Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is the ordinary meeting of the urbanism commission of the county of Will on August 18. I open this session and I ask everyone to rise for the oath of allegiance. Roger, could you guide us for the Sermon on the flag of the United States of America and the Republic that represents a nation under the aegis of God, indivisible, with freedom and justice for all?

May I have the nominal appeal, please? Hugh Stephen? Present.

John Kefner?

Present.

Kimberly Mitchell? Roger Bettenhausen?

Present.

Karen Warwick?

Lewis Navarrete and Matt Garland, present. Seth, present.

We have a verbal trial to approve concerning the public audience of August 4th. I guess everyone had the opportunity to read them. If there is no change, I would like a motion.

I have a motion and support. All those who are for, manifest in saying so. oppositions even if very well it is adopted everyone here tonight please turn off your mobile phones or put them in airplane mode and I will make swear to all those who must express themselves tonight in group please raise your right hand if you are here to speak Je jure de dire la vérité, toute la vérité, et rien que la vérité, que Dieu me vienne en aide. Je le jure. Je n'ai pas entendu, je le jure que les amis. Merci. Notre première affaire ce soir est le dossier numéro Z050. Wait a second. Excuse me. I don't have it. We got it right, didn't we? I'm taking the brushes with the khaki. File. CZ2-625. V26-05. V26-05. And V26-05. This concerns the New Lenox Schoolhouse route and Alec Van Patten will be our presenter. Good evening sir.

Good evening. So yes, I will examine the zoning file 26050. The owner is Jacob Smolinski and he asks for derogations to put the land and existing structures in compliance. This is the property zoning map. The property in question is delimited in red. The property is zoned A1 with an area of ​​1.01 acres and 135 façades along Schoolhouse Road. The A1 zone requires a minimum area of ​​10 acres and 300 façades. The lot was created with an insufficient surface and facade on May 1, 2001, which is after the adoption of the norms in 1978, which makes it an illegal lot. Here is the air view of 2026 of the property with the plot delimited in yellow. The applicant was fined for having built structure in arceaux for his plants without permit. The applicant discussed with the staff how to conform. During this discussion, the staff noted that derogations would be necessary because the ground is an insufficient surface and facade. The staff also noted that the structure in arceaux was impoverished on the lateral and rear margins. Voici le plan d'arpentage montrant les structures en arceaux entourées en rouge. Examinons maintenant les caractéristiques physiques de la propriété. Ceci est une vue de la propriété concernée montrant le manque de façade du terrain. Ceci est une vue des structures en arceaux qui empiètent sur les marges latérales et arrières. Cette vue regarde vers l'est vers la propriété adjacente depuis Schoolhouse Drive. Ceci est la vue regardant vers le nord-est vers la propriété adjacente depuis Schoolhouse Drive. Ceci est une vue regardant vers le nord depuis la propriété, ainsi qu'une vue vers la propriété adjacente au sud. Voici une vue regardant vers le sud le long de Schoolhouse Road et une vue vers le nord le long de Schoolhouse Road. Les demandes de dérogation ont été examinées en fonction des critères présentés à l'écran. L'analyse plus détaillée se trouve dans vos dossiers, mais pour résumer, le personnel estime que la situation est due à des circonstances uniques Le demandeur a acheté la propriété en 2021. Déjà en tant que parcelle A1 non conforme avec une résidence unifamiliale, le manque de taille et de largeur rend impossible la construction de bâtiments accessoires sans dérogation ou changement de zonage. Le personnel estime que si les dérogations sont accordées, cela ne modifiera pas le caractère essentiel de la localité. La localité est presque exclusivement constituée de lotissements résidentiels. À l'est se trouve le lotissement, Kuals Roost, qui consiste en des zones de zonage, R2A. À l'ouest et au nord, il y a des lotissements qui font partie du village de New Lenox. Celui de l'ouest... possèdent des parcelles zonnées en district R2A de New Lenox et celles au nord sont zonnées en district R2 de New Lenox. La taille actuelle du terrain et l'emplacement des structures en arceaux respectent les normes de chacun de ces districts de la localité. The staff believes that the object of this request does not rely exclusively on a desire for profit. The owner seeks to put the land in conformity and to obtain permits for the arse structures intended for these plants. According to the professional opinion of the staff, the difficulty or the alleged prejudice was not created by the owner. The applicant acquired the property in 2021. It was created in 2001. These shortcomings also create a need for derogation for lateral and rear retreats, because the retreats limit what can be built on the property. Therefore, the staff recommends the approval of these derogations. And I can answer your questions.

I have no questions. Does anyone have any questions? Okay.

Derogation. On a part of the surface.

Yes, an insufficiency of surface area was created in 2001, resulting in the current size of 1.01 acres. This is therefore the existing land that he already owns.

There was another one, I think. Ah, but I couldn't see it well and it will come to you. Deep down, when he opens the comments you publish. This one or the next one? Well, I suppose the first one that relates to this. So, directly to the Swedish, A1 or A2?

This one was A1. It was divided earlier, in the 70s. So, it's a legal situation, non-conforming. They obtained a zoning in case they had a derogation for the back-up a few years ago. I don't remember exactly. But yes, it was already legal, non-conforming, since it was before 78. They didn't need a derogation for that.

Not that we change the zoning, but technically, it's not a zoning.

Yes, for the A1, it is not a punctual zoning because it is the only one.

It's an anomaly for this zone, but there is another one right next to it.

Yes, because I see something, I may know a lot of A2. And it is already like what is typically zoned with punctual zoning. It is when you know that you are zoning towards a zoning that is an exception for the zone.

Are there any other questions for Lex? Thank you, sir. Are there any concerned citizens or opponents to this case? Thank you, madam. Is it the owner or the main contact?

We have to move forward, please.

You will present your file and then we will hear what the neighbor has to say and you will be able to answer it. You can come to the podium and...

The first thing to do is to give your name for the verbal trial.

My name is Jacob Smolenski.

Thank you sir.

