Matt, if I could uh get your attention, uh, is I would like to see one of two things. Uh the uh I know we've talked about since uh Hanover has uh come into play on the north side. Uh my first thought was a fourlane uh along NAP um for several reason. One, queuing take a left, queuing taking a right. Either way, I feel that that's warranted uh at minimum. Um or if we could elicit the services of the EDC to help with it's approximately a half mile uh on uh old Alvin from Mard up to Nap to uh bring that into the southern part of it to be a concrete curb and gutter uh albeit two lane. It would be better than a than a asphalt road. Um and it would help this gentleman's uh development as well. Um, so it's something that, you know, as a thought for my rest of my council members,

um, it's something that I think would be warranted, um, to take this away because if we don't, and we do end up, and I'm not saying it's going to be a lot, but we have truck traffic on uh, uh, old Alvin, it's going to be the taxpayers that end up putting this bill, and it's going to be taxpayers on a regular basis sooner than normal um, having truck traffic because I have no idea what the loads um a future tenant that is strictly speculative might be. Um so it's something that I wanted to throw out there for the rest of my council members uh to consider, but also for Matt and the EDC to uh either like I said at minimum make Napa a fourlane road from Old Alvin so that any truck track truck traffic that's there um it does open up. It does help with queuing. It does help the neighbors that are trying to take a right or left because at that point you don't have one truck sitting there waiting to take a left or take a right. You now have opened that up, you know, so it it helps. Um so at any rate, I appreciate your your time and and what you put um from our last discussion because it looks like you had some some thought about what you know my concerns were. So I appreciate that. But I still have uh concerns in the fact that, you know, just like I said, people uh look at a speed limit sign and whatever they want to drive, that's what they're going to drive. And so uh we can do all the preventative side of it, but still have outcomes that we don't want. So, but thank you very much for your presentation and and your concerns that you that you did put here.

All right, Miss Shavaria. Thank you, Mayor. So yeah, that's my concern as well is the traffic impact in the residential area. If you bring up slide 39, Josh, it looks like if they miss their exit to NAP, they have to go all the way around and they're going to go through residential area. So that's really I think it's deck 39 um is 6A southbound, no traffic, non-tra traffic. Sorry. So that's my concern really is that that we're going into residential areas if that's the route that you're proposing. Yeah. Is it not southbound non truck? Well, if they miss nap, they're going to continue, right?

That's correct. That if the nap turn in, they're going to go all the way down. This is for non truck. This is for non truck. Yes, ma'am. That's that's pedestrian vehicle traffic. Uh, non truck traffic if it misses the southbound nap turn would proceed to make that 78.

Okay. Well, that answered my question. Thank you. Sorry about that. All good, Carbone.

Thank you, mayor. Um, I appreciate you coming back with the PD. Um, I think it gets us much closer. Um, and I agree. I don't know if if NAB needs to be four lane or or maybe three three lanes with a turn u turning turning uh lane in the middle. Um but yeah, I can imagine I I don't know how even if there's no traffic, it'd be difficult for a 18 wheeler to make that nap to old Alvin turn and it's going to happen. It's might not happen often, but when it does it it's going to happen and if they don't navigate it right, that intersection will be shut down for a few hours. Um, so yeah, I' I'd be interested to see what the EDC board thinks. Um, not necessarily in timing with the project that's already kicked off, but maybe a a second phase that uh that widens the cross-section of NAP all the way to Old Alvin and then uh like Councilman Kosa was saying, Old Alvin down to Mard just so we've got a better loop. still don't want truck traffic on there, but um yeah, in casea in case it does miss a turn. Um and and the one comment I had with the slide that's up does no truck be trucks beyond this point. Where where were you going to put that sign? That is uh one of the signs that we'll put out along Nap Road um at the at the um entrance and exit off of Nap Road to again alert trucks, you know, not allowed behind this this uh or beyond this point into that residential area.

You do you do have some industrial buildings to your east as well, but I think currently it is not a truck route as well. Right. Right. So I mean uh yeah, that it will be for handover. it it will be because handover's uh entrance and exit is past. They're just a half a block on their entrance coming down. So, I don't know if that signage is specifically tied into the PD, but just if we can clean that up. I know the intents there. Yes, sir. But that was the only thing. And again, thank you for going through the exercise and getting the PD. Tim,

um yeah, I'll I'll echo a couple of things and add to it a little bit on the the no trucks beyond this point. That was one of the deals. Handover's entrance is to the east of you. So I don't know if we can allow for something further down the road in the city's right away to put that same sign. But and I mean it's going to be an improved road. Um as far as the route's concerned uh I think you're optimistic. Think if they miss they're going to go all the way to 518 and then come back and come Mard. I think if they miss they're just going to earn Mard. So, uh, I one, I very much appreciate when developers come, they hear concerns, they listen, they try to respond, do the best they can. I know you can't control everything. I would probably recommend that if you're educating, some of this is going to be education for your tenants. If you're educating them, it may be more reasonable to say, if you miss us, Bard Perland Parkway, Beltway, come back down, do it again. um is going all the way down to 518, taking 518, trying to come up Mac Mawa, come back Mard. They're not going to do that. That's that's a long route that they're just not going to do. Um so just food for thought on that. Um I did have a question for you. It did you guys change the elevation some from the last presentation?

