County Commissioners - Regular Meeting

to the October 20th meeting of the Clark County Board of Commissioners. Vice Chairman Mansfield, will you lead us in the pledge of allegiance? Yes, sir. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. Our invitation will be uh led by Pastor DJ Hunt. DJ, welcome. Let's pray. Gracious heavenly father, it is an honor and a privilege, Lord, to stand here today and to pray on behalf of our county. Father Lord, we thank you, Lord, for such a wonderful county and the blessings that you bestowed upon it. Father Lord, tonight we ask you, Lord, that you'll just step down in the midst of this meeting. Lord, just have your way, God. Lord, go before us, Lord. We ask you, Lord, that you'll just plant a hedge of protection around us. Keep us safe in the days ahead. And Lord, we do love you. Lord, we thank you, Lord, for everything that you're doing, what we can and cannot see. Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, we do pray. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, DJ. If everyone will please silence their cell phones and electronic devices, and I'll read the uh conflict of interest statement. In accordance with the State Government Ethics Act, is the duty of every board member to avoid both conflicts of interest and the appearance of conflicts. Does any board member have any known conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict with respect to any matter coming before this board this evening? If so, please identify the conflict and refrain from any undue participation in a particular matter. Good. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to adopt the agenda as presented. All right. Vice Chairman Mansfield has a motion to adopt the agenda. Second.

Seconded by Commissioner Moore. All in favor? Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? I'll make a motion to approve the consent. Motion by Commissioner Moore. Second.

Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in favor? All right. Next, we have public comment. We got a full house tonight. Got a lot of people signed up. If you're going to be speaking about the three reasonzonings we have tonight, that'll be at we'll have a separate public comment for those. So, anyone wants to speak on just general topics, we'll do that now. So, I'm assuming uh Miss Bryant, you're on the resoning request, right? Next, uh Mr. Rick Goff.

I've been working with the city of Morehead. and they've come up with a ADA transition plan. I've been asking this board, where's your ADA transition plan? In order to get federal funding, you have to have this plan. It's a self evaluation of all your different departments procedures. Um, I would like to give you this plan to look at to see what we got to do to get the county in compliance to all the ADA issues. And um, you know, I understand everybody here wants to do the the right thing, but you have to have a plan and a coordinator. And I have had talked to Mr. Dwayne here tonight understanding that he's going to be the coordinator, right? That's See, y'all didn't even know that, did you? So, we're all in the learning process here and hopefully we can uh make this happen. So, you know, we got to have a transition plan right here. Let me get here. You can take it. Can you give it to me? That's that's Morehead's plan. uh took two years to get that to where it's at. And it's a living document. So if you acquire property or you're building something, you you're building people do the right thing of course, but they have to know how to like remodify places or what it makes to make it work. Like in your parks, you know, the what they have to do with maintenance and everything like that. It's a plan of self- evvaluation and before you get federal funding, you're supposed to turn that plan in. That might be why we got held up in some

of our FEMA issues getting money because you don't have all the requirements to get that funding. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, I'm going to give that to you and I hope hope we get something going with it. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rick. Thank you, Chris. I know you asked me what Thursday.

We appreciate it. Uh, next, uh, looks like we have Brian Nicolo.

Good evening. I'm Brian Niclo at 1402 Salter Path Road. I'm coming here tonight to talk on a general topic. But before I start, I want to first thank the sheriff's office, the town of Bowfort Police Department, and the county staff for helping their citizens exercise their free speech rights safely. Um, I would like to say, you know, there's a lot of still a lot of emotion surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk. Um, many of the people around the world held vigils uh to include a recent gathering reme in remembrance of Charlie Kirk Day. Um, our first vigil, we had over 400 people here right here on the county courthouse steps. It was an amazing, inspirational experience where children from as young as 13 spoke to over 70 sharing their thoughts of how their u the impact of Charlie Kirk's life and legacy impacted them. uh most recently here just Friday, this past Friday, we had another gathering gathering a little smaller, but we had a young girl 11 years old speak and it was very impactful and um uh she shared that her father was among the 22 veteran suicides daily and it's a shame to hear that that's uh heart-wrenching. But also she shared that she was very aware of the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. She shared the comments she has encountered at school and it was heartbreaking to hear of her confusion as to why people would celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. Our children deserve better from us on all sides of these issues. Um I also want to share the following. Um I watched a video clip and sometimes we get caught up on our social media and I watched this video clip and it was kind of an experiment with a independent journalist. She was a conservative and she walked across and got this one gentleman to come across to the conservative side of the protest. You know, you got protest and counterprotest. He was hesitant to do it because he didn't think he would be accepted, but he walked across and he received acceptance and and praise for

his effort to come across the line. She walked across the other side of the line to the other side and was met with vitrial, hate, cause of racism, fascists. These are the things the two sides are not the same. We need to do better. I can also attest to the backlash. I posted when I posted I don't have a wide reach, but I went ahead and posted on Facebook. You know, we're going to have a gathering here and the vitrial from our and I don't think all these people when you get on Facebook community pages, not everybody's from your community. They're from off. And so I'd hate to think somebody in our community would call us racist and fascist because we're we think a certain way. So yes, so I see the vitrial. I see the hate. Again, we need to do better. We see that we had in most recent days the no kings rally. And I just want to make sure we understand over near $300 million was sponsor sponsored for that rally. And organizations like the Arabella, Buffett, Ford, Rockefeller, Soros, and Tides Foundation sponsored that. Um, and I want to say that oops, pardon me. I'll I'll wrap it up here. We're going to have another gathering. our citizens talk. We're going to talk each month and our next gathering is going to be 14 November at 6 PM right here on the courthouse steps. I thank you for your time.

Thank you, Brian. Thank you.

Next, we have Travis Klondike. Hello, thank you. Uh, my name is Travis Klondike. I serve as the associate director of the NC State University Coastal Dynamics Design Lab. U, we're a small technical assistance initiative out of the College of Design. Uh, we operate through grant funds to offer technical assistance to communities at no cost. Um, we've been working in communities across the state since 2013, predominantly after hurricanes Matthew, Florence, and Hurricane Helm most recently. Um, we've been working with Lighthouse Environment Partners and the North Carolina Coastal Federation and Carter County for the past six months or so to scope and develop resilience building projects in unincorporated parts of Carter County. I'm here today seeking county staff support to proceed with the application process with nine residential elevations in Carter County. Um, the target grant program here is the FEMA hazard mitigation grant program. Uh this specific grant program we are targeting is 100% funded through either FEMA or the state of North Carolina. So there' be no cost encumbered from Carter County. Um we will continue to work with Carter County staff in order to develop the grant application material to submit the um application by the end of October so that the homeowners can be eligible to apply for elevation of their properties. Um if awarded uh the state of North Carolina will operate a state centric administration of this grant program so that all the procurement uh vendors and uh reimbursement requests will be submitted through the state. So again there'll be at no cost um to the county itself. Um I'm but again I'm here tonight seeking county support uh to work with

staff to proceed the application process. And that's all. Thank you. Bye. All right. Next, we have a public hearing for the proposal to consider a request to reszone 4.25 acre partial on Morris Road in Swansboro from Royal Agricultural District to MC Plan Mobile Home District. Mr. Rat Matt Renal, interim planning director, assistant county manager, and many other things. Thank you for all you do, Matt.

My pleasure, sir. Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the board. Tonight, this first public hearing is for Man, I should not eat dinner so close to dinner time or to this time. My apologies. Is for a 4.25 acre parcel located on Morse Road, which is a private road in the Swansboro zip code. and the request is to reszone it from its current zoning of rural agricultural district to plan mobile home district. Uh this application is by Tidewater Associates on behalf of the property owner Joyce D Morse. Um currently the parcel is vacant. The subject property is bordered by a mobile home community to the south and west open field to the east and vacant wooded parcel to the north. The subject property is bordered by MC zoning on all sides which is approximately 36 acres. And nearby there are R15M and R20 zone properties. The subject property is situated within the limited transition came land use plan classification which this encourages uh increasing development during the next 5 to 10 years. At its meeting on September 8th, the planning commission voted 6. I apologize for that error in the staff report, but it's 6 to 0 to unanimously recommend approving the proposed resoning. 22 property owners have been notified about this. Um and we do have some maps on here. So highlighted in red is the subject property. This is just general aerial. This shows the various zoning districts around it. So as you see, it is already surrounded by MC zoning. However, there is R20 and R15M nearby. And happy to answer any questions you have before or after the public hearing.

Okay. I'll entertain a motion to go into public hearing. So moved. Second. Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield, seconded by Commissioner Clark. All in favor? All right, we are now in public hearing. Is there anyone out there would like to speak on this matter?

Howard, do we have anybody in the other room? Howard, will you check please see Go ahead. Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Josh Edmonson, Tidewater Associates. Okay.

Um here on behalf of uh the property owner, um we did submit the application to reszone. Um we are seeking to do a potential development. Um and the plan mobile home district is a desirable category. Um as that is a surrounding 36 acres. um this 4 uh two acres will be combined with the larger parcel. Um so we wanted to seek to reszoning first to avoid any split zoning even if it was for a short period of time. Um and again this would just allow consistent development over the entire 36 acres um as far as zoning goes. So I'm happy to answer any questions that you that you may have um at any time. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else who'd like to speak? Yes, sir. If you will come to the podium and state your name and address for the record. Yes, sir.

