County Council - Regular Meeting

We're live. We're We're live, Bill. We're on to see you. Thank you. That's why I'm late. That sounds so easy.

You know, I have my locations. I go through four locations. None of them there. Anybody else before we start the meeting have any directives for Bill here before we get going here? Yes. For everybody, please make sure you turn your mics on. I'll call this meeting of the Cal County Council in order. Today is Wednesday, April 8th, 2026. We'll begin with an opening prayer from Bob Craft.

All right, let's pray. Father God, I come to you this morning and ask that you uh give us wisdom and discernment as we do the business of the taxpayers. We thank you for the opportunity to serve and we just pray that you'd keep that foremost in our mind that we're here to serve our community in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Would you please stand for the pledgece to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisibley justice for all.

Okay. First order business we have is approval of the minutes. Are there any additions or corrections? Move to approve. Pardon? Move to approve. Move to approve. Thank you, Amy. Motion by Amy Proer. Uh, do we have a second? A second. Second by Bob Craft. Any further discussion? Not. I'll call for the question. All those in favor of the approval of the March 11th, 2026 minutes signify by saying I. I. Oppos.

Minutes are approved. Next we'll go to uh appropriation of transfer requests. The first one we have we only have one additional and that comes to us from uh develop department or developmental services and the fund name is county general and the fund number is 10001. The amount requested is $600. Was this included in the annual budget request? And the answer is no. The reason it was not included was unaware of the increase per contract. How will this appropriation be used? Payment for zoning administrator per contract for planning services for Butler and it'll be reimbured by Butler. Is this a reoccurring expense? The answer is no. Will other expenditures be necessary? And the answer again is no. Was it discussed with the leaison? Yes. And that leaison was Bill Van Y. So we have a request for an additional for $600. Do we have a motion?

I'll move. We have a motion by Bill Van Y. Do we have a second? I'll second. Second by Amy Proser. Any further discussion on the $600 additional uh appropriation request? We do already have the money from Butler in case anybody wants. Okay. Thank you. Any other discussion? Hearing none, I'll call for the question. All those in favor of the additional $600 request uh from developmental services uh for Butler signify by saying I

opposed. Transfer is or the additional is approved. Next, we have two transfers. The first one is from Superior Court 2. Fund name is County General. Fund number is one 0001. And the amount to be transferred, again, this is a transfer, is $2,795 from account number 22410, which is legal reference material, to account number 44410. The account title is courtroom furniture. The amount requested is $2,795. This is uh for the purchase of courtroom furniture. Emergency need account for that purpose was not funded in the budget. Will additional appropriation be requested due to the transfer? The answer is no. And was it discussed with Lelaya and that is yes. That was David Yard and uh this is to replace some badly badly needed furniture here. Is that in the court in their

in the court jury? Yes. Okay. And uh this is um again this is a transfer. The money is there just transferring it from legal reference to the furniture. Okay. Do I What was the question that Bill asked? Was it jury? Oh, it's in actually in the court itself. It's in the court. Jury jury seating. Yeah, jury seating. It wasn't It wasn't in the budget before. Was it requested? No, it wasn't in the budget. No, I know we talked I don't remember if it was this courtroom or one, but we talked about replacing some jury furniture last year, but um I know um

I would say it's not because it says it's it is an emergency need account for that purpose was not funded in the current budget. Okay, we need a motion to approve first. I move to approve. Have a motion by Bill Van Y. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Rick Ring. Um, any further questions or discussions on the transfer? Hearing none, I'll call for the question. All those in favor of transferring $2,795. Um, signify by saying I.

I oppose. Transfer is granted. Okay, let's see. Okay, the next one comes from title 4D and uh fund name is 4D incentive fund number 8897. The amount to be transferred is $2,500. It is from account number 44420. computer equipment to account number 34140. The account title is software maintenance and the amount requested is $2,500. Why is this transfer needed? It is to cover new cloud-based storage initial one-step setup fee, a one-time setup fee of $3,63. Will additional appropriation be requested due to this transfer? The answer is no. Was it discussed with the leaison? No. Do we have a motion to approve the $2,500 for title 4D? Was that the um cloud storage? Did we just get something for the prosecutor's office? Is this tied to that some of the

um positive? I don't believe that. I believe the prosecutors is different than the courts. Okay. Because there I mean we did just do a whole new computer based Yes. Did it for them and the public defender. Uhu. Yeah. for the body cam because it was taking so long to upload everything and then everyone it's more accessible. Okay. Before it was put in one spot and then someone else needs to review it then it had to be uploaded to another spot. This was on one platform.

I just wondered whether or not this is something that a new system that we got or has it does it have anything to do with the oddity system? I a lot of the court is already state the odyssey driven I don't know but it's not new money it's just transferred from another part of their budget so it's not a problem but I make that motion approve the transfer okay we have a motion by Bill Van Y to approve the transfer do we have a second I'll second second by Amy Proser any further discussion from the council

I got a question I I mean, they already had money in this account. You just didn't have enough to uh they're just transferring it to the account they need. Yeah. But they um however, I I don't even believe that this needed to come to you guys because it is their incentive fund and by statute they don't have to appropriate it, but they do appropriate it um for our benefit because better does not see a counsel. Well, I appreciate that and if you're listening, I appreciate that you're doing it to bring it. So, we're apt in the No. So,

any further discussion items? Hearing none, I'll call for the question. All those in favor of the $2,500 transfer in 4D signify by saying I. I. Oppos. Transfer request is granted. that takes care of additional and transfers. We have a list of non-approval transfers which again does not require council approval. And next up is we're a little ahead of schedule. Commissioner Douly, you ready?

Good morning, everybody. Good morning.

The packet in front of you Susan gave to you. So about a month or so ago, I was out um in the front out in the yard down there and I saw how bad the cannon is. You can see through the pictures that the cannon of the memorial down there is in pretty rough shape. Um so I had Larry reach out to a couple of places. Atlas is the only one that got back to us about restoration on it. Um as you can see, the restoration of it will cost about 29,000. Um they're basically going to fix the cracks, drill down to the base, fix the cracks, fill it in, um come back up, plaster across it, and then give it a good paint for the cannon and the the monument. Um I'm kind of here today. I plan on trying to do it through donations. I have a couple of meetings set up with the legions here in the county. I have a couple of personal people I'm going to reach out for some donations on it, but to keep with the timeline of getting this done by July 4th, have a little celebration for it. Um, I'd like to come to you guys today to have ask for some money up to $40,000. I know it's 29 here, but just to cover any kind of things that pop up. We're going to want to also drill into the back of it, put a time capsule for the um 250 to be opened up in 50 years. The the other paper that Susan has handed out to you is the time capsule I'm looking at. Um, it has 10 smaller time capsules inside of that time capsule, which I'm going to give to each community. So, like St. Joe, we'll get one. Spencerville will get one. Butler will get one. Waterlue will get one and then they can put whatever they want in that small time capsule. The county will have one also and then we can put it all in there and then in 50 years they can open it up. But we don't know if it's hollow or if it's solid inside. So making that hole is going to be an extra cost. We're not really sure yet. That's why I'm asking for the little bit of extra onto it just to be on the safe side. Like I said, the original plan is to have donations pay for it all. But to get this process moving, to get these um going so the timeline's good so I can order that time capsule. I talked

to the lady there at um Heritage Time Capsule. She is very busy because everybody wants a time capsule for the 250. So I don't want to miss out on that. Make sure we get time capsule in in time so that way I can get to the communities in time so they have plenty of time to put whatever they want to put in there. Any questions? Will they be able to clean up that front plaque too where all the