Um no, not not significantly. I think maybe there was some different colors in the in the last one, like there was some blue or something shown on it. Um uh but no um it we just did some color modifications a little bit to meet the PD there. There's some requirements in the PD that have you know variances in material um you know uh offsets and color. So we're trying to just uh meet that. But the shapes and the material and everything I think is the same. I think the only thing that changed were maybe the slats between the windows were previously a bluish color and now they're kind of

well whatever it was that changed this has more character to it than it did the last time and and I know I commented the last time that we kind of have industrial row going and the buildings all look the same. So I appreciate that this has a little more variance to it so it gives a little bit of character to the front as well as the screening. Um, I did have a question the last time we talked and you mentioned it that I believe when we met previously and and asked you to come back with a PD, which thank you for doing that. Text dot was not going to allow was it the it was the entrance and the cut through the median or the cut through the median is there but it didn't line up with your entrance. Remind me what that was.

Um, so it's a little of both. There's median cuts there that do not align up with or do not line up with the drive that text dot approved. Um, and they're not going to allow us to modify uh that median. And Joe, if you want to step in, this is the expert that'll run circles around me as far as text. Joe, just give us your name for the record. Yeah, Joseph Flint from Langan Engineering. Uh yeah, the existing median there provides a hooded left for the turn in uh on the west side of the street, but we're not able to utilize that for a left in and we can't modify along our frontage that median anywhere else where it would interrupt uh uh interrupt one of the other uh turning movements.

So to be clear, coming south on 35, your only access is left on Nap Road. Correct. North on 35, you have the approved entrance in off of 35 or nap road. So you got two shots. Yes. Right. Correct.

Okay. So, yeah, the biggest concern that I think anybody has is is them missing that NAP road turn, which obviously it's a traffic light. Hopefully, they can remember to use a traffic light. There's going to be some education involved on that. Um, I will say that I have talked to the residents and thank you to the resident that came out this evening. We don't often get to hear people actually show up and communicate with us. So, thank you for doing that. We usually just hear about it later when somebody's upset about something. Um, so thank you for showing up. The concern that that I have heard from residents, I think you you butt up to the property, residents on the other side of Old Alvin, um, is truck traffic coming through there, Old Alvin getting torn up and things like that. I know that when we've addressed it in the past, staff has mentioned we have our truck enforcement officers. And so I think you're you're hearing for sure there'll be there'll be concerns be voiced if that becomes a truck route when it's not supposed to be and and have officers out there. I do like I made note of that. I like hearing that your tenants will likely own the vehicles. That gives you a lot more control. Say, "Hey, if you want to operate out of this facility, you got to follow the routes." So, I appreciate that. I would like to see what we can do to improve Old Alvin and Nap for those exact reasons. That corner of Old Alvin and Nap is tough even in a regular four-wheel vehicle. So, you start trying to make that with an 18-wheeler. I think what's likely going to happen is they're going to drive straight into that neighborhood towards Glenda and try to figure out how to back up. And like you said, they're not great at backing up unless it's to a loading dock.

It'll be worse if it's in a neighborhood. Yeah. if they don't go south and come back around, it will be 10 times worse than that.

Um, so with this, it it seems to fit everywhere. I And I'll say just from the development for any party, anybody in the development community that that listens to our meetings, when we have meetings and we give feedback and a developer takes that feedback and actually does something with it, that gives it a whole lot more of an opportunity to actually get approved by council because you're trying to work with it. So you're you're coming to be a partner in our community to improve drainage, to improve traffic, to improve value of the land, and I appreciate that. So I'll support your project, but I would like to look at what can we do uh for the rest of NAP and for Old Alvin as well now that we're making this more of an industrial.

Sounds good, Mr. Fernandez.