My name is Michael J. Mooney. I live at 140 Morris Road. I'm the first horse farm on the right when you pull down the road. Um I asked at the last meeting about um I think believe it was that gentleman uh if they had an idea of how many units what they're trying to get in here and I they said they couldn't tell me because there's too many other things that go on. I understand they have to draw up their plans once it goes into the zoning then then you all get to look at it. Um the main question I have is has to do with the number but it has to do with safety too. Um, how many of all ever been down? Do you know the road we're talking about? Has anybody been down that road? It's a single lane dirt road. Okay. Uh, during Florence, it was closed for almost eight days. All right. Before they got a an opening in there. Um, and numerous times before that, it was closed just from heavy thunderstorms. It's a single lane dirt road. the fire truck had to park in front of my house because I'm at the end because if something would happen there's there's no way of getting down there. It's just it's it was impossible. They couldn't get in there. Um so I think you really have to take that in consideration. Um I have no complaint against them uh expanding the the trailer park, but it's going to create what I got to need to know is how many vehicles we're talking on a single lane dirt road. Um, I tried to look at some of the things that's on the county mun thing as far as specs and all that stuff. And I'm not an engineer, so I I'm really kind of lost in all that. But uh, so my main complaint would be the amount of traffic, the safety concerns, and um, just in the last three years, I've had to go two more two horses now on steroids because of the dust that's being raised, and the vet told me it's strictly from the dust coming off the road. So, if they're not going to put a paved road in, you know,

I'll fight this thing tooth and nail. You know, if they're going to expand and do the right, that's fine. But if they're just going to build widen out the road a little bit and put some rock here and there with a increase of traffic. And plus, I see that there's going to be a commercial uh variance. I guess that's coming up later. They want to change the zoning to commercial. So, they're going to have a commercial building there. That's a different Oh, it's out.

I thought it was on my map here. Is that really more? Okay. So, they're not going to do their commercial park there. Oh, great. Commercials for a different location. Thank you. That's great.

All right. So, that's my only concern is is one safety and the amount of traffic that's going to go down a single lane. I don't know what the rules and regulations are as far as numbers and, you know, and all that. and and I can understand that they don't really know until they get their plan and you all look at it and uh but please consider that in your consideration that you know there's not a lot of people live on that road but we all live there because we wanted peace and quiet and was always a maybe six or seven people live there all year round. On the weekends it would get a little crowded but pretty much everybody's in check you know and it's pretty good and and they've really cleaned it up. I, you know, I have to say they they cleaned it up pretty good. Looks good, but uh if they're not going to do something with their road, I I don't see how you can expand anything. The it's at its max now. Plus, they built two new homes in the Godfrey Branch section. There's going to be another one going up. And uh there's there's in the future because I know because of my neighbor, he's g his granddaughter is going to build a parcel on a house right off that road. So, you know, it's it's going to grow, but please uh whatever you got to do to make the road safe, that's that's my main thing.

All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Did the gentleman from Tidewater leave or is he uh Matt, what Morris Road goes out to Silver Creek? It ends up I remember being on West Fire Tower Road. Yes. Which goes out Silver Creek. And what control do we have over upgrading that road?

So, it's currently a private road which falls under multiple ownership. Before if the reszoning is approved for this or the next case to actually develop it as a mobile home park, it has to follow the rules in appendix A, I believe it is, of our sub or of our ordinances, which requires the review after they design their plan goes through the TRC and goes to those methods. So, that's when the other agencies would really be able to weigh in if the reszoning is approved. So, would they uh put a state approved type road system in there or would somebody speak to that?

Yeah. So, at this time, and I'm going off of memory, I believe it's a 18 foot wide travelway. Um the gentleman is correct, there are several sections of the road that are not 18 foot wide now. So, we would be upgrading, we would have to upgrade this entire um path to 18 foot wide. And I believe it requires the to be I I think it requires the minimum NC DOT base standards. So it does not have to be paved, but it does have to have at least six I think it's six inch of um base if I'm not mistaken.

Um which should help cut down on the dust some um but actually it should help be an improvement to everybody who uses this path. um not just people in the back but also the people up front who access this via 30 foot 20 foot access even that runs on the property. So we would be upgrading. Yes, sir. I think our rules require it to be 20t wide. It could be. That's right. Yes, sir. But it would be it would be either 18 or 20, whatever it says. Yes. And that would come back to us. And then once the zoning change is even complete, you're going to have to do state storm water and you're going to have to do something for waste water. Correct. Yeah. So there's still a lot of steps through the process, right?

And as part of the TRC, I mean, DOT will get a copy of this, fire marshall's office, all them will be able to weigh in. Okay. Thank you. Is there anyone else would like to speak? Hearing none. Seeing none, is there a motion to close public hearing? Motion to close public hearing. Second.

Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield, seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in favor? All right, that passes. Is there a motion to approve or deny the request? I make a motion to approve the request to reszone from the uh rural agriculture to the uh MC mobile home community. Okay. Is there a second? Second. All right. Is any discussion? All right. Motion by Commissioner Clark, seconded by Commissioner Walder. All in favor? All right, that carries.

I'll make a motion to approve the statement of plan consistency and reasonleness. Would you like to read that for us, Matt? Yes, sir. So the planning commission's recommendation for this was uh granting the resoning request will make the property consistent with the neighboring and surrounded properties and they believe it is reasonable and in the public interest because it supplies affordable housing for the county residents and is consistent with the surrounding area. Okay, we had a vote to approve that. Yes. A motion was my motion.

Seconded by a motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield, seconded by Commissioner Shin. All in favor? All right. Next, we have another public hearing. Proposal to consider request to reszone 0.8 acre parial on Morris Road from R20 to MC Mobile Home District.

Good evening again. So, this is a related case. Uh the request is from Tidewater Associates on behalf of the owner Oak Escapes LLC to reszone a 108 ten of an acre sorry parcel located on Morse Road from R20 single family to MC plan mobile home district. Currently the parcel is open field with a dilapidated single family structure. Subject property is bordered by mobile home community to the southeast and west and a vacant wooded parcel to the north. The property is bordered by MC zoning to the southeast and west of approximately 36 acres and RA zone property to the north. Uh this 8/10 of an acre is actually part of the 36 acre parcel that you can see on here and unfortunately it's just one of those leftover splitzoned um from many many years ago. Uh like the previous resoning request, this property is situated in the limited transition came land use plan classification which encourages uh increasing development during the next 5 to 10 years. At the meeting on September 8th, the planning commission voted six to zero to unanimously recommend approving the proposed resoning. 41 property owners have been notified about this. Happy to answer any questions now or after.

Okay. Is there a motion to go in a public hearing? So moved. Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield. Seconded by Commissioner Moore. All in favor? We are now in public hearing. Is there anybody that would like to speak on this matter? I forgot to mention you'd have three minutes to speak, but uh try to be as close to it as you can.

I'm sorry. Uh just to kind of go back to the road and what the gentleman said, I purchased three truckloads from it'll be paged of rock to put down and then they come around and they spread it. They keep the guru graded. the rock disappears and I'm I'm telling you when it rains fact is my neighbor who's a police officer where he was on duty one time we had a heavy thunderstorm someone from the trailer park was coming up got stuck then drove on his front yard got stuck I mean unless they paved that road it's it's not going to work it's too hilly too runny there's everything runs I'm at the high end but it all runs to the river so I don't I know what he said about the state but I don't know what y'all could do But you got to have some common sense. I mean, you we're getting hit with storms and everything else. And I'm telling you, the fire truck set in front of my house because they could not get down the road. You all got to think about that. What would you do? How would you get a How would you get If you had a fire, what would you do? You'd have to go in by boat and run pumps and stuff. You got to have a decent It's got to be a real road and I have no problem. But if you're just going to, you know, spread some rock and dirt here, it's just a matter of time. And you know, I don't know if you noticed the traffic on our end of town, but there was an accident about two months ago. It was in the summer right at Taylor Notion in 58. Good old 58. Van flipped upside down. Car hit it. The traffic was stopped for 30 minutes and you couldn't go anywhere. 24 was shut down at the light. It was shut down at Taylor Ocean Road and you couldn't get anywhere. You know, I I understand about growth. I really do. We got one road out there. One road. One, two lanes. The state's been talking for years about changing intersections, doing this, doing that. That's a safety issue. I know you might

hear that all the time everywhere else, but man, you know, go to pull out on a pelleter loop road out on a 58 Saturday morning, it's it's getting to be a chore, you know. The same thing with dumps. And now you're going to have all these people going down the dump road. It's uh it's something that it's really got to need to be looked at. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Is there anyone else?

Josh Evansson, Tidewater Associates. Um I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Um I think that as we get further along in the process, we can definitely better answer a lot of concerns from any residents out there. um as we get further along in design. Um but again, happy to answer any questions you guys may have. Thank you. Well, you're going to have to build the fire marshall is going to make you build a road up to all weather surface. Correct. 20 ft wide and you're going to have to have probably a 70ft turning radius for the fire trucks to turn around. So, correct. There is a lot of hoops left to jump that the fire marshall and the technical review committee and all them will have to get in once that once they get to that stage. This is just the first stage, but that's correct.

Those are all valid concerns. And if I live down that road, I'd have the same concern. So, and fire marshall may make us upgrade past 20 ft. We don't know. So, keep keep that in mind as well. I can guarantee you it'll be 20. But that's the easiest problem you have to deal with. I'll go back to the storm water and the waste water are the key factors and they're not any part of this hearing right now or the road. This is this is just a resoning request. That's right. Yes, sir. Yep. Thank you. All right. Is there anyone else like to speak? Are there a motion to close public hearing? So moved. Motion by Commissioner Quinn. Seconded by Commissioner Waldrip. All in favor? We are now out of public hearing. Is there a motion to approve or deny the reser?