Well, that's going to be a little extra. I have um Knox painting is going to look at doing that. I think he gave a quote for about 1,500 to do the fence and to restore that black and everything. That's why the little extras in there to kind of do these little extra things that pop up. This our official memorial to war know what the designation for this is historic. It was built before World War I, I believe. So, I think it's the wars before then. The cannon actually was on loan from the military, and we're supposed to get it back to them if the military ever needs it. I don't think they're going to need it, but I will follow up with them to make sure. So,

I don't know. It just says Decau County soldiers. Yeah, I think it's just a memorial for all the soldiers from Decal County. I don't think there's any particular area, but there's a lot of uh details to it. Mary deal and I have been working with it on on this and looking into it. So, it definitely looks rough. I mean, we're going to have a memorial to our soldiers. It should look better than this.

And I agree. And that's kind of why I started looking down the process for this. And then I think with the 250, we could put a time capsule in the back, have it open up in 50 years, put a shelf in there so that way if they want to do another time capsule for 50 years, they can pull it out, put it right back in. Because there's two time capsules out there now, but the records of it is kind of hard to find and we're not really sure where they're buried at. somewhere in the ground. So, this way is in the back of it with a black over that says here it is. They know where to get into and get last time there was I'm sorry. I was just going to say they opened a time capsule up when they did some renovations on the courthouse 15 years ago, 18 years ago. Yeah.

And that time capsules is hard to kind of gather. So, I thought put a plaque on the back. It says, "Oh, right here. smash in 50 years. It's right there so there's no confusion. Well, they have to tap in gently. Okay. Um my question is would it just be cheaper to replace the cement as much cracks as it got into it? Well, they're going to look at that because they don't know what the base is after you get past that plastic. You don't know if it's all concrete in there or cinder block or what. But this is what they said would be the best way of doing it. The other two companies that um that Larry reached out to, I believe, didn't give a quote at all. Like they didn't want to touch it. So,

and this Atlas is the one that had the restorations on the pillars. Yes. Out on the four sides. They're the ones that do with most of the restoration for our courthouse last time. So, we probably don't know long this would be. Well, I know the from talking to Larry. I believe he thinks the last time these they kind of just filled in the gaps and then painted over it. This is going to more get all the way down to the base of it, fill it back, fill it up, and hopefully it lasts much longer. So, are you just asking us to cover the cost if you don't raise the donations you need? Yep.

Like I said, I have meetings with all three legions. They've already very interested in it. So, I have meetings with them, but they're not until the end of the month. I want to get the time capsule ordered. Make sure we have enough time for everybody to get it taken care of and stuff like that. I also have a few individuals that said, "Hey, let me know what you need. Get it. I'll write a check for you." But I don't want to put a bunch of money in there and then it just sits there because it has to be spent for that. So, I'm going to ask them as like, "Hey, we're a little bit short. Can you cover that part?" But for right now, we can I have lease to funds to move forward and then this will backfill with the donation. We need a motion to pick up the balance here then.

How you how would you want to state that motion? Are we going to cover the cost and then ask for donations or are we going to make the motion to cover what we don't collect in donations? I think we need a motion to cover what we don't collect. I would make a motion that we um pledge the difference between the cost and the donations that are received for the restoration of the cannon. Okay. Do we up to a certain amount? Yeah. I mean 29,00 Well, I'm going to go with this quote up go with this quote of what

29,700 back. He he had asked for 40,000 this but he didn't think he'd use some so most of it. I think we ought to have put a motion in there to at least say up to 40,000 and not beyond because the fact that if he if it overruns a little bit, you don't want to have to him come back in here real quick and get money. I don't see the 40,000 anywhere.

40,000. This is only for 30, but to do the time capsule is another I think 15 on there. Um there's also the restoration of the front plate that Knox um painting is going to do and the fence around it. And then when we drill in the shelving might be a little bit more. This is just an estimate on it because we don't know what's solid or hollow inside. So that might add a little bit onto it too. So I just want to make sure we have enough funds in there. All right. I'll I'll I'll amend my motion and and make the limit 40,000. Where are we? General fund. General fund. Okay, we from the auditor's budget. Yeah,

we have a amended motion from Rick Ring for $40,000 maximum on the Canon time capsule restoration project. Do we have a second? A second. Second by Bob Craft. Any further questions or discussion from the council? Hearing none, we'll call for the question. All those in favor of $40,000 maximum budget make up any differences here for Canon restoration signify by saying I I oppose. Motion is carried. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you. Thanks for taking the lead on this. That's a that's a great great project to do out there. It really is. Okay. Next a quick question. Yeah, Amy, I know that it looks like it's been in some disrepair for a long time and um I think would be good to add that somebody to check in on that on a yearly basis adding that to maybe the maintenance plan or something for courthouse. Maybe that added in is a constant. We're just monitoring that every year. Bill Van Y has graciously volunteered to do that. Oh, wonderful. You know, I think, you know, with Larry Larry's that's that would fall in Larry's should fall under Larry's

job description. He's he's got the all of the buildings now, but that's just one of the it would hurt to have somebody from the council keep an eye on it. I'm not the Aison. Oh, I I don't care. I'll walk the and look at things. I'll have to do it with Larry so he explains things to me, but you know, I can get to him in at least going to do it summertime. I'm not going to do it time. That'd be great because that way we'll have something checked on and we can come back and and and stay ahead of the ball game is what I'd like to say.

Well, it's not just the it's not it but it does fall within Larry's job because you know it's not only been this cannon but you know we just recently restored all these four pillars around here. Uh prior to that they restored the uh around the sidewalk, the ledging around the courthouse and so the generator. Yeah. Which you know that generator that I'm that looks beautiful out there and that

that u uh stone masonery was donated by a citizen here in the county. So that uh the county did not pay for any of that. That was all done by a local citizens donation and it is it has really added to the attractiveness of the of the courthouse. Well, in 50 years, Bill, you can open the time capsule. You're at a loss of words. I put him in the time capsule. If if I die before that time capsule is done, cremate me and stick me right in there with a in the muzzle of a canon.