Thank you, Mayor. Um I echo what my colleagues have said. Um, I think what it basically boils down to is the concern of them missing the turn. And I I agree with members of council talking about that. I I I just don't see somebody traveling all the way down to 518 u to Macau to Mard and and and circle back that direction. Um, what this boils down to in my in my opinion is that uh old Alvin and NAP need needs to be addressed and I'd like to see what the EDC um can do um or uh their assistance. I I think that the EDC can take a look at this and um and see if this can be improved because like it's been mentioned, I think that's going to create a nightmare. not only the road the condition of the roads right now the the width of the roads the turn radius there's a lot that goes into it so um do I think this is this area is suited for this this project is suited for this area I do um but I am definitely concerned on that roadway around the residents old Alvin nap and so forth thank you

so Matt is this something that you can look into for the NAP and Old Alvin. Can you take a look into that for us, please? We can look into it. I think it would be hardressed when we've talked about the 20% projects to do a project like this that would be, you know, surrounded by residential streets. And you know, this would be a if NAP is $7 million, this is I just measured 4,000 more feet. So this would add another 1417 million dollars on top of that to make it just like what we're going to make NAP. If that if that's the vision, I I don't know if that's the vision. Uh but that'd be a significant significant expenditure

between between the two uh developments. Yes, it's an it's a high dollar expenditure, but what we're getting in return for both of these these are high dollar taxable assessed value as well. And you know, to to alleviate issues with the neighborhood, I think it's well worth taking a look at. Definitely.

Kate. Oh, okay. Uh, real quick, um, put the circulation map up real quick. Have a quick quick question. And again, this goes to educating educating residents or uh educating the vendors that come in and out of there. Probably instead of going down all the way to Broadway and over, uh best place to take them is to Orange. Orange is concrete curb and gutter. It's already been upsized to an industrial uh truck traffic uh situation. We've got some pipe yards off of old uh excuse me, off of Orange. Um and we upgraded it for that purpose. So instead of coming all the way down to 518, they can just go to Orange, over to Maca, back up to Mard in there. That cuts some of that circulation off. Um, and soon to be whenever we get Maca widened, uh, it's going to be a much for the truck drivers that miss it, it's going to be a much uh, safer route than going the other way. The other question I have is to addressing and I don't know uh if this is an engineering question uh or not, Lorenzo, but seems to me uh most drivers, truck drivers and others, they're they're using some kind of a map program to bring them where they're coming to, right? And if the address is on Main Street, they're going to go through. NAP. If the address for delivery is on NAP, it's going to take them to NAP. So, it seems to me we need to This isn't part of the PD. This is logistics afterwards, but the addressing of this I would think might need to be on NAP. So, we actually get trucks down NAP as opposed to missing NAP road and they go, "Oh, I could have turned there." And that's for those that aren't coming necessarily all the time. And so, uh, once once they have established traffic

and established people who are coming and going, it'll it'll be like second nature to them. But for those that don't, uh, I think that we we'd have a better chance of doing that. I don't know the rules on addressing Lorenzo. So I don't know how that that works when we plat it and and and do all that kind of stuff because the building is over off of, you know, Maine, but we've got that driveway access off of off of NAP and that's what we're trying to encourage. So uh hopefully we can assist in that and how we get the addressing done. So I think that's going to fall in Vance's house and maybe he can maybe they can have a their their main address off of Maine because that's where the building is, but a shipping address off of that would

Yeah. We can visit with um our we don't have a dressing coordinator anymore, but we can visit with GIS and review the u review the SOP for that. You can see the building does face SNAP. I think it's a big contributing factor. U but glad glad to look for either a shipping address or if the primary I know the applicant has expressed they don't mind if it was a NAP address and so we can we can certainly review that. Yeah, I I just think we'll have better success at getting it there if MAPS and and everything else is directing them to to Nap Road. So, all right. Uh, last call. Questions, comments? Do you guys have any follow-up questions, concerns, comments?

Uh, no. No follow-ups, questions, or concerns. I just appreciate the opportunity to come back and hopefully we can get this through and um and dive in uh with the city and with Joe and start some design and get a project going. Okay, Vance, you guys, any followup, Trent? No, we'll we'll have the discussion with EDC. Uh my only other thought was if if that's something that uh we can't get moved forward, you know, do we look to the developer on a contribution to maybe help the intersection of NAP and Old Alvin to make those radiuses better?

Maybe some All right, sounds good. We'll close this uh doctive public hearing and we'll move to new business item number one. Mr. Carbone, would you place that on the table, please? Thank you, mayor. Consideration possible action first reading of ordinance 200M-282. So moved. Second. We have a motion, a second. We've had questions, comments, concerns from council as well as staff report. Madam Secretary, call for the vote. Member Carbone. I. Member Chavia. Hi. Potmbbarum. I. Member Kade. Hi. Member Fernandez. I. Member Kosa. I. The motion passes six to zero.

Thank you, fellas. Uh, with that, we'll move to new business item number two. Miss Shavaria is going to give the motion, but I believe Lawrence is going to read the full text. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. Consideration and possible action resolution number R2026-68. So moved.