Motion to approve the request to resume the 8acre parcel located at Morris Road, Swansboro, North Carolina. Currently a zip code of Swansburg 28584. Hopefully be changed in the near future. PIN number 53662665106000000 from R20 single family residential district to MC Plan Mobile Home District. Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield, seconded by Commissioner Waldrip. All in favor? Carries. You'd like to make a motion to approve the plan consistency? Motion to approve the statement of plan consistency and reasonlessness. If you could read that out for the record again.

Absolutely. So, the planning commission's recommendation for this was it rectifies the split zoning of the parcel and it is reasonable and in the public interest because being surrounded by MC, it makes the whole parcel consistent. Uh, yes. And makes the whole parcel consistent. All right. Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield, seconded by Commissioner Waldrip. All in favor? Okay. Next, we have a public hearing for the proposal to consider a request to subdivide a partial into two tracks. Reszone track 2, 3.556 acres from R15 single family residential district to B1 conditional use zoning district. Matt Renal.

Thank you again, sir. So this resoning request or this public hearing is as you mentioned a request to subdivide a 6.157 acre parcel located at 229 Pete Road in Newport and then once it is two tracks to reszone one of the tracks. Uh Mr. Bryant Jr. is requesting this subdivision in the two tracks and then reszone the north parcel which will be approximately 2.6 I'm sorry 3.556 acres from R15M to B1 conditional zoning. the remaining parcel the which will be the southern parcel uh will stay as R15M under this proposal. The property owner has proposed the following conditions uh for B1 conditional zoning that is the operation of a landscaping business and associated contractor storage yard to support the landscaping business and office to support the landscaping business. Um in addition if the parcel if this re subdivision resoning is approved the B1CZ zone parcel will have to do buffering like is required per our code uh when there's commercial zone property and that's the residential. Currently the parcel includes a single family structure on the southern end and a storage facility and storage yard for a landscaping business. The subject property is bordered by single family homes to the south and east and industrial property to the north and vacant wooded parcel to the west. The subject property is bordered by R15M zoning to the south, east, and west and industrial and wholesale district zone property to the north. As you can see on the map, the subject property is situated within the limited transition camel use plan classification which encourages development during the next 5 to 10 years. At its meeting on September 8th, the planning commission voted 5 to1 to recommend approval of the proposed reasonzoning and subdivision. 34 property owners have been notified and I know um the applicant among others are in the audience if you have any

questions for staff or others. Uh could you state what the conditions are when you Sure. Sorry I kind of ran through that fast. R15 to a conditional use. So the conditions that would be placed if this was approved and this is on behalf of the applicant. He is placing that only operation of a landscaping business contractor storage yard to support the landscaping business and an office to support the landscaping business. So no other type of businesses would be allowed if the resoning is approved.

Okay. Uh just like with the others, uh we have to go into a public hearing. And I see we have a packed house. And I think there's some folks in the other room as well. So is there a motion to go in a public hearing? Motion by Commissioner Walrip, seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in favor? Okay. If anyone who would like to speak, I don't know if you have a particular order you want to uh go in, but you will have three minutes. If you'll state your name uh and address for the record, judging by the large crowd we got, if you Mr. Chairman, be don't be repetitive. Uh give us some new content. So, Mr. Chair, Vice Chairman,

that's the attorney representing one of the people. He shouldn't be allowed more than three minutes to speak. Right. We're fine with that. I'm Michael Lincoln out of Emerald. represent Dana Tucker who's opposed to this reszoning, right? And um her father, Mr. Lewis, would like to speak to some possible conflicts that the board may have. Mr. Lewis, you have three next door. Do we have any of our staff, Excuse me, Mr. Buddy, do we have any of our staff that might sit next door? So those three people that uh are here for this resoning can maybe sit in the room here.

Go ahead, sir. All right. Um we're asking that Chris Chadwick and uh David Quinn recruit yourself um from this because Your nephew works with Donnie. Cousin cousin works with Donnie and you're friends with Donnie. I know. And you need to recuse yourself from the from the vote and everything on this. I hear what you're saying, but madam attorney.

So, it's only a conflict of interest if it has a direct financial impact on their household. It is not a conflict of interest if you're friends with somebody or if a relative that's not in the household is involved.

Well, um what work?

Oh. Oh. Um you're talking about the uh the road and everything with Donnie take care of it. Well, really that road was paved up front by the office. It was about four inches thick. It was thick enough to hold the truck. When you pass the Rouse's office on down to the end, it was not quite to the end by Billy's house where it makes the left turn. It was paved down that way, but it weren't as thick because it was for automobiles, not heavy trucks. And the heavy trucks have tore the road up. where you go down there now, that's where you see all the holes. Donny's filled it in, but they cost it. They should have filled it in. But, um, anyway, I'm opposed to the reasonzoning.

Um, also, I want you to remember that when you took an oath, you swore on the Bible to obey the law. And so far, Donnie, he's the one that went went through the whole process backwards, build his building, done everything, and then he comes and asks for permission and no consideration at all for Dana. And I know that you have addressed wonder if that Tucker woman was still causing a lot of trouble down there. She's the only innocent innocent one in the whole bunch. All she done was had her property surveyed to find out where her property line was. They found out that Donnie was 30t over on hers. They got a gsi map of where he's dug the hole on her property to get dirt out of it and sold it. And um it it's you know it you say what you want to. It ain't right. But uh anyway, I I was reading the other morning and it it just happened to hit that 1 Timothy chapter 1 verses 8 and N. But we know that the law was good if a man use it lawfully. Verse 9 says, "Knowing this that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient." And then chapter 3:15, "The law the pillar and ground of the truth." Psalms 11:3 at the foundation be destroyed. What can the righteous do? So you can say favoritism and pass it or you can do it by the law. You're going to have to reject it. And

if you reject it, all the people that you have rejected before are going to come back to you. It's going to come back on you. But uh anyway uh I guess my three minutes is up but I have um a lot of stuff to say but I'll give somebody else opportunity to go from there. All right. Thank you Mr. Lewis. Is there anyone else like to speak?

My name is Katie Mattton. I own a home a couple houses down on 192 Pete Road with James Overy and we don't have a problem with any reasonzoning or continuing his business. So, you're in favor of it? Yes. And what's your address? 192 P.

Anyone else? Donnie Bryant 229. The property that we're talking about, you family land, it's it I think my granddad bought it in 1975. I I have many things to mention. I did do put my building there into business there or you know slowly move some things there not not knowing that it needed to have a special reasoning and you you I've been called a liar that I I had to know that um we've always worked and lived on this track of land. I believe it all totals 48 acres. I I I I truly never thought about it until I got the letter. Uh, you know, Dana was un unhappy with some things and, uh, I got two letters and, you know, I' I've worked with the county, following their lead, filled out the application. I wish I wish I would I would have done it early on had I known that that's what I needed. You know, it's our family is super divided now. There was already some tension and some some other issues, but it it's killing me. It's affected the whole entire family. All I want to do is what I've been doing. No, no bigger. I'm over halfway through my career.

Everybody on the road, I think they're all here tonight. There there might be one fella. He he didn't make it, but he he's talked to y'all. Mr. Cooper, he he's everybody is fine with it. Uh Dana told me her her main complaint and and she it was surveyed. The line wasn't where we thought it was. And I did have some things over the line. I immediately moved them with with the surveying stakes and I left something too close to, you know, it was right on the property line because I, you know, I did kind of lose some land that I thought was mine, but it it wasn't. And I'm in agreement with the survey. Um, I'm I'm going to I'm moving what was the initial issue. I' I've had trucks on that road for for many years along with Ralph to set the tank that that has many more heavy dump trucks than myself. I do get some deliveries there. There's an occasional tractor trailer that will come down the road and nor h half the time they're from up north that's decorative stone and um you know they don't know where they're at. We we most of the time would escort them down down the road. So, of course, they're driving slow and and there are a few other deliveries we get. I seen a FedEx truck come in just the other day. He was much more dangerous than anything that's ever went to my property. So, I want to get this right, do the screening, do whatever I need to do to continue this family business cuz it is my livelihood and I I don't know what I'd do if I can't operate there. So, ple please work with me on making this happen. Times up.

Thank you, Mr. Bryant. Is there anyone else? Um, may I hand y'all something before my time begins? It's just one one page.