And this is your favorite councilman of 200 whatever. Okay, moving on. Randy Fox, airport update. Morning, ladies and gentlemen. Good morning.

Good morning, Randy. here. Um we did approve a contract for the new tea hangers which are actually going to go in the space where the church was. Um the fence that surrounded the church, separated them from us is going to be moved out to the uh firm or the road, whatever the appropriate clearance is. And then the new hangers are going to go in that space. Um, we're pretty sure that we will not uh see the entire life of this loan that we'll pay it off early, but we have a loan that's uh was done. Um, lunch on the fly. I said last month that it was supposed to start this month u from 11 to 1 on the third Friday. Uh, Sweet Aviation puts a a little suaree together in the main hanger and you can get hot dogs and hamburgers and fun stuff, I guess. And then our meeting follows at 1:00 at the uh at the terminal building. Um, our taxiway project uh is pretty much complete. There's still some grading issues and a couple lights that need to be sunk so that there you don't hit bumps when you drive down the taxi way. And u I have a report from Sweet Aviation every uh every month at the board meeting. Um Scotty helper from suite gives us a key of their operations and uh we of the lowled which goes into this light airplanes uh in the month of February they sold 296 gallons of fuel at the airport. Uh most of those airplanes will hold between 25 and 40

gallons. So somebody's been filling up somewhere. Um the uh we had 90 uh total transactions to do that and uh self-s serve uh 15 people flew in, taxied up to the pump, stuck their credit card in, pumped their own gas, and probably left. That was the month of February, and we didn't have a lot of traffic that month. Uh jet A for February, we sold 15,350 gallons. Uh we've got 24,000 gallons on site. So we did probably almost 2/3 of our total uh supply on site for February. And then uh the main hanger, if you go to the terminal and you go in the front door, the main hanger would be off to the south a little bit there. Big doors you can see open. Uh we have 19 hanger tenants. Four of them are jet aircraft and 15 are general aviation. Um the flight school did 39 training flights, 18 simulator sessions, one check ride, eight rentals, and one discovery flight in February. So, the sweet guys are busy. Um, they have done wonderful stuff for us. We're very happy with them and their services they provide. They're a little distressed because in 2027 again, we're going to be closed for at least two months when they mill up the runway and replace it. But it's just the cost of doing business and staying in business for the next 30 years. With that, I'll take any questions.

How did you say the lunchons are? 11 11 to 1. And when do they end? They end in September. October. Yeah, I think October is when they end. Third Friday. Third Friday. Y week. I can't look at my calendar. Oh, that's all right. third third Friday. You can come anytime between 11:00 and 1 after.

Yep. Walk in. And of course, they've always got a donation thing if you want, but if you don't want to, the food's free and you'll I think we've had, you know, 25 30 aircraft have come in to the point where the ramp was really tight. But

Randy, are there any any plans for a fly in or anything like that this summer? Uh, not that I know of at this point. Um, everything's been under construction for so long that we weren't looking out for those kind of things. We didn't really know, you know, the construction on the T- hangers is going to start uh any time now. Uh, actually, we've told the people the B and C rows are the old hangers far end. Those are going to be leveled probably in December of this year. Um, we've told the people that are in those hangers that they can reserve one of the new ones and we hope to have everybody out of the BNC row by December and then raise those then which makes space probably for a corporate hanger. If somebody wanted to put a larger aircraft on site, that space would probably qualify for that because that would keep it back out of the the runway protection area. But no, as far as the fly in, I missed that. We did it a couple years ago. Had a great day. Um I honestly I'll ask this weekend or next week and just see if that's something we're looking forward to.

Anybody else have any questions or comments for Randy? A couple years ago, you guys had the Ford tri motor. Yes. Come in. Yes. That seemed like that turned out to be a really good event. Are you guys and I know that I talked to the pilot afterwards. He goes, "We want to come back here." Is that anything you guys have talked about? I haven't heard that. Usually that was in conjunction with the fall auction. Okay. Right.

And uh they they would fly in. And during our our meeting, the last time they were here, of course, we could look right out on the ramp. I think they loaded four times during the hour and a half that we were in the meeting. They would bring that down, load up about six people, kick six people out, take off and fly around and come back again. And Russ said it was like that for like three continuous days. So, it has it's been a long time. I was still an active pilot um when they started coming here and I haven't done that long time.

Anybody else have any questions or comments for Randy? Thank you, Randy. Great report as always. Thank you. Thank you, Eddie. I need to add in um any time. Erin Potter from Alliance Industries. She had requested I don't have her. Uh we're ahead of schedule. Is she here right now? Okay, Erin, you want to come on up, please?

Good morning. Morning.

Um I'm Aaron Potter. I'm the executive director of Alliance Industries. So, I just want to thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Um, I want to thank you for your support. Um, and the approval of the funding that was allocated uh to Alliance. This funding is more than just a contribution. It's an investment in opportunity and growth um in our community. It helps um extend our services and continue our mission of providing meaningful employment opportunities to uh adults with disabilities. Um one of our biggest challenges is finding the right balance between the number of individuals um we serve based on our work volume. Um and this funding helps narrow that gap by providing the resources needed to deliver, you know, accurate supply chain forecasting so that we can kind of plan for the eb and flow of um the manufacturing industry. Um we currently partner with eight manufacturing companies right now. Um, Ricky Packaging, Fastenol, Eaton, um, Deco Hendrickson Distribution, um, ZNF Active Safety, SCP Limited, and we've recently formed a new partnership with Ricky Dispensing, which, um, is out of New Albany, Ohio. So um all our partnerships provide the material and that allows our team members to uh produce hand assembled uh products. Um alliance offers our team members the opportunity to work at their own pace and within a boundary of security. um and it's based kind of on their their

strengths and their abilities. So, this funding also ensures that our direct support staff is supported and they receive the specialized training and resources um that they need as our production team grows based on our on our work volume. Um, we currently serve 42 team members and in 2025 we were able to hire eight new team members from our waiting list which is now down to 22. U, we don't receive any federal or state funding. So the funding need for needed for everything outside of our team members earnings is obtained through multiple fundraising avenues like grants, um fundraising events and private and corporate donorships. Um all of those things require a significant amount of time for planning and stewardship. Um, in 2025 through uh collaborative partnerships with organizations such as Dart and the AWS Foundation, we were able to provide a reduced bus fair for alliance team members to get to and from work for a year. um through a partnership with Three Rivers, the Heart Association, and uh private donors, we were able to purchase an AED and provide CPR and AED training um for our direct support staff. And most recently, the community foundation gifted us the funding for pneumatic height adjustable workts so that we can make sure our team members who use mobility devices are ergonomically supported throughout their workday. Um, our wreath festival last year, this is the biggest our biggest event,