A resolution of the city council, city of Periland, Texas, authorizing the power of eminent domain to acquire one a 0.0829 0829 acre fee simple interest for a public road right ofway and two a 0.0417 acre easement for public water line and sanitary sewer improvements both s both situated in a portion of a 0.4579 4579 acre tract of land conveyed to Chaung by deed executed December 31st, 2010 and clerk's file number 2011 0001608 in the official records of Rosora County, Texas situated in the HTNB RR company survey abstract number 304, Rosoria County, Texas, authorizing the city attorney or his designate and other city officials to take such actions as are necessary to acquire said property located within the city by donation, purchase, and/or by the exercise of the power of eminent domain.

So moved. We have a motion in a second. Quick staff report.

Mayor, this is actually in relation to the Smith Ranch PID that was approved. Uh we need to make those improvements in that area. Uh I believe it's Smith Ranch 2 Road Future Wooten uh and the intersection of Smith Ranch Road um to to get the sewer improvements in that area. There's a portion of it that you you need the intersection uh but that portion of the intersection is needed to get the water I'm sorry the the sewer line and the water line uh in that area as well. So it's a combination of those things. But um really the impetus for this tonight is the um the sanitary sewer improvements uh to get to that area as part of that PID. Um were it not for that I don't think we would be seeing this tonight.

Okay. Any comments, questions? Thank you, mayor. So we have we heard anything from the property owner?

I apologize. I should have indicated that as well. Yes, we had reached out to the property owner. Um we we made the offer. We gave the initial offer. We gave the appraisal. We gave the fair offer letter uh at one point in time the property owner said I think I should get paid more um but never gave a counter offer. Uh so of course we are absolutely happy to entertain uh continuing the conversation and negotiating uh however in order to move forward with the improvements and meet our deadlines I think with that project we we really want to move forward with the eminent domain. It doesn't close the door to negotiation in any way whatsoever. Uh, and if there is a reasonable counter offer provided, of course, we're going to consider that whether that happened before or after the petition is filed. Any other questions, comments? Seeing none, Madam Secretary, call for the vote.

Member Chavia, I may prom. Member Cade. Hi. Member Fernandez. Hi. Member Kosa. Hi. Member Carbone. Hi.

The motion passes six to zero. All right, moving forward in our agenda. Um, other business, mayor, council issues for city council. We have a discussion, possible action uh regarding mechanical concrete. Um, uh, Mr. uh, Mr. Kosa and Mr. Carbone, place this on the uh, place this on the agenda. And we do have one uh, person that signed up to speak to this. Uh, so why don't we go to Mike first and then we'll go to the council members. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mike gets make your way to the podium, sir. You would just state your name for the record. You have three minutes. Thank you for being here. Name is Mike Gats. I resident of Fairland since 1980. live at 255 Green Tea and uh I appeared two years ago in March meeting asking for the consideration of mechanical concrete for the pilot project of roads in Perilland, Texas. Trent and I signed a memorandum of understanding in 2025 to pave 150 ft of NAP road. We are hoping the pilot project will begin soon. Please refer to the packet of pictures that I gave you. And I'm really only going to talk about that first one because that's the main one that relates to Nap Road. My opinion, the most important one is again the one that says Liberty Tire Recycling on it. You will find the letter the letterhead at the top. Testimony is important because this road is very much like Nap Road. It's an industrial hall road which supports many large off-road trucks daily.

Let me quote from Tim Landers of Liberty Tire who was had the road put in by us mechanical concrete. He says over 12 years ago we contracted a vital hall road utilizing tire cylinders to support the daily passage of large truck off-road trucks. This road has constantly provided a firm and stable base even under significant heavy duty use. The testament to the structural integrity of the tire cylinder base is the fact that the only maintenance required since its construction has been routine upkeep of the road's running surface. Mr. Lander also considers continues with a significant reduction in maintenance costs and the decreased wear and tear of our fleet of off-road trucks highlights the substantial economic and operational benefit of this application. You have any questions, I'll be glad to answer them.

All right. Thank you, Mike. As we go through this, we may have you back up for uh for some questions here in just a minute. So, I'll turn to Mr. Kosa. You asked for this uh initially obviously seconded by Mr. Carbone. So kicking off.

Thank you, mayor. Um yes. Uh so uh the reason for me doing this twofold. Um one uh this has taken approximately two years to go through um to uh to get to this point. Um, in in my opinion, uh, to to do 150 ft of test road, uh, what we've, uh, put Mr. Getats and his company through has been kind of painstakingly uh, tough. Um, uh, to to sit here and and go through this and and try and get something to see if it works, doesn't work, you know, it it's had a lot of roadblocks. Um, with that being said, uh, they have supplied stuff. We did get some information, a letter, uh, at our CIP meeting that had a letter along with, and by no stretch of the imagination am I an engineer. Um, but, uh, had quite a bit of information behind it as to what is right, wrong, or indifferent to, to be able to test this out. Um the strip of road that we're looking at doing um is uh predominantly truck traffic that's either going to be empty or full of pipe. Um there will be uh people going to work in their vehicles getting there and back. But uh out of any road in the city of Periland to to give it uh what it's going to be uh tested with uh is you know a good road to test. Um, I can tell you, uh, Sleepy Hollow, Taylor, over in that area, we had the road, uh, laid, redone within, I want to say probably two months, give or take. Um, the the road, uh, was already falling apart. And here they've redone it, and I don't know if