Just bring it to the clerk if you would. The clerk will distribute. And also, may I ask that this be zoomed out just a tad? Good evening, commissioners. My name is Dana Tucker. I live at 165 Pete Road and I live next door to Bryant Turf and Landscape. Since March 2025, I have personally met with Donnie several times, expressing the impact his business has had on me and my family and directly asked him to consider alternate routes and move rock piles further from the property line. I've tried to find a compromise privately, but unfortunately, he's been unwilling to agree to any of the changes, and that's why we are here. I do ask that the resoning be denied. I believe commercial and industrial activity doesn't belong this close to residential homes. The ones in favor of this proposal are not living directly beside this activity or they work with for Rouses. There's a reason homes are far away from the Rous's business with the exception of my grandfather's own home at the time. He respected his family. Although

we live on private land, it isn't the Wild West where you can do whatever you want without regard to how it affects others. The zoning laws are meant to protect citizens from these things. However, I know there's a possibility you may decide to allow it to continue anyway. If so, I'm requesting reasonable conditions that would help protect my home and make the situation more tolerable, and these be written into the conditions of approval. This will take money and time on Donniey's part. I'm a Car County school teacher making 50,000 a year. So, I understand the hardship of money. It would be my life that is ruined if this business continues the way that it has been and it has grown exponentially since he um had a truck in a trailer. Donnie would just need to make some adjustments. If he cares about family, has expressed he will go above and beyond the minimal requirements to keep peace and wellbeing. First, first and most critically, I am asking that a new easement be used for all business traffic and access separate from the residential access. That would help keep the heavy equipment, noise, and congestion away from the homes, making it much safer. And I'm referring to the one that goes between my parcels of land, which is right here is my part. This is my home, and these are my two parcels that I had subdivided for my children. If this cannot be met, the reasonzoning should be not be denied completely. Second, move piles of rock and stone so it's not beside the residential property where large trucks ro load and unroad lock rock sorry causing major noise and they are loading and unloading right here. Third, materials kept on the property should be only for his landscaping jobs, not stockpiled or sold to other landscapers or the public. Fourth, deliveries should be limited to 8 am to 6 pm Monday through Saturday. Fourth, limit truck size to no more than six axles. U we've seen 18 wheelers and large dump trucks hauling concrete and

debris to be crushed on site and that creates a lot of noise. Fifth, I'm requesting a sixoot privacy fence in addition to a 15t vegetated buffer with evergreens at least 5t tall at planting. And then six, signage to the new access. And I would ask these conditions be a priority u completed within 120 days. I'm simply asking for fairness for the same respect and peace that every homeowner deserves. Thank you for your time and for the work you do to look out for our community. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else

again? Michael Lincoln emerald. I'm just gonna follow up on what Miss Tucker said. What she's talking about is the preferred route if it can be done. I know that Mr. Bryant's cousin Billy has this property here. I don't know who has this, but there's obvious an easement into here. If that easement could be extended to here, then Mr. Bryant could bring his trucks in this way off of Hibs Road, um, which already has a lot of traffic. What we have here is a unpaved road and the tractor trailers come in and go across it to his property. And what's going on with the use he's doing is he's actually got an industrial use more than anything else. The landscaping business he's had for a long time. We know that. But in 2018, he got a building permit to build a big commercial building. And in 2019, I believe it was completed. Since then, he's increased his business almost exponentially and it's creating all kinds of problems. I think that there's been what 280 tractor trailers and heavy truck dump trucks that have gone across Miss Tucker's property, which is right here. This is her. I mean, she's right on top of it. And this is a residential area. Yes, you have a sand pit over here, but that's about to close up, I believe, in about a year. Um, and that's uh that's owned by uh Rouses, I believe. And um what we got here is a situation that this is not compatible. There's no consistency. Uh he built the building before he asked for a reasonzoning and it wasn't done properly. I don't even think the right septic tank is out there. I don't know if that matters to the board or not, but what we got here is a commercial/industrial use right next to a residential area. And I don't believe that the the zone the county plan of zoning would be that

would be compliant with it. I don't think it's compliant. I don't think it's even close. Um it's going to be very disruptive to the residents. Now those residents that don't mind are not right on top of it like she is. And I believe that you need to take that in consideration and there's no reason why Mr. Bryant can't spend the money to to create an easement into his property down there off of Hibs Road. And that's what we're that's the condition we're asking for tonight. Thank you,

sir. Come on down. State your name and address.

My name is Billy Rouse. Um I run Ralph Septane Service and have a few properties in this neighborhood. Um let me get my bearings right. So the initial proposal they're talking about is coming in through hibs road access that is a deed easement only for rous septic tank because that goes through some other people's property through Philip whe properties right here and even my cousin Johnny owned it. They came and told me I couldn't go through there. But then we got it from Johnny and then I told the guy I'm coming through here. So I can't we can't grant him permission to come out through Hill Road. And the other proposal was to send Donnie through here right through here to Rock Road. He goes for a bit and comes down this way through our bit. So, and she's worried about her grandchildren being here, but wants wanted to send all the traffic through here through the yard of my niece who has the youngest child in the neighborhood, which is six years old. So, it's okay to send all these trucks to a six-year-old's yard, but not by her house. Um anyway,

I own RS and septic this building here. And then I own a piece of property. Trying to get my bearings right right here. Can we make that any bigger and blow that up?

Then this compound here is Ralph's and uh then this pit is Rous's. And so all these properties I'm I'm voting approved. I want to approve it. But um this is Kelsey. She's the one with the six-year-old and this is our access to our pit. I don't see sending all these trucks to a six-year-old yard is is a is a good idea. I mean um I'm sure Kelsey wouldn't mind, but to um they are thinking that's a good idea. Lucy is the youngest one in the neighborhood, which is a six-year-old. So, um I don't really think I think that's kind of selfish to try to send them through her yard.

What What is the zoning of the pit where the big pond is IW? All that's IW right there. What What's the old pit there? The one that has the water. Is that zoned IW?

Clean. I'm not sure what is uh so everybody what happened is when my grandma before she was dying all this was split up so this part of it is actually belongs to Mr. commandment. This part of it actually belongs to me. This part of it belongs to Dana. And this part of it belongs to uh Donnie Bryant. And the way all that's brought up is we can't block our we can all access the water anywhere in the water. But it's just kind of the way they broke it up when they redid the neighborhood. And as far as property lines in the neighborhood, growing up here has never been an issue. Like nobody knew where any property lines were. Nobody cared. We're all family. And now all of a sudden here recently, everybody's worried about property lines. I mean, but anyways, my time's up. But I mean, property lines have never been an issue my whole life.

Matt, do we know what the zoning is where the old pit was? The one on the south end? Yeah. Currently. Okay. Hey,

Tracy Bryant. um 208 Pete Road. I've lived here since July of 2012. I'm a qualified mental health professional and I am a regional director for a therapeutic foster care program. I fortunately have the ability to work from home um when I'm not traveling. So, I'm in the neighborhood three to four days a week. I do not have any concerns for commercial traffic. I come and go as I please. I'm never in fear of a truck on the property or on the road. Um I am in support of the zone reszoning of Mr. Bryant's property to continue to do what has been done since I've been there in 2012. So thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else? Yes, ma'am. Can you go back to the map before this? out.

I'll try to work with it if you can. Yeah. Um, this is coming into Pete Road here. There's two parts of Pete Road. This is the heavy ding. Can we make it a little bigger? Okay.

Yeah. What's your name and where? I was I want her to back that up. Yeah, he's got that. We're doing good on time, so you can say what you got to say. U Diane Lewis. Um 3620 Meadow Drive, Morehead. Um this is coming in the Rouses here. Um my this is my parents property here. All of it. Um Rouse's office is here and this is my property here. I'm trying to see the house here and this here. So this affects me just as much as anybody coming in. Rouse has started small. They they had all their equipment here. They're fine.

Okay. I'm trying. My do my daughter um is Dana and Billy that just spoke is my nephew. I'm his aunt and Tracy that just spoke that nothing bothered her. She is way down here on this property here. She doesn't even I mean it's she's in the woods so she wouldn't hear anything anyway. Um but that this uh like I said this is my daughter's two pieces of property. And this road here, it has it says it's a 40 foot ement. It's 11 foot 3 in. So, it's not 40 foot. Um, and like I said, a business should not be running through residential property. I mean, it's like spots. I mean, I mean, that's I mean, it's crazy. It just does not make sense at all. And this when you said this was um IW here, it will they say last year they said it was about ready to close. So it should be finished and it should be just a pond. Um but this is like I said here when they said the six-year-old is here the other week she said that she would let her she's out there with her child. Nothing bothers them. So I don't know why that was brought up. Um, Billy with Rouses. I have little interest in Rouses. Um, and Donnie had been using for his business. I'm not sure where I am here. My piece of property here. This whole piece right here is his equipment right here. He had been using that. And then he started bringing things over here know where he had dug his dirt. But like I said, he's been using this for years with our permission. and then my mom's permission before first and then the uh he was just using part this is Rouse's

here this little partial here was Rouse's until Rouses put it then he's the president he put it in his own name but that's a different issue but if this gets approved he'll do the same thing I'm sorry I got a getting over an illness but um like I said I definitely oppose that because it's crazy to go down here and I own like almost seven acres and like I said Ralph says they're out for the day but if you have a contractor's yard you'll have more people coming in and when they say it won't increase but it does nothing needs to go down a residential property and the people who got the letters they're here they don't know why in the world's going over here on Pete Road they only get what his application was and not why it came up.

Thank you. Is there anyone else like to speak?

Um, hey, I'm Kelsey Holt. I live at the 216 Pete Road. I'm going with the six-year-old. Um, right here we talked about the easement. That was like when I did get what's up when I did get um put my house here on this property. It was kind of like with the promise that once this was done that the trucks would no longer be having to go directly past my house. So, it would only be like a short-term live situation there. But again like none of what goes on. I grew up in it and when you grow up I don't know in construction lifestyle it's it's like a way of life you become very you get taught to become very aware of your surroundings and and same with the people that work. you tend to hire people who are going to be more mindful people. You have a selective like way of doing things because you know that you're working in within family, you know, neighborhood compounds and things. Anyways, um I don't feel like they're a danger to my child or us or our well-being or any of that. I feel like they, if anything, are like a really positive thing for my child to look up to and um see, you know, what it takes to kind of really take entrepreneuring to a new level because when you start with nothing and you, you know, work into something like that, to have it all come crashing down over dry eyes is pretty shitty. So, um, I hope that my daughter learns from Tammy and Donnie all sorts of things and I hope she can continue to watch them grow and preserve their business and what it does for our family. Anyways, thank you. That's all.

Is there anyone else?