raised just over $40,000. Um, and I think that's that's the most we've raised since I've been involved. So, we're pretty proud of proud of that. Um, and through through our recent fundraising efforts in 2025, we're able to reduce our debt by 47%. So, we've been we've been working really hard. Um, nonprofit work is never done alone. It's built on partnerships and compassion and determination by like-minded people who believe that together we can create a brighter future. Um last year and so far into 2026, we've brought on six new board members. Um we have a total of 10 now. Um we've got countless committee members that um include family members, friends, and former board members. Um, so our team, our leadership team is truly a network of community members working together. Um, and they all they're all contributing to the success that we've experienced here. Um, today we celebrate not only the support that you've provided, but also the trust and the confidence you placed in our organization and its leadership team. We promise to honor that trust and ensure that your support has the greatest impact possible. Um so when you begin planning for next year, please please consider Alliance and the momentum that we're that we're building. Um these funds allow us to move forward forward with purpose so that we can strengthen what's working and fix what isn't and build something even better than than what we had the year before. So, I can ensure I assure you that these funds will be used

responsibly with clear goals and careful oversight and a commitment to delivering real outcomes so that all of our all of our uh community members have the opportunity um for meaningful employment opportunities. So, you know, at as it at its core, it's about it's about people ensuring that families feel supported and that our services remain reliable so that our county continues to be a place where all individuals and businesses can thrive. So, thank you for believing in our mission and for standing with us as we continue our meaningful work. Um, but thank you for your time and your leadership and dedication to our community. So stop by alliance anytime and visit. So

a quick question. Yes. The 47% reduce in debt. Was that over a certain year? It's just the debt that overall overall. Okay. Since I've been there. So got it. Um how long have you been the executive? I've been I've been there for three going on four years. So

Erin, I want to thank you for your work. Being a part of the nonprofit landscape and world in EAP County, I've really seen alliance flourish over the last four years and and and grow much much stronger as organization. A lot of that due to your leadership and getting new board members and as part of thriving nonprofit. So, thank you for doing that. Thank you. Appreciate that.

I just want to add, Erin, um I've been familiar with Alliance for many years there. It's been a bright spot in our community there and appreciate all you do. You got that nice new addition on there now and everything and it's really come full circle. It's a bright spot in our community. It really is. So, thank you for all you do and your group. Thank you very much for your kind words. Uh, is this for decel residents or is it do it for other county residents?

Other counties as well. We've tried to kind of expand our reach into um Allen County a little bit. Um northern Allen County. So, we've got we've got some individuals that that live that live there. Excuse my ignorance. I I don't know much about I mean, and that's why I'm asking. Oh, that's fine. As and these um what companies you suggest? I know some of them's in Decal County, but they're not all in Decal County, right? Correct. Yes. Hendrickson is in Noble County, Hendrickson Distribution. And then, um, Eaton used to be in Auburn.

Um, but they moved their division to, um, North Carolina and they still ship us our parts. So, we're proud of that partnership still. Was that something you can uh work inside your own building and stuff and do you set up? Yeah, they ship us the materials, we assemble it, and then we ship it back. Thank you and keep up the good work.

Well, thank you. Um, real quick, our chicken noodle dinner fundraiser is coming up on Saturday, April 18th at the Horseman's Association from 4 to 7. So, I have flyers and um raffle tickets available. So, if anybody take a look at those Thank you very much. Thank you.

Okay, moving on. We have the uh jail annual jail report for 2025 from Sheriff Thomas. What we need to do, does anybody have any questions regarding it? Hearing none. Uh, if somebody would like to make a motion for acceptance. We have a motion to accept the jail report by Amy Proer. Do we have a second?

Second by Bob Craft. Is there any further discussion, questions, or anything regarding the jail report? I do have one and I just was looking to see if it was in this report or not. Um, I've read a number of different things about the jail here in the last couple of months and I wasn't sure if it was in this or not, but uh I believe that once again we might have been cited for not having enough staff. in relationship to the number of prisoners that we've got. It's just something to keep in mind when it comes to uh doing the budget for next year.

Well, I said I've read I've read so many jail reports over the last six weeks that uh I wasn't sure exactly where it where it was, but we'll make a note of that and keep that in mind. There is a note about adequate. Yeah, it was 2013 staffing announcement was done.

So, it's just something to keep in mind and and you know with the fluctuation of you know it's we still haven't met on a regular basis the 80 prisoner limit that we that the commissioners have designated. Uh there was a period of time earlier this earlier this year where we were getting close to that 80 prisoner limit uh and it's essentially if you look at that uh report that the jail commander gives us every week uh it's because the state is finally taking their prisoners that have been sent to or should have gone to state prison. They're finally starting to take those and that number is down to about 15 or 16 right now. But the number of people that are in the jail that have not been to court yet is running right around 63, 64, 65 every every week. So, you know, those those are people that um we can't send them anywhere. We can't send them to community corrections. We can't send them to another jail in order to reduce this the prisoners in there. They've they've got to be held here. are prisoners that have not been to jail.

They could reside in other counties, too. Do they reside some of them reside in jail? Oh, yeah. They could. It's just that they haven't they've been arrested and they have not been to court yet. But if they're in our jail, they're I'm assuming they're going to our courts. Yes.

Uh the uh again, the state is finally taking the prisoners, which really caused us a big uh population overrun. I guess we did what we could to get people out of there by assigning people to community corrections, but um and when and we're when we're holding those prisoners for the state, you know, they're supposedly paying us and I don't that was up pretty high at one point. It was over 200,000 that state owed us. I think that's down. We've been getting those payments in. I think we're pretty

Yeah. So that that's a good thing because almost of last year it was well over 150,000 throughout the year. Rick, I don't know if you know this or are you the lison on for the jail or Yes. Um I know that guards for the jail probably is a high high turnover position already. Is ours higher than other jails? I mean I mean that staffing issue that you talked about is it uh I'm sure it is but not that we've discussed. I mean, I'm sure it has to be high turnover, no matter where you're at.

It It's not It's not a topic that we that the sheriff and I have discussed lately, but uh it used to have a high turnover, but we raised the pay so that we were able to keep people a little more often. And you know, it used to be that u being a jailer was the preliminary step to becoming a road officer. So, you know, we're not just lose if we lose them, we may not be losing them just to because they don't want to work that work that that population, but but they found a job or been able to transfer into into regular police work.

I made a note that we'll address the staffing analysis at budget time. So, thanks for bringing that up, Amy. 2013 study. What is I see the number of transport miles 64,000 miles has that from transforming people to if they if they go to state prison we got to take them there. Yeah. Okay. That's what it's not just that would be every transport that they like Noble County or something. I mean I know just a month or so ago they went to Oklahoma. I mean it's every Oh, that was they didn't take a prisoner out there for they had to go get one.