Good evening, Mr. President and members of the Commission. My name is Jacob Smolinski, I am the owner and petitioner in this case located at 703 Schoolhouse Road in New Lenox. I would like to take a few minutes to explain what these culture tunnels are for, why their current location on my property is essential rather than an accessory, and why the withdrawal request I am asking for is necessary for the continuation of my work. For more than 10 years, I have been collecting directly in the nature of the material for my bonsais. This material is composed of naturally shaped trees that have resisted for decades, even centuries, at exposure to the wind, to the snow, to the sun, as was the case in Europe, in my country, Poland. This practice is focused on the collection of Sylvester breads. Here in the United States, I collect Geneva breads from Utah, Geneva breads from Rocheuse, Pignon breads, Ponderosa breads and twisted breads. Several times a year, I travel for 20 to 25 hours to Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico and Colorado where I get permits from forest services, the Bureau of Land Management and private owners to collect plant material on national forest lands, other federal lands and private lands. Once these trees are brought back to Illinois, I start a recovery process that takes several months to more than a year. This is precisely what my culture tunnels are used for. The trees I collect are often tens or even hundreds of years old, although many measure less than a meter high. These trees need a very specific environment to successfully recover a partial shade, a very strong humidity and protection against the wind. My tunnels located at the bottom of my garden offer exactly these conditions. This is not an arbitrary location and I want to be clear about the importance of this place for this specific demand. Le fond de ma propriété est bordé, au sud et à l'ouest, par de grands arbres matures qui procurent l'ombre partielle. It is also the lowest point of my field where the water accumulates naturally and where the soil never dries completely, which creates the strong humidity necessary for the recovery of these species. These same conditions are also essential for grafting indigenous American junipers with Japanese cultivars in order to improve the quality of the foliage, a process that I carry out at the end of winter and at the beginning of spring. Over the past few years, I have made a substantial collection of high-quality bonsai materials, recognized not only by the bonsai clubs here in Illinois, but also by clubs from other states who buy materials in my nursery for their exhibitions. I have been an active member of the Midwest Bonsai Society for several years and I participate every year in the bonsai exhibition at the Chicago Botanical Garden, the most recent one taking place last weekend. Last Sunday, I was invited to present to the Midwest Bonsai Society my methods of recovery of pines collected in the high deserts of New Mexico and Utah. As a European, I can affirm with certainty that American pine can compete in quality with European silvestre pine as material for bonsai. But pine pines are extremely difficult to harvest and require very specific conditions to survive the recovery process. Very few people in the United States know how to harvest these breads and keep them alive. I have been harvesting them for about five years and I have reached a survival rate of nearly 80%, which I can only accomplish thanks to the conditions offered by my CERTUNNEL. I think I have the largest collection of harvested pine breads in the United States, simply because very few other people know how My objective is to share this knowledge and to help raise the level of American bonsai so that they can compete with the quality of European and Japanese bonsai. We have the potential to achieve this. The indigenous American bonsai nursery is recognized even by Japanese bonsai masters as being among the best in the world. the best in the world is. But we cannot reach this level without the species of the high deserts. These species of the high deserts cannot survive in winter without the protection of the tunnel springs. Without them, the cold rains of autumn and early spring, as well as the melting snow, rot their roots. This is another reason why these tunnel springs are essential. This is where I store and protect my bonsais during the winter. In the summer, the trees are kept outside, and the sawdust tunnels remain empty, with the exception of the one to the north, which houses my cactus collection. Bonjardin successfully passed all the inspections carried out by the Department of Agriculture in Illinois. Inspectors from the Springfield office of the department visited my property to check the absence of plant diseases and pests. Each inspection has been successful and I have the license of pepiniarist of the Department of Agriculture of Illinois, which allows my company to legally ship cacti and bonsais in all the United States. I am also a member of the Cactus and Succulent Society of Greater Chicago for several years. I participate each year as an exhibitor and seller at the Botanical Garden Salon of Chicago A few years ago, I imported cactus sea plants from Japan for reproduction purposes. Vegetable material cannot simply be imported to the United States. My company must have been approved by the Animal and Vegetable Health Inspection Service, the federal agency of the Ministry of Agriculture, which regulates the import of plants. I have the PPQ 187 import permit, which allows me to work directly with the inspection stations of the exporting countries and receive phytosanitary certificates for the plants that I import. These certificates, as well as my license, are recognized by the American inspections at the designated entry point, which allows me to receive plants from other countries legally and in all safety. The cacti that I cultivate belong to the types of Ariocarpus, Turbinicarpus and Astrophytum, and Astrophytum are all classified as species threatened by CITAS, the Convention on International Trade, species of fauna and wild flora threatened with extinction. an international treaty that regulates and controls trade, sale, import and export of protected species. An import permit alone is not enough to import these plants to the United States. For this reason, I also asked and obtained from the AFIS a second distinct permit, PPQ 621, which specifically authorizes the import and export of plants and plant products protected by the CITES. The species of cactus that I mentioned are threatened because they only exist in the wild in a very limited area of Mexico. As they are very popular in the United States, the local populations are sometimes poached illegally and introduced into smuggling, causing an irreversible decline in wild populations. Cultivating these plants legally in the United States, even in a small nursery like mine, increases the available supply on the American market, helps to lower prices and gives access to enthusiasts to multiplied plants, legally rather than poached. These species cannot be cultivated outdoors under our climate. They are extremely sensitive to excess humidity and require high temperatures reaching 43 °C to grow properly. I can only reach these temperatures inside my tunnel cells. The replacement at the bottom of my garden allows the plants to benefit from a full light and optimal temperature in the morning and in the early afternoon when the photosynthetic activity is the highest while being shaded by The junipers mature behind them during the hottest period of the afternoon. These are very demanding species to cultivate and I could not offer these conditions if the wax was located elsewhere on my property. The quality of the cacti that I cultivate in my wax has been publicly recognized. Some of my plants have been bought by the Garfield Park Conservatory of Chicago and are now part of their permanent cactus collection, exposed to the public. As an active member of the Cactus and Circulant Society of Greater Chicago, I was also invited by the club's management to organize a series of recurring meetings in my cells so that members can learn directly how these endangered species are multiplied. As I hope. As I hope to have shown you the location of the serfs at the bottom of my property and what makes this work possible beyond mere convenience. I also want the Commission to know that I took the visibility of these structures very seriously. The serfs are not visible from the road They are located behind my house and my garage. Along the northern border of the property, dense 9-meter spikes block the view. Along the western border, juniper trees and fruit trees, 12-meter deep, also melt. And my neighbor from the west also has a shed and a row of large pipes in this area. I also built a full fence along the western part of the southern border of my property, specifically to mask this structure as much as possible. My neighbors from the south asked me not to build a fence along their return limit, which I respected. But to hide the deer from their eyes, I planted a row of pipes from 1.5m to 1.8m next to the deer, then I added a second row. Behind the first one, to create more quickly, a dense vegetable screen. There is now a double row of pipes along this side. Although this plantation is entirely on my own property, I discussed it with my neighbors beforehand to make sure they were comfortable with it. I tried to do everything that was reasonably possible to minimize the visibility of these structures. Finally, I would like to briefly add what is the difficulty that this derogation is supposed to correct. My property is a little more than 4000 square meters, but the current demands for retreat apply as if it were an exploitation of several hundred hectares, which makes the location that I have just described practically impossible without this derogation. It's a difficulty created by the backward formula applied to a field of this size, and not by a choice on my part, and I have proven it, of a considerable good faith. It's not a pastime, it's a pleasant company. A licensed company, and if I can't keep the seeds where they are, I will totally lose the ability to grow and sell my plants. I own a specific set of federal and state permits, difficult to obtain, a license of a nursery, USDA and FIS permit. For the import of dangerous species, I think I am one of the most important suppliers of high quality indigenous bonsai in the Illinois. If I am forced to dismantle these structures, it will not be. Only the end of my activity, it will be a real loss for the local community of bonsai and cacti, for the clubs that I supply and for the enthusiasts who depend on this material. For this reason, I respectfully ask the Commission to approve this application. Thank you very much for your time and your attention. I would be happy to answer all your questions.

Jean-Denis, to begin with, if you'll allow me. You are obviously a cultured person. Obviously, you are at least bilingual, or multilingual. Why didn't you come to see me? the staff. To know where your property was located and what were the limits before planting all this.

I did, sir. I called the county, but English is not my mother tongue. And when I called the county to ask if I needed a permit, since it is an agricultural land, It's small, but it's still an agricultural land. And I asked, do I need a permit for a certain tunnel, like the one people use for tomatoes, because it's the same construction. And I was asked if they were permanently fixed to the ground. I said no, because they are only metal arches, planted in the ground and covered with plastic. That's all. So I was told that I didn't need a permit. Mon erreur a été de ne pas envoyer d'email. J'ai juste appelé, donc je n'ai pas de preuves. C'est pourquoi je l'ai construit, et tout semblait en règle. Puis, cette année, j'ai reçu une lettre du comté m'informant qu'il y avait une possibilité d'infraction pour ces structures.

Merci pour votre réponse.

Merci à vous.

Quelqu'un d'autre a-t-il une question ?

Je suppose. by looking at the aerial view and the map at the first greenhouse. The one built seems to be the one near the center, which is the largest. Do you know the dimensions of the three greenhouses?

The largest is 20 out of 32 and the two smallest are identical and are 13 out of 30.

Other questions? Would you like to sit here? We will call the concerned citizen. Could you please come closer? Please first give your name for the control.

Je m'appelle Margarethe Marouzac. J'ai quelque chose à dire, mais j'ai aussi des photos que vous pouvez voir pour comprendre de quoi je parle.

Le seul problème avec les photos, c'est que nous les gardons. Vous ne les récupérez pas.

D'accord. Commencez juste là, devant.

Bien sûr.

Should I start or wait for you to watch? Go ahead. Go ahead and start.

Okay. Very good. So I'm here to oppose these four questions for Jacob. I have two points to raise, as well as a few other comments. The drainage problem worries me because these sewer tunnels have thick plastic bases, so the water cannot flow. And so they should have been on gravel, I would say. Thus, the water flows to the limit of my field, crosses the limit of our property and comes to me every time it rains. Now, this heavy rain of August 8 was obviously massive. So 50 feet 15 meters would be much better for me because the sewer tunnels would be far from the limit of my property. I would leave it to the residual water to stay on its property. On August 8, my basement was flooded. I grilled a classic rainwater pump and my battery pump could not keep up with the rhythm of the rainwater and also... What did I want to say already? You said on May 8? Vous avez dit ? Non, le 8 août. Août, vous êtes en mai. N'est-ce pas ?