Good evening. My name is Nathan Tucker. I live at 4625 Mill Village Road, Raleigh, North Carolina. But I grew up on 165 Pete Road, um, adjacent to the property in question tonight. Um, when I was younger, I I did I I biked. I rode go-karts on the road we're talking about right now, this road right here in front of my mom's property. Um, I know what the traffic was then and I know what it is now. And the nature of that, in my opinion, has changed. Um the proposal is to reszone this for landscaping business. I don't believe that that's consistent with the actual use of the land. I feel like it is industrial. Um and there has been a significant change and that's why we're here tonight. Um another reason we're here tonight is my mother Dana um has requested has talked to Donnie on several occasions and asked that he make accommodations for this work so that his work can continue without her being disrupted. um there there hasn't been any accommodation for that and uh that's why we're here tonight because uh you know we don't have any other recourse. If there's no accommodation, if you can't find another access point, if you can't put up a burm uh to mitigate noise, then this is kind of our only option. So, uh, while we ask that, you know, the reasoning not go through, if it does, I feel like there's some reasonable accommodations that could be had and, um, a compromise to be made so that everyone can be happy. Um, to the point about, uh, the six-year-old here and this route not being a a good alternative because of that, currently the route goes by that adjacent property right now. uh this road here, this property in question is where the six-year-old lives. And so, uh to say that by changing the route, it's going to further endanger um you know, those that live there, I don't think that's true. Um we can find another route in

this uh in this industrial land or through Hibs Road that will make everyone happy. Um and so, you know, we can come to a compromise here. So, uh, I just want to want to thank you for your time and, uh, I appreciate what y'all do. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Is there anyone else?

Hello. Um, I'm Noah Tucker. I live at 165 Pete Road right here at the properties in question. Um, I just want to give you guys kind of a an overview of what this has looked like. So when Donnie started his land, he was over here um in my grandparents property and since then his business has grown. So he's currently using two properties. He's using my grandparents property which is right here which a lot of his stuff is stored on and he's also using his over here. Um, with all this, there is a chance that my grandparents require him to move from that property. And if so, he said himself that that would also increase traffic further. So, what we're already dealing with is a lot of traffic and it being a construction industrial zone going by our house. We had, it's my brother's birthday. The other day, we're singing happy birthday and look back and there's a back hoe right here on the property and that's all I can see behind his head sticking up. Um, and there's trucks that go through and say that me or one of my brothers were to build a house on this property here, this property is directly next to where that backhoe was right here, a mere probably 50 or 100 feet away. And even if you do, you know, put conditions on that or or what have you, that sound is still there. Backhoe backing up is very loud. Um, would go through trees or anything like that. And that kind of work is just very loud and dangerous. And if I was there and I had kids there, I really just would not want them there. Um to the IW property in the back. If this, you know, we turn time back and this was also zoned, this would have likely been zoned IW as well. What the pond looks like right now is what the back pit will look like in say five or 10 year whenever it's done. Um and

They've said it's much shorter than that in the next year or two. So, I don't feel like we should add the consideration of the IW property near there as you know consideration like Kelsey, my cousin was saying that the expectation was for that to close and that truck traffic to to cease through there. Um, and with that, I would just say please deny the reasoning. Thank you.

Is there anyone else? My name is Snuffy Bryant. I live at 173 Ralphville Lane and I have worked with Ralph's septic tank service in 1973. And this four generations of people have lived, worked, and was raised there. And this was what my father-in-law and mother-in-law bought. The land was it was for work. And that land has been used for a a cow pasture. It was a an approved sewage dump site and was also a pit right there in front of like has been mentioned and construction is in there has always been just a way of life there and from the very beginning that was what this land was for and I am favor of approving the zoning. Thank you.

Thank you Mr. Bryant. Is there anyone else? Hello, my name is Ralph Welch. I live at 116 Hamilton Road, Morehead City. I'm here tonight to to oppose the reszoning of 229 Pete Road. The reasonzoning would be kind of like a reward to turf to Brian's turf and landscaping. Downy's business works in commercial and residential work. When you're in those arenas, you know the difference, and I've been in them. You know the difference between commercial property and residential property. That this this isn't a matter of what the land was and when it was. It's a clear violation of the zoning laws. The building he built is a 4,500 square foot building. wasn't built just to house a tractor or maybe a pickup truck. It was intended to be a warehouse. It was said earlier that um something about the septic. I couldn't find a septic permit for that building. So, my question comes up is what else on the property hasn't been licensed or permitted? Um, the main reason I'm here is is for setting past precedents. The business is in violation. It was never confirmed or it was never zoned business. If the if you guys zone it tonight, commercial or approve it, past precedent will be set and you will have other businesses and other people in the county that have been denied and they're going to hear about this and they're going to be up here banging on your door. One in particular, Pro Green, down

in Stargaze Lane. I'm sure they're going to hear about this. And then what it does start is if it does, it starts spot zoning around the county. little pieces of commercial property that kind of like a devalue residential land. In this case, there's one person that takes the beating. That's 165 right now, Miss Tucker. And then her two lots. If there's no win-win situation with the alternate routes, then it's got to be denied. They just said that the the easements would not be allowed to go through. They couldn't do it. That's the condition, the main condition. If it can't, you got to deny it. And I feel sorry for Mr. Bryant, but he'll just have to move his business to a commercial piece of property just like anybody else would have to do. Um, I don't know if any of y'all have been out there, but it's 4 acres. These are not just little bins put up to house enough for one company. These are big large bins to put dump truck loads of concrete, mulch, whatever. As far as uh safety, you know, you heard from the other guy that the dust was affecting his horses. So the dust, the noise pollution is a considerable factor, especially when you're it's right there on top of the property. So my question is is that there are zoning laws, regulations. Why are they there? So I'm adamantly opposed to this because of the past what it will do for the county and you guys will have an overburden of people coming to you wanting to be reszoned. Thank you for your time.

Could you show me where Hamilton Road is in relation to this map? It's up the road about mile and a half on the right. Right past like on highway on Highway 24. Yes, sir. Okay. Is there anyone else?

Hey, my name is Shannon Inman. I live at 1636 Highway 24. I own the land right here on the front. Um it's sad that we here as family and um it's amazing how things can go south quick when the queen leaves. Grandma and granddaddy both uh hate to see our family divided. Um and to be straight up, nobody wants to see Donnie fail. I mean, Donniey's a good businessman. Is they've done great for theirel. Um and nobody wants to see my cousin Dana hurt. Um, it hurts me to even stand up here. Um, one thing I would like to clear up though is when my granddaddy I was with my granddaddy when he bought that property. I moved out there with my grandma and granddaddy. All of us has grew up there. My granddaddy bought that property for the family to be there. He wanted everybody to succeed, but he put his business at the front of the front of the lots. The land where we are at and where Dana, Donnie, and all of us to begin. My house used to be where Dana's at. I was me and Uncle Billy was the first two houses back there except for Coopers which is on the far right. That land was Granddaddy was going to make a trailer park, mobile home park out of it, but the lot would not perk so it changed it. So then it became family land. He give it to our families. That's where it came from. Grenade. Yeah. He wanted us to see us succeed. Every one of us different businesses and things we're doing. The only problem I have is the effect that this property is doing with Dana. The sad thing is Dana went to Donnie and asked him if he could have an alternative route. There is an alternative route. Yes, it's going to cost money because Rouse's septic tank dug the back pit so close to the 30 foot setback that's going to cave back. It's 20 25t deep probably and it's going to cave, but it can be done. Sad thing is that Dana goes to put her grandkids or her kids these two lots here and wants to have a home for them. They're going to be in the same situation as they are.

So it's kind of like takes away the family ordeal and all of a sudden this becomes a a business that the whole family thing is just shot out the door because nobody's going to want to live there. So the whole purpose that we say that was for homes and stuff is just shot out the door because I'm not asking for Donnie to fail. There can be reasonable solutions to making the route of the his trucks go by. I've sat there in my house and watched multiple ones go by the noise. Yes. Listen, there's concrete pile up there right now that I know he's going to crush and he's selling it. The bad thing is he's saying he's landscaping, but it is becoming an industrial or more of a a business like where you're selling heavy equipment and stuff or materials that's actually causing more and more stuff. He started as a small landscaper. He's grown, which is reasonable. Everybody's going to grow and hope they grow and succeed, but the thing is it's just going to continue to get bigger and bigger. It's going to cause more issues. I just asked you guys to be honest on your um and ladies to be honest on your opinion and what your thoughts process is on how your voting is. I wish the best for everybody and I just it's sad that we're here as a family to discuss this not just neighbors. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else?

Hi, my name is Anna Skinner. Um I live at 207 Hunter Creek Road. I'm a friend of Miss Dana. I've been knowing her for 12 years or 10. Um, and I'm here just to speak on her character. I know that they have portrayed her as being selfish and mean, but Miss Dana, she's a um, special needs teacher. She's been working with school for the past 15 years. So, she has a heart of gold. And like the speaker before me has said, it is sad that the family has to come to this. I have visited Miss Dana numerous time at her home and um and it's crazy. It's like a person that works in a school system with special needs. It's not the best job, but if you have a heart to work with children, she has that heart and she needs to be able to come home and relax and just like soak in her oasis. And right now, she doesn't have that. I've been at her home and it is just crazy. So, I just plead with you guys and I've been praying over this situation that you guys may come to a solution where both parties can just find a place where they can um both be happy. But um like she said, I hope that they do find a solution where if he is going to get approved, he can do the other road where it's not going to go right through Miss Dana because um um it wouldn't it would affect her greatly. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Is there anyone else?