They had to go get one. I figured that. And the other thing I was going to ask is uh mental health. Where do they take those prisoners to if they're court order mental health? You know, the back page they have three. They have three there. I Northeastern Center has services. We discussed in jail. Yeah. But are they so they can hold like a prisoner or Oh, I said no change. I

mean, be able to assess the situation and figure out which avenue that person needs to be. But there are services. We don't always have to take them to Fort Wayne like that's the, you know, As they talked about when Steve was here last month, we have the U crisis center out here now so that they can go to that crisis center and not have to go to the jail. Before we only we didn't have that. You either took them to the emergency room or you took them to the jail. One or the other. Now we have a a third option, a better option actually.

Had a question about the the state dollars that come in. Um, what do those go into a fund specifically then for the sheriff's department? Do they go into the general fund? They go into the general fund. Yeah, because we pay we have to pay. Oh, okay. Okay. Got it. Thank you. Any further?

I know you guys talk about staffing out there. I know that the new jail design that we have from Elivitis has built in so that way you have less staffing to do with the new jail design. So as you talk about staffing maybe talk about if when we're going to start moving on that new jail also that I don't want to hire a bunch of people and then the new jail gets built in and then that has less staff because it's the way it's designed that way. Just throwing it out there. If you uh if you look at the u the most popular design right now happens to be one that the commissioners had Elivitis do for us several years ago. But if you look at the ones that they've already that Elivitis has already built, there is a station above the cells that you have one person that's able to observe all of the the U cells. it's in a semiircle rather than having to have multiple people because of the design like we have. I mean, you have no way to observe all of the the cell areas. And u I hopefully they've they've built so many of them now. Hopefully they've worked the bugs out of whatever that that design that they've come up with, but I think they've built five or six in Indiana already.

Any further discussion? Okay, we have a motion and a second. We'll call for the question. All those in favor of receiving and accepting the 2025 annual jail report signify by saying I. I. I post. Jail report is been accepted. Next item we have is the acceptance of the first quarter commissary report submitted by the sheriff. by the sheriff's department. We have a motion by Amy Proer. Do we have a second? Second by Rick Ring. Any further discussion regarding the commissary report?

Hearing none, I'll call for the question. All those in favor of uh accepting the commissary report signify by saying I.

I commissary report has been accepted. Um, moving on to council discussion. First item is uh budget guidance and uh I would just like to remind everybody that the uh salaries and um everything connected with it is left to the council. That is a that's a council decision and uh there's no action on that at the present. We will we get the budget time. Um, maintenance shop. Okay, moving on though.

So, that's the that's the uh salaries is we'll fill those numbers in. But what about the Well, yeah, we've got the supply services and the capital outlay there. And basically, that's any account that does not begin with a one. And we need to come up with a number or guidance for the employees to start thinking about adding to cutting to their supply services and capital outlay.

Rick, anything you want to add? I only I I certainly wouldn't go over 3% but uh and the the DLGF has been limited to the growth quotient to being being no more than four for the next year again. So, um 2 and a half to 3% should probably be the max because you don't know even though all the all the changes in the state um local option income taxes and and uh property tax, we don't know what all those effects are right now. We do know that there's going to be re reduced amount of dollars coming to us. Uh not they're not going to cut us, but we aren't going to go up. we aren't going to climb as high as we would have uh in previous structures.

I saw today the governor may suspend the gas tax. So that could be a shortfall of revenue coming to there possibly. So do we want to come up with a number here for the office holders to try to shoot for knowing that that could change subject to change? I don't know. I mean, you know, and those things that we're those things that we're talking about, the twos and the threes, a lot of that is going to be dictated by what maintenance contracts and service contracts we have with these other companies. So, which could be more, could be less.

Yeah, exactly. Because all of those companies that we're dealing with are dealing with increased fuel costs and things like that. So, I would say I would say make it make it three. Make it a 3%. Does that need a You can always We I mean we can always at the time that we're looking at the budget, we can always add to it, but we could do that with consensus from the council. Does that need to be a vote or 3%. I would think we would need to vote on it. Yeah.

Okay. Hold this thought. This is just guidance that my office needs to provide to all of the department heads when they're building their budget. At budget time, council can add, but they also can take away. So, you can give them 3%, but like if we don't know that there is a contract that is going to require x amount of dollars for that year, we probably should know about that so that you guys don't reduce it. But if they ask for some 3% in a different account that does not have a contract, you guys are able to reduce that. Because you say 3% as a suggestion right now, that does not mean that you're 3% in

and this is not a hard fast number. This is just for guidance purposes only. Correct. And it would be a consensus from the council if we wanted to go 3%. It can change and there's still so much up in the air yet regarding is coming to the counties. Well, and and the department head should know if they're going to get a big increase from a vendor. They should know that and we should have that information coming from them that it's going to be a larger increase than what we're wanting. And I think it should be up too because there's a lot of those lines, those smaller lines, different office supplies and stuff a lot of times that they've kept flat

year after year almost and just because they aren't spending that much. So I hope we don't want them automatically to put 3% on everything even if they don't foresee spending. I agree, Bob. I think asking for no increase on those lines where they have been able to not spend those dollars and and just be honest and say, "Yeah, we we didn't spend all those dollars last year. We don't need more." Then let's not do that. I am very concerned about what that looks going to look like tax dollars coming in. So very concerned. Well, and don't forget some of these things we'll have no control over.

Correct. Even though even though the state supreme court has said that our probation officers are state employees, we're still required to pay them. We're still required to give them their benefits. We are still required to pay at the rates that they've established. You don't have any choice. Um so there's a there's a number of things like that throughout the budget. With that in mind, I just think we we need to be very conservative on this end so that we can make sure that we're able to pay employees dollars that they need. What would you recommend? Flatline then, Amy?

I would recommend a flat line at this point. I mean, they're going to come in and say, "Hey, this contract absolutely is going up and okay, we can't do anything about that. Then absolutely, we'll pay that." But requesting that they keep those lines flat from last year where they can. Um, and then if we can, in my experience on the council, when we say, well, we'll we'll we'll start here, we never go backwards. We always go up. Um, so I would say let's let's start at the very minimum. Let's start at the everything flat from last year unless you absolutely know. And then if you do come back and say, hey, at budget time this is going to be more expensive. Paper went up. Okay, raise that. But let's start with very conservative because because to Rick's point, we just I'm not sure what's what's going to look like next year. Rather be more conservative now and then at budget time, hey, we can we can spend a little more.

Historically, we've been able to advertise high enough in the beginning that we are able to cut. My question is, can we add to it? If if we if you ad if you advertise a certain number and we add to that number later.