D'accord.

Donc, ça ne pouvait pas suivre l'eau de pluie. Très bien. Donc, le terrain de Jacob, en fait, vous savez, en lisant tout ça, la largeur lui permet d'avoir des plus petites serres près de sa piscine et même de l'autre côté de sa piscine, plus près de chez lui. It's tight to have the two small ones, but this huge one won't hold. I don't think anywhere because it's too wide and too deep because I looked at the field limits. So the other thing that worries me, it's a kind of visual nuisance. I understand that it has an agricultural zoning of a certain type. And and also 50 feet back are good rules for the management of the territory because it affects the neighbors. So the 1939, which is my neighbor, whose back limit of the field extends its side line to the end of their property. These waxes start at 13.5 feet, 4 meters from their property limit. So from their back window, all their back window, they see these waxes.

Talk about your neighbor, however.

My neighbor. So you're talking about your neighbor's name? I'm just, I'm just noticing. I'm just noticing. Originally, the first wax was the middle one. Donc à 33,5 pieds, 10 mètres de cette limite de terrain, et à 25 pieds, 7,5 mètres du milieu. Donc c'était peut-être un peu plus raisonnable. Mais passer de 13 pour demander 15, puis passer de 25 pour demander une dérogation des 50 pieds, ça m'inquiète beaucoup. Sur la limite de ma propriété, pour ne pas avoir à regarder ses cerfs, j'ai planté une rangée de tuyats parce qu'ils poussent vite. C'était à mes frais. Donc, euh... On the other side, Jacob could move his wax to his pool on the south-east-west side and plant trees, pipes to get the shade he needs for the trees he cultivates. So it would be quite fresh. But you know, you have to weigh the pros and cons. En 2023, d'accord ? J'ai déjà dit que la première serre était à 10 mètres du jardin de mon voisin et à 7,5 mètres du mien. En 2024 ? La construire ? Une autre, une autre serre, à 7,5 mètres de moi et plus loin de mon voisin. Non. Plus loin. Enfin, plus près de mon voisin. Puis en 2025, il a fait une serre. Cette immense serre de 6 mètres sur 10. Je pense que ça a aggravé mon problème de drainage et gâché ma vue. Même si j'avais planté ces tuyards. Et puis j'ai aussi vu d'autres mots comme détresse et difficulté. Mais il a des options. Il a des options et il a de la place pour les déplacer. Et s'il dit qu'elles sont si faciles à déplacer qu'il prenne les structures métalliques et les mette ailleurs. J'aimerais que cela arrive si je m'oppose à ces dérogations et que vous voyez la nécessité qu'il les éloigne des deux propriétés. Il a aussi mentionné dans ses documents qu'il avait demandé les permis de construire après coup. Bien sûr, sans parler du fait que tout cela n'était pas dans l'ordre pour ces permis de construire. A-t-il la preuve qu'il a dit aux autorités qu'il avait utilisé du plastique épais en dessous And I have this in the picture, this thick plastic that prevents any drainage. So you have this 18 by 15-meter surface where all the water has to go to my house because its ground is higher and it likes wet areas. So, of course, all the rain ends up on my ground. Donc, je me demande juste, sans vouloir dire du mal de Jacob, leur a-t-il dit qu'elles étaient sur du plastique? Ça fait une grosse différence. Si c'était de la pierre, la pluie s'écoulerait des serres, passerait dessous. Peu importe, peu importe. Mais en ce moment, ça ruisselle directement par-dessus la limite de propriété dans mon jardin.

Il pose une question.

Depuis combien de temps habitez-vous là? Depuis 2010, quand nous avons acheté la propriété.

Et avez-vous plus d'eau qu'avant, quand la propriété était vide?

Toute l'eau qui descend de la colline.

Non, je ne l'ai pas fait. J'ai eu plus de problèmes cette année, après cette dernière serre, car plus il restreint l'écoulement de la pluie sur sa propriété, plus elle arrive chez moi.

I understand that you are surprised, but... Okay.

I would like to go back to zoning because you mentioned two main problems. I will remove the one concerning what he has under the plants in the greenhouse. The tunnel shelter itself throws all the water on the sides. So it's like when you build a building, no matter if it's gravel, grass or concrete. Inside, it won't change anything when it's absorbed because all the water that fell during these recent storms was flowing on the sides and in theory, it probably even infiltrated under the plastic. So no matter what it has inside, I would like to address the two problems that you raised concerning drainage. So you admit yourself that if it moved the springs, the water would continue to flow. And in theory, if he had an hectare of lawn, he would throw away a certain amount of water. If you add a 0.8 square meter of house, parking and building, it will throw away a lot more water. So the fact that he moves the springs, even if we had the power to force it, will not change anything about your water problem. So there is nothing you told me that allows us to bring you a solution for water. But it would be further from my house. There would be no more land for the water to spread. You're right. From a mathematical point of view, a tenth of a percent, maybe half a percent, would have more chances of being absorbed during a heavy rain. But I know that we are going through a period with about 33 cm of rain. And wherever I go, where there are septic systems, municipal or private, I can feel the water worn out, because the seasonal water level, usually present in March and April, is at ground level. At the moment, everything is completely saturated. So if 5 cm of rain falls tonight, which is possible if this storm happens, no additional water from its way or shelter will be absorbed, whether it is 30 m from your property or 30 cm. What I would like to do is see what we can do to find a compromise other than forcing them to move or to solve this visual nuisance problem that you mentioned. Once again, if we move them 15 meters from the back line of the field, you will probably still be able to see them unless you climb a hill, but you would still see them. So, I don't know what the solution is here.

These paintings he's talking about, which are on his side of the border, would block the view if we moved them.

The viewing angle would change. Well, I don't know what your house is, and about half of these photos were understandable to me. For the other half, you could have shown me the side of the Empire State Building, I wouldn't have seen a big difference. But you're right about that. If we moved them, yes, your viewing angles would be different. And I suppose that someone who is not here, who has no problem, could suddenly wonder why. He no longer sees the greenhouse. In fact, moving the greenhouse from your field of vision could lead him to someone else's. I would like to see if we can find a kind of compromise, because I consulted the zoning code. And I don't know if I have the most recent version, but the staff can help me. It seems that it is eligible for the R2 zone. S'il faisait une demande de modification de plan pour passer en zone R2, mais je n'ai pas vérifié quelle surface de structure accessoire lui serait autorisée. Mais s'il demandait une modification de plan pour passer en R2, ce qui est... Donc, dès le premier jour. Eh bien, s'il le demandait, son retrait de cour arrière deviendrait de 1,5 mètre pour les structures accessoires... À 12 mètres de la structure principale. Donc, j'aimerais voir si nous pouvons trouver un compromis... I wouldn't force him to deposit a request and spend more money. But if he says, it's going to cost me $ 15,000 to move this sister. Or maybe he could come back here and say, let me work with you and plant another row of trees and who will provide a lower coverage. I'm just launching options here because you are completely in your right to ask us to refuse because you don't like what you see. And I'm not trying to minimize that, but I like to try to find compromises. He said to everyone during this meeting.

On peut supposer que les autres voisins savent exactement que cette réunion a lieu ce soir, savent ce qui se passe et ne sont pas là pour se plaindre.

Je dis simplement que vous êtes une voix parmi un certain nombre de personnes. Il n'y a que deux personnes qui sont concernées. Mon voisin, ils ont dû aller travailler. Je suis à la retraite, évidemment. Et vous savez, ils sont sur cette ligne. Et je suis sur leur ligne arrière. So, on the other side, there is the retention basin. We cannot speak on behalf of the company.

You have tried to do it and I know that we have had several times cases where people have sent us emails or documents if they had a question or concern about their life.

So yes, I don't want to speak in place of someone else.

You can only speak for yourself and your property here.

Question on the photo of your basement. Not before this year.

The lines on the walls, is that the height that reached yours?