it's eight months or so, but since then, um, it's already starting again. Um, so, uh, if this product is something that's viable, I don't know. Uh, I hope that through this testing, um, we can assess maybe it is, maybe it's not. I don't know. Uh, and I know that, uh, since I put this on the agenda, uh, we've all of a sudden moved a little quicker than we would have otherwise. Um, because we were starting to move ahead. So my comment I don't know if this is uh for Trent Lorenzo uh from from here what kind of timeline what are we looking at to getting this 150 foot on Nap Road West uh past the entrance to Steamboat Bills uh to where we can actually uh start looking at this. Uh we've taken two years to get here. I'm going to be here two more years. Uh, I think theou had one year of testing. I'd kind of like to see how it's done prior to me getting off council. I might not be here to vote on a road that has it, but uh I'd kind of like to be able to see if this thing works. I'll still be living here in Periland and probably still be able to needle anybody, but uh from that uh I'd kind of like to know what a timeline what we're looking at.

Let me jump in real quick. So based on the discussion at the CIP meeting and the direction we received from generally the the full council, uh we already prepared and sent a letter to Century Road Solutions approving the 150 foot pilot program. Um and additionally just going to let you know what we're coordinating and then uh Lorenzo can let us know what the latest timeline is. Uh but we're coordinating through a professor at Texas A&M who will my understanding install pavement performance monitoring equipment as when the road is constructed. So actually in the pavement itself uh to help us monitor the performance. Um and I but I do want to reemphasize or emphasize that you know future installations beyond the pilot program we still will require u the engineering that we require on all projects which is required by the state of Texas uh to to build anything in the public right away or with public funds. Um, so we've still got to get past that once we get through the the uh uh the uh pilot program. Um, so at this point um it's really just a matter of coordinating schedules and moving forward and and Lorenzo may have some more on where we are with getting the pavement monitoring equipment.

Right. So we coordinated with Mr. Gett and his team um as latest update we got was this morning that they were still coordinating trying to get some schedules together. Um, and they are about two weeks out is my understanding from being ready to start. Um, and so once we get that confirmed timeline, then we'll share that back out with the Texas&M team to confirm that our schedule's aligned so that they can get the testing equipment installed at the time of construction. Okay. Uh, Mr. and just to add, I think the testing equipment not only benefits us, but it'll benefit Century Road Solutions as as they go forward with their product. Yes, sir.

Some questions along that line. Mr. Gats, could you go back to the podium, please? So, w with that information there, uh, as far as, uh, we've got some scheduling that we're waiting on, uh, is what was just said, um, from y'all to come back with us. Uh, do you have since it was this morning sometime, do you have any information as to I haven't seen anything this morning from from Lorenzo or Trent? Okay. Was it an email? Was it a text? What was it?

No, sir. So, it's um Mr. Gets his um asphalt guy or his his contractor is has been coordinating directly with with the assistant director. Um, so we heard directly from Daniel Stucky, uh, that they have about a two-eek timeline, um, to get their schedule coordinated and then coordinate back with us to let us know what the how we coordinate our schedules together.

Okay, that that that's fine. Um, to me, uh, a little bit of miscommunication. I think it would have been best to have everybody involved so that everybody's on the same page, but uh, I I'll leave it at that because Mr. Ducky is not here to be able to ask questions of. So on the uh pavement monitoring, um is there any way to uh the 150 ft or so that goes into steamboat bills? Is there any way to uh implement that into the first 150 ft? because um it's been probably a year and a half that we redid that because we had the Grand Canyon going into Steamboat Bills um that uh uh got corrected so that the the patrons of Steamboat Bills didn't tear up their vehicles. Um is there any way we could also get the same type of evaluation? Granted, it's it's a year and a half, two years right now. So my understanding is that this actually rest within the cross-section of the pavement. So I I don't think we could do the same thing there. Um but we can obviously monitor for the the the surface distresses and things like that. Is that your understanding?

Right. So there will be some non-destructive testing that we'll have to do over that year period. Right. And so that'll be information that we'll gather. We'll collect that information and then share that back to the Texas A&M team and then they'll provide some conclusions back from uh both sections.

I understand that. Where where my frustration comes from is I was kind of hoping to get both sections done at the same time so that we had the same weather, we had the same everything to compare two uh types of of base and and we passed on that which is fine. Um that's that's water under the bridge, but um we lost that ability to do that when we took two years to get where we're at right now. Um, so as far as uh requirements that uh that are needed to be able to spec this if it if it performs, um, I would hope over the next year um that between Lorenzo's team and Mr. Gets company, we should be able to come up with what they need to be able to bid this. Would that be a safe assumption or is that a four-year process?