Okay. So, let me back up. So, with what Amy is saying, if which I completely understand, if they have something that they absolutely know is going to increase, when they present their budget, they have to tell us at that time because I'm not going to advertise an inflated budget for every single account. I've only ever advertised higher in personal services because the wages are always something that it takes a while for you guys to decide what you're doing. I don't ever advertise extra in any of the other accounts. So, if they aren't telling you at budget presentation that I have a contract that's going to be XYZ, which is more than it was in 26, that account is not going to get advertised inflated for that next amount because I won't have any idea about that. So we can cut what you've advertised, but we can't add to what you've advertised.

Correct. So that's the important thing to keep in mind.

Well, I agree with her. And we should keep it as as you know 1% 0% growth. But if you got something that you want 3% or 4% when it comes to budget time, come in and explain and give us a good reason why we should support if you know and then we will set the salaries what when we get done with everything to to what we have money if we have the money there. But I I I'd like to see them come in as many of them come in as zero growth the word I want zero increase except for maybe you know that hey I'm going to have to change some computers out. So I'm going to have to have another three 4% to change computers out because this is our rotation. You know if you listen to everybody you should rotate your computers out every five years. I don't know whe how close we follow that but you know you talk to Farm Bureau and anybody they said you should throw your computer away every five years and start over again and so but I'm I'm just saying that example but I think we should keep it as close as zero and says if you want something that 3% growth like that come into their meeting the first time explain it to us so that we can understand it or look at it so that their second set of meetings we can say deny it or say Okay, we got to have it this way. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a vendor increase. I mean, I remember the coroner one year we had way more deaths and she had to have more body bags. I mean, that's something, you know, it's just they look at their last history and say, "Oh, well, this is up. We're using way more of this. I had to increase this." I mean, that's a trend that they can explain to us over the last year. Doesn't have to be a vendor contract necessarily trend.

And and I will strongly suggest that each one of us talk to our department's head very seriously about this and tell them this is what we're going to do. We don't know what the state's going to do to us. We could be walking into a wall and if you want to keep your salaries increasing, your benefits and everything, make sure you do what try to do what we ask. I know it's not always possible, but I I would like to have every one of us make sure we discuss everything with our as one way I mean as with our department heads as we move forward.

Can I see something real quick? Um so in the past two years when we have when we have um been in the middle middle of our budget sessions, we have really really good department heads and elected officials. They provide a lot of information. I have heard feedback from them where they put a lot of time into what's being asked of them. So, their five-year capital needs plan and other other things like that and they have felt that they turn it in and that's all that happens. They turn it in, we ask for it again and they feel like they're wasting their time or spinning their wheels because it's not really looked at deeply enough. And I'm not saying that's necessarily our fault. I'm not saying it's their fault, but I think that when going forward, we really need to pay attention to that because I think that a lot of them try to give us good insight as much as they can. I mean, there are a lot of contracts. I mean, 90% of the contracts that we have here, Susan's responsible for, we don't necessarily know. So, the elected officials or the department heads may not know either, but maybe going forward, that's part of the reason that Susan had requested this. We can give them that guidance. if they know they have X, Y, and Z vendors, maybe they can reach out and see if they can get familiar with that first. Then at budget time, I really think that all of us need to really dig in and and deeply listen to that. Sometimes I feel like they come in and those days are so jam-packed that we really are, you know, just spinning our wheels. I feel like we really need to understand that we might not be able to just say, "Yep, you're here. Oh, yep. I see that increase. Thanks for stopping in." Because they do put a lot of time and effort into that. And I don't know if we need to maybe change how we do those sessions. If you all have any recommendations, I would love to hear them. I know Susan would. Her and I have talked about this numerous times. So, if you think of anything that would be better so that way when we're prior to being at that session, if you've all talked to your departments and you have recommendations

with them, you can get with me and like or Susan and maybe we can help um dive into that a little bit better. I just want to make sure that we're we're putting in the same effort that they're putting in and that way neither one of us are frustrated when it comes to the budget time. I can definitely see that capital because we asked for that capital but we don't drive when it's done. So they kind of kind of kind of have to drive it say okay I really need we really need to do this capital improvement this year maybe the next one the next year. another reason that it needs to be laid out in some type of an Excel spreadsheet with timelines on it and being able to mark it off when it's done.

I think if we had I think it's a great idea, Rick, is some kind of an Excel spreadsheet that's that's trackable and if that was in our like where we keep all of our documents and stuff so that at any moment I can go in and look to see something. I don't know what how that worked, what that looks like, but I know in the space study too they mentioned that at any time we should be able to go in and kind of look and see what some of that information and I keep track of it so I have it but it's not always in Excel I love Excel and I think it's a way to track

it is something Amy that was um in the budgeting and finance meetings that uh the AIC has provided for um all council people commissioners auditors that has been something that they have been promoting now for almost 15 And we're we've been trying to get there and we still aren't there.

But it it is and it needs to be set up in such a way that in like there should be one for dollars that come from cumitive cap that should be in there uh with all those expenses. But if it's things that are going to be bought out of the highway fund, that's a whole different spreadsheet. Don't mix them up because it confuses that you you think you have $10,000 in there, but actually, well, there's only 750 in there. So, it it's but it's going to take a lot of time.

We separated them. I have those. I've have those. I've separated. I've provided them, but nothing happens with them. So I've done that multiple years and separated them. I think having them earlier so that I always feel very rushed as well during budget season. It feels very, hey, we just want to get in and get out. But having that ahead of time, being able to talk about it is helpful. And I know there's usually guys are good in a week or two. It feels very Yeah, it feels I feel that there's a lot of departments that are not visited by their liaison and

okay so if all of you would actually meet with all of your departments and actually understand that department and their needs I think that the days would come much because you're always asking me well do you know why they need this I have my own department I know a lot of what everybody needs But I can't answer every single questions that you guys ask me because they're not my Are the budget presentation days July 15th and 16th? Move that back. We that what's the budget presentation days?

It's not on our regular council time. I remember because I'm going to be out out of I have the 15th and 16th. I have the 15th and 16th. Yeah, because we moved it from the 8th and the 9th and I was and I told you guys I can't be here. I'm out of country then on the eth and the nth. No, on the 15th I called in Dave that day and told him.

We move it back to the and I still have the 15th and 16th on my calendar.

Everybody agreement

so deciding what we want to do with this. Um when are we going to have uh Jeff Peters come up? Has anybody have you anybody reached out and say you know you like to see what your point of view are? We waiting to see the final numbers are coming out of the state house. We know what I have provided them all of their reports that they are needing. So they're they're working on the fiscal plan. It's not ever ready by April, right? Yeah. Sometimes we have it in May. I I will ask, but yeah, I mean he comes every year. I think it's May. I think he came last year in May.

Well, is it July whatever the month of July? Is that our presentations?