Hello, I'm Casey Cook. I live at 203 Lenor Street in Newport. Um I am a friend of Dana's. Um Dana has no opposition to land being used for work. That is not what this about this is about. And to suggest that is dishonest. This would not be happening if the applicant would have um made the changes that Dana requested before this issue was even brought to the county. She tried to meet with him before this issue was even brought to the county on numerous occasions and was not treated with respect. The actual activities on the land are more industrial than landscaping. I've been out there uh numerous times. These industrial activities do not begin did not begin until last year. It has not always been this way. Dana had no problem when it was a landscaping business, but the industrial level activities started last year. There are 10 trips a day past Dana's house of industrial dump trucks. There's beeping, dumping, and loading rock crushing concrete. You heard it. You heard it already. It wouldn't be right to run all those trucks by a six-year-old. But what if Dana has grandchildren? What if her kids want to live on the land that their grandfa great-grandfather left them? Dana has real health issues that are truly threatened by this industrial level activity. That's not a lie. This industrial level activity started last year. Before that, there was no problem because it was just a landscaping business. Would you like an industrial site to just pop up across the street from your house with all that noise and all that dust? It is not appropriate to have an industrial level business at the end of a dead-end road. The limited transition

classification, which is what they're in in the future land use map, is intended predominantly for residential use. Some industrial healthc care institutional development does occur in those areas, but with the majority located along a major highway. This industrial level activity is at the end of a dead-end road that runs right by her house. This will lead to major lawsuits and other residential residents in the future. Residents who actually have money to sue the county. This has not been hit. This the business has not been paying business property taxes all this time because the resoning was never asked for when the business began. Zoning board the zoning board approved saying that there were a number of properties zoned industrial or business in this area. That is not the case. There are only two lots that are zoned either B1 or that and the the pit which is IW. The pit is not an industrial activity. It is just a pit. There's no dump trucks running there every day. Within two square miles, there are no other. It's all residential. It's just all residential except for those two lots. Everything out there is residential. This industrial level activity is not consistent with the surrounding area. There are reasonable costs associ associated with doing business. That operation can afford um getting access by a different route and moving the rock so it's not making all that noise right by Dana's house. Thank you very much for letting me speak.

Thank you. Is there anyone else?

Good evening, ladies and gents. My name is Dr. Richard Skinner. I live in Mazeville, North Carolina. Actually, Stella, North Carolina, but got to Mazeville because we're I'm like 500 feet from Jones County line. Uh, as a disaster response chap and assistant manager over 48 hospice agencies through North Carolina and South Carolina, I speak against the resoning. Um, uh, I know Miss Dana for about 10 years now and, um, she is her first responder dealing with special needs kids. If you ever never work with special needs kids, it takes a special person to work with them. And any first responder and then our debriefing with police officers, firefighters, and other things like that as a disaster response chap, we always look at the facts. So, let's look at the facts tonight. I'm going I tell my staff of my 48 hospice agencies that let's look at facts and if you got a problem, let's look at the problem and give me a solution to the problem. So, I'm going to try to do that for you for the short time I have. Is that okay? So, let's look at the problems. One, he is violation of the law. The zoning board did you an injustice by dropping this on your plate by not doing their homework. That was a very bad injustice. Donnie has been cited twice by the zoning board for violation of the law. On top of that, if Miss Dana loses tonight, Miss Dana has other options on her plate. And I highly re My heart's sad. My heart's sad because I'm seeing two families being tore apart. The options that Miss Dana has, one, she can appeal y'all's decision into the court system. That's going to take some time, but she can appeal that decision. The other option she has, she can sue Donnie, his business, because she's going to take a valuable loss. Her property value is going to drop over $33,000. Then she paid for surveys to be done, which she needs recruit from that. She's got lawyer fees. So Donniey's going to

wind up paying for money one way or another because when she sues him, not only does she sue him, but she also has the right to uh apply all the zoning board planning commissioners to that lawsuit. And I'm not saying this to offend no one. Please don't take it that way. I'm just trying to lay facts out. She also can y'all's name to that lawsuit. And I don't want the county uh lawyer to get involved with this, but we don't want to get our taxpayers money tied up into court systems like this. So my solution to this whole problem is Donny's going to have to pay money one way or another. He's either going have to pay money to either move the road and that's probably not going to happen or he's going to have to pay money to buy property somewhere else to move his business to try to solve this problem. That's that would be the solution to to purchase a piece of property somewhere in the commercial area to to move his business to solve that problem. And it's really sad that we really come to this situation where a situation's tearing two families completely apart. My heart my heart breaks. My heart breaks for the families. My heart breaks for Miss Dana. Uh because as a dealing with first responders, they need that area where they can unwind. They can recharge their batteries. And she cannot do that. You cannot do that next to industrial property. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Is there anyone else? No, we probably don't need to do that. If not, it's going to have to ruffle with everybody else. Everybody else. Okay. Is there anyone else? Anybody in the next room? Any questions from the board? Motion to go out of public hearing. We're still gonna be able to ask questions. We can ask We can ask how we want to.

Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield to go out of public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Clark. All in favor? All right. Questions or comments from the board? Matt, are there a reasonable u way this can be worked out that you know of? I'm talking about far of property as I'm realize what's going on. We've got families just busted all the pieces here for for situation and are there any other rightways that can be in those areas? So similar discussion was held during planning commission and and I understand the point you're trying to get to. Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder with it though. So because Mr. Bryan already came with his application to limit or put conditions on the resoning to try to give, you know, you all in the community comfort that there wouldn't be any else. Any revision to those conditions would be up to the applicant, not necessarily up to us. So, if he wanted to offer any other conditions about rerouting access or whatever, but um I mean he would have to just based on where the property is located, he would have to get agreements from multiple property owners to do any other route.

Commissioner, more conditional use conditions, as Matt is saying, have to be approved in writing by the applicant and then they apply to the land. So, it's not something that we can just have a negotiation in the middle of a board of commissioners meeting and add to it. What about uh I guess that's the south side of the pit. If you come down Pete Road and what if you turned left and went on that side of the pit, it looks like there's a road already there going up to the property in the red box like coming along there. That's well the people in the back that's somebody else's land also. Correct.

We can't require a man to go against a go across a piece of property that he don't own. So halfway right. Okay. Is that a viable option to come in on this on the highway 24 side of the pond and going around to Donny's house and which would eliminate the traffic on Pete Road. I'm assuming Pete Road goes up and makes a left. Yes, sir. Okay. Pete Road follow right here cuts. Right. So, if you come down Pete Road and take a left and go in front of the pond and go that way, it look I mean it looks like there's nothing there. Looks like there's a road there. Is that

is that an option or not an option? Not an option.

Can I talk about how I'm going to get my property? We're out public. Well, I would defer to the applicant to answer any other Sure. Sure. I got a lot of questions and I want somebody to be able to answer them. So, the applicant speaks. Donnie, come on up. And I got some questions of Miss Tucker. uh she had some additional things she'd like to see done. So So you can't go on this side of the pit. What about on the back side? Can we bring that drawing down a little bit so we can you you request this? Yes. That looks like the simple that is a road.

Yeah. Shannon owns the better part of that. Looks like Shannon says it's okay. We can go in and out that way. Okay. But looks like you own part of it there in the lefthand corner. I own a little bit of that road to there.

Okay. If we filled in this whole pit, that may be realistic. That That's not mine. That's not my decision. It probably is possible. My dream, and I I speak with this lady as frequent as possible, is to get this land that goes all the way to Highway 24. I'm trying my best. I I don't want to bother anybody in the neighborhood. That is to be honest that is my most realistic solution to the problem that the access to my property that gives me access don't I don't bother anybody going there all the way to 24 that that's the most realistic option but still I'm have I would have to rely on the owner to sell to Okay.

No, no, no, no. There's no response back. It's it's our questions to him. You we we're only the dollar between the board. Now, Mr. Bryant, will you answer a question for me? So, to the the northwest of your corner of the property, the outside red line right by your finger, that's Southeast Industrial, correct? So, I mean, there is another industrial piece of property there other than that pit. At the planning meeting, they had a map up with the zoning That that would be excellent. It's B1. Yeah, it's B1. So there there there are other properties surrounding there that are zoned in that similar classification

because you're you're you're requesting B1. You're requesting B1 conditional if I read in the packet correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Just whatever I need to remain a landscape. Just want to make sure I understood. I heard something earlier that was conflicting with that. All right. No, he's gonna ask you some questions in a minute. You can interject, but not not out of the audience. All right. Stand by. Donnie, Miss Tucker, what were you mentioned that you had some extra provisions that you would like to see imposed? Could you repeat those for me? Yeah, actually the microphone.

Well, the main one was um an alternate route. Um I do want to out that is B1, but that is accessed by a main highway road. I I am I'm I'm responding to your last speaker who's throwing out legal allegations that that zone B1 and he's talking about spot zone. Okay. So, that would not be consistent with spot zoning.

Um and then the second one was um for him to move his piles of rock here where the loading and unloading go on um more the center or over here near the woods where you know it's not going to impact residential um areas and then um I mean I've got it written out. I can read them again if you'd like. But um on the property should be only for his landscaping jobs, not stockpiled or sold to other landscapers or the public.