It was before we built the house. There were people who rented the house and they had neglected the Puyzard pump and left the basement flooded. And so the little lines that you see on the bottom wall come from this flood. So when we bought the house, The man who owned it, rented it, emptied it, the whole house had to be torn down, moved, because they had done that. And that's what's left of me, this water line.

Just as a reference, I just checked the historical average since the beginning of the year, or 25.5 inches of rain falling so far. This year we are at 41.8 and it's for New Lenox.

So this could be an important factor and not necessarily... It's just for info. No, I understand. Only 9.9 inches for June, while the average is supposed to be 4 inches and a half.

Well, and apparently also, I don't know why, but all year long, my water pump goes off, even in winter, because I imagine that the water tank is high in this place.

And you're right. The more he builds structures on his property, yes, the more the water will naturally try to absorb into the ground. You're right about that. But it's not the plastic underneath that causes that, it's the roof. Okay, okay. But let's see if we can find a compromise here. Would you be willing to accept, if he accepted, to add screens instead of moving them? I mean, you don't have to. Just the question. We, this commission, I can't tell you how we're going to vote. He could vote against and then he could be forced to move them. I think I did the math. He has a field of 135 feet wide, 50 feet from the limit of the field. So he has 35 feet in the middle. He should literally align the planks in rows However, he presented me with a legitimate argument on the choice of this area. He wants to try to reproduce the appropriate humidity and climate, or what best suits his plans. I now have a little lesson on horticulture and bonsai grafts.

Well, if you move the two little ones... I suppose your property shares its western limit? Yes, the western limit, isn't it? I didn't realize it was up there. Si vous déplaciez les deux petites vers la piscine, elles pourraient être à l'ombre de la plus grande serre et peut-être qu'ils devraient planter d'autres tuyats à croissance rapide pour fournir plus d'ombre.

Je pense comprendre votre idée. Vous voudriez vraiment qu'ils déplacent les serres. Mais il y a des arbres derrière la serre tunnel. Ils sont jardins.

Ces arbres derrière sont des pins, de vieux vieux pins, des pins vieux de 40 ans. Vous savez, le genre dont les branches sont hautes. Et les autres, on ne peut pas les voir, les petits arbres fruitiers. Les arbres, voyez-vous, c'est une vieille photo, je pense, parce qu'elle montre ma piscine. Mes arbres sont juste à droite de mon abri de jardin. Mon abri. and as directly to the west of the first, the first greenhouse. So I planted a row of pipes so as not to have that. My shelter blocks the first, the pipes block a part of the second and the large, certain branch of the pine blocks it.

Thank you very much.

Would you like to answer him? Yes, I would like to answer. So first of all, the neighbors of the south. So I spoke with M. Michael Malot and he knows that I was asking for a veterinary license with the Department of Agriculture and I asked him, do you have, you or your family, something against these serre tunnels? He said no. J'ai expliqué que je voulais faire une clôture pleine du côté sud, mais il n'en voulait pas, ne voulait pas. Nous avons donc convenu que je pourrais peut-être planter des tuyats. Du côté sud, nous avons deux rangées en zigzag. Il y aura donc comme un mur vert solide pour qu'il ne voit rien. Donc ça, c'est la première chose. The trees behind the sartunnels are not pine trees, they are northern juniper trees. They are persistent trees and they are very dense. So basically, you can't see anything through them. Mon voisin de l'ouest a aussi un abri qui fait probablement, je ne sais pas, 3,50 mètres de long. Et environ 3 mètres de haut. Les serre-tunnels, les petites, font 2,70 mètres de haut. Elles sont donc plus basses que l'abri. In the corner, there is a big wall with multiple trunks that makes shade and we can't see through because the trunks are really huge. There is therefore a shelter, then there is a fence of 1.20 meters high and there is a row of juniper trees. Je ne peux pas déplacer les petites serres vers le nord car là-bas, il n'y a pas d'arbres. Je ne peux pas les déplacer. Par exemple, dans la partie centrale de mon terrain. Let me correct you. You could. I could. This would simply bring you prejudice. It makes no sense. I just want to be clear on the terms here. You could. Yes, I could. But because there is no shade. So the wax in the sun is like a oven. It takes 10 minutes for the temperature to rise to 50 degrees Celsius and everything dies. Now about the water. So, as you said, sir, mathematically, if you have an area that is, for example, I don't know, 10 square meters, and a precise amount of water falls on this area, no matter what you put around it, the amount of water that will fall on this area will be the same. And the springs, there is nothing on the ground, there is a straw that lets the water pass. So, if the water flows around, it also passes below, and this humidity remains in the soil under the wax. The ground on the north side, this large triangle, is the place where, even in the slightest rain, the water accumulates. I don't think we can build anything there, because after each rain, it's like a lake. In the west, when you see this sea over there, there is a big, I don't know how to say it in English, it's an evacuation, like a huge pipe. And this water is extracted from this land.

I think the limit of the land corresponds to the natural environment of the water that is evaporating.

Yes, and even without that, I built these sand tunnels in this area, when they are there, and the land Laissez-moi vous poser une question. Ces arbres sont en pleine terre ou sont-ils Can you repeat, please? The trees you grow. The trees? No, they are not in the middle of the ground. In the tunnel greenhouse, you called them miniature trees, right? So I collect. Are they in pots or are they? They are in pots. No, they are in pots.

So they could be moved without major landfills and everything else. But you always have problems related to the weather. I understand the problems related to the sun. I know how much work it would take to install automatic fans with a thermostat because it was my job. I understand that kind of thing. So, what I didn't understand is if you could move the smaller units more to the front or by keeping the desired temperature if you left them in the same place. et puis creuser un puits perdu le remplira d'eau avec des pierres et laisser l'eau s'absorber et s'écouler lentement ainsi vous retenez l'eau beaucoup longtemps je ne pense pas qu'il puisse le faire car même l'arrière du plus grand est trop proche de la limite de propriété de la femme qui s'y oppose

What I didn't hear you say, I suppose I didn't let you answer his question, but you talked about a closure for the neighbor of the south, but you didn't say anything about a closure on your western border. Where this woman is complaining.

So I'm building this closure. I built it, I built it correctly. There are poles all along the western border, but the boards, Les planches s'arrêtent à la fin de la grande serre-tunnel parce que je fais une clôture pleine. Ce n'est pas comme les palissades qu'on achète ici chez Home Depot parce qu'elles sont très fines, 5-8, et je voulais faire quelque chose de plus robuste. C'est pour ça que les poteaux, le problème c'est qu'on a des vents d'ouest et du sud et ces arbres dans le coin protègent mes bonsaïs de ces vents. Actuellement, la clôture couvre environ la moitié de la distance entre le coin et la grande serre-tunnel. Mais les poteaux sont déjà posés sur toute la longueur. Et je vais... Honestly, these boards are quite expensive because I use boards 1 inch thick. And I don't have the time right now, but next month I will finish the closure up to the upper corner.

I don't know if you've been to Muay-Tha, just next to New Lenox, but the tornado that hit there has cut down trees from 38 to 40 inches in diameter. She knocked down the fences along the entire road.

That's why I made a metal fence. Two-square metal tubes, a quarter of a inch thick. It's very solid. And that's another reason why I can't move the trees in the center because of these winds, while over there, the trees protect the trees. After the storm you were talking about, I had a lot of broken branches in front of my house, big branches, half of the tree. That's why I don't want to move them, that's one more reason. To not put them in the center anymore.

I'm starting to realize that the photos are not all taken from the garden.

I think some come from other gardens, because I can't really distinguish where the fence is or the residence on these images. I thought it was the property on the left. And if there was a fence along this entire property limit, we wouldn't be able to see the serfs.

If you control the space on someone else's property, you have to buy it.

Well, that's why I made this remark. If they came to ask for a plan modification,

He could imagine that he should still move the saw.

No, he's five feet from the bottom. He could leave them where they are, but he should get a modification of the plane. But I didn't go into the technical details. I think he has a 800 square feet cover. I don't know the surface of his garage, so I don't know if he's over this limit and if we'll have to ask for a question for that.

Or not.

There is therefore almost always a solution when asked.

That's why I said to myself that I might be able to find a compromise. And I said, hey, please build the fence or something, because there are photos where I can see what I think comes from the southern limit of the property and your buildings.