The U whether or not this actually happens this year or not. I know that uh the cities and towns had have been having meetings around the state right now uh because they would like to they would like to see the county lose part of their local option income tax ability uh and move it over to the cities and towns. Um want to take us from a 1.2 two down to a seven and then add to what the cities and towns are able to do. Uh not a good idea number one, but um these must committees that are being set up to where we'll have to meet with the financial officers of the cities and towns uh to determine some of these local option income taxes. There is a a right now AIC is putting together a list of the information that we need to have not only for ourselves but also for the municipalities in order to sit down and make some of those evaluations. It's two pages long and it's it's very it's very detailed. we we will have more detail with what's being asked for than we've ever had in the past. That is that's going to be one of the the advantages of going to this. And Susan, I don't know if you've seen this or not yet. uh if you go to the uh state called me or the district meeting AIC district meeting you'll see some of this and it's going to also be presented at the budget and finance committee meeting or training before that meeting but it's an extensive amount of uh

information that's needed because if these must committees come together and a they decide how they want to divide this uh county councils have a veto. It has to be 100% unanimous. It can and um you're going to get into a room with with six or seven or eight financial officers. In some counties, you're going to be 15 or 20 financial officers plus one county council member. It has to be a unanimous decision. So, whoever that person is, and it's most likely going to be you, Dave, um, as that representative at that committee meeting, um, you need to have this information and have a good understanding because we could lose. I mean, we'll be on the, you know, there's not a lot that the counties do that we can reduce. We got to pay probation officers. We have to run the jail. We have to pay the medical expenses of people in jail. We have a we have a sheriff's department that has to be there. We can could reduce some of those services, but it's it's unlikely that that's going to happen. All of the services of the of the people in the courthouse are things that are being offered to the entire county. Uh we can't reduce so much of what we're doing. Not so sure that that's the same case with with cities and towns. If they don't have the funds to provide X in the parks, then that may have to be reduced. But you can't reduce the jail. You can't say, "I'm sorry, we're full. Nobody comes in here or you need to go. You're you're a prisoner that has to have medical care. Sorry, can't can't take care of you." We don't have that

choice. We have to provide those services. So, you know, it's it's Being a county council person is more than sitting here for two hours once a month. If you're not spending a good 15 to 20 hours a week going through talking to your people, seeing reading and and educating yourself, you're not doing your job. that county council is going to become one of the most important, if not the most important function in county government because of your control over the finances. You've got to spend the time. That's it.

Good points, Rick. Um, it seems like every year as we get closer to budget time, there's more uncertainty from the state. And this year, I think there's probably the most uncertainty I've seen in many, many years here as to just what kind of money and and where it's all going to come from. And and I just want to thank Susan and commend Susan and and Jody because I know when we start at the last minute asking for changes or to find this, you guys are up 247 just about making all these last minute changes there. And there's a bunch of them. and and and it probably will be this year again as we don't know we have the uncertainty from the state on on money here. So I think everybody needs to keep in mind that they are on point make an awful lot of changes at the last minute at the request of the council. So let's let's come try to come to some kind of consensus here whether we want flatline whether we want to look at a 2% 2 and a half 3% um it's not a hard fast number it just means that we come to consensus here to look towards that to give the budget or the office holders some kind of direction knowing that it could all blow up. I'd like just recommend it if keep your supplies and your stuff till just close to 0% growth as you can. But if you have to have some growth because of things going up due to the different things, put it in, but keep it as close as zero. So we know that we have some money for salaries and stuff as we move on that we have an opportunity to keep more money in from salaries and other things. That would be my recommendation. I mean we know like we've talked about we know we don't some of them we don't

know what's going on and and it's true we don't I mean but I'd like to see as close to zero as you can. Let's not jump it up there too high because at the end of the day we got to make sure we got money for salaries and other issues.

Not a motion, just a suggestion and we'll go with consensus and so Bill again just the reader digest short version. Oh reader digest. What is that? Yeah. No, I mean

what I think he is saying is he would like to see all of the budgets have a 0% increase unless one in the wages we are statemandated to increase it because sometimes we are with probation officers um prosecutors certain positions have a statemandated amount. So if that statemented amount increases, that needs to be in there. On the other pieces of the budget, if you know about a specific contract or one, if you know about a specific contract that has an increased amount from 26 that you need for 27, then we need to know that. And probably it would be nice if we had that documentation with the budget submission. Or if you have a, you know, like maybe the assessor might have a huge know of a huge increase that she's going to have in postage, not necessarily have an actual contract, but

something's trending up. So that then that should be in there. Otherwise, it should be a 0%.

Yeah. Well, you also have like the um police officers, the surveyors, uh the planning commission all run vehicles who know what gas is doing now. I'm surprised we're not in here with more additions. We might be towards the end of the year, but that's going to have to be an increase in it. I'm not, as far as I'm concerned, they don't need to put anything in for their salaries. We will look at each individual office and and when we can, we we can increase that to what we can, which will be across the board. I mean, it just won't be a 25% increase for the council and 2% increase for the auditor's office, but you know, but uh that I'm not worried about. It's the other supplies you need. They need to know. Okay, we run these vehicles is the thing I'm going to stay with the vehicles because the gas is what 519 up to Ashley if I looked at it. Not 519, that was diesel. 419 up to Ashley yesterday. So that increased, you know, I have two type of things and and so we got to, you know, you know, we got to think of that, too, because we don't think if this keeps going on overseas, our fuel ain't coming down and everything. And so we got to look at that. And then like the commissioners, they'll have the insurance deal and stuff. We have to know what the insurance is coming in and stuff, what it's going to cost us and everything.

That, you know, the this price of gas right now is going to affect the amount of money that we're getting for the highway department. And that's, you know, and we're talking about this year's budget and probably ought to be able to figure out what we're getting in the highway funds every month is just is that is that dollar amount going down or not? Some people will stop buying gas, other people will not. So So I think we're at a 0%. That's what I'm saying. Okay. I mean, and the thing of it is if we

if we want to go up if we want to go up, we can move it up a little bit at budget time at the first meeting. Say, okay, we we have a chance to raise. I just need to look at it. I I'm not going to say a chance, but we need to look at it. And when they come in and talk to us and say, "Hey, I have to have stamps." What is stamp supposed to go up 97 cents here pretty soon? Ain't it? Yeah. I think to me the bottom line is we just don't want to be blindsided with big numbers here at the last minute. So, you know, with the the office holders have always done a good job of of

keeping the lines guidance airlines lines flat or whatever there. They've done a good job. But and and Rick brought up a good point and I think Amy did too. We as liaison, we need to be discussing this between now and budget time with our groups that we represent here so we're not blindsided on huge expenses and and the big thing for office holders if you have contracts and stuff. Call your vendors and try to get them pinned down if we looking what kind of an increase coming up there. So, so on Bill's recommendation here, we'll just do we have consensus of of keeping things And we can always change at budget time.