No. So, we typically don't provide the specifications. I understand that, but I need the communication between the two so that we come up. I like I said, I am no engineer. They're in this packet right here is quite a bit of information. Um, some of the comments that were from your staff asking about how screws and nails go into tires. When we build a form to lay concrete, do you ask how the nails and screws hold boards together? Not in that sense, but in in the sense of constructing actually constructing the roadway and what's what's underneath the pavement or underneath that that holds it all together.

But if this is not a structural component, if this is holding it together to be able to put the aggregate into it, it's just like a nail on a form board. So, but this is actually this is a structural component that's a part of the roadway. So that component is actually included in the specifications and or in the in the construction detail. It's a it's a Mr. Gats, do you have whether you or steel belted radial? Hold on. Either you or your engineer is is the screw or nail a component that is structural or is it strictly to hold it together?

First place. My last meeting with Trent and Mr. Lorenzo, we had Eddie with me and we answered all the questions and I said, "Is there any more questions you have for me?" And Lorenzo said, "Yeah, you tell me three different stories." And I said, "Wow, what do you mean three different stories?" He said, "Well, you can nail them. You next time you say you put screws in, next time you put clips on them." I said, "Lorenzo, it's three different options you have, not three different stories. Or you don't have to use anything. It's just you put the nails in so when you put the aggregate in the sides don't collapse. That's the only reason the nails are there.

Which are three different approaches to installing those tires. The other issue that I'll I'll share with you guys is Mr. Kur did start off on the project. The report that you guys have in front of you is not something that's sealed by Mr. Kur. So the challenge has been actually the communication piece of it. So we get a different person that reports back to us each time. And so that leads to this where we see this two-year window of us getting stuff back. Um the communication piece has really been a challenge where we've been consistent with reporting back. Um just getting responses back has been difficult. And so getting everybody on the same page where we got Mr. occurs here today and another person that signed and sealed that that drawing, that packet that's in front of you. That's completely different. In the engineering world, you typically only talk to that one person that's signing and sealing that report. So now you got two different engineers that associated with this project.

I took this report right here that I have in my hand, showed it to an additional engineer and asked them if this was enough to get the job done. um not going to share with you who it is but it was an engineer and when they read it they said yes to so just to put that in context is that for the pilot program or for doing for the pilot program okay and I think that's why it's taken two years I I have a lot of heartburn to two years for a pilot program I

I understand and I think when we when I we first met with Mr. gets. We talked a lot about the engineering and what was really we needed to see to try to move forward with and that was what was documented in theou and I think after additional discussions additional discussions with uh commissioner Ramsey at Harris County and his folks were ready to move forward with the pilot program.

Well and and they did it without everything right here. I understand that they were and I don't I don't understand with other places uh other states um it it seems to me that we had a roadblock for whatever reason whether it's staff didn't want it whoever I don't know um but what I have been through and what I've experienced it's like y'all didn't want it and I can tell you at the end of the day when we sit here and spend $2 million on vehicles in a heartbeat because they're sitting on a parking lot and then we take two years to get them in service. It's the same kind of feeling that I have. I I don't understand when we have consensus up here at the dis which we did and out of that group there's only three or four of us here today. And so that's why I brought it back because if we needed a vote or if we needed consensus, we could give a clear direction. At our CIP meeting, that's what we gave again.

Yes, sir. we have the clear direction that I don't I don't get when we give consensus from the dis and it drags the way it did. So I appreciate the time and I'll let my fellow council members talk about it and uh but I I've got real heartburn over Yeah. Mr. Carbone, you were second on this.

Yep. Uh not not to beat a dead horse. Um sounds like we're moving forward uh on our quarterly CIP updates. if we can drop a slide at the end of every one of them just so we can make sure the project keeps moving forward. Um just so we can all put eyes on it um as it progresses. Sounds like everything's moving forward, but I think having that that quarterly uh quarterly check-in will help make sure that we don't end up here two years from now. Mr. Gats, real quick, um can we get a single point of contact to make sure that that is streamlining with staff? come right through. Come to me.