I don't think all these photos are recent either.

We had other questions for the staff. These structures in Arceaux are not permanent structures.

They are still considered to be part of the limit of what they can install there.

So it would always be considered as an accessory building area, but for the A1 zone, currently zoned, it is unlimited.

So, can I add something? Je sais que si mon terrain était d'un acre, juste 7 acres, c'est une terre agricole. Si mon terrain faisait 10 acres, je pourrais obtenir des exemptions agricoles. Et je ne serais pas ici parce que... Non, vous devriez toujours modifier vos retraits de construction. Oui, je sais. D'accord, c'est compris, monsieur.

Et nous avons toujours des restrictions quant à la proximité à laquelle vous pouvez construire par rapport à un voisin, etc. Même quand vous possédez 100 acres.

Compris.

And maybe you didn't understand what I was saying. You could rezone this property in R2. I should say that you can try to rezone this property in R2, which would be the residential district for 40 square feet up to 60,000 square feet.

And then your retreat is only 10 feet to the side and 5 feet to the back.

This could force us to prove the illegality and some other things, John.

But it's true, but there's more than that. But that's why I hoped there would be a compromise. May I ask a question to the staff? What height can the fences have in this area? If there is one, can it make a six-foot fence?

For the fences, it depends on the retreat in which they are located. So I don't remember the number of feet per side. I think it's S8.

At the moment, I can make seven feet. It could be seven.

Okay. So the sides make seven feet and the street side makes about four feet. So the back would probably make seven. The back is also seven. That would solve a lot of problems.

The back is also seven. And we can say it clearly by looking at these trees. They do what I like to do. If you have mature trees, you should cut them at three or four meters high to be able to pass underneath, circulate with your mower without being bothered by the branches. That's how she has a very good view of what she may not want to see on your property. And that's where I suppose the tool of closure.

Yes, as I said.

What is on the property? There is a neighbor who collects my videos.

I just don't look at it. I don't look at it.

You know, it's not very good.

Oui, comme je l'ai dit, il y a un abri, puis des tuyats, puis une clôture, puis des... Genivrier persistant de 12 mètres d'eau. En hiver, au printemps, ils sont toujours verts et forment comme un mur. Végétal opaque, donc on ne peut absolument rien voir à travers. And if you agree, I can plant whatever you want over there, even four rows of something to hide all this.

You know, if I could just say a word, my staff recommends approving these derogations. I will vote in favor of these derogations. Regarding the displacement of these tunnels, it does not seem to have a lot of impact, even none, on water issues, especially one year like this one. Secondly, you know, like all these commercial solar installations are implanted in the region, many people do not like to see that. But I no longer really have sympathy for people who do not like the view on the property of their neighbors. And as Kim just said, she doesn't like to look at the property of her neighbor, but that's how it is. So I'm going to vote in favor of these questions.

Do you have anything else to add, sir? That's all, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. All in all, I would like a motion.

Mr. President, file number Z is 26050. Derogation 55. I propose the approval of the derogation concerning the surface of the field, going from 10 acres to 1.01 acres.

I have a motion.

May I have a nominal appeal, please? John Kiffner?

No.

Kimberly Mitchell?

Roger Bentonhausen? Matt Garland? Luis Navarrete. Karen Warick. And President Hugh Stepping.

And same file number, ZZ 26 050. Surrogacy number 26156. Demand for approval of a surrogacy for a minimum-level façade of 300 to 135 feet at... John Kefner.

Kimberley Mitchell. Roger Bentonhausen. Matt Garland, Lewis Navarrete, Karen Warwick, and President Hugh Steppen.

Same file number, ZC 26050. Dispute 2615. Demand for approval of a dispute for a lateral withdrawal of 50 to 13.5 feet.

They have a motion. I made a nominal appeal. Jen Kefner. No. Kimberly Mitchell.

Roger Bettenhausen, Matt Garland, Lewis Navarrete, Karen Warwick, and President Huston.

And the same file number, ZZ 26050. Derogation number 2650. Demand for approval of a derogation for a 50 to 26 feet backrest.

Nominal appeal, please.

Et je souhaite noter pour le registre que, sur l'ordre du jour, le numéro de la dérogation est élisté, mais pas la requête, à savoir le retrait arrière de 50 à 26 pieds.

Kimberly Mitchell, John Kefner, Roger Bétain, Matt Garland, Lewis Navarra, Karen Warwick et le président Huston s'adoptaient.

Our next file tonight is ZC 26 060 and V 26 168. This is Homer Glenn in the Linois. And Margaret Kenny will be our presenter.

Bonsoir.

Quelqu'un a mal mesuré ici. Ils ont coulé le béton.

Attendez. Quelqu'un. D'accord. Dossier de zonage ZD 255. Se déroule à Homer Glen. L'adresse 16123 South Parker Road. Le propriétaire et demandeur est Jennifer et Robert Carbonnet. Et ce dossier de zonage était devant cette commission en janvier dernier 2025. Ils ont demandé six dérogations pour mettre la propriété en conformité afin de permettre la construction d'un pool house en tant que logement accessoire à moins de 17 durs en éclats de quatre pieds de la limite nord de la propriété. Le permis de construire a été soumis. Nous l'avons examiné. Nous l'avons délivré car il était conforme à nos normes. And then, as part of the inspection process, once the foundations flowed, they made a topographic survey to show the location of the foundations and the pool house was more polluted on the withdrawal than what had been approved during the derogation. It was only 15 feet from this property limit They are therefore in front of you tonight to ask for a question in order to put this pool house, already partially built in compliance, so that they can continue the permits, the construction and inspections, with the intention of completing this project D'accord. Et un léger délai pendant que je clique. Mais j'ai la carte de zonage à l'écran. Vous pouvez voir que cette zone est un mélange d'anciennes propriétés. A2. A2. Nous avons des domaines résidentiels, des résidences unifamiliales plus grandes et des propriétés de Homer Glen qui sont rurales et agricoles. Cette propriété, le propriétaire, possède en fait trois lots qui constituent la totalité du lotissement. And this lot in the North actually belongs or is under the jurisdiction of Homer Glen and is subject to different lotting standards. In terms of situation, all the lotting and unit 1 of the Allen June lot, recorded in 1975, La propriété faisant l'objet de la dérogation est la propriété centrale et le propriétaire possède aussi la parcelle sud mais il souhaite la conserver comme espace libre au cas où il voudrait la vendre à l'avenir. Le pull-house est entouré en jaune là où il empiète et a été construit. En regardant à nouveau le relevé topographique, vous pouvez voir qu'il est à 15 pieds de la limite nord de la propriété, et c'est vraiment l'entrée couverte qui le distingue. Voici les deux élévations du bâtiment extrait du permis de construire. Il s'agissait donc de plans approuvés. Cela aura une belle allure, mais c'est juste cette entrée couverte qui empiète un peu plus que ce qui était autorisé avec la dérogation de 17 pieds et demi précédemment.

En regardant certaines de ces photos, vous remarquerez que certaines sont récentes, comme dans ce cas.

Vous verrez qu'il est difficile de voir au fond de la propriété, mais on peut distinguer derrière le garage existant que le pool house est là. Encore une fois, c'est juste un peu plus haut dans la rue en regardant le pool house. And then by looking north and south and on the other side of Parker Road. Some of these images come from the initial zoning file. Just to show the area, not much has changed except for the pull-out on the property. As for the derogation standards, you know well at this stage the criteria according to which we examine the demands for derogation. But to briefly cover the criteria, the applicant has the three lots of the allotment, Allen June. The first lot is annexed to the village of Homerglen and is subject to different zoning regulations. Different. And the second lot remains subject to the requirements of reclamation of the county. Although the lots work as a single residential property, the second lot must respond independently to the requirements of reclamation of the county. The lateral reclamation of 17.5 feet, which had previously been approved under zoning KZC 24106, required a topographic survey in the context of the construction process and it was determined that the pool house was built at 15 feet from the retreat limit or from the property line. What makes this derogation necessary? The staff believes that the derogation will not alter the essential character of the area because the property continues to serve as a single-family residence. Elle est justifiée par des circonstances uniques car la propriété s'étend sur deux juridictions tout en fonctionnant comme un seul domaine résidentiel. Elle répond à une contrainte qui n'a pas été créée par le demandeur. Le demandeur a acheté une propriété déjà divisée entre deux juridictions et cela n'affectera pas négativement le bien public, les propriétés voisines, la sécurité publique ou la valeur des biens. C'est nécessaire pour finaliser le processus d'autorisation et d'inspection. Le permis de construire a été délivré correctement, mais la structure a été construite environ 60 cm plus près qu'elle n'aurait dû l'être, ce qui aura un impact limité car le demandeur possède les lots adjacents 1 et 3, tous deux entretenus dans le cadre de cette propriété. The staff therefore recommends the approval of this derogation and, based on these conclusions, believes that the derogation asked meets the criteria of the applicable examination and that none of the organisms notified are opposed to it. I am ready to answer all your questions. Does anyone have any questions?