Um once that happens, it turns into a supply yard. I had noted over 15 businesses coming past my home. So, it wasn't just Donniey's traffic that was bothersome. It was the traffic getting to his home. And then deliveries um 8 to 6 Monday through Saturday and then limit truck sizes um to no more than six axles. Was cutting grass this summer and looked up and 18 will right there. Um and then a six foot privacy fence in addition to a 15oot vegetative buffer and then five foot tall trees at planning and then signage to the new access and then time being the priority completed within one 120 days and I'm happy to give this to whoever

yeah let the Mr. Brian, I see here on the map uh the colorized map that there already is a vegetative screen proposed. It's handdrawn uh and that is going to be 10 foot off the property line. Can you give us a description of what that might look like?

Yeah, I told Dana before I was notified this I I'll move, you know, I'm going to move the rock. I'm going to have to move the rock. I implied that to her. We've had three very civilized conversations. Um, so yes, the rock and and I seen her point. I didn't consider it. Keep in mind I lost 30 ft of what I thought was mine. It was not. So if it was there now, it was 30 or 40 foot off the line, but we didn't know where the line was.

Um, but the strain, I've got the plants in I have them in in my possession. They are about four and a half tall. for this most sensitive area I'm putting I've got the dirt there now I've been kind of waiting to see what y'all going to make me do there's been some equipment there because I'm prepping to move the bins are empty they are moving about how wide would that vegetative screen be um at maturity

at maturity and what I was my next question is going to be height at maturity Okay. Uh 20. They're Oakland Highlands. Got them last week. They will turn around at 20 foot tall and they're I think they get eight to 12t wide. Thank you. That was spacing them about four to five apart.

Say something again. You you don't unless we call on you. Okay. Well, it was regarding the papered. What's that? Regarding what I just some of the conditions you were just asking. All right. I'll I'll ask you to come back up. Tell Tell me what you want to tell them.

Um I don't have my paper now, but um the first one Thank you. I did want to know, I mean, I do appreciate y'all asking about how we could make this better. Um, if we could go back to that, well, and we may not need to, but for me, first and most critically is the new easement. Like, you can what it like you can put makeup on a pig, it's still a pig. I mean, those trucks going back and forth between my parcels of land is just too much. It's just got he has outrown the space. It's just not the place for it. And um sorry. So, I mean, I wish him well. I've told him that a million times. Just can you just go just behind or I mean you got all that dirt and that you own that equipment and backho and you own stuff to make roads. You know that that's what our family does. Like can you please just move behind my home? And I hear about the six-year-old but it goes there anyway. Um, I'm just trying to fight for my family's heritage so they can grow up there and not just one just I mean I'm glad that he's done well and I've told him a million times it's not personal. I mean I love him. I'm mad but I love him. I love all of them, but it's just the land was for our family to live there

and I'm not able to do that peacefully any longer. Thank you. Sorry. Unfortunately, we can't require a man to go across somebody else's property, but you can require him to follow the law. And if someone were coming to apply right now for what is there, I cannot in my heart believe that would be approved. That's why it's a conditional use. Putting a lot of conditions on it. What are the laws for? I would ask what are the laws for? Because he didn't. She doesn't get to ask the board of commissioners questions. So, but it's it's an ordinance. It's not a law though. Correct. Correct. That's correct.

Clarification. I just want to make sure I'm understanding that correct. An ordinance is a local law, but I have no idea. I've seen I don't know what we're talking about with any ordinance that's been broken. So,

so I'm I'm new to this and I have been studying it since it's been potentially coming to the board. So, I just want to get some things out and ask you a question. actually. Um I'm really sorry that we're having to get involved in a family issue and I've been in the area since 1980 and I've known the Rouse property coming back and forth from Emerald Isle to Morhead City to go to high school. So I clearly know enough to be dangerous about the Rouse and and the family. I really want to see this come to a win-win if at all possible because I do side on the side of business. I am glad that we have business in Carter County. I am glad that you're employing people here. I and I know I know the landscape business and I could there's plenty of business to go around. My question to you is, is it true that you've probably expanded your offerings as a landscape business in the last year to exceed beyond what a normal landscaping business is or is expected to be. And without ruling against you and telling you you have to take your business somewhere else, is there a way that you could take a few steps back and consider limiting the extent of your business if it has had mission creep? Using my Marine Corps background, mission creep because things are going well. things

are going well. Things are going well. And then you've just added this extra offering or extra thing in your business that maybe you could reconsider and maybe back off and become possibly compliant again. So that you're not never going to be compliant because it's residential and you're running a business. But if we people have said in this room that maybe things have accelerated in the last year. So give me your feelings about maybe the extent of your business on the property.

We do a lot of different things probably unlike some landscapers. We you know we we do have some bulk concrete that gets CR. We We have two small dump trucks and two two big bigger dump trucks, not 18 wheelers. Um I'm trying to really zone in on your question. Are you doing more than a landscape? I'm not doing um we're a unique landscaper. I mean, there's others like me. I mean, uh Okay, that's fine. That's all I needed to hear. Thank you.

Anyone else? Matt, can you take the mic? What are the conditions that are placed uh going from B or uh residential was it R15 to B1 conditional use? So the conditions that are offered by the applicant are operation of a landscape business, contractor storage yard to support the landscaping business and office space to support the landscaping business. So excuse me. In those conditions, Mr. Bryant just indicated what he was planning for a buffer. I don't recall what sort of trees vegetation.

Yeah, it's a buffer that is that are they spelled out in those conditions? It doesn't need to be part of the conditions because that's part of our normal code that anytime a business owned property is next to a residentially zoned property, a buffer is required. Okay. Thank you. Zony's going to require that as part of his Yes, sir. to conduct business there. Yes, sir. Yeah. Was that he go beyond? You can't speak. That's what I was getting at. I wanted you to say, do you have those right in front of you? what those conditions are a so many foot vegetated buffer or a six-foot fence or both. So the other

the buffer is not technically one of the conditions because it is already part of the code. The buffer allows the planning department to have a little bit of flexibility. So the general goal is kind of what Mr. Brian already described. You want your tall evergreens and your short evergreens so that it at growth blocks visibility and ideally noise through it all. It gives a planning department some flexibility because sites are different. So there's some cases where the type of vegetation may need to be an evergreen grass versus a tree versus some other stuff. So it's something that's worked out during the site plan process.

But they don't he doesn't technically need to offer it as a condition because it's already going to be required if the zoning is approved. Okay. Any questions from anyone else? you have a question?

I'd just like to make another comment just because of some comments that have been made in the public comment tonight. So, this this is not unprecedented. The property down um next to the subdivision that goes in by the Waves convenience store, Coastal Equipment came back and there was a residential lot on the corner there that was converted to B1 conditional use. Across the street from there, there's a lot that was converted to boat storage with conditional use with other conditions on it next to the IGA. At some point in time, way prior to that, when the Christian bookstore, I mean the Florence business, the Christian bookstore was sold, people went across the street, bought a lot, and built a building and it's commercial. It operates there. And then there's a coin business between Mr. Rouse's property there on 24 also. So, there are commercial properties in there operating businesses within residential neighborhoods. Um, just for the record, based means we're getting threats about being sued.

Yeah, I don't like threats. Uh, I'm going to make a comment, several comments, and then I'm going to call for the vote. So, everybody got their questions in? I got one more, just a quick comment. So, go right ahead. In the in the zoning, what does IW stand for? uh industrial and warehouse.

Okay. So, this is just a point of clarification as well. One of don't recall who, but one of the speakers mentioned uh and it's probably relevant, but mentioned that there's no industrial around this area. Well, clearly there is those two in the in the pit there, the uh Mr. Mr. Rouse's property. Is that not is that not industrial zoning? That is industrial zoning. Yes sir. I was just just a point of clarification. So there is industrial zoning against that property. I just probably irrelevant but just wanted to make that clarification. Thank you.

Okay. What year did Mr. Rouse start that business? About 1970. 1970.

Okay. In about 1985, the county zoned Highway 24 according to my research. And there was three types of zoning. Residential, residential business, and business. Probably whoever zoned this just there was a lot of sporadic business out there. A lot of nothing in between the businesses and the homes back in that era. It probably should have been zoned residential business because Mr. Rouse was operating a sept the tank business and dirt hauling business. I feel like that's pretty accurate. So maybe it was the county whoever was in charge of zoning at the time maybe didn't get it in the right class. If they had have you probably wouldn't be here tonight. Uh the Rouse family, excellent family. The Lewis family, excellent family. Nobody needs to be uh talked about people's character or uh we know both sides are of impeccable character. Um but the the Rouse family has been operating a business set tank hauling dirt uh land clearing business for as long as I can remember. And I equate it to something like a farmer. A farmer usually has his house here and his barns behind him and his equipment and his fields and all that. And I don't know what that lady's name was. The white-headed lady that was out in Rouse's mama's name that used to cook in that garage.

Dver. I don't know what she would say if she was here, but she used to have some really good smelling food on about when I would stop in there and deliver to Outton Rouse and Billy Rouse and back in the day. Uh if she was here, it probably would not be going on. But in my opinion, it's been uh people's had houses there, they've had their businesses there, and they've all got along good. And I don't know what what uh made it go sideways within the family, but uh we we cannot instruct him to go across somebody else's property. Um what we what we're tasked with tonight is try to get him in compliance as best we can. Kind of a after the fact thing. Uh that's why it's a conditional use and we're placing all these conditions on him. He can't operate a nightclub there. they can't operate all those businesses that are seen as unfit. So, it's it's zeroed in on a conditional use. And that's that's the best the county can do when they come across uh situations like this. Just like the gentleman uh mentioned about Stargazer Lane, that gentleman was brought before the planning board and this board and he was directed to go back and that case is still in the process of being a conditional use once he found out he was out of compliance. So, that's where we're at. So, there's a lot of things that were spoken about tonight that we don't have control over. What we do have control over is this particular piece of property. So, without further ado, if anyone has anything else to say, we entertain a motion.