They know contract or a trend. Correct. And they need to present that contract or that. Correct. See all heads shaking. So we have consensus on that. Susan, thank you. Thank you. Uh last item we have is a maintenance officer position. We have a job description that needs approval. Bob, do you want to address this or

Yeah, it's actually um they redid the maintenance job descriptions for those staff under Larry and they basically are making them similar because they do a lot of the same things. However, um there is longevity pace. The one that has more experience and no more knowledge is going to get paid automatically a little more there. But they're going into a range where Larry has the ability to pay the one with more experience a higher level of that range and the one with less experience lower range. Well, that's what we expect of all the department heads, but that's for certain I think the case here. So the the job descriptions of those two individuals are very very similar because they do they may do the exact same things work the exact same project but one guy's been plumbing for 10 years. One guy's just learning plumbing as he's on the job. He's still doing it but he's learning it. And so there's two different opportunities for those pay difference to be there. One is in the range, the other one is longevity pay.

Any further discussion? So, do we need to approve this job description or Y? Are you making that motion? Yep. I'll make a motion. I'll make I'll second it. Okay. We have a motion by Bob Craft. We have a second by Rick Ring to approve this maintenance officer job description. Now, discussion. Anybody questions? This we're not set wages on this or anything. They just changed the job description. Right.

This was after Larry's Larry's job description was revised to encompass everything that the commissioners wanted to add, that one was adjusted. And then after that one was adjusted his two employees because they're working on projects the same, but they were different. Their job descriptions were much different. So now it's more important. This is this will this will fit both of their employ. Yeah. And any any new employee that comes in, one of them moves on, right? Will fit the job description. Okay. The range is much broader.

That way if you have someone that's newer, they might be doing the same job, but the experiences. But we have a range set. Oh yes. Good question. Thanks, Bill. Thank you. Anything else? Not I'll call for the question. All those in favor of uh approving the job description for the maintenance officer signify by saying I.

I job description has been approved. Now Dave, I have another topic in this area. Uh there is now a conflict between um the job description for um the chief or head of maintenance and homeland security with u a raise that the commissioners asked that be we be put in apparently while I was here but not here. I was I was out of the state but we approved this job increase this dollar amount increase back in January. um it does not fit into the WHIS study as to where it's at as far as the level and pay and that has been brought to my attention and to Jim Miller's attention. I think it needs to be looked at and I believe it needs to be done in an executive session. Um because we need to we need to discuss it. Um and it does involve individuals and it is pay. Um so I would suggest that we um uh have I I think that waiting until the May meeting is probably going to be too late. I think we need to have an executive session of the full council uh to discuss these two job descriptions and the rate of pay uh between now and and the end of the month. We've done that before. Um let's take a look at dates. This is something could be done during the day, could be done evening as an executive session there. So it doesn't have to.

Yeah, you just she just needs what three days notice or So and I think Rick is correct there that we would need to do this by the end of the month here for the May meeting. So any particular dates that anybody has again this could be an evening meeting April 31st. that farm calendar again. Um, next week um the only evening next week would be Monday Monday evening.

What about next or or Tuesday if it was after six o'clock? Well, I'm open for suggestions. I said I can't If we're looking at the next few days, I can't do anything until Thursday. It's after tomorrow. I'm I can't do anything ne this week at all. It has to be next week. So, next week I And this is just me. Um I can't do anything till Thursday. I meetings.

I can't do Thursday. the week after that. Um, Monday, Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, and Friday. If you're going to do evening, so that's the week of the 20th. Yeah. Okay. And you can't do what, Rick? I cannot do Wednesday or Thursday that week. So, just Monday, Tuesday. Look on the week of the 20th. The 21st. I can't do Monday. Okay. 21st. I can do the 21st. Amy, Chris, Bill, what day is it? Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday.

April. Evening. 6 o'clock. 7 o'clock. 7 o'clock. Tuesday. Well, the better. 6 o'clock. Fine with me. Okay. So, if you want to advertise in that's uh Tuesday the 21st at 6:00 pm executive session. Actually, that we can't that'll just be us. That's us. Well, should we invite the commissioners in also? And we don't have to. I mean, we can

Well, do we have to have one of them here to explain something to us what we got ourselves into or can you handle that? It pro probably should have one of the commissioners if possible. We have concerns and it affects I we can hash it all out in one meeting together rather than going back and forth. Yeah, it would be best that way. I'd rather we'll have Dy here. Did leave already? He's on the phone. Oh, okay. We'll have Rick have Daddy here also. Yes, Dy should be here. And Don, our attorney, I suppose. Yeah, Don could be here. Yeah, I don't know that it really be necessary, but No, but I think we should have

Yeah. Fine. So, would you So, if none of them can come on the 21st, are you still Yeah, we might as well go ahead with it. I mean, you have three commissioners. We should be able to get Dy's aware of the situation, so she could explain. You have the whole council body. Yes. I mean, so you got three commissioners should be able to get one here. And if Daddy can make it, that's fine. We we should be able to work uh through it, too.

Okay. So, we're in agreement on that then. Tuesday the 21st, April 21st, 6 PM here in these chambers. Do we have anything else? I'm not looking at Rick. Do we have anything else to come before the council? I do have one more thing. Thank you. I told you was going to come back or not. Chris, you better get faster. 9:45. Chris, you're Mr. Q.

All right. Now, I uh I know that I travel to a lot of meetings for the county. Commissioners passed a a rule last meeting or meeting before about having this van that used to be stationed out at Sunny Meadows that we now have to take that. I have absolutely no intention of ever using that van. It's not a requirement. It sound the way that policy reads to me, it's an it's a requirement. It's not a requirement. Okay. All right. So, it's not mandatory that that be used. Okay.

So, you can get reimbured if you drive your own vehicle. I thought it was mandatory. You can't get reimbursed for your own vehicle for mileage if you don't use that. See, that that's the confusing part. That's the way I read it. Right. That's the way I read it. If you don't use the county van, then you have to submit Okay. And that's fine. That's what we've always done. That's that's nothing nothing has nothing has changed. Okay. Very good. I meant to ask you that yesterday and I I missed out on that. Of that date. Yeah. Kellen, we're going to have an executive session Tuesday, April 21st, 6:00 pm in these chambers.

I'm emailing all of you right now. Yes. Tuesday 6 pm.

Anything else? No, I'm done. I was talking. I I have one thing to share. There's no comment on it. It's just one thing to share. My daughter texted to me yesterday and it I think it just really resonates with all of us. It's a quote. She says, "These aren't easy times to be alive, but they're amazing times to be of service." Um, I just thought in the loudness of the world, um, when she sent it to me, it just kind of resonated and I thought, you know, maybe I think we all need to hear that at some point. So, for what it's worth, he's something.

Hearing nothing more to come before the council. Chris, those famous words. I make a motion to adjourn the meeting. I'll second. And do we have uh let's move on that. All those in favor of adjourning signify by saying I. We're good. We have one name, but it doesn't count. So,