In summary, the applicant asks for a derogation for a lateral withdrawal in relation to a property that he also owns.

Usually, in this kind of circumstances, if the Law 1 was not under the jurisdiction of Homer Glen, we would consider it as a zoning law and this limit of shared property would disappear. So we wouldn't need it. But since it's Homer Glen, we have to treat them as two distinct laws. So it's really unique.

Are there any opponents or citizens concerned about this file here?

Mr. President, I propose a motion for the file ZC 26-0-100 B26-168 unless he wishes to express himself. Approve the derogation for the north lateral retreat from 5.35 m to 4.57 m. I have a motion, one second, and I will proceed to the nominal appeal.

Kimberly Mitchell, yes. John Kiffner, yes. Roger Bentonhausen.

Matt Garland, yes. Lewis Navarra. Karen Warwick and President Hipp.

Yes, thank you. As I said, I will examine the file of the ZNHZ and ZNCMZ account.

The owner of this property is the Kirby Family Trust, with Mark Kirby holding 50% of the interest and Beverly Kirby also 50%. The agent is Mark Kirby and the lawyer is Nathaniel Washburn of KG LLC. The applicant requests a card modification to allow the creation of a minor lot of 4 lots. Here is an aerial view of the property concerned. As mentioned previously, the buyer wants to create a minor lot of 4 lots to sell to interested buyers. La création d'une parcelle qui ne remplit aucune des 10 exemptions de lotissement de l'Illinois et qui fait moins de 5 acres nécessite l'approbation d'un lotissement mineur. La modification du plan serait nécessaire pour que l'urbanisme puisse valider le plan de lotissement proposé. Le propriétaire du terrain a l'intention de demander un lotissement mineur après avoir obtenu l'approbation de la modification du plan proposé. Voici une capture d'écran montrant la disposition proposée des lots, comme mentionné. Le total est de 4 lots, d'environ 2,5 acres chacun, ce qui signifie que si la modification du plan est approuvée pour la zone E2, tous les lots seront conformes. Passons maintenant à quelques photos de la propriété. D'abord la vue vers l'est sur la propriété depuis Mitterraud. Voici la vue du panneau d'affichage, requis pour le dossier de zonage. Voici une vue vers le nord. Voici une vue vers le sud. Voici une vue vers l'ouest sur la propriété adjacente. Voici une vue vers le sud sur la propriété concernée, mais cette fois depuis Bruce Road. Voici une vue de la partie nord-ouest de la propriété, toujours depuis Bruce Road. Voici une vue vers l'est, le long de Bruce Road. Et enfin, la vue vers l'ouest, le long de Bruce Road. To quickly review the examination criteria for the modification of the zoning plan, a complete analysis appears in the personnel report. To summarize, in a radius of 1,000 around the property, in the non-incorporated county of Will, the uses are agricultural and residential. The personnel note that the predominant use in the general area is agricultural. In the village of Homer Glen, the uses are also residential and agricultural, but there are also forest reserve fields. Dans le village de New Lenox, les usages incluent également le résidentiel et l'agricole, dans un rayon d'un mille. Les classifications de zonage dans le comté non incorporé incluent A1, A2, E2, R1, R2A et R2. Personnel constate que le district de zonage prédominant dans le comté non incorporé est dans le village de Homer, Glen et A1. Les classifications de zonage incluent A1, A2, E1, R1 et leur district R2A. Enfin, examinons rapidement le village de New Lenox. Les classifications de zonage incluent les districts R1 et R5. The professional opinion of the staff is that the proposed zoning change would be compatible with the existing zoning districts in the area. Finally, regarding point number 3, the staff also notes that the development trend in the general area is oriented towards residential zoning districts. A plot located 130 feet southwest of the property concerned was approved for modification of maps via the 5905m zoning file. In 2010, to replace the property of A1 to E2, in addition, in the New Lenox village, a plot located 900 feet southwest of the property was approved for a vegetable unit development and a zoning in R1 for about 150 single-family plots reserved for seniors and 172 single-family plots in 2024. I think the construction is currently underway. Finally, the zoning is in line with the resource management plan, because the plot is located in a suburb development area where residential uses are allowed. Oh, nothing. Regarding the agency's comments, the staff received a comment from the New Lenox village, essentially indicating that the property is in the territorial limit agreement of the village of Homer Glen. As a result, the request does not need to be processed by the village's jurisdiction. Personnel n'a reçu aucun autre commentaire, suggestion ou préoccupation. Cela étant dit, le personnel recommande l'approbation des modifications de la carte et je serai heureux de répondre à vos questions.

Je n'ai aucune question. Si quelqu'un d'autre a des questions... Merci beaucoup, Monsieur.

Y a-t-il des opposants ou des citoyens concernés par ce dossier ce soir? Il n'y en a pas. Mr. Wachford, would you like to move forward or would you prefer that we proceed directly to the vote?

Okay, ZC 26045. M 2608. Approval motion for a card modification of 1-1-E-2.

I have a motion and a support. You have the floor.

John Kefner? Kimberly Mitchell? Roger Betten? Edgar Land, yes. Lewis Navarrete, yes.

Karen Warwick. And President Houston? Approved.

The next file tonight is a TU. It's the TU 26007. Temporary use permit for an autumn festival with paintball activities. AP Autumn. Illinois, Illinois. And I think that, Marguerite, it is you who will present this. Okay.

I have been in charge of this commission since...

Okay. So, this temporary use permit that was submitted to you, It takes place in the canton of Mounet. The owners are Craig and Laura Tracy, and it is their annual request for the Autumn Festival. This has taken place and has been presented to you since 2012, or about 14 years. It worked without incidents or complaints. So I can quickly move on to this presentation. The proposal has not changed compared to previous years. So the essential concerns agritourism, which is fully authorized in District 1, in District 1. The reason why they appear in front of you is because of the activities of paintball and ash throwing that take place on the site during this fall festival and which are not typically related to agriculture. So it's for those who are still in front of you. With that, just concerning the property in question, it is about 1879 acres, so just a little less than 19 acres. It is classified as zone 1. It benefits from a special authorization for a landscaping company and is surrounded by the A1 zone to the east, to the west and to the south, as well as to the north where there is a line of public service, then the R2 zone beyond. It is therefore mainly a residential area, as you can see on the zoning. As for this temporary use, it is scheduled from September 25 to November 1. There will be between 10 and 25 employees. The parking facilities allow to accommodate 130 vehicles, including 4 accessible places. Sanitary facilities, namely portable toilets, hand washing points and existing toilets are provided on site. So here is the conceptual plan of the site showing the different enclos for animals. They have restoration stands. They have a greenhouse. They have maize labyrinths. A lot of different activities. So here are some photos of the site. This is the main building on the property. This shows the greenhouse and the restoration stand. This shows the location for the paintball stand and the maize cannon. View of the enclosure for the animals. View of the entrance and exit on Mooney Road. View of the parking. The staff therefore recommends the approval of this temporary use permit for the fall festival with paintball activities in 11 conditions. The staff wanted to draw attention to condition number 3 because it was brought to our knowledge and the prosecutor of the state wanted the condition to be a little more detailed to essentially reduce the responsibility of the county. You should therefore propose a motion to approve the formulation as proposed. Basically, this would require that the Civil Responsibility Insurance Certificate also names the county as an additional insured party. And in this way, it would simply use the Civil Responsibility Insurance in the event of an incident to cover the costs rather than exposing the county to problems of responsibility. So with that, if you wish, I can read it all. You can read it. I guess I can read it. Demandeur doit fournir un certificat d'assurance responsabilité civile avant la délivrance de l'approbation complète du permis d'utilisation temporaire. Une telle assurance doit, premièrement, lister le comté de Will, ses dirigeants, administrateurs et employés, en tant qu'assurés supplémentaires. Deux, stipuler que la couverture fournie à l'assuré additionnelle est primaire et non contributive par rapport à toute assurance détenue par le comté de Will. 3. Include a renunciation at all costs in favor of the Will County and its affiliates. It could simply not flow.