I'd like to make a motion uh to approve the proposal to subdivide a parcel into two tracks. Track one, 2.601 acres to remain R15M. Track 2 3.556 acres to be reszoned from R15M to B1 CZ general business conditional zoning. Motion by Commissioner Clark. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Commissioner Shen. Is there any more discussion? All in favor? Zoning's approved. Matt, is there a motion to read a plan and consistency statement?

So moved. Motion by Commissioner Quinn. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Commissioner Clark. Matt, would you read that statement? Yes, sir. So as proposed by the planning commission, it is consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the Camel Lane use plan because it is consistent with the surrounding properties and uses and it is reasonable and in the public interest because there's a history of mixture of homes and businesses in operation in the area. Thank you, Matt. We have we need a vote on that. All in favor of plan the consistency. All right. Thank you, Matt. My pleasure, sir.

Next is a manager's report. Madame manager.

Thank you. And good evening, everybody. I'll try to move along quickly since we've been here for a little bit. Um, early voting is now underway for residents living in municipalities. We have three locations. the board of elections in Boofer, Fort Benjamin Park in Newport, and Western Park in Cedar Point. And these are open 8 am to 6 pm Monday through Friday and 8:00 a.m. 3:00 p.m. on Saturday, November 1st. And election day is November 4th. We would like to thank all of our election staff and our precinct officials um for their hard work. In addition, um we're very happy to announce that at the North Carolina Public Health Association conference, we're very pleased that our Carter County Health Department was named the North Carolina Health Department of the Year and we will be recognizing staff at our next meeting. Um this is to recognize them for their hard work in protecting the public and in the leadership and overdose pre prevention. we have prevented um or had a reduction of 69% in overdoses over the last two years, which is really amazing. And we congratulate Dr. Williams, Nina Oliver, Jesse Dale, Brook Lane, and the entire staff at the health department. Um and finally, just a couple of dates. Um our next Coastal Coalition meetings coming up, November 5th. Saturday, November 8th, is our wonderful Veterans Day parade in downtown Morhead City at 11 o'clock am. And November 11th, county offices will be closed in observance of Veterans Day. And we do thank all of our veterans for their service. And that's all I have for this evening.

Thank you, ma'am. Next on the agenda is board appointments. The first one is the Consolidated Human Services Board, Mr. Scott Cobb, reappointment to a four-year term. All in favor, Mr. Cobb. Next one is the Marine Fishery Advisory Board, Mr. Jess Hawkins, a reappointment to a three-year term. All in favor, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to add on the um for the peer recovery center board. Um the seat is vacant. Um nominate Mr. Tristan Thomas.

Excellent. All in favor of Mr. Thomas for the peer recovery board. Eyes have it. Next is commissioner comment. Commissioner Waldruff, we'll start with you.

Thank everybody for coming. Appreciate everybody uh having a say, having a voice. This was a hard one. Um kind of sucked the life out of me. So hard decision. That's why we get paid no bucks to be up here to to hear the to hear what's right here in our county. Um, happy Veterans Day um to all our veterans. Uh, I being one of them, but if you can get out to the parade on the 8th of November. Um, it was a real happy event last year and uh, happy Halloween and I appreciate that. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you, Commissioner Waldrip. Commissioner Moore,

I too. Uh when it comes to the night, uh this was a hard one and u when it comes to seeing two families uh torn between like they they are, it's just sad and um not be able to come up to a solution of whatever and puts the situation on us. And uh it was just hard. And uh, of course, we have our our planning boards and every everybody in place to get us where we're at when they come in and approve everything. Uh, you know, it kind of puts the situation. Why have we got the planning boards for if we don't follow those? And that's kind of where I was at with with this. But, uh, I just hope that somewhere that, uh, these families can can get things straight and, uh, pull this together and and, uh, there's a lot, you know, a lot could be done and and helped out when it comes to this situation to get these families back straight with this. Uh, Halloween's coming up. I just ask everyone for their safety. Be careful with the kids when they're out on the streets. Make sure they're visible and u, and taken care of. keep your eyes on that s. Turn it back over to you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Commissioner Moore. Commissioner Quinn.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just echo my previous two commissioners comments. This is the hardest part of this job. Um it's not just governance, it's when families are involved, it makes it a very difficult decision and and and not everybody's going to leave happy. Um and that's and that's an unfortunate situation. And again, uh hope the best for both of these families uh that are involved. Um, like uh our manager said, congratulations to the health department for being named the health department of the year by the North Carolina Public Health Association. Um, I'm wearing pink tonight and recognition of uh breast cancer awareness month. It's a it's a time to raise awareness about this horrible disease and the people that are affected by it on a daily basis to support those who are affected and to promote early detection through regular screenings and through education. Um and then also with our municipal elections coming up November 4th, please go out and vote. This is a off cycle. You know, there's no national uh ticket no national votes on the ballot. turnout is horribly low. Usually around 20%. 20% of the eligible voters come out for these offyear 2025 in this case municipal elections. And so take this into regard. Turnout's low. So that means your vote counts more. Your votes going to carry more weight. So getting out and voting is going to not just strengthen the health of our democracy, but also ensures that our community's priorities are represented. Uh, and I'm going to close uh by mentioning that Atlanta Beach today proclaimed October 20th as Stevie Levy Day.

And uh that is today in honor of Stevie. He's not doing well. I'm not sure about how many other board members know he's in the hospital. Um he's the original Uber. Uh is Stevie Levy and uh I've ridden many a mile with him and I suspect some of y'all here have too. Probably scared to death when you're riding with I thought he was going to run me into death, but come on, boss man. Come on, boss man. He's trying to play with the radio.

He's a self-proclaimed dancing fool. The Stevie Levy Shuffle, if you've never heard it, was written in his honor by several of our local beach music bands. He was a fixture here in our county for many, many years. Lived next door to my grandma for over 20 years. A heart of gold. And so I I'll just say Shamal Lama steamboat. Shalama showboat. Stevie Ley. Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner Quinn. Commissioner Clark. Thank you, Chairman. In interest of brevity and for everyone's time, I will defer my speech until next time.

Thank you, Commissioner Shen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I'll be brief as well. Um, I appreciate all the statements and comments and uh the uh that were made this evening and and it's it is hard decision to make and you're not going to always make everybody happy. Somebody's be mad, some be happy. Uh but I feel like uh uh in the grand scheme I think we did the right thing. Um you only have so many so many real items that you can weigh when you make these decisions. So I think we we we focused on that and made decisions we had to. So um congratulations to the health department's uh state level award. Right. Yes. So you're doing a great job over there. A lot of hardworking individuals. Uh I know I pay a lot of attention to the uh the opium opioid program over there uh quite a bit and uh so congratulations to them. Uh as the other commissioners have mentioned uh early voting is going on. Um please please please get out if you live in a municipality. If you live if you pay city taxes you can vote this time. Any municipality you can pay that you can vote. So, please get out and and exercise your your right uh your duty to do that. One other note on that. On election day, if you live in Newport 1, you would typically go to St. James to vote. That's not going to be open this year. Your voting will remain at Fort Benjamin, the Wildwood uh voting precinct. So, uh a lot of people, it never never fails. There's a lot of confusion uh on on on voting day. We get people in Newport that come from the Waldwood precinct or come from God knows where, but they're, you know, they they get confused. So anyway,

times up, bro. I'm done. Thank you, ma'am. I'm the only one who gets a beat during these meetings. I swear I didn't pay. I will. One last thing quick. Uh uh hope everyone has a safe and safe holiday. Um, pardon. Halloween. Halloween. Yeah, that's where I was going at. That's your alarm. But if you want to make sure you have a safe Halloween, come to Newport. Go to the Hoot Nanny. It's all in the ball field. It's safe. Everything's free. Food, drinks, games, bring the kids. Every it's well attended. They'll have a great time. That's all I got. I'm done.

Thank you, Commissioner Shen. Vice Chairman Mansfield. I was kind of along last meeting. I'm follow my uh Commissioner Clark. Are you feeling all right?

All right. Well, that's unusual. You didn't have anything to say, but uh I'll be brief. Certainly, that was tough tonight. And I know the Ralph family and the Bryant family and the Tucker family, all great folks. And uh was hoping there'd be an alternative route. Uh but we can't force somebody to go against somebody go across somebody else's property. And there's a letter of the law and there's a spirit of the law. That property was developed in the spirit of law. Everybody working in the dirt business and set the tank business and I think the elder rouses would want that to continue. Uh Veterans Day, we have our two veterans here on the board. Colonel Maryanne Wal,

are you were you a private private uh private Clark? Corporal Clark, thank you for your service. Uh dedication to our country. Uh as uh others mentioned, Halloween's coming up. Everybody be safe. And Commissioner Quinn mentioned about Stevie Levy. I paid him to pick me up way down east uh in Sea Level headed to Morehead to a function. And about Ralph Thomas' farm there. He was trying to adjust the radio and trying to steer. I said, "Hold on a minute." I said, "I'll get the radio. You just hold the wheel. Keep her keeper between the lines there."

You mean he didn't play his cassette tape? and he was he was a got a stuttering and to say something he was trying to get a different song but uh Steve is a great guy and always jolly whenever you saw him uh anywhere in town and uh certainly our prayers with him as his health is not not the best in the world so if there's nothing else come before the board tonight I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn second motion by vice chairman Mansfield second by commissioner Clark all in favor thank you all for