So, let's let's make sure we have a single point of contact. If you change people within that contact still needs to flow through you so we have accountability on how we're getting information back. Um Eddie, I have a question for you. Um and I know you didn't seal what what Mr. Kosa has. Um, I think one of the one of the drawbacks or the trouble that has been here is is getting an engineer to actually seal plans. Um, have have you been able to take a look at this and actually seal put your seal on plans? And go ahead and give your name for the record, Eddie, real quick. My name is Eddie Kurst. Live at 1908 Lazy Creek Lane here in Heland. Uh the engineering analysis that was done I believe by DM Kenny Kenny with CDM. Uh yes, I would seal his engineering analysis. I would seal his cross-section design based on his ASHTTO 93. He he went through and did all of the all of the technical stuff that I don't do. as a civil engineer that's not my specialty but it is his I have reviewed it and like we all do in the in the engineering game when you have you know senior engineer and you have young engineers or other engineers working for you you sign other people's work as long as you're comfortable with it so yes I would sign the documentation that he provided I I've read it I agree with his analysis and and his conclusions.

So Trent, when did we get that signed information? Maybe that that's an analysis. So I mean that's a little bit different than asking someone to design and seal a set of plans for a specific roadway. So is that hold true for that as well?

Yes. I mean, and for this job, like you said, this is 150 foot strip and what we were what we were what Mike was asked to provide was the analysis, engineering analysis, a cross-section. So, what are you going to do with the dirt underneath? What is the base, the mechanical concrete? What is the surface course? And can you put that together? So, for now, do we have a plan and profile drawing for 150 ft of road? No. Uh but since it is it is a 150 foot test job and

I I agree we're ready to move forward with the 150 foot test job. The question was more for if we hired you to go redesign in another roadway. Yes. Based on Kenny's report, Kenny's analysis, the specifications that I wrote, which I think that's really what what we've been looking for is that there's an engineer willing to sign and steal a project moving forward. So it sounds like sounds like we have that now. Yes. So if you ask me to do Ham Road and S seal and sign it. Yeah. So Lawrence, why is it important that we have and again test project is one thing. Um go do another, you know, full section of road. Why is it important we have stamped plans?

I would say other than the fact that the state of Texas requires them. Although it's going to be my first reason. Um but uh yes in the occupations code um construction of certain public work certain public works projects require that the engineering plan specs and estimates have been prepared by an engineer. Um but uh ultimately what you go down to is um I'm going to say accountability um and liability. Uh so um switch over to a different screen. I think that most folks are familiar with the Texas Tort Claims Act and how you can have liability for different types of things. Um, but outside of the TOR Claims Act where municipalities can be liable for certain types of functions, uh, there is what's called design immunity that is part of sovereign immunity. And when you go to design a road, um that that design immunity is going to be there as long as the roadway plan and design met current engineering standards, which is why we're trying to get to the stamp. Um and then it receives the discretionary approval from that engineer and then finally the design was um implemented as approved. So we we really need those things to happen in order to prevent liability. And I think in a public meeting, it might have been you, mayor, who had said something along the lines of worst case scenario is we have to tear out the road and rebuild it because it failed. And and that's never a lawyer's worst case scenario. A lawyer's worst case scenario is a truck is driving down the road and something fails and there's a passenger vehicle next to it. when that happens. Um, we want to make sure we're not in that type of situation. And I think that when you follow what was in theou, I think that

Darren when he approved theou and drafted it, he made sure that those things were in there, which is why he was comfortable with it at that time. A and it all comes back down to that engineering approval on that design set. Yeah. And and what we've had delivered to it from CDS um, you know, was signed and sealed in February of this year. So February 26 is what was what this is showing uh revived. So any other questions, comments on this end? Oh, go ahead. If he if he's got something, go ahead. I I want to ask something about Lawrence's comments.

Thank you, Mayor. Uh Trent, just one question. Uh and this also goes uh handinhand with what Eddie just said. So just a question. Um, if we've been waiting on or looking for a seal and he just said that he could have done it, is this the first time the question was asked to Eddie if a seal if he could certify it and seal it?

Probably directly like that. But the first meeting we had year and a half, I can't remember when it was a couple years ago. The first meeting we had that Mr. Gets brought in Mr. curts to the uh curse to the meeting. We had that discussion of um and Eddie and I have known each other for a long time. So my comment was Eddie, you know what we need here. If we're going to ultimately build this in the city of Periland, we need an engineered signaled set of plans, specs, uh estimates, and all the things go uh are associated with that. And so, um, you know, that was had then, um, and now that some of the engineering work has been done, that's the first opportunity I've had to just see if that would be applicable to an actual project versus a pilot project as well. So,

okay. All right. Thank you. If I might throw in when we were talking about the pilot project and and Trent, correct me if I'm wrong, we weren't talking about sealing and signing doing plans sealed and signed for the pilot project because it is a little 150 foot strip. So, so Trent's right. I was never asked a direct question about if we asked you to do another road, a full road job to the answer to that question would have been yes. Well, back then it may have been different. Now we know a more. Thank you, Eddie. Thank you, Mr. K.