Okay, gentlemen.

So, 3. Include a renunciation at all costs in favor of the Will County and its affiliates, managers and employees. Four, to contain a clause of divisibility of interests applicable to all insured, without exclusion, of cross-responsibility or cross-pursuit. And five, to be in a form and with an acceptable substance for the Will County. And the other conditions are quite classic compared to the previous years. On this, I am ready to answer any questions.

I have no questions. Anyone else? Thank you very much.

Y a-t-il des citoyens ou des opposants concernés par ce dossier? Il n'y en a pas. C'est un principe pour ce dossier ici, hein?

Comprenez-vous la clause d'assurance qu'ils vous ont lue?

Il l'a fournie. Il l'a déjà remise avec ses fiches vertes.

Monsieur le Président, devons-nous faire une motion pour l'ajouter à la... So, if I can add, when

Le rapport initial a été rédigé, la condition supplémentaire concernant l'assurance n'y figurait pas, comme Marguerite l'a mentionné, elle est ajoutée maintenant en tant qu'ajout.

Bien cela remplace essentiellement le numéro 3 par ce libellé. Le numéro 3 est donc le demandeur doit fournir un certificat d'assurance responsabilité civile avant l'émission d'une approbation complète de permis d'utilisation temporaire The staff would recommend to remove the label of number 3 and to insert the longer paragraph as a condition.

We will remove the first part, the 2, simply.

All right, Mr. President, I would like to make a motion for condition 3 in order to remove the initial label provided by the staff and replace it with the label that has been read and which is highlighted in yellow on the screen provided. And if I read it, I suppose I should. J'ai un second.

D'accord, j'ai un second. Qui a secondé, s'il vous plaît ?

Est-ce que j'ai... Je l'ai entendu de la part de Dacher. Je pensais pouvoir vous le dire. D'accord. Donc, nous votons pour supprimer le numéro 3 et ajouter la nouvelle condition telle qu'indiquée. Kimberly Mitchell ? John Kefner, yes. Roger Bettinausen. Matt Garland. Lewis Navarra. Karen Warik and President Ippen.

Mr. President, TU26J007 approbation of temporary use for the Fall Festival with paintball activities. Seconded.

J'ai une motion. J'ai un second. Je demande un appel nominal.

John Kefner. Kimberly Mitchell. Roger Vettin. Matt Garland. Luis Navarrete. Karen Warick. Et le Président Jux Tipa.

Notre prochain dossier ce soir est le TU 26003. And it takes place in the area. And Margaret Kenny will present this one to us as well.

Oui, je vais pratiquement assurer la suite de la soirée, donc je vais probablement rester ici. Ce permis d'usage temporaire et le suivant vont en fait de pair. Ce permis d'usage temporaire concerne un rodéo de monde de taureaux avec musique live et divertissement. Et le prochain TU 26008 sera pour la vente temporaire d'alcool associée à cet événement. Donc vous avez mentionné que cette propriété est située dans le canton de Piétons. Piétons. L'adresse est le DIN 702 West Kennedy Road à Piétons. Le propriétaire est Elvia Antunes Moreno et l'agent est Jésus Moreno. Ce n'est pas indiqué dans le rapport du personnel pour celui-ci en particulier, mais l'agent correct est Jésus Moreno. Le rodeo de monde de taureau avec musique, live et divertissement n'est pas expressément autorisé en tant que permis d'usage temporaire que l'administrateur du zonage peut approuver administrativement. C'est pourquoi il est présenté devant vous pour cette demande. Donc j'ai la propriété à l'écran. Elle est délimitée en jaune. La parcelle fait 10 acres. Elle est zonée A1 et entourée par du A1 au nord, à l'ouest, à l'est et au sud. La résidence la plus proche est à environ 500 pieds au sud-ouest et la suivante est à environ 800 pieds à l'est. Encore une fois, en regardant simplement le zonage de la zone. En termes de détails pour cet événement, cet événement aurait lieu soit le 22 août, ce week-end, soit le 19 septembre. So you approve an event of one day. There will be about 12 to 18 employees and it is expected that the number of visitors for this event will be between 250 and 500 people. The event will take place again on a day between noon and 9 p.m. and they will provide sanitary facilities, portable toilets and I believe hand washing stations as the health service generally requires. So the conceptual plan of the site is on the screen. It's a bit difficult to read on, you know, the big screen. But in reality, since the entry of the property on Kennedy Road to the south, beyond the current residence, there will be an area for toilets, there will be a rodeo space, the food vendors will be behind and the parking is further north on the site. Voici quelques photos de la propriété concernée. Ceci est une vue vers le nord depuis Kennedy Road. Ceci est, vous pouvez voir le point d'accès secondaire qui est également visible sur cette photo. Ceci est une vue vers le nord depuis Kennedy Road, sur une partie du bétail, je suppose. Des taureaux. Where? Ceci est une vue de la maison sur la propriété concernée. Ceci est une vue vers l'ouest, le long de Kennedy Road, et je crois que la flèche pointe vers la propriété concernée. from the main entrance by looking north from Kennedy Road. So, on this subject, the services recommend the approval of this temporary use permit with 13 conditions. Once again, this is a first request for the applicant. If they respect, you know, what they have proposed and all the requirements that the agencies have asked for, they may be able to, you know, make a new request. But regarding this, none of the notified agencies has made an objection, but the canton of Pont and the fire service wanted certain conditions to be added to this particular temporary use permit. So the conditions here generally deal with the fact that, let's see, they must work with the request for a special event of the protection district against Manatan fires and submit all the required justifiable documents. So once again, the circulation on the site, the parking to make sure it is accessible and that the helpers can access the site safely. That the activities taking place on the site are carried out in a secure way. It is structured and controlled. The detailed plan of the site showing the access of emergency vehicles, the ways of fire, the entrances, the exits, the parking areas, the temporary structures, the tents, the scenes, the locations of the vendors, the areas for the cattle, the cooking operations, the generators, the fuel storage and the location of the extinguishers would be another requirement of the fire service. Once again, maintaining adequate access for emergency vehicles throughout the event. So, according to the name of the person, the parking that must take place on the site cannot be done along the sidewalk. It must always allow the roadways and access roads to be cleared at all times. Provide the fire department with an emergency plan that includes procedures in case of fire, extreme weather conditions, medical emergency, crowd evacuation and other emergencies. provide the emergency coordinates of the organizer of the event and the responsible representatives who will be present during the event, but also deal with all issues related to safety, fires and people, including temporary electrical installations, generators, cooking equipment, fuel, tents, exits, emergency lights, extinguishers and reception capacity. Coordinate with firefighters the availability of emergency medical services and fire support or additional EMS, which could be required according to the scheduled frequentation and activities of the event. Then carry out a revision of the plan by the firefighters and an inspection on site before the opening of the event to the public. And again, any deficiencies identified in terms of fire safety or people must be corrected before final approval. Ils disposent d'une date de report en septembre s'ils ne parviennent pas à remplir toutes ces conditions d'ici la fin de la semaine pour une ouverture de 22. Ce permis devra donc être émis et autorisé par le comté. Cependant, le personnel souhaite signaler que la condition numéro 2 ici est très similaire à la précédente concernant l'assurance responsabilité civile. We simply want to replace the formulation proposed in the personnel report with the same formulation as previously for designating the county as an additional insurance entity for civil liability insurance. You will therefore have to make a motion to adopt or remove the original formulation and adopt this new formulation before adopting the TU. Are you aware of this before the meeting? Oui, ils ont reçu un email, je crois, soit tard hier, soit tôt aujourd'hui, mais ils sont présents si vous avez des questions concernant leur usage. Je pourrais passer à la prochaine disposition. Du permis d'usage temporaire, si vous souhaitez l'aborder. Il s'agit principalement de l'alcool pour ce côté-ci.

Je n'ai donc pas besoin de faire le changement permanent de formulation pour l'assurance dorénavant à ce sujet.

Je remettrai à notre conseiller juridique pour répondre.

Votre micro fonctionne-t-il ?

Pour protéger le comté contre les risques de poursuites, si nous sommes désignés comme assurés supplémentaires, cela nous protégerait grâce à cette formulation. Je sais que c'est beaucoup, mais c'est requis. Cela offre au comté la protection nécessaire si un incident survenait surtout pour ce type d'événements où des imprévus peuvent arriver. The additional insurance is not something rare in this area. It's just that there are a lot of verbs here that I suppose most of the additional insurance policies cover. Already that. and additional avenues to modify police conditions. Are there any security requirements here in the private sector or county?

I don't see any. If you want to add something, you could demand the presence of a private security, but once again, the demanders are there to answer all your questions.

Je pense qu'ils aimeraient avoir une sorte de, vous savez, sécurité.

Mais nous pourrons leur demander quand ils monteront à... D'autres questions ?

Merci beaucoup. Y a-t-il des opposants ou des citoyens préoccupés ? Je ne vois personne d'autre ici, donc je ne pense pas. Le représentant M. Khalifi Zerustapio pourrait-il venir, s'il vous plaît ?

I think it will be just my reaction.

Who declined your identity for the verbal trial?

Hello, my name is Luis Rodriguez.

My question, you read this and you are aware of the new insurance changes? I just saw the email.

Does anyone oppose it?

No.

Very good. It's normally a fairly simple procedure. You just have to make a call and that's it.

Exactly.

What about the firefighters? Have you contacted them?

I haven't done it, but my insurer works on all of this. He asks for a lot of things here before you get the permit.

You can come closer if you don't want to. You must use the microphone, however. Please give your name first. I am Jimarino. Hello everyone.

We talked to our manager that we normally have on our side. We talked to the fire department chief, I think last week, if I'm not mistaken. He had mentioned that he was billing about 150 for expenses, whatever they are, to get on site and check that everything is in order. And we always have or try to have a third security at all times. And I had mentioned from the first day that we also wanted to hire sheriff's deputies from the out-of-service county as well. Usually during other events that we have organized, not in the county of Will of course. Normally, we try to have two sheriffs out of service and at least 10 to 12 security agents permanently, just to be on the side of security. And as it is obviously a rodeo on Toro, I always try to have ambulances on site in case something happens. God protect us from it.

Again, it suits me. Thank you.

Who do you help these people for? Not at all in the county of Will, but I have friends who have their own promotion company in other states. So I was able to help them in the state of Ohio, in a part of Texas and not in California personally, but I know that they organize other types of events. So I learned a lot over the years with all these rodeo events more than anything else. Can you explain some of the events that include this rodeo on Toro? Well, generally, it's just the rodeo on Toro itself. That is to say, for the rider, it's practically optional. If he wants to wear a helmet or not, it's up to him to decide. The majority have their own vest, their own boots. I mean, they've been doing that for a while. It's practically exactly the same as the classic rodeo on Toro. And that's about it.

Correct. Alcohol sales are mainly used to encourage horsemen. Maybe myself.

Yes, but in general, for this kind of event, as everyone knows, it's a big investment. But my cousin has his restaurant in the county of McHenry. So to organize this kind of event, you have to make benefits, because it is not given. I'm talking about at least 30 000 dollars per event, roughly. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

You want to stay here because you have another one right after this one.

Stay standing or sit down as you prefer.

Mr. President, for the 26 hours. I would like to propose a motion to remove the formulation of Article 2 provided in the personnel report and insert the complete legal standard of the additional insurance that was provided in the personnel report. It is highlighted in yellow on the screen.

And I have a second.

I also press. Mr. President, for the urgency file, in the absence of public objection,

Motion to approve the temporary use permit for the Rodeo de Monde de Taureau with live music and entertainment with the 13 and 12 conditions provided by the staff, the 13th having been added during the meeting. 14 here. We have 13. Come on, let's delete the one that adds. With the 13 conditions as ordered. That's what I meant.

Et qui a secondé? Je vous prie de m'excuser. Bonjour, Matt. Garland. D'accord. Kimberly Mitchell.

John Kefner. Roger Bentonhausen. Matt Garland. Lewis Navarrete.

Kieran Warwick. Et le président Hippen.

Dossier suivant. T. 2608. Pourquoi ne vous asseyez-vous pas le temps qu'elle fasse sa présentation et vous pourrez revenir ensuite ?

Je pense qu'elle sera brève. Je serai extrêmement brève. Je veux juste afficher le PowerPoint. Pour montrer... Juste quelques conditions différentes pour celui-ci. Une seconde. Donc, même propriété. Il s'agit ici uniquement du volet lié aux ventes temporaires d'alcool. Hum... Donc, cela nécessite aussi de passer devant vous pour une demande d'approbation. Hum... Même propriété, même zonage entouré par la zone A1, même événement. C'est soit ce week-end, soit le 19 septembre. Once again, with a number of visitors between 250 and 500. It would be between noon and 9 p.m. And like the last time, there are sanitary facilities, approval of the required health service. Same site plan, same photos. So the difference for this one is that there are 14 conditions. I know that the title indicates, even the temporary use on the screen says that it is the complete rodeo, but this should concern alcohol. So, it is a temporary use permit for the sale of alcohol associated with the Monde de Taureau rodeo with 14 conditions. Once again, the permit is valid only for one date, it is either August 22 or September 19. Condition number 2 would be to modify the libellum again. So, this would be an attestation of civil responsibility to reflect that the county is insured. If you wish, I can read it again for the verbal trial. Okay. The motion. Temporary structures must meet all requirements of the Urbanism Service. Temporary use must meet the requirements of the Health Service.

Parking must be planned on the property concerned and is prohibited on the taking of Kennedy Road.

Very similar to the previous ones. Conditions 6 to 13 are very, very, very close to the last one. All requirements of the fire department are essentially copied and pasted in this one. And then the fourteenth condition is that the applicant must comply with the regulation of the ordinance on the control of alcohol in the County of Will. So, even if this temporary use permit was approved this evening, they still have to go through the office of the Alcohol Commission to make sure they really get this alcohol use license in order to be able to organize the event with alcohol, with alcohol on one of these two dates. And then, probably, if they can prove that they have their license, this temporary use permit will be delivered and they will be able to organize their event, legally. There you go, I'm ready to answer your questions. You also have the askers if you want to ask questions or you can vote.

I think we're just going to keep going. Thank you very much.

Mr. President. 26.008 motion to remove label number 2 provided in our report and replace it with the text highlighted in yellow on the board, which is the label identical to the TUP previously approved for the Rodeo on this property.

I have a second. All right, I have a motion and a second. Nominal appeal, please.

Kelly Mitchell. John Kefner. Roger Bentonhausen. Matt Garland. Luis Navarra. Karen Warick. And President Houston approves. Approve.

President, TV 26. Approval of temporary use permits for the sale of alcohol related to rodeos with the 14 conditions such as amended and included in the report.

Second.

Je seconde.

Puis-je avoir un appel nominal? Kimberly Mitchell. John Geffner.

Roger Bentonhausen. Matt Garland. Lewis Navarrete. Karen Warwick. Et le Président Hugh Steppen approuve. D'accord, messieurs, c'est approuvé.

Merci. J'apprécie.

Merci. Notre prochaine réunion sera prévue pour le 1er septembre 2026. À la même heure. J'accepte une motion pour lever la séance.

Approuvé. J'ai une motion pour lever la séance.

Nous n'avons rien d'autre de la part du personnel. Correct.

D'accord. We're going there.

Thank you. Yeah, we didn't vote on the update.

Yes, let's call it.

No, let's just vote that those who are for say that for Egor. Someone is against. Same sign. It was unanimity. We are back.