Okay, Trent, my question might be stupid, but um does it does it have to be NAP road if if what council member Kosa brought up if something or you somebody brought up maybe it was Lawrence that truck fail uh trucks and passenger vehicles side by side and the road fails or something. I

I think NAP road's the right application here. It's it's a heavily uh truck trafficked road. It's almost exclusive truck traffic. Um you know the what's there you know hasn't held up over the years obviously because of that type of traffic. Um I think it's very similar to what um Harris County uh chose to to do their and they did it inhouse. Their pilot program uh was on a a road that that is heavily truck trafficked. Um, so I think it's a it's a and and then that also gives you a really good test of of seeing the effectiveness of the the structural integrity of the of the product. And and if I can throw in we we also

the first 150 ft from 35 West was just done a year or so ago. So we put this in the next 150 ft. Standing there looking at both of them and that that's kind of why we chose that, right? Yeah, that was the other reason. Yes. Thank you. I was just curious. Appreciate it, Mr. Kza.

Um, Lawrence, we you brought up a a liability issue. Um, I appreciate that. Um, I have had multiple constituents ask me about Plum Road prior to it being done. Um, and basically, uh, I the their concern was a bus ting because the offset between the center of the road and the right that it's sloughed off, the bus looked like it was going to turn over. Um, I would think that under basic construction, letting that road sit as long as we have, we would have liability in that if a bus ever turned over. Would that be a fair statement?

Uh, that is possible, sir. Yes. uh under the tort claims act uh where we wave liability. The the third there's like a laundry list of things where municipalities or government entities wave liability. The third one is for street construction and design. The fourth one is for maintenance of those streets. So depending on whether the city knew about that, whether it had implemented a plan to address that, um, and those types of things, there could have been some sort of liability for something of that sort. Um, I I don't know the specifics of that case, um, or or that situation, so I couldn't say. So, and I don't want to say that we're not liable for other things or we haven't waved liability for things or the state rather hasn't waved liability for things in the tort claims act. Design immunity is separate from the TOR claims act though.

Correct. I I understand. But I mean we have a school right there. We have a bus barn right there that that gets daily traffic morning and afternoon from buses that we have liability with and not now because it's been corrected. But uh you know it's something that's inherent in roads period because if we let it go that far then shame on us. So, thank you. Mr. Kos, can I say something? Go right ahead.

This is not new technology. It's been around for 15 years. We've had 154 construction jobs that we've done. Not one failure, not one. Every kind of road you can think of, we've even built the road in Alaska underwater using this and it's still perfect. So freezes. We built it in freeze because everybody thinking the freeze is going to affect the roads up in Utah got letters. You'll see them. He they love it. Georgia, we're doing a lot of jobs in Georgia. They absolutely love after they do it. The last row we did last week in Georgia. I'm looking I'm out there looking at the job and there's a house back there. I said, "Who's in that house?" And the commissioner says that is he's just retired. He was the head guy from Georgia DOT. And I said, "Oh, has he seen the road?" He said, "Yes." He came out yesterday, stood in it, and said, "Why haven't you been doing this for years? This is great." Never had anybody have any issues. I don't know what else you want, what else you need to see.

Well, we will we we will give it a year and and we'll have our own analysis. I hope in that year's period that we can get whatever seals, whatever issues that we need addressed taken care of, if it performs uh the way you just stated um because it could be something that we could consider if if everything meets what we need. So, I appreciate those comments and uh like I said, we're going to give it a year to to see how it performs. So, thank you very much. Yeah, I was just going to uh finish this out with, you know, Mike, thank you for hang hanging in with us. Sounds like we're on the doorstep of uh getting that going. Hopefully you can get Daniel, you know, a little kick there and maybe we can get this thing started in a couple of weeks.

I'll call him in the morning. And I and I will say I think I think having&M coming in is is is that tied to TTI, Lorenzo?

Yeah, they have the resources from TTI. But that's if that's tied to TTI, Eddie, you know, that that's going to help you guys way more uh than you than you probably think because that's going to give some real-time data underneath that road uh that can translate to other other things that other entities when you can finally engineers you can finally get things sealed, you know, plans, specs, the whole thing, you know, done. That's going to set your course uh a lot further. and and and I know it's been an ordeal to get here, but we're on the doorstep. So, uh we thank you for doing that. Last call for questions, comments.

Um my only question would be Trent. Uh we don't need a vote as long as y'all have direction to be able to get this moving. Yeah. I mean, we've already got the a letter that we're doing this and we're just coordinating schedules right now. Yeah. Fair enough.

Sounds like theou is still in place and we're good to go. So with that, we will uh close uh this discussion uh item. Uh at that at this time, council is going to recess into executive session under Texas government code section 551.074 deliberations regarding uh the city manager's annuals performance goals. Um Trent, are are we doing the economic development? So we're not going to go into exact session on the other item. Uh, we will adjourn at, excuse me, we will recess at 8 o'clock.

Our uh city council has returned from exact session at 9:37. We'll move to adjournment at 9